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A video grab purportedly shows an attack on Shia passengers on their way to Gilgit-Baltistan. It remains unconfirmed whether the video is from the August 16 incident or April 3. – Video grab from YouTube
A video grab purportedly shows an attack on Shia passengers on their way to Gilgit-Baltistan. It remains unconfirmed whether the video is from the August 16 incident or April 3. – Video grab from YouTube

“It must have been early morning when about two dozen masked men, in army uniforms, stopped their convoy of buses. All passengers were asked to get down. In an organised manner they separated the Shias from among the rest and having ascertained their identity (through their names and the area they belonged to), shot them dead,” said Hussain (real named withheld on request), who belongs to a village in the Astore district of Gilgit-Baltistan (G-B).

Twenty-four people (21 Shias and three Sunnis) in aboard three buses, who had embarked on fateful that August 15 morning, from Rawalpindi, never reached their destination in G-B (a Shia-majority region), after their buses were intercepted near Lulusar area in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) province on Aug 16, where they were mercilessly massacred.

Among them, 12 were from Astore and six were Hussain’s close relatives from the same village.

Two family members, somehow, survived to tell the sordid episode. “They saw their cousins die in front of them,” he said.

During the massacre, said Hussain, the masked men asked the passengers to loudly chant “Allah-o-Akbar” (God is Great) and “kafir, kafir, Shia kafir (infidels, infidels, Shia infidels)”. He belongs to the Shia sect although 90 per cent of the villagers were Sunnis.

A shaky and grainy video doing the rounds on the internet shows the incident exactly as Hussain described to Dawn.com.

Muhammad Afridi, of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, associated earlier with the anti-Shia militant outfit Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), stated the killings were in retaliation for ‘excesses’ committed by Shias against Sunnis in G-B. He warned that more such attacks would be carried out in other parts of the country.

After the incident hundreds remained stranded in the twin cities of Islamabad and Rawalpindi, after public and private transport for the region was suspended.

This is the third such incident since the beginning of the year. On February 28, and then again on April 3, 18 and nine Shia passengers were dragged out of the buses in a similar manner in northern district of Kohistan, and Chilas, 60 miles from Gilgit, respectively.

Political analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi finding a “growing trend of Islamic sectarianism” predicts that with Pakistan’s rapid shift towards religious orthodoxy in Islam, “sectarian thinking” is likely to dominate.

Pakistan has recorded at least 2,642 sectarian attacks, killing 3,963 people since 1989, according to the South Asia Terrorism Portal (SATP) database.

Balochistan, said the SATP has witnessed at least 71 incidents of sectarian attacks in which 304 persons have been killed since 2009. Over 90 people have already been killed in 34 such incidents since the beginning of 2012 until August 19.

Earlier Interior Minister Rehman Malik, hinted at “foreign” hands fanning sectarianism in Pakistan to destabilise the country and promote religious hatred.

Dismissing Malik’s statement, Dr Mohammad Taqi, said it is Pakistan’s own domestic policy of using jihad as a tool which has “led to the tail wagging the dog.”

Talking to Dawn.com, Taqi, who left Pakistan for the United States in 1996 “anticipating the disaster we are facing” added that the intolerance and extremism Pakistan is in grips with is a “direct consequence of Pakistan’s neighbour-phobic national identity anchored in religious ideology”.

Hussain from Astore called the massacre nothing short of genocide against the Shias.

“If this isn’t genocide, what is?” exclaimed Hussain. “What’s worse we were advised by elders in our village, that we shouldn’t agitate as it may fuel riots,” he said.

Finding the “studious silence of the Shia massacre by the Sunni majority” disquieting, Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy, a peace activist and an academician told Dawn.com: “Describing the killings as sectarian is outrageous because a conflict assumes two warring sides. But in fact here there is just one side – the Shias – which is being massacred.”

“Pakistan was conceived in haste with just one goal in mind – Muslims must be separated from Hindus, and then somehow all Muslims will live together in bliss. Zero thought was given to what happens when religious fervour is aroused,” said Hoodbhoy retracing the partition of the sub-continent in 1947 when India and Pakistan became two separate nations.

The pre-independence writings by Wahabbi, Deobandi and Ahle-Hadees hardliners, added Rizvi, show discord between Shias and Sunnis existed even then.

“The division always existed but sectarianism gained momentum in the 1980s (during military dictator General Zia ul Haq’s 11-year rule) when Pakistani state began to implement and promote religious orthodoxy and conservatism,” he said.

Today, the country is more fragmented than ever before and Hoodbhoy blamed the rise in extremism to the “overdose of religion given to young Pakistanis”.

Citing the recent Washington DC-based Pew Research Centre’s survey which found 50 per cent of Sunnis in Pakistan believe Shias to be non-Muslims, Hoodbhoy warned this may result in “bitter religious wars”.

Eighty-three per cent of Sunnis in Afghanistan, contrary to only 50 per cent in Pakistan, accept Shias as Muslims. Even in Bangladesh, which split before General Zia ul Haq’s regime took control of Pakistan, 77 per cent of Sunnis believe Shias are Muslims.

“For now the Shia’s are feeling the brunt, along with the Ahmadis, but tomorrow it will be one Sunni faction butchering another,” warned Hoodbhoy.

Finding the politicians, the government and even the army incapacitated, many like Hussain say: “When the state can’t protect itself, how can we expect or have the confidence in these institutions to protect us?”

“The federal government is too bogged down in its survival,” agreed Rizvi. And when the attackers get away with their crime so easily, it encourages them to repeat it while it gives others the impetus to do the same, he said.

With the breakdown of the state authority, hardline Islamic groups like Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan and allies like the former SSP and Jaish-e-Muhammad can pursue their narrow religious-political agenda more boldly, said Rizvi.

With foreboding he said: “These trends are expected to continue. The frequency of killings will vary from time to time but it is not expected to end in the near future.”

Meanwhile there are reports that all government and private schools in G-B have been closed down for an indefinite period after Taliban announced attacks on Shia schools in Gilgit.

“Instead of making a strong policy against terrorists, government and security authorities seem to have bowed down to the threats of the terrorists,” it was reported in the Shiite News.

The author is a freelance journalist.


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Akhter Husain
Aug 28, 2012 06:48am
The killers are not Sunnis.Were they ,they would have followed . our prophet not Pharaoh of ancient Egypt
Nasir
Aug 27, 2012 05:10pm
Shame on those people who carried out these act in the name of Islam. Do they not know that Islam is the religion of Allah and he has promised to preserve it. If "they" are so pious, they need to clean their own act. Where does it say killing is justified? If someone is doing shirk, let Allah judge it! Who are "they" to be judge and executioner?
karim
Aug 28, 2012 01:40pm
Spreading more lies to continue your violence ?
Adnan
Aug 27, 2012 05:02pm
May Allah guide you my friend
Danish Ali Dahraj
Aug 28, 2012 06:56am
ALLAH (SWT) forbids Muslims to divide into sects, refer to the following verses: (6:159) and (30:31-32) of The Holy Qu'ran. Hon'ble Rasul Allah (S.A.W.) and Hon'ble Imam and Caliph Ali (A.s. R.a.) too condemned sectarian divide among Muslims.
MMS
Aug 28, 2012 12:22am
Can some one explain to me why the heads of the banned outfits are not arrested and prosecuted. Why does the CJ not punish those who are responsible. Every time they are apprehended and brought before the court they are allowed to leave, only because the court states there is not enough evidence to keep them. I do not understand what evidence is required when the police have clearly stated who are responsible and bring forth the evidence. It seems that the judiciary has the courage and capacity to enforce the writ to write a letter, but does not have the capacity or courage to arrest any leader involved in murder because of fear. I will make it very clear at this time, and I will always say 'I told you so'. A day will come when the shia will say enough is enough and a blood bath will follow. At that time do not blame the shia. It is the short comming of todays judiciary which will create this blood bath tomorrow.
A Sunni
Aug 28, 2012 12:08am
this is all propoganda, thousands of sunnis has been killed in the last few years.
Mehdi
Aug 28, 2012 06:33am
Komal, come down to Pakistani cities, or atleast read the local dailies. I am sure your questions will be answered.
hassan
Aug 28, 2012 02:48pm
With due respect not preaching your religion is only due to you not completely understanding it.
Raoul Ciao
Aug 27, 2012 01:12pm
Pakistan has a majority who believe they and only they, are Muslims.....the rest need to be at the least rejected and kept as second class citizens, or better still, removed from the face of pakistan as they are insulting the true Muslims and so on. Pakistan is niw a nation in denial which is slowly imploding with the non Sunnis, including minorities, all deciding this is now a nation which needs to be given up and got away from. I hope they get asylum soon, elsewhere. Hopefully in Iran or India or tajikistan or even Afghanistan. China and Russia may not be able t help them tho'.
Majority
Aug 28, 2012 08:18am
Wake up! The Shias abroad are organising protests. From NYC in the US to Haubrg in Germany to the alleys of Adelaide in Australia....where do you live.
pathanoo
Aug 30, 2012 04:20pm
I am sure you would NOT publish this comment of mine as you did not when I wrote it a couple days back. Give it one more try. REMOVE ISLAM FROM ALL THE GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS, SCHOOLS AND ANY GOVERNMENT RELATED DOCUMENTS. REMOVE "BLASPHEMY LAWS." OR STAY THE COURSE TO HELL. FAITH IS BETWEEN THE BELIEVER AND HIS MAKER. NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY BUSINESS INTERFERING WITH IT. NOTHING AGAINST ISLAM. IT IS THE RELIGION OF ONE FIFTH OF HUMANITY.
omer
Aug 28, 2012 05:31am
YOU ARE NOT FROM KARACHI I AM SURE!
Sana
Sep 01, 2012 01:33pm
Thanks for writing such an eye-opening comment. Dawn.com is bold enough to report such incidents of oppression against Shias in our country. I read articles and even editorials that condemn such acts, but some media groups don't bother to report, God knows what is all this about. May Allah protect our country from these barbarian talibans and all those who favour their acts......Amen...
Aslam
Aug 28, 2012 03:24am
I can second to that.
Yawar
Aug 28, 2012 01:06pm
Saadia, you think protesting to "Zardari and his fellows in parliament" will solve Abbas' security problem? What do you expect them to do? Personally go to North Waziristan with guns and suicide jackets? Also, you are wrong in insinuating that this is a Shia problem. This is just as much a problem for you and me.
Yawar
Aug 28, 2012 01:20pm
To me, a practicing Shia are just as good a muslim as a practicing Sunni. However, it is really for Allah and not me to pass judgement. But unfortunately, this is not a common view taught by the Shia and Sunni maulvis and our elders. So I tend to think the poll results are correct.
areluctantpakistani
Aug 30, 2012 08:47am
The problem is when you say that "'in Islam' no one has a right to murder anyone else", you bring in shades of religious grey as there are a large number of so called religious experts (moulvis) who say otherwise. Lets face it, religion has become a matter of interpretation and there are more variants out there than there are even sects. The benefit of a secular state is that then your statement becomes simply, "No one has a right to murder anyone else". Much easier to understand and interpret and therefore much more difficult to mislead people based on lies or misconceived notions.
abbas
Aug 30, 2012 03:32pm
fahad you need to read Islamic History written by Sunni scholars also read all major Sunnis books which are more respecable after Holy Quran. Shia people never endorsed the terrorism. You know who supported it and who was Zalim(Oppressor) and Mazloom(Oppressed). Stop the blame game.
h l
Aug 27, 2012 09:38pm
Problem is not presence or absence of religion. Its simply law lessness in the country resulting in these episodes. Once again, in Islam teaching NO ONE HAS A RIGHT to murder anyone else. Please don't confuse the situation. Intolerance from a laymen to elite all inclusive. In my humble opinion it is lawlessness per se. Even if you declare state as secular and provide no implementation of laws you will see the same problem. Stop using religion as an escape for people sitting in power and lawlessness.
Umer
Aug 27, 2012 12:55pm
People please think first. No doubt Shite are being slaughtered. But this is not about shia vs sunni clash. We cant have more divide.
Ajmal
Aug 27, 2012 01:27pm
Why are there so many DUMB people in this country
Saadia
Aug 27, 2012 03:04pm
Abbas if this is the case then why you don't protest Zardari and his other shia fellows in parliament? Commenting in Dawn wont solve your security problem, trust me.
Only Muslim
Aug 31, 2012 12:09am
Guys,,,i don;t understand, what are you talking and what are you guys thinking about our past,,,,you are all MashAllah educated people..... we are all against these type of killing,,,, Let me explain..when we are going to hajj,,,, have you seen there ,,,,Who is sunni? or who is shia?,,,every one equal...every one throwing stone on SHAITAAN. After Hajj, we come back to our countries.. we have not seen that, in India, Bangladesh or any other countries,,,,where Muslim is killing other Muslim. Why This horror killing is only Pakistan. Why we are killing each other? Why i can not stop my brothers to killing human beings. where is my religious leader,,,,why he is not stop this? I know these killer are Shaitan but we are every well know that,,,,,Allah will give them saza in Akharat,,,,but we are the normal people ,,,we are start to killing innocent people,,,, i know he is sunni ,,i know he is shia,,,,but on that time we are not thinking that he is poor human being. He is doing hard work and eating two time food. but we have in our mind that he is sunni or shia,,, and i need him to kill...slowly slowly it starts in our society than go to in all area and become shia and sunni fight.....So, Please don't go to past....we are still stuck in our past but the others, they went to moon and space...We youth (all groups) need to stand and need to stop, why my sunni brother will kill shia or why shia brother kill sunii.....Please please try to stop these conversation,,,,thanks
Zimbo_Indian
Aug 27, 2012 04:29pm
Amen
Ayesha
Aug 27, 2012 02:56pm
We all should protest,y shias alone??We must not let these elements succeed in their objectives.In fact,sunni people must take a step ahead and protest for their shia brothers.There is no divide in the hearts of common people,but such incidents induce such thoughts.That's what their objective has always been-divide and rule.
Shaheen
Aug 29, 2012 06:14pm
No matter what anyone says, this is no reason to kill them ! Islam does not teach this kind of intolerant behaviour. People should worry about their own "akhirat", not that of anybody else !
Agha Ata
Aug 28, 2012 05:38pm
Sunnies are different, Shias are different, Christians are different, too, so are Hindus and Jewish. We are all different and we fight. We must find something common among us. I suggest "Humanity"! What do you say?
Sajid
Aug 28, 2012 04:20pm
@fahad! Stop the blame game. It's easy to point the finger on the opposition. In Majalis and gatherings like Muharram and 21st Ramadan, Ulma and zakireen avoid talking about the differences, and you must respect it. The differences are from 1400 years and you cannot change the history. It's extremely sad situation, you don't condemn the killers who kill the innocent passengers on KKH and you blame the passengers and their religious ideology for all the violence. Don't forget, Founder of Pakistan, Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was a Shia (Reference: Abul-Hasan Isfahani book title "Quaid As I knew him").
Ghazanfar
Sep 04, 2012 11:23am
Shias claim that what ever the Shia Ulema are saying are from the the very authentic books of Muslims, that is the "Sehah Sitta" , including Saheeh Bukhari , Saheeh Muslim , Tirmizee Sharif etc. Those rivaiaat and ahadiths should not have been in the such respected and reverend books? Should not our Ulema work together to delete any Rivaiaat and Ahadiths that are not authentic?
pakistani
Aug 27, 2012 01:19pm
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Ali
Aug 27, 2012 03:42pm
the 50% who think they are infidels are responsible for all this genocide
Saf
Aug 29, 2012 06:05pm
Dawn is not controlled by some made up bogeyman conspiratorial Iranian lobby. Perhaps the bias lies elsewhere. Its a ridiculous and bigoted tin foil claim.
asim khan
Aug 27, 2012 01:28pm
It is for such reason I stopped practicing my religion. God/Allah may be real and all religions are fake and man made!
Abdullah
Aug 29, 2012 02:52am
How can the media not be biased when it is controlled by Iranian lobby
jawad
Aug 28, 2012 09:52am
Yeah you are right the media is not paying attention even to the Muftis and the Alims from Sunni sect being killed as well. Who is going to pay attention on that? Every day a renowned Alim is killed through these so called hidden hands and no one bothers.
Reality Bites
Aug 27, 2012 02:35pm
Very disturbing and unacceptable. I know believes of both sects only converge at the God and the Holy Prophet. Below that there is 180 degrees difference. Why can't clerics from both sides sit and come to some solution?
Zia haider
Aug 27, 2012 02:42pm
I am so disgusted about the lack of condemnation from political parties. I salute MQM to bring it in open and call it a Shia genocide, while others call it a sectarian killing implying that the 2 sects were fighting each other, which is not the case. I am specially disgusted by the so called "new savior". Imran Khan, who has not uttered a single word about the incident reinforcing his Pro Taliban credentials. I agree with previous writers , why are not Shias not organizing themselves to protest, fight and bring these incidents to the world in large. Zia
Sana
Aug 28, 2012 04:44pm
Shia aalims dunt call anyone kafir or infidels, whether they are Sahaba RA or anyone else, neither it is allowed in Islam to call a Muslim, Kafir. There are some sahaba who proved their enmity to Prophet's daughter and ahleybait( as stated in history), and harmed them, but this is just a difference in narration of history that many sunni or other sects don't agree with. As far as shia killing is concerned, its an organised and brutal propaganda against Pakistan and Islam; becoz those who kill innocent Muslims are expelled from the circle of Islam( this too is narrated in Quran, not my words)... lashkar jhangvi or sipah sahaba or wotevr organisation it is; they admit attacking army, schools, mosques, hospitals, what is all that for?.......it means they are the enemies of Pakistan and attacking minorities also is a step to disintegrate masses......!
Truth Hurts
Aug 28, 2012 08:53pm
Take any Hadith narrated by the Mother of the believer Ayesha (R.A) from the most authentic book Sahih Bukhari and request any Shia scholar or per say a regular person to review/discuss with you..... and wait ,watch and listen (nothing more).... just though to share something as i say your name....
Zafar Malik
Aug 27, 2012 01:45pm
What is hapening in Pakistan today is a direct result of 65 years of promoting Islam as state religion. This gives every right to the misguided sectarian elements to enforce their own concepts of Islam on the society. Unless Pakistan comes to realise that religion has no place in affairs of a modren state, this confusion and chaos will continue. Declare Pakistan a secular state and confine religion to its own place, and a lot of troubles will come to an end.
Asad
Aug 28, 2012 04:56pm
@ Fahd You, by trying to justify the monsters committing inhuman acts, are in fact supporting their action. On the day of resurrection, you will have to answer to Allah (swt). When Allah (swt) sent Prophet Musa(as) to Firaun, the sent him to guide..read Quran....He, the Almighty did not send Musa(as) to kill him.... Quran...kill one and you have killed all of humanity.... Please do not fall into the trap of justifying this evil by any excuse..... Asad
Shahzad Haider
Aug 27, 2012 01:01pm
Thanks for atleast raising the voice against Shia genocide...
Gerry D'Cunha
Aug 27, 2012 01:38pm
shias are being slaughtered by the sunnis and yet you say this not clash and divide - the problem with muslims is you don't want to face facts.This called hyprocricy!!
Imran Hussain
Aug 27, 2012 02:27pm
Are we getting close of being declared as the failed state by the international community. This is a planned conspiracy by the non state actors like Taliban, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Taiba to de stabilize Pakistan. The geoncide of Shias in Pakistan is an organized effort to start civil war among Sunni-Shia community. I don't know where is our army and intelligence agencies ???
Khurram
Aug 29, 2012 12:17pm
well said higly agreed top notch comment
Kris
Aug 28, 2012 09:53pm
And the problem will be solved next day, right? How childish of you to think an unthinkable. Learn more and then write next time my child..Fahad baby
Komal S
Aug 29, 2012 08:08am
I have no intentions to divide or incite. I am from india and do follow lot of Pakistan news on the internet(english only from Pakistan dailies) and i was kind of perplexed pretty much no coverage on protests after some of these gory incidents. again the protest is not against the people of Pakistan, it is to bring awareness and also to wake up the system to protect their interests. I am still puzzled though. maybe i am looking at the wrong places.
fahad
Aug 28, 2012 09:17am
The reasons behind the shia killings in pakistan is that the majority of shia zakireen abuses khlafa e rashideen and sahaba and shias said Abu bakr umar and Usman are infiedals it is the basic reason of shia sunni voilence i request to all shias who are secular and want to peace in the country please stop ur zakireen and allamas
Aamir
Aug 27, 2012 02:48pm
People who brand shais as kafir forget that leader of the nation (Qaid-e-Azam) was a shia too. I have a very simply question for those people who consider shias to be non-muslims that how can a non-muslim be responsible for creating a muslim state. They don't have any answer for this. This fact was also pointed out by MQM leader Altaf Hussian.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 28, 2012 07:47pm
Hello, Welcome to our civil war.
Raj
Aug 27, 2012 03:00pm
Pakistan is on the right path of disintegration. Today Shia, tomorrow Ahmedia then Sunnis days are also comming. Thanks to Mullas culture without religion. Who are keeping silence on mass murder their turns is also coming after this. All the Islamic Intellectuals eager to teach others that Islam is a peaceful religion, why can't they teach theses blood thirsty extremist.
Muhammad Akbar
Aug 29, 2012 10:42am
This is Alarming for all of us "For now the Shia
Faiyaz (Shia)
Aug 28, 2012 05:37pm
But then how do you explain the sentiments of Sunni Muslims in other countries. Why is Shia Sunni problem only in Pakistan and not in Afghanistan, India or Bangladesh
abdul
Aug 27, 2012 05:27pm
u r absolutely right
abdul
Aug 27, 2012 05:28pm
correct
AbdulShek
Sep 05, 2012 08:23am
you must see the history first and then comment
JB-Haider
Aug 27, 2012 05:37pm
Well, I will disagree with you because I say, the way Islam is promoted and pushed into people' mind by narrow minded Mullah's is the real cause of all this. Also we thank Mr. Zia-ul-Haq for all this disturbing situation.
MOHAMMAD
Aug 29, 2012 05:00pm
we sunnis consider shias as our fellow-muslims. small differences are there, which is not a problem. misguided people who terrorise others should be brought to justice. writ of the state should be established. SHIAS ARE EQUAL TO SUNNIS AS PAKISTANIS. small difference do not matter. they believe in all the five pillars, then also believe that MOHAMMAD (PBUH)WAS THE LAST PROPHET. all the guns from society need to be snatched. anybody who peaches hatred needs to be brought to book. we are all one- servants of ALLAH. please hold fast to the rope of ALLAH as per quran.
Maz Rizvi
Aug 27, 2012 05:46pm
Unfortunately in Pakistan, MQM seems to be the only political party which considers it to be a genocide while rest looking at this with cornered eye...and playing silent game or issuing weak statements. Being a Shia Muslim I am extremely disappointed with Pakistani political leaderships.
Zee
Aug 27, 2012 07:52pm
Zafar Sahib, I agreed with you 100% every thing you said, except one and that Islam needs to go back where it came from.
Abbas
Aug 27, 2012 01:35pm
TELL ME what it is then, dont tell me Some outside country is involved or drone attacks or America (america is behind but done by our local people). with ur NIC u can travel but i cant till i grab a gun.
Syed M
Aug 29, 2012 12:53pm
First of all please advise which Shia Ulma / Zakreen you have seen or heard abusing Khulfa, secondly your this logical is totally insane to defend these killings, open your eyes Mr., there are not only these killings but your killer brothers are also destroying Pakistan's armed forces and their defensive mechanism and who will be benefiting from their actions, you do not need a bionic eye to see that. who is funding these Taliban's to do these destruction, you don't need a telescope to see around you.
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 01:33pm
One supposedly 'dirty' word holds the solution to this madness: secularism. It is not hard for a Muslim nation to become secular. Turkey and even Bangladesh did the same, and these countries were able to marginalize the extremists with the aid of secular thought and law. In any case, Pakistan does not need to worry about 'Hindu-domination' now either, as that was supposedly the sole reason for its creation. Else, this cycle of who is 'true' Muslim and who is not will keep going as a vicious cycle towards an inevitable implosion tearing away the fabric of the society.
muhAMMAD ALI
Sep 02, 2012 06:09pm
yes u are very right .we have more incommon than different.if the shia clergy stop teaching hatred towards our noble prophet,s companions and his wives,the whole issue will be resolved.in we stop judging our holy ancestors and respect them for what they did honestly and sincerely in the times they lived,this hatred can be resolved. may allah give us wisdom , unify the ummah and give us strength to preach the teachings of love and brotherhood of our faith. muhammad ali
Ghazanfar
Sep 04, 2012 11:52am
Dear Fahad, 1) No Shia Alim ever said that Sunnis are Kafirs. 2) No Shia Alim ever said that Sunnis should be killed. 3) All Shias believe that Fatwa can only be passed by a Mujtahid whose Following ( Takhleed) is acceptable. 4) What ever the Shia Alims say they quote from authentic Suni muslim books 5) All Shias believe that death Fatwa can only be passed by a muslim state and the state only can carry out death sentence where duly passed. No common individual or street cleric can pass Fatwa and enforce it himself. WeI believe that no one should cause any Mental or phisical harm to others. I pray for your prosperity and happiness
Farhaz
Aug 29, 2012 09:00am
very true Mr. Zafar...! I wish al dt u said comes into reality some day n religion is kept completely out of state affairs....
A Sunni
Aug 30, 2012 12:50am
what about the killings of 12 innconet Sunnis in Karachi just before eid ?
Ghani
Aug 27, 2012 01:52pm
please stop this propoganda war.
Hur
Aug 27, 2012 09:40pm
Shias all over the country are being massacred. Not just in G-B. If you notice, theres a similar but silent operation going in Karachi also, targetting shia individuals and killing them. But even then Shias do protest alot. The media hardly pays any attention to it though. That is why its hardly reported.
A sunni
Aug 29, 2012 01:26am
Chilas attack was a reaction of Gilgit attack in which generads were thrown in a peaceful rally, please show both sides of the story.
Haris Effendi
Aug 27, 2012 09:14pm
These people who kill these innocent people are merely illitrate about the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches to hate "kufr" not "kafir". There is a huge difference in these two aspects. We are supposed to love each other and warn each other out of love that not to do kufr, like how a mother warns her child not to put his/her hand on a hot stove as it may burn their hands. Instead of learning and teaching the true religion these illiterate and merciless idiots go about killing innocent for a meaningless cause. I hate how they have misguided so many in the wrong direction and ruined of the religions image.
Hassan
Aug 27, 2012 09:15pm
As if protests in other cases in or outside of Pakistan have been fruitful. I am not Shia but there are plenty of people in my family who are and we get along just fine. Pakistanis who have hatred in their hearts for other human beings should be ashamed of themselves. Quran clearly states to be careful of "munafiqs". SSP and other organizations are nothing but munafiqs for killing innocent human beings.
Hassan
Aug 27, 2012 09:22pm
As Pakistanis, we should be completely ashamed of ourselves. Today you may be quiet and accept that murdering innocents is acceptable until it will happen to one of your own. Separation of Church and state is required in our country almost immediately. Where is Supreme Court now to bring justice and punish those who commit these crimes? Where are the suo moto notices on these types of issues? I know the day Salman Taseer was murdered in cold blood that there is no hope left for our country. Every man and woman is on their own. Muslims in the western countries have more rights than Pakistan where you can't even have logical questioning.
abdul manan
Aug 28, 2012 03:12pm
i totally agree with fahad
Belal Ahmed
Aug 27, 2012 09:53pm
Agree
ROHIT PANDEY
Aug 28, 2012 03:00pm
Science,technology,industry commerce and a great higher education. ..transparent governance! Recipe for success of a state. What role does religion play in this success? Zilch nada!
Syed Hasan Haider
Aug 27, 2012 10:11pm
With all due respect Komal S, I think you aren't watching the news or even moving around in your city if you think Shia's didn't protest against this brutality. We wore black ribbon's on Eid day. And our Imam's in their Sermon's talked about tolerance and brotherhood. We didn't pray for the brutal murderers to be killed or punished, we prayed for a united tolerant society which respects everyone in it. We prayed for the destruction of the enemies of ISLAM not only Shia's. You know whats puzzling me, why isn't EVERYONE protesting. Why aren't you protesting? Why should only Shia's be the ones mourning, aren't others living in the same country grieving the death of these innocent people? THESE are the questions to be asked Komal. Ask yourself. I am sorry if my reply smells of anger. But that is what I felt when I read your comment and wanted to give an honest opinion. Because in my opinion, Shia's didn't die in that incident. INNOCENT Muslims died. PLEASE stop the divide. Please!
Mustafa
Aug 30, 2012 04:43am
It seems, and I hope I am dead wrong, Pakistan is becoming like Nazi Germany where the the Shias, Ahmadis, Christians and other minorities are the oppressed Jews and it is just a matter of time when Allah Subhanahu Tala will perform the miracle to save oppressed as He did in Germany.
MOHAMMAD
Aug 27, 2012 10:51pm
this is fake study which says that 50 percent of PAKISTANIS believe that shias are non-muslims.no body can say that this is the idea of whole sunni community. we sunnis consider shias as our fellow-muslims from before. small differences are there. no problem. misguided people who terrorise others should be brought to the book. writ of the state should be established heavily. SHIAS ARE EQUAL TO SUNNIS AS PAKISTANIS. small difference do not matter. they believe in all the five pillars, then also believe that MOHAMMAD (PBUH)WAS THE LAST PROPHET. so where is the difference in the basics. FOR ALLAHS SAKE FOLLOW QURAN WHICH TELLS "YOU ALL HOLD TO THE ROPE OF ALLAH AND DO NOT DIVIDE."
A Sunni
Aug 28, 2012 12:14am
before this Lulusar attack 50 Sunnis were killed in Gilgit bazar, no one is mentioning that, please dont be biased, a good writer is an unbiased writer who gives full and true information to the readers
Hassan
Aug 30, 2012 04:03pm
Look, you can go around in circles and point incidents. Obviously, over 95% of Pakistani muslims are Sunni or non Shia, therefore, anytime there is a murder, a bomb blast, the probability is that most of the victims are from the 95%. You are missing the point here. Minorities don't target majorities in a country knowing the repercussions. This is also the reason why poor Christians are targeted because of blasphemy laws even if they didn;t do anything wrong. Bottom line is that Pakistan has become a country where minorities religious sects or otherwise are targeted by Sunnis / Wahabis. almost 100% of the organizations TTP, Lashkar, Sipah-e-Sahaba are all believers of Hanabili school of thought prevalent in Saudi Arabia. I am a Sunni myself and I can't find any single reason why minorities in our country should be targeted.
Naveed
Aug 29, 2012 11:40am
We need rule of law and tranparency in governance. Nobody can justify such acts, so please refrain from rationalizing the irrational.
Akhter Husain
Aug 28, 2012 01:58pm
Well said I.fully agree Hope hate lovers will try to understand the difference you punted out Haris.
Khadim
Aug 27, 2012 11:14pm
How can we get rid of what is happening today in Pakistan for it has been the commulative effect since the birth of the country when all rulers are trying to promote and construct nation -building process based on religion. They have always called people with secular, liberal midset either Western agents or communists. What had been planted in the past, we are seening the results these days. No wonder more gruesome acts of violence and genocides are to come. The only thing that we had learnt as a nation is to repeat the wrong done in the past we are exactly repeating it these days. Watch out for the worst in future.
Sajid Ali
Aug 28, 2012 01:44pm
It is not Sunni or Shia or Christian who is killed.It a pakistan who is getting killed.By whom and for what that is something we all need ponder upon.Every Pakistan who doesn't see this , is an enemy within.Whatever be our belief no one has a right to murder or kill.In short law enforcement agencies in Pakistan are fraying poor .There is need to change the system and change it fast.
Nisar
Aug 28, 2012 07:21am
I agree with Zafar Malik.
Abdullah
Aug 29, 2012 03:21am
Absolutely true. This should stop.
Naveen Kumar
Sep 02, 2012 05:31am
Couldn't agree more.
PeopleInGlassHouses
Aug 27, 2012 02:39pm
And 70 % Indonesians and Malaysians think Shias are non-musilms,explain that?
human
Aug 30, 2012 06:34am
No human being would tolerate killing each other irrespective of his religion or belief. Islam teaches us for peace and to take care of their neighbourhood.Muslims are not even allowed to kill an ant if they are true muslim and follow QURAN. These people who are killing others are brain washed and basically do not understand the fact that they are commiting such a big SIN that will lead them to HELL not to Heaven. The government should monitor the madarsa, where some of them brain wash the young ones who later on become suicide bomber or a killing machine. It is really sad and painful to see that how a person can kill another. LIVE IN PEACE AND LET OTHER LIVE IN PEACE AS WELL.
Syed M
Aug 30, 2012 06:58am
That tomorrow has already come and a number of liberal scholars / clerics have already lost their lives to these enemies of Islam TTP., It
GhostRider
Aug 30, 2012 07:31am
When will our fascination with lobbies die...first it was Israeli lobby then US lobby and now the most absurd iranian lobby...Why cant you accept truth
Abbas
Aug 30, 2012 07:04pm
Every unjust killing is a unforgiving sin in the view of Holy Quran. The problem is Pakistan's majority muslim sect (68% of polulation) remain quiet including Maulvis and dirty politicians (definition of true politics is "Justice" per Imam Ali as)rather than condemn killing of "innocent"(regardles of their sect and religion per Quran) within Pakistan's territories. One day it will come to haunt them as it is Allah's Law "You shall reap what you sow".
pathanoo
Aug 30, 2012 05:53pm
The problem or issue is not what Islam says or does not say. It is simply why is every thing
pakistani
Aug 27, 2012 02:45pm
Shia community is quite organized and commendably sensible in the way that they have held back from putting counter-blame for their murders on their Sunni brothers. They do not see the Sunnis as their murderers. Even if 50% Sunnis don't even consider them Muslims. Shias have been protesting vociferously for a while now. Sadly its the media who doesn't report anything. Even the govt. is infiltrated with pro-hardliners so much so that a certain site named shiakilling.com recently got banned by govt. in Pakistan when all they did was to report the atrocities suffered by the Shia community. It is the mentality of the silent majority that reflects in the attitude of the media and the govt. Its an absolute disgrace.
Komal S
Aug 27, 2012 01:36pm
As an outsider i find it puzzling that Shias are not organized enough to fight for their justice. I assume Shias make up 15-20% of the population in pakistan. 1. How come there are no Shias in the big cities of Pakistan protest against these militant excesses against Shias 2. How come Shias living in western countries do not go on a protest I can't believe they are so afraid to protest. I am pretty sure these protests will resonate with the silent majority.
manish
Aug 27, 2012 06:04pm
you are right, it is not SHIA-SUNNI clash. it is just SHIA'S being slaughtered for no fault of their's. you, may want to make correction, to your statement.
Abbas
Aug 30, 2012 07:08pm
Br. Mohammed beleiving is not enough. we need to condemn killers if they are our own as it will create injustice in the society that automatically results in violence. Unfortunately we support corrupt and are scared of thugs for the fear of our own life. If we continue to live in fear in Pakistan, then this violence will increase more and one day it will take all of us. We need to be fearless against corrupt and unjust and raise our voice.