I grew up in fear – every face around me depicted nothing but fear. I am sure that the first expression on my parent’s face on my birth as a female child born to Hindu parents living in Kandhkot would have been that of fear also. Why did I bring so much fear into the lives of my parents? I grew up always wondering what is it about me that continues to terrify. But I always drew a blank. How naïve I was.

Before I knew it, the time to attend school had arrived. School was comfortable; however, there were times when I felt like an outsider, finding it difficult to gel in with rest of the majority. Perhaps the snide remarks and incidents of discrimination led me to believe that I am not one of ‘them’. Of those incidents, I still vividly remember no one eating with me and refusing to sip from the cup I drank from.

Home wasn’t very different either. My mother asked questions about my life at school and otherwise looking for answers that would somehow relinquish her from the unknown fear. Afraid to disappoint her, I realised very early in my life that my mother could not be my confidant.

Growing up was not easy.

And then it happened. The fears of my mother and many Hindu mothers like her materialised. I went out to one of the largest markets of Kandhkot and was abducted by a man I knew very well. He was none other than the guard who was responsible for safeguarding our temples.

Knowing his face well prompted me to sit with him in his car without protest, however, instead of taking me to my house he turned to an alley that I wasn’t too familiar with. Scared and unsure about what lay ahead I started screaming just to hear my abductor scream louder and threaten me. Astonished and unable to comprehend the gravity of the situation I sat still until it was time to step out of the car to a small house which looked abandoned.

We entered the house to find a large room devoid of any furniture and other bearings except for a carpet that covered the floor. I was made to sit down on the floor.

Uncertain about what was going to happen to me; my mind raced with thoughts of the recent news of the abductions and forced conversions of Hindu girls. I sat there shuddering. The realisation struck me and I could see my entire life in front of me in kaleidoscope. My mother’s fears, my father’s warnings, the alienation I felt, the yearning to be a part of the circle of friends, the search for a confidant, a friend.

My worst fears were reaffirmed when a man wearing a turban entered the room to teach me about a religion which I grew up hearing about, however, felt no urge to practise or embrace. He kept sermonising me for hours but was unable to get me to listen to him, realising that he left asking me to ponder about the true religion.

His departure did not ignite any fire for eternal glory inside me but only made me wonder why did my parents not relocate to another country when they had the chance to do so? Why did they continue to live in fear waiting for the inevitable to happen instead of making a move to safer pastures? And, what made me think that I am any different from countless girls who are forced to change their faith?

Each passing day appeared to be more and more surreal. The ritual of preaching continued for days, I lost track. Eventually, when preaching did not do the trick, my abductor threatened me.

The routine ranging from threats to persuasion and from glorifying the paradise to the wrath of God for non-believers only made me wonder: Do we not all pray to the same God — a God who is manifested in nature, colours, happiness and love? Why would he punish me for being a Hindu?

Somewhere along this relentless persuasion, came that horrifying threat of harming my family – I gave in. My approval followed a small ceremony in which I was forced to embrace Islam and later married off to the man who will always be remembered as the ‘messiah’ who for saved me from the unknown territory of sin and infidelity I was treading on.

After the ceremony, instead of receiving blessings for a happy and prosperous life ahead, I was immediately escorted to a local court where a Muslim magistrate declared my conversion and marriage in accordance with the law.

The news of my conversion and marriage to a Muslim man spread like wildfire. I dreaded the moment of meeting my parents. I never wanted to see pain and agony on their faces let alone be the reason for all their grief. Sure enough, one look at my mother made me yearn for my own death.

I wanted to tell her that I love her and that her safety was all I had in mind when I converted. I wanted to tell my father to keep my sisters safe. I wanted to tell my brothers to leave the country whilst they still could. I wanted to say much more but their silent pain and suffering made me wish if only I wasn’t born a girl, if only I wasn’t born in Pakistan, if only I had the right to be myself and practise my faith without being herded into a religion that I failed to comprehend, if only I could make them all understand that there is just one God for all, if only I could give us all an identity that we rightly deserve.

Looking at all the faces that once seemed familiar; I wondered: who am I?

I am one but share the pain of many. I am Rachna Kumari, Rinkle Kumari, Manisha Kumari and the many more Hindu girls who will be forced to convert in Pakistan. I am the fear of their families and the agony that they undergo. I am the misery of those girls who die a little every day for the injustices done to them.

I am a minority living in an intolerant society.

 


Faiza Mirza
The writer is a Reporter at Dawn.com

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Abdullah
August 26, 2012 8:46 am
Mr Rajesh.......clean ur own house first instead of trying to score a point about ours society....so u got a tolerant sciety in india!!!!!!......thats a news....lol....
Abdullah
August 26, 2012 9:05 am
Faiza Mirza Congrats.....u did a great job by inciting a indian pakistani hate debate.....Congrats....lol.....wat a P........tic article...loll
Bilal Raza
August 20, 2012 12:57 pm
Be aware my friend, Pakistan was created by Jinnah. Jinnah was the man who spoke for minorities not once but on each and every draft he presented to Congress. Jinnah demanded that no bill could be passed in the assembly if two-third majority of that community opposed that bill. Jinnah mentioned this in Lucknow Pact (1916), Delhi Proposal(1927), Jinnah's famous 14 points (1929). In addition, Jinnah also demanded for separate electorate for all minorities. It was after Jinnah, that Muslims lost their tracks, somewhere in Zia's era.
zeeshan
August 21, 2012 2:55 pm
is this one a real story? who told this story to the writer? the didn't give any references. it seems that it is an imaginary one. against the ethics of journalism too.
tears
August 25, 2012 3:50 pm
though i can't imagine the misery you have gone through but I can fee the pain. May god help you and remain with you forever. I hope things will get better in future in Pakistan for hindu families.
Devil
August 21, 2012 2:33 pm
Currently its amongst one of the good countries and we are working very hard to make it 'The Best' in near future. I bet you will hear and I will see India reaching there, in my lifetime! Amen !!!!!
Roger
August 20, 2012 2:39 pm
Dear M. Salah - I have my own personal views on Religions. I believe, though, that conversion to Hinduism is a complex topic. As generally known, Hindus do not practice conversion, and anyone is free to practice it. However, I think there is also a way of being formally accepted into the Hindu fold. Roger
shabir
August 20, 2012 2:35 pm
islam is not preached this way...this is the way of ignorants..these so called islamic propagators have forgot how our prophet (s.a.w) taught islamic principles...he(s.a.w) preached islam by showing ppl the real blessings of islam by developing a character in himself that made ppl to accet islam...but not by this way...
Roto Corp
August 24, 2012 3:32 am
do you live in a fairyland? dont talk illlogicallty? muslims are killing muslims and non-muslims and you are parroting statements like " Islam was never spread through swords". have some shame left.
Vijay Gandhi
August 24, 2012 6:11 pm
Hey ,What r u talking about ? What is happening in Assam is not religious problem, u r deliberately putting others problem as yours, i don't know where u stay ,Position of Muslim in India is far better than in any country. yes we have problems in India, but its not that Muslim are only facing problems, But at least we are trying to sort it out. People like you who calls for Unity according to religion are making situation worse. Have you gone to Gujarat,Assam or Myanmmar , do u know the ground situations, and do u know problems of Shias or Ahmadis in Pakistan. More you think Religiously , More u will be singled out . Discrimination will stop when u will stop thinking, u r someone separate from others. Do u want to act like Hitler who was on drive of mass killings . Start to live as human being not as someone special. Then only we can find solution of our problems.
Sameer
August 25, 2012 8:26 am
You speak of Gujrat, but conveniently forget that more than 50 hindu pilgrims in Godhra (Gujrat) were burnt to death by frenzied muslim mobs. No muslims came out in protest to condemn it. What then followed was retribution by the majority community, which is again condemnable as two wrongs dont make one right. You talk about Assam, it is not about Hindus and Muslims there. It is about Bodo tribals and Bangladeshi settlers, the issue is about tribals being dispossessed from their land. You are ripe to be picked up by a Jihadi Organization and converted to a suicide bomber. Instead of raving and ranting, please correct your faults.
Deepak
August 20, 2012 8:52 am
Thanks Faiza for briniging up such an article . I truely salute you. You have a golden heart. I hope God send more people like you on this planet. I am a true Hindu but i can say one thing for sure...Islam is a peaceful religion but majority of muslims are not good people and Most muslims donot have true knowledge of Islam. They should first go through teaching of Islam thoroughly before doing such cruel deeds. Think by converting someone forcefully to Islam, will u be able to justify that to Allah. You are making life of his/her parents hell. By seeing all this, will the Allah send u in heaven. I am not saying all Hindus are good people but they never do forced conversions. Is Islam greater than Humanity. Allah will always say Humanity is greatest religion.
Solitar
August 20, 2012 9:58 am
Bulle Shah (1680-1757), a Muslim Punjabi mystic poet, humanist and philosopher was compelled to glimpse at the ever prevailing situation; Tear down the Mosque, tear down the temple Tear Down everything in sight But don’t break anyone’s heart For God lives there, CM Sayed Qaim Ali Shah whose province abounds in Hindu minority, instead of being sensitive to the burning issue and standing by the minorities, has always beaten about the bush and denied the facts about forced conversions. For him the minority community enjoys all facilities. Pakistan has been incapable of ensuring justice to minorities on account of malicious mullaism that has evolved into an ever living virus. It has never brought perpetrators to trial declaring those blasphemers in return, who by means of Islamic faith accuse others blasphemous and infidels, set their houses and properties on fire. Their unending terrorist acts lead innocent minds to psychological disorders leaving them in the lurch to wait for the last breath whereas the culprits remain at large as spectators at Colloseo.
Deepak
August 20, 2012 8:44 am
Its a Shame.. Now What happens when Hindus start killing and force coverting muslims? Is this taught by religion to force people to follow what somebody thinks is right? I am not muslim and wants to ask all the muslims to confirm, Is force conversion part of ISLAM? if not then, why people do it? do they think by forcing they will make Allah happy about it? I really dont belive how come ardent beliver of god can do the act which will never be acceptable by God.. I dont know what preaching do they get.. Religion is to connect to go not making others to connect by force. I wish atleast people should understand this... And this statement applies on everybody following any religion.
Jagdish
August 21, 2012 2:33 pm
I dont mean to belittle you, but India's secular credentials are accepted by the entire world. Indians though poor can hold their heads high in international community due its secularism and credibility. Many Pakistanis settled abroad actually introduce themselves as Indians to gain social and business acceptability.
Chanda Khan
August 21, 2012 2:55 pm
Ahmed Abad, Gujrat speaks much of a secular face of India where thousands of Muslims were killed brutally by Modi and hindu fanatics under a State sponsorship. Dedicating few top slots to Sikhs, Muslims, Dalits and Christians will not heal the wounds of deprivations and attrocities committed by Indian State on communal lines. Sikhs have no little memory to forget what Congress Government did to them after Indira Gandhi was killed and Muslims too, will never forget what BJP did to them. So, Mr S. Subrahmanyam, dont fool the world around with such examples. If India continues to adopt policies of Modi (aka future PM Modi) then many countries will surely emerge out of the map of India.
Umar
August 20, 2012 12:43 pm
Gud Article Fiza
Imran
August 22, 2012 9:16 am
So other than economic conditions and weather India is the best country to live in? Wah Gautam ji wah. If that is the choice for migrating then yes, I feel exactly the same way about Pakistan.Almost everyone who leaves Pakistan does so for economic reasons.
SSS
August 20, 2012 2:39 pm
Despite the rhetoric, revulsion, or the acts of the defensive league, I can only say, I am sorry to have read such a sad story of your life, not because you are a hindu converted to a muslim, but it would be equally painful to read if it was the opposite. May I wish peace for your tormented heart, compassion and forgiveness for the wrongful minded, and happiness for your future
Rashid
August 22, 2012 9:17 am
Hello Ms Writer, There are so many flaws in your story that it seems tailored rather than real. Whether tailored by you or the story teller, no idea. Hereunder i highlight only one basic flaw to avoid very long comment. If a person will abduct someone for forced converstion & marriage without any initial idea to the person being abducted, while in the room no one will ever do the first thing to send a preacher. Instead the first thing he will do to talk to her himself & ask her to convert because he wants to marry her & at that stage he might threaten her if she refuses or reluctant to do so. To send a preacher in the room being first step suggets both of them already having relationship & the girl already have the idea of her being taken to that place although being a girl she might be confused, afraid & even somehow reluctant at such final stage of their relationship.
tariq chandio
August 21, 2012 9:27 am
dear zaheer,,, Point to highlight such issues is not to devalue islam as we see same in other religions and societies but its abt perfection when we declare Islam as complete code of life,,best system for social development, we shall work extremely hard to make our societes the role models in these days of terror, barbarism, injustice, social deviance, and discrimnation but if we keep on defending our mistakes and sins,,, we will never create a model society when we will defend our mistake with others islam is a religion towards perfection and others arnt.. And such conversions not only impact image of Islam but promote our country, culture and society as biased. furthermore by such conversions,, those so called Mullahs and Pirs are not benefiting religion but despite by that those who want to convert by hearts will leav the love and will affirm to their faiths and at day of judgement Allah Almighty and our Prophet (P.B.U.H) will surely ask us that His hardwork where whole accepted as person of blessing and a true role model, was ruined by his ummah which was declared as Allah`s apostles on land. furthermore world and human nature always looks for errors and its absolute if a country have 100 good people and 10 bad everyone will condemn those 10. so stand up dont chant slogans on such conversions but be on side of justice.
Rashid Sultan
August 21, 2012 9:12 am
Don't my Pakistani brothers read Dawn? It appears to me that almost all the comments are from non Musalmaan Indians. Why? Are we suffering from a guilt complex or too frightened to speak our minds openly for the fear of facing the same fate as mixed race Musalmaan Taseer or the Christian Bhatti?
PKR Chowdhury
August 22, 2012 9:12 am
Allah is watching and He will take drastic action against all those who does wrong doings and sins in the name of Islam. Allah will also severely punish all those who has the mentality of Sharib 786.
Ehsan
August 21, 2012 2:51 pm
Please be honest, crime rate in India is nowhere near that of Pakistan. What happened in East Bengal is well documented by Hamoodur report, thousands of bengalees were killed and raped by Pakistani army systematically. What happens in Balochistan, Northern Areas is well known.. Rights of women in Pakistani is well know, Mukhtar mai's case is well known. A women who is raped is required to produce 4 witnesses to prove that she is innocent. The land of pure sacrifices its won citizens Ahemedis constitutionally. Atleast the government in India does not constitutionally sanction acts of this kind.
hira lal deb roy
August 20, 2012 2:55 pm
This age is of rationality, of science. Faith has challenges from reason backed by science and technology. Now in every society and religion, influence of faith and religion are decreasing. Religions except Islam are tolerant of reinterpretations of religion. However religion cannot survive the onslaught. Muslims are dogmatic in religious matters and practices. Either Muslims are to modify, reinterpret and adjust with the modern world of reason or remain in the outlook of middle ages when the whole world advances. Science support humanism which is modern day religion. Monotheism is anti democratic and intolerant of other religion. But polytheism is tolerant of other faith. Hindu basically accepts other religion without finality like the Kadianis (Ahmedias) in a sense. A Hindu may be an atheist, agnostic, monotheist or pantheist and so on.Science is killing all personal religions. Muslim world is lagging behind in science and so in military power. To survive is to accept science with its tolerance and humanistic values. Can Muslims accept Science and Reason? If not, their dooms-day has started.
secularIndian
August 21, 2012 9:23 am
mr SHoib khan' your defence argument is soooo weak and ludicrous that even your own fellow pakistanis must be laughing at you!
Bohemian
August 21, 2012 9:22 am
I just have to say one thing...you are an ignorant!
ahmad butt
August 20, 2012 3:04 pm
Ahhhhh what irony i have read all the comments and perspective from the Indian and Pakistani readers, and i can get the vibe of sense of achievement a proud white-race Britisher would feel reading them of what they have done with the subcontinent with their "divide and rule" policy. Hindus and Muslims back then werent better off that they are now, they have ingrained hate for each other based on religions bearing in mind we all were India once, will continue to have trouble in their backyard, while we control their abundance of resources via neo-colonialism, have their bright minds come to first-world countries with charging them visa fee and making them become tax-payers, having them go for a home mortgage and lock them in their land for 20-30 years, and then have their children grow up to be rebels and disown their past roots. Other fallout will be the fight over petty and major issues like (cricket and kashmir) , Im amazed to read the history of England, and their past with Scotland, Wales, Ireland and the North and what intrigues me is that after having a hateful past they have made amends. I would just ask such a mullah has the forced conversion done any significant change to the society, their family and Islam as a whole. I hope these religious zealots realise of backlash that overseas muslims face due to such stories making headlines, and those who do dawah work are taunted over such forced conversions. Till then there will be countless arguments and mindless bickering on forums, the conspiracy theories of why the partition occured will continue and we will succumb to the success of the hypocrisy of "white mans burden" where they claim to civilise the world but left it in tatters and despair.
Manish
August 22, 2012 10:40 am
Dear Hassan, Thanks for being so honest about your views. It's not about country or religion, it's more about prejudice one has for another religion. Hats off to the writer. With such people, I still hope Pakistan will be a better country in coming years...Manish
alien brahmin
August 26, 2012 8:45 am
its 100000 ( add more zeros to your convenience ) not 10000 muslims who got killed in gujrat . but you know who started it by burning karsevaks alive ? why you think only muslims has right to react and others should peacefully support and watch crimes committed by muslims ? its strange to see muslim started believing that there is no problem when muslims kills muslims and they will react violently only when non muslims kills a muslim . why dont you people react in the same manner when muslims are being killed by muslims be it in syria , iran and iraq or in pakistan where they have made it legal to kill shia and ahamediya muslims ?
An Indian
August 25, 2012 11:16 am
"All the resources are owned by Hindus. We have to work doubly hard to achieve something as all govt jobs are reserved for Hindus." I doubt you're from India. In my state, almost 60% of ministers are from the Indian Muslim League (IUML). We had a muslim President (Abdul Kalam). He's also father of India's missile programme. We're the only country where "Hajj" tickets are subsidised for the poor muslims. The list can go on and on. And Gujarat riots started when some Hindu pilgrims were burnt alive in a train. I'm in no way justifying the riots. But there's equal responsibility.
Brijesh
August 25, 2012 9:31 am
Infamous Gujarat riot of 2002 claimed lives of 790 Muslim & 254 Hindus. Riot is blot on humanity. But offenders shall be punished. Victims may lodge complaints/representation before various organisations i.e. Police, court, National Women Commission, national Human Right Commission, National Minority Commission etc. Have a patience and will to fight.Truth & Justice always prevail. Satyae mave jaytae.
Sameer
August 25, 2012 7:54 am
India is infinite times better. You speak of Gujrat, but conveniently forget that more than 50 hindu pilgrims in Godhra (Gujrat) were burnt to death by frenzied muslim mobs. No muslims came out in protest to condemn it. What then followed was retribution by the majority community, which is again condemnable as two wrongs dont make one right. The Police brands you terrorist, eh? Have you checked why? Most criminals are Muslims why? even when there are more than equal number of derived and destitute hindus. All the resources are owned by Hindus, you say? You know why? Because Muslims do not pay attention to education and have the lowest literacy rates, their main focus is learning islam in Madarasas, now what job would you expect to get? And do Hindus even get "rubber stamp positions" in Pakistan? How many become PM or President in 60 years? And yes you have a choice, please migrate to Pakistan, where you will be a mohajir for the rest of your life.
Shantanu, India
August 25, 2012 10:07 am
Fazal-Make merry in your choices-The decadence of Pakistan is obvious as even literate people like you ( your written ENglish proves the same) are judging humans on the religion they are from ! Faiza- take a bow to your article!
rehan khan
August 24, 2012 3:39 am
what is happening with the hindu's in pakistan is a shame , what about the muslim girls in india who are raped , killed , butchered with such a huge figure and still there is no media to show or cover that , so the story teller should also think a little for highlighting the problems which muslim are facing in india ,,
Vijay Gandhi
August 24, 2012 6:19 pm
I THINK U R IDEAL TO BECOME A TERRORIST
ariel
August 27, 2012 6:52 am
The Uzairs of the Islamic world are only expected to comment in this fashion. What this article has brought to the fore is the state's acquiescence or even connivance in these conversions. Pak's radical society continues to behave in an inhuman and ghastly manner. It is time that the international community intervenes in Pak.
Partha
August 27, 2012 3:41 am
Religious intolerance is at high everywhere, just the form and intensity differs. Not sure exactly why we love to hate others so much when the basic quality as a human being that we have is love. Although its a story in Pakisthan, but I am sure that same story is getting replicated in nooks and corners across Bangladesh, India. Hatred among Hindus and Muslims are so high that its coming out in its dreaded form everywhere. I myself have grown up with Muslim friends, we used to have everything togather, including lunch. At days when they used to bring beef, they will excuse themselves from sharing saying they have brought beef and will not share. Isn't that nice. Why can't we live like the way we used to when we were kids ?
Dwijendra Kashyap
August 24, 2012 7:11 pm
Dear Brothers and sisters, Fortunately, my country and countrymen (of all religions) do not live in continuous terror due to belonging to any religious community. Unfortunately, the corrupt and vote hunger politicians use poor countrymen (of all religions) to create differences for getting votes. My countrymen (of all religions) are suffering from corruption, poverty and low level of higher education. While religion can give certain degree of peace of mind, the bread and butter comes from economic prosperity. Those who associate themselves with religious and political leaders blindly only do harm of their own poor fellow countrymen. The real God lives beyond sectarian religious practices and HE keeps himself far away from such places where a human being lives in fear because of sectarian practices.
Truth
August 28, 2012 3:48 am
What a heartless monster you are, Mr Aly. To make fun of someone oppressed and violated. May be you will understand when the same fate befalls you and yours. May Justice be done, Amen! Or should I say, Insha Allah!!
Syed Jafar
August 28, 2012 3:46 am
OK My Bhavin. I was not implying that there are any atrocities happening. The point was that even if there was such a thing, it should be not be used as a reason to harm any Hindu in Pakistan. That will not help or do any good. We are all human beings and Pakistanis, and should learn to live together with peace. Poor leadership can cause a lot of harm by misguiding ppl and only masses end up paying the price. Its time for all of us to wake up and see the big picture. Together we can become stronger and focus on important and bigger things.
Giriraj.G.
August 24, 2012 7:40 pm
Zeeshan,the only difference between your community in India and Hitler is that, you people kill hindus in instalments and the germans do it on a massive scale.Its always easy that way, not many people would know your game plan.I am not a right wing hindu supporter,but facts are facts don't ALWAYS SAY THINGS THAT ARE CONVENIENT AND COMFORTABLE TO YOU OR YOUR COMMUNITY IN INDIA, truth is always bitter my friend.When you say or comment facts,always say both the sides of the story don't just say twisted stories to further your cause,explain each of the bomb blasts that happened in India caused by people of your community and then comment about Gujarat riots.Since you are hell bent like other rabid and heretic members of your community to keep harking back to Gujarat riots,so it would do a world of good to explain about each blast that your community orchestrated and planned throughout India starting from the 1993 todate.You kill people at the drop of a hat,don't need a particular reason for that later justify it with some outrageous and vague explanation.Its also a known fact that your people(muslims) can't stand other indigenous communities in our ancient land,you would gladly coerce them to convert,but why can't you let those communities be the way they are.Your community wouldn't mind killing anyone from the other community,but if the same individual were to convert to your religion you would never do it,I just don't understand the logic,before conversion he was the same individual and after the conversion he was the same individual,by just having a nomenclature doesn't make him different.As I have said to you earlier,the country would be better place without you,you are welcome to leave this country,nobody wants you or want anything to do with you.Leave with your family and relations as soon as possible,there are many Arab nation s willing to help you,so you are free to go.
Giriraj.G.
August 24, 2012 6:57 pm
A rabid guy like you now wants to enter the defence services of the Indian armed forces, after critcising the Indian government and the people of India.You should find a place for yourself in the middle east, that's exactly THE PLACE for a person like you who harbours hatred towards anything Indian and moreover you expect the hindu majority to quit and give jobs and services to people like you,for what purpose so that you can become another traitor.The whole majority of Indian public know persons like you pretty well,if you don't like the country please leave,nobody wants you or people like you in this country,so quit to some gulf country which will provide you safe haven for all YOUR FAVOURITE ACTIVITIES like having a harem of wives,procreating and having as many children you want (not your job to look after them so that you can blame the whole world for not taking care of them and later blame the whole world for all the ills in your life),kill as many people you want in the name of religion for apparently no fault of theirs and finally consume as many dates and meat you want, that's what you are fit for..People like you don't even have the slightest loyalty for the country ,hence why do you clamour to have a government job.Also don't forget the number of hindus killed by muslim terrorists in the mumbai bomb blasts(93),bomb blasts in the local trains very recently,Delhi bomb blasts,bomb blasts in the holy town of varanasi while the aarti of the holy river ganges was to have commenced,to name a few , hence don't keep "harking back to the Gujarat always", "two wrongs make no right", we all know , but you and your community has made it a habit to keep giving that EXCUSE ALWAYS for all the bomb blasts and attacks which will never serve you any purpose.You just can't fool around and go back to Gujarat riots,if that is the case then what about all the killings in the pre independence(pre mughal period killings of hindus,post mughal period killings of hindus) and post independence era,where a lot of hindus(running into lakhs totally for various battles,now no vague,outrageous explanation will be accepted) were killed by muslim rulers FOR THEIR WHIMS AND FANCIES,so its always better to keep your mouth shut and don't want your guidance or piece of mind,we are very well aware of our history.
Bhavna
August 27, 2012 6:50 am
Mr. Uzair, for your information no one can be made hindu by conversion. A person is hindu by birth only. Anyways, best wishes for you and god bless u.
JOGINDER KUMAR GERA
August 24, 2012 7:50 pm
It's not only true for Pakistani Hindus only but I am sure it's true for all Pakistanis. All of them are suffering. If given an opportunity they would like to emigrate.
Serendippp
August 24, 2012 8:04 pm
Just be informed please that one can only be born hindu; there is no conversion possible to hinduism. That apart, agreeing to convert only to prove your love is ridiculous.
SK
August 26, 2012 9:02 am
Ms Faiza Mirza, I'm a Hindu living in US. In US I live with people of all nationality and faiths, which made me think and very curious about worlds different religions. I spent some time to understand about it and start going to Church to understand Chrichanity. Since I'm from India and had several Muslim friends I can say probably I know Islam second to my own religions. After spending time to understand verious religions and visiting several famous churches and countries including Isreal, during my quest to know about religion and GOD, I read and heard Chritopher Hitchens and a big fan of Stephans Hawkins. I come to one conclusion that most of the so called religious people and organized religions pollutes ones mind. There is no truth in it as long as one uses his common sense and does not hurts another human or lives he will get salvation and if there is a GOD, HE will be pleased. This article tells me that you are above religion and a true human being. You are a voice of unheards and you are an example who believes in freedom of thought, justice and equality. THIS WORLD NEEDS FULL OF FAIZA MIRZA TO MAKE IT BEAUTUFUL. PLS KEEP UP YOUR GOOD WORK AND USE THE POWER OF YOUR PEN TO BE A VOICE OF A SUFFERER IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGION OR RACE. IF YOU VISIT TO US AND HAVE TIME PLS SEND A MAIL TO ME. I WOULD LIKE TO MEET YOU IN PERSON TO SAY THANK YOU.
Abdullah
August 26, 2012 8:56 am
State Sponsored Human Right Abuses In INDIA......... There are numerous reports that the government and its agents committed arbitrary or unlawful killings, including extrajudicial killings of suspected criminals and insurgents, especially in areas of conflict such as Jammu and Kashmir, the Northeastern States, and the Naxalite belt. According to the Institute for Conflict Management, as of October 17, there were 1,616 fatalities in the country--which included individuals classified by the government as terrorists, and civilians
Kumar
August 26, 2012 9:24 am
CNN breaking news......a pakistani writer of DAWN........rose to fame in INDIA within a few hours by speaking up for the HINDUS of PAKISTAN....lol .....short cut to fame......;-)
Abdullah
August 26, 2012 8:49 am
Mr jagdish..i know wat ur BJP n Shiv Sena does..........MURDERERS of Muslims in india
Max Meyer
August 24, 2012 11:47 am
Ma'am with all due respect, there's a difference between an association you willingly made and then the following complications... but the case described above talks about forceful compulsion. That also without the involvement of any personal bias or feelings.
BINOD
August 24, 2012 12:30 pm
MY DEAR FRIENDS. PROBLEM IS EVERYWHERE AROUND THE WORLD AND IN INDIA MUSLIM'S ARE IN BETTER CONDITION THAN HINDU'S OF PAKISTAN THATS THE REASON U CAN'T FIND A SINGLE MUSLIM IN INDIA WHO WANTS TO GO PAKISTAN BUT EVERY HINDU OF PAKISTAN WANTS TO COME IN INDIA. WHY?????????
Zimbo Indian
August 20, 2012 12:38 pm
Until about 600 years ago there were hardly any Muslims in India. During Mughal rule Islam spread across India (mostly north). The spread was mostly by force. Mughals imposed Jaziya tax on Hindus. The poor ones often converted to Islam to avoid Jaziya. Mughals also indulged in abduction and forced conversion of unmarried Hindu girls (just as what is happening in Pakistan now). Hindus resorted to marrying off their daughters in childhood itself to avoid abductions by Mughal soldiers. Thus most Muslims of the sub continent owe their Islamic status to the sword of some ancesters. In fact, if they trace their family history closely, they may find that their great-great-great-great grand mother was a Rinkle Kumari.
mbhagawat
August 20, 2012 10:21 am
All those hindus who remained in Pakistan which is a islamic nation were to be blamed for their troubles.In the last 66 years after partition when most of the hindus Sikhs migrated to Hindustan they ought to have but they remained in Pkistan at their own will although knowing fully well that in a country of muslims it is unthinkable.Why they dont migrate to India in last 66 years?In a fundamentalist society of muslims where every non muslims are treated as Kafir and liable for conversion to islam or killed their remaining in Pakistan is sadly Mistaken.Now only way is to migrate to Hindustan and live a peaceful life.One Thing we want to say that India is also not safe in many states in WB ASSAM NE Kerala UP Bihar hindus are not safe and they may have to migrate to other states where muslims are still not yet invaded.
rajeesh
August 20, 2012 8:51 am
Hats off to the reporter ..
Ehsan
August 21, 2012 2:59 pm
Good for you. I have stayed in Saudi Arabia for 18 years, you can never become a citizen there for buy land. An Arab will never marry their daughter to a non Arab Muslim. You will always remain an inferior muslim for them. Feel free to feel more an Arab than your fellow linguist across the border.
imdad
August 21, 2012 2:30 pm
I read this article with a HINDU friend. She wanted to tell horror stories in INDIA and other places she had lived. Her comments were as terrifying as this story. We claim to best creation. Human beings the worst kind of animals. Religion, color, race does not matter. We will justify any crime as long as you are not the victim. Shame on all of us who behave like this, In this story shame on Pakistan who are harrowing other Pakistan.
Md.Ahmad Khan
August 21, 2012 2:30 pm
Very True Deepak,They are not true Muslim.Islam never justify forceful conversion. "DILSHIKNEE IS MORE SINFUL THAN DEMOLISHING OF KABA, DILDUKHANA KABA KO DHANE SE BARA GUNAH HAI" THE WRITER SEEMS TO BE A TRUE PERSON RATHER THAN TRUE MUSLIM. Therefore all muslims cant be blamed for sinful act. The Act of those dacoits/terrorist cant be taken into account of all Muslims. so cant be related to act of Islam. Many of the dignified people,intelectuals who have expressed their views seems lacking knowledge of fundamentals of Islam. Islam should not be blamed for the act of terrorist/notorious who are not religious. The slogans of Humanity/brother- hood called by Sufi Saints Khwaja Gareeb Nawaz Ajmershareef, Hz Nizamuddin Auli,HZ. Ameerkhusru ( Mera Pai Ghar ayay o raamji.....) have never distinguished between two religion.They taught them lession of humanity,brotherhood rather than hatredness . One cant find a single instance in the Sufi era. These Deobandees, Jamaati people, wahabees are the root cause. Therefore my dear bros&sisters pls do not see all Muslims with spec. of baisness.
knanjund
August 22, 2012 3:06 pm
Living in denial right ..
G Valliazham
August 20, 2012 12:41 pm
Congratulation Faiza for this story. I am an Indian and a well wisher of Pakistan, who keeps on wishing for the day when Pakistani Muslims and people of other religion there live together in peace and harmony , with tolerence for the faith they believe and practice. The Indian situation may not be perfect, but overall, the Muslims are free and comfortable here. I do pray and hope for, at least the same comfort is assured for the people of other religion in Pakistan in the near future.
TheseusIam
August 20, 2012 1:16 pm
Fiction which has been repeated too often in the real world in Pakistan.
uthmanmalik
August 20, 2012 11:12 am
I am sorry but I want to know from the author who this girl is? I grew up in Pakistan beside Sindhi Hindu family friends and cannot see any relation to this story. In fact just few hours back I was responding to Eid wishes of one of our Hindu family friends. I will like Dawn to clarify if this is a piece of fiction or a real report - because at the moment it is being portrayed as a REAL INCIDENT. p.s. before our neighboring Indians jump on this comment, my question is from the author or Dawn only!
mlpnko
August 20, 2012 12:40 pm
ppp pml anp mqm and all did get my message also pakistan army, pak intell and all of pakistan.
Indian
August 20, 2012 9:58 am
you mean the NEW CAR that runs on water???!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mojo
August 20, 2012 9:59 am
Pakistan was a dominion from 1947-1956 - officially the Dominion of Pakistan. Bengalis like Suhrawardy (Awami League), Mahmud Ali (Gantantari Dal) and Maulana Bhashani had insisted on the new state being named the Republic of Pakistan. Blame the Punjabis, military and bureaucracy for the state of affairs. They also forced One Unit upon western Pakistan.
zaira
August 20, 2012 10:02 am
"islam was spread through sword" the Pope is correct. They are still living in barbarian culture and there has not been any intellectual growth.
Practical
August 20, 2012 10:02 am
If they have shame then they will be ashamed
Jay
August 20, 2012 10:49 am
This is preposterous- Faiza is posting an entirely fictional account and fanning the hatred.
Raoul Ciao
August 20, 2012 10:12 am
the Pakistan of today uses the majority religion as a blanket under which to do despicable deeds - and as the blanket is divine, they think they are getting away with it. No one questions the role of the blanket covering the crime, as that will cause all hell to break lose. Well, forced conversion in the Holy Book or not, it is propagated by the Respected Readers' of the Book, the maulanas later amid major celebrations of bringing in another unbeliever into the fold of the blanket. The wishy washy liberals can't take a stand, the rest of the conservatives join in with silent celebrations (let's act normal outside, but ander laddoo phoot rahe hain...another kaafir converted , yeah !). So, life goes on . Story of Pakistan and pakistanis.
Karachi Wala
August 20, 2012 10:14 am
Qasim, before posting this comment you should have looked in the mirror and felt ashamed of yourself. Do you really want sane people to believe that in " Islamic Republic of Paistan" a Qadyani or a Hindu is given preference over pious muslims like yourself? In reality, your brother pose non muslim minority, so they can buy alcohol and celeberate the conversion of Rinkle Kumari. Again shame on your warped thinking.
Malik
August 20, 2012 10:19 am
Thanks Bro, I am an indian practicing muslim and believe u me i haven't been able to understand the Islam of Pakistan.Some times i thank God for having created people like zakir nayak,who taught logic and sense of Islam.These traditional Mullas might have had me converted to an atheist.I grew up with my Hindu friends(my hostel room mates) and when ever even today i visit their house i don't feel it is any different from mine.
Kaly
August 20, 2012 11:10 am
Excellent.....
A J
August 20, 2012 11:13 am
Hats off to you lady, for writing such a piece! And well, as you mentioned, it may be happening around in your country too. Thank you for looking at things from the perspective of a woman, understanding her pains and yes, for putting into words. God bless you.
sundar
August 21, 2012 3:04 pm
Himanshu , its easy to make generous comments but you are doing a disservice to the suffering minorities in pakistan when you equate condition of minorities in India with Pakistan .. Forget about kidnap and conversion , you know the reason provided for 60 people including women and children burnt to death in Godhra , that preceded Gujarat riots ? that hindus misbehaved with a muslim girl .. last week 60 cops were thrashed by muslims and destroyed veteran's memorials in Mumbai because they were angry at Burma ( and Assam ) after a lawmaker threatened the nation in parliament that muslims will take revenge ... can you imagine that happening in pakistan ?
Tash
August 21, 2012 3:05 pm
Dont judge Islam based on the actions of a few, if you want to judge Islam then read the source. We don't judge Christians based on the American actions in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, or even Iran now. If Islam was spread by the sword why do over 60 million Christians remain in the Arabian continent, why were they not forced to convert? I ask you to prove to me when did our Prophet (saws) force anyone to convert? The first pillar of Islam is "Testament of faith on your own free will" Just because a few people are doing wrong DONT BLAME ISLAM!!!
Roger
August 20, 2012 11:15 am
@Simple Human Being - Your statement about one god, etc. mix religion and culture freely, and in some sense reveals ignorance (and I mean that in a religious sense, not as a personal attack).. I am a proud Indian and Hindu too. But in my allegiance to a certain Order that I think I believe in, I have millions of others who co-religionists (not in the traditional format) who are Hindu, Muslim, Sikhs, Christian, Buddhists, etc. In my own humble opinion, Koran's Sura 2 verse 286 seeks strength for realization of God, and is very similar to our concept of seeking Nirvana. The above referred verse is interpreted along with relevant Hadiths, to imply that there are two necessary conditions to get to paradise being (a) your own 'Deeds' and (b) God's willingness to forgive - which is akin to our concept of Karma and our ways to seek absolution that enable us to overcome our Karma. All religions have foundational, theistic philosophies, For the Abrahamic religions, at the philosophical level, there is a concept of the Absolute God - Allah or the Almighty. Hindu theistic philosophies as derived from the Bhagvad Gita, also does - Advaita and Dvaita - except that Dvaita qualifies it with the concept of duality. On the other hand, for those familiar with philosophical theism, which allows for comparison between various beliefs in God, the concept of personal god - where one personalizes relationship with God or Allah - is prevalent in ALL religions, including Islam. These relationships are eased by the wisdom of certain attributes to that God. Without this personal relationship there is no way the two conditions laid upon the Muslims in Sura 2, Verse 286 can be met. These would be the interpretations derived from Shahi Al-Bukhari, Hinduism enables this via the Hindu-Pantheon - i.e. the Dasa Avatars etc. where we go one step further and ascribe Darwinistic attributes to ALL living creatures. Hence you see Hindu reverence to Lord Ganesh (the Elephant God), Hanuman (Monkey God), etc., but clearly left to the individuals who develop their relationships (read Dr. Radhakrishnan). In Christianity, the concept of the Trinity (especially the Father and the Son) allows for the personal relationship. Similarly, in Shia Islam too, though the attributes for personalization are different from the Sunni traditions - as will be evident from the Nahj al-Bal Agha. All other 'religious' prescriptions - be it the Salat or Sawm for he Muslims, or the Amavasya vrats and poojas for the Hindus are similar.- and are prescribed deeds for personal discipline on the road to that promised Realization of God. Having been derived from different traditions they have been given different forms and names. Beyond these, all other practices are cultural in nature.. it is unfortunate indeed, that we in the modern world do not raise above our own pettiness to realize the wisdom of the ancients. Peace & happiness to all during Eidul Fitr Roger
Nasiroski
August 20, 2012 11:16 am
Very well put, so what needs to be done here?? I live abroad, how can I help any suggestions??
Mohammad Khan
August 20, 2012 3:07 pm
Forced conversion is strictly forbidden in Islam. People who do that, do so through ignorance and of course it's the duty of the Government to stop this cruel act.These people will be cursed in this world and they should be told forcefully that they don't do any service to the Religion of Peace.
bittoo
August 20, 2012 3:06 pm
ZAKIR NAIK IS INFACT CREATING A MORE DIVIDE IN INDIA AMONST HINDUS CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS BY BASHING ALL RELIGION. INSTEAD OF TEACHING TOLERENCE AND TO LIVE WITH OTHER RELIGION AND ACCEPTING OTHER CULTURE HE IS ONLY INSERTING MORE VENOM IN OTHER RELIGION. WAT WILL HAPPEN EVEN IF THE WHOLE WORLD TURN ISLAMIC. DO THE ARABS CARE FOR U INDIAN AND PAKISTANI AND INDONESIAN MUSLIMS, DO ULL HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS IN THE ARAB WORLD. U MUSLIMS MIGRATE TO THE CHRISTAIAN COUNTRIES ISO MIGRATING TO MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND THEN WANT SHARIAH AND BRING UR RULES IN OTHER SOCITIES. LEARN TO LIVE IN HARMONY AND PEACE AND RESPECT OTHR RELIGION TOO.
Deepak
August 20, 2012 9:57 am
Why would people get into this kind of crime against women. Again take the example of Shafilea Ahmed, her story is so sad.
sreejith
August 20, 2012 9:56 am
disgusted, ur name itself shows the intolerance. when you speak about Assam, u say thousands of muslims killed? its definitely no the case . infact Bangladeshi muslims immigrated illegally into Indian states of Assam and west bengal and snatch away the economic opportunities of indegenous Bodo tribal people and demografically overpower them. In the violence in Assam, the foreign bangladeshi muslims as well as ordinary indian hindus suffered. It was not a one-sided case. In Gujarat 2002, the Political parties except BJP kept mum when muslims burnt and charred to death 54 karsevak hindus when they were returning from Ayodhya. This attack on Majority community by minority muslims deeply wounded hindu-psyche and caused Anti-muslim riots in Gujarat. In Kashmir, the ordinary people are killed in crossfire between Army and terrorist infiltrators. Any former muslim is marked for death because he converted to other religion. the British India was divided on the basis of Religion and if anybody is not happy to live in India, he is free to move to Pakistan. Nobody is stopping him. Indeed fanaticism is an evil thing worse than killing. Even Shias , ahmedis and other sects in sunni islam are not safe in Pakistan. What to speak about Hindu, Sikh or christian minorities?
nak
August 20, 2012 9:56 am
Hey - as an Indian I would not say that what is happening in a particular country is right or wrong, though it is my strong belief that ones destiny (religion included) cannot be ruled and written by others. if the things do boil down to that then what was happening in Orissa a few years back is similar to what is happening with Hindus in Pakistan. It would be wrong to say that all is well in Pakistan for non muslims as you form less than 5% of the entire polulation and as the saying goes 'when in rome be the romans' else perish or defect....
rk singh
August 20, 2012 9:55 am
I am sure most Pakistanis get converted the same way.
Vineeth
August 20, 2012 9:50 am
Going by news reports, when Hindu families in Pakistan feel threatened, they try to migrate to India in silence. When Muslims in India feel that their co-religionists in Assam and Myanmar were threatened, they held rallies, thrashed policemen, burned vehicles and disfigured Buddha statue in Mumbai and Lucknow, seemingly without any fear of reprisals. Why this dichotomy, I wonder..
Mojo
August 20, 2012 10:10 am
Pakistan had a 22% non-Muslim population in 1947, but this included both eastern and western Pakistan. In 1971 when Pakistan split it lost most of its population along with a majority of its non-Muslim citizens.
M. Salah
August 20, 2012 9:46 am
digusted there is no conversion in Hindu. Muslim can not be converted to Hindu even if he/she wants. There is no pracise in Hindu relegion. Please read first..
Deepak
August 20, 2012 8:49 am
Hats off to the write for her courage. I belive educated society in pakistan is very much mature and they understand religion more than the people who pretend to be a master of religion. I wish a Safe life and career.
pawan
August 20, 2012 8:48 am
such behaviours of muslims only show that they have outraged islam by justifying whatever countries like usa, israel are doing in and against muslim countries. frankly speaking such attitude only refects lumpen mindset at the cost of islam. shame on you come out of tribal mindset. if ever there will be final war against islam it wont be fought in terms of numbers but through atomic bombs and other technology. also such attitude tentamounts to sadism. at the end of the you may succeed in forcing some more to accept islam but never forget in the process the loss of credibility also takes away lives of many more muslis across the world. brother be wise and grow up otherwise your future seem very bleak.
taranveer Singh
August 20, 2012 9:46 am
again with tears in eyes I am confused who is more beautiful faiza herself or her thinking. both are awesome.
knanjund
August 22, 2012 2:58 pm
Why are participants comparing the situation with that in India , India is not a failed state like the other. Comparison is between near equals
Ehsan
August 21, 2012 2:35 pm
You can't compare India with Pakistan anymore sir. An Hindu can never become the PM or President of Pakistan or head of Pakistani Army. An hindu cannot even be the vice captain of the Pakistani Cricket team !
Dr Shankarlal
August 20, 2012 8:46 am
great article Faiza behn. i realy appriciate ur courage to write such a wonderful story. again aap ki himat ko bar bar jhuk kr salam.
Mohammed Ali
August 22, 2012 9:13 am
These are shameless hippo crates who commit crimes in the name of religion, a pregnant Hindu women constable who died was one among many who was molested in the recent Mumbai Riots by Muslims in the month of Ramadan. they killed policeman and injured 50+ while fasting in the holy month.
Karthik
August 21, 2012 9:17 am
Pakistan has a lot of chinks in its armour for someone who keeps questioning India on human rights abuses in Kashmir. A good daring article. But i dont think things will change in Pakistan. The only option for Pakistani nationals is to get a visa to India and not return back. Better to be an illegal in India than to be legal in Pakistan
Omer
August 21, 2012 2:57 pm
If you just read the comments that the worthy readers have to make you ll find the reason why this all is happening. It is jumping into conclusion without even thinking about the broader picture. How many of the readers have actually read the Islamic teachings themselves without being blinded by what the Mullahs have to say. Islam does not preach coercion in any form. Even in the times of the holy Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) people were never forced to convert. Unfortunately people today never miss a chance at pointing fingers towards Islam for the actions of few individuals or a society. If we Pakistanis as a society have fallen from grace and human values Islam has nothing to do with it. Its only because we have drifted from the actual teachings of Islam that we hear such stories. Even India has problems when it comes to dealing with people belonging to different faiths. If this would not have been a case than Gujrat violence and Babri Mosque incidents should never have occurred. I am in my professional life now and I have had hindu friends in school and college. So much so that i remember a girl in my class who was hindu but she used to get more marks than us in Islamiat :)..and it was not that she was forced to study Islamiat. So every country has its set of probems but singling out a religion to be the root cause of those problems is extremely unfair.
Umer
August 20, 2012 2:25 pm
Think before u write -------- This type of articles might create problems for muslim community in India. ( Not to say that hindus aren't suffering here). This whole issue needs to be dealt with on community level rather than making a fuss on media.
Dingana
August 20, 2012 2:24 pm
Human created axe. Axe falled on his leg. Some cursed the Axe. Some cursed the wood. But non cursed the Human.
SecularIndian
August 20, 2012 2:21 pm
We indians are proud to say that India is the most secular country on earth, even more than the US . If Subramanyams letter is not proof enough, what else is??
Naseer
August 21, 2012 2:40 pm
Muslim forget there basic priciples and teaches of Islam, need to read again in pakistan, hate, hate message spreading, conversion to non muslim, terrorist organisztion spreading from karachi to KP, punjab, sindh, kashmir etc.
memon
August 22, 2012 10:40 am
Instead writing stories the writer should present the evidence to SC so the truth will come our and people would like to know the facts.
Zimbo_Indian
August 21, 2012 2:46 pm
Muslim rulers were generally NOT liberal (Akbar and some Nawabs of Awadh were exceptions). The liberal voices like Bahadur Shah Zafar and Dara Shikoh (Shah Jehan's eldest son) were too weak to stand up to the likes of Aurangzeb and Babar.
nationalist
August 21, 2012 2:46 pm
first of all,let me congratulate and salute Ms.Faiza for such a truth and eye opener article and big applause for dawn as well.I am pakistani hindu living in sindh,whatever reflected in article is 100% true .if u want to contra check the plight of all the hindus who converetd theirselves or were coverted.just give them asylum in neautral country and then ask them whether they opted the islam of their own or were coerced/threatened to do so.Many converted Hindu Girls are sold like slaves and used for other purposes.Those pakistani friends who balme this artricle as fiction,need to unerstand this brutality has been havocked on hindus since partition.THat is very clear from the fact that hindus accounted for 20% of population at the time of partition,now it is less than 2%
Jagga
August 20, 2012 2:15 pm
Well Shame on Indians as well for storming into Golden Temple and killing thousand Sikhs and also filling streets of Dehli with Sikh blood.. Shame on Indians for killing and raping 60,000 Kasmiries since 1990. As the famous saying goes "BAGAL MEIN CHOORI MOUN MEIN RAM RAM"....
mohabbat
August 20, 2012 2:12 pm
GOD BLESS U FAIZA.
Jagga
August 20, 2012 2:10 pm
ohh you meant to say when they fought off the Crusaders who butchered all Jews and Muslim when they took over Israel? And btw they were sent by Roman Popes.. So should say Christianity was spread through sword? No i wont say that because i know it is the people who use religion to fullfill their Satanic ambitions.
rohit
August 21, 2012 8:47 am
Dear friends I think those people who are involving in such incidents are not mentally matured.. friends either they are not matured well or they are unemployed substances having nothing to do. I feel equal respect when i see towards a temple or maszid..
Jagga
August 20, 2012 2:06 pm
I am not sure how much truth this story holds but i can certainly say that Islam does not preach this. This act is done by some crazy fanatics who sees Islam different. This reporter should be asked for her findings. And as for all Indians bashing Islam and Pakistan, this happens in every society, dont forget whats happening in Kasmir, Assam, Gujrat and various other Indian cities. The difference here is the Indian media do not report such incidents. So stop posting these hateful messages.
Malik
August 20, 2012 2:03 pm
how about u killing thousands of Kashmiries and killing thousands of girls the day they r born and killing and discriminating thousand of muslims living in your country
Cyrus Howell
August 20, 2012 2:01 pm
"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, and that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it and to institute a New Government. it is their Right, and it is their Duty, to throw off such a government..." Thomas Jefferson
Guest
August 20, 2012 1:59 pm
Jinnah was more secular than gandhi..when gandhi wanted to bring the Khilafat Movement to india, Jinnah said don't bring religion into politics. Jinnah's dream of what Pakistan should be has been lost
john
August 20, 2012 1:59 pm
pakistan is doomed
Ary
August 20, 2012 1:56 pm
I am a Hindu from Pakistan and Pakistan is more like a Insane society - always comparing with India rather than looking inside. God bless the intorlorance society of Pakistan.. I am not out Pakistan and soon will not be called a Pakistani.
Bohemian
August 21, 2012 8:52 am
What pakistan really needs....and deserves, is plenty of drones flying all over pakistan-not only in the skies of FATA- picking and choosing targets....Do you dare to publish this post?
Rafi
August 20, 2012 1:54 pm
The HIndus in both the countries were thinking the same that Islam is a tolerant and peaceful religion. This is why many HIndus stayed back in Pakistan and Many Muslims were allowed to stay back in India. Now, Hindus In India as well as Pakistan Know better. It is already too late for Pakistani HIndus because they have gone from 20% to <2% of the population, and you now know how Pakistani muslims accomplished this task. Unfortunately, the cancer of fundamentalism has spread to Indian muslims too, and it is just a matter of time when the cancer will kill all non-muslims in India over the next 100 years. There is no cure found for fundamentalism yet just as there is no cure for cancer yet.
ejaz
August 20, 2012 1:53 pm
oh it's fabricated! i thought it was a real memoir!
Shehryar Ahmed, MD.
August 20, 2012 1:52 pm
I am a US-trained, Pakistani doctor and am in no way involved in this Hindu woman's alleged conversion. Yet, the woman, the blogger writing her story and of course, most of the posters, blame 'Pakistan', the entire nation, for her plight. I say to all three: Most Pakistanis are tolerant and good citizens, and I am proud to be one of them. Please, don't generalize or point your finger at Pakistan rather get hold of the turbaned guy who tried to sermonize her. I feel offended and defamed.
Luqman
August 20, 2012 1:52 pm
It's not the write who is creating that bad image of OUR country. It's US who are creating a bad image of our country and religion. We should wake up before it's too late. It's not the Pakistan of our quaid. I want to get rid of these Mullahs who first opposed the creation of this country and now are try their level best to destroy it.
shaoib khan
August 21, 2012 8:52 am
It is all encouraging to read what you have said this is a very thin crust of a veneer but underneath you see the bigotry you have in your country you only have to live there to feel the reality.
raika45
August 20, 2012 1:51 pm
Why is it when such things happen here, no Hindu community elsewhere objects including your fellow muslim countries.Yet when something happens to you muslims like in Myanmar and Assam, your whole muslim umah gets into an uproar.Where is this respect of others as stated by your Prophet? With your such doings and your belsehmy [spelling] law , no wonder Pakistan has no standing in the ordinary man in the non muslim world.
junaid
August 20, 2012 1:50 pm
I don't know Faiza from where you have extracted this story or it is written by you. I have many Hindu friends but I don't think they have been forced by any Muslim in Pakistan for the conversion.
skylark
August 21, 2012 8:53 am
EITHER you write your own history or have to believe other historians of the world. world has changed , i don't know which world you live in but not long ago ,3 millions of bangladeshi wer killed and it was denied by pakistan in staright face in UNO.auragazeb did kill all the siblings and confined father untildeath. i am not here to teach you history lessons but it's completely wrong that islam came before mughal. islam was discovered in7th century and came to india in 9th century with mughal. hindu caste system had nothing to any conversion. then mayawati and whole of dalits still in india would have converted to islam.
Imran
August 22, 2012 9:20 am
Oh sir jee Indians are angels. You people are Gods chosen people. Even Indian dogs are smarter than Pakistani dogs. Indian ice -cream is smarter than Pakistani ice-cream. India is paradise on earth. India is better than USA to live in. Please please please let me in your country. Happy?
Cyrus Howell
August 20, 2012 1:47 pm
Western civilization is the only civilization that liberated man from his illusions and shackles; it recognized his individuality and provided him with capabilities and opportunities to cultivate himself and realize his aspirations. Ibrahim Al-Buleihi Mob rule is not law and order. They are angry because they can never be any more than they are - without aspirations. These are the people who grow up without hope The mob must be very confused calling itself a religion. There are 200 million leaders and no followers. It is apparent God does not want criminals, or slaves either. The barbarians do not want Man's creations - tall buildings and airplanes looming over their heads. Medicine and science are over their heads. They want paradise without working to achieve it. They deserve it because they want it. Mao Ze-dong cursed his father who used him like a donkey and walked away from the farm to found a nation. Henry Ford was a farm boy who believed every family should have a car, and he built an affordable car like India makes now.
Nishan Antaal
August 20, 2012 1:46 pm
Sai Bulle Shah’s Kaafi (Poem) Naa Kaho Kab Ki Naa Kaho Tab Ki Baat Kaho Main Ab Ki Agar Na Hote Guru Gobind Singh To Sunnat Hoti Sab Ki.
Raj
August 20, 2012 1:44 pm
Pakistanis should realize that their forefathers were once Hindus and were most likely converted by force just as in this article. By insulting and mistreating Hindus in Pakistan, they are only disrespecting their own forefathers. I do not understand how people can give up their native culture and heritage and follow an alien arab culture.
Hindu
August 20, 2012 1:43 pm
To indian and especially hindu brothers we are the losers here.We gave pakistan for muslims and still they are growing in india.We cant talk about it openly due to our secular education and things ingrained into us.India was birth place for political correctness.Pakistanis are enjoying that all hindus there are converting to muslims and so are indian muslims.And there next generation will hate hindus anyway.Hindustan is for hindus we dont have any other country.Muslims in India should be prevented from converting Hindus but we should allow muslims to come back to Sanatana Dharma.The opposite of this is true in Islamic countries.We have to maintain good relations with christian and jewish countries but stop missionaries.We have to get rid of caste system which is already non existent in cities and control population.Only punjabis like pakistan and everyone else dont want any contact with them.Solution is to put pressure on pakistan regarding ill treatment of hindus and come on street and protest.Nice article by the reporter to highlight it but pakistan is a failed state breeding with zealots who are killing muslims and non muslims in the name of their perfect man.
SAB
August 21, 2012 9:02 am
Yes afcourse your secular credentials are ingrained in your bodypolitic and history where the very founder of India the great gandhi has been killed by a fanatic (extremist).
Devi
August 20, 2012 1:02 pm
How do I know what the blogger is writing is true or is it just another fig of her wild imagination? I say, the latter.
Mukesh
August 20, 2012 1:15 pm
After reading the comments from my Muslim friends I see that almost all of them are against forced conversions and say that this is not what Islam preaches. But since these things are still happening I assume that there is a bigger section of Muslims who support these acts. Does this mean that a majority of Pakistani Muslims follow the wrong version of Islam?
Avtar
August 20, 2012 12:33 pm
What evidence do you have that US jails are filled with muslims adbducted... Even if your claim was correct you can corrective action using free legal aid. What corrective action can one take in Pakistan when senior officials are gunned down (e.g. Mr Taseer) and so far none has been convicted. In fact, the killer has been praised.
ankur prakash
August 20, 2012 12:48 pm
the biggest problem in pakistan is they only compare there illness with indians. i have never hear forced converstions in india. trust me as a hindu reading this article , makes me wanna become an extremist. you see pakistan once under british rule only had a great an unique culture but it's long gone. until pakistani's realise they ain't arabs. they are asians . they will always suffer. and plz dnt mind me saying and extremely sorry to say so forgive me but with this kind of society ,pakistani deserve to suffer and yeah even the common who doesnt beleive in forcing islam . they need to suffer coz they dont have stomach for standing for wat they beleive. it's seems like pakistan has a fasination 2 become next palestine,and uniquely so they dnt need any israel next 2 them 4 them 2 achieve that they themselves r enough. even if u dnt publish this , idnt care but let me tell my pakistani brothers and sisters dnt whine on your sufferings coz the society u created , u deserve to suffer.
Rumman
August 21, 2012 10:10 am
No reality in it. It is just a shameless propaganda.
Roger
August 20, 2012 12:25 pm
Reading the article left me with a lump in my throat. Not because I am Indian and a Hindu (which I am), but because of the courage that Faiza Mirza has displayed despite a highly vitiated atmosphere - including, in part, some of the highly unwarranted and uncharitable comments from my own compatriots on her previous article. I admire her for sticking to her belief of goodness in the hearts of the more silent majority. More power to you and Dawn.
syed
August 20, 2012 12:23 pm
Thanks for writing very good article about hindu girl,would you write somthing about shia muslims being killed every day in pakistan.
Zalim Singh
August 20, 2012 12:23 pm
Dear all, this reminded me of an incident which took place in 1817 in Morocco. Pl read the story. Even though the circumstances are same, the outcome was different.
@Sharathsam
August 20, 2012 12:22 pm
As an Indian i believe we have no business in lecturing morals to pakistanis .... lets put our own system and houses in order first
Zimbo Indian
August 20, 2012 12:23 pm
Why are the "Oppressed" Muslims of India not migrating to Pakistan? Why is the percentage of Muslims in India ever rising?
INDRA
August 20, 2012 12:21 pm
Hats off Faiza for such eye opening write up, keep it up
VGP
August 20, 2012 12:19 pm
Makes me wonder as to why they have to convert and marry Hindu girls, aint there no muslim girls left in pakistan?
rk singh
August 20, 2012 12:18 pm
Great article Faiza. It pains to read such a sad story.
Modasar
August 20, 2012 12:18 pm
OMG so many indians are commenting on DAWN, what are they doin here?
Zimbo Indian
August 20, 2012 12:17 pm
I would prefer all staunch Indian Muslims to apply for Pak visa and obtain Pak citizenship.
Devapratim Mohanty
August 20, 2012 12:17 pm
When the last hindu has been converted or chased away you can dig the graves of dead hindus and convert them. Actually they are your Hindu forefathers of whom you are so ashamed of.So one last chance to remedy the mistake.
Gerry D'Cunha
August 20, 2012 12:16 pm
O My God - what an excellent eye opening comments - God bless you.
Zimbo Indian
August 20, 2012 12:15 pm
and don't forget Christian Defence Minister AK Antony.
Devapratim Mohanty
August 20, 2012 12:15 pm
These hardliners are doing no good to their nation. A nation is judged by the way it treats its minorities. Changing religion doesn't faith. It prosecutes people. These medieval practices will put your nation back to stone age.
Zimbo Indian
August 20, 2012 12:13 pm
Can you tell me why Muslims are leaving Muslim Bangladesh and taking refuge in (Hindu) Assam / India and (Budhhist) Burma? But Muslims of India (even Kashmir) are NOT migrating to ISLAMIC Pakistan? Does it mean that Muslims find themselves better off in Hindu India than in Muslim Pakistan? In spite of occasional shameful events like Godhra riots in 2002? Is the situation in Pakistan really so bad?
Roger
August 20, 2012 12:09 pm
In the past I always had misgivings about Pakistanis - because I did not 'know' any. But I have since had the good fortune of meeting many Pakistanis outside of India and feel the same sense of warmth when I am with them that I experience when I am with other Indians. I guess I had my own misconceptions in the past. While we continue to call a spade a spade regardless of what happens on either side of the border, it is important to continue with people-to-people contacts and let our own experiences take over - and share what we have more in common than otherwise. I thank Dawn for making this happen via this Board. Good luck to the Lady with the Golden Heart - as another reader on this board has aptly describer her! And May Allah Bless her.
sourabh verma
August 20, 2012 12:09 pm
shame on Pakistan.Shame on civil society of Pakistan This is a symptom of about to die country. In last on decade Pakistan has become 9 th poorest nation in the world. In next one it will surely vanish.....!
sam
August 20, 2012 12:05 pm
this is called genocide...
INDRA
August 20, 2012 12:03 pm
I SAlute FAiza for such courageous reporting , hats off to you
G.a
August 20, 2012 12:03 pm
Pakistan is a far more complex society than this article. Where there is suppression of women there are women fighter pilots; where minorities are persecuted there are Hindu judges, ministers and a strong business community; Sikh military and police officers ; Christian teachers, soldiers, musicians and fighter pilots. 180 million people cannot be painted with one brush.
Devapratim Mohanty
August 20, 2012 11:59 am
These hardliners are doing no good to their nation. A nation is judged by the way it treats its minorities. Changing religion doesn't faith. It prosecutes people. These medieval practices will put your nation back to stone age.
Kantesh,Kumar.
August 20, 2012 10:25 am
I Feel sorry ,for poor Hindu,girls.Their only crime is,they came in this world,and born in a Hindu,family of Pakistan.
FAIR DINKUM
August 21, 2012 10:01 am
This story seems more fictional than a reality.Come off it.This Faiza bibi likes controversies.This is not a fair journalism.
Ali
August 21, 2012 10:03 am
Dear Surinder, Sufis did not represent the snob Royals of the era. There are many Hindus who go to these darbars even today because they have always distributed the 'langar' of ishq.
Jagdish
August 20, 2012 11:54 am
Why are Pakistani's not coming out in large numbers and condemning this forced conversions and injustice in the name of religion strongly? Are rights of non muslims lesser than Muslims? Do they not have dignity?
Roger
August 20, 2012 11:47 am
Taranveer - very well said, and I had the same reaction - a lump in my throat for her courage of conviction in a highly vitiated environment.
Indian
August 20, 2012 11:46 am
Mr.Disgusted you're one digusting fellow who just believe what Mullahs in Pakistan tell you. How many muslims in India have migrated to Pakistan or seeked asylum? Muslim in India have all the rights and more. They constitute nearly 20 per cent of the population now as compared to 12 per cent after independence. I SUGGEST YOU GO TO DUBAI AND TALK TO MUSLIM PAKISTANI TAXI DRIVERS FROM BALOUCHISTAN AND NORTH WESTERN PAKISTAN. YOU WILL KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING ON YOUR COUNTRY TO MUSLIMS. YOU WILL FIND WHAT HAPPENDED IN GUJARAT A MINOR INCIDENT.
Dixit
August 20, 2012 11:40 am
You have given a very beautiful statement Dr. Billah but can you recommend through this site, reversal of conversions that have happend. I have not found a single muslim to say that reversal is also possible while so many of them are condemning the act of force conversion. Why?
T Ahmed
August 20, 2012 11:40 am
Well said, bro.
T Ahmed
August 20, 2012 11:39 am
The Pope, or anyone else who claims he has special knowledge of what God wants, is as big a fraud as any "aalim-e-Islam". The only saving grace is that priests of different religions and sects compete with one another for "religious followings" and so speak out like the pope just did (or, in case of muslim molvis, shoot one another while in prayer).
Nasiroski
August 20, 2012 11:34 am
So what are you going to do about those few that are bringing such shame on your and my religion?? I think I am insulted by those few, don't you?? They are insulting my religion my Prophet and humanity don't you think so??. If you do then do something about it, and if you don't then live with the stigma on your religion it's the choice you are making.
Ram
August 20, 2012 11:31 am
Ms. Mirza, I would like to commend you on your excellent writing! You're a good wordsmith!! Keep up the good work! As for the subject, the facts speak for themselves.
Bharat
August 20, 2012 11:29 am
where do you people get your facts and figures from? how easy it is to forget that a large number Pakistani cities had a very sizeable minority and occassionally a small majority of Hindus. If you think about killing then please do not go past the 4 million Bangladeshis that the Pakistani army killed. If you think about intolerance - then think about all the Abrahamic religions ( except the jews who also do not kill en masse. How can you have a democracy when wholesale censorship continues?
ritu
August 20, 2012 11:27 am
you mean zakir niak who on public platform declares that islam is only true religion and majority of his tolerant hindu countrymen are following false religion? he follows most conservative form islam and think religious violence to save islam is permissible! do you realize this kind of extremist attitude make people of other faith make suspicious of zakir naik, he is not person to whom to a liberal and educated muslim living in pluralistic society should look towards to! He twist the Scriptures of both Islam and Hinduism to convert gullible people to Islam and his popularity is bad news for secular India.
Nasiroski
August 20, 2012 11:26 am
Why this never happens to a Muslim girl with Hindu boy?? I guess it involves a minor risk of elimination of whole Hindu family.... as we are so "ghairatmund".
Adil
August 20, 2012 11:24 am
That is very educated thinking i have seen very rarely on internet. Pakistan is moving towards religious tolerance, although it has not made significant progress yet. However, In Lahore, i know several people of faith other than Islam, and they are living peacefully. These terrible stories are localized in certain underdeveloped and conservative areas of Pakistan who have not received proper attention from the government. Moreover, we can not judge a whole country based on incidents occurring in some or few parts of the country.
Religious Manometer
August 20, 2012 10:31 am
A good article return for promotion of the agenda of foreign intelligence agencies No Clue this writer is one of them. A woman who can leave her religion just because of her internal complications who has no faithfulness with his religion, how can she be faithful to this land. She is rightfully thought to be part of non Muslim country which she is now. Ur GOD and Muslim GOD is different if u can listen. Muslim GOD is defined in SURAH IKHLAAS. AND UR GOD has no definition So dont say abt religion if u dont know abt it.
brahmin
August 20, 2012 11:22 am
Explain how muslim population post independence has gone from 11% to 18% today. Explain how come the muslim majority state of Jammu and Kashmir where muslims are still suriviing after driving out all hindus from the valley. I invite all intellectual pakistani and the gracious and beautiful author to watch the intelligence squared youtube debates and also the debates by david woods and richard spencer on the religion of peace
AHA
August 20, 2012 11:07 am
Those who are doing this do not believe in Allah. They believe in a figment of their imagination .
Vikram
August 20, 2012 11:06 am
Himanshu, do you know of one, just one, instance of a Muslim girl being kidnapped and forced to marry a Hindu in India or anywhere in the world for that matter? India is not perfect, and everyone there suffers from some sort of discrimination or other, but what is happening in Pakistan to minorities is at a diff level...lets have courage to call a spade a spade - ur saying "many muslims may also be feeling the same way as I am doing in some other parts of world , may be in my country too." is plain wrong
TheseusIam
August 20, 2012 1:17 pm
Image? You should worry about reality.
Nishan Antaal
August 20, 2012 1:18 pm
Very well written true story. I hope everyone in Pakistan read this article especially those Mullahs & hope it will touch their heart and soul. Keep up good work Fazia because pen has more power than the guns.
Nayyer
August 22, 2012 11:24 am
Babri masjid, Gujtar killings, Golden tempel and many more can be provided on request
S.Subrahmanyam
August 20, 2012 10:39 am
When Pranab Mukherjee was sworn in as the President of India, we witnessed a Parsi Chief Justice Kapadia swear in a Brahmnin President Mukherjee, with a Muslim Vice President Hamid Ansari, Sikh Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, an Italian born Catholic Chairman of the ruling party Sonia Gandhi, and a Dalit Speaker of the Parliament Meira Kumar in the audience. Our Chief of the Army is Bikram Singh, a Sikh and our Chief of Air Force is Air Marshal Browne, an Anglo Indian Christian. Do I need to say anything more about our secular credentials!
Jagdish
August 21, 2012 2:28 pm
You are trying to hide your shame. The condition of Indian Muslims is much better than what you would imagine. There is no one queuing up for migration to Pakistan.
Zimbo_Indian
August 21, 2012 2:27 pm
You mention Kashmir. Do note that in spite of the "massive" presence of Indian security forces in Kashmir, still Kashmiri Hindus have been forced to leave and become refugees in their own country. BUT THE "OPPRESSED" MUSLIMS HAVE SHOWN NO INCLINATION TO MIGRATE TO PAKSITAN.
Zimbo_Indian
August 21, 2012 2:23 pm
Why are the discriminated and threatened Indian Muslims not migrating to Pakistan?
annas
August 22, 2012 9:31 am
I am deeply moved by this incident as I have never heard or witnessed such type of atrocity in my country. Islam is the religion of peace and tranquility and even our Holy Prophet never opted for such a cruel way of conversion. I understand that there are extremist every where but it is due to the lack of knowledge. I wish if our religious scholars bring this issue to the front so that this false trend is identified and controlled at the earliest.
HJ
August 21, 2012 2:12 pm
U live in denial like most Pakistanis. This is a heartbreaking story which happens ALOT in Pakistan and u have the nerve to deny and portray that the poor girl is NOT a victim. I It is true now.. humanity has left Pakistan and what is left is heartless scavangers like you.
Zimbo_Indian
August 21, 2012 2:11 pm
Yes, the greatest religious philosophy of the world is indeed "Live and let live".
Imran
August 22, 2012 9:33 am
I dont think that it should come as any surpise that so many non-Hindus have reached higher positions in Indian society. It is a fact that the proportion of these minorities is very high in India. If the same proportion of minorities was present in pakistan then you would have seen similar representations in society. So overall it is simple mathematics, India has a much much larger proportion as well as an overall number of people from minorities. I dont think that the 2 countries can be compared in this aspect. Indian Muslims alone outnumber the total population of pakistan.
Naeem
August 21, 2012 2:09 pm
Affordable cars for whom? for that 5 % Haves?( What about 95 % Haves not? compare the GDPs & per capita incomes & God given resources.
Aadil khan
August 21, 2012 2:08 pm
Dr Ahmad, Have you ever been to india ,Do you have any friend in india..I would request you to visit india ..copying contents of Mr Subhrmanyam ...When Pranab Mukherjee was sworn in as the President of India, we witnessed a Parsi Chief Justice Kapadia swear in a Brahmnin President Mukherjee, with a Muslim Vice President Hamid Ansari, Sikh Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, an Italian born Catholic Chairman of the ruling party Sonia Gandhi, and a Dalit Speaker of the Parliament Meira Kumar in the audience. Our Chief of the Army is Bikram Singh, a Sikh and our Chief of Air Force is Air Marshal Browne, an Anglo Indian Christian.
Zimbo_Indian
August 21, 2012 2:08 pm
I have seen Zakir Naik's programmes with great curiosity and interest.. I am disgusted with his insistence on establishing the superiority of Islam over other religions. There is nothing liberal or secular about him.
FNA Gondal
August 21, 2012 2:08 pm
The writer has given only one side of mirror..should have mentioned about so called Muslims killing other muslims in the name of Islam.killing themselves by suicide bombs etc . My request is,, ALL THOSE WHO HAVE COMMENTED ABOUT ISLAM SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT ISLAM IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE PORTRAY MOSTLY... It is the BEST RELIGION which let others to live in peace, harmony,respect all religions,minorities .Seethe sufi saints who came to Subcontinent to give true picture of humanity.That is why people from all walks of life visit their shrines/graves even today (Ajmer Shareef etc). Islam do not preach forced Conversions, even forced marriages within MUSLIM families . Please read Islam before commenting on it by taking example from one incident. See what is happening to innocent Muslims in Burma? Islam says killing of one innocent is like killing of entire mankind....Then those, who are suicide bombers killing Muslims in the name of Islam;;;how can be taken as Muslims ?? I request to all those who gave their comments ..please see Pakistan is passing through a time of forced terrorism spread by Foreign hands in the name of Islam and illiterate Muslims are playing in the hands of so called Mullahs .... SO for one incident , entire RELIGION should not be taken on board. Other wise it will be difficult to live as good neighbors....
Zimbo_Indian
August 21, 2012 2:05 pm
Gujrat atrocities are a shameful blot on Indian societies. But they are an aberration. What is happening in Assam is not a communal war. It is a fight between between local Bodos (who are tribals/Hindus/Muslims/Christians) and illegal immigrants from Bangladesh who have reduced Bodos to a minority in their own homeland.
ROHIT PANDEY
August 21, 2012 2:04 pm
India has a great,powerful political weapon against fundamentalism..and that is secularism..India MUST DEMAND secularism of Muslim countries Pakistan and Bangladesh being the first!!
Manjeet
August 21, 2012 2:04 pm
Absolutely, agree with you. We have problems and the solution for our problems in not in finding problems with others.
JAVED A.
August 21, 2012 2:03 pm
As a muslim I am shamed by this. The right thinking Pakistani and Muslims elsewhere should speak and act against this injustice. We claim to be part of a peaceful and tolerant religion--it is time we walk the talk.
Manjeet
August 21, 2012 2:02 pm
Do you know that Sikhs(Singh) were created to fight Muslims when they were forcefully converting Hindu's to Islam? Forceful conversion has played major factor in the rift between Hindu's and Muslims. Aurangzeb, who is so admired by Pakistan is only remembered for his brutalities and forceful conversions in India. Our opinions are generally biased as we take input from our surroundings. Homogeneous societies does not provide opportunity for self evaluations.
kiran
August 21, 2012 2:00 pm
will the Pakistan fundamentals allow Faiza to live freely in Pakistan
Zimbo_Indian
August 21, 2012 2:00 pm
If you start counting Hindus who made it big in Pakistan you will be left fumbling for names. In India it is commonplace to see minorities doing so well. THAT IS WHY INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE NOT MIGRATING TO PAKISTAN. They are smarter than Pakistani Muslims.
observer
August 21, 2012 1:59 pm
Yes, Local Bodos are being attacked by illegal Bangladeshi immigrants.
ramarao
August 21, 2012 1:58 pm
My dear friend don't you read papers?Hindus are migrating in droves to India from Wagha border, but I don't see the reverse happening
Zimbo_Indian
August 21, 2012 1:57 pm
SAB please remember, Gandhi was killed by a Hindu fanatic because he felt that Gandhi was too soft on Muslims and the new born Pakistan. The assasins (Godse and Apte) were Hindus and they were duly hanged by the Hindu Indian society.
kiran
August 21, 2012 1:56 pm
Let us appreciate the bold and revolution approach of Dawn for bringing atrocities on Minorities of Pakistan citizens.
Manjeet
August 21, 2012 1:52 pm
Have you been to India ? I suppose not. This story is from Pakistan and why you have to see it from India Pakistan prism? Even if I agree with you for a second does that justify wrong done in Pakistan? Is it even fair at all if we remove India and Pakistan from equation.
Manish Tomar
August 21, 2012 1:52 pm
Pakistan was created because the Muslims in undivided India felt persecuted as a minority. Now every minority in Pakistan is persecuted be it Hindu, Ahmadis, Sikh, Shia or Christians. A nation going against the very principle it was created on...
mustafa
August 22, 2012 2:42 pm
well i will say it was a good effort to highlight a ill practice in Pakistan, but to all my fellow Hindu or other religion's brothers this article has miss lead you. yes ignorant Muslims may have done this but this is not Islam and Islam was never spread with sword.
Lateef
August 21, 2012 1:51 pm
No name, no date, no word about police report, no word about talking to Hindu MPA, MNA, no word about minority minister or human rights activists. It is a very good story to put more fuel in the fire. Please learn 'investigative journalism' before taking pen and blaming others for no reason.
Nhz
August 21, 2012 1:51 pm
I cannot forget the GUJRAT Riots ......so called secularism......, but on the other hand I condemn all forced conversion from the depth of my heart. Everyone must have a right to practice his/her religion in all parts of the world..... NOW INDIANs will bash me.......
Imran
August 21, 2012 1:46 pm
So why are Indians queing up to leave it?
ali
August 21, 2012 1:45 pm
sounding not too harsh or rude... the atrocities or intolerance faced by hindus is not only extended to them but also to Pakistanis in general.... the impression that is being given by the writer is that exclusively hindus are subjected to pejorative treatment whereas i believe today all citizens of Pakistan minus the elite and politicians have to struggle in all aspects merely because of the fact that they are Pakistani. living in Pakistan is not only become a herculean task for minorities but is an uphill task for the "majority Muslim" population too.. Worldwide sympathies pour in for the minorities but who is going to highlight the plight of the so-called majority population ... I think its high time we should understand that Muslims in Pakistan too are not living in heaven they too have their share of problems...lets be tolerant!!! And most importantly such cases i believe happen in the rural areas and the mind set of hand ful of people cannot reflect the whole of Pakistan . why is that never have i have heard of some high class Hindu/christian being forced to convert .its not as if no one from the "minority" is not a public figure or belong to the riches. ISLAM has no room for forced conversions and i do believe such acts are being done and they should be stopped and condemned and those involved should be given novel punishment. To the writer do express your views but please don't be such extreme in your writings .. i was ok with your whole article but what just irked was your last sentence !!! calling Pakistan as "intolerant society" do you even know the people who constitute your "intolerant" society have to go through every hour .. they are merely trying to live so please give some credit to them ..and be specific in your accusations and not general ... I belong to a middle class family of Pakistan and feel insulted and hurt by your intolerant comment..
Khurram Akber
August 21, 2012 1:38 pm
Faiza Great Job...Thanks for bringing this issue to light...We need to pay more attention to this and safeguard minorities rights, their beliefs and their lives as we do for any other Muslims. While reading some of the comments,it's a typical out cry against Islam, Don't judge this religion by looking at this barbaric act or any other of this kind. If you want to know how is life in Islam and what it teaches to it's followers, just Read the Holy Book and then comment and if you cant do that just look at the life of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and Khalifa E Rashedin. You will see countless example of how Islam was spread and what it's teaching are. Men are flawed, don't judge their Religion by their acts.
Guru
August 21, 2012 1:31 pm
Young man get your facts right. As a Christian, I have no problems living in India. Also, the mosque in Ayodhia was built upon a temple. Please remember 40 years after the advent of Islam in the fourth century, they plundered other countries, converting other religions to Islam, taking over vast territories including, Persia, Spain etc. Also, India wants nothing from Pakistan, except to be left alone.
Imran
August 21, 2012 1:26 pm
The world's most easiest thing is to do critics. Without having the complete facts, it is the norm of the human and today's culture to do utmost critics. While reading the article and the post and praises to Ms. Faiza (the writer), I will ask Ms. Faiza that how many positive articles she wrote about the lifestyle of minorities in Pakistan. Does she write anything about the minorities in India especially Muslim's?. And many of them in the post who claims to have that India is most secular for minorities, please let us know, what would you say about the Danga Fasad happened in India when a PM wants to increase the quota of Muslims from 5%. If India is most secular then why a Muslim is not allowed to slaughter a cow at their Eid festival?. What do you say about the killings of innocent Muslims in Kashmir? What do you say about the killing of Palestinians? What do you say about the killings of Muslims in Afghanistan?
Satyendra
August 21, 2012 1:19 pm
Appeal to my Indian friends.. I love India no question about it.. but we have our own share of problems too.. pointing out Pakistan doesn't help our cause... we have a long way to go too.. yes we have ministers and presidents from all religions and castes but that doesn't mean that our backyard is clean!! Have compassion people.. common man (both in India & Pakistan) is always interested in his family welfare and to live in peace.. its very bad to brush all the people with same color because of few bad apples..
Asif
August 21, 2012 1:18 pm
Truthful story! But the impression about spreading of Islam by force is debatable. Islam is still fastest growing religion in Europe and around the world. If u analyze the facts then it is not by mughals or saudis or jazia or any reasons that some brothers have blamed in their comments. It is the some thing in the teachings that whoever read, think, accepts the message.
Nafis
August 21, 2012 1:02 pm
People who are engaged in these activities are from the generations that may be forcibly converted earlier as in tribal society usually the heads were taken on board and rest follow the bandwagon.
Raj
August 21, 2012 1:01 pm
why should anyone expect others to change? I think this is where the basic problem starts...
anonymous
August 21, 2012 12:47 pm
Religion of peace? In the name of which religion are most people killed? Ask this question to yourself.
Medicopal
August 21, 2012 12:46 pm
Respected Naeem Sahib, Salute for your comment regarding the "wrong being done and the need of correction". Your observations regarding "hate speech against Muslims and Pakistan" is a bit exaggerated, I read the comments carefully and found that the people from both sides of the border share similar views. I am an Indian and have lots of Pakistani friends who are as nice as anybody else. Your menntion of treatment of minorities in India does also not reflect the truth! Or have you ever heard of Muslims (or any other relgion) being converted to another religion? Muslims in India can't be (anymore) looked upon as a minority - their numbers being higher than those in whole of Pakistan! I agree with you that hatred has no place i a healthy dialogue! Stay blessed -
Tanu Priya Gupta
August 21, 2012 12:45 pm
cnt agree more
Observer
August 21, 2012 12:42 pm
I dont understand the term "illiterate Mullahs/Molvi" There is no such term. A mullah or molvi has learned Quran and know the will of the god as per the book and executes it to perfection. It is blasphemy to call a molvi illiterate. A good Muslim should always follow mullahs no matter how wrong it feels as they are truely executing the will of god.
Humayun
August 21, 2012 12:51 pm
In Islam there is no room for that evil. No forced conversions permitted in Islam. These people who indulge in these evil practices are as distant from Islam as the Hindus, what can they contribute to spread Islam except hate and misunderstanding. They deserve strict punishments and necessary Law should be in place to stop these kinds of most evil and disgraceful practices of forced conversions and forced marriages. The ball is in Govt court now and they must act without delay.
Nabarun Dey
August 21, 2012 12:36 pm
Kya Khuda Ka Khouf Nahin ?
Medicopal
August 21, 2012 12:34 pm
Congratulations to the author of this wonderfully written article, though I'm very surprised that a paper from Pakistan has published it! By doing so, "The Dawn" has risen much higher in my opinion, I always thought of this paper as one of very high international standards. Being a sikh myself, I respect all other religions and faiths as they are. Sikhism is by the way one of the very few religions that asks its followers to do so and this is the only religion that forbids missionary (convert others to sikhism) work. The biggest weakness of Islam seems to be the intolerance towards other religions! The joke is that this lack of respect for others is practised in a harsh way by those whose ancestors were converted to Islam by methods other than conviction. Let us hope that the democratic powers in Pakistan shall someday realise what the value of being sovereign in these matters is!
Hassan
August 21, 2012 12:34 pm
many talked typically Pakistani way, " India kr raha ha to humain b karna chahye", come on guys, at least take the courage to be civilized and humanized. Have the heart to say "yes, its wrong, yes we did wrong and we are doing wrong", do not overhaul the reality. If any such thing is happening in India, Denmark or America or where ever, do our Islamic teachings lack the motivation of still being good and doing good for the sake of HUMAN BEING. are we suppose to do it just because the minorities do not share the same religion. what if the world start pulling Muslims out of their countries and disrespecting the people's right of religion, we will definitely fear living in those countries. that's happening in Pakistan, we have to affirm it with a "pure" heart that Pakistan is a country of Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Sikhs and many other faith bearers. I m with the Hindus of Pakistan. Pakistan is with the Hindus of Pakistan.
Mazhar
August 22, 2012 2:12 pm
True! No body can doubt Indian secularism. There is no other country in the world, which could show credentials. How I wish I could be as proud as Mr Subrahmanyam about my country Pakistan. Mazhar Ali
Devapratim Mohanty
August 21, 2012 12:33 pm
This practice to kidnap,convert,marry( actually rape) people of opposite faith is an invader mentality. It was done in the past to demoralize the invaded population and enslave them and keep them in perpetual fear. No sensible man can understand why should one do it to a population with whom they have coexisted for a century at least. I am sure these men of religion understand the difference between"religion" and "faith". May god bless you my turbaned friend with wisdom and sanity, I am sure the Hindu girls will forgive you with all her heart as you have been a beast to violate their body but little do you know the soul and heart are too sacred to be touched by forced religions.
Jagdish
August 22, 2012 2:13 pm
So Sorry. People are also leaving Pakistan disgusted of sectoran violence and extremism. Pakistan is ranked a failed state
Muhammad Ahmed
August 21, 2012 12:32 pm
This is a fabricated account to highlight what a person might go through in this type of trauma. Author is claiming names and might even get sued if she did not get permission from Rinkal Kumari and used her name. Hmm all the Brahmans took all the Dalits and made them princes and kings. Two wrongs do not make one right but you are talking about politics associated with kingdoms and a better example might be the harmony shown among all the casts, creeds and religions in present day India.
Ismail Abbas
August 21, 2012 12:26 pm
The main reseason of intolerence in Pakistan is that from the very beggining the children are thought that this country is made for Muslims.Now from this teaching the minds gets poluted that the no other community of having deffrent faith is allowed to stay in pakistan. At present Pakistan has become very unsafe for every person of different faith becouse Wahabism is spreading like fire from Madressas and sermons of moulvis who are getting enough financial help from abroad. If Pakistan is to stay, it must opt for seculiarsm and nothing else can save Pakistan from destruction.
Ashok Sharma
August 21, 2012 12:25 pm
I do not know if you get this a lot, but Faiza you are amazingly beautiful, bahut khoobsurat hain aap. Do not know if Dawn shall publish my comment, but yeah thumbs me up who so ever feels so.
True Pakistani
August 21, 2012 12:23 pm
- "islam is the religion of tolerance and equality" not TRUE. are you blind, deaf and mute?
Irshie
August 21, 2012 12:21 pm
yes i do know about Assam. I am form Assam. This was a conflict between two communities in a village-tribal bodo (who are hindus and christians and animist) and muslim settlers, mostly bengali speaking. this is certainly an issue, but its not a hindu-muslim conflict. Its a conflict of land and identity. Look into the reason for the conlfict. Its not state sponsored conflict, nor it was a conflict based on religion.
Akhunzada. ka
August 21, 2012 12:20 pm
Pakistani society is criminalized because the people sitting in seats of power and parliament and political parties are worst criminals of the society.Islam is no consideration in our lives be it of common people or religious people. Islam does not exist in Pakistan for all practicle puirposes then why to blame Islam. atrocities are committed indiscriminately to all poor people be them Muslims , Hindus or others. What we need to do is to change ouselves to become true to our selves and our religious failths and then bring up good people to power so that the justice is implemented in the society. People like faiza worship their selves and they don,t bother for any ideals. Such people can sell their country without a twitch of concious in exchange for green card or pleasing their indian paymasters.
SAB
August 21, 2012 12:19 pm
Aasha, Love stories have not changed, they are same as they were 100s years ago.... Writer's story is based on fiction and devoid of true picture.... majority of Hindus in pakistan are living in Sindh and they are first sindhis and than Hindus or muslims...
Devapratim Mohanty
August 21, 2012 12:19 pm
Dawn has been very brave and forthwith in taking up pressing issues in Pakistan.A very responsible newspaper.I am an Indian and I often think why the timesofindia's online edition can't do the same. I am a faithful reader of your newspaper. Please keep up the good work.
Asghar
August 21, 2012 12:15 pm
The plight of muslims in India is well known so no need to discuss that.I know many non-Muslims people in Pakistan who are working in high-profile companies with no issues at all even in the military esp Sikhs. Whatever the writer has said is story of some illiterate people.Instead of committing rape they are using the religion for getting what they want.i have never heard of such practices in Islam and nobody preaches such acts. For me this is just a one-off incident that happens anywhere in the world with the exception that religion might not be involved.
Sajib Rahman
August 21, 2012 12:13 pm
shame
True Pakistani
August 21, 2012 12:14 pm
- if islam was a TRUE religion non-muslim would convert willingly. there will be no need for FORCED conversion.
wasif
August 21, 2012 12:14 pm
I agree with you jafrees2000, the writer seems biased/ or stands to gain from this purely negative article. Stuff like this happens in india all the time, some muslims in india are athiests... most of them leave and migrate to Western Europe and America. I have friends from hyderabad who swear they will never go back to india, whereas I know two pakistani hindus who say that they love going back and visiting pakistan every now and then. when bjp comes to power the minorities will suffer in india, its just a matter of government... anyhow...
momin
August 21, 2012 12:10 pm
Yes i thought there is no value for minorities in pakistan.But these people are not humen .They doen't know religen is not spred through forcefully conversion.If GOD think it automatically Spread.
Ramzan
August 21, 2012 12:07 pm
Yes sir! would you please mention the Gujrat atrocities and what's going on in Assam.
Siv Ingvild Thirud
August 21, 2012 12:03 pm
Do you realy think that drawing a funny pickture, a cartoon, can be considered a crime? and to be compared to abducting a inocent little girl, and forcing her into something like this? shame on you!
Dr Ahmad
August 21, 2012 1:36 pm
Faiza, Great "Bollywood" story! Have you even been to India? Do you really know how Muslims are treated in India? How many Muslims were killed in Hindu/muslim riots sponsored by state governments in India? Have you ever heard Hindu/Muslim riots in Pakistan? Have you ever seen any hindu temple converted into a Masjid? Did you know Babari mosque in India and what happened to it? Do you know what was the Indian supreme court decision about Babari mosque? Do you know who the first federal law minister of Pakistan and how he disappeared from Pakistan to re-appear in India? My advise to you is read the recent and past history of muslim livings in India and then write something real and meaningful about hindus living in Pakistan. I have visited India twice in last 5 years and have met many muslims there and know quite well their "happy" living in India. Dawn is a Pakistani newspaper and read the comments posted here and guess how many of these comments are from Pakistani muslims. Have you ever read any such article in any Indian newspaper who had also posted comments from Pakistani readers? Dr Ahmad, Melbourne, Australia
Prany
August 21, 2012 11:43 am
I am living in GCC countries including the UAE for last 18 years and have no hesitation to say that Indians are more respected than Pakistanis by educated Arabs. I have many Arab friends who appreciate the contribution of Indians to the development of UAE.
Farhan
August 21, 2012 11:06 am
Dear abcd , I can give u more than thousand arguments with examples regarding the protection given to idolators in our system (ISLAMIC SYSTEM).
Songbird Maths
August 21, 2012 11:03 am
Dear Faiza ..... Please ignore people like Jafrees who are the reason why we are never able to progress in life .... People who are caught up in the past, who revel in keeping hatred alive through keeping this cycle of violence going ..... But I pray that he sees reason, focusses in the beauty of all the good which happens around us ... The Abundance of Good which we fail to see while focussing in all the Bad ..... But most of all I Salute you ... With all my Heart. It is because of people like you Faiza, that the world is such a beautiful and humane place .... Never lose this spirit no matter what you might hear from people who react to your words .... God Bless You !
Voice
August 21, 2012 11:02 am
Well done Faiza for writing the article, as a Christian I have often faced discrimination including being told to keep my cup and plate separate from of the Muslims. This article has shed light on the darkest of stains no Pakistan's image drawn by the radicalism that has engulfed it since 65 years.
jafrees2000
August 21, 2012 10:44 am
.Faiza, I wish if you could also apprise us on the atrocities of Kashimiri familiies . I wish if you could shed some light on the rapes and abduction taking place with innocent Kashmiri girls by armed Indian forces for decades now. I wish you write sometimes about the demolition of Babri Mosque by a mad and fantatic hindu mob. If you want cheap publicity or an Indian Passport there are other ways too. you can join Veena Malik and then humiliate Pakistan on an Indian soil . Did you ever realize how many Bollywood movies have been made against Islam and Pakistan. Did you ever bother to bring this matter to public in Pakistan. Did you say any thing against Denmark or christians when they tried to insult our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH) through some cheap cartoons. Could you explain why Indians are fuelling the sentiments in Baluchistan and provoking them for so called Independance. Have you forgot the creation of Bangladesh by this enemy. Shame on you . Just for some cheap fame and publicity you are getting so biased as you know its easy to sell the bad name of Paksitan these days and there is an Indian Media dying to cash on it.
aroob
August 21, 2012 10:42 am
Is this the writer's own true story? If yes, then the Hindu community in Pakistan and in fact the entire Hindu community round the world should not sit silent. The Hindu citizens have a right over this country, they should stand up for that, and most Muslims here would be supportive. Involve the media; forced conversions are just not acceptable!!
Jit B
August 21, 2012 10:42 am
Why don't the Pakistani Hindus migrate to India or Iran... Iran, despite being an "Islamic Republic" is very tolerant of minorities.. Pakistanis should learn something from them... shame, shame shame on Pakistan - It's hard to believe that you guys were once a part of India..
kamaljit singh
August 21, 2012 10:41 am
Dear S. Subrahmanyam, Yet you have not added CEC in the list who is also muslim.
FAIR DINKUM
August 21, 2012 10:37 am
oh mr suba,Your sonia gandi is a converted hindu. Your army chief a show piece,in fact a helpless. lets talk about kashmiries and their rights.Gujarat massacre of innocents.Now a days in assam. . . some brutality is always there against minorities.You champion of civil rights.I bet in next tow months something else will be making the head lines. . . Dnt prove to be a better human.
muak15736
August 21, 2012 10:00 am
Bitter truth in Pakistan and this all due to bad governance and mismanagement. Our religion never forced any non Muslim to be converted to Muslim. Let the people feel what is right and what is wrong. We have to take measures to protect all the citizens not only Muslims. Each citizens have the equal right. We should respect all religion, culture, people and let them feel safe & secure when they are around you.
Ashish Mittal
August 21, 2012 10:35 am
I would like to thank Faiza for writing this article to show the true image behind the scene. It is very easy to say that a Girl converted to Islam by choice but nobody has seen her tears which shows her sacrifice (Forced) for her Father, Mother and all family members. It is really disgusting when a 13 year girl put behind the bar for Blasphemy law.. 'Jaago Pakistanio Jaagooo '.Now it is only in the hand of new generation to make this country a Jannat or hell. choice is entirely yours.
Dee
August 21, 2012 10:33 am
Don't simply say, I can, but just list them down! Especially names of some PMs, some Presidents, Heads of Army, Security Agencies of Pakistan from the minority community of Pakistan! You indeed need to enlighten us, if we have missed noticing it.
Indian
August 22, 2012 12:48 pm
Yea Shamim, why don't you move to your beloved Pakistan?. Soon you will scream that India is a better than Pakistan after looking at the otherside of life.
ProudEuropean
August 21, 2012 10:32 am
What a show of courage in a barbaric country! In my opinion, Pakistan has lost all rights of existence. A society, which cannot protect its weak, does not have the right to exist, was once said by a great man. Since Pakistan was supposed to be the Muslim nation in the Indian Sub-continent, what are the crores of Muslims doing in India. How long should an uncivilised barbaric nation be tolerated and fed by the world. Isn't it true that all terrorism and evil in the world, one way or other originates from Pakistan, a country which survives on aid. Somehow universe has a way of correcting the wrongs. Look at the number of Pakistanis dying by terrorist attacks, by the same terrorists funded and created by Pakistani governmental organisations.
Mohammed
August 21, 2012 10:31 am
Forced conversion is clearly abhorrent and has no place is Islam. However I am dismayed reading the rants from chauvinistic Hindu nationalists from across the border, who always seem to use articles of this nature as a base for peddling hatred and misinformation. Firstly Islam was not spread by the sword, but spread through Sufism and trade in the subcontinent. Secondly you loose any moral high ground in this debate when you make statements regarding the 'Hindu ‘heritage of Muslims, (claiming that this makes them Hindu's). This is nonsensical, as there have been waves of immigration from central Asia and Persia for centuries. Those Muslim's who did convert, did so hundreds/ one thousand years ago and have no relationship with Hinduism.....even Europe was once Pagan and vast swathes of India Buddhist. I would also like remind you that India's secular credentials are not impeccable, violence against Christian's In Orissa, Sikhs in 84, thousands of Muslim's killed and of course the cultural onslaught of Hindutva. Token appointments to the military/Government of India are no real measure of religious tolerance and secularism academically.
Rashid Sultan
August 21, 2012 10:07 am
Why should it be that a non muslim has to convert to Islam in a mixed marraige even if it is with consent? Why not the Muslim Convert to his/her spouse's religion?
Zalim Singh
August 22, 2012 11:47 am
Hope Pakistanis read this and gain some humanity.
PKR Chowdhury
August 22, 2012 10:52 am
Tahira, you are a genious. If USA, UK , Canada and other developed nations follow your advice, the fanaticism in Pakistan will disappear overnight.
Observer
August 22, 2012 2:33 pm
The Babri mosque was built by tearing down the Ram temple (birth place of Hindu god) like several other temples were destroyed to make mosques. Hindus were requesting Muslims to give them back their Ram birth place (like Kaaba ) but they refused and after several years of patience a mob brought down the mosque.
Jagdish
August 22, 2012 2:26 pm
Beta, baade baade desh (mulk) may chooti chooti baat hoti rehti hai.. On a serious note, these are aberations and not regular happenings in India.. India is ranked much higher in social and economic indicators when compared to Pakistan.
nav
August 22, 2012 10:25 am
how can you say that Rinkle kumaris case was of love marriage. when asked by a TV reporter she clearly denied having met the men before you can watch the TV footage second case young 14 yr old girl abducted and married. how can 14 yr old decides to get married and get converted and never see her family
Jagdish
August 22, 2012 2:23 pm
Muslims in India lag behind in education to other communities like Hindu, Sikh, Christians, etc.... Muslims seem rooted in the past and are hardly interested in learning anything other than Islam... Now education in Madarasas is not going to fetch you a lot of jobs son
asma
August 22, 2012 2:20 pm
i almost read all the comments... and many of indians are recommending this imaginary GIRL in this article to leave pakistan and go to india.. HMMMM wel "imaginary girl..."go to india but before going there.. make sure that u tell them that from which sect/cast u belong... because u know they have shuder, and barhaman, and many of them... and each of them have different social LEVEL... and still they call themselves secular state... VERY IMPRESSIVE...
Jagdish
August 22, 2012 2:19 pm
You said it...There is a different mathematics in the Subcontinent. In India the Muslims have multipled, while in Pakistan Hindus have reduced to less than 1 % thanks to official policy encouraging coercion and conversion to Islam.
Munir Zia
August 22, 2012 2:13 pm
To keep the balance, I would request Faiza Mirza about writing another similar story on Australian missionary Graham Staines who was set on fire alongwith his two kids by a Hindu mob in Orissa (India) who were protesting the conversion of hindus to Christianity. Waiting to listen from Faiza, hopefully very soon.....
Sunder
August 22, 2012 1:51 pm
Quick....bury your head back in the sand, its been out too long already !!
Shafiq Rahman
August 22, 2012 1:47 pm
Thanks to Faiza Mirza for writing this article. As a pakistani it is extremely alarming how intolerant the society is becoming specially in last 10 years. However I think its more happening in the rural areas/villages where there is feudal system and feydal lords push minoroties including hindus, ahmadis and even shia muslims to convert to sunni islam. Ihave never seen this happen in cities where there is law and security for all minorities. I had many hindu classmates and infact were good friends and religion was never an issue. However I grew up in karachi and not 'interior sindh' where this story is from. The chief justice of pakistan Mr Iftikhar Chuadhary who has become famous for his 'anti-corruption' stand can perhaps take a suo-moto action on this issue. I am sure majority of pakistanis will support him.
Jawahar
August 22, 2012 1:35 pm
Its a remote area 1000s of km away from new delhi. but its still better than Karachi i think.
Nadeem Akhtar
August 22, 2012 2:29 pm
This is very unfortunate and enough to give a grave damage to Pakistan and Islam by those self proclaimed Islamists. The relation between Allah and a man-woman is entirely between them. Nobody has any right or role to play umpire or referee between ALLAH and Human. I being a Muslim, consider the conversion of a poor girl like this no less than a sin itself and my thinking and knowledge about islam surely assure me that these kind of people will stand in the queue of cruels like Feron to face there fate on the day of judgement. Can't do anything except giving my heartful sympathy and tears to such poor people. Just want to tell these cruel men that ALLAH is watching their sin and cruelity and will teach them a lesson. If not now then later. If not here then surely in the hell. I am proud of my country India. Inspite of being a minority, I am living a life full of dignity, honor, self respect and success. I thank Allah and feel lucky to be part of a wonderful society. May Allah bless such pakistanis with some sense, humanity and peace. Ameen.
fella
August 22, 2012 1:31 pm
I dont know why you are raving about your so called "secular country" when you have incidents like "Babry mosque". How does that make you feel about your fellow hindus in India? What the article says is shameful but one person or a handful people cannot depict an entire nation. We have good hindu, jews, christian friends and we all respect each others religions and identities. Please condemn the act and the sinners but not my beloved country and millions who do not think the way this person thought. Forceful conversions do not have any grounds in Islam. It is a religion of peace. Anyone acting against the fundamentals of Islam is not a muslim and is doing so merely as an individual and a person tarnishing the image of this beautiful religion and country.
ramarao
August 22, 2012 3:17 pm
Who says that there are no conversions in india!. You can see in You tube a crazy fellow called Prof zakir Niak converting a hindu girl in one minute flat , in a large gathering of Muslims.The poor girl wanted to ask a question, but was forced to accept that Muslim religion is superior to all other religions
Lokesh
August 22, 2012 1:31 pm
Dude, you seriously need to apply for a visitor's visa to India and visit Gujarat. Just make sure that you return back :)
Farhad
August 22, 2012 2:26 pm
building up a story and exploiting others emotions is easy give us a proof of forced conversion. and all the Indians please stop trying to be messiahs as if we are not aware of whats happening in Assam. Youtube is full of videos of how even the elite class muslims are speculated as dalits in so called modern India. Though I by no means trying to justify the wrong by another wrong but these atleast these Indians should create a sense of justice before commenting.
shilpa
August 22, 2012 1:29 pm
kudos to the writer for telling it as it is. it's truly scary to be a hindu girl in the present scenerio in pakistan. forced conversions of their daughters on abduction is forcing hindus to flee pakistan.
Lokesh
August 22, 2012 1:28 pm
Suddenly, there comes such a fantasy of argument which is now where near to truth. You aren't even an Indian citizen, eh?
CMA
August 22, 2012 1:15 pm
Ali you are write i feel amazed at these young Pakistani writers who project the Indian viewpoint and speak against their country and enjoy the comments of Hindu writers praising her writings.
Gautam
August 22, 2012 1:08 pm
MANOJ KUMAR PANJWANI
August 22, 2012 1:07 pm
Hats off. The article reflects the real smell of injustices made within. I salute this reporter of Dawn.
ikj
August 22, 2012 1:09 pm
I do not endorse this. I feel sorry for her and for myself too because there is nothing that I can do for her. However, it is wrong to malign Pakistan and Islam here. Forced conversions happen everywhere around the globe; come on you can’t just pick on one country for it...the Pakistan nation is in doldrums since day 1 and Islam is widely misunderstood here. The people here are whimsical they do not fear God at all. In India, the Christians and Muslims fear for their faith and lives, alike. Even the Sikhs are tortured at times because they’re monotheists. Many incidents of forced conversions are reported from the West and Europe. You need to extend your horizon and instead of using media as a war tool use it to end oppression, wherever found. Any religion is better than none.
Tahir Chaudhry
August 22, 2012 12:57 pm
Sharib786 ; You should be ashamed of yourself. What kind of a monster you are?.
Human
August 22, 2012 12:56 pm
Zeeshan, first read the articles about Gujarat riots. Who started it first place? Can you provide a list of demolished mosques in India and a list of Temples demolished in Pakistan?. we can easily compare who is doing more harm. We are not living an isolated world compare to your country. Your comments clearly stats that you guys are not even studying about your own country's history. What a pathetic soul you are. If you guys are this adamant then soon you will be living in an isolated world.
Imran
August 22, 2012 12:56 pm
The moment I read this great Article I knew that this would be one of most debated article for dawn in recent past... Good article. close to reality. and let us accept this fact about Pakistan and try to help minorities. then only we can be true Muslims
taimur
August 22, 2012 2:47 pm
Very sad to read and my all sympathies are with those ladies who were abducted and forcefully converted. I strongly condemned such happenings, but let me clear to my indian brothers and sisters that Islam does not allow at all force conversion and you will find such happening very rare in Pakistan. Now lets come to India, what about Muslims massacre in Gujrat in 2002, in which approximately 1000 muslims burnt alive and more than 200 mosques were burnt. What about christian massacre in 2008 in which hundreds were burnt alive, young women and nuns were gang raped, almost 3000 houses and 400 churches were blazed to ashes. indians for God sake, please dont compare Pakistan with India, Pakistan is much much better than india, people of Pakistan have never done such brutalities which u have done in the past and are still practicing, secondly if islam had been spread with the sword then u would not find any hindu in the subcontinent, only 13.4 % muslims live in india and that too with very poor condition and they are not allowed to elite class of hindu majority societies. Please stop discrimination.
Zalim Singh
August 22, 2012 12:28 pm
Excellent article Faiza. i think conversion of Hindu girls is a real racket in Pakistan. If only conversion is a issue- why do they have to marry off that girl immediately? Some times as small as 12 years. Even though I think 18 years is the marriageable age in Pakistan. They could send her back home as a Muslim- to preach her parents the new religion. I guess husband is to keep her in line and stay in the fold forcibly as a sex slave. Which proves the often thrown accusation at Islam. It allows sex-slavery. Can anybody deny it? I am from Hindu religion. I will not allow Hindus do such things, even if my religion becomes extinct.
knanjund
August 22, 2012 12:18 pm
Yes , Indians are very much moved at seeing the plight of a pakistani
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
August 22, 2012 12:02 pm
My dear brother forcefully conversion is forbidden in Islam. It is all being done by so called Islamic Fighter (JIHADIES) who misguides the illiterate persons.
Afsar Malik
August 22, 2012 2:28 pm
Good for you Mam. Please enjoy your talibanized society.
Rizwan Razvi
August 22, 2012 10:04 am
Sharib786, Pakistani citizenship is not defined by religion. Our beloved country will never progress as long as the majority continues to oppress its minorities - wether they are religious minorities, or minority sects within Islam, or ethnic minorities.
Ahmed Saleem
August 23, 2012 12:23 pm
Zakir Naik is neither Anti Pakistan and Anti Muslim. This is a strange news that he is so.
shankar
August 24, 2012 12:25 pm
So what? If you are deeply and really in love get converted. Dont post lies. In India so many Hindus get converted into Islam to marry Muslims and vice versa.
Ahmed Saleem
August 23, 2012 12:15 pm
A Muslim worth the name cannot think of doing such a thing as stated in the story. The writer should have thought of the adverse reaction to such a fiction. Islam was never spread through swords. Had it been so Delhi wouldnt have been Muslim minority area. I am a Muslim and I cannot dream of converting anyone against his or her will. There may be some unfortunate incidents here and there, but it cannot be termed wide spread and alarming. It is the responsibility of the State to protect the citizens of every Faith and culture. There must not be any sense of fear among any citizen of any Faith. Every citizen of this State is free to practise the Faith of his or her choice. No preacher has any right to convert anyone to his Faith forcibly. Abductors are criminals and they are out of the fold of Islam.People who support them in any way, whether he is a turbaned man or otherwise, are also criminals and they have nothing to do with the Faith of Islam. I would humbly request the readers of this fiction and the honourable writer not to malign or defame the Faith of Islam in this way. ISLAM DOES NOT ALLOW SUCH CONVERTIONS AND THE FAITH DOES NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO DO SUCH SINFUL ACTIVITIES IN THE NAME OF THE FAITH. sTATE MUST TAKE NOTICE OF SUCH ACTIVITIES IF AT ALL THERE BE ANY.
ramesh
August 23, 2012 12:13 pm
islam is the best religion followed by the worst people , burnad shaw
tsreddy
August 24, 2012 12:23 pm
Percentages would not be right. let me state it in a different way. How many Hindus were there in total in Pakistan in 1950 and how many are there now? Also, how many Muslims were in India in 1950 and how many are there now? Answers to these simple questions would settle all the unnecessary debates. Thanks for your reply
deicider
August 23, 2012 11:44 am
Can you name a few? You see there is no forced conversion in Hinduism because our religion tells us very clearly that you have to be born a hindu you cannot be converted into one.
Aditya
September 2, 2012 3:31 am
Hi All, our dear sister Fazia has been featured in Ibnlive program called Nobody's Countrymen
SK
August 23, 2012 11:23 am
Yep, Hindus were safe in Kashmir. That's why 400,000 were thrown out in 1990.
shankar
August 24, 2012 12:21 pm
Good. Funny where do you get such stories. Muslims have attained high positions and achieved so much in India. Think you are already brainwashed and ready to go on a jehadi trip. Be careful dont come back to India or you will be shot or behind bars for lifetime.
Abdul Qayyum
August 23, 2012 11:21 am
The act of forceful coversion as stated in the story has no backing of Islam. A Quranic verse reads in Arabic as: 'la ikraha fid-deen' which means that 'there is no compulsion in religion' i.e., you cannot be forced into believing. Faith has to be accepted through one's own sweet choice. So, this is a story of the strong apes suppressing rights of the weaker ones out of their lust, greed and satanic inclinations. Similar phenomenon is observed in all ignorant sociaties including high high caste hindus vs Dalits in India, Buddhists vs Muslims in Mayanmar, etc. This is a matter to be evenly highlighted in every society without blaming Islam, Hinduism, Budhism, Christianity, etc. Instead as quoted above, we may draw support from religion. I repeat the Quranic verse again: 'la ikraha fid-deen'.
SK
August 23, 2012 11:20 am
India is a secular country, thats why 400,000 kashmiri pandits were thrown out of Kashmir in 1990. India is a secular country that's why Azim Premji runs WIPRO, and is the second richest person in India. India is a secular country, that's why our biggest bollywood stars are non hindus. India is is a secular country, that's why we all look up to APJ Abdul Kalam!
SK
August 23, 2012 11:13 am
FYI they are hindus fleeing Bangalore because of threats from other communities...read up the facts before commenting please.
aijaz ahmed
August 23, 2012 10:02 am
Mr Qasim they all got such positions because they would have paid big bucks.... and the good media is the one that represents the true face .... and write the truth about society..... write false and glorifying for nothing will not change pakistan.....it is high time that muslims of pakistan start thinking straight...
aijaz ahmed
August 23, 2012 9:58 am
Mr Pakistai wake up......and accept reality.....come out of your religious shell and start using your brain.
Solitar
August 23, 2012 9:59 am
Congratulations! “Memories of a Hindu girl” yielding to the Greek philosophers’ concept “words leave tremendous effects on audience” has brought forth fascinating insights into fears amongst non-Muslims and prevailing chaos and unrest in the form of Islam-phobia in Pakistan. If for some like Wittgenstein it appears to be merely a game of words or a speculation they must concede to the fact that the words speak louder than words. In the near past Governor Taseer’s homicide by his guard and garlanded on his brilliant success (for the same minded), Shahbaz Bhatti’ brutal assassination, a malang on fire (mystic) in the district of Bahawalpur, a 14 year old Hindu girl abducted-forcibly converted and 11 year old Christian girl subject to down’s syndrome accused of blasphemy law have left remarkable stains on the face of Pakistan, questions to the world at large and shame to the responsible personnel in particular. The head of the state of an Islamic Republic Pakistan along with the Chief Justice have failed in ensuring justice and bringing forth peace and harmony in the land of the pure. Why do you let the WEST down your EGO by making your realize your deficiencies?
A1-Pak
August 23, 2012 12:59 pm
Urban Pakistan is different from Rural Pakistan..... Horror stories against women of all faith are heard every day. For Rural Pakistani women... we need a revolution to throw away all the cults and apply the law of the land.... I worked in a call center in Karachi. Young minority girls and guys are thriving... they are making good money... we have dinners together.... Author has a great responsibility to portray Pakistan as a society correctly... Author is no different than other self incriminating, get quick popularity by bashing your own kind to please the west type. Our eyes are open we know there are horrendous crime being committed against women regardless of the faith.... do something about it!!!
Aslam Bhai
August 23, 2012 1:03 pm
Muslims in India are not being forced to convert. Their Girls are not being Abducted to convert. What is happening in Pakistan in not correct.
Munir Zia
August 24, 2012 12:52 pm
Rahul, answer to your query lies in "story on Australian Missionary Graham Staines who was set on fire alongwith his two kids by a Hindu mob in Orissa (India)". Please go through this news and get the answer.
Aslam Bhai
August 23, 2012 1:06 pm
I second that Hari Bhai.... Being a Muslim from Mumbai i complete agree to what you are saying.
shankar
August 24, 2012 12:15 pm
Are you Indian? Doubtful. Muslims are equal citizens in India.
Rohit Shetty
August 24, 2012 12:15 pm
India rulers were Babur, Akbar
Vishnu
August 23, 2012 1:19 pm
Oh please. When Muslims are engaged in it, then there is all the backing in the world, else the story does not resound with it. Listen to yourself speaking atleast. You are not a minority so you do not know the emotional distress this thing it alone causes and once on the verge to convert someone a fundamentalist/hyperactive Muslim will actually exhaust him/herself to do so resorting to threats that is true because I myself am a victim of such nonsensical religious fervor. I raised this coversion issue with my muslim friends and at my own insistence It is all nothing but the game of might is right at the end. My good friends have been muslims who have told me to read every scripture and make a choice on your own.
Umer
August 23, 2012 1:34 pm
i know how bad it feels when the urban residents read about such things happening in rural area of Pakistan. But that doesnt change the reality of what is happening to hindu girls there. If muslims are subject to such voilence in india even then it is not an excuse to do such horrible things to Pakistani Hindus. "La ikraha fid deen" - there is no compulsion in religion. Why? why the hell the so called animal mullahs (not all ofcourse but the most) ponder over this lesson of Quran instead of abducting helpless girls. This flaw is to an extent religious but has to to do significantly with Law and Order of our country, the polictical situation, Education and awareness level etc. We can only hate mullahs (not all ofcourse) but cannot change them. Therefore we need to change what we can - Elect a political party that does not discriminate in providing cheap and easy justice, make everyone follow the law regardless of their religion, status, caste. This is the least what we can do for minorities in Pakistan, They are Pakistanis & Humans.
Vishnu
August 23, 2012 1:27 pm
Yet, in India, I have not heard of forced conversion to Hinduism after the Arya Samaj, but that was ages ago.
Vishnu
August 23, 2012 1:26 pm
Sorry I would humbly disagree with that. There are a series of rituals in Hinduism that can allow conversion or leave from the religion unlike Jewish or Muslim religion respectfully.
Maira
August 25, 2012 1:35 pm
pls go and read "who killed Heman Karkare" and then get enlightened… ==Who Killed Karkare? The Real Face of Terrorism in India, by S M Mushrif, the former IG police, Maharashtra== ...It was the Malegaon investigation by Hemant Karkare and his team of Mr Kante and Salaskar, which led to the most startling revelations. It established beyond doubt that all the blasts referred to in the book were the handiwork of Hindutva extremists. The group of planners and executors started with the Intelligence Bureau (IB) of India, and included Lieutenant Colonel Purohit of Abhinav Bharat, Sadhvi Pragya Singh of the Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP), and others from Jagran Munch, Bajrang Dal, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and many other members of the Sangh Parivar, plus a bunch of ‘Swamis’ for religious cover…… go and read on
roy
August 24, 2012 12:45 pm
there should be more people like u in pak, atleast u admit there is a problem with the forced conversions........many hindus from sindh overstay and refuse to go back to pak in india. What is with islam and conversion? who are theses people who do such acts? I wonder, inspite of all communal voilence now and then India is relatively free and democratic in freedom of religion, I participate happily with my muslim frnds in Eid, (plus the food is gr8) and they reciprocate in deewali and other stuff.....most minorities are relativley safe here, especially when muslims make a sizable vote in many regions of india
A1-Pak
August 23, 2012 1:41 pm
Yes.... but they are burned in thousands... worship place demolished.... discriminated against in all walks of life and completely brainwashed by their hindu rulers
Maqboolfida (@Maqboolfida)
August 27, 2012 9:57 am
Correct..it is the law of karma..nothing to do with religion but justice...and no one can escape it!!
Maqboolfida (@Maqboolfida)
August 27, 2012 10:00 am
As always there are dumbos everywhere...religion is for people, people are not for religion...if you want to follow religion fine your perogative...but don't improse it on others and don't go killing or converting people just because your religion says so!! The guy is not against religion, just that religion does not rule him...he can be a devout hindu without worrying about others being like him or not!! Do you get it?
Bhavin
August 27, 2012 9:56 am
Mr. Syed Muslims live peacefully in India, there are no atrocities happening on them, forget conversions. its completely wrong when you say "We should not be justifying any of this just because what happens in India with muslims"
naeem khan Manhattan,Ks
August 26, 2012 1:19 am
It is a heart wrenching article, I wonder why we have come to this stage,where intolerance is so prevalent in our society any more.It all started right from the inception of Pakistan, somehow the leadership could not rule the country without whipping one community or the other. I wonder if Mr. Jinnah is rolling in his grave to see his beloved country tuned into a nightmare.
manish
August 26, 2012 5:52 pm
@ tej: firstly, i beg your pardon for responding so late. but, then tej, what is the fetish with respecting god. why is it that we can't just go about living our life, helping others, and i think that would be sufficient respect to god itself. again, if our riding car, and boarding bus, disrespects god, then we can overcome it by planting more trees, ensuring afforestation. besides, the difficulty that distancing of god from ourselves creates, is at the front. can't you see, the intolerance pervading our daily life. do you really think when everyone, is getting killed for no reason, a real god would stilll have the indifference to sit coolly seeing us suffering here. also, i know the meaning of abhramnic , if you can specifically point out to me, where i have fumbled, i would be glad.
Syed Jafar
August 26, 2012 1:21 am
Honestly - we are all humans. One bad should not lead to another. Very sorry to hear Faiza's story. We should not be justifying any of this just because what happens in India with muslims or in any country. We should be above this and see how we can participate to fix things and do the right thing. This whole pointing fingers and justifying bad actions leads to chaos and nothing gets resolved. Lets all of us become better human beings and live respectfully with harmony and tolerance.
Zimbo_Indian
August 23, 2012 1:42 pm
The events of Gujrat on those three days in 2002 were true. Stories like the one you narrate were also true. But it is also true that huge sections of the Indian middle class (mostly Hindus) spoke out against the atrocities and fought for justice for the victims (and still do) against the Hindu taliban. Fortunately, such atrocities do not have legal sanction unlike the Blasphemy Law of Pakistan and Magisterial approval of conversions which are so obviously forced. Incidently, the Gujrat CM, Narendra Modi, who presided over the 2002 massacre, is considered to be the most honest and upright leader and the best administrator that the country has ever seen. Industries are falling over each other to relocate to Gujrat from other states. (contd ...), ((cnntd)lawoorder is the
Jagdish
August 25, 2012 7:37 am
Pakistani hindu's gratitude to Muslims and Government in general?? For what?? For letting them be alve?? Cant believe people like you exist in today's age !! This is the height of insenstivity.
Khalid
August 25, 2012 3:13 pm
Dear Fazal, It is people like you who make me cringe. I am so ashamed to be a pakistani and even more ashamed to be a muslim from the same country where this happened. Do you not feel this shame at all??. If this would be your sister or daughter would you still have the same stance???.
Truth
August 25, 2012 8:54 pm
My comment is not about Islam or Hinduism or Christianity or even Atheism. "Why the heck does one have to believe/not beleive in God ?". Why dont humans just mind about themselves and dont bother about what others believe in ? After all it is belief system (which means it is not a fact based ! and hence no concept of right or wrong). So, why not TREAT IT SO !. Do you guys fight over what you believe in as far as "aliens" are concerned ? These belief systems dont have to be shoved on people throats and they should be banned from human society !.
Ravi
August 27, 2012 5:40 am
joke of the century ..!!
Obama
August 25, 2012 1:16 pm
What if every Muslim girl abducted in Christian countries, converted and married to a Christian Guy...and kicking out the Muslim males from the countries?
SCB
August 25, 2012 1:16 pm
Please note that whenever people in power want to prove you as wrong, it is not necessary to be Muslim, Hindus are also victims of such act (I know one such case happen nearby my locality in Jammu & Kasmir), but now use of technology can help innocent people to survive in India better.Incidents of forceful conversion by some Kashmiri muslims after forcefully marrying Buddist/Hindu girls from Leh, Kashmir and Jammu area reported by Media time to time. But Hindus are always better because they do not force anything. I live in J&K and better understand Faiza Mirza. But after forceful conversion she can re-convert to Hinduism, if she so desired. Moreover, it is her responsibility that she teaches her kids about good religion and her forceful conversion.
taranveer Singh
August 25, 2012 12:15 pm
PakistanI people like adanan Sami Veena Malik are freely living and earning in India. rahat fateh Ali khan also stay in India maximum. paksitani people can never let Indians stay in pak like that.
BITTOO
August 26, 2012 4:12 pm
THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF PAKISTAN TO FALL APART.GET SOME INSIGHT FROM HASSAN NISAR, NAJAM SETHI, MARVI ETC AND U SHALL PROGRESS. THE MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD AND IN PAKISTAN ARE GETTING THE SAME TREATMENT THAT THEY HAVE DONE TO NON MUSLIMS OVER THE DECADES AND CENTURIES.
Vishnu
August 25, 2012 8:04 pm
Half baked ideas and half of an interest that is weaning in nature always comes from your end Mr. Abdullah. Why do you wage conflicts when you cannot resolve them and when you know you will always be at a loss in their regard... :)
sanjay
August 26, 2012 4:01 pm
Fazia now i realise pen or writing has no boundry.Please keep doing the good thing.God bless you.
SCB
August 25, 2012 1:25 pm
to Zeeshan. In India, Muslims are getting reservation as per their equivalent caste for Hindus as Other Backward Class or Schedule Cast / Schedule Tribe. Reservation is not as per religion (Hindus or Muslims or Sikh or ...). Please check with Govt Officials for further information.
Maira
August 25, 2012 1:24 pm
Isuggest that you read who killed Heman Karkare to get enlightened… =Who Killed Karkare? The Real Face of Terrorism in India, by S M Mushrif, the former IG police, Maharashtra= It was the Malegaon investigation by Hemant Karkare and his team of Mr Kante and Salaskar, which led to the most startling revelations. It established beyond doubt that all the blasts referred to in the book were the handiwork of Hindutva extremists. The group of planners and executors started with the Intelligence Bureau (IB) of India, and included Lieutenant Colonel Purohit of Abhinav Bharat, Sadhvi Pragya Singh of the Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP), and others from Jagran Munch, Bajrang Dal, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and many other members of the Sangh Parivar, plus a bunch of ‘Swamis’ for religious cover……read on....
AM
August 26, 2012 8:37 am
What about lakhs of kashmiri pandits who have been displaced from their homeland by muslims? I know of some whose relatives were raped and killed. What about the inccessant infiltratation of illegal bangladeshi muslims? What about the innumerable terrorist attacks on the Indian soil in the name of jehad? I wish they truly knew the meaning of "jehad". Saifi, if you feel unsafe in India, you are most welcome to leave and settle either in UAE/Middle East or Pakistan. You will come to know the difference. Fundamentalism has driven muslims to conduct such henious crimes.
Maira
August 25, 2012 1:32 pm
o yeaH... Respect of women is taught in Bollywood only.... That is what u call respect....
Maira
August 25, 2012 1:28 pm
haha ha ha.... what a joke
Syed Jafar
August 26, 2012 3:49 pm
Very well said...
alien brahmin
August 26, 2012 9:38 am
its wrong , at the wrong time at the place !! she should not have used a public forum or site to speak truth of pakistani society . but i am eger to read her article on the killings of shias , ahamedias and minorities in pakistan . inshallah !
Gaurav
August 26, 2012 7:24 am
thousands?? really? You are not a big fan of reading, right? Govt. jobs are reserved for Hindus? Sorry but they are reserved for the historically backwards and downtrodden, irrespective of their religion. Getting a job or education is as tough for a Muslim as an upper caste Hindu. So, please dont post random facts and comments. And Muslims do get to good colleges and jobs. My college is one of the best in the country and I have many Muslim friends studying in my batch. And its not like they are super rich or something. People like you don't or probably can't work hard enough for a good life and so spend your time abusing the majority and the government.
Aly
August 26, 2012 6:58 am
Wonderful we now have our own Pakistani version of "Dairies of Annie Frank", well i can't wait to see it turning into another blockbuster movie, depicting the plight or should i say genocide of the Hindus in Pakistan, or should i use the word "holocaust", Well done Miss mirza, but must watch out for a plagiarist who might rip off your original peace of imagination and turn it into a blockbuster hollywood / bollywood screen play, in that case i guess royalties should go to you as you are the first person to come with that story, well didn't we need that heroic story to break, kudos for championing "rights", at the "right time" at the "right place"
Ankit
August 26, 2012 6:46 am
Hats off to author for her audacious article portraying the true face of Pakistani majority society towards the weaker minority. I am thankful to you - FAIZA MIRZA. it is so painful at heart to know such a situation of HIndu society in Pakistan. I pray to my God to save all the HIndus in Pakistan.
chandra
August 27, 2012 4:45 pm
heart wrenching story. please migrate to any other country as soon as you can. I do not know what is left for any hindu's to be staying there.
mushtaq shopiani
August 25, 2012 12:29 pm
why most of muslims are crimnal dear i will answer u. recently the the sachar committe in its report has said that muslims in india are systamaticlly discrimnated and the condition of muslims is worst than than dalits. they are systamatically being denied the avenues of employment and harassed by majority especilly the police, thus crimnalism is the only option for a muslim which can provide him security as well as ecnomic benfit
raju
August 26, 2012 12:26 pm
abdullah,this hatred is nothing new. We Indians hate all pakis. You are nuisance people,terrorists.
Mridul
August 27, 2012 1:18 am
wow! you have no clue about india, do you? pathetic....
Kaly
August 25, 2012 4:55 pm
After a thought, I came to the conclusion that the root cause of all the problem is invasion of Arabic people to India, before that all India, including Pakistan & BD were full of Hindus only. Then some people got converted for different reason, then Hindu-Muslim conflict, then creation of Pakistan and so on.... Am I right?
Thomas kalappura
August 25, 2012 5:20 pm
One should have freedom to choose his way of life including religion. How can one force another to convert / You can go on praising your religion and god, but have tolerance to others by allowing them to practice what they believe. Who has authority on God and his teachings. The authority should be one's own mind and conscience. But islamists do not agree, as they believe in numbers without realising that the forced ones are not at vall believers but fakes just to escape torchure Thomas kalappura
David M
August 26, 2012 8:12 pm
You are against religion yet call yourself a Hindu. Is that hypocrisy or just plain mumbo-jumbo?
Shujah.A.R
August 25, 2012 9:40 am
Dear Brothers,plz don't abuse each other.Ours is a very short life and try do some thing beneficial to others.Islam never support forced conversion and strictly prevented.If some one does,doesn't mean that Islam support it.All religion says good deeds but practising and following matters the difference.Don't judge amy religion by seing its followers and if you want to know more about Islam read translation of Quran and you will find a conclusion. One last suggestion- don't believe medias coz they are only doing marketing, no other sentiments.Half of their news are fabricated and market oriented.
David M
August 26, 2012 8:21 pm
Speak for yourself, Mr. 'Congeniality'! From: An 'Indian' Christian.
n p singh
August 25, 2012 9:47 am
wah !! N P SINGH
Sameer
August 25, 2012 8:03 am
I bet your are not an Indian muslim. And yes, India is infinite times better. You speak of Gujrat, but conveniently forget that more than 50 hindu pilgrims in Godhra (Gujrat) were burnt to death by frenzied muslim mobs. No muslims came out in protest to condemn it. What then followed was retribution by the majority community, which is again condemnable as two wrongs dont make one right. The Police brands you terrorist, eh? Have you checked why? Most criminals are Muslims why? even when there are more than equal number of derived and destitute hindus. You always live in denial and have persecution complex... you always feel others are out to get you. Please dont be schizoprenic. If the whole world is against you then it is for a reason. Your rant seems like "Duniya kehti mujhko pagal may kehta duniya ko pagal" .
Maira
August 25, 2012 1:11 pm
coz many hindus found that Islam is the only true religion and they converted. If you guyz also read about kalki avatar, then you might also find the light.... Peace brother
Sameer
August 25, 2012 8:21 am
You obviously have no respect for women and humanity.
uzair
August 26, 2012 1:44 pm
and i pray to God to save muslims and christians in India as well.........from being converting to hinduism or from being burn alive or from being rape of girls and women in India situation is much better in Pakistan rather than India...
vivek
August 25, 2012 5:22 am
@Zeeshan: bt still In India there is far more better situation than pakistan.Thats the reason muslims in India is more in no ,because they are safe & protected.They are more educated & growing opportunity is more in india that pakistan.India is democratic but pakistan is relogious country
abdulazeez
August 25, 2012 5:09 am
@shankar , zeeshan is not indian he is a pakistani.
Rj
August 25, 2012 4:38 am
Spot on!
NRC
August 25, 2012 4:26 am
Much as I respect ur thoughts as a noble human being, pl. be careful of airing them or u might meet the same fate as Akbar Bugti!
Human
August 25, 2012 4:25 am
People don't become healthy just by changing cloths. I believe the purpose of a religion is not to convert others (i.e change from one set of clothes, rituals, belief systems etc. to another set of clothes, rituals belief systems) but transform individuals so that they may acquire a healthy body, healthy mind and a healthy spirit. Therefore instead of wasting one's time and energy in converting others (LIKE WHAT IS DONE IN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM), one must channelise one's efforts in becoming religious himself or herself first. This is how an ordinary person transformed himself into a Jesus, This is how an ordinary person transformed himself into a Buddha, and this is how an ordinary person transformed himself into a Prophet.
NRC
August 25, 2012 4:20 am
Then why don't Muslims of India convert to Hinduism as Hindu girls in Pakistan do? Don't post articles justifying terrorism, how come India had 3 Muslim presidents if Muslims r being victimized?
NRC
August 25, 2012 4:15 am
It's u who r SILLY, most probably Hindus aren't even 1 percent in Pakistan, hence tareddy is using per thousand instead of percentage which simply means per hundred!
GSNRaju
August 25, 2012 4:00 am
I appreciate your gut feeling bhai. People have to change their attitudes towards religions and human relations.
GSNRaju
August 25, 2012 3:56 am
It is false and rubbish! Infact if there is problem related to religion, Muslims are more united and ruthless in attacking the Hindu neighbours.
GSNRaju
August 25, 2012 3:50 am
Very nice analysis. I like your logic and impariality
farooq
August 25, 2012 2:40 am
Why arent Amnesty International and other human rights watch groups invited to visit Kashmir then?
Chris
August 25, 2012 2:30 am
OK Lets talk about percentage. There were 22 % Hindu population before partition in Pak and Bangladesh. Now there are only 1.7 percent in Pak and 9 % in Bngladesh. Where r rest? Please have some tolerance for Minority. In India there were 10 % before partician and now there are 13 %. I am not saying Hindus are 100 % tolerant for muslims, there are some radicals in Hindus as well. Most of the Hindus in india know what Muslims did for 1000 years in India. We know how many temples destroyed, how many people killed esp. by Gori, Tugluq, aurangajeb etc.....We also know what is the status of Hindus in Kashmir....we know about terrorist attacks in India......We treat Muslims as equal citizens of India......We know Hindus hurt muslims by destroying Babri maszid and Godhra violence, but there are at least 50 times attocities against Hindus in India itself in last 1000 years history.....Wake up and have tolerance Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindus_in_Pakistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_India
atlas
August 24, 2012 12:32 am
nation of such hateful people - in addition to persecution described above, the article on ahmadiyyas and the views of the general public are nothing less than inflammatory
Rahul
August 24, 2012 12:44 am
Forced conversions!!! You can officially and forcefully convert a Hindu to a Muslim, but can you change the way they think? What would make you mentally a Muslim ?
Tony
August 24, 2012 12:41 am
Similar conversions are called 'Love Jihad' in Kerala, India.... sadly our 'secular Congress government' keeps silent on such acts to appease minorities
raju
August 26, 2012 12:25 pm
Indian hindus would be delighted if all the muslims from India migrate to pakistan. I can bet my last dollar,no sane indian muslim will agree to that.
Fazal
August 25, 2012 1:16 am
Faiza mirza. I'm sorry you even have a muslim sounding name. How about writing countless pakistani hindu's citizen's gratitude to the muslims & the government in general? Would you know anything about that? How about writing that as an Islamic state/Govt. the Hindu minority is absolved of "jizya" - in accordance with the Shariat. Would you know anything about that? Posing as a face for supposedly oppressed people doesn't make it better for them because of weird notions such as yours. And your confusion is so much that you confuse muslims as praying to the same god? The same god manifested in colours etc etc etc. Please read up on Islam & find out the concept of God. He is the sustainer and to him who prays in accordance to his described ways through his prophets is known as a believer. The rest are non believers. (doesn't make them anyway less human as you would like to point out) They had a choice and we made the choice. Simple enough. Would you know anything about this?
BajjR Battu
August 25, 2012 12:59 am
BINOD BHAIYA! Check your facts. India has most number of muslims in the world and most of them don't like Pakistan!
Alyzah
August 24, 2012 6:51 am
And your comments show the level of education and intellectualism you possess. Why are you launching a personal attack on the author or DAWN? Just because you’re unable to present a solid argument?
reshma
August 27, 2012 12:55 pm
raju a person who points others is a biggest nuisance no Sane Indian will hate Pakistani they r genuine good people if u ever came across one. i am also born and brought up in India
vinod
August 23, 2012 10:11 pm
Hinduism is not a religion,but a way of life. Islam is a religion with good intentions,but practiced by misguided people.
Human
August 24, 2012 10:23 pm
Above and beyond, this is a sick Society and set of Mentality which does the conversion, celebrate it and think that they are appeasing the god they have made in their mind. Thinking through, I have yet to find god who will accept these forced abductions, rapes, forceful living with someone for all like. This to me is Satanic and not godly. These abductors and whoever believes and supports them, the society, the justice system, politicans and everyone else involved represent that tyranny. But whoever believes and knows god, also knows that god is perfect and smartest of smarts. Whatever goes around will come around.
mir aftab
August 26, 2012 11:21 am
A wondorous article a clear depiction that shows abuse in the name of religion and violation of basic human rights. Our guardians of constitution should realize that not taking action tantamounts to bringing disgrace to the nation of Pakistan which is already touching its lowest ebb. Ours is a country where the main constituent institutions are held hostage by fanatics and unless they are stricken down by constitution and implementors, we will not have enough good precedents to ensure our progress as a society.
ArvaVeer
August 24, 2012 12:36 pm
1. The number of Hindus have dwindled in Pakistan since Independence till today - that is a given fact. They are treated as second class citizens - by the state itself. While in India, Muslims have equal rights, recourse to law and are in fact perceived to be pampered by the secular governments with education and job quotas and other freebies to harness their votes. 2. Most Pakistanis don't know what is happening as it is only in this age and time that their media has gained the guts to stand up and displays such stories of blatant discrimination (especially after the debacle of Hindus migrating to India, upsetting Jinnah's vision). And they have braved the criticism that will come their way like - anti-pak, pro-india, gaddar etc. So a lot of kudos is due to Dawn and other publications for doing the right thing.
raj
August 24, 2012 10:01 am
@Anan: situation of Indian muslims are far better off than even of Pak muslims. Look at pakistan, muslims being killed by muslims only, there is forced conversion going on, minor girls is being prosecuted in the name of blasphemy law, minorities are force to flee pakistan.... So..you please take care of pakistan. minorities in Indian have given enough right & freedom to defend themselves. Pls dont worry abt Indian muslims...they are are proud Indian.
ASHIM CHOUDHURY (@AshimChoudhury)
August 24, 2012 9:46 am
Rehan Saab, India has had two Muslim Presidents, India has currently got a Muslim Vice-President, India has had Muslims as the Chiefs of Army and Air Force, India has had Muslim Chief Justices of the Supreme Courts, India has presently and in the past had senior Central Ministers and State Chief Ministers of the Muslim faith. In India muslims have equal rights with all others including the Hindus. Incidentally, the Indian Government subsidises the expenditure on Haj pilgrimage, something even Pakistan does not do! The muslims in India are happier than even the muslims in Pakistan and that is why there are also muslims crossing over to India but there is no traffic in the opposite direction.
Sana
August 24, 2012 9:39 am
I would like to bring this to the authors notice....I am a muslim Girl, I am in love with a Hindu boy...we both don't follow either of our religions....its just the name we carry...but both our families are wanting us to convert as per their religions...It is surprising that my clans who are Muslims agreed to a hindu ceremony but the boys side are not...they are very rigid! They don't want a Court Marriage..either..if we have to get married we have to do it the Hindu and not any other way.....Here they are even forcing my mom to attend the hindu ceremony....I just fail to understand I am a part of a BIG Television group..and i am not writing anything about the demands and conditions my to be in-laws are keeping in front of me....Its not about the community or the faith that they follow it is about their roots, the way they think and the society they live in...it is unfair to compare Hindus of Pakistan to the Muslims in India...!
Jaffar Baloch
August 24, 2012 8:56 am
I cant understand why we compare Muslims in India with Hindus in Pakistan. What is the justification if India is doing wrong then our wrongs become right. Why we not think that these are Pakistani citizens. they have equal rights and above all we are muslim. why we not think that what our religion says. I think we have no justification. I am not agree with the author that every hindu girls in Sind lives with fear and she is converted forcefully. But I cant denied that these events happen in Pakistan and feel ashame on it.
shilpa
August 24, 2012 8:45 am
i must commend dawn which is a pakistani publication for publishing this story. for many indians like myself it is heartening to see that there are sane voices too in pakistan.i made my daughter read this story and she too was moved to tears.hope good sense prevails and and strict measures are taken to prevent such dastardly acts in the future.
chrissal
August 24, 2012 4:07 am
Hi,Not only a girl will be forcefully converted but even the ash of the death will be taken away...this happened in Malaysia recently.
anan
August 24, 2012 7:51 am
Definitely you should write whats happening to the minorities in India...the author could not write probably because she could not find things that are worrisome...Would Pakistani media be bold enough to honestly report about the lives of Muslims in India? I would want the people of Pakistan to get a clear view of how people of India think and behave socially and proly Dawn could help there...that way Pakistanis would be able to see through their homw grown propoganda and its futility... It needs sense to understand how the government of India (be it Congress or BJP) has steadfastly upheld our constitutional right to live free; freedom of speech, freedom of practicing a failth, equality etc...agreed we have problems but definitely not anti-minority is not a state policy...
Minmon
August 24, 2012 8:34 am
I DO NOT AGREE WITH ZAINAB. You are living in an illusion in Pakistan !!!
Jaffar Baloch
August 24, 2012 7:29 am
The problems exit both side in Pakistan and India. but being a Pakistani I think that if some thing wrong in India it doesnt mean that we should punish to our Pakistani brothers and sisters. I think the minorities in Pakistan are first of all Pakistani. It is not a good thought to do same with hindu if some thing happend in India.
Abdullah
August 24, 2012 7:21 am
how can i increase my intellect...???? :-(..lol
Abdullah
August 24, 2012 7:18 am
a short tempered intellectual...lol
ravi
August 24, 2012 6:49 am
you got wrong info muslims n hindus living happily in india just some evils who dont have any religion creats disturbance. a girl frm muslim as well as hindu religion can walk freely in market without any fear as they knwo that if there are some evils then lot of well wishers with them...
Abdullah
August 24, 2012 6:42 am
This “Dhookhee” Story is nothing but a pseudo – intellec-chawal claim cursing religion and country! an easy recipe for success!
Abdullah
August 24, 2012 6:38 am
100% agreed.........
Maira
August 24, 2012 6:33 am
If you had read about Islam then you would have long accepted it as the only true religion... Go check Kalki Avataar and his signs... Stop seeing pornography of bollywood and disconnect from the mainstream media to do some internal soul searching... peace brother.
Maira
August 24, 2012 6:29 am
She will not listen... she is yet on another mission... To create yet another story to please her handlers...
aamir ali
August 24, 2012 6:27 am
This is ridiculous I've lots of friends in Sindh Especially my friend Parshotum Kumar Khattri with whom I'd business as well we were just great friends! Whenever he comes to Lahore stayed with me. We had lot of fun and business! This "Dhookhee" Story is nothing but a pseudo - intellec-chawal claim cursing religion and country! an easy recipe for success!
Salman
August 24, 2012 6:22 am
I am not trying to say that every Hindu in Pakistan is marginalized and treated differently but many of them have faced discrimination on one account or the other. And that is what I am trying to say wake up and look at the people who are not doing so well. People who are happy are not the only Pakistanis. Don’t be so myopic.
Maira
August 24, 2012 6:16 am
since when? Come out of your illusion and hypnotism.... stop reading TimesofIndia and see the real people and then comment..
Abdullah
August 24, 2012 6:16 am
you should also meet the happy hindus living in Pakistan too write about them ...... i can give u their contacts if u need them....lol
Salman
August 24, 2012 6:02 am
The sound of secularism is a lot more appealing than Talibanism and Mullahism if you know what I mean. You seem to be a skeptical who has issues with anything and everything. Wake up and smell the coffee. Travel and see what’s happening in the rural areas of Pakistan. Meet people who are living on the margins and then comment. I work for an NGO and I get to meet Hindus very often. You have no idea about the horror stories they narrate. This parable is not even a fraction of how they are marginalised.
Zainab
August 24, 2012 5:55 am
There is nothing like that in PAKISTAN, Many of Hindus have studied & worked with me, and they are treated as normally as others . We care for their holy events, we respect their norms and religion. There is no reservations any where for minorities, neither in education nor in jobs. We are happily living together.
Rajesh
August 24, 2012 3:42 pm
They have done the same to Kashmiri Hindus in India Kashmir. No Indian Govt. is moved by seeing the Kashmiri Hindu refugees living on the streets of New Delhi and elsewhere.
rehan
August 24, 2012 5:51 am
And what ideology should be aligning ourselves with ? Secularism ?
Zainab
August 24, 2012 5:47 am
Strongly agree with Rehan
Raja GSN
August 24, 2012 5:46 am
Your narration seems to be real. But that kind of treatment towards a minority girl is not heard of in india. We feel it like obsurd.
Salman
August 24, 2012 5:46 am
This is a parable. I suggest you google parable for your information and everyone else’s convenience. How can you be so ignorant of what is happening in your country? Before criticizing the author or DAWN you should look at yourself and assess if your ideologies are not aligned with that of Taliban. Food for thought no?
Kaly
August 24, 2012 5:37 am
Are you joking? Muslim in India will never speak against this, they even don't care for Indian Hindus, for them supporting illegal Bangladeshis are more important than caring fellow countrymen of different people, and its happening everywhere, Mumbai/Lucknow/Ranchi/Jamshedpur. People are really fedup....
Raja GSN
August 24, 2012 5:37 am
You are mistaken. Muslims india are just like Hindus having equal rights, equal chances, to vote to express their descent and equal responsibilities and opportunities. Even, some sections of muslims have reservations in education and jobs. What about you in Pakisthan?
Abdullah
August 24, 2012 5:10 am
this faiza mirza always writes on the same topics........faking stories....defaming pakistan.
Kaalikali
August 24, 2012 4:57 am
bull! There is no conversion because you are ok as you are NOT because you can only be born as a Hindu. You can turn yourself into a Hindu whenever you want. Hinduism is a way of life & philosophy. Rituals are tools to either help you to get into the frame of mind or to provide work/earning for the priests who tell you they are needed. You do NOT have to listen to them. They cannot declare a Fatwah (kill order like muslims clerics do). i.e. person A can meditate using a dot on the wall but B finds it easier to concentrate on a flame (Aryasamaji Hindus), C an image depicting an aspect God (Laxmi for wealth etc.) & D may need nothing. Historically all three of the middle eastern religions have spilled a lot of non believer blood. Crusades were launched to steal Muslim riches, Jews do the same to the Palestinians, the muslim hoardes did the same in India. Timur Lane, Changez Khan, down to Aurangzeb who forcibly taxed all non muslims. Abdul Saleem seems to have forgotten history. Yes today there are so called 'Hindu' radicals - it is so lucrative! The riches & (addictive) power accumulated by Ibrahim Dowd gave rise to the likes of Bal Thakeray. Much easier for criminals to recruit able bodied young men if they disguise their criminal activities under a religious banner.
g. ag
August 24, 2012 4:52 am
muslim in india is safe and no such thing happens to them
Peace
August 24, 2012 4:50 am
Ahhhh.......... i'm heart broken. I heard and saw many poor Hindu girls forced to convert and then marry to some Muslim person (most of the time their kidnappers). Mr. Rehan Khan Minorities in every country facing same issues but it doesn't mean that we stop raising voice for them in Pakistan. Yes in India many Muslims and Christians burnt alive even in Burma we are hearing the news of cruel killings. We should pray and raise voice for the Rights of each and every minor. May God give us courage and wisdom to support Human rights ameen.
Shamim
August 24, 2012 4:27 am
two wrongs doesn't make anything right.
Ali Zain
August 23, 2012 2:04 pm
Amazing article
Vishnu
August 23, 2012 1:57 pm
Please... Your Existence Might Be Fictitious...
Vishnu
August 23, 2012 1:57 pm
This is out of context of the current predicament presented here.
dsreddy85
September 2, 2012 7:42 am
Thanks to the Reporter for being so openminded to bring this story.. Thanks to the DAWN.com for posting this... Civilisation is that " Giving reverence to the Life". If someone doesnt care for the life, that to of a human, then its not civilisation at all. This is a horrible story to hear or know about. Prayers for all those hindus in pakistan & Bangladesh who are either forced to convert or victims of love Jihad (loving the hindu girls and marrying them to take their property while converting them).
WAQAR
August 23, 2012 1:53 pm
A journalist should be responsible for authenticity of his/her information or news. Validity of content is judged through comprehensive information with facts and Facts are not judged through emotional intensity of the written material.
raj
August 23, 2012 1:51 pm
Well done.......Faiza Mirza. u did brave job by highlighting the facts which is being ignored by pak establishment. This is type of genocide or mass cleansing. By crushing their minority, pak is doing harm to themselves only. May good sense prevail and Pak govt take some strict action to curb these type of injustice....!!!
Zimbo_Indian
August 23, 2012 1:46 pm
Ironically, excellent law and order is Gujrat's USP. Many Indians believe that Modi is India best choice as PM in 2014 when the nations elects the next govt. In spite of all this, Modi's own party BJP, can not dare to project him as a potential PM because they know that Indian masses will never accept a murderer as PM even if he happens to be a great administrator.
A. Razzak
August 23, 2012 7:20 pm
This the truth, it is universal TRUTH HAS COME TO DEMOLISH THE FALSE. FACT IS FACT.
Razia
August 23, 2012 7:13 pm
just because you say so, it does not become true. Show me sources. People like you make Pakistan unlivable and bring reasonable Muslims a bad name.
Razia
August 23, 2012 7:12 pm
Arya samaj forced conversions? Was that a Muslim outfit?
Pankaj Patel(USA)
August 23, 2012 6:49 pm
Manju you are ignorent and do not know history.British were like Mughals just wanted to rule and loot and not interested in converting and taking risk of an uprising.Christianity was also brutally spread by Spanish,Portuguese inquisition all over America and parts of Africa.
A. Razzak
August 23, 2012 6:48 pm
Could they speak against the massacre of their fellow brothers killed in Gujarat, in Aasam ------?
Sachin
August 23, 2012 6:41 pm
@Aslam - Thank you Mr.Aslam ..this answer was really needed which is the truth.
A. Razzak
August 23, 2012 6:28 pm
Yes ,yes you kill to convert, look at the massacre of Gujarat , of late of Assam & so on, what to talk of few?
A. Razzak
August 23, 2012 6:18 pm
Let 's follow the religion which is the Best religion.
Amit Sharma
August 23, 2012 6:13 pm
No doubt Ahmad, but such things can happen in Pakistaan only.
Khatri
August 23, 2012 5:55 pm
I still recall my childhood memories of how Paksitanis reacted in Pakistan on Babari mosque incident. When there are Hindu / Muslim riots in India both the parties suffer loss, but when it happens in Pakistan its one sided. Yes, so you can't really call it riot.
Khatri
August 23, 2012 5:48 pm
Those how followed up such stories in real time know that even Cheif Justice was talked with, but in wein.
Razia
August 23, 2012 5:43 pm
Islam in practice...
Khatri
August 23, 2012 5:40 pm
FACTitious!
Khatri
August 23, 2012 5:39 pm
Why do we care so much about India? Why don't we look into ourself?
Renuka
August 23, 2012 5:36 pm
I say self reflection is extinct and that what i assimilate from the comments received to this article...Faiza a great job done and this i say not being a Hindu woman but as an human being whose basic right to live is being violated and challenged each day. Names, religion and geographical boundaries may differ but reality prevails...yes a reality which many religious minorities in any part of the world may experience....but why do we have the yardstick 'of comparatively better off than India etc'. Why dont we see where the nation is heading too...
Khatri
August 23, 2012 5:35 pm
Ethenic voilence and forced conversion by abduction are two different subjects. Please dont mix. The later destroys honor and dignity of a whole lot of families.
Khatri
August 23, 2012 5:29 pm
Such turbuned men are over-previllaged people of this society and have respresentatives or memberships in the State. Who is going to put pressure on Government to take action against such atrosities. Had Pakistan been a tolerant society, moderate majority would have influenced Government to eliminate this menance long ago.
R
August 23, 2012 4:37 pm
Hatsoff to writer for depicting the feelings off females from minority...for those who think otherwise and think this is fictitious need to look around...we see examples of intolerance all around...
Shivam
August 24, 2012 7:34 pm
@Zeeshan----You are a Pakistani claiming to be an Indian Muslim just to ignite communal fire and save your face. I request you to stop your hypocrisy and approach your District Collector(if you're an Indian) with your grievances which are all just fabricated----"..killings of Muslims in the time of riots by being and equipping Hindu groups with every weapon you could think of.." What weapons? You're Bangladeshis immigrants in Assam have them smuggled through Pakistan not us Hindus,anytime anywhere. You always promote terrorism whether in kashmir or Afghanistan,Balochistan etc. etc. You pakistanis hate your own ppl. Proof?--You claiming to be an indian muslim with your laughable fabricated tales. File a Police Fir in India,it won't go unheard coz' its India.
Jagdish
August 23, 2012 4:03 pm
It is myth to say Islam was never spread through swords. There have been good muslim kings but many tryant muslim kings as well who have spread islam by sword. Islam came to India several centuries ago first in Sindh and then slowly to other parts of Northern India. Emperor Akbar established his empire by marrying into Hindu Rajput Kings to seek their co-operation and spread his rule in India, during his time muslims and hindus were treated fairly. However during his descendants rule especially Aurangzeb’s time Hindus were converted and killed forcefully. Kashmir, Punjab and many parts of UP, Bihar and Bengal was forcefully converted, Sikhs were killed and their Gurus were killed. Aurangzeb due to his fanticism destroyed the unity Hindus and Muslims enjoyed, this lead to several fights with Hindu Kings mainly Rajput Kings like Chattrasal, Shivaji Maharaj and Sikh Gurus.. Ultimately Aurangzeb lost popular support and lost ground..his descendants lost power to Marathas and Sikhs…thus mughal rule was limited onlt to Delhi when British took over India by defeating Sikhs and Marathas. In Summary it is a myth to say Muslim rulers did not spread Islam by sword, it is however true that Sufism played a significant role in spreading Islam in already Islamisized society of Sindh and West Pakistan .. It is myth to believe Hindus are timd and banias. This myth lead to loss of 4 wars to Pakistan who thought Hindu India could not stand a few hard blows hit at the right time and place. My reply is not meant to hurt Pakistani feelings, I have tried to state facts as it is
astheredbaronsays
August 24, 2012 7:35 pm
@Zeeshan—-You are a Pakistani claiming to be an Indian Muslim just to ignite communal fire and save your face. I request you to stop your hypocrisy and approach your District Collector(if you\’re an Indian) with your grievances which are all just fabricated—-\”..killings of Muslims in the time of riots by being and equipping Hindu groups with every weapon you could think of..\” What weapons? You\’re Bangladeshis immigrants in Assam have them smuggled through Pakistan not us Hindus,anytime anywhere. You always promote terrorism whether in kashmir or Afghanistan,Balochistan etc. etc. You pakistanis hate your own ppl. Proof?–You claiming to be an indian muslim with your laughable fabricated tales. File a Police Fir in India,it won\’t go unheard coz\’ its India.
sukkhi
August 23, 2012 2:15 pm
in comparison to pakistan,muslims are living better life in India....
Manu
August 23, 2012 3:03 pm
WHAM !!! OK now wake up from your nice dreamy sleep and see the reality. Ta Da !!
anand
August 23, 2012 2:58 pm
@Faiza Mirza, Thanks for true journalism. Journalists like you made Dawn as a dependable new paper
shankar
August 24, 2012 12:37 pm
Hello! There was a rally which turned ugly last week by Muslims in support of Rohingyas in Myanmar. Were you not in India then? It is all because of feeling of persecution and isolation(Living in ghettos). Join the mainstream. Follow proper family planning. India is already struggling to feed all.
Vishnu
August 23, 2012 2:34 pm
I think you are turning a blind eye toward the plight of minorities in general by giving general comments over the entire situation which you are analysing in a rather superficial and light manner. The revolution will always be disguised in form of blood shed and ethnic cleansing. Pakistan is well known for its image which is correct after you have done some soul searching on your part. It has taken years for an author of that sort to come up with an article so openly must you resort to your weak argument of the orient vs occident at this point?
Vishnu
August 23, 2012 2:28 pm
No one is blaming Islam, we are educated enough. The blame is only on those that are assertive beyond reason.
SK
August 26, 2012 10:17 am
First the author of this article surprised me and now you with your comments. I truly see a light and hope that there is still a hope for humanity.
Kumar
August 26, 2012 9:28 am
Abdullah Khan Karachi, Pakistan Mr Naeem Jinnah didnt tel u to run away when ur country is in such kind of crisis...stop enjoying ur life in Manhattan come back to Pakistan and then comment on us.....
Rehan Rizvi
August 24, 2012 1:07 pm
HATS OFF TO THE MEDIA, HATS OFF TO FAIZA MRZA AND ALL THE JOURNALISTS WHO JUSTIFY THIER "PAKI/ SELF BASHING" TRAINING! FOR GOD SAKE WHAT HAPPENS IN INDIA WHERE THEY BURN CHIRSTIAN PRIESTS ALIVE, OR IN NORWAY, OR IN USA, OR IN UK. IS THIS UR JOURNALISM, PATHETIC!!!
ashwani
August 24, 2012 11:20 am
You are misinformed as the reason behind the riots was burning of 52 nos. of Hindu Karsewaks at Godhra by Muslim fundamentalist. Does anybody have courgae to come out straight and speak the true reason behind the fury of the mob.Further Muslims are quite happy and living in peace in Gujarat.Kindly stop spreading hatred and let people (all religions) live in peace.
Usman
August 24, 2012 11:17 am
please read the basics of Islam...& learn what Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) teachs us. Just because of thinking like u people(@Sharib786) Muslim r being killed by so-called Muslim...& u even didnt think, when someone burn Quran u protest everywhere but what about the Muslim who they burn QURAN themself by destroying Masajids in the name of Allah...while Islam is religion of Peace & patience.
Vivekavardhana
August 24, 2012 11:15 am
Religion is a way of living . If one had taken birth as a human being he/she have freedom to live in any way they want. The religion would make lives better but never worse. Being a Hindu Indian national i do love muslimism. Pure religion followers will never force others to get converted into their religion as they will be in busy in practicing the religion. In this modern world uneducated religion followers can become melancholic to make others just to follow their semi-orthodox, a semi-patriotic and a bit illicit feelings but not their Religion. Because i believe all religions are one. It is the that humans compartmentalize the the GREAT HUMAN religion into different Legio . Follow the Religion but not Legio.
ashwani
August 24, 2012 11:10 am
Please tell who is equipping the hindu groups with weapons,in fact hindus in India are themselves a victim of Muslim intolerance.Take up any news paper you will find maximum news of violence, chain snatching, eve teasing, gathering in groups and defying law etc all being done by muslims. In India muslims are no more victims but today Hindus are victims
sana khan
August 24, 2012 11:09 am
@Zeeshan: if the situation in India so bad why don’t you relocate to Pakistan? I am sure the thought must have crossed your mind many a times why don’t you take a plunge and move out of India which is ruled by tyrants and mass murderers.
Zeeshan
August 24, 2012 11:05 am
Would you believe Suhail Seth who writes his mindset or the Muslims who have seen their own families being slaughtered, mothers and sisters raped by hindu mobs, children pierced with swords and arrows in thier genitals? Modi is doing whatever for Gujarat and only to gain power as Prime Minister. If being a CM he has outdone Hitler, imagine what a man like him can do when he becomes the PM ! What action has the government done besides only criticizing him to gain Muslim vote? Nothing at all. Speak to the victims of Assam and you will know what the gruesome facts are. Some journalists who adore Modi have been bought and sold many times. Please trust the victims and not the fiction makers.
AW
August 24, 2012 11:05 am
You have to......being a minority.............
saad
August 24, 2012 11:02 am
Zeehsan if the author of this blog is looking for cheap fame then why don’t you enlighten us with your version of India and its human rights’ violation by penning down your thoughts. Who is stopping you from writing against your own country? Just for the record this article states nothing against Pakistan but fundamentalists who like you rule major parts of Pakistan. P.S. you mentioned Veena Malik was that also done to invite more Taliban-minded people like yourself to agree with you? Her name catches attention no? I am sure you have seen a collection of her pictures as well to observe that she invites cheap fame? Isn’t that hypocrisy too?
Zeeshan
August 24, 2012 11:00 am
Indian government services and defense have only 0.1% of Muslims and there is nothing called reservation for Muslims in India. The proposal was used as a vote bank which never came out of the files. Whoever says what you are saying is a bigtime liar.
Ravi
August 24, 2012 11:00 am
He cannot offer proof. That's what he has been told by his mullahs
Shabab
August 24, 2012 10:59 am
Well said
Zeeshan
August 24, 2012 10:58 am
Nonsense. Gujarat has been the Shame of India with many thousands of women and children made to drink kerosine and burst like bombs. Just because they are strangers to you does not mean to justify your indifference. Assam, thousands of Muslims being slaughtered and another thousands displaced and made refugees. Either you are a Hindu making this comment or you are ruthless as this author.
Zeeshan
August 24, 2012 10:56 am
yes but why cover one wrong and ignore the other? Muslims in India are being slaughtered and you are cold-blooded and have no feelings about it. Are you a Muslim of a Munafiqeen?
Abdul Wahid
August 24, 2012 10:56 am
I think you must have watched Aamir Khan's TV show "Satyamev Jayate". That truly tells the factual story.
Zeeshan
August 24, 2012 10:55 am
I think this woman is like Veena Mallik, in fact worse. She is simply trying to get fame, at whatever cost. Such people are a stigma to humanity.
Zeeshan
August 24, 2012 10:54 am
Have you ever tried to find out the position of Muslims in India? I am an Indian Muslim and it is very common for the law makers and the authorities to support the killings of Muslims in the time of riots by being and equipping Hindu groups with every weapon you could think of. Otherwise, it is easy to catch any ordinary Muslim to make numbers for the police and label him a terrorist and plant some hi tech weapons on him. Have you tried to find the situation in Gujarat, Assam, etc.? It is a pity that Muslims have everything in the world to think of except their own people and their own faith. This is the reason that Muslims in the world are suffering because they are only Muslims by name and never by action or faith. Any place in the world, if a Hindu or a Sikh is victimized, all Sikhs or Hindus in India unite and protest. However, if Muslims are slaughtered in masses in one country, no other Muslims across the world is bothered. What a community we are!!
bk
August 24, 2012 10:54 am
While I agree with you, please always remember there is a huge historical record the other way round. The Ind gov and press have criticised Modi, v often. They even asked the US to not give him a visa. Gujarat Muslim victims have Hindu lawyers and activists helping them for free. Modi himself seems to have done plenty for them as per Suhail Seth's articles. So India is a paradise, with perfect human rights? No, sometimes good, often stumbling, and not perfect even for Hindus but to compare it with Saud or Pak is ridiculous. Also do google Leonard Wise, Jew.
Abdul Wahid
August 24, 2012 10:50 am
By saying that the Mughals had forcefully converted hindus to muslims, you have are just ignored the noble acts of holy saints like Khawaja Moinuddin Ajmeri, Hazrat Ali Hajveri, Nizamuddin Aulia and thousands of such noble persons who devoted their lives to spread the message of peace and love.
Zeeshan
August 24, 2012 10:48 am
Yours is a silly logic, when you know there is a vast difference between the populations of India and Pakistan, you should have used the word percentage in your deductions rather than per.
bk
August 24, 2012 10:47 am
Are many Indian Muslims begging to go to Pakistan? Any Indian Muslim girls fleeing TO Pak or Saudi?
tsreddy
August 24, 2012 10:42 am
I think a simple factual answer would answer the reality of it all. Per 1000 Hindus in Pakistan in 1950, how many Hindus are there in Pakistan today? Per 1000 Muslims in India, how many Muslims are there in India today. Honest answer to these questions would tell the Truth in simplicity that any man on the street can understand as to what is happening. Since I believe in Jesus Christ, I have no sides to take here - but I do want the truth out.
Zeeshan
August 24, 2012 10:40 am
I don't know about Pakistan but I a sure you don't know that the man who massacred 10000 Muslims in Gujarat has been made the Chief Minister of that state. Have you come across any country where a mass murderer is adulated and made to feel like God simply because he wipes out one community entirely? Why don't you publish this as well?
Sam
August 24, 2012 10:39 am
Division caused by religion exists everywhere, but more so in underdeveloped/undeveloped nations. Hindus certainly are a more tolerant people, because Hinduism is a way of life and NOT a religion. While strife exists everywhere --- for any reason-- India is definitely a much safer place than Pakistan, to be in, and practising any form of religion, This report is not from India or Pakistan, but from people foreign to both countries
Vasu
August 24, 2012 5:04 pm
Really thousands drank kerosine? Were you there when that happened? Initially I thought fanatic muslims doused kerosine on hindu pilgrims but you are so pathetic. You self advertise here that you are true indian muslim, but I tell you, for muslims, religion comes first and then everything else. Until you change your mindset from universal islamic brotherhood to universal brotherhood, you will never find peace in your religion. Every morning you wake up thinking "Oh my god, my muslim brothers in Burma are slaughters, my muslim sisters in Chechnya are raped, my muslim uncles in Iraq are bombed! Stop thinking of people who are not related to you by blood. If your heart feels for them, then it should feel for every human being. Why only muslims? Isn't it hypocrisy? This only shows how your interpretation of your religion is so shallow.
Saifi
August 24, 2012 4:50 pm
In Gujarat riots thousands of Muslims were killed. Most of them were burnt. A woman who was in advanced stage of pregnancy had her belly open with swords, the child taken out and then both were burnt. I don't need write more. India is not much better than Pakistan. At least Pakistani Hindus can migrate to India. But where do Indian Muslims go? Nowhere. We also live in constant fear and terror. A chill goes down my spine when I see a policeman. They can brand us terrorist and throw in jail to rot. A very laughable argument is made that Modi has never been prosecuted by any court of law. That itself shows what kind of courts of law we have in India. All the resources are owned by Hindus. We have to work doubly hard to achieve something as all govt jobs are reserved for Hindus. By dolling out some insignificant rubber stamp positions to so called Muslims (they're mostly practicing Hindus) India claims to give positions to Muslims.
shankar
August 24, 2012 12:10 pm
Zeeshan duffer. Why do you live in India?. Go and live in your utopian Country You dont want to listen anything bad but keep on nagging about India. Are you truly Indian?
Saifi
August 24, 2012 4:32 pm
That's the point. Hindus own media, police, judiciary, government etc. Only cowards like you Hindus can claim to be a victim even when slaughtering Muslims in the thousands. We muslims In India are not in any better shape either. We also live in constant fear. Even if we happen to be 15-20%, our representation in Govt, Govt jobs etc is miniscule.
rizwan
August 24, 2012 2:59 pm
why suffer in india ZEESHAN? enjoy life in any of the rest 56 islamic countries in world. best would be to migrate to pakistan, where you will find a lot of like-minded people like you.
Abdullah
August 24, 2012 2:53 pm
did u learn hatred at HARVARD...should i get enrolled there?....lol
hisi
August 24, 2012 2:40 pm
Try to read without prejudice and it may make sense
toby
August 24, 2012 2:38 pm
Isnt that Mamata banerjee said that every muslim imam receives like 2000 rs as salary, I mean come on Hindus dont get sops. There are minority colleges only for muslims, reservations everywhere, jobs, educational instituations. There were spasms of violence which is unfortunate, but dont sound like India is pakistan, India is opposite of pakistan. Learn it, love it, appreciate it
Zeeshan
August 24, 2012 11:31 am
Times of India is a pawn of the government and there is no fair press in India because all of them are free but corrupt and hijacked by the government and basically they are Hindutva supporters. How can you expect such newspapers to publish truth about Muslims? Is it not clear? Hindu killer groups are free to do anything they want. But have you ever heard of a group that represents Muslims in India? If such a group is even formed, it is crushed on the pretext of terrorist activities and all its members are subjected to unimaginable atrocities. Wonder why people across the border are so ignorant about all this. It just needs common sense and sight. Would this have happened if Muslims in India had equal rights as Hindus? If a single Muslim even tries to defend himself, he is a terrorist and if a Hindu mob slaughters Muslims, they are nationalist.
tsreddy
August 24, 2012 3:54 pm
I lived in US and am in India. Yes - there are stray incidents of christians being persecuted in India. In the state of Andhra Pradesh that I am in, Christians as a whole are more educated and have better incomes than the comparable Hindu population. I believe that every human being has a god given right to choose their own faith and no human being should be persecuted for his faith. Why is it that the muslim countries donot allow other faiths to survive (I wonder as to how many muslim countries allow christian churches to be built and hindu temples to be built) - yet at the same time Muslims leave their countries and come to our free countries and want to practice their faith. Why cannot the Muslims in India shout to the muslim countries to allow churches and temples be built in muslim countries as the muslims are free to practice their faith in India and USA, and all over Western Europe.
Hitesh
August 20, 2012 8:43 am
Everybody has to pay ! In the eyes of God there is nothing like believer or non-believer ! May its our Karma (un-just and out-dated Caste System) we are paying for ! But don't forget that you are also in the queue ! Just imagine what will be your end ! But I would like to assure you that we Hindus never seek revenge like you beasts are seeking without any fault of these poor girls ! May be it will be like Halal Vs. Jatka ?
rsr
August 20, 2012 8:43 am
i just hope there are enough secular pakistanis like you to resuscitate pakistan
TheseusIam
August 20, 2012 1:20 pm
Your story is real fiction which the authors story sounds to be more real.
Sidewinder
August 20, 2012 8:40 am
where in the whole article she seems to rebuke the religion?and this whole charade of rewarding minorities doesn't go down well with in tandem mass suppression of minorities left and right.so you feel that since govt provides a lower ranked Qadiyani or Hindu an opportunity over a Sunni,it gives all the Sunnis a right to commit brutalities over these hapless people.and look at you post, at no point you seem to be concerned about the horrifying events taking place in your country.you only seem to be worried why British media declared the London Olympics a success?i will tell you the reason-because they were successful.
Ranveer
August 20, 2012 8:38 am
What a moronic statement!
Human-Being
August 20, 2012 12:37 pm
Well Written - Story of Forced Conversion. It brings out the societal & moral boundaries one is confined too. Be it in Pakistan or any other part of the World. Only Fact remains - some are very aggressive & Not Tolerant. Educate people about faith,belief and feelings- it shall soon matter our Fate . Thanks to the writer for her thoughts about minority. Reader, as like me should all think We Must not practice it nor shall stand by One Who preaches & exercises such practices in Society.
chintu
August 20, 2012 12:50 pm
anyother victim of religion on peace.
Paul
August 20, 2012 1:35 pm
Felt very bad reading this. It is bound to happen in a country which is created based on relegion
Pakban
August 20, 2012 7:29 am
thanks for presenting such a good image of our country, dear reporter !
fraz
August 20, 2012 7:37 am
is it a propaganda or a real story? If not a real story then its accusation of the worst kind. If someone did it that yeah they need to be apprehended and it should not happen in a Muslim country. Most of the part of story about alienation, intolerance of religious belief reminds me of the experience I had in England, Canada and at the US/Canada border where we get extreme form of intolerance. Sometime those rogue border officers takes law in their hand and think they are gods. Abduction? I guess US jails are filled with muslims abducted by their system and the children taken away by their social services. Regardless, if these things are happening in Pakistan then it is bad and the authorities should provide equal justice, protection to all citizen arrest and prosecute who do these offenses because we are muslims.
Abhisek Sahay
August 20, 2012 7:39 am
Well done writer..the true story public should read..well Hell Day is coming soon for them who compel Hindus for conversion...
rk singh
August 20, 2012 7:41 am
Dear Ms. Faiza Mirza, thanks for putting the plight of Pakistani Hindus in such stark and honest terms. No doubt Hindus never want to stay back in Pakistan. Touch one Muslim girl and all hell breaks loose.
Naresh Sharma
August 20, 2012 7:42 am
Shame on Pakistanis. You are killing each other and some day you people will end up with no land for humans in Pakistan...
Umair
August 20, 2012 7:44 am
A society is known by how it treats our minorities. This is just one voice that has spoken out against the ills of our society. Do not blame the reporter, blame yourself to remain silent about such evils.
GKR
August 20, 2012 7:44 am
Tip my hat off to the brave writer...
Rahul
August 20, 2012 7:45 am
I am a Indian Hindu and have sympathies towards you and girls at large but at the same time am Proud Indian Muslims are treated and given respect just like any other man.... I call it peoples foolishness to go to pakistan and settle there post 1947 what on earth were Hindus thinking before opting for a Islamic country instead of a Secular nation like India
sachapakistani
August 20, 2012 7:46 am
we should not bury our heads in the sand. If injustice exists in our society it needs to be exposed so that it can be irradicated. No should have to go through what this girl went through...
EidMubarak
August 20, 2012 7:46 am
I hope u realize that reporting is not about presenting a good or bad image but a correct one. We cannot afford continue to ignore the numerous reports about forced conversions and marriage in the country. Closing our eyes or shutting our mouths shall not alter the truth. Let us acknowledge that there is a problem and work towards resolving that in an inclusive manner
Qasim
August 20, 2012 7:47 am
One thing that inspired me the most about Olympics was, the response and responsibility shown by English media towards their country. Unlike our media and respective reporters, they portrayed each and every part of Olympics as the best in terms of organisation, administration and delivery,Just because for few bucks they do not want to sell their loyalty and awarded as bold, blatant, truthful. Let me Quote a minority's story, a Qadyani boy securing 752nd position in CSS exams gets commission in DMG group on contrary to a Muslim ranked 148th in the same exam left empty handed,Just because the Qadyani was a minority. A hindu boy securing in the range of 481 was rewarded similarly. Respected Madam it is not Islam that tells us to do so, rather its us ourselves who do it like this. Kindly do not rebuke the religion Islam(report it like this).
Superraj
August 20, 2012 7:47 am
But this is the fate of all other too. Be it the Shias, the Ahmediays or the Siks or the Christians..... This is the state of Pakistan and it is bound to flounder in the days to come if the State does not step in and curb these fanatics.
Rohit
August 20, 2012 7:48 am
Great article, I hope some day Pakistani Government will listen to pleas of the minorities.
Feroz
August 20, 2012 7:51 am
You should be congratulated for holding a mirror to fellow countrymen. To the believers, please remember you can fool the world but not Allah. He will repay all the good deeds in the country with compound interest.
Himanshu
August 20, 2012 7:53 am
India is a secular country and she has to be , but being a hindu and listening/reading to such plight sof fellow hindus just ignites a spontaneous agony in myself and then I really start to wonder what could be the situations for a normal person to resort to violence or turning to militancy. No wonder many muslims may also be feeling the same way as I am doing in some other parts of world , may be in my country too. I can't help my fellow hindus of pakistan but I can certainly help my fellow muslims of India by pursuing my Hindu brothers to not discrimate our muslims so that this kind of pathetic situations should be remove from my lovely country once and for ever. Just for ending note , the situation in my country is far good as compared to pakistan , but its not perfect yet.
Secular Pakistani
August 20, 2012 7:55 am
Pakistan was renamed and made a islamic republic in 1956. Pakistan when made was named "state of Pakistan" As an Educated and a secular Pakistani,it tears me apart and causes my heart to bleed when i see such cases in Pakistan I hope for the better future of Minorities in Pakistan
rags
August 20, 2012 7:56 am
I can say to all Islamic extremists that beware of God. Not the God who is all merciful but the God who can get merciless in case things go to the extreme.
abcd
August 20, 2012 7:56 am
FAIZA: you have reiterated again and again that there is one god, and we all worship them. be us hindus, muslims, christians, or jews. can i ask you the question, why this fetish for one god, what is the problem with having two god, or say fifteen or none . i detect a sort of abhramanic guilt when you say, that there is one god....well, since abhramanic faiths share the same trait, ok fine, but then why paint us with the same strain. afterall, non-abhramanic religions may have belief in god(vedic religion, tengrism, sikhism, tribal religions) or may not have(buddhism, jainism, taoism, confuscionism ). or of hinduisms understanding of ADVAITVA(nothing except god, that is me, you, the others concerned with this article, and not concerned with this article are all manifestations of god, ie every speck on this earth is god) this necessity of even having a god, has never crossed this side of INDUS. AND having belief in god, or not has been always the concern of scholars, and not the masses.
Against Conversion
August 20, 2012 7:58 am
Hmm...If this is the thing happens in 20th centuruy , then I can't imagine what was the situation during Mughal's era who introduced Islam to Subcontinent . Don't worry sister , you have been forced to accept something wrong and their hatred fire for others belief will burn them someday . This is nature's law.
Ravi
August 20, 2012 7:58 am
Fantastic work by Faiza Most of the people who read and comment on dawn also seem to be moderate Hope we can win over the hardliners
Dixit
August 20, 2012 7:59 am
I salute you faiza. It is not courage but reqruires humanity to write such truthful article.
Jayakumar
August 20, 2012 8:00 am
Thanks for such a good narration & presentation.Rarely do i read an article completely but this time i read it as if its a story before i thought about the agony of such people .
MKB
August 20, 2012 8:00 am
Thanks Faiza for bringing such hell tale of Hindus, especially girls in Pakistan. Where is the end of this kind of inhuman, barbaric treatment to Hindus in Pakistan. Is Pakistanis lack courage to stood-up against the people who are doing this? Is Pakistan's civil society, judiciary, all are like this only? Do they do not feel ashamed when see such horrifying report.
Gerry D'Cunha
August 20, 2012 8:01 am
The Pope was not wrong to say "islam was spread through sword" - look was is happening in Pakistan with the minorities, force conversion.
Ashok Malhotra
August 20, 2012 8:04 am
My compliments to the reporter and the dawn editor. They have shown courage in reporting the truth unlike their interior minister.
Indian
August 20, 2012 8:09 am
Le Roi est mort, vive le Roi!!!What goes up, comes down. What is born, dies. Who are you and what did you bring with yourself that you lost ? So why cry?
A.M.Khan
August 20, 2012 8:11 am
good job reporter...you must be earning good!...such a good read is this...Before reading this i thought that things like different assets or reputation could be looted or victimization, slavery, sexual assaults or even forced marriages happen. But now you've brought an something very interesting aspect in account. I wonder what is keeping people stick to their forced beliefs...may be good material prospects!
Vineeth
August 20, 2012 8:16 am
Can't say whether this is the true situation in Pakistan. But if a nation is founded on the principles of religious exclusivism with the sanction of law, such an outcome does seem very likely.
Rajesh
August 20, 2012 8:18 am
"When you understand why you don't believe in other people's Gods, you will understand why? I don't believe in yours" - Albert Einstein
ALI Hassan
August 20, 2012 8:20 am
Forced conversions into Islam are forbidden so the act of such perpetuators is unislamic. There are feudal lords, tribal lords and extremists who use name of the Islam to fulfill their vested interests.
Umair
August 20, 2012 8:22 am
A society is known by how it treats its minorities. Islam stands on the foundation of Justice. The same justice that this girl was denied. Islam puts all humans as equals which surely is not the case in Pakistan. It was Hindus and Muslims in the beginning, then Pakistani and Bangali, then Sunni and Shiite, then pathan, sindhi, then syed, gondal, waraich, butt, khan, achakzai if this persists soon we will be differentiating on the basis of what color toilet paper do we use in our washrooms
gaurav
August 20, 2012 8:26 am
pakistani hindu are not in uk or canada they are facing discrimination in their own country not like u
B.Ally
August 20, 2012 8:27 am
. I am the only one who is right. All the rest is wrong. I am not alone . There are too many like me. Having this intolerant and disgusting attitude I am doomed to cave age so is this society. We are frogs in the well.
Prashant
August 20, 2012 1:35 pm
Get real bro, stop living in denials. Living in denials is like supporting the inhuman and cruel acts happening around you. Whether it is the Indian muslims who live in poverty or the Pakistani hindus living in fear, as long as we do not fight such a social menace, there is no chance for a peaceful and prosperous south asia.......how can humans be so cruel to each other.
Umesh
August 20, 2012 9:45 am
@disgusted- Can you imagine a scenario in Pakistan, where, your national cricket team captain will be a hindu? If Muslims are getting killed anywhere, they themselves are to blame. Just name me a single nation, where Muslims live peacefully.
Rehana Kanji
August 20, 2012 8:31 am
to they won't
Hotchand
August 20, 2012 9:45 am
A true & painful story. Mostly minorities facing such problems. No way to protect when state support radical elements even judges don't play neutral like happened in rinkal case.
A pakstani
August 20, 2012 8:35 am
Job of reporter is to report not make fictional stories.If u want to write fiction write a novel. Hindus are given tough time in Pakistan with extortion and kidnapping but no girl has been converted against her will. All the above mentioned girls were given a choice in Supreme Court to revert back but they didnot. They converted apparently because the boy they ran away was muslim. As I said Hindus are given tough time but no one has been converted forcefully.Where are the christian converted. As to all the comments of Whom majority are from india. The problem is they are ready to jump the gun in demonizing pakistan and they clap when a Pakistani does it. Its the same case which happens in india with khap. where parents do not want their girl to marry outsider.here the difference is religion. So please stop demonizing each other and get the facts. And miss faiza report one case where girl says later she was converted forcefully. So stop your fantasy and be a reporter.
Caz
August 20, 2012 8:54 am
All religions are man made belief systems. In pakistan, religion is the cage in which peoples minds are imprisoned to ensure the hold of the corrupt military led ruling elites on the resources and wealth of the country. A democratic , secular , undivided and non- aligned Hind is best
Awam.
August 20, 2012 8:54 am
Dear Reporter, thanks for sharing this painful story of innocent girl. I think there should be documentary on this issue. What I suppose it will be again Oscar nominated of real story of woman same as "Saving Face". People say there are political problem in Pakistan, many say there are economical problem in my country and what actually problem is "Failed Society". This is just like a blood cancer.
skyalrk
August 20, 2012 8:58 am
what is the fact in UNO HUMAN RIGHTS ABOUT PAKISTAN then it's america is devil and behind it ! when you killed 3millions muslims in east pakistan what did you say? indian agents when yoou kill baloch > indian agents when you killed your own minister & governor for balsphemy : too bad YOU MUSSALMAN BUT WITHOUT ISALM
disgusted
August 20, 2012 9:01 am
The woman from Gujrat is known for her anti-Pakistan propaganda just to attract Indian readers. Cheap ploy.... without fact........
geekay09
August 20, 2012 9:03 am
You do not understand anything about Khap. The problem there is that you can not marry with the same surname meaning he/she is your brother/sister rather than spouse. So, Khap wants people to marry outside the family and not like muslims. As for denial about conversion, did it not occur to you that Rinkle Kumari was not given access to her parents even in the court. She was fed the answers via mobile phone attached to her ear. The judge was scared to go against the local MNA. I suggest you read from other sources - look for the blogs of Pakistani themselves. The main media is very compromised. I saw on youtube all the live interview with that MNA who was involved in her case. People were so scared to talk to him including the media persons. So, my advise is don't stay in denial ven if you do not act to change the situation of minorities in Pakistan.After all the minorities are gone, it will be fight between each other because now fight and slaughter is guaranteed until the end. After all there are plenty of divisions within the Muslim faith itself.
geekay09
August 20, 2012 9:04 am
Is image your concern or addressing the problems Pakistan is facing.
Hina Nawab
August 20, 2012 9:05 am
There is not force conversion in Islam.Qur'an Surah 2 verse 256, "There is no compulsion in religion."[3] Its act of sick minds.I would do anything to protect innocent Hindu girl.I am Muslim and feel ashamed of all such acts.
disgusted
August 20, 2012 9:07 am
Rahul, Pakistan is not a safe place for minorities but India is no heaven either. See thousand of Muslim killed in Aasam since 1998, Kashmir and Gurjat, At least Pakistanis are not killing minorities they are only converting. There is a big difference between converting and killing. Hope you got the point. Peace
simple human being
August 20, 2012 9:08 am
sorry to say islam enforces one God with fierce punishment which is not permissible in modernity and tolerant hindu faith which always stood for universal brotherhood and let and live,India in spite of its problems homes 20 crore Muslim,being law,justice,their is no even single case where girl are married to old,illiterate and ignorant man just being minority,it is shameful and most dehumanising to think to treat girl in such horrible way most tragic is law,govt and feudalistic way of system,,God will destroy pakistan soon,balouchistan is boiling and if they keep on destroying prosperity ,diversity of pakistani indigenous public which is owner of pakisani will curse and pakistan will stop exist soon,because tear,pain,cruetlies of innocent always bring disaster for whole nation.
disgusted
August 20, 2012 9:11 am
Now What happens when Hindus start killing and force coverting muslims? Killing is already happening...conversion will never happen since no one want to trade a newer car for an old one.
pramod
August 20, 2012 9:13 am
Will you allow your sister to marry a Hindu boys if she is willing to marry him.I am sure no and you with whole city who ll find it against Islam will attack the boys house .
tushar joshi
August 20, 2012 9:18 am
All the above mentioned girls were given a choice in Supreme Court to revert back but they didnot. because your brother treated their parents. Which is also mention by the writer. Kindly read the document before giving replay. One thing you speak as true pakstani who lives in denial.
Santosh from India.
August 20, 2012 9:21 am
Dear disgusted, you are absolutely right. Hindus should change their tactics. Do not kill. Convert by raping. Thanks for the Idea.
kumar
August 20, 2012 9:22 am
honey, you are bringing a bad name to Pakistan. now look at the brighter side, your parents are relieved of their responsibility to feed you, clothe you and find a suitable bridegroom for you; every thing has been taken care of now. your son can even become the president of Pakistan! which cannot be if you remain a hindu. see, the converted girls have disowned their hindu families; so where is the case? so stop whining.
GIG
August 20, 2012 9:23 am
Come on Pakistani, those guys first kidnap her, keep her with them for many days(they never allow them to contact parents), threaten to kill the parents, then forcibly convert her, then marry her, then do arranged rapes.......then you gus give her a chance to talk against you, tell me or show me a incident where a girl got converted in presence of their parents, i will challenge you to show a conversion of a person by will. I will tell you leave pakistan, facing Muslim community in India itself is too difficult, once girl gone...gone..i never saw a incident where she came back...when she tries coming back same threatening of killing her parents....the peace loving poor hindu girls..always die, day by die in the hell.
soni
August 20, 2012 9:26 am
How do you explain reduction of Hindu Community in Pakistan from 22% to 1% over 65 years?
rakesh
August 20, 2012 9:27 am
Does your God say to do so. if yes, is he really God ?
PARVEEZ
August 20, 2012 9:32 am
We should stand up to these people, and speak out, if that gives a bad name to Pakistan, then let t be. Why these so called muslimes giving ISLAM a bad name.
virkaul
August 20, 2012 9:33 am
What an argument!
Dilshad
August 20, 2012 9:34 am
Dear Disgusted, If ur sister is converted to other religion its only then that u will be able to know, what is better to be killed as a minority or to be converted (forcefully)!
Mojo
August 20, 2012 9:37 am
The separation of East Pakistan. I disagree with disgusted's comment above.
Kumar
August 20, 2012 9:37 am
See i don't want to comment regarding any religion but forcing anyone to convert the religion in Islam and even in any other religion no buddy is teaching you that kind of things but unfortunately So me Muslims of Pakistan destroying the Image of Islam and Muslims............ Before we were hearing bomb blast, terrorist activities but now new trend force conversion, kidnapping Hindu girls and stealing the shops of Hindus ETC and Migrating from One country to another is not a solution..... From last 15 years i was reading Islamic books and Quranic ayat but i didn't change my religion may be i know Islam much more better then a normal Muslim but i didn't convert because i know my religion also that's we called knowledge Islam is a very good religion but scientific proofs but why u guys are forcing to people to accept..... Muhammad PBUH didn't do this thing they just spread the Islam now its up to you, You want to accept or not.... See in india Dr zakir Nayik in Hindu State he is giving message of ISLAM and most of the people accepting Islam by heart that we called proper conversion........ And always we are saying we have a democracy and always abusing India and our lovely govt what they are saying nothing wrong in this country and we know very well our govt from last 4 years what they did for country.......................
mukthar
August 20, 2012 1:35 pm
I don"t know whether the story is fake or real ....If it is true then it is not Islam .
aroon
August 20, 2012 9:39 am
dude you are right because we didn't do anything wrong just because of few muslims whole muslim community will face insult from every where............
virkaul
August 20, 2012 9:39 am
Pakistani in denial mode as always.
Dr. Billah
August 20, 2012 9:39 am
Those who are doing this injustice have no connection with Islam, these are evil culprits and blacksheep of vibrant Muslim Society flourishing in the world including the west. Islam is a columnation of faiths and upholds human hights, honours and dignities of all human beings irrespective of colours and creeds. There is no compulsion to accept Islam, clearly written in Al Quraan, any body can check it even today. I have sympathy for all who are oppressed all over the world. Evils are destined to perish, no matter who they are. Dr. Billah, UK
M. Salah
August 20, 2012 9:40 am
Hello Disgusted, Has any muslim went to Pakistan for help. We are very happy here, muslim can become predient of India. Muslim proudly celebrate EID here.We have all rights and even more. We fought but still we are one. If you pakistqni do not interfere with us there will less or no killing in India. Converting by force is Haram in Islam and you are doing it. That why from 18% now u have only 2% Hindu in Pakistan
rakesh
August 20, 2012 9:44 am
If we hindus in India think like you what would be the future of muslim's in India.
fahad
August 21, 2012 8:38 am
Has comming out in numbers helped us in any cause ? , there is not much justice here so all of us are suffering even muslims that are rapped and killed , what whould u say to that , its same across for all religions here even muslims.
skylark
August 21, 2012 9:07 am
you should be given a post in pak govt . You must see the uno uman right's commission. you may dismiss it ! good luck with your ignorance ,it will fuel the fire of fundamentalism.
S.Subrahmanyam
August 20, 2012 3:19 pm
When Pranab Mukherjee was sworn in as the President of India, we witnessed a Parsi Chief Justice Kapadia swear in a Brahmnin President Mukherjee, with a Muslim Vice President Hamid Ansari, Sikh Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, an Italian born Catholic Chairman of the ruling party Sonia Gandhi, and a Dalit Speaker of the Parliament Meira Kumar in the audience. Our Chief of the Army is Bikram Singh, a Sikh and our Chief of Air Force is Air Marshal Browne, an Anglo Indian Christian.
abcd
August 20, 2012 3:20 pm
do you in 21 st century, wear hats?
The Hindu
August 20, 2012 3:20 pm
Change is only constant in the world. Development is life ...those who can't, sure will perish. I hope who are carrying head on shoulder will understand message between lines....change before its too late.
abcd
August 20, 2012 3:23 pm
almost every sub-continental muslim knows this. but, heck, they would not accept this. rather they like to believe that they aredescendents of persians, arabs, turks....hell, STOCKHOLM SYNDROME was coined too late, it is already a phenomenon in our part of world.
ahmed
August 21, 2012 9:05 am
I am sure I can find enough stories more brutal then this one in Hindu India against 18 million muslims in India.....but to take it as an example and portray Pakistanis as blood sucking vampires only fuels the fire... AS WE ARE NOT.....a christian classmate used to study with me and never had any problems..in fact he was my best friend........his dad was in the railways dept..... The only solution lies in educating the masses......both modern and primarily true islamic knowledge.....
abcd
August 20, 2012 3:33 pm
sorry, i disagreed with your comment by reading just first few lines.....should have read the entire write-up, before giving judgement. sorry, next time i would be a better reader.
Mohammad Khan
August 20, 2012 3:35 pm
It is the duty of Islamic scholars to openly emphasize the true teaching of the Holy Quran and that is "there is no compulsion in religion" to all the religious zealots. Failling that, they are doing dis-service to the Religion of Peace, hence a great sin in itself.
Imran A.
August 20, 2012 3:38 pm
All the blame goes to Zia Ul Haq (May Allah have mercy on his soul). I hate to speak ill of the dead. But I can't help but to love this child who out of love made a sacrifice for the safety of her family - I wish I could provide her safety. As for the Pakistanis, please understand that when Hindus converted to Islam, it was done in a loving way by the Sufis. The Muslims in the Middle East were converted by the sword (including the Meccans), except for the Madinites. DON'T ADOPT THEIR VERSION OF ISLAM! THEY ARE BARBARIC BY NATURE, THEY EVEN MARTYRED ALL THE IMAMS AND HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ALLAH'S BELOVED ONES. When the Sufis from ME migrated to India, we were blessed by their presence, we loved them and gladly converted to Islam.
Milind
August 20, 2012 3:38 pm
Very very well said. And very clearly and simply said too. I have noticed that among many Hindus who try explaining their religion to others saying in the end, Hinduism is about one God - implicitly accepting the thought the philosophy of God is somehow automatically better than a philosophy of more than one God, or that of no Gods at all. Who cares? More importantly why should anyone care whether another believes or does not believe in the same imaginary space friend as you? What difference does it really make on a personal level? Religion does poison everything.
Abdullah K
August 20, 2012 3:42 pm
A sad story of a Hindu girl. In the name of religion, we have crossed all the limits. Bias has persisted. In1961 -63, I attended an old well known college in Rawalpindi run by American Presbyterian Church.Student body mostly muslims (95%) was segregated, we had our own dinning hall where Christian students were not welcomed. We hardly mingled with them. Those of us who tried to change the rules were a drop in the bucket. Sadly in the name of religion we have turned our fellow Pakistanis into alien status in their country of birth. Government of AAZ & MQM supposedly secular party have not lifted a finger to remedy this abhorable crime. Wonder what happened to this poor girl ? Was she released from the clutches of these fanatics ?
Jamal Syed
August 20, 2012 3:43 pm
I apologize to all religions, as all of us moderate Muslims stand ashamed with our heads down. If there is any consolation, it is not just for the non-Muslims, it is equally difficult for any level head Muslim from disparate sects to live among these conservative, hypocrite and low life so called Musalmans. Every day brings a new low to our nation, thanks to these animals.
Mobashar Ahmad
August 20, 2012 3:48 pm
@ Qasim...u cannot keep saying Islam does not allow this and do nothing to stop those muslims who are doing such horrendous acts. Dead speaks louder than words.. Your and I have a lot of work to do. Please accept the problem and make efforts to correct it. Get out denial for heaven sake.
Masood A
August 20, 2012 3:55 pm
Every Hindu girl's future is bleak in this' land of pures'. What if Hindus in India start treating muslim girls same way ? We all will hit the ceiling, burn every Hindu house to ashes- all in the name of misguided notion that our one God is ever powering, dominant over multiple gods of polytheistic religion.
Iqbal
August 20, 2012 3:59 pm
Islam and sharia is going to dominate the world ..
Avik Roy
August 20, 2012 4:03 pm
Well, just like Islam Christianity also spread through the sword.
Roger
August 20, 2012 4:09 pm
Well said!
Pankaj Patel (USA)
August 20, 2012 4:10 pm
Faiza, I salute you for this brave article, but this upsets me and makes me angry nothing else.What is use of reading such an article which makes me hate some people? What is difference then between me and such people?Instead I would suggest that you write about some Muslim has done good to a Hindu girl and this will surly spread massage of love.I am very sorry to read that the land where Hinduism originated and flourished for five thousand has become such unbearable to Hindus.I do not want to react and stay on my peaceful way.
Roger
August 20, 2012 4:14 pm
Gerry - There is perhaps historical evidence to suggest that has been the case in certain areas of the world. I currently live in Malaysia, and I don't see current evidence of violence in this regard - though there are government policies which clearly favor the Muslims. . Indonesia is even more tolerant in outlook.
Arshad
August 21, 2012 10:57 am
I wonder what is happening in the minds of these people who force non-Muslims to convert to Islam. After all in Islam there is no validity for forced conversion. However, I have noticed the holier-than-thou attitudes of some Hindus-Indians who make their remarks on Dawn forum. It gives them pretentious to pursue their frustrations out on Pakistani Muslims. If your India is so good stay there and don’t pour out your hatred for Muslims here. Remember the demolition of the 500 year old Muslim Mosque In Ayodha? Remember the cold blooded murder of the Guajarati Muslims? It seems you conveniently forget the despotic and fundamentalist crimes hindus commit in India against Muslims and Christian. Look within yourselves first before you come to the Pakistani forum!!!
Roger
August 20, 2012 4:17 pm
Ritu - Sometimes, you have to focus on the positives.
Prasad
August 20, 2012 4:21 pm
When 180 million people accept such incidents over decades, they must be painted with one brush ... they are as complicit as the few perpetrators ... anyways, the 180 million are now seeing that it is not just sufficient to be a Muslim, but you have to be a Sunni and even then you have to follow Wahabism ... pretty soon, it will be each Mosque for itself in Pakistan ... whichever Mulla can incite more hatred against the next Mosque wins ...
Zimbo Indian
August 20, 2012 4:26 pm
Malik saheb, please read the fourth line from the bottom. This is not the story of a particular girl. It is a representative piece which is meant to convey a situation in a generalised manner. The details of individual cases may be different but the essence would be the same.
abc
August 20, 2012 4:27 pm
awesome agrument. Bravo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahmed
August 20, 2012 4:28 pm
Somehow I just don't see a beeline at the borders to immigate to Pakistan. Do you?
Raoul Ciao
August 20, 2012 4:28 pm
well said !
Pankaj Patel (USA)
August 20, 2012 4:28 pm
Well said Ahmed politics in the name of God is worst then known politicians, Zardari, Sharif, Bush or Obama.
Jamal Syed
August 20, 2012 4:28 pm
Ahh.. the problem is that ONLY you people know about the religion. We are just supposed to obey you. You talk to Allah. You find the hidden meanings in Quran. You have the key to Jannah. You are the sheppard and we are the lambs. You can slaughter us as you need to provide for your journey. You will decide who is right and who is wrong. Anyone who does not agree with you is kaafir.Their god is different. They are agents of foregin intelligence and hence 'wajabul qatal'. You will decide who will be part of your society and who will be outcasted. Because you the true Muilsim...MAY ALLAH SAVE US FROM YOU..
john
August 20, 2012 4:29 pm
All hindus and sikhs in pakistan must leave and come to India.
John
August 20, 2012 4:29 pm
Are you kidding me?
Raoul Ciao
August 20, 2012 4:32 pm
are you insane here Zimbi=o or did you make a mistake in your writings?
John Jani Janardan
August 20, 2012 4:33 pm
Author is from Dawn. This is a reality. Just as powers in Delhi seem to think that one can sustain life in India on Rs. 28 per day so do most educated muslims think that there is religious freedom and secularism in Pakistan (for that matter even in India). Open up your eyes and see a different world. The real world. Take the red pill my friend.
john
August 20, 2012 4:33 pm
After all this, muslims cry Islam is a religion of peace.
Raoul Ciao
August 20, 2012 4:36 pm
similarly Salah, as there is conversion in Islam, these girls CAN and should be allowed to "convert" back, right? Hinduism allows Hindus to revert to Hindusim if they want..... will you support that for these poor girls, who also seem to have been raped....forced marriages lead to that, you know.....
CK12
August 20, 2012 4:38 pm
Excellent, excellent excellent. Your article put tears in my eyes. I am an ex-muslim and have no regrets.
Raoul Ciao
August 20, 2012 4:39 pm
Muslim girls are married off with mehr etc. The Hindus are abducted and forced into marriage with no payment issues and - a license to rape.
Raoul Ciao
August 20, 2012 4:41 pm
it's called a parable DEVI... a story with a moral...normally imagined but based on real incidents to get a point across. get it? No you won't. Truth is very difficult to digest.
Raoul Ciao
August 20, 2012 4:42 pm
showing you the mirro Modassar. happy Eid, hope you learnt something.
Badar
August 20, 2012 4:44 pm
Its a brave author. One always wonders why there's a rapid rise in conversion among young Hindu girls of Pakistan. I must ask the religious fanatics to let Pakistan's non-muslim minorties live their lives on their own terms and peacefully. That's the way of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Please follow it.
Uzair
August 20, 2012 4:44 pm
What a piece of fiction, author seems to be creating fear for no apparent reason. It is verly clear that Pakistani courts are stand strong to defend the rights of minorities.
Anand
August 20, 2012 4:47 pm
i thought the same Sir. Hats off to the writer. I think she should be given the indian citizenship.
Ali
August 20, 2012 4:49 pm
Write against Islam and link it the Muslims of Pakistan and get famous quick. May I ask what is the source?
Rem
August 20, 2012 4:55 pm
What a super bad state is this guy in?
patriotic-american
August 20, 2012 4:55 pm
Another false (lie) report to discredit Islam and Pakistan.
Suraj
August 20, 2012 5:00 pm
Who are you trying to fool ? The seniormost judge Bhagwandas couldnt become the Chief Justice of Pakistan. I think there is only one Hindu soldier in the Pakistani army and yes there are Christian teachers and they are there because there are Christian educational institutions. 180 milllion cannot be painted in a brush but the silence of the majority is akin to being of the same color.
Dr. SK Laroiya
August 20, 2012 5:05 pm
those who do in name of islam are really kaafirs. a true muslim does not do so but who cares in Pakistan now. the society has been hijacked by the omnious mullahs and they run the roost and the authorities look the other way. hope saner voices with in pak society shall emerge other wise day is not far when Pakistan will descend into ancient times
Great Thinker
August 20, 2012 5:08 pm
There is a certain fierce arrogance, when some people who follow the Islamic religion call themselves as Muslims and the rest as "non-Muslims". Doesn't the term "Non-Muslim" smack of an arrogance. If the so-called Muslims behave in this manner, forced coversions, abductions, violence, terrorism, lies etc., I guess the "non-Muslims" must confer the title "Sub-Humans" to these less- evolved beings.
shadab
August 20, 2012 5:19 pm
the girls who have embrassed islam tells you people even in front of supereme court that they have embrassed islam according to their wish and choice why you are not beliving them. we condem if there is any force conversion but you should also accept if by your heart if any girl or boy is chosing islam by its choice.
Mohammad Khan
August 20, 2012 5:22 pm
Extremist and misguided crazys are in every religion and country. I for one don't endorse it. However E.Pak.,and Balochi are concerned, your figures are extremely exaggerated to say the least. In the case of E.Pak. subsequently reports proved that India for sure was behind the break up of E.Pak. And American intelligence agencies are now stoking flames of seperation in Balochistan so they can take over whatever energy resources Pakistan has discovered thus far and also bypass Pakistan on their way to Afghanistan. Murder of Minister was a witchhunt. By the way India and USA has killed more people in the name of democracy and freedom and unending wars in Kashmir, Asam, Afghanistan and now in Syria and soon to come in Iran. U don't seemed to complain about that, do u.
Girish
August 20, 2012 5:25 pm
Well, author's children/grand children/great grand children will also force non-Muslims girls to their fath just like her tormentor whose ancestors had been. Eventually all humans will be Muslims. Cycle will stop. We will have peace like in Middle East !!!!!
aaa
August 20, 2012 5:26 pm
Crime is a crime whether its is done in the name of religion or not in the name of religion. I feel nowadays every crime get an extra label and goes off a discussion about the label. Sunnis did this, mulla did this, pathans did this. Coservatives meant this, liberals did that. Educated do this, uneducated mean that. In the end all that is left is to choose one of these identities.
Ixion
August 20, 2012 5:26 pm
Totally fake .. just to stoke anti-Pakistan hate, appease Hindus and shore online hits.
GABBAR SINGH
August 20, 2012 5:32 pm
Truthful article
Siva D
August 20, 2012 5:41 pm
Actually, this needs mentioning - Mr. Antony is an atheist born in a christian family. It does round off the rainbow that is the India we love, nicely.
K RAMANI
August 21, 2012 11:14 am
i see very few comments on this article from Pakistanis. It speaks volumes on the attitude. See the Hindu families fleeing Pakistan. If the reverse were true , hell would have been let loose all over. What can you say? Except when is this going to end
devapratim
August 20, 2012 5:45 pm
I am an Indian and I read dawn for the last 4 years regularly, you have a problem with that, Mr Modasar??
Devapratim
August 20, 2012 5:47 pm
What precisely was happening in Odisha Mr Nak?
abcd
August 21, 2012 8:01 am
sachchar report? tell us about the controversial points..will you please?
Mr. A
August 20, 2012 5:52 pm
What is this article? Is this article to attract Indian or what? I know, as i see many comments i'll also receive dislikes. Shame on you Faiza Mirza. I don't even know if your even qualified. First of all why do you denote this as a fact that this happens in Pakistan as whole rather than saying it happened in tehsil or city of Kandhkot in Sindh, Pakistan. I deeply condemn such acts that the guard did to the Hindu girl, but let us not forget he was just a guard and probably illiterate. Awareness and education should be promoted in such areas and he should be apprehended and convicted for this insane crime. Islam is never imposed on anyone. It simply doesn't allow this. 2nd of all non-muslims cannot be a president or prime minister because because it is an Islamic Republic, but they can be anything other than this. Examples of well known non-muslim Pakistanis: Deepak Parwani (fashion desinger), Danish Kaneria (test cricketer), Anil Dalpat (test cricketer) and Rana Baghwandas (former chief justice of Pakistan). In fact most of the successfull non-Muslims in Pakistan are Hindus. Last but not the least is the fact that in Pakistan there may be some instances of these events but are very very less and at least there are no war crimes committed against them nor their temples are ever demolished compare to India [so called secular country which in actual is Hindustan (land of Hindus)] where in Jammu Kashmir there have been many cases of war crimes against muslims and continue to happen and a masjid has also been martyred. i don't play blame game all i say is based on facts! Due to the act of some people we can never blame a country or a religion. Peace to all!
K.M. Nawaz
August 20, 2012 5:52 pm
Faia Mirza is a brave girl reporting the case in an extremist socierty. She should be praised and cherised for filing just this one report alone.
Benam
August 21, 2012 11:10 am
Jesus, the number of Indians commenting here is incredible!
Prashant
August 20, 2012 6:15 pm
If anybody provide any instance of a muslim girl forced to convert to Hinduism by force in India, I will shoot myself..Thats the level of confidence I have..
Amit
August 20, 2012 6:16 pm
Faiza, u depicted a true story of a poor segment of this barbaric society. This is a story of every hindu girl of Pakistan. No ray of hope at any corner.
kausik
August 20, 2012 6:19 pm
I compliment the writer Faiza mirza and editor of Dawn for publishing the true story of agonising ordeals one goes through conversion from one form slavery to another.The only non materialistic element is Thought which is powerfull and nobody can stop hence people resort to brain washing.even if whole world becomes muslim still syria's,egypt,libia's going to happen and shias and sunnis will never find peace.
Anshu
August 20, 2012 6:22 pm
While they may be forbidden - it happens all the time. Read history of our people my friend. See what Aurangzeb did in India - which belonged to you too at least during that time. Islam spread in India mainly because of coercive methods - like the sword or taxes for being non-muslim.
Ali Bhaakri
August 20, 2012 6:23 pm
hats off to the reporter???????? lols hats off for spicing up the story of a poor girl into a hate speech against the country and religion by associating actions of some heartless barbarians to Islam and Pakistan. No Religion in world either it is Islam, Hinduism, Christianity or Judaism supports any kind of violence against any form of life. things like that and much worse than this happen in other parts of world including India too but our media is too fond of promoting ONLY such things just to gain mere attention and make a little bit of money at the cost of their Nations pride, in spite of doing this we should take practical actions in order overcome this barbarian thinking which is injected in minds of innocent people of our country . and if some non- muslim people think that there fellows are the only sufferers of these so called Muslims than let me tell u the shias( a minority muslim sect) are treated far worse than this and killing them assures heaven after death to some sect of muslims but i still love my Country and my religion because it is not owned by those heartless butchers but Islam is the teachings of Auliya and Pakistan is the land of Their followers.
abcd
August 20, 2012 6:24 pm
get used to of indians on pakistani sites......just remember no. of indians having internet is going to reach 600 million by 2020 from 120 million today. whereas pakistanis are going to reach only 85 million from 35 million today.
Kalyan
August 20, 2012 6:25 pm
Why should people leave where they and their family have lived for centuries? Due to the politics of faith? The solution is to not leave but to organize, unite, create awareness, resist and fight the sword with the pen. If you start running you will find soon there is nowhere to go.
Sana Haq
August 20, 2012 6:26 pm
a very stirring depiction of the harsh truth..
layman
August 20, 2012 6:28 pm
In the 21 st Century this is happening in a nation. Then Imagine how the barbaric invaders carried out conversion. All of the pakistani people are converted .. converted means forcefully. Once Pakistanis accept that they will have the courage to prevent these atrocities and they will preserve their roots. Paki's leave your arab tents and embrace who you are and value your forefathers civilization
Kalyan
August 20, 2012 6:30 pm
Such moderate thoughts are welcome but the reason for generalization is that some of these conversions happened on National Television and there was not a single voice calling in to protest. Many of the country's leaders are also afraid to take a secular view looking at what happened to Salman Taseer. The radicalization of society is deeper than what the elites in the country may want to believe.
fiaz
August 20, 2012 6:32 pm
Islam was not spread through sword but what muslims of today specially what is happing in pakistan is tottaly againest teaching of islam, no one during the time of prophet Muhammad was forced to convert to islam..
Dee
August 20, 2012 6:33 pm
Have you even bothered to read what triggered the riots and killings of Muslims? Your statement reeks of the fact that if a Muslim kills a non believer, it's never something to get furious about, but if a Muslim is killed in retaliation by the aggrieved party, then they're being "victimsed"! Please do not present Muslims as harmless people who're targetted for no reason. In fact, if you will bother to observe, you will realise, not others but only Muslims have time and again expressed hatred and intolerance for people of all possible faiths. Show tolerance and respect to fellow human beings, to gain tolerance and respect from them.
fiaz
August 20, 2012 6:33 pm
i agree
Sam
August 21, 2012 11:40 am
sure it is Imran..
@politicalrot
August 21, 2012 11:39 am
Founder of India? India was not founded by Gandhi, my friend, India existed from the time of prehistory.
Divya
August 20, 2012 6:37 pm
Such people are everywhere, the problem is why isn't anybody tackling them? For how long, can a country ignore the persecution of a community by tyrant forces in the name of "vested" interest?
fiaz
August 20, 2012 6:41 pm
Bravo FAIZA, i wish every one of us who love pakistan could think and care like you, after all we are all Human, let ones choose, no one has right to force his blieve into others throat.
Dee
August 20, 2012 6:46 pm
Did you read or didn't you read - threat to the family, perhaps similar fate for "young" vulnerable sisters, killing of brothers? Good Material prospects?!?! In Pakistan?!?! Are you serious?
Siddiqui
August 20, 2012 6:49 pm
IT would be good if such issues can be analyzed based on facts rather than emotionalism that is evident in both this article and the comments below it. As far as mina and rinkle kumari case is concerned, the entire civil society and judiciary investigated again and again and couldn't find any proof of forced conversion. It was simply a case of conversion for love marriage. It seems to be that even if those ladies had yelled at the top of their voices right under India gate that they were converting out of their freewill, ultra-liberals still wouldn't believe it. To my indian friends: I or any right-minded liberal Pakistani would not for a single moment condone any forced conversion or abuse of human right of any person. We are fully with you when you argue against abuse fo human rights in PAkistan or anywhere. But for heaven's sake don't start believing all that you read... unfortunately facts are really getting clouded in this liberal vs. conservative tussle in South Asia. Not everything that is published is accurate depiction of facts... blogs are especially susceptible to personal biases and opinions of the writers.
NARVEER JADHAV
August 21, 2012 11:38 am
Dear Fiaza Mirza, First of all i would like thanks you for this article contribution and also appreciate your courage to publish this article which will help to understand the problems Hindu people are facing in Pakistan. I would like tell the people of Pakistan is that this kind of thing god will accept i thing no religion will teach do this kind of things. God expect from us humanity, love( Not forcebly). Please understand and try to change your attitudes and one fine god will teach lesson......
fiaz
August 20, 2012 6:52 pm
Sir i think you are living in dream world, right at this moment down syndrom infant girl is locked up in rawalpindi jail accused of burning Quran, over 100 people were demanding the police to hand overthe girl to them. did you not read what they did to mentally ill person few weeks ago, they draged him out of police station, killed him, then burned his body, wake up sir, we living in mentally disturbed society.
shiva
August 20, 2012 7:00 pm
This courageous writer means well on your point; in keeping with Mahatma Gandhi's favorite "Eashwar Allah Tero Naam, Sabko Sanmathi Dhe Bhagwan" [Eashwar or Allah Your name, please give good/peaceful mind to one and all].
khan
August 20, 2012 7:02 pm
And don't forget your main opposition party blabbering on about "minority appeasement" and restricting conversions in Gujarat and Rajasthan...
farhanahmed1993
August 20, 2012 7:03 pm
religion doesn't matter. humanity matters. you can't force anyone to force your religion. be good enough that people get inspire from you and want to adapt your life style.
Khan
August 20, 2012 7:05 pm
Incredibly simplistic. Yes, there were forced conversions in some parts of the Muslim world, but in the non-Arab world, it was primarily through merchants and Sufis. What Sheikh forced the people of Malaysia or Indonesia to convert? Or Uzbekistan? or Somalia? Or Zanzibar? or Maldives? Or the Moors of the Philippines? No, this "Islam was spread by the sword" argument is simplistic and misleading. Realize that in a region as vast as the Muslim world that you cannot use the same brush to paint everyone's history the same color.
Fahad
August 21, 2012 8:35 am
My friend you have very little knowledge then , there have been multiple incidednts where this has been questioned and the culprits have been taked to trial and punished. all that is required is the justice which sadly is missing for every thing here.. hope we can get some justice
sri1ram
August 20, 2012 7:06 pm
Mojo, so Bdesh has the remaining 21% of Hindus (rather 42% even assuming even population split between east and west Pakistan)? Sadly, today a nation facts-check shows B'desh to have 9.6% Hindus as of 2004! Whereas Muslim population of India increased from 12% in 1947 to nearly 16% today, in spite of all propaganda about RSS, General Purohits, riots, subjugation of muslims etc. Please do a fact check from non-Indian sources!
sri1ram
August 20, 2012 7:11 pm
Muslim population of India increased from 12% in 1947 to nearly 16% today, in spite of all propaganda about genocides. RSS, reconversions, General Purohits, riots, subjugation of muslims etc. Please do a fact check from non-Indian sources!
ghazanfar
August 21, 2012 11:36 am
Please for gods sake Dawn, tell us if this is a real story or a work a fiction by Firza. We need serious change in the legal system, policing and in the mentality of the uneducated masses. If this is true, its an absolute disgrace that this can happen in this day and age in Pakistan, It does not matter what happens across the border to Indian Muslims, Pakistani Hindus are in no way to blame. If some one has wronged you, you do not take it out on a innocent party, it simply cannot be justified. If its true, we need to find the culprits, find them guilty, then hang them ( or stone them ) and put the bodies on display for all to see. If this is true, we need a government / Army sponsored investigation into how this can happen, then to go after anybody who has ever been involved in anything like this, and bring them to justice. Whats the point of us being Muslims if we allow this kind of injustice to happen? Do you think God will be pleased by this? Forced conversions in Islam? You cant be serious can you? Please tell me this is not true.... If its true, I fear we are doomed, God will make sure justice is served eventually to the Hindu Girls and the People who did this and to us for allowing this to happen.
sri1ram
August 20, 2012 7:17 pm
Staunch Indian muslims need not apply for Pak visa/citizenship, after all they are staunch Indians. Only the doubting, suspicious Thomases who thrive on conspiracy theories and mullah-logic like Zakir Nayak should be pushed off outside India.
p kumar
August 20, 2012 7:22 pm
indus valley people must be paying for an unknown monumental sin fr what else will bring them to a situation where their own descendants although living in one country that is pakistan will be so split they would do this to their own sisters,if you believe that pakistanis are descendants of indus valley people.arabs finally conquered that country
H L
August 20, 2012 7:24 pm
Author: Job well done and message went straight to the heart. All others please don't try to ignite the problems between india and pakistan. We all have problems. point is 2 wrongs don't make a right. We as Pakistan later, muslims first need to understand and discourage such atrocities and condemn them fully. Islam does not preach "forcing in religion", and so are other religions as far as I have understood other religions. Its we (the people) who try to force our judgements and our beliefs on others. We not stop it.
Janjuah
August 21, 2012 11:35 am
Sometimes I feel ashamed of being Pakistani when I read or hear about such stuff. Then I feel proud to see such brave people who raise their voices against such issues. I ,as a muslim do not believe that any religion can gain rspect or be spread ........like this.... one must practice the religion one is born with as long as he/she decide as an adult to convert... what has gone wrong with our country in the last 10 years ..... so sad..........humans came first ..followed by religions and not the other way round...................We must understand the sentiments of all who get angry on such issues...
Whodunit
August 20, 2012 7:37 pm
An amazingly captivating article. I don't doubt that such forced conversions have happened in Pakistan. However, many posters here are missing the point. The issue is not solely about Islam or Pakistan. The issue is about abject ignorance. The issue is about how intolerance has caused such unfortunate and immoral acts to go unchecked. There are equally horrible acts happening in Pakistan to Pakistani girls such as Karo Kari. At the same time I have read about acts of taking young girls as Jogni's by pudits in India. What we need to take away from this article is that for the sake of religion we must not forsake our humanity.
Nikki
August 20, 2012 7:38 pm
Man you are living in your own world not knowing ground realities first find out the facts and come back. Apparently you are not naive just accepting the fact is difficult and calling fiction is easy.
S Kuma
August 20, 2012 7:39 pm
I am a Hindu from interior Sindh Pakistan , not far from writer's place . I salute you for your courage and want to share what I have experienced myself in Pakistan and I definateley would have loved if they had immigrated to india long ago . It is norm in sindh when if two people are fighting and want to challenge each other for blows and fists they say that " mujhe baniya samjha hai kiya" literally meaning that I will fight you and will kill you not unlike hindus who get slapped in the face and cant say a word. If I go on I can write hundreds of pages on how minorities are living in pakistan and being treated . We are not even treated as second class citizens but may be not humans at all as long as we are non muslims. I think there God must be very pleased with what they have achieved by ruining millions of peoples lives.
EmMoosa
August 20, 2012 7:39 pm
There are thousands of Faiza in our country but there are also handful of people who are doing illegal and immoral acts of forced conversions too. This is not actually the teaching of Islam. These ugly people are ulcers in the body of Pakistan and should be operated cleaned out for ever. Me and so many my countrymen hate them but we are helpless due to the present feudal and mullah infected society of Pakistan.
Guest
August 20, 2012 7:43 pm
I don't think u hav read enough of how Islam was spread ..Please do more research...
Vishal
August 20, 2012 7:49 pm
A very touching story but i appreciate the honesty and courage of the writer.people like you will definitely glorify your country by by bringing brightness and eliminate the darkness and ignorance.
faisal
August 20, 2012 7:49 pm
i agree with your comments about pakistan and im a pakistani. however, india is not that much better. pakistan has taken a turn for worse but it only makes india feel better because by comparison it looks like india is doing great. Once terrorism is eliminated pakistan will be a better place again - inshallah.
Shubs
August 20, 2012 8:01 pm
Completely agree abcd. What's the 'one god' deal anyway? It's a conept that binds the three abrahamic faiths. Why in the world do people following eastern religious philosophies fall over each other to accept this fairy tale? Are they trying to be 'legitimate' religions in the eyes of Christians, Muslims and Jews? The entire concept of god is unfathomable anyway - And somehow believing in 'one' of these guys is more legitimate than believing in 'many' of them? And to think that people actually went and created a country based on this?
proud Indian
August 20, 2012 8:09 pm
yeah, in our country (Great India), we don't force our women to convert. we just don't let them be born! by killing them in their moms' wombs.
David M
August 20, 2012 8:12 pm
Sooner the better .. must be Hindu-specific though; Sikhs are sane .. I would force or coax convert beautiful, Brahman Hindu women and herd the rest across the border .. they can take Faiza too.
Shubs
August 20, 2012 8:15 pm
Simple answer to you is that you do not represent the Pakistani nation. While you were in the US, claiming to be the face of Pakistan, your nation's military was waging covert wars in my country, training extremists to execute terrorist attacks on my country, your countrymen were lynching innocent citizens just because they were from a different faith, terrorist groups trained and armed by your country were attacking my country's diplomatic mission in Afghanistan. So, sir, feel free to feel offended and defamed. You have that luxury. My country, your own helpless non-Muslim citizens, and most of the civilized world are busy strategizing how to resist and contain the demon that the nation of Pakistan has become.
Shubs
August 20, 2012 8:17 pm
And what is happening in Indian cities, Jagga? As far as the well informed among us know, our citizens are being threatened with dire consequences by goons. But of course, that's not what your moulovi told you.
Akhtar
August 21, 2012 8:35 am
i njustice done to anyone irrespective of cast,creed and faith is injustice. it cannot be given any other appelation.i salute you faiza. you have done a wonderful job while living in sind, the land of dons.you took a great risk particularly.the story gave me ineffable pain and i feel it has been done to my daughters.Rachna Kumari,Rinkle kumari and others you are my daughters. i am willing to own you as hindu daughters of mine.remember it didnot happen to you for being hindu, it frequently happens to your fellow muslim girls in sind also.it is rather happening in the entire subcontinent. it is the result of myopic thinking. i wonder when wouldwe rise above this barbarism in south asia.i appeal to right thinking peoples to contribute in the abolishment of this curse from south Asia.
G.a
August 20, 2012 8:27 pm
I am not trying to fool anybody. I acknowledge the problem exists. I had Christian teachers in a Non-Christian school. But the fact that you admit there are Christian institutions proves my point. These institutions have predominantly MUSLIM students whom, I suppose, you could subtract from the 180 million that you decided to paint with the same brush.
kista
August 21, 2012 11:49 am
you are doing great work faiza by highlighting such incident but my sister the main issues still remains there.............State is not safeguading the rights of majority over here then where should minority goes for their protection...........All three organs od State are failed in providing security and justice to the people of Pakistan..........I m also hindu living in Pakistan and since my chlidhood have met many muslims brothers and sisters,some of whom were very intolerant(They dont even would like to drink water with me and used to treat me with hateness),but few of them were secular(they were so good by behaviiour that i never felt that i belong from minority class, .............so its the mindset which needs to be changed......... So far you are doing aunthentc work faiza but stil there is lot to do for minorites,give them a paltform where they can easily brief there issues and make them stakeholders iin the deveolpment of Pakistan.
NAD
August 20, 2012 8:32 pm
Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. Did the Holy Prophet SAW ever took revenge? Did he not forgive all who wanted to kill him? The Mullas are the cancer of Islam. No wonder in other part of the world people think Islam to be a backward religion.
Mohammed
August 20, 2012 8:33 pm
Fotget the illiterate people of India and Pakistan. The difference is that the 95% educated Moslem people will never come out in public and say clearly state that the Muslim people are like this, rather than just blaming on illiterate people or misinterpretation of Quran and Islam. While the educated Hindu or other religious people have always come out blaming it on the own religion when there was a need for it. But the point is that they do not really find any reason. So, you educated Muslim people, make public stands about wrongs in your religion and then you will be considered educated.
G.a
August 20, 2012 8:39 pm
Don't you find your comment awkward that you are commenting on an article by a Pakistani in a mainstream Pakistani paper that has so many Pakistanis condemning these forced conversions including myself. By the way. How are things in Assam these days?
ALI Hassan
August 20, 2012 8:39 pm
I do agree with u nontheless act of any individual or group should not be attributed to any religion wether its Islam, hinduism or what ever as atmost religions of the world lay emphasis on humanity and respect for humen even animals but these are humen who persecute humen in the name of religion, creed, colour or race.
XplorUrSelf
August 20, 2012 8:40 pm
Congratulations for writing this article. Keep on writing! Any voice raised against bad things is good. Voice against injustice and torture to women and weak members of society must be louder enough to be heard all around the globe. Congrats Ms Faiza!
ALI Hassan
August 20, 2012 8:47 pm
I think main problem is litracy rate as far as Pakistan is considered in particular.More the educated masses,more the respect for humanity will be.
MNG
August 20, 2012 9:02 pm
Faiza Great job! Bold story and to my worst hunch quite true especially within sindh's villages but to a small extent. Anyway does not matter if a hundred girls are converted in this manner or only one. What matters is what did the state do. I think I will have to agree with President Zardari's call to enact a law against forced conversions and then enforce it Because it shames us all. I think I as a Pakistani feel ashamed today. I hope and wish we will be able to correct our acts soon
XplorUrSelf
August 20, 2012 9:03 pm
Extra-ordinary response. I have never read like this before. It is an amazing thought- reversal of conversion. Yes Dr Billah reply to this question. I totally agree with that. This question should be asked to all those who claim to be moderate/liberal/educated Muslims.
Fahad Javaid
August 20, 2012 9:05 pm
Firstly, I will commend the writer who has bravely expressed the sad state of present Pakistan. I am shocked to core after reading this story and wondering where exactly are we heading to? The problem is that we have been held hostage by sham religious fanatics who are preaching altered divine laws. The thing that appalled me is that current federal government PPP is leftist party and this is happening in their tenure? Should I conclude from this story that they have failed to protect their minority segment of the society? Being a Pakistani muslim, I feel disgusted that we can not protect our fellow hindu sisters. Basically, the problem lies within us that we have already surrendered to their will and taken off their critical thinking hats. This is an era of darkness deprived of enlightenment, where trust is eroded and fear is peddled in the name of religion.
Mohammad Khan
August 20, 2012 9:06 pm
@ritu "you mean zakir niak who on public platform declares that islam is only true religion and majority of his tolerant hindu countrymen are following false religion?" Honestly, isn't this what most people really believe? That when it comes to faith, they have THE answer. Jews believe the same thing, as do the Catholics. As long as someone does not restore to violence or intimidation they can yell from the rooftops that they have the answer And that includes muslims and hindus.
Fahad
August 21, 2012 8:34 am
sorry to disappoint you there , but its not Sunah , In Islam practicing any relegion is allowed provided that you do not work against Islam, as per Islam any one who practices other relegion peacefully in a Islam country is to be protected and taken care of by the state and all muslims. This what is going on is not Islam no forced conversions are allowed and such marriages are strictly forbidden and the culprit should be taken to trial and punished. Saddly like every other thing from killing to bhatta khori to rape to murder that is happining in Pakistan its just a part of all that. its not allowed but no one can do anything with to stop these monsters who should be punished severely
Mahmood
August 20, 2012 9:08 pm
yes do u know wt is happening in Assam,,,,,,,surely not
XplorUrSelf
August 20, 2012 9:10 pm
That day will come when there will be no minority and no majority. All will understand that we were fool when fighting on the basis of religion. Look at all rich people of the world they are having good relations with each other despite different religions, they are doing business together, drinking wine and having fun. Religion is only for poor to misguide him, so that they should keep fighting and rich ones should keep on ruling.
Not a paki
August 20, 2012 9:18 pm
Religions are not bad. Islam is similar to Judaism and Christianity but Muslims are BAD
churchill
August 20, 2012 9:21 pm
What Pakistan needs is some good old fashioned British rule for another 100 years
John
August 20, 2012 9:51 pm
Mr. A, according to you Muslims are treated badly in India. If so, why are they not migrating to Pakistan. On the other hand there is an exodus of Hindus from Pakistan. Wake up and smell the coffee. I have many Muslim friends, and one of them said to me recently, he is very thankful his father did not migrate to Pakistan during partition. By the way he has relatives in Pakistan and has visited there many times.
FAPS
August 20, 2012 9:56 pm
Where did you get your numbers? Hindu Kashmiri's were forced from their own homeland. They are the one's that should be crying foul. As far as the Sikh situation is concerned, a number of pro-Khalistani'swere killing Hindus all over Punjab. Indira Gandhi was late to react but eventually got rid of Bhindrawale. Her death and the after-math of Sikh killings in Delhi will always be a sad chapter in Indian history. However, since then, India has made many strides to appease the Sikh community including the fact that the current prime minister is a Sikh. Mistakes were definitely made but there has also been an effort to correct them.
Roger
August 20, 2012 10:11 pm
Any state can 'only do so much'. Especially in a democratic environment. The only way this can be addressed is if Civil society takes it up and finds the means to fight off the injustice and barbarism prevalent within their society. Of course, we can have dictatorships, but that merely adds to violence.
A Subhan
August 20, 2012 10:15 pm
A good piece of writing .... What a simple narration of certainly a burning issue.... Very sad that nothing is being done to stop this menace of "forcible conversion of Hindu girls in Pakistan" and other hateful crimes against minorities..... Apparently , this is being done by criminally illiterate people (I don't think, they are Muslims in good standing) in an attempt to malign Islam. For the actions committed by these few individuals, Islam can not and should not be blamed for this. In this time of crises, protecting minorities should be a top priority of ALL governmental institutions.....
Tahira
August 20, 2012 10:18 pm
Sorry you are mistaken about muslim girls. Hundreds of muslim girls are brutalised by these same inhumane bearded+turbaned guys and I am sure they wish they were not born in a muslim household. This is a curse of God on a country where the learned and the Ulema do not protest against such injustice and brutality because they fear for their life and because instead of God, they consider their leaders as their providers. Ms Faiza, please write about how many protest marches by Ulema/ Vakeels are held against brutality and inhumanity in the last 2 years? Remember Salman TAseer and Shahbaz Bhatti for raising their voice against the black law of Blasphemy. Show me one example of this law from the time of our Holy Prophet SAW?
VKR
August 20, 2012 10:25 pm
Siddiqui sahib, kis duniya mein ji rahe ho aap? be realistic. I am not a emotionally charged person but after all such media coverage, you have got the gutts to say Rinklle kumari case doesn't have any proofs of forced conversion!!! I bet.... you go and talk to humain rights experts in pakistan.... they will provide you the unbiased version.......
Sasha Saif
August 20, 2012 10:25 pm
First of all let's not compare India and Pakistan. It's funny how all Indians have jumped to express their views and sentiments on this article. What were these Indian Hindus doing when Babri Masjid was demolished? If India is a secular nation then why are majority of seats in good univeristies, jobs in good organizations first given to Hindus? Muslims in India enjoy a 3rd rate life, always sucking up to the Hindus for their welfare. I have been to India several times and witnessed this difference myself. Having said this, India is a fantastic country otherwise and I don't want to comment on the nation much but I certainly don't want people to raise fingers at Pakistan. One incident like this can't malign Pakistan and honestly I don't even think this article is a real-life story. Lastly, that statement about Pope and Sword....oh please! Christanity is a religion which bribes people and converts them. Missionaries, schools and charitable institutes are opened by Christians and they lure the poor by providing them with basics of life (food/clothing) and convert them into Christians.
vkr
August 20, 2012 10:27 pm
oye sirji, pakistani court, konsi court??? choudhary ki darbar bolo to acha rahe hai... court lafz se bhi insaf ka asra milta hai.... choudhar ki darbar hamesha biased rahi hai aur rahe gi....
Tahira
August 20, 2012 10:28 pm
What good is the education if they lack the moral courage to protest against such injustice and brutality. They are deaf and dumb and will be equally responsible for the crime because they did not raise a voice against it. Shame.
Indian
August 20, 2012 10:30 pm
Don't worry, nothing will happen to any muslim in India because of this article. India is not like Pakistan.
Kesav
August 20, 2012 10:31 pm
My God,your God and their God is the 'Same Person'.So I don't know what Einstein is talking about.
Tahira
August 20, 2012 10:31 pm
Because Mr Qaim Shah has no guts to stand up to the mullah, he is too scared for his life. Shame.
vkr
August 20, 2012 10:32 pm
Sir with due respect, i am a pakistani too... and living with lot of muslim friends even outside pakistan. its not about islam or about pakistan. Its about fanatics who have made Pakistan hostage.... just observe around daily Shia killing, hazara killings, Nationalist killings.... Pakistan has failed to raise to occasion and wasted the opportunity to be an independent country yet we celebrate the independence!!!!
Ajaya K Dutt
August 20, 2012 10:34 pm
You are one, Your are "Sava Lakh". The pure one is 125,000 of the evil ones. May God bless you. Thanks to Dawn for letting these words see day of light in publication. What we all need to emphasize is that it is not Muslim or Hindu, but an evil one who makes use of an evil system. I feel an unspoken word around me, the word horrifies me just as I am horrified at what has materialised. The word used to be "T" is for turban and "T" is for terrorist. Those who terrorised common people in Azad Maidan or with threatening SMS are damaging Muslim community. There is a perception builiding up that Muslim in India are just as bad as ........ One mob murder can ignite the inferno. This is the time for righteous "defenders of faith" to UN-Silent themselves, before it is too late.
sabi
August 20, 2012 10:37 pm
We are there to give our love to hindu christians whatever pls wait some more time you will see only love and affection from all pakistanis.I'm strongly of the view that these people commititing crimes in the name of God are aethists of the first catagory.They are not from us.You will see the wrath of God coming on them .
Ajaya K Dutt
August 20, 2012 10:39 pm
The girl does not have an affair with the kidnappers but all of a sudden, in the middle of night, or while walking down to her house, immidiatly falls in love and "elopes" with somebody she may have never seen; or at worst seen only on a casual passing by. That sure is a fiction.
Roger
August 20, 2012 10:43 pm
Thanks, Doc. You have just responded to at least one brave and sane voice in your midst - that of Fazia Mirza. There are all those 'sane-voice-Pakistanis' who have also written in this board. In fact, there appear to be many. What may be lacking is organizing how the 'saner voices' come together, and wield pens and minds that are mightier than the sword. Sir, if you don't mind my saying, you say "hope saner voices with in pak society shall emerge". There is a sense of resignation in your words. I believe you have a 'sane voice' . The question will always remain - what are you doing about it.
Tahira
August 20, 2012 10:44 pm
Try one solution. Lat USA, UK start offers of visa to all Pakistani minorities. These maulvis will be the first , together with their families, to convert to Hindu/ Christian etc just to get to live freely on the generosity of the West. They are the most shameless on the face of the earth today.
Atif
August 20, 2012 10:51 pm
Himanshu - pls keep the ppl of pak in your prayers. What we fail to forget is we have the same gene pool. My heart goes out to all the minorities in pak. Most of these ppl dont have a religion look at the way they are treating ppl of the shia community and other minority muslim sects. Its is about time, the masses woke up and realise if they dont stand up today they might be next. these people have no limits. If the ppl of pak stood up to the treatment of Ahmidi ppl this would have been a lesson for these ppl. For the record i am not of Admadi sect.
haque
August 20, 2012 10:52 pm
When rape, abduction, forced marraiges, pornography, adultary, incest etc etc occurs in other countries and there are much more incidents of this immoral acts in India and Western counntries, the perptrator(s) is termed as criminal. Not Hindu or Christian. Women are paraded naked on pages in public and on books, they are called fashion statements and because women are free and they do own their own free brainwashed will.
Vikram
August 20, 2012 10:56 pm
good one bro, the word should be "embarrassed" -- that is precisely what is happening to your great religion and a mockery in front of the whole civilized world. Latest example is that of the poor mentally-challenged Christian girl from your capital city who has been accused of "blasphemy"
Vikram
August 20, 2012 10:59 pm
Could not have better expressed it myself ... in fact I reckon you speak for all (normal and civilized) readers of this article...
Ronnie Dsouza
August 20, 2012 10:59 pm
Well replied Vikram, agree with you entirely.
Ankush
August 20, 2012 11:07 pm
thnx faiza for this sour truth . God bless u faiza and eid mubarak to u all my muslim bro ans sis , If Islamic hardliners think tat by doing so they r serving islam , they r absolutely wrong . Instead of doing dis they must follow real and basic priciples of islam . People follow thoughts of religion not religion .Muslims must do some for making islam more beaituful . this act is overall a shame for humanity
Ronnie Dsouza
August 20, 2012 11:07 pm
I totally agree with your comments, Adil, but don't you think, who should be educating the masses about the poor minorities, it is the local Mullas, but instead of educating them on peace, love & harmony for fellow mankind, they preach violence for the minorities, this has to change, when, god knows and who has the will to change them, a big question mark? My best of (2) friends, both happen to be Muslims and we get along so well, cause we understand each other well. This type of understanding has to be preached by the religious Maulvis.
Ronnie Dsouza
August 20, 2012 11:13 pm
Righto, Mr. Subrahmanyam, all these positions says it all for the TOLERANT country of India and that is why it is much respected in the world and also in the Arab countries too, where us Pakistanis are not given much importance.
Rashid
August 20, 2012 11:13 pm
Recently, when Junaid Saleem, the Host of Hasbe Haal said on his TV program that the stories of abduction of Hindu Girls and forced marriages are blown out of proportion, and some time back when Honorable Justice (retired) Wajheehuddin said on TV Talk Show that minorities in Pakistan are treated well, I felt suffocated. How would it feel if a daughter of an elite intellectual or a politician is abducted, forcibly converted to other religion or raped? A proportionate and isolated incident?
Digvijay
August 20, 2012 11:19 pm
Do you recall one instance in India where a Muslim girl was kidnapped and forced to convert.Good to be a liberal but not at the cost of your common sense...
Ronnie Dsouza
August 20, 2012 11:23 pm
MKB, as regard the civil society, judiciary and all, they all are like this as you said. TRUE, they are and as for the judiciary, it is hell-bent in attacking the elected parliament and getting rid of them, it seems they close a blind eye to the injustices being meted out to Minorities on a daily basis.
Ronnie
August 20, 2012 11:28 pm
Mr. disgusted, you talk about no minority killings in Pakistan, let me refresh your memory, what about the SHANTINAGAR, GODRA incident, to name a few and everyone knows the tragedy faced by the minorities during these times. So, it is killing and converting, and not just converting as mentioned by you.
Noble Lucifer
August 20, 2012 11:32 pm
So I ask the Pakistanis, what would be the point of no return for you? Many are still in a state of denial.
Starr
August 20, 2012 11:39 pm
You cannot curse the whole nation by the crimes of the few; however I can understand the feelings of Hindus.
Hassan
August 20, 2012 11:41 pm
Good and courageous effort to depict the picture of minorities condition in Pakistan. I have seen comments of some blaming the writer to be doing this for money or fame. There are some asking for prove. Well, I have studied in Pakistan (Government Schools) and I had Hindu Class mates, and I can not forget their face expressions while studying some of the stuff written in our books. I also can not forget the hatred we Muslims young students had towards those Hindus. What else we could do? We young minds were just following our books. Our school books are full of hatred and negative propaganda against other religions, however Hindus being the closest (geographically) got more attention. It is a fact that Hindu and their leaders, fought for independence but do our books acknowledge that? And have we ever raised our voice against this discrimination? This is a fact that Pakistan is a country where there is strong discrimination on the basis of religion, race and color. It is a systematic practice and we all are part of it. In fact, we enjoy it. We as a Muslim got to accepts that there are many things that we are doing wrong and should not get angry when some one highlights those.
Sabrina
August 20, 2012 11:42 pm
I really apprecite this article this is human though , truth which all religions teach. Islam is great religion and of peace.As a muslim I am proud of this article as some of our men misuse relegion and do such shameful acts force inncoent girls to marry them. This is against Isalm , Islam does not teach to force and those turban people are Shatan not Islamic person.
faisal
August 20, 2012 11:44 pm
im so sorry...i feel asahmed..this is not what islam teaches us..these guys most of them child(boys) abusers, specially Taliban who think they r defender and of islam and true muslim are the biggest boys molesters....they have no idea what is islam..they just do it to get heaven faster coz according to mullah's if u convert one non muslim u will enter heaven directly.heaven is confirm on u..these killers when listen a child insulting islam they wana burn her..they forgot the story where a rude lady use to throw garbage on our beloved prophet (P.B.U.H)...so these fanatic evil animals choose this short cut to get heaven faster, im ashamed to be a Pakistan where we cant respect other religions as our islam teaches...we just created our own islam which is defaming true islam..shame shame shame..we should call this islam by new name(A.S.P> Amiriki Saudi Pakistani Islam)
H. Amin
August 20, 2012 11:50 pm
Very difficult to read this piece!
AsimCO
August 20, 2012 11:56 pm
Isn't the whole idea of Islam that the religion is between you and God? If a person does something that may not be per the beliefs of the people practicing around him then suddenly everyone wants to make it their life's mission to punish that person. How about letting God take care of his own people if He dislikes them as long is it does not physically effect you? As a Pakistani, how about rallying with the same spirit against the rights that we have been stripped off as a basic human being by our own elected politicians? How about rallying around the need for education and improving the life of your children? How about being motivated about things that make a difference to your future, your family and of your country? How about simply learn what the religion really says vs. following what others tell you? Oh and by the way, Jihad means "inner struggle". So finally, how about practicing true Islam and exersize tollerance?
Brighton Rodeo
August 21, 2012 12:00 am
I admire the article written by a human being. You deserve thanks. I wish I can bring peace of Christ to the pakistanis who are the innocent people of other beliefs. God where you are?
Amn
August 21, 2012 12:15 am
Miughals came much later. There were other dynasties before Mughals. It was the good character and humbleness of Muslim leaders and scholars that won the hearts of people and they accepted Islam. If you know, Hindustan was divided in cast system. and the deplorable condition of the lowest cast is known to all. Jaziya is like tax that affordable non-muslims pay in a muslim rules country when the affording Muslims pay Zakat. Jaziya was like a tax that non-muslims paid to muslim rulers ensuring that muslim rulers will take care of their safety when country goes to war. Islam practiced by majority in Pakistan is not the true depiction of this religion of peace. Infact our culture including the ceremonies may it be marraige, death etc are heavily influenced by the Indian culture. We need to understand our true religion.
Hindu Dalit
August 21, 2012 12:15 am
Every day 1.3 million people in India (of which more than 80% are Dalit women) are forced to clean human excrement with their bare hands for little to no wages, a practice called manual scavenging.I am an Hindu Dalit. I am really glad to see how every Indian Hindu has aggressively campaigning for the rights of Pakistani Hindus (90% of them belongs to Dalit community). More than 85 per cent Indian (Hindu) Dalits living in in large Municipalities are deprived of the basic needs such as food, shelter, clothing, education and health facilities.The sad point is that you will never such comments about the rights of Indian Hindu Dalits. I can give you example of hundred of stories published in Indian and foreign news papers about violation of basic rights of Indian Dalit. How many of you really came forward and tried to make difference. The real truth is that none of Indians understands the real human rights application. Ms. Fazia can you do a story on the plight of Hindu Dalits? Just google Hindu Dalit to learn more about plight. We will love to migrate to Pakistan and convert if that can free us from this misery that is forced upon us high cast Hindus. Joseph D’souza
Stuti
August 21, 2012 12:18 am
Can you tell me one period in Islamic history when this religion brought peace.
Amn
August 21, 2012 12:19 am
Deepak, I am a muslim and I can assure you that forced conversion is not acceptable in the true light of our religion of peace. It is just that many Muslims do not read Quran and follow Sunnah & restore to these practices that are forbidden in our religion. Infact if they had known, when Prophet & His companions won the city of Makkah, no one was forced to convert and yet the Prophet announced peace for all the dwellers. I just wish we knew our religion better so could not be brainwashed by the ones who have devilish motives.
Syed
August 21, 2012 12:20 am
Dear Mr. Kalyan, I agree with you. I am thinking the same thing. Lets star a webt site, " Live and let LIve". Syed Husain. 776 green lane, Union, Nj 07083 syed@gnchemical.com Evil is not equal to good, return good of evil., and you will see that your enemy will become your friend. Quran. I am sure you can quote from VEDAS. Lets publisize quotation from our religious books, Syed Husain
S Kuma
August 21, 2012 12:57 pm
I sincerely Thank Dawn on behalf of Pakistani Hindus for having a courage to publish this article in their Newspaper and bringing this subject to light . My thanks to writer who has courage to write this article .
Tahir
August 21, 2012 12:56 pm
Very sad article, I being a Pakistani Muslim feel ashamed and want to sorry, also want to assure all non Muslims what these people are doing is not right, don't blame Islam for that. Islamic justice does not discriminate against any one. Those who are committing atrocities in the name of Islam are not following the teaching of Islam. Teaching of Islam clearly say if u kill one human u kill the whole humanity, those people who do such as the writer has depicted are bad for Islam and humanity and every human loving Muslim and Pakistani hates them and condemns them. My words are not enough to sympathize with feelings of Indian and Pakistani Hindu and all other minorities, I apologies from them again and wish and pray our society becomes tolerant and respect other people believes . Tahir
Madan
August 21, 2012 12:26 am
Shame on the country and the community which allow such nefarious activities to take place under their very noses.The writer needs to honoured with a unique acknowledgement universally.
AGR
August 21, 2012 12:56 pm
Way to go Faiza. To me religion is a personal relationship between God and man. If you want to believe then believe, if you don't then thats OK also. Live and let live. Islam needs to re-invent itself into not being to intolerant. Unfortunately, while the message of Islam may be equality and peace, that is not what is practiced by the masses and the religion has gained recognition as being associated with murder, forced conversions, and terrorism - All with Pakistan being the epicenter. Wake up Pakistan before it is too late!
Rajan
August 21, 2012 12:51 am
If only you look at the statistics ever diminishing minorities in Pakistan and Bangladesh from the time we got independence it will be obvious. As we say, you do not need a mirror to see your palm. It is obvious that where these countries are going.
VINOD
August 21, 2012 12:52 am
Well said. Now let us find out how to stop these atrocities
xxxxx
August 21, 2012 12:56 am
I expect responsible reporting...not making emotional stories, and I would like to know and confirm the source first before making any judgement or blaming any particular religion or group of people. Human right violations are horrible crimes which must be condemned whichever part of the world they happen in, be it India, Pakistan, Palestine or USA or UK.
EQ8Rhomes
August 21, 2012 1:05 am
Look at the countries with GIANT swords on their flags and Gates to their Capitals. Also look at religions in which the sword is a symbol. There is nothing symbolic about peace in these countries or religions. Muslims (khanjar) and Sikhs (Kirpan) need to abandon the sword as a symbol of warrior and conquering peoples. Kidnapping and forcible "marriage" is rape and unlawful detention. Pakistan needs to make its laws work, if it wants to survive.
Raza
August 21, 2012 1:06 am
While I forcefully condemn any kind of conversions to this religion or that or any kind of human right violations in this country or that - I am sick of people trying to pontificate and their 'holier than thy attitude'. Wake up people and smell some coffee!! In the whole of the sub continent and beyond, a big mass of the "underclass" and minority people are treated like animals (with corrupt and sometimes criminal political leaders) helping out these thugs in our society. I just have to cite the Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International publications to bolster my thoughts. Please once for all come down from your high pulpits of superiority complexes and let us all sympathize with the innocents within us wherever they may be.
EQ8Rhomes
August 21, 2012 1:09 am
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did declare that there must be NO COMPULSION in religion (Islam). PERIOD. Therefore, is forced conversion and marriage and hostage taking for life is Sunna?
Asif
August 21, 2012 12:54 pm
There is no compulsion is Islam( forced conversion). If someone have done so then it is his false action, crime and ignorance about the teaching of Islam. I have read some comments about the spread of Islam by force, I dont agree this point of view. Most of the tribes in subcontinent embraced Islam by preachings of sufis. The story looks undoubtful because there is no dearth of ignorant, intollerant, spies, and terorrists which are so called muslims all over the world and in Pakistan as well. I feel very sad to what happened with respected Hindu girl.
Ali
August 21, 2012 1:24 am
So that is 12% for India and 19% for Pakistan. Not impressive but better than India.
Shilpa
August 21, 2012 1:25 am
Urs is a sensitive and gentle soul, Fiza. How nicely put forth wat u deeply felt.The reader feels u r narrating ur own story.It has won many hearts including that of mine.
s.mohan usa
August 21, 2012 1:31 am
bole so nihal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A. Razzak
August 21, 2012 1:33 am
In that case" YOU GO YOUR WAY I MUST GO MINE", THE CRUDE MAJORITY MUST BE STOPPED FROM CRUSHING THE MINORITY irrespetive of all the differences.
suneel
August 21, 2012 1:40 am
Faiz Mirzas really a good person . he wrote a true story. PPP govt is No. 1 dishonest and culprit regimen.
Mazher
August 21, 2012 1:42 am
Why not change your name as Faiza Kumari for this dirty article with no research. How much you were paid for this........
panga
August 21, 2012 1:55 am
after reading most of the comments and praising authors well written blog ,, i must say guys its not gonna change anything in pakistan. sorry
Naeem
August 21, 2012 1:55 am
This article is published in a Pakistani newspaper with a international reader base not because it makes us proud of what our countrymen achieved but because we realize what wrong is done and needs to be corrected. The comments thread has been turned into an even greater hate speech against muslims and Pakistan by our indian guests here. All is not rosy here. But to the Indian hate mongers, look at yourself self because you embark on Pakistan bashing. I do not need to mention what has been going on in India against minorities, none of my business but some mouths here need a shut up call for taking it too far out of their hatred.
Zeeshan
August 21, 2012 2:16 am
Please explain the purpose of writing a fictitious melodramatic article as this, other than to stir false emotions in people? The writer proves to be a literate-illiterate.
Sajid
August 21, 2012 2:20 am
Dear Malik, there is a saying in Urdu, Aasmaan se giya khajoor main atka. If you consider Zakir Naik logical, I wonder what constitutes as illogical. Zakir Naik is immensely illogical, the most deceiving thing about him is that he is clever enough to only sound logical, he once compared a polygamy to a car's four wheels to prove the practicality of polygamy. I think you should read some book on Critical Thinking, understand the Formal Logical structures, you will see Zakir Naik in a different light.
Aik-Paki
August 21, 2012 2:32 am
I have met a number of Indian Muslims and Hindu students in far-east and norh america. We noticed the percentage of Indian muslim students is 1-2 percent where as muslim population in India is 20%. That may be a contribution of secular India. Moreover, muslim students are always sub-dued and seem to have a fear of something. May it is secular India. Please don't pretend there are weaknesses every where even in the develped countries. . There is no force conversion in Islam. This is ignorance. Muslims (Moughal's) rule India for hundreds of years and there were no force conversions. Otherwise most of the Indian Hindus would have been converted. Please don't blame the Muslims or ordinary Pakistani's. Look into the world histrory. Muslims rule Spain for hundreds of years and there was no force conversions. On the other-hand, muslims were forced to leave Spain when Christians took over. Pope should have looked into the history also. Appreciate it, There are brave people specifically ladies like Faiza in Pakistan
guest
August 21, 2012 2:48 am
I wish Jinnah would have been alive today to realise his shattered dreams !
Nitin Bhandari
August 21, 2012 2:48 am
Mr. Bhaakri, I understand and respect your love for your country. No country is perfect but it's still our motherland and as citizens, sons and daughters, it's ours to accept just as it is and try to make it better. However, knowing and acknowledging the fact is not disrespect by any means. I can 't speak for anybody else or any place else that I don't have knowledge of, but I can speak for myself and my land where I live and what is followed here. I am from New Delhi. About 40% of my friends are Muslim - few of them very close ones - and we all share common feeling of love for India. All we wish for is peace and harmony between India and Pakistan. But another fact is that these atrocities (mental, social, physical...) are ABSOLUTELY NOT prevalent here (exceptions are always there though - but they're just that, exception not practice). So don't let the 'irresponsible, greedy media' notion fool you. Indian media doesn't show it 'coz it DOES NOT happen here; some bit of Pakistan media does (because IT HAPPENS THERE!!!) Also, I didn't quite understand the point that you're making by shedding light on shias' plight. Are you suggesting that Pakistani Hindus are supposed to take solace from the fact that shias are worse off than them?? I'm sorry bro, but anybody else's pain doesn't (read: shouldn't) make one's pain any less. If that's happening to shias then that's wrong too. As an Indian, I am aware that we aren't a perfect nation yet, actually far from it; however, I take great pride in the fact that we are moving towards it. That's not blind ignorance veiled in disorientated patriotism, that's being aware of facts and acknowledging them. Can you say the same in Pakistan my brother? If not, then more than the Hindus or Shias who're being deprived and tormented, it's the country that's at risk here. Nitin
dilip sri
August 21, 2012 2:51 am
You could not explained it better. A false (lie) in your words is a double negative. Hence, it is the truth.
Mr. B
August 21, 2012 3:00 am
I appreciate your secular view on Islam. Don't get me wrong. You should also know how the muslims are currently treated in pakistan occupied kashmir before commenting on situation in Kashmir. Things were much worse there. I hope you would agree things were much better in Jammu Kashmir before Pakistan started taking interest couple decades ago.
kumar
August 21, 2012 3:01 am
well done faiza for writting down the truth..
Yogesh P
August 21, 2012 3:04 am
Billah, Does your religion not require that you don't remain a silent bystander when immoral acts are committed? That too in the name of your religion and god? How many people who are muslims stood up for decency in the areas where these events are occurring? Either show the courage to stand up against those doing these things in your neighbourhood, city, state and country or be quiet and don't play an apologist.
Joy
August 21, 2012 3:07 am
All bad things are absolutely possible in Pakistan. Pakistan was founded on this principle of "anti Hindu" or anyone opposing islam is worthy of nothing. So it would be advisable for all Hindus and Sikhs to leave Pakistan immediately
Ajaya K Dutt
August 21, 2012 3:07 am
All those who say that courts in Pakistan protect the minorties should know that girls as young as 13 years old are carted off with the "husband". It can happen only to Hindus in Pakistan. It can never happen to anyone anywhere else in the world.
Sayeed Bukharee
August 21, 2012 3:08 am
Today I am ashamed of calling my self a Pakistani because of the Islam which is being forced on the society by the Mullahs who have hi-jacked the religion, the Government, inefficent & indifferent as it is, has failed miserably, time again to protect the rights of Pakistanis. Whether there is one GOD or many gods is not the question, who has given them the right to forcibly convert non Muslims into Islam. I know for certain, Islam is against it. If some one willingly wants to convert that is what Islam allows. If Pope is talking about conversion by sword then he is right because these Mullahs have brought bad name to Islam and are doing irrepairable damage to Islam. May ALLAH help Pakistan.
Rahman
August 21, 2012 3:16 am
I am a Muslim, and have many Hindu friends; reading this pained me so much that I had trouble sleeping. I fail to understand why the law and order situation cannot be controlled in Pakistan. Shias and Ahmadis and other minorities are fairing worst. They are being shot at point blank range by these deranged self appointedf soldiers of God. No God can be this cruel.
dilip sri
August 21, 2012 3:19 am
Typical Sardarjee. Where is the article that you mention?
Shoaib
August 21, 2012 3:25 am
Faiza its nice At lest some 1 is worried about our minority living in an intolerant society.
Rakesh
August 21, 2012 3:29 am
Here is case of only one conversion and people from both sides of the border seem to be so outraged. Imagine peace loving Hindus living happily in their homeland were brutally subjugated by a minority from outside for centuries. No Hindu could ever aspire for work in the administration of the king unless he converted. Almost 32 generations of Hindus lived like that, constantly in fear and always as second class citizens. Main reason for partion of the country was given as fear of Muslims to live as a minority. What an irony?
surinder Jeet
August 21, 2012 3:39 am
My salute to the writer who has humanity , courage and the courage of her conviction. Bravo Faiza Mirza, you may be the only MAN left in Pakistan.
skylark
August 21, 2012 8:28 am
Dear madam: i am sure asa normal human being it disturbs you otherwise you could not write these specillay not even men like slaman taseer & others. MR anwar iqbal WROTE "SECTARIAN DIVIDE" in dawn and described the very sick mind of these fanaticism. Jinni when it comes out ,it becomes out of control. i truly convey my reagrds ot these brave writers and journalist to bring these dark side of suffering humanity.i have experienced these from east pakistan before we left everything to migrate to india as refugee. from 400 acres of land and houses of 14 genrations to a new refugee status in india.our whole family disappeared except 3 of us. with regards
jaykraman
August 21, 2012 3:39 am
You are a true Muslim. Just feeling sad for the poor girl is not enough. You should lead the fight against these animals in human form. Inshah Allah things like this will not happen again.
Naresh Sharma
August 21, 2012 3:49 am
world Knows who is killing who? We Indian are respected through out the world.... anyways What about Your Country??? I wanted to know your Views????
ahmed41
August 21, 2012 3:51 am
What satisfaction does any spiritually mature muslim get by this * forced* conversion. ? Conversion to any faith is a long spiritual journey . Can it genuinely, be achieved by reciting a * religiously correct sentence of the CREED * Do you want a person to turn to ISLAM by inner faith , OR , do we want to add on just one more demographic member to the nominal muslim population statistics. ?
Naresh Sharma
August 21, 2012 3:51 am
Dear What about Kasmiri Hindus and Sikhs they are being Killed by Muslim Terrorist.. And who ever will be raised against india and try to divide it will be killed like this.
Surinder Jeet
August 21, 2012 3:53 am
Imran, are you sure your elders converted because of sermons? Most populations were converted by sword. Most people of India and the SE did not convert. They had been cowered down and too scared but did not convert. They even paid Jaziya to remain Hindus. Read the honest history if it is available to you. Even today most conversions are because of falling in love and not because of some sermons. And that is because we live in a world where women in western countries have the freedom, unsuspecting and vulnerable to be exploited. I am not saying anything good or bad about any religion.
ssm
August 21, 2012 4:12 am
Even most educated pakistani also in denial mode that hindu population reduced
ssm
August 21, 2012 4:16 am
i did the research and shocked you are correct that most of Indian(indian,pakisatan) muslim converted. even some readers will be in denial mode
ssm
August 21, 2012 4:18 am
Hi Malik we will have separate thread to discuss about kashmiris and pakistan role.. dont divert the attention now
Suleyman
August 21, 2012 4:19 am
what is happening to minorities today is Pakistan does not legitimize the Pope's words.
abcd
August 21, 2012 4:20 am
yes, the exact thoughts. why is it that the hindus have to define their religion in terms of abhramnic values. why is it that we have to agree to the concept that god is immanent, all-knowing, all-powerful. certainly we do not have to. if you observe the trail of abhramnic religions, they all say that after judgement day we will enjoy or suffer for eternity. but, it's kind of blasphamous in these religion to ask why after having such a small life to prove our worth, we will enjoy or suffer to eternity. why not given a chance to prove ourselves once, all over again. afterall, if a man is born poor, and has to kill someone to feed his childrens, will he be condemned to hell, for killing someone? but, his being poor was not because of him, but because of god, who caused him to suffer by forcing him to take birth in a poor and wretched family. so, will he pardon? and, if he pardons where are his sense of justice for the killed man?
allaisa
August 21, 2012 4:21 am
After you are raped how many girls will revert?
RAMADMINLLAH
August 21, 2012 4:27 am
Please read the some more articles around how islam was spread.
ssm
August 21, 2012 4:29 am
We are over populous country and struggling with corruption poverty,illiteracy and unfortunately our neighbour is Pakistan who harbors terrorist and exports it.
Muhammad Ahmed
August 21, 2012 4:31 am
Hmmm.... I agree that the rights of minorities are not being protected in Pakistan. I will however, clarify one thing which is prevalent all over Southeast Asia. Its not about religion but economics. We also have our share of more affluent Hindu and Christian families who will never consider converting or moving to other places because they are economically stable in this country.. It is more likely the issue of economic factors interacting with religious intolerance. I will also like to report a separate incident because Dawn readers will rarely get to hear about such incidents. It happened with a Christian girl who was working at a relative's house. She ran away with someone and on her mother's insistence we made all the effort humanly possible to get her back. Then the poor groom who was from a much lower economic background was beaten in police to make sure that he would sign off on the divorce papers. The girl refused to accept divorce and would not go with her mother. Her mother actually had the upper hand in this case because she had the support of all the affluent people. The girl did not agree and actually tried to commit suicide and finally her mother had to give in. I am certainly not saying that this was the right thing to do but things in pakistan can take different directions depending upon who is involved and who is ready to spend more money. There are plenty of incidents which are indeed extremely deplorable but all eggs should not be placed in the same basket. In some cases, there are actual incidents of women and men marrying in different faiths because they actually like the other person. In case of Pakistan the unfortunate thing is that people still agree to marry someone of other faith who is asking them to change their faith. This is more likely because of economic factors and unfortunate focus on superiority of one religion since the early school days. I just wish there was a more clear way to determine that how each case should be handled but it is indeed not fair to identify this story with all the people who are marrying in different faiths. The plight of all people who are from a more humble background should be highlighted. I certainly agree that religion plays a major role and can be a major cause for discrimination but it is certainly secondary to economic status based discrimination in Pakistan.
RAMADMINLLAH
August 21, 2012 4:31 am
There is only one GOD.
a@b.com
August 21, 2012 8:27 am
Pakistanis are not killing minorities?? Hahaha, bid joke!! They are killing their own brothers!!! They are killing MUSLIMS!!!!
Adnan
August 21, 2012 4:35 am
By writing this I do not support any act of wrong doing aginst hindus in pakistan by muslims. This is totally wrong, shame on those who call themselve muslims and commit this kind of barbaric crimes. I would like to stand up for Rinkle Kumari but I am also afraid these ignorants will kill me too. Though this is true my great, great, great .... grandmother was hindu and her name was Rinklle Kumari but she was a Shudar.
ssm
August 21, 2012 4:36 am
i did full groundwork and research found that Zimbo is correct
Ram
August 21, 2012 4:36 am
I believe every word written by the author. Some of my Muslim friends openly boast about sending money to convert Hindus even in India. It is really shame as these very people's grand parents were converted by force and they know it well.They believed that by converting there place in heaven is secured. In Pakistan not only Hindu and other minorities are being miss treated but also shias, ahmedias, and like are being killed every day. Shame on that country. No wounder it is going down hill.
Faran
August 21, 2012 4:36 am
Islam is the religion of tolerance and equality.... This forced conversion is just rediculous thing... We are all equal as we are humans but these so called MULLAHs and the people who thinks they will take religion on their shoulders, are totally wrong and will be punished severly one day... My all best wishes for our hindu brothers.... :( (a Pakistani)
Adnan
August 21, 2012 4:39 am
Jagdish I agree with you we should come out but I think we are all afraid, these ignorants will kill us too.
A
August 21, 2012 4:40 am
So you are much more aware of the facts, than what is reported? Pakistanis always on the defensive!
sagar
August 21, 2012 4:42 am
Most conversions have been forced in the subcontinent if you read about it. The temples destroyed and the lower castes were converted by sword/ bribes.
ssm
August 21, 2012 4:42 am
Dr Billah,UK Can you please answer Dixit...if you are not i will ask my muslim brother to reply Dixit
Rob
August 21, 2012 4:42 am
Faiza Mirza- The world admires your courage! And congratulations to the staff at Dawn for publishing your story. Evil will always fall, it is just a matter of time. I hope that Allah or whichever God it is out there will deal those goons the justice they deserve. I believe itis said in the Gita that whenever the society fails to uphold Dharma, God will take birth to reestablish it. It looks like that time is just around the corner for Pakistan..
Rob
August 21, 2012 4:43 am
Dear Rahul, First of all I would like to commend Fazia Mirza to put across the plight of many girls so very well. Both the issue and the writing is very well put across. It is not just Hindus but any forced or subtle conversion be it of Hindus or a Christian is bad. There has to be independence of religious thought and practice, including atheism. As for the Hindus and Christians they did not go there to live in Pakistan except a few who initially had a government job or business there. These are mainly those, who did not have the wherewithal to come across to a secular side, only hoping in what was told to them by the then leaders, of peaceful co-existence of all religions. By the way, have learnt that once converted, some girls who are not co-operative land up into prostitution. It starts first with forced marriages to an already married man since permitted in Islam, then talaq (divorce) and then prostitution. Things are inhuman and suffocating to a normal human being but that is the reality. Take care
RAMADMINLLAH
August 21, 2012 4:44 am
Yes Allah will treat the ill people in pakistan where they have killed the minorities.....I am very good follower of Allah but now we can not a single .....Allah malik hai...
karan
August 21, 2012 4:44 am
Muslims in india fight back with hindus .Also they can destroy Amar jawan statue.They can also burn people in Godhra.They can also say weird thingz about hinduism like Zakir naik(he said if shiva cudnt know ganesha and cut his throat how will he know others?) .muslims can also question hindu religion,they can also rape a girl in uttar pradesh(communal voilence started ignored by media) .They are secular in india but hindus are devils .This is what they can do in india. Also they can increase their population and go to hajj free of cost and even enter fake names for hajj and earn money(recent issue) but hindus Amarnath and kailash mansarovar yatra's duration must be decreased and also medical facilities had to be decreased plus no free assistance.Even wen buisness industries over there offer free assistance ,govt. must deny it.Also The board members Of hindu yatras are atheists,thats pretty good(interview on tv channel- they questioned why so many people go there). while travelling in a bus an old man whispered in my ears "this time muslims will rule india" please be secular. please dont fight on the name of religion. Pathhar ki murat kyu pujta hai bhagwan to masjid mey hai . I want to end this with kabir's words "din ko roja rakhat hai raat khanat hai gai" i forgot the rest. There are a lot of things.
Adnan
August 21, 2012 4:45 am
Reversal is not required because Rinkle Kumari is still a hindu and I respect her beliefs. In islam there is no such thing as forced conversion. To me Rinkle Kumari was a hindu and still is a hindu. I am ashamed that I could not protect her.
Rob
August 21, 2012 4:46 am
No. The issue is about justice. How long will you guys keep covering for what is essentially a blot on all humanity?
A
August 21, 2012 4:46 am
Wow!!! Too brain washed to even realize contradicting your own comments. Yes it is the muslims killing shias, them forcing hindu girls to convert, them victimizing an 11 year old mentally disabled girl, them strapping bombs to kill innocent people.
abcd
August 21, 2012 4:51 am
well, you are a man good at heart, but will you explain me the conversion of KAFFIRS of kafiristan in 1893 by the murderous army of afghan bigot. and how does it matter whether islam allows such conversion or not, because after conversion the converts also become a part of your society, but are looked down upon for their past idolatry, and so in order to prove them pucca muslims they go and commit atrocities which even the devout won't have thought of, in order to earn acceptbility among the new-found faith. but you seem to ignore this narrative.....don't you.
Rob
August 21, 2012 4:52 am
Amazing to see all the Pakistanis so worried about the "image of our country". The Nazis were no different. Perhaps the state of Pakistan should be subjected to something like the Nuremberg trials with all those minorities brought in front of a public trial. May be they will then believe what is being done in the name of their great religion..? No wait..they will still be worried about their "image". And then surely as they do now, complain that the whole world is ganging up on them. There is no cure for this sickness!
abcd
August 21, 2012 4:52 am
read STOLKHOME SYNDROME. and you will get to know why the pakistani muslims are worse-off than arabians.
Ejaaz
August 21, 2012 4:53 am
You are a Shia. Shia are the new minority. First there were Sikhs and Hindus. Then there were the Jews and Parsis. Then came the turn of the Christians. Then it was the Ahmedis. Now it is your turn Ms. Mirza, and the other Shias like the Ismailis, the Bohras, the Zaidis, etc. Where were the Shia when the Sikhs and he hindus and the jews and the parsis were being converted and pushed out? Oh I forget they were busy making this Land for the Pure. Look carefully, and you are now not very far away from the minorities you are writing about. The Taliban are knocking on the door.
Sree
August 21, 2012 4:54 am
Hats off to the writer, i am sure she will have death threats for writing this, Hindus what are you waiting for? leave before its too late.
Adnan
August 21, 2012 4:55 am
As a proud Pakistani muslim I am ashamed of what is happening to you S Kuma. I think Allah is very angry at those who are committing these atrocties and also with all other for not standing up for you. May allah forgive us all and guide us to true path, Aameen.
A
August 21, 2012 4:56 am
Why is everything a conspricy? The pakistani way of life is deeply flawed and the people that need to stand up to over throw the mullah laws are supporting them in order to seem more muslim to others
abcd
August 21, 2012 4:57 am
It doesnt matter whether islam teaches it's followers to convert by force or not..the end result is one that is of some impotence........ever heard the idiom ENDS GOVERN THE MEAN. and, how does you know that islam does not allow to convert by force......all the maulvis in pakistan feel otherwise....infact, even in other muslim countries where islam is majority religion, there is a favour to islam, and none of them allow other faiths to proselytise.
Adnan
August 21, 2012 4:57 am
As a proud Pakistani muslim I strongly agree with you. We should all get together and defeat these hardliners.
rob
August 21, 2012 4:59 am
Crisp and clearly put. Thanks excellently put the message is clear my way or no way.
Adnan
August 21, 2012 4:59 am
I absolutely agree with you.
A
August 21, 2012 5:01 am
No you guys will self destruct with infighting, corruption and the west has better bombs than you guys do.
abcd
August 21, 2012 5:01 am
you are already dead prashant......in the midst of woulves, you can't be proud of being a lamb. and, never think that hinduism cannot be erased......zoroastarianism, was once a major religion on this globe, now there is no trace of it now....and, the remaining followers are slowly dying due to close marriages..... i repeat once again, WHEN IN ROME, do as the romans do.......convert one or two muslim girls by force, then you will tell the muslims of the pain that is felt by the victims co-religionists.
harvey
August 21, 2012 5:02 am
It took less than a month for pakistani governmet to make a law to protect big politicians from the judges.It may take 100 years or may be loger to make a law to protect the minorities in pakistan.
abcd
August 21, 2012 5:05 am
although what you say touches my heart, but didn't you ignore marathas efforts down south, how they harassed mughal forces for 27 years....
shiva sundar
August 21, 2012 5:05 am
hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. allah ki lathi se daro ,this kind of bigotry and intolerance will force " allah" to curse pakistan.abhi bhi waqt hai jago aur sambhalo apne kaum ko varna kuch baki nahi bachega.phir kya farak padega chae hindu bano ya musalman
Sumit
August 21, 2012 5:07 am
And you dear sir are an ignorant coward! Ignorant because you are associating "National pride" with a bloggers effort to bring out the truth.......the ugly truth in your backyard which you would rather conveniently brush under the carpet! Coward because you dare not say words like "barbarians" and "heartless butchers" to these criminals on their faces and would just vent your token condemnation on ineffective blogs!
Adnan
August 21, 2012 5:08 am
But not this way Iqbal.
Sada-e-hindustan
August 21, 2012 5:10 am
Kashmir or assam mein pakistan or bangladesh ke jhande hoist kiye ja rahe hain or aap ye kar rahe ho hindu ke saath, shayad ye hi fark hai hindu aur muslim mein.
Atiq
August 21, 2012 5:12 am
Islam is a religion of peace justice and equal rights for minorities. The constitution of Pakistan guarantees full religious freedom and complete personal protection to minorities. Misguided individuals committing such acts are negating the spirit of Islam and also comiting a crime. These are acts of individuals and should not be portrayed as condoned by the religion.
abcd
August 21, 2012 5:12 am
atlast a sane voice, who is not all tears on DAWN. the picture she has painted is not of rinkle, or manisha kumari. but of, raja dahir's daughters, who were defiled by islamic invaders. and, bingo, there are still hindus 1300 years later who feel that there can be friendship between between the two religions, without muslims apologising for their debauchery.
Rezaul Karim
August 21, 2012 5:14 am
A good comment is the one that contradicts the article. Consider this story in India . The girl is a poor muslim and captured in a deserted house. She cannot be converted into a hindu, becasue it is not allowed in the shastras. You can imagine the rest of the story. Muslim girls and boys are being killed in Assam. Conversion may be the better ending in some cases.
Aldo
August 21, 2012 5:14 am
It should not happen in any civilized moderrn country!
Adnan
August 21, 2012 5:14 am
Parshannt I am a Pakistani muslim and I strongly agree with you.
Sumit
August 21, 2012 5:20 am
Dear Mr A, Was the maulvi who married the Hindu girl to her saviour illiterate? Were the court officials who legalized the marriage illiterate too? Let's say they were, why didn't the "literate" masses of Pakistan ask for the ullification of the marriages of these girls to correct the wrong that was done?! If you agree the guard did a horrible thing why didn't the "peace loving" commoners of Pakistan protest this act?! Because, the majority of Pakistani people believe in and condone forcible conversions......this is the sad TRUTH! As far as your claims of "war crimes" go you need to get out of your cocoon and think rationally before making your ignorance evident on blogs!
@amit_ku_singh
August 21, 2012 5:22 am
Hey Assamese Muslims are not our responsibility , they are not even our citizens man.They infiltrate into India every year from Bangladesh and fight the local population , situation like this happens almost every where, take for example the Mexican- American influx for better life. the American police and authorities deal with them. in India the police and the governance is so lame that no one gets to know any thing. The reason you won't understand this is because for Pakistanis, there are no Indians , srilankans , or Bangladeshi's for you people its just Hindus, Buddhist, and Muslims.
Sameer
August 21, 2012 5:23 am
Dear Faiza -- thanks a lot to show the world true picture of Pakistan's social status where minorities are treated like animals . You are a bold writer - keep it up !! To my understanding the forceful conversion is un islamic and criminal act .Its still happening in Pakistan becoz the govt doesn't want to take action against these fundamentalists.My simple question to all Muslim friends is -- suppose the case would have been just reverse -- WHEN A MUSLIM GIRL GOT FORCEFULLY CONVERTED TO OTHER RELIGION WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE REACTION IN THE PAKISTANI SOCIETY ?HOW THE GOVT HAD REACTED ??
Girl
August 21, 2012 5:28 am
Unfortunately my friend, it isn't that the majority of Pakistani masses support or condone forced conversion, but rather that the intolerant venom-filled fundamentalist minority that does, does so in ways which intimidate the uneducated powerless masses (those who are illiterate, but not necessarily supportive of such violence or forced conversion) and they can't do much. To add to it, the middle class and wealthy population (or those who are in a situation to be able to do more) are simply not doing enough. And let's not even discuss government politics too busy stealing from their own people. Those who can do more NEED to do more. My heart goes out to all minorities being persecuted and treated like strangers in their own country; no one deserves that. I wish I alone could do more.
Syed USA
August 21, 2012 5:29 am
Islam has been highjacked by illiterate mullas and feudals in Pakistan. The verse 62 of Sura Baqra clearly states as under You may be muslim, Christian, jew or sabi or what so ever if you believe in God, day of judgement and do good deeds there is reward for you by God and there is nothing to fear. It is my believe that people of all faiths believe in God and day of judgement , if in addition they do good deeds they will all go to paradise . Most important is good deeds.
Vineeth
August 21, 2012 5:33 am
I would beg to disagree. Mughals in general (except Aurangazeb) were far more tolerant than the rulers of the Delhi Sultanate that preceded it. Their priority was to only rule the native population, not to convert them to another faith. I think you are confusing the Mughals with rest of the Muslim rulers.
Girl
August 21, 2012 5:34 am
I'm so sorry my friend. I don't know what else to say. Allah definitely won't be pleased, no matter how much these so called Muslims (read: fundamentalists) seem to think so. They're doing the devil's work. I wish you the best.
Highlander
August 21, 2012 5:39 am
Hardly any comments from the majority
Sumit
August 21, 2012 5:40 am
No sir, it's YOUR(as in all Pakistanis) duty to correct this "Cruel act"! Your government (just like ours!)is too busy clinging to power and making money!
SMN
August 21, 2012 5:43 am
I want to tell fiends in India that most of the Pakistanis respect and care for minorities and they condemn this and other such acts. Such incidents are reported with respect to poor muslim girls also. The are abducted and forced to merry against their wish. the evil lies in our feudal culture and governments are dominated by feudal.
Dr.Syed Jafri
August 21, 2012 5:47 am
Well there is no doubt that this practice of Imposing Islam on minorities should be condemned in the most vehement way possible. Islam and Holy Prophent (PBUH) never imposed Islam on anyone and those of us ( not agnostic like Faiza) know that teaching and setting example is the only way Islam was and should be dessiminated. But that gives rise to another question. How many articles does Faiza or her fraternity publish when muslims in Burma were literally slaughtered by Budists in Burma. Why we always depict the BAD picture of Islam ,may be Faiza is trying to keep her non-muslims fans across Pakistan and especially in India happy. I wish she will come up with some article soon where she will be able to paint the real picture of Islam without being biased.
Sandip
August 21, 2012 5:50 am
I am an Assamese who also spent 6 years in Gujarat and now I am living in Bangalore. 30% of the population of Assam is Muslims and they do not face any persecution. The clash between Bodos and Muslims was a isolated incident. As a matter of fact, Bodos are the minority, there are more muslims in Assam than there are Bodos. My best friend from school is a Muslim (he too is from Assam) who was working as an officer in the Intelligence Bureau and now has left that job to join the judicial service in Assam. Would your country ever induct a Hindu in the intelligence agencies or elect a Hindu magistrate?
Sanjeev Yadav
August 21, 2012 5:58 am
the problem in Islam is that what is being preached is not practiced. Though forced conversion might be prohibited in Islam but the fact is that Islam was spread through sword only and whenever a person is converted to Islam by force all Muslim feel happy and in the history of Islam tell me even a single Muslim came forward and opposed it...or even said this conversion is illegal and the person converted is not a muslim by Islamic sharia.
kakvi_ayman
August 21, 2012 6:01 am
Not only being a Hindu but as a normal human being listening/reading to such plights of fellow hindus just ignites a spontaneous agony deep inside.Forced conversions to Islam are forbidden so the act of such perpetuators is unislamic. There are feudal lords, tribal lords and extremists who use name of the Islam to fulfill their vested interests.Islam is a religion of peace and harmony and it is due to lack of knowledge of these people which lead them to commit such acts and these people are responsible for portraying such an image of Islam. Allah says in the Holy Quran: Chapter 16, Surah An-Nahl Ayat 125: Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and excellent admonition and argue with people in the best manner. Your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Way and who is Rightly guided.How to invite one to Islam is a very wide and varied question. It all depends whether the person is a friend or a foe, a neighbor or an acquaintance, a colleague or your boss, etc. One of the best ways is to first be a very good muslim practitioner yourself, and convince the person with your character and high morals that Islam is indeed the religion of Truth. Another good way is to talk to the person about his religion, and give him logical arguments about the Truth and falsehood. And according to our humble experience, if you can get the person to read the Holy Quran with understanding, and the person reads the Quran without any bias or prejudice, seeking to find the Truth; Allah will Insha Allah guide him aright. Brother, your duty is only to invite the person to Islam. To guide, or leave astray is in the sole Power and Domain of Allah Subhanah. He Alone knows who is seeking for the Truth and who is bent on living a life of misguidance. Millions of people have converted to Islam over the years all over the world. I know of a brother who converted to Islam because he saw his muslim friend praying, and was touched! I know of a sister who converted to Islam because her friend used to wear the ‘hijaab’ and she was touched by her high morals. I know of a brother who converted to Islam because he was dissatisfied with the religion he was practicing and began searching for the Truth. I know of many brothers and sisters who converted to Islam, simply by reading and understand the Glorious Quran. Each of them has a different reason, and you never know what might touch the person’s heart to search for the Truth.
Zaheer Abbas
August 21, 2012 6:05 am
Dear Faiza, You wrote fabulous. We should condemn these vicious acts .However; I must say that you have missed one thing. It’s not only about the Hindu minority in Pakistan. These intolerant people are trying to inflict their beliefs on every one who differs from their way of belief. This brutalism is not only done to the Hindu society. Shia-Muslims have been viciously massacred in every corner of Pakistan. Hundreds of people (including man and women) have been murdered cruelly on Karakorum Highway (Pakistan) due to difference of their beliefs. If you are saying that this is happening only in Pakistan, then I think you are biased. It’s happening through out the world. Look at Afghanistan, people have been buried alive during the rule of Taliban there. Look at Iraq, people have been brutalized during the reign of Saddam. A lot of girls have been raped before the own eyes of their parents ......
rehan1975
August 21, 2012 6:05 am
Yeah...Babri mosque and Gujrat massacres are two glaring examples of just how tolerant Indian society really is !
Zaheer Abbas
August 21, 2012 6:07 am
......... If you think this is related to Islam only, then I must say you are biased here too. Look at the situation of Myanmar (Burma), a lot of Muslim women have been raped by majority (Hindu community). Muslims have been harshly killed because of the difference in their beliefs. They have been forced to migrate from their own country. Look at the situation of Palestine; Muslims have been brutally killed by the Jews Community (Israel). They are being forced to leave their own lands. Look at the situation of Kashmir, a number of Muslim women have been raped by the Indian Army. A number of innocent Muslims have been killed viciously. If I am not wrong, it’s not about any particular religion or any particular region. I believe no religion on the surface of earth teaches such thing (forced conversion). These (extremist) elements are present in every society and in every religion. My point is that, it’s not a religious or regional phenomenon. It’s happening in every society which is intolerant, no matter which religion it’s following and no matter where it is located on the globe of Earth. So it’s all about the tolerance level in the society. Regards: Zaheer Abbas
aku
August 21, 2012 6:32 am
It is not unique that our society is infested with such sick minds. US, India and many other so-called secular socities are also infested with such radical elements, the recent sikh temple shooting is just an example. But the cause for concern is our state of affairs and governance. The people who should control are busy plundering nations wealth, while the poor nation continues to suffer: minorities in the form of hate crimes and the rest in other forms. Nobody is safe in Pakistan. Majority of the nation is suffering, one way or the other while the minority of the country: illeterate mullahs and politicians make a hay day!
Sumit
August 21, 2012 6:33 am
Uhhh excuse me but there is a cure for cancer- its called chemotherapy, radiation and curative surgery. Similarly, there's a cure for fundamentalism/extremism, it's called Education, Tolerance and secularism!
Ter-maka-sakinaka
August 21, 2012 6:33 am
Yes, they are made to say that with a gun to their head or a threat to kill their near and dear ones....... Don't condemn anything.... just introspect what your father of the nation MA Jinnah woud be thinking listening to such news if he were alive today? He must be turning in his grave right now.....
naive
August 21, 2012 6:39 am
Supposed to be a sarcastic comment? Not so funny.
Razak
August 21, 2012 6:59 am
Zaheer, The majority in Burma are Buddhists. Hindus themselves are a very small minority in Burma.
Maira
August 21, 2012 7:02 am
Alice in wonderland... That is all what you can come up with...! Better learn about Islam and the way it should be preached.... and include in the article as well. Such fiction serves only the purpose of the anti-christ and his fore-runners. Grow up lady b4 you return to your lord.
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:02 am
@ ramadminllah: offer proofs, not one liners mister.
Reality
August 21, 2012 7:04 am
Mr Naresh Sharma. do u have any news about indian occupied kashmir? assam? Gujraat? Golden temple? shame on you INDIA bloody two faced country with two faced people.look in to ur country first.it reminds me a clip of an indian girl. who came back from the party and mob of an indian youngs started to tear her clothes tried to raped her publicly. that's your reality
Maira
August 21, 2012 7:06 am
True... Just travel to GCC countries and you will learn the truth. No need to travel to Europe, USA or the Far East. Your world is only Mallu-istan that u are referring to...
ASHOK KUMAR
August 21, 2012 7:06 am
When I read this I thought are there still such people like Faiza left in Pakistan.Can a muslim write such a sensitive article? A Pakistani muslim to my mind is a entity full of hatred,intolerance and a bigot. There is absolutely no use to change his mindset because it considers Islam as the sole and only gateway to God. But after reading this I feel perhaps may be Iam wrong. It is people like Faiza who washes away the dirt smeared on the face of Islam .
Be Human first
August 21, 2012 7:09 am
First a salute to a brave (and beautiful : -) writer. Today, I believe there is no GOD. If there was one, he/she would not allow this. It is up to us humans to change this and no one is coming down to solve this. Shame on all of us, including me, for just writing comments and not doing anything of substance about this.
Tauheed
August 21, 2012 7:09 am
Read Sachhar report before making tall claims
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:10 am
@ adnan: sad thing is that, you may still believe that rinkle is a hindu, but what has she been left with of her old religion, to believe that she is still a hindu. her name, her family, her friends, her identity, her dignity, her memories, her childhood, her teenage, her youth almost each and every aspect of her life has been sullied by this conversion. at best, she is a living corpse, who would be burried upon her death, rather than being cremated.
Red dot
August 21, 2012 7:11 am
Pakistan is no longer pak.
Ali Hamid
August 21, 2012 7:12 am
Core basics of every religion teaches peace, harmony and freedom. Islam is also a peaceful religion. I am sure more than 90% of literate Pakistanis are against these forceful conversions. According to many Indian readers they have many Muslim friends who are nice and peaceful. Therefore, it can easily be deduced that action of one bad person should not represent the whole community. We being a muslim strongly condemn these shameful incidents. If anyone wants to know Islam, follow teachings of Islam not the Muslims because bad muslim is bad even in the eye of Islam. Pakisan is suffering a lot due to the people who use Islam just for there vested interests and Islam gets blamed because they are so called Muslims, althoguh, they go totally against the teachings of the religion. Hope and pray peace will prevail in the world sooner than later. Our best wishes are with our fellow Pakistanis regardless of their religions, Hindus in particular in such circumstances.
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:12 am
the problem is that hardliners, were poor students during childhood, so they can't read. and what they do is to preach, and see what is being written. and if it goes against their agenda, all hells break loose.
Indian Hindu!
August 21, 2012 7:18 am
Well said....I wish all muslim's have that kind of adequate knowledge about Islam the way you posses!
Indian Hindu!
August 21, 2012 7:19 am
Well said brother!
Indian Hindu!
August 21, 2012 7:20 am
Thats acceptance of facts and not denial! Well said brother! We respect Islam as a beautiful religion which is taught and misunderstood wrongly!
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:21 am
abbas saheb...from all that you have written, the one thing that stands out is that you are innocent and ignorant person who has been manipulated by fundamentalists. look what you have written: "Look at the situation of Myanmar (Burma), a lot of Muslim women have been raped by majority (Hindu community). Muslims have been harshly killed because of the difference in their beliefs. They have been forced to migrate from their own country. "
vikash
August 21, 2012 7:21 am
nobody is save in this country.one thing i want to say in india hindus don't force muslims to convert their religion but why here.they are jealous because hindus are rich,educated. your GOD said you are not allow to force someone to change his or her religion. GOD save us from these peoples.and salute you{writer} to write this article
san
August 21, 2012 7:22 am
Those people did not understand Quran correctly, may be because it is written in Arabic, and you people do not understand Arabic, I have seen people from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Most of them following islam in correct way, Please go to those contry and see,
Indian Hindu!
August 21, 2012 7:23 am
Well said brother........I salute you for your true and factful opinion!
kelashhoo.com
August 21, 2012 7:23 am
comendable job by the writer faiza mirza..
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:23 am
syed sir, but Hindus come under the category of pagans and their is no such protection granted to the idolators in your system. do not mince words....have the courage to accept truth.
G. Thind
August 21, 2012 7:30 am
Love marriage and that also in Pakistan between Muslim men and Hindu girls - what a joke! Readership of the Dawn does not descend from Mars, all of us happen to be from Pakistan or India - we cannot fool one another. I was born in India and immigrated to Canada in 1950s. I visited Pakistan 5 times, traveled from Menjodaro, Texila to Harrapa and wrote a book. Problem with people like you is that you are adamant to the core and refuse to learn. Faiza, please keep on enlightening us the ignorant, we may learn something from your unadulterated mind and spirit.
SAB
August 21, 2012 7:30 am
FAIZA I have a 1942 love story! My maternal grandmother( GM) is the daughter of ex civil surgeon Dadu before partition.She fell in love with my maternal grandfather who was a muslim. My GM eloped with a muslim boy my grandpa (GP) in 1942. They remained fugitive for 3 years and later appeared in court and testified about their love marriage amid Slogans of Allah O Akabar by common people who had nothing to do with this love but were their to glorify religion. Today My GP is no more as he died many years ago, but my GM is still alive and livingly happily with her 3 generations. The reason to narrate this story is tell you the other side of picture. Its more of love stories than any forced conversion. There is no concept of forced conversion in Islam and anyone doing it is entirely disservicing the religion. I don't know about other stories but one of Rinkle Kumari I followed it closely as I was in Ghotaki in those days. To me it was a love marriage conversion. I would request you all to depict the correct picture as these marriage happens since ages in Indo- Pak and cross- regligions Muslims boys-hindu girls (in pakistan), Hindu boys-muslims girls (India).
san
August 21, 2012 7:36 am
Insteed of supporting her, this guy is praying for GOD, some fanitic will come and kill you , because you pray for FAIZA
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:37 am
she will return to her lord proudly, for having the courage to say what others were hiding. she will reach her lord with no baggage in her heart. can you say the same about you? that you did your part.
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:38 am
would you love, if she embraces hinduism?
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:39 am
jizya, to be precise.
utsav
August 21, 2012 7:40 am
indeed an irony.
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:41 am
surinder, they will not, or do you think it is easy to live with a guilt in your heart?
sheryar
August 21, 2012 7:44 am
Dear Naresh, I am a Pakistani, and i am horrified to hear about all this myself. Not all people are alike. I truly believe that people should live there lives as per there choices.
Raj G
August 21, 2012 1:05 pm
and likewise for Muslims in India sent to Pakistan?
Shikher
August 21, 2012 7:47 am
We form groups, associations, sects, states, countries to properly manage and administrate things, not to form an opinion or belief which demeans other groups, associations, sects, states and countries. One god, one philosophy of humanity is the only thing we require... kudos to the writer.. am impressed with Pakistanis like you. and a pakistan with citizens like you..
abcd
August 21, 2012 7:51 am
a decade and half back you had higher gdp-per capita, but now you are lagging. in 2020, we would be 48%, and you would be roughly 45%. do the math, we would bridge the gap by then. also, all the edge that you had, is slowly being cornered by indians. so, after 2020, you will find even less reasons to even compare yourself with india.
Manju
August 21, 2012 7:53 am
@ Avik you are total ignorant of facts. Once British controlled 60% of whole world and if they want to convert all people of respective countries includes Indian Sub continent to Christianity easity they can. But they never take sword for that. only used missionaries...
NMM
August 21, 2012 7:57 am
India should open its doors to all Pakistani Hindus to re-locate back to India & grant them citizen-ship.
abcd
August 21, 2012 8:07 am
no.....this is not the case.....the abrahamic religions explicitly say that there is no one beside the God....and to associate anyone with him is to commit shirk, which is regarded as the highest crime in abrahamic religions.
utsav
August 21, 2012 8:08 am
Suppose you have a problem with the roof of your house, your family is complaining about it, instead of fixing the problem you say that your bed is still better than the bed of your neighbors home, and your genes are superior than your neighbors genes. you and your family will go to your neighbors place , make them your slave or kill them and take their home. What happened to the roof ? This is how people in sub continent solve problems. Instead of taking the social injustices head on, getting rid off religious affiliation and caste based affiliation in national affair, we agreed to bow down to religion, made two nations. Then instead of trying federal system and more powers to states and more support for diferent regional cultures , we went for uniformity ( bangladesh baluchistan sindh problem for pakistan, kashmir, dravidian, north east sister states for india). instead of giving more importance to welfare economics, we continued the feudal structure. ghar me danapani nehi, lekin ho gaye nuclear power. cant deliver minnimum healthcare, but developing rockets to deliver long distance nuclear warheads. in every five second we the people of subcontinent become part of a serious crime, in next five seconds we justify the crime, then we deny the crime, and then 1.6 billion of this subcontinent calls their favourite god.
observer
August 21, 2012 12:06 pm
Well, I may be a great, great, .... grandchild of someone who may have been forced to embrace Islam. But you know what, I feel no need to leave Islam. I find it true religion and a great one. I love it. What is being done in the name of Islam is wrong. It may be a little hard to comprehend but Islam is most misused by Muslims. It is logical and factual to construe Islam as a religion of peace. I dont believe in violence and to me Islam is peace. There are some people who practice violence in the name of Islam. That does not me mean there are no Muslims who don't believe in use of force. Muslims generally believe in peace. When economic / political conditions deteriorate (like they have in Pakistan), violence comes out as an option. I have no problem in Islam being my religion and modern, democratic Pakistan being my country.
Imran
August 21, 2012 8:15 am
Sounds like India is the best country to live in the world.
skylark
August 21, 2012 8:16 am
the scene was east pakistan. i will describe in jessore then you could elaborate it for wahole part of east pakistan. IT WAS EAST PAKISTAN THEN NOW BANGLADESH : WHEN BENGALI MUSLIMS HAD ROMANCE WITH MIABHAI ,THOUGH IT DIDN'T LAST LONG BUT ~ pakistan army used to help but main lead used to be given by LOCAL muslims who relaized that HINDUS were soft target. "The maulana, as expected, demanded new restrictions on religious minorities or "their men will be enslaved and women distributed among the believers." as written inDAWN : THEY DID DISTRIBUTE THESE HINDU WOMEN THAT BANGLDESH GENETIC FACE HAS CHANGED BY THESE FORCED CONVERSION. FRIDAY AFTER NAMAZ ,THEY USED TO APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE MIDDLECLASS HINDUS AND ASKED FOR CONVERSION ; but the real DRAMA used to start after they used to ask the army to surround the house : all beutiful girls were brought on the yrad and local muslims used to rape them on by one. this tragic incident never COULD REGISTERED AS KAFIR HAD NO RIGHT ,FIR to any police for backlash. properties were all captured amount to millions by force "enemy's property law " legally used to get the HINDU PROPERTIES HINDUS PROPERTIES WER BANNED TO SALE BECAUSE PROPERTIES WERE ALL REGISTERED TO ALL MUSLIMS LEADERS ; ONE ABU MIA OF JESSORE HE HAD 2000 ACRES, A MAN WHO USED TO BE A LABORER! TERE WER E THOUSANDS OF ABU MIA
observer
August 21, 2012 8:17 am
This alien Arab culture is more mine now. I am a Muslim for many generations and I am completely satisfied. I have respect and tolerance for all religions. But I have no urge to convert back to Hinduism just because someone was forced to convert. I was not forced into being a Muslim. I was born in a Muslim family and I see Islam as a peaceful message and I am totally proud of it. Those who are violent are not true representatives of Islam. I am sure most of Muslims are peaceful. It is just a handful who misuse name of Islam to justify their acts.
Raheel
August 21, 2012 8:17 am
Rinkle Kumari is a 19 year Pakistani girl and a student, who was kidnapped and allegedly forced to converted from Hinduism to Islam and marry Muslim Naveed Shah.[1][2] Her case was appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court of Pakistan and generated widespread news interest & talk shows. In the Supreme Court of Pakistan, she was sent to a shelter to make up her mind. Chief Justice sent them to the Registrar Office after relatives tried to influence the girls in the courtroom. The bench observed that since the girls were adult, they could decide their future. This event was despite Rinkle Kumari's open shrieking on camera and in court against being taken to a shelter, as she insisted on being returned to her mother.[1] She submitted their statements along with two other converts in the Registrar Office of the Supreme Court wherein they said that they wanted to live with their husbands and not their parents.[3] The President of Pakistan gave a media statement against forced conversions on Feb 24, 2012.
Zalim Singh
August 21, 2012 8:21 am
The case of Rinkle kumary is before us as an eye-opener. The whole town came in support of conversion. People were standing on buses and vehicles and giving our Islamic war verses. This is absolutely disgusting. I am sure many Muslims will come forward and condemn it, I call it lip service. All these people also support these kind of atrocities from there heart- what ever they might call their fellow Muslims. In India we never even touch a Muslim lady. Let alone abduct and convert. Hindus take care to keep themselves at arms distance in their presence.
Reality
August 21, 2012 8:22 am
Give me a second, let me thank these hatters. thank you. :-)
Dee
August 21, 2012 9:30 am
Perhaps that's the only thing you can talk about!!! But have you ever bothered to ask yourself, why with the said "persecution", the Indian Muslims are not willing to leave for safer ISLAMIC havens like Pakistan or the middle East? That inspite of the said communal atrocities, we have even Afghani & Bangladeshi Muslims taking refuge in India?
aasha, New Delhi
August 21, 2012 9:32 am
Conversion for Love? Does not sound very convincing. Your GM's time was different - people were genuinely religious and religious identity was not something to be flaunted. But today it is very different. What does the celebrations after Rinkle Kumari's conversion-cum-marriage signify? Surely, those celebrating Rinkle's conversion had nothing to do with her love. Believe me, a Hindu never gets converted, for we believe that one can worship God in any form. A Hindu can go t mosque, Church, say a namaz, pray to Jesus and remain a Hindu. In fact Muslims can happily do a headcount and add one more number to their population.Does this serve the cause of Islam? by the way does the Pakistani law have provision for mixed marriages? By the way Great Job Ms Mirza. Keep it up
SAB
August 21, 2012 9:34 am
This is the irony of indo-pak history. We find hatred and bigotry amongst love and compassion. How easily we change love stories into religious wars. I know every comment against this article would bring dislike as we are not in mood of getting correct picture but only that suits are mindset. Best of luck skylark. Peace to all.
Rani Sharma
August 21, 2012 9:36 am
The incidents again underline the pressing need for completing Partition. Hindus are not safe in Muslim countries. In Bangladesh before it was liberated the Islamic army of Pakistan killed 3 million Hindus and another 10 million fled to India. The true goal of Partition was to create a Pakistan as the Islamic homeland for Muslims of pre-partition India and India as a secular country for non-Muslims. Partition was a good idea because Muslims and non-Muslims have never lived in harmony and it is unlikely that they will vie together in harmony in the foreseeable future. What is bad is that we have uncompleted Partition. Muslims in what is now India were the most fervent fighters to break up India and even murder was one of their tools. After non-Muslims like Gandhi and Nehru succeeded in gaining independence, the Muslim leader Jinnah boasted won Pakistan without having to spend a single day in jail. Muslims got cold feet after breaking up India and refused to go to Pakistan and were very happy when the Nehru signed the Nehru-liaqat Pact that banned further unlimited migration of Muslims to Pakistan. We must now complete Partition by taking in all non-Muslims from Pakistan and Bangladesh and resettling all Muslims in indi in Pakistan and Bangladesh. The exchange of populations should be completed in phases over 10 years so as to avoid the blood letting that took place in 1947. Muslims will be very happy to live among their own under the Arabic legal system of Sharia. Non-Muslims can then focus on building a prosperous and peaceful non-Muslim secular India without having to worry about yet another Partition.
ankit
August 21, 2012 9:37 am
Hats Off to u Mam for putting truth on the podium in such a siple and effective way ..... these things are hard to digest in 21st century .... sitting here in india makes me feel pain the lil girl and her family is goin through at ths moment .... wat is more painful is that even after so many of such incidents Your Government hasnt taken any major step to provide them environment of security and it doesnt seems also that pak gov. is takin matter seriously ..... i just pray to God to give strength to victims families and wisdom to those blind people who doesn't know tht they r digging way for themselves leading to hell .... and AT LAST LOTS OF RESPECT FOR YOU MAM ....
Bad Writer
August 21, 2012 9:39 am
The writer of this column as well non muslim that's why she fully against Muslim. Try to live out from our Country and live in Indian Gujarat.
Dee
August 21, 2012 9:39 am
...Yes, indeed, you'll have to live in India to feel the reality! Why not try seeking refuge in India like Afghani and Bangladeshi Muslims and have a first hand experience, with our Indian Muslims, who inspite of the said persecution have never fled the country? "Bigotry", the kind that exists in Pakistan - with Sunnis, Shias, Ahmedis, etc. different sects of the SAME religion? Khan, we in India, have "differences" within members of different religions and not between members of the same religion. You see, the latter is beyond logic and absolutely ridiculous. Intolerance, at its worst.
guest
August 21, 2012 9:45 am
it seems that Hindus read dawn more than muslims or atleast they are more prolific in recording thier comments and the bloggers and writers realise this fact so the stories like this are narrated. what I look forward is another story of plight of an ahmedi girl having same sort of experiences.
Ali
August 21, 2012 9:47 am
You are right when you say Taliban are brutal and they don't believe in Islam rather they believe in violence. The Shia were not a potent force then. Their role has been positive and they have been the victims of the kind hatred.
ikram
August 21, 2012 9:49 am
We have to agree that both societies (Pakistan and India) are intollerant towards minorities. I can bring up many names on major posts in Pakistan from minorities (one recent and very good example is Bhagwan Das, Ex Cheif Justice of Pakistan Supreme Court, that is quite something). This tolerence towards minories is wrong, no matter whereever it is.
Mohammed Yousef
August 21, 2012 11:33 am
jafrees2000, so bcoz of all these reasons, u can treat ur own people as outcast? the article is not about a community from kashmir, UP, bollywood or bangladesh. it is about your own citizens. if something wrong happens in somewhere else in the world, you will revenge it on your own poeple??? same like when somebody abuse you or beat you in the market, you will take revenge by doing the same on your mom and dad??? learn to protect your people first, and then look around for the happenings of rest of the world.
MaliceinBlunderland
August 21, 2012 9:52 am
Alice in wonderland? Yes, indeed, Maira in Pakistan rather Malice in blunderland! Stop living in denial and get real! Suggest read more articles by Faiza Mirza and her kind, might help you grow a little if not more.
rambo
August 21, 2012 3:16 pm
i hope it is not a cooked-up story to belittle, undermine and humiliate Islam. Allahuakbar Allahuakbar Allahuakbar
pk-Kiran
August 21, 2012 3:19 pm
Dear Mr Bhutto, Pagara, Zardari, Jonejo, Shah, Nizamani, Khaskheli Where are you?I thought you are with us. We lived together in Sindh for centuries. At the time of partition when we had a choice to leave , you came and reminded us that we are Sindhis before we are Hindus, Christians or Muslims. We loved you and had your pictures in our stores and households...some have even today. See a paan wala at your street corner. I advise be prepared if want to come.... it's going to take a lot more than what you think to stop this!!!! with love A Hindu Sindhi
manish
August 21, 2012 3:20 pm
what do u do hassan?wanna ur friend.manish here frm india
kashif
August 22, 2012 11:13 am
everything is fine and let suppose true but what about burma muslims womens
fraz
August 21, 2012 3:29 pm
force conversion is completely wrong. FAIZA you have to be clear hear rather than commenting on the necessity of the monotheism. .. THE STORY YOU TOLD WAS A FICTION OR FACT???.... To me it is a fiction.... I am sure lots of bad things happening in this world. Interior Sindh is hostile to even Ordinary Pakistani's living elsewhere due to high illiteracy and backwardness....No wonder PPP get votes from there:)
Zafar Malik
August 21, 2012 3:33 pm
Thanks Faiza for this wrting this heart wrenching article I wish all progressive, secular and freedom loving people of Pakistan could unite and rise to free the country from the clutches of these misguided Facists who want to destroy it in the name of Islam.
JOY FREEMAN
August 21, 2012 3:34 pm
it's brave work to write such article in pakistan. if pk wants long inning, respect other religion.
Observer Too
August 21, 2012 3:35 pm
You are entitled to your belief and I trust you will respect the right of each individual to his/her belief or non-belief, and hope you wil not ( or stop others from) resort to violence if a muslim want to leave Islam. Pakistan will become a modern democratic country when religious freedom is guranteed and enforced by the state and its institution.
Aditi
August 21, 2012 3:40 pm
Forced conversion and 'MARRIAGE' to unknown person....that's pathetic!!! Cant they find girls in their own religion or country, why forcing girls from other religion to convert and marrying them. I hate people playing with others lives in name of religion....
Vivek
August 22, 2012 11:11 am
Imran Mia, either you do not understand English or you are pretending like not understanding. The writer is clearly mentioning the hindu girls are dying inch by inch every day and thinking why her parents did not go for "SAFER" place when there was a chance. In India no one is migrating to other countries because of the reason mentioned by the writer. One more point for you to ponder your brains if you have any to understand, In Pakistan the minorities were in about 20% in 1947-48 but today they are reduced to 1.2%, now let us see India, today the % has gone up by 5 times than what it was in the same time period. Always God helps who asks for help and not who kills other for religion.
Siddiqui
August 21, 2012 3:48 pm
VKR saahib - I don't claim that everything is good and rosy in Pakistan... there are a lot of problems here... give credit to the thinking/liberal segment of Pakistani population that it is openly accepting these problems and arguing to correct them as well. As far as Kumari cases are concerned, which segment of media coverage are you referring to? The leading human rights lawyer stated on television that a lot of such cases of conversion are actually cases of love marriage. Pakistani supreme court took suo motu notice and investigated the case in detail. Media people also investigated independently and came to the conclusion that its a love marriage case. All of this has also been reported in media. What makes you believe in the media version presented by ultra-liberals and Indian media only? If i start looking at India through the writings of Arudhati Roy only, i would probably conclude that India is the worst place on Earth.... i'm sure you would not find that a fair depiction of your country.
Siddiqui
August 21, 2012 3:52 pm
Get your facts clear. Bhagwandaas did become CJ as per the time allowed by law and later on Chairamn of Federal Public Service Commission. Durrab Patel also served at the highest level of judciary. This single statement shows how people would believe anything based on their biases without researching facts. This whole emotional blog is based on perceptions based on half-truths rather than facts. Pakistan has a bad record on minorities... so does India... but quoting wrong fasts won't help improve the situation.
AHA
August 21, 2012 3:52 pm
Obviously, you did not like the blog. Ovbviously...
Non Muslim muslim
August 21, 2012 4:01 pm
Unfortunately the constitution of Pakistan in itself legitimizes intolerance when it makes it mandatory for you to be a muslim( that too as defined in the constitution ) to become a PM, President, SPeaker of assembly or HEad of army. The makers of constitution assumed that either minorities did not exist in Pakistan or those were not good enough or loyal enough to lead and take on positions of responsibilities.
abdul
August 21, 2012 4:13 pm
I live in interior sindh .i followed the rinkle kumari incident .only one politician a local muslim mpa had the courage to talk against those who were involved in her conversion .the plight of sindhi hindus is a complex issue .its not just a campaign agaisnt hindus its a compaign against sindhis..being sindhi is a crime in pakistan plus being hindu is a double crime..before partition i am told by my elders hindus and muslims lived in harmony in sindh. they used to attend eachothers weddings and funerals with families .even today sindh is land of sufis and people are more secular than rest of country .we belive hindus have same right as muslims .we have protected them in past and will protect them as our brothers in future as well. i do applaud writer for this article but please do not depict sindh as an intolerant place it is better than rest of pakistan..
Indian
August 21, 2012 4:18 pm
it made my heart sad . After reading the article.
sid
August 21, 2012 4:19 pm
filmy dialogue beta...read abt number of honor killings, rapes, dowries etc..watch documentaries on caste discrimination..then be proud of your country!
Shubham
August 21, 2012 4:19 pm
so u mean 1% was in west pak where as 21% was in East ? Seriously?
Jagdish
August 21, 2012 4:33 pm
I am appalled by the apathy to what is happening within Pakistan. Ironically you would scream your lungs out at percieved injustice in Myanmar, Palestine, etc, but not bat an eyelid when minorities suffer. It gives no solace to the oppressed by saying even muslims suffer the same hardship.
anuj
August 21, 2012 4:37 pm
I m frm India,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and this is same full for Pakistan..........which is happening their.... And i salute the writer of this article.............thts why Pakistan is stil their ..where it was 65 yrs b fore
HM ..
August 21, 2012 4:39 pm
What if this story is fabricated by Faiza??? You Indians don't wear the coat of greatness. We have not forgotten Babri Masjid, Killing of Indra Gandhi and then Killing of Sikhs, Burning of Live Christians and Gujarat Massacre to mention a few.
Feroz
August 22, 2012 6:53 am
SAB, I think you are living in dreamland and reading too many Mills and Boon novels. The definition of Love means giving selflessly. No human being with human values who is in LOVE can ever ask his or her partner to convert for the sake of marriage. You follow yours I follow mine, we respect both. Those who ask others to convert do not have any clue as to what Love means, Wake up, are you getting the picture ?
pawan
August 21, 2012 4:42 pm
Well it would be good if you look mirror first . a bit introspect..will not harm you .. If one narrates one experience in disfavour of Islam does not mean it's against Islam .. it 's how some of it follower took it in wrong way and defame other name also ...Let's not talk of other world .. talk of this world o
agnostic
August 21, 2012 4:42 pm
abrahamic religions including islam believes that god is too great to be described correctly. and hinduism by ur own admission doesn't describe or define god. so what is the difference between the two??
A Pakistani Hindu
August 21, 2012 4:45 pm
Dear Faiza Mirza, I appreciate and salute you for your efforts and courage on discussing the real issues, but the unfortunity for us is that, no one is willing to listen the real facts. The government officals (Either Hindu or Muslim) are scared of losing their seats and vote bank, if they did anything to resolve these issues. I don't see any immidiate resolution from government side, except making the body who is visiting those places. As all hopes, every efforts will be going into vain, so did i. From Pakistani Hindu, whose name will be changed within few months as Indian Hindu............. Because i see, this is the ultimate solution......
siddharth
August 21, 2012 4:47 pm
Pakistanis seems to have lost their battle for "Jinnah's" Pakistan. Its a point of no return, the country has subjugated before Mullahs. Initially minorities are bearing the brunt, soon muslim sects will face it. It never quite ends. Historically a fault line exists in Pakistan, which runs through the Indus. On its western side were the barbarians (except Persia) who inhabited Saudi, Afghanistan etc. This battle seems to be of minorities, but fellas soon it will be turned on you. Culturally different Punjab and Sindh will have to ask to themselves, do they want to listen to the diktats of Talibans and design a regressive society and keep fighting with superior India? An honest answer alone can help them, else they are doomed!
Owais Ahmed
August 21, 2012 4:49 pm
A bold article depicting the plight of the minorities in Pakistan, but your comments sir were unfair. Why blame the religion for the acts of its followers. You and a lot of the commentators of this article got a chance for islam bashing-lately becoming a fad. You have a short selective memory- conveniently forgetting- what Hitler (a Christian) did to the millions of Jews in Europe and what the Serbians did to the muslim population in Bosnia. If you are fair say that Christianity massacred the Jews and muslems in Europe. There are good and bad people in every nation as in the nations of Islam. There acts – good or bad – should not reflect on their religion.
Anwar Amjad
August 21, 2012 4:56 pm
It is time some Mulla Mithoo convert Faiza Mirza to Islam so that she stops telling lies.
Kallu Mama
August 21, 2012 4:59 pm
Arshad - you are a ostrich with its neck deep in ground - consider this , even the shias or Hazaras in your country are not safe, they are being literally butchered , more so in the holy month of Ramzaan You are lamenting demolition of the 500 year old Muslim Mosque In Ayodha? Remember this mosque was built by soem Ghazi by razing a Ram temple ( albeit I deplore that at as well) - but what about demolition of 100 of graves etc by Wahabi Saudis? that is acceptable to you Loss of bangladesh was of your own making - read some basic school book history and not bigoted Pakistan Studies - you shall certainly smell coffee ! First act on protecting helpless christians, Hindus, Shias, baloch and then only you have moral right to even speak about our muslim brothers
HM...
August 21, 2012 5:01 pm
But Zakir Naik is Anti Pakistan and Anti Muslim...
Khidmatgaar-e-Khuda
August 21, 2012 5:06 pm
Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe - True. But most of this increase is by childbirth. Muslims breed at a faster rate than other religionists. As far as voluntary conversion is concerned, Islam lags behind all other religions.
Udaas
August 21, 2012 5:10 pm
Mr.Pakistani! U just arrange the asylum in european country for newly convert boy or girl and let him/her live there free for some time then ask him how he/she get convert.I challange u he will tell u the real face of religious funamentalist so called mullahs.ur complete denail reflects ur narrow mentality
HM...
August 21, 2012 5:11 pm
I agree with you .. its a fiction not well written by Faiza...
HM...
August 21, 2012 5:12 pm
Agree...with you. What a name Faiza Kumari
Pankaj
August 21, 2012 5:14 pm
Whenever I read this,I ask myself WHY...? if India,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Srilanka etc unite together like European union We can can surpass WEST...But Countries like USA do not like it.They sell arms to both India and Pakistan...they earn cash while we fight and die....I wonder when our ministers will understand this
Malik
August 21, 2012 5:26 pm
Hindus in India are castigating and litigating Shah Rukh Khan for disrespecting India flag in some Youtube video just because someone in his caste forgot to make the flag upside down right. The comments section is TOI is full of people calling him Paki and calling him "they" aka muslims. Muslims in India suffer everyday, so do all the rest of minority. The culture of Bigotry transcends borders Both in INDIA and Pakistan. It is NOT an official policy of government of Pakistan to have itself maligned by continuation of such shameful incidents. However, IGNORANCE, BIGOTRY, UNEDUCATION, APATHY has creeped into Pakistani as well as Indian societies. Indians writing protest comments here need to acknowledge this fact as we Pakistanis are acknowledging our follies.
manish
August 21, 2012 5:29 pm
a very moving narration.. salute the author for her courage. I scrolled through numerous comments and it is very heart warming to know there are so many educated muslims from pakistan too who condemn the act and feel equally guilt being a silent witness to the horrifying acts people commit in the name of religion. It also fills me with more compassion and tolerance for people from other religion. I only wish that the innocents from minority religions are not misled, instigated and used by their fanatic leaders
True Pakistani
August 21, 2012 5:32 pm
- if there are more than one religion, all divergent, claiming to possess the TRUTH none of them is TRUE. religions, all religions, are a very clever way of making money and exercising power over the less fortunate.
NORI
August 21, 2012 5:34 pm
Rana Bhagwan Das was the only example. Recently, I heard a news story that a Sikh man joined Pakistani army as commissioned officer and he is the first non-muslim army officer in 65 years. Shame, shame and you talk about the list of minorities holding top posts.
dbahl1
August 21, 2012 5:39 pm
This memoir of a Hindu girl is one of the sad stories we all have heard, read and witnessed in a Pakistan society - a society that is led by fanatics, outlawed and radicalized group of people. The leaders of militant groups roam around with full impunity in Pakistan and, due to devoid of law and order situation, they are perpetrating all kinds of cruelties and tortures on non-Muslim community. This is the result of misinterpretation of Koran's message about human beings. Koran teaches love all human beings, but Mullahs mesmerize and brainwash their audience by preaching wrong message of Koran. Unfortunately, no one in the audience has the courage to question the mullahs preaching wrong messages with the result the whole Muslim community gets misguided about its dealing with the rest of the world. Hence, the problem faced by the non-Muslims. It is very sad, but there is no immediate solution. The only solution is to change the thinking of 1.2 billion Muslims in the world which is insurmountable and long term task. I don't think it is doable in our life time. The only way it is doable is to change regimes in a few countries - Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran - confiscate their available oil assets and establish moderate governments short of any long term war. ARE THE WESTERN NATIONS READY TO PROMPT THIS ACTION FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY KEEPING ASIDE THE POLITICAL AND SELFISH MOTIVES?
Saqib
August 21, 2012 5:40 pm
nicely written. but does it really depict the reality? or you just have created another fiction?
saqibrasheed
August 21, 2012 5:45 pm
nicely written. but does that story depicts the reality of is it just another piece of fiction?
NORI
August 21, 2012 5:47 pm
Don't write something with jealousy but write for a purpose. If 900 Muslims killed during Gujarat riots bother you then in Pakistan, 36,000 were killed. That's equivalent to 40 Godhra riots and you feel it's OK because the murderers were Muslims. Coming to Babri Mosque, just try to count how many temples were destroyed after the demolition of Babri Masjid ? I don't support Babri Masjid episode but that incident gave Pakistanis an excuse to destroy temples, right ?? What about Katasraj temple whose sacred pond is dying a slow death ?
Dev
August 21, 2012 5:47 pm
To be Fact.....I did cried reading this...m sure all does if they read by heart without making any funny comments or jokes on my view....Please treat her as your sister and then See...You can understand the feeling of the girl who thought before she converted and their family feelings......DAWN you are doing a great job..Not because your wrote something good about hindu but yu brought truth being pakistani.....I salute you....I request people of pakistan who read it ....Pls share it via facebook. Twitter or some social networking....Let all pakistan people know ....Who knows....They may start thinking to change the view of pakistan which appears currently....Thanks a lot...Inshallah and Jai sri Ram !!!!
Raj MoDi
August 21, 2012 5:54 pm
My dear pakistani readers, DO you understnad who this girl was in past?? Your own sisters, mothers and gradmothers. They were convereted from Hinduism to Islam in much brutal fashion. If in 2012, such atrocities exisits, what would have happned in time of Arugzabe?? You are the victims of fanaticism and now you're promoting it, as if it's your owm. Your culture is originally Hindu and so is your blood.
Bobby (UK)
August 21, 2012 5:56 pm
well done faiza. Being a Pakistani muslim writer,you shaw the courage to write truth story about minority (Hindus,sikhas,chistiam etc) in pakistan. i Salute you with my cried eyes because my hindu sisters and brothers are being treated like animals in Current Failed State PAKISTAN. God bless Pakistanis and give a Human Heart to Treat Equally NON MUSLIM people in the world. Also in INDIA, Please wake up indian brothers and sisters to STOP ANOTHER PARTITION OF INDIA.sonner or letter I can see India will divided in the name of religious because MUSLIM POPULATION IN INDIA would creat a very big problem for India. WHERE IS SO CALL ISLAM PREACHER MULLAHS, MAULVIS AND HARDLINER RELIGIOUS FANATICS ? Please comment your view about forcefully conversion to ISLAM. Once again, Salute to Dawn news and your writer faiza. JAY HUMANITY.
Kamaljit Singh
August 21, 2012 5:59 pm
Thank you Hasan Sahib for such a brave statement and kudos to Madam Faiza .
Noorulislam
August 21, 2012 6:00 pm
“Surely, Islam will reach the boundaries of the day and night and Allah will not spare a rural or an urban dwelling except that he would cause Islam to enter it by elevating some and degrading others. A glory with which Allah elevates Islam and a humiliation with which Allah degrade Kufr (disbelief).” (Ahmad and Ibn Hibban, saheeh)
amd
August 21, 2012 6:04 pm
There have been more convictions in Gujarat than in any other state for the riots.Maximum number of Hindu peoples have been sentenced to life imprisonment for taking part in the riots against Muslims in Gujarat.By contrast Kasab the lone Pakistani terrorist captured alive in India is leading a comfortable life in the Indian jail
G.a
August 21, 2012 6:14 pm
So many Indians with their preconceived notions and who have never visited Pakistan seem to know Pakistan better than Pakistanis. Checkout interviews on YouTube of Sikh yatris to Pakistan and you will know how Pakistanis treat Indian visitors. Some people will only believe what they want to believe.
amd
August 21, 2012 6:15 pm
Sir, i am sorry to say that if anybody will do DNA test of Pakistan Muslims and match with DNA test results of Pakistani Hindus,they will match 99%
Ummer Khan
August 21, 2012 6:16 pm
It surely is enough man. You are so right. I hope we Pakistanis as a nation might change for better in future.
Nasir
August 21, 2012 6:19 pm
This is a fake story beyond doubt. Hindus are well off in Pakistan and are respected more than required. Rinkle kumari came out openly and faced the camera to denounce the news of forceful conversion. Her body language was enough to tell people about her happiness to accept Islam and marry her husband.
@mandeepch
August 21, 2012 6:27 pm
dear brother , Address the current problem, making useless comments and pointing finger towards india is not the solution. And do remember india has the capability to give asylum to all the hindus of pakistan.
Ummer Khan
August 21, 2012 6:29 pm
I beg to disagree Dee. Not from your saying that there are no differences among members of followers of same religion there in India. That is for you to tell me as I've never been to India. But I do think that differences is not the thing that's our (Pakistan's) real problem. It's intolerance. I mean having differences is not bad. In fact, it's great. But to rule out the possibility that the other person could be right, I think is fatal. Being Sunni isn't in itself wrong. It's the killing or persecution of Shiites that's wrong. I think so, at least. What do you say?
Alee Kapri
August 21, 2012 6:30 pm
i had never pride to be a pakistani and muslim but was always proud to be sindhi, regardless my affiliation with islam. i thought sindhis are one and religion is secondary but today after reading this, with wet eyes i hate to be sindhi even. iam sorry for all the pain u r going through on this land, which i love most and i wish i could replace people with animals.
Brian
August 21, 2012 6:30 pm
Realize God is one for all humans and the religion is man made, grow up and if possible educate uneducated and enlighten you and your fellow country men.
@rafitoor
August 22, 2012 6:43 am
Instead of getting the whole nation and a great world religion bashed by the Hindus who rightly feel enraged at the forcible conversion of a Hindu girl, why does the writer not have a recourse to the legal system to hunt down the "man in the turban?" Maybe the writer is afraid that the turbaned man will not be held simply because he is not there. Forcible conversion of a Hindu girl to Islam is as disgusting as a forcible conversion of a Muslim girl to Hinduism. But the narrated story has all the emblems of a fiction. The presence of evangelical Islamic movements all across the world and their modus operandi are no longer a secret affair. But it takes a very credulous person to believe that a girl was abducted and confined and converted and produced in the court and the judge started looking the other way. You have a whole elaborate judicial system all the way up to the Supreme Court which at present is basking in the glory of a hardly-won independence. Forcible conversion is a serious issue and it should get the attention that it deserves and it should be investigated thoroughly and the real culprit, be it turbaned or skirted, be brought to the book. Let this issue not vitiate the atmosphere between two nuclear-ridden uneasy neighbors. The old manta of showing the Muslims as bogeymen has to come to an end.
ran10
August 21, 2012 6:32 pm
hassan india aisakabhi nahi karta jaisa pakistan maho raha haa
ran10
August 21, 2012 6:37 pm
ghazanfar these is true in pakistan bcoz your forfather might b convertedin to muslims by same method
@mandeepch
August 21, 2012 6:40 pm
i don't think you ever traveled outside your city and here you are claiming big things.
ran10
August 21, 2012 6:44 pm
mr ahmed u still biased mind u not see future off pakistan and that not bollywod story real story in pakistan the world know the actual conditions off minorities in india and pakistan
ran10
August 21, 2012 6:47 pm
realy u think that your anccestor convert willingly just go and ask your mother she might say true story as same hindu gurl story to u
ran10
August 21, 2012 6:52 pm
asif go for your family history and ask ur elders why they converted into muslims u find the right answer forcefully or might b love marriage with muslim gurl/boy
Raj
August 21, 2012 6:55 pm
Please look into your country before pointing finger to us. The incident in Assam is indeed a issue of Local Bodo vs non Indian, illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. It is not a issue of Hindus and Muslims. We are a tolerant country and know how to respect communities of other religion. Gujarat atrocities are long back indecent for whom many were prosecuted and sentence. Of-course there are some loopholes but at least we are addressing those serious issue unlike people of your ilks who behave like an ostrich and not seeing the upcoming dangers...dangers for you, your society and at the end for your country.
Zohaib
August 21, 2012 7:00 pm
The story is of Kandh Kot, which is in Sindh. I have been to that place and lived there for about six months. The area has large population of Hindus, not only in Kandh Kot but also in areas around it like Sukur, Jacobabad and Kashmore. Hindus in this area have large businesses and are also influential in this area. Now giving this story a tint of religious splash would be wrong. It seems to be more of an exploitation by rich or influential class, which by the way is devoid of any religious zeal. here it appears that the guard of temple probably wanted to marry this girl but since she was Hindu therefore he forcefully converted her. had she been a poor Muslim hari (tenants of landlords in Sindh) no such requirement would have been there hence might have been just forced into the marriage. Believe me more Muslim girls are subjected to such forced marriages in that part of the world than Hindus. Even within Hindu and Muslim communities both, forced marriages and trading of girls is very common in interior Sindh. It is accepted as part of there culture. Believe me rich landlords and influential (both Muslims and Hindu) subject the poor people to such inhumane treatment that one cannot imagine. And about Muslims in that area -- majority of them have no idea about their religion; they are Muslims just because they have a Muslim name. Otherwise, Islam does not permit even a forced marriage of Muslims what to talk about conversion.
SNoureen
August 21, 2012 7:05 pm
few days back we all saw a hindu girls converted to muslim presented by a pvt channel.everyone can notice not only her words but also her bodylanguage that how much she was in love with that boy for whom she was converted and married.plz if minorities dont want to live here they can go. plz go to ur loving country.the rest who want to wake pakistan,shoud go to Aasaam and Burma anr try to wake their goverments.
Sad Ahmed
August 21, 2012 7:08 pm
In The Name Of Allah Most Graciuos most Merciful. Chap.2 Allah Say there is no compulsion in deen why this mullah forcing a human to convert to Islam may be we muslim forget the core of Islam. Allah Hafiz
SNoureen
August 21, 2012 7:10 pm
i m disappointed to listen this fake story.even i m shoocked about the reporters IQ.i do not know how a single person can perform abduction of an adult girl.even a one year child is snatched from her mother cannot be managed by the abductor.then how an adult girl can be abducted so easily,and more over the reporter who is believing all this.
Salim
August 21, 2012 7:10 pm
This article is fully fabricated and myth in fact these things are going on in India on daily basis and thousands of Muslims girls are been converted in India but the Muslims are afraid and our so called educated Pakistan Muslim class for the sake of lime light writing (fabricating) articles far from truth so that they can be appreciated by others. In India every school, college and university preach Hinduism and the pictures of Hindu Gods and Goddess hangs on everything from Buses to Schools and myself have experienced mass conversion of Muslims during Babri Masjid Demolition period in every part of India.
@mandeepch
August 21, 2012 7:13 pm
who said sonia is a hindu????, she is free to practice her religion in india
shagufta asad
August 21, 2012 7:16 pm
If you notice from all above series of conversation there is hardly anyone who did not condemn this brutal act from Pakistan. The problem is not with people the problem is with govt where we Muslims are even not secure. When we come out of house we hardly sure that we will reach back safely. Our shia minorities are suffering and have no security at all. This new trend of killing Shia Muslims is the most brutal act of violence in Pakistan. Please note that our Christean minorities are working at govt level and had been appointed as chief justice of Pakistan while they were in power don't you think they should have done some thing for minorities?
Salim
August 21, 2012 7:17 pm
In India Muslims are 20% but in Government Jobs only 1.5%, Armed Forces 1% and Private Sector Jobs 1.5% may be you will pin point education but my dear we are 35% educated. The President or Vice President or Speaker is the most useless dummy positions in India. You can play with Pakistan Muslims especially this writer but not with India Muslims.
second opinion
August 21, 2012 7:19 pm
Ha Ha! You sound no different from the muslim fanatics you seem to hate. Some "secular India" you'll build for sure my friend. Thank goodness India doesn't have many nut cases like you.
zafar
August 21, 2012 7:27 pm
Hats off for Faiza. I wonder, there are thousands of NGOs and dozens of political parties. But is there anybody for such depressed and underprivileged factions of the society? Why do we came to know about "STORIES" ( I'm feeling sad for saying that). Why such acts can't be preempted?
Ali
August 21, 2012 7:30 pm
Another Phony Doctor zealot.......but I digress by attacking you......irrespective of what happens to Muslims across the globe.......I ask you a simple questions.....would the prophet approve of forced conversions? Answer………………..NO!
Indian
August 21, 2012 7:33 pm
I'm sure you are not a real Dalit. In India, Dalits are in really good and high posts in govt offices and the government is giving lot of benefits for them to get into colleges and works. So take advantage of it. One more thing, you don't have to go to Pakistanin if you want ot convert to other religion. Even in India you can convert to other religion by getting some money from them. Thats how the Christian missionary are converting Hindus to their religion.
Syed
August 21, 2012 7:33 pm
Faiza, Salute from Chicago. Someone has courage to bring this story on surface. Politician like Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif & other religous paties don't have scency to condemn this act of forced meijure.
farhanahmed1993
August 21, 2012 7:39 pm
cuz change is universal. everyone follows someone as role modeln adapt his way. it is not bad to adapt something good.
Nishan Antaal
August 21, 2012 7:55 pm
I am not saying it, it's baba Bulle Shah's poem
Caused2lovechrist
August 21, 2012 7:57 pm
Forced conversion is false religion. You serve yourself not your god. Most religions would call you infidel.
Infidel
August 21, 2012 8:08 pm
Poor close to the article. Or probably purposeful evasion. It should have been I am a minority living in a society of intolerant faith.
@rk_s
August 21, 2012 8:08 pm
You can't be blamed. You are a product of a society that imbues hatred and intolerance into its young ones. To expect you to feel ashamed of the filth in your backyard without citing competing examples of filth is to expect too much civility.
KHALID MAMOOD KHAWAR
August 21, 2012 8:13 pm
When I was a child, I was always taught by my parent not to rely any one in the street for a free ride or food. I practice the same even today to avoid problems. We should teach our children to be careful when they are out. Criminals are spread all around us. Sometimes in their real face some times wearing the mask of religion or else. You can see the rites against Muslims by Christian criminals in Bosnia during 90s, Asam by Hindus, Burma by Budhists, Palestine by zionists and at many other places. I also remember rites of BABARI masjid by Hindu criminals, killings of Kashmiris by Hindu criminals. The criminals should be dealt very carefully and with determination. We should not get enflamed by emotional writings. We should keep our morals up. We are against criminals irrespective of their religion- no matter if he call himself Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Budhist, Jew or else.
Aliya Bibi
August 21, 2012 8:13 pm
This article is about a personal experience that this Hindu girl had in pakistan. Her abductor wanted to marry her, forced her into coversion to Islam to justify his marriage with that girl, it is so obvious. Islam as a religion or Pakistan as an Islamic country need not be blamed for it. Forced conversion is strictly forbidden in Islam as well as bribery, cheating, looting, killings etc. It was in the times of Islamic caliphate that non muslims had the most freedom to practice their own faith, why don't you study the history. If people converted to Islam it was due to the truthful religion and character of the practicing muslims. If muslims are moving away from the teachings of Islam, the religion is not to be blamed for that. I feel sorry for the writer too that she presented her side of the story but failed to mention that how it is perceived in Islam, only to get some words of appreciation. It is bad journalism!! Aliya Bibi.
Lalita SD
August 22, 2012 12:51 pm
I don't agree with you at all. Muslims are treated way better in our country. In fact they are sometimes treated better than Hindus, especially by our politicians. We are scared to express ourselves openly. When our politicians take it too far, then there is bound to be a backlash. In our country Muslims are treated better than in any other country in the world. Here they have the freedom they don't have in Muslim countries, & they are not looked upon as suspiciously as in the remaining countries.
abc
August 21, 2012 8:19 pm
Yes, let’s talk about Assam first, as it is a recent case. This is a conflict between two communities in a village-tribal bodo (who are Hindus and Christians and animist) and Muslim settlers, mostly Bengali speaking. This is certainly an issue, but it’s not a hindu-muslim conflict. It’s a conflict of land and identity. It’s not state sponsored conflict, nor it was a conflict based on religion. Now, Gujarat. It was started, when some miscreants, burnt an entire railway coach filled with religious travelers, because of their hatred or vested interests. Can you even imagine, a train full of Hajjis or Muslim religious travelers being burned down by any minority community in your country, and its reparations. Well, it is not even possible to dream of such a situation in Pakistan. So, lets not talk about it. Let’s say, the same situation in USA. Christian travelers (not a terrorist activity, and not general traveler, who just happened to be Christians), being attacked by Muslims or any other minority community, then what will be the backlash. Being said that, i certainly do not support the attacks on Muslims in Gujarat, but sometimes, baseless hatred and attack by some community leads to tremendous loss of life, which is always condemnable.
M. Khan
August 21, 2012 8:27 pm
Ramish was his name. Engineering student from Karachi's NED college, back in early 80s. Was close friend of my older brother. My mother (obviously a muslim), considered Ramish as her son. To blame every single being in the country for indignities incurred on women specifically Hindu is unfair.
umaish jasrani
August 21, 2012 8:30 pm
Self Engineered stories.its Big Fat lie .Articale is just combination of words to gain Gain Famous and sympathy.
Faraz Paracha
August 21, 2012 8:32 pm
Its just a false story. There might have been such isolated incident but this is NOT the story of minorities in Pakistan. And who let you even post this on a website which is read by so many around the world, is there anything as being a writer plus a 'responsible citizen'?. Why are you establishing a bad image of our country. Hindus in interior Sindh are more well off than the Muslims there, first take a trip and then write. Secondly Pakistani Hindus doctors are doing very well in big cities such as Karachi. Faiza, you are just another so called wanna be 'secular'.
Dipakamehta
August 21, 2012 8:34 pm
Why in the hell Pakistan doesn't use Blasphemy law against the Muslims who convert Hindu girls and hang them just they would do to non-dMuslims? Tit for tat.
amjad
August 21, 2012 8:34 pm
This kind of story may happen once a year in Pakistan, Which should have not, this man who did this should be put in Jail. Sind Govt. and MQM and PPP chief minister should take action. Let these Hindu's move to Punjab and they will be safer than Sind....But let's not forget that these kind of Hate is in India too, let them not be Pure.....rather they kill and burn our muslim brothers....so called Hindu extremists almost every month....and Hindu's to their own women SATTI...and when her husdan dies...where does a Hindu women goes....Hindu's living in America and UK should help their own women sisters in India first before writing against Pakistan. Go and watch the movies on Youtube what Hindu society does to a women when her husband dies, even when a women are young.....
Rehman Khattack
August 21, 2012 8:39 pm
Thank you for writing an article that has brought out every worm out of the wood work to attack Islam. Islam is pure beauty. It teaches nothing but tolerance. Do you know that the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) had a christian wife from whom he had a son called Ibrahim; sto Islam and he did not convert he never forced her to do so.It isn't Islam that is to blame for the ills that minorities suffer but the indiginous culture that is divirced from the beauty of Islam. World renouned Muslim poet Rumi says, "Let the beauty that you love be what you do."
Omar
August 21, 2012 8:41 pm
What is SAATI...???? Worried about one story to a Hindu girl.....read millions stories in INDIA everyday, to a Muslim people....including alive burning them in the Train and Gujrat and the dismantling the Mosque in INDIA and extremist Hindu's all over India and the BJP Party well known for their Hindu extreme ideas and Views....No one remembers that... This man should know that we do not need to convert this Hindu girl.....he should go to Jail for this..... Let these Hindu's move to Punjab....there are many Hindu member of PAK assembly and should raise voice... Regardless this should not happen....even Hindu society in INDIA are much worse and extremist than this...
Niharika
August 22, 2012 6:38 am
I can only say that I completely agree with you.Dawn provides a different perspective on India. I love to see India from Dawn's point of view. For me it is either Ndtv or Dawn.
JAWED
August 21, 2012 8:45 pm
NO YOU ARE WRONG ISLAM DID NOT SPREAD THROUGH SWORD BUT THROUGH ITS GLORIOUS MESSAGE OF PEACE AND HUMANITY. THE HOLY BOOK QURAN COMMANDS US "LA IKRAHA FID DEEN" , MEANING THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN FAITH. THIS VERSE OF QURAN FORBIDS FORCIBLE CONVERSIONS IN EVERY FORM. THOSE WHO WANT TO READ ABOUT FORCIBLE CONVERSIONS SHOULD READ ABOUT THE RASCALITY OF PORTUGESE CHRISTAIN CRUSADERS IN WHO FORCIBLY CONVERTED THE ENTIRE HINDU POPULATION OF THROUGH GOA THROUGH A PROCESS OF CONVERSION.
Jalal Khan
August 21, 2012 8:51 pm