-Illustration by Nadir Siddiqui/Dawn.com

Charlatans, quacks and scammers in Pakistan are not a new phenomenon. Witch doctors, black magic practitioners, and herbal healers have long been a part of society, offering ways to cure a disease, get revenge on your mother-in-law or to improve sexual prowess.

These days, however, classical physics is being brutally murdered on television in Pakistan, in front of millions, even if only a few of them care about Science. The laws of conservation of energy, the laws of thermodynamics, basic human intelligence and rationality have been brought to the guillotine. The sentence was carried out by a team of ‘engineers’ from Khairpur, talk show hosts, their production teams and unscientifically leaning ‘renowned scientists’ brought as expert commentators.

‘Engineer’ Agha Waqar and his team have invented the magic pill which will solve all the world’s – but first Pakistan’s energy problems. Lo, and behold, the ‘water kit’! It has already got the nod of approval from a few ministers, a ‘report’ of some sort is due in two weeks on it and the heads of the Pakistan Council of Scientific; and Industrial Research and Pakistan Science Foundation are believers too.

The ‘Engineer’ behind the revolution has already told us that like any patriot, he has refused huge monetary ‘offers’ from various countries (names thrown in for greater effect at times), that he has come to the public without securing any patent because he wants to use it for public good, that he surely feels threatened by the global oil and gas lobby, that he can modify that ‘water kit’ for use on all things (yes, railway engines included) and that revolution is ready to be commercialised. No peer reviewed journals, no scientific method – it works.

Ludicrous Claims

The ‘Engineer’ claimed the following about his revolutionary ‘water kit’: ?    An ordinary car cover a distance of 40km on a single liter of water ?    An ordinary motorcycle cover a distance of 150km on a single liter of water ?    A 1kVA generator can be run for upto 2 hours using a single liter of water (thereby producing, at ordinary power factors, ~1.5kW-h of energy)

Various conflicting claims made in between on three TV shows ranged from:

?    The ‘water kit’ can be used on any kind of water ?    Distilled or bottled water should be used ?    Electrolysis is done using the car battery ?    Electrolysis is done using a separate battery that can be recharged by the car’s alternator ?    Electrolysis takes up anywhere between 1 per cent to very little of the battery’s peak amperage and does not drain the battery ?    Electrolysis takes half the power that an ordinary car stereo takes ?    Electrodes used are capacitors separated by a dielectric ?    The ‘bubbler’ controls flow of gases ?    The modified ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) burns ‘HHO’ ?    The hydrogen produced from electrolysis can be stored and is produced at a rate good enough that constant production is not necessary and hence battery drain not an issue ?    The gas mixture used in the engine is called ‘HHO’ and is more efficient as a fuel than anything known to mankind ?    The combustion of hydrogen is twice as heat efficient as high octane gasoline and the car can reach a top speed twice that it would on gasoline ?    The car can reach it’s top speed on ‘water kit’ and is not held back like CNG

The cost of this revolution: Around Rs. 40,000 for a passenger car. He did not forget to mention that he had to take loans of around Rs 15 million to ‘develop’ the ‘water kit’.

As much as the ‘Engineer’ believed in his device, I believe most certainly that visible stupidity and the quackest of quack science do not necessitate rebuttals. If anyone were to suggest that he or she had found a radical cure to cancer or AIDS: the use of four strong punches on the affected portion with knuckles covered in rice paper, it would not require a scientific rebuttal. The Law of Conservation of Energy really cannot be challenged by a water filter with electrodes attached to a rubber tube. But since the ‘magar gaari toh chalti hai’ argument was being made again and again on TV, it seems like this does require some form of rebuttal.

Here are some quick comments on some of the claims made:

?    Can you run an internal combustion engine on hydrogen? Yes, you can modify an existing one to do so. ?    Can you run a car on hydrogen? Yes, you can. Hydrogen powered cars are even commercially produced now. But they are mostly hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, and not hydrogen ICE vehicles. ?    Can you run a car on hydrogen produced from electrolysis? Yes, you can. You can produce hydrogen from electrolysis and you can use it in an ICE to power a vehicle. ?    Is it efficient? Hell, no. Electrolysis is an extremely energy intensive process. Numerous efforts have been to radically improve the efficiency, but huge barriers remain.

As should be known to anyone with secondary school knowledge of chemistry, distilled water is not really conductive. Distilled water in fact has a conductivity of 1,000 to 10,000 times less than tap water. Also, electrodes are supposed to be good conductors, highly conductive metals. I have no idea where capacitors came from. Moreover, you will not find the term ‘HHO’ being used for a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gases, or the term ‘brown gas’ being used for it outside quack circles. It is used exclusively by the water-fuel, HHO mileage enhancer crowd. Just google the terms and you’ll see hundreds of ‘water kit’ likes and mileage enhancement attachments being sold by quacks all across the globe.

The central idea is to use electrolysis to produce Hydrogen to fuel the car, and hence the entire process is dependent on the efficiency of electrolysis. As should be known to anyone with middle school scientific knowledge, you cannot just break down water into components and get energy from combustion to reform them without any loss of energy. What was most amazing was that, the ‘Engineer’ was not just claiming 100 per cent efficiency, but reiterating that he was able to get ‘extra energy’ from the system (hidden in a secret vault by the water molecule and released only to those who believe in the power of the ‘water kit’?).

Energy from the magical pill

There are around 55.56 moles of water in one liter. A liter of water – 55.56 moles of H20 – would produce 55.56 moles of H2 and 55.56/2 moles of O2 during electrolysis. The energy released when water is reformed is 286 kJ/mol (aka the enthalpy of combustion) – assuming liquid water and not steam, which it would be in an engine, thereby reducing energy produced even further as 241 kJ/mol for that). For 55.56 moles, this means 15,890 kJ of energy is released.

When hydrogen (or ‘HHO’ as the ‘Engineer’ claimed) is spent in the engine – reforming H2O in the process, energy is released in the combustion process (covalent bonds are formed as atoms approach each other, lowering energy).

A car consuming 100 horsepower would require 100*745.7 Joules/second of energy. So a 100HP car would require 74570 Joules/second or 74.5 kJ/second of energy to power it. From our earlier figures, the energy from one liter of water could power a 100HP car for – given a 100 per cent efficiency electrolytic conversion and combustion – for a total of 213 seconds, or just about 3 minutes and 31 seconds. Not for 40km. I have ignored the altogether important requirements for minimum gas flow rate into the engine. These things simply cannot feed hungry engines with the amount of hydrogen required to run them. That is why hydrogen cars use liquid hydrogen filled from a filling station like gasoline, and not produce hydrogen from water inside a car. Also, water is an incompressible fluid (not perfectly, but very minimal compressibility). You can’t just store a large amount of it in a small tank.

I would at this moment like to state that even now I am not confident that car was still solely running on hydrogen produced from electrolysis. The math just does not add up. Surely the 0.75 liter bottle of war loaded into the ‘water kit’ could not have powered the car for the drives it took on TV. Or maybe there was residual hydrogen in the ‘tube’ that was lying in the back seat of the car.

After wasting energy on breaking down water into Hydrogen and Oxygen you could possibly – in real world and not the make-belief world of ‘water kit’ – power your car from a liter of water for maybe about half a minute. I would take even that figure with a huge pinch of salt. And remember, the battery will have to be recharged for the energy spent in electrolysis.

To break down liquid water into it’s components using electrolysis requires 237.2 kJ/mol in the form of electricity and 48.6 kJ/mol in the form of added heat. For a liter of water, this would require 131,79 kJ from electric power plus added heat (again, 100 per cent efficiency). This means 3.66 kW-h of electricity (cost of electricity from the grid in Pakistan is ~ Rs 9/kW-h these days for comparison). A 12V, 50A-h battery can only manage 600W-h or 0.6kW-h, not 3.66kW-h in anyway.

A hint of caution: Use of pure Oxygen in an ICE is itself dangerous, as Oxygen being highly reactive can fire up low ignition temperature lubricants and other materials deposited in the pathway. Enriched oxygen can increase efficiency by a small factor on itself in ICEs and ICEs for hydrogen use an air mixture.

‘Engineer’ Waqar’s “trade secret” as he said on TV was being able to produce an amount of Hydrogen necessary to run an engine from water which nobody had done before as they had not done their calculations (paraphrasing translation of his words on Dunya TV’s ‘Kyun’). With ‘extra energy’.

Towards the second appearance on Hamid Mir’s show, a head-shaking and visibly angry (at the public promotion of scientific illiteracy) Dr. Ata explained to the show’s host and guests that hydrogen is commercially produced mostly from natural gas (through the process of hydrocarbon steam reforming) and only a very small percentage is produced from the electrolysis of water (this method is 3 to 10 times more expensive than steam reforming). Upon hearing this, the ‘Engineer’ first laid upon Dr. Ata a revelation that the chemical formula of water is H2O (Nobel Prize in Chemistry!), and before he could give us more gems, the host interrupted because this was a ‘technical behis’ (technical argument). If a scientific argument wasn’t the whole point of the show, then you’d wonder what it was?

Unscientific Scientists

The saddest part of the saga is not that the production teams from television channels were fooled or holier than thou talk show hosts were fooled or that even a few politicians were fooled but that the Chairman of the country’s biggest scientific research organisation sat there and had brought a few Google search results not to say that the idea is ludicrous and basic Physics shouldn’t be made fun of on television like this but to say that the idea was not but new and it has already been done (the water powered car scam is decades old with numerous fraudsters sent behind bars for financial fraud in various countries).

But it wasn’t just the PCSIR Chairman. The ‘water kit’ was earlier presented to the country’s apex scientific research funding organisation – Pakistan Science Foundation – and somehow it got a seal of approval from them. It is to get ‘support’ from the public kitty as well. As per ‘Engineer’ Waqar (on Dunya TV), he apparently gave a presentation to the PAEC  (Why?). The PAEC has had Jinn energy experts before. A presentation was given at the Pakistan Engineering Council as well, where apparently no objections were raised on the cruelty shown towards basic Physics.

Then there was the Mohsin-e-Pakistan, who vociferously supported the idea on television, suggested it was practical, even when the ‘Engineer’ was busy telling us that the laws of thermodynamics can be altered and that experimentation precedes theory always. The Mohsin-e-Pakistan was asked for his opinion because he’s a ‘renowned scientist’. Not that he’s more renown for proliferation of centrifuges, he’s actually a metallurgist and not a nuclear physicist like he’s usually mentioned in the media.

All this while, poor Dr Ata-ur-Rehman (himself of HAARP conspiracy fame though) could be seen helplessly trying to talk sense into the host but his efforts were in vain. The host believed – most vehemently – that he was giving necessary coverage to a magic pill required to solve all problems.

On another show, Samar Mubarikmand (of one terawatts from Thar Coal fame – notwithstanding money already spent on UCG without much results) was supportive of the idea and seemed enthusiastic about it, just suggesting that there are safety concerns, but not feasibility ones. The Chairman of the PSF addressed a press conference with the ‘Engineer’ who wants to sue Dr. Ata for defamation. Even the military sent two officials to meet Agha Waqar (‘Water Kit’ powered Al-Khalid?). There aren’t enough tears in the world that can be shed on such a state of science, and the respect for it. Meanwhile, Hamid Mir, Arshad Sharif and Talat Hussain had become free energy suppression conspiracy theory activists and perpetual motion machine believers.

Radical ‘Water Kit’ Science

The only logical conclusion of the ‘water fuel’ saga can be that nuclear fusion takes place inside the engine, thereby producing the missing energy required to run a car from an on-board water tank using electrolysis. With that, ‘Engineer’ Waqar & Co. would have proven cold fusion as well.

When I was a kid, the national daily Nawa-e-Waqt ran a story in it’s Sunday magazine that an ‘inventor’ from Faisalabad had designed a car that ran on  - not water, not air - but kashish-e-saqqal. Yes, a car that ran on gravity! To this day, I wonder if the said car just rolled downhill.

As Abdus Salam’s tombstone is edited by a District Magistrate’s orders and his existence removed from collective memory, we can celebrate ‘Engineer’ Waqar Ahmed who has done something more important than contributing immensely to the standard model of particle physics: destroyed the laws of thermodynamics and the law of conservation of energy.

The good thing is science doesn’t need protection from Pakistani scammers, junk inventors  and rabid media. It is evidence based. It involves rigorous testing. It is replicable. It does not work on ‘chalti to hai’ arguments and hyperventilating appeals made from talk show hosts.

As the world discusses the economics of a hydrogen economy, how to store and transport it safely, and how to use it effectively, Pakistan is busy with the ‘water kit’. Meanwhile in India, a string theorist just landed the newly inaugurated Yuri Milner Fundamental Physics Prize. The prize money? $3 million. Ashoke Sen can buy a couple million ‘water kits’ from that. But surely, he’s wiser than that.

 


The writer would like to be known as a professional skeptic.


The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.

Updated Aug 03, 2012 12:27pm

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Tariq
Aug 03, 2012 05:38pm
I don't know what depresses me more. The fact that such obvious quackery is being openly promoted on Pakistani airwaves, or the comments by some readers that it is no big deal. The talk show industry in Pakistan has now reached the absolute bottom. Hopefully this latest stunt will cause people to start questioning the motives and judgements of these "kings of the air waves", so when they tell us who to vote for in the next election, we all should consider the source.
@hasanarshad_
Aug 03, 2012 05:21pm
I agree with everything in the topic, nice pawnage to the illiterate masses of Pakistan, except Dr Ata has no noble price
Patrick
Aug 03, 2012 06:18pm
I use an hho system an it gives me 15 to 20 percent better mileage. I thought I would try it out for fun. Now I am going to install them in 3 more cars. I guess I am one of those quacks but I save alot in gas money.
Shahzad Salam Kasi
Aug 03, 2012 06:09pm
Agreed with you. But i also agree the assumption on Sameer, regarding the comparison of so called National Hero (AQ Khan) and forgotten genius Dr. Abdus Salam
Shahzad Salam Kasi
Aug 03, 2012 06:12pm
In Pakistan, we really dont know what actually Research is and how inventions are made and proved. We only believe on so called Media Anchors and left over Scientists to lead a nation of fools, who believe on short cuts rather than hard work.
Amir
Aug 03, 2012 06:16pm
Whether Agha Waqar is paid or not, I have an idea that such writers are certainly paid by oil and gas lobby. The inventor is right or wrong it is an another issue but we know one thing that everyone go through this research had a bad ending. So I request to all my brothers and sisters who are really good idea about this science should search about this that how he is doing such thing rather than just playing a role to defame him. When such thing will confuse the people then one day we will be hearing that Agha waqar is jailed for fraud and then such writers will say "didn't I told you". We agree that theory is not this, but question is how is he doing such things. Dont call it fraud unless you have proof to justify it.
Nadir
Aug 03, 2012 06:47pm
Yes.
Abdul Jakir
Aug 03, 2012 05:51pm
Nothing is impossible in Pakistan. When we were able to create monsters who prove their worth in Karachi streets, Pak-Afghan borders day and night, why doubt about our Nobel Prize eligible water scientists.
Ali
Aug 03, 2012 05:40pm
You beat me to it. I was writing it but then dawn will mostly not publish such letters which refutes others (powerful) claims. Thank you for writing this and could someone please help the country avoid wastage of the money allocated?
Tariq
Aug 03, 2012 06:39pm
This is what the "water kit" consists of - two facing stainless steel plates 100x100mm, 4mm apart, one -ve and the other +ve charged from the car battery to form the "capacitor". All housed in a airtight container containing electrolyte solution which promotes conductivity. Any gas (browns gas/hydroxy) that is generated is fed into the air intake of the diesel or petrol ICE unit. It does generate Hydrogen gas to supplement the fossil fuel but enough to power a small engine alone. This invention has been around since the 1800's and Engineer’ Agha Waqar to claim credit for and our "quack" scientists' to sanction this is ludicrous. It's a case of cripple leading the blind.
Patriot
Aug 03, 2012 06:36pm
Please stop considering this scam-mist Agha Waqar as an Engineer. At the most he can be a technician. Any mechanical engineer study the laws of thermodynamics at the very onset of their engineering. If he was an engineer he would have tried to prove his theory. A person deep into knowledge should have certain kind of technical argument. I saw the program and for me he doesn't approve that level
Critical_Thinker
Aug 03, 2012 05:58pm
Perfectly possible indeed... just like, as NFP wrote, carpets to fly... or angels to help pious navigate a veiled car... or camels to be the rockets to the moon... I do admire writer's passion for science and understand his utter frustration. If Pakistanis don't like them please send him to India along with NFP.
Najeeb
Aug 03, 2012 05:26pm
yes
Faizaan
Aug 03, 2012 05:27pm
And Engineer Waqar is surely a Messiah sent from the heavens to do it for us!
Mahmud
Aug 03, 2012 01:55pm
Bottom line is that this kit works and we have all seen the demonstration. It is correct that Mr Waqar has been unable to explain the process for a scientist to understand. Regardless, one can not argue with something that works. It is also correct that it is not something new. Go on youtube and you'll see dozens of people claiming the same thing. Some have been running their cars on HHO for years. I personally think that this process works but at the cost of battery and alternator life. Why is he trying this on rental cars?? I saw one successful video demonstration where they installed an oversized alternator to compensate for extra current demand. Another thing is that Mr Waqar is claiming that he does not use any electrolyte in the water. That is hard to swallow.
Fakhar
Aug 03, 2012 05:37pm
It is impossible in the physics world. Metaphysics is another area. By the way a human being was created long time back from clay, Why we have not be able to repeat the feat since then (Ask women they will love to have it done the 'clay way'). Let us leave out things in the preview of God Almighty from purely scientific (sic) discussion.
Atheoi
Aug 03, 2012 05:37pm
Problem is not that this quack will fade away problem is that these things show how low this countries collective scientific knowledge is. When your so called top scientists and engineers start debating such worthless quacks and show their ignorace of very basic science. Keep believing on "Kun Fayakoon". Science is just a distraction.
Sameer Awan
Aug 03, 2012 01:03pm
I agree with this article. In Europe that is why it is said that it is better to hire a Technician from Europe rather than an Engineer from Pakistan. This is the consequence of Engineering university in every nook and corner of the country without any Proper Faculty and research and interestingly Pakistan has the least number of Papers in IEEE and in Any other engineering Journals or in Scientific Journals of the world and still we say we are the best?????. The country where Metallurgical engineers Like AQ Khan are considered real Scientists and real Scientists like Dr Abdus Salam are considered fakes what actually can we expect from that country then!!!
krishnan
Aug 04, 2012 06:28am
I think NFP forgot to add this discovery in his recent article.Only water blessed by Dr Maya Khanum or Dr Zaid can make this engine work as it then produces a lot of "gas" ,which can replace Hydrogen.
Guest
Aug 03, 2012 04:26pm
Perhaps you need the 'God Particle' in your hand to play God to create humans from lump of clay. Don't speak your whims please!... Agha is not GOD but human. So lets come back to our domain of discussion. lol
Guest
Aug 03, 2012 04:24pm
FYI Mr. Agha is from hitherto unknown school of engineering!
Muazzam Siddiqui
Aug 03, 2012 04:19pm
Here in US, cars with carburetors running on water, welding machines with flames produced by water are being sold online and sometimes on late night informercials. You know what they say about fools and their money. These cars that magically run on water are being peddled in the media here for about 50 years now. Anyone with basic sceintific knowledge will just laugh at these quacks and move on. Only in Pakistan they will get such media coverage .... amazing!!
Abdul
Aug 03, 2012 04:04pm
they cant understand that science is based on facts and if its a real fact than no one gonna deny it, in science there are no shortcuts ..
tarun
Aug 05, 2012 09:14am
@anshu: where the hell did u bring ashoka sen into conversation?
Nauman
Aug 03, 2012 01:29pm
Sorry Sameer but you are quite frustrated. May be you don't trust your skills but you can not generalize to the whole Pakistani talent. Also you can not abuse the whole engineering talent based on one incident.
Zee
Aug 03, 2012 01:47pm
Yup. Except the author and everyone who remembers sixth grade science.
Nauman
Aug 03, 2012 01:27pm
I think fair enough. It will take few more days for this to settle. I believe in one thing, and that is that science rules change as more inventions are made. If this is fake, this will go away.
Harish Bansal
Aug 05, 2012 09:03am
Too Good.
Ahmed
Aug 04, 2012 12:41pm
Nice comment.. like that
adil
Aug 04, 2012 10:53am
and you have seen that the car was not getting energy from anything else like gasolene or car battery or some other thing? wake up...its 2012
annas
Aug 04, 2012 10:52am
It is so unfortunate that this incident too happened in Pakistan.
Naeem
Aug 04, 2012 10:41am
Thank God A voice of reason, finally..!! Thumbs up for a well-written and much-needed article. I will do my part to spread this on internet. Jazakallah..!!
Irfan Husain
Aug 04, 2012 10:12am
In place of scientists, we have fraudsters. The whole scam shows us just where we are in the world of science. I wonder if the media and the scientific committee will apologise for their gullibility when 'Engineer' Waqar is exposed?
sami
Aug 03, 2012 03:43pm
nice article really like it but still i'm not convince as i'm not sci person, please don't take as offense, i have few question if some one answer me, i prefer author. 1. How much 0.75 litter water can produce the power(HHO) gas (which power the engine)? and can it power car upto 30km. 2. Can this engine (cultus engine) run on HHO. 3. I was listening to him other day, Agha waqar said, he's using some kind of cheap catalyst bez of that it take less energy. Is that possible?
Engineer
Aug 03, 2012 03:28pm
He is not an engineer anyway!!!
Vineeth
Aug 03, 2012 03:21pm
Reminds me of a similar incident in India in 1996 involving Ramar Pillai , when he claimed that he had invented a method to create 'herbal petrol'. The tall claims caught the country's attention for a brief period, until his fraud was exposed. This, and the coverage in mainstream media of the phenomena of Ganesha idols 'drinking' milk around the same period, reminds me that things are not rosy on this side of the border either.
Haseena
Aug 03, 2012 03:21pm
So sad to read your narrow minded views. If he has offered to bring your car and he can make it run with his kit in front of you, then what is the problem; let him prove and it will clarify where he stands. I don't know why people are spending days researching, science manuals and not spend half a day with the engineer and see it for themselves.
Fakhar
Aug 03, 2012 03:23pm
At last somebody has started talking some sense. I donot blame Mr. Agha, he is not a formally trained engineer or a scientist. It is the rest of so called scientist and engineers who are even willing to consider the possibility. Just shows how poor our basic and how weak our education system is. Dear Shahid thankyou for saving the world as we know it.
Rashid M
Aug 03, 2012 03:13pm
What non-sense. What did they say specially Talat, all along he was trying to determine the credibility and you who probably has not achieved anything in life can easly say thta he was paid. Shame on you.
Salim K
Aug 03, 2012 03:08pm
Waqar is great scientist, he thinks out of the box and proved that existing laws are invalid. Its time for a change, its time for free energy.
Imran Malik
Aug 03, 2012 03:03pm
PS. Mr. Waqar Azeem is not Engineer, he is just diploma holder.
Abdullah Khan
Aug 03, 2012 03:00pm
Another conspiracy theory let the quacks celebrate the super engineering ! and "chalti to hai" thing. Very good piece.
aamer
Aug 03, 2012 02:59pm
Thanks for writing it as it is.
Riasat Ali
Aug 03, 2012 02:45pm
More shocking was the undue support from Dr. A.Q. Khan. Idea of "Water Kit" is to fade away today or tomorrow. Worse thing is the public exhibition of Dr. A. Q. Khan's scientific know how. I completely lost respect for him.
Saqib
Aug 03, 2012 01:43pm
Here comes another conspiracy theory !!!
Ixion
Aug 03, 2012 02:44pm
Lets take a breath here and not jump to conclusions. When Marshall and Warren, the Australian scientists, claimed in 1982 that stomach ulcer was caused by bacteria (Helicobacter pylori), even top scientists scoffed at them. Both Australians ended up wining Nobel prize in 2005. Hence, a note of caution to Drs. Atta and Pervaiz, who are more politicians than scientists. I tell my students not to be dogmatic and leave a wiggle room when it comes to science because the dogma may come back to bite them. The issue that I have with Agha's 'water-kit' is that the idea of HHO gas (oxyhydrogen) to run an engine dates back to the 60s, while the water-kit itself is already available for sale in the US by private sellers. Just google and learn the pros and cons of HHO!
kanwal
Aug 03, 2012 02:34pm
Oh dear. I just wish this saga does nt get noticed by the editors of Nature or Science. What a shame it would be.
Cynical
Aug 03, 2012 12:40pm
While this water kit claim is certainly balderdash, it doesn't reside in the realm of impossibilty. If it is possible to create human beings from a lump of clay, then it is perfectly possible for cars to run on water. Amen.
Hasanalirana
Aug 03, 2012 12:51pm
we need to stop groping for short cuts, The Scientific achievements are based on decades of hard work and investment. The irony is the fact that "Agha waqar" was given undue space in media and nation was betrayed. Scientists were also somewhat supporting him (expect Dr. Atta-ur-rehman and Dr. pervaiz Hoodbhoy). why we believe that one day A Messiah (Government official, political leader or scientist) will come and our centuries old vicious problems will be solved. We really need to think about developing institutions rather than bowing in-front of personalities.
Faraz
Aug 03, 2012 02:13pm
Fantastic write up! You should write a regular column exposing these quacks and charlatans. Maybe next yeou can expose the countless charlatans who claim to be IT experts after getting passing marks on almost worthless technology certification exams.
raika45
Aug 03, 2012 02:10pm
You should send this inventor to meet one who some years ago fooled the government of India that boiling some special leaves in water can produce petrol.IIT students proved the fraud.I am sure he must be out of jail now.
Shoaib
Aug 03, 2012 01:49pm
Well science does not justify a lot of things. I would also note that Pervez Hoodbhoy and Attaur RAhman are theorists and teachers of science but they have not developed any thing real. There is nothing new Engineer is claiming. All he has done is to use some available technologies to produce enough power that can prolong the life of a battery. This experiment will take time to scale up and that is the process of further research and production. What Mr Agha has today is just a concept and and he should be commended to come up with this solution. Let's get some good engineers to work with him to take this concept further. Western nations got ahead 300 years ago because their skeptics did not manage to shun the voices of curiosity.
Sujjawal K Barlaas
Aug 03, 2012 12:53pm
Waqar is just a canning man trying to fool people and gain publicity. Hamid Mir, Arshad Sharif and Talat hussain are helping him because he probably paid them.
Jari
Aug 03, 2012 01:22pm
Wow, how ignorant people are along with media. The same is case of mullah who are selling ignorance and people are buying it. This is called going from lightness to darkness.
Indian
Aug 03, 2012 01:48pm
It is said faith can move mountains!! What is a lowly car!!! And what with all this formality of science-wince Amen.
sher khan
Aug 03, 2012 01:48pm
if the whole country can run on dua then why cant a car run on water??? Excellent logic.
Pinku
Aug 03, 2012 01:49pm
Is water Halal? Is science Halal?
fika77
Aug 03, 2012 01:09pm
I saw couple of programs regarding this issue. Not sure whether kit will work or not nor I am a scientist but it was a relief to see something different than political dramas held everyday on our screens. Don't worry whether science is tempered with it or not. True knowledge/science cannot be tempered. If water kit inventor is a quack, he'll fade away. It is not a big deal.
raza
Aug 03, 2012 01:06pm
So everybody has gone crazy, except the author?
Essjay
Aug 03, 2012 01:07pm
I do admire the author's stamina to write such a lengthy piece about something when all that the episode desrved as a response was a LAUGH! In a population where millions believe, sincerely, that all the science that there can be is contained in a book written thousand years ago, such "engineers" and TV hosts will never cease to exist. In the city of the blind, "chaupat" will be the King.
Shahab Ahmad
Aug 03, 2012 06:59pm
ala sashuuuu :)
Dr Imran Ahmed
Aug 03, 2012 07:08pm
Quite right. Logic does not have to be popular and there always have been more fools than smart people. The magnitude of the ratio astounds me as an overwhelming majority of people here appear irrational.
Guest
Aug 03, 2012 07:25pm
Don't forget that babies are born from a blood clot.
Eddyed
Aug 03, 2012 07:27pm
"If it is possible to create human beings from a lump of clay, then it is perfectly possible for cars to run on water." I hope you are aware that creating human beings from a lump of clay is done by a Supreme power and not by some quack engineer claiming to run a car with water. So No it is not "perfectly possible" for cars to run on water.
rizwan karim
Aug 03, 2012 07:31pm
very well summarised, As a nation, we have gone crazy always looking for miracles. If Dr. Qadeer is our hero then Mr waqar could be one too. The story has exposed our great scientists (except for Dr. Atta, Dr Hood etc).
Muneeeb
Aug 03, 2012 07:31pm
It took a while to catch Double Shah ( the notorious Ponzi guy for Wazirabad) . I hope Mr Agha Waqar gets caught soon i.e before he runs away with millions of rupees. I saw the part (on TV) where Mr Agha was telling Dr Atta (Dr Atta has a D.phil in Chemistry from Cambridge) about H20 being water and somehow he is able to acquire hydrogen not from his behind, but from H20 (yes he is able to break the bond between to two elements, Oxygen and Hydrogen). How does he do that ? He says that the car runs, therefore it must be running on my water kit. He also says that doesn't blow up and run on water. WOW !! Sorry I left my intellect at home ? wait a minute. Did he just say that the car runs on water. Isn't that a paradigm shift ? No its more like LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE !! On a rather serious note, Mr Agha is needs to be sent back to Engineering school, if he can pass the entrance exam (which I highly doubt that he could)
shafiquk
Aug 03, 2012 07:31pm
For a non scientist like me just wait and see is better than accusing or admiring this idea. Our pre-pre-mature media has habit of finding a premature sensation (mostly nonsense) to get more audience.
senojjones MD, PHD
Aug 03, 2012 07:34pm
Right up there with "Easy Water", a commercially available device to stop calcium deposits. The problem is that as we care less and less about "Science" we become victims. You can also add most of the herbal medications, Homeopathy, cancer clinics in Mexico and Herbal weight loss products. Total garbage.
nabeel
Aug 03, 2012 07:48pm
may be Mr Agha couldn't explain whats happening inside water kit..or he dont wanto disclose it!! we all have seen..he drove the car!!!
Ishtiaq
Aug 05, 2012 09:35am
Why are you all jealous? Do you not want to have another Nobel Laureate from Pakistan, whose invention will benefit each one of you. Never mind laws of thermodynamics and impossibility of inventing a perpetual machine. Cheer up guys! Believe what the great scientists Dr A Q Khan and Samar Mubarakband say! Forget about the skeptics like Dr Atta and Hudbhoy. Long live Dr Agha Waqar who now stand rank and file with the likes of Drs. AQ Khan and Samar.
zain
Aug 03, 2012 07:54pm
what is all this fuss about proving this guy wrong?? If he's wrong about his "water kit", then surely he can't commercialize it either.. why every one have taken out all the knives and forks before even seeing the dinner??
Muhammad Umer Karim
Aug 03, 2012 08:09pm
which car runs on 100 HP, you are sure, suzuki cultus Agha Waqar ran was 100 HP,
Kahani
Aug 03, 2012 08:23pm
He is indeed frustrated, as he is mixing up research work with day to day engineering, which is normally the implementation of successful research work. The typical apologists,who manage some how to get into European Universities, first time ever in life they come to know what a bloody research paper is, manage to publish a few of them in ages, and then start bashing the very schools and universities back home which taught them how write their names correctly.(BTW, I am myself a European University graduate)
Ali
Aug 03, 2012 08:25pm
The saddest part of the whole story is the response of our renowned scientists who even couldn't explain the very basic laws of thermodynamics to deny the rubbish claim of "water Kit" by Engineer Agha Khan.
shahid Ali
Aug 03, 2012 08:26pm
author could not justify what he wanted to say. the author must encourage Agha Wakar Pathan. he is the only person in pakistan who can solve this energy crisis in our country. We all pakistani salute Engineer / Scientist Agha Wakar and author must do.
Aasif
Aug 03, 2012 08:35pm
It all could be digested from anchors but what the hell is wrong with these Doctors Qadeer, Samar Mubarak Mand and the one chairing the engineering council, this tell us very well where from atomic technology of Pakistan came. Damn it
redditor
Aug 03, 2012 08:54pm
"In the city of the blind Kana will be the king." FTFY Just for my knowledge what thousand year old book are you referring to?
khurram shahzad
Aug 03, 2012 08:58pm
hhhmmm.... everything is possible my friend...if we see history,w"ll conclude that "laws" and "theories" change/modify with time.... and i believe laws of thermodynamics....let see what happen with this "water kit"
Jayman
Aug 05, 2012 08:20am
Actually the "water kit" cannot power the car. Here's why. 1. Water is poured into the engine. 2. Water is split into Hydrogen and Oxygen. 3. Hydrogen combusts in the car. 4. The water douses the combustion. 5. The car goes nowhere .
Sagar Sohail
Aug 03, 2012 09:26pm
Well, this guy would do good if he explains his 'invention' via religion rather than science!
Asif Ansari
Aug 03, 2012 09:41pm
I totally agree with Mr. Shahid Saeed. If the magical water kit is invented by so called scientist. So what get start the cars, railway engine and so on. We Pakistani do not try to think, The Media too does not think and goes on creating a flood in the null space.
Irfan Mehmood
Aug 03, 2012 09:47pm
A frustrated Nation still prying for water kit..... A nation like a person lost in desert and see mirage.
BRR
Aug 03, 2012 09:59pm
people often want something for nothing. be prepared for dark energy based ICE next.
@Hassaan_Mustafa
Aug 03, 2012 10:07pm
Nothing surprising here. A nation that loves to find quick fixes to all its problems will believe anything and anyone who comes up with a "solution" for its woes. Let us all have a moment of silence for our collective rationale. It has long been dead but we still like to trample it under our feet from time to time.
Ixion
Aug 03, 2012 10:26pm
I tried to post a comment before but it seems that DAWN doesn't have the stomach for alternate views. Please, keep an open mind and check the following sites to make your own judgement call whether these are scams or if the DAWN's blogger is jumping the gun: 1. http://tophhogascar.com/ 2. http://runautowithwater.com/index.php 3. http://hho-booster.info/?hop=yatz123 There have been many instances in science where ideas have been called 'bad science', but have later come back to bite the skeptics.
zahid Baloch
Aug 03, 2012 10:30pm
Oh My God,finally a voice of reason. What I have seen in past week or so I thought I will NEVER see on TV. Bunch of enemies of common sense like the good "Engineer".
Adnan
Aug 03, 2012 10:55pm
Excellent article.
Anshu
Aug 03, 2012 11:08pm
thanks for the article. I am ashamed to say that I did not know about Ashoke Sen. And kudos to you for giving a pure empirical analysis of the claimed invention rather than just saying it "absurd" or "impractical".
Muhammad Ali
Aug 04, 2012 06:34am
Stop searching 'Paras Stone'. Add years of hard work to silicon and you your efforts can bring its price above gold.
usman azhar
Aug 04, 2012 12:05am
hes from a polytech (diploma) institute :P
ismail sherani
Aug 04, 2012 12:24am
great job!
uthmanmalik
Aug 04, 2012 01:27am
Thank you for this detailed article. To be honest this Engg Agha is no body for me and I will even forget about him in next few days, but what our esteemed-Scientist Dr AQ Khan has said will remain itched in my brain forever. Is this the scientist we are supposed to be respecting so much? I guess Mushi put a gag order on him for nothing but to keep the honour of Pakistan intact by not letting him blabber so much ignorance. And since we are on it, did you guys miss how AQ Khan was actually taking cheap shots at SM Mubarak every few minutes on the Capital talk?
Ashfaq
Aug 04, 2012 01:47am
Excellent rebuttal; this is the kind of analysis expected from a real engineer. But the bright side of this whole episode is that it exposes the truth about fake scientist who brought nothing but misery to our nation.
WMSethi
Aug 04, 2012 02:31am
Having seen a couple of videos, I think the whole confusion is generated by the fact that none of supporters of this fake 'engineer' is taking into account the energy supplied by the battery. Mind you, the battery is NOT being recharged by the 'water kit' engine's alternator. Because in the present universe it is utterly impossible to generate more energy than is being consumed. The whole tamasha is a sorry commentary on the country that has lost all hope and is now living on improbable dreams and the effect of dua and recitation.
NASAH (USA)
Aug 04, 2012 03:00am
How about a car that runs on nuclear fuel -- for the love of nukes in Pakistan? Will surely save lot of gas!
Karim
Aug 04, 2012 03:00am
Pakistani awam doesn't use their God-given minds anyway so Agha Waqar would succeed in a place like Pakistan.
m.y.saleem
Aug 04, 2012 03:16am
i fully agree with the details mentioned in this article.theoretically the car can run on this system but it is not practical or otherwise. the liquid hydrogen cars are already used in california usa.the station has its own electrolosis plant which produces hydogen from water.again you have to spend energy for producing hydrogen. our engineering council is a polytical body rather professional body.
Abdul K.
Aug 04, 2012 03:35am
I need that lump of clay, I want to combine that water kit with this lump of clay in my lab....
techie
Aug 04, 2012 03:58am
which book are you referring to...Quran? if yes than i never met one muslim who believe in anything like that
@AliFarazHaque
Aug 04, 2012 04:21am
This just in... NASA asks Engineer Agha Waqar Khan to install his "water kit" in their latest space shuttle "Lunatic." In other news "Hamid Mir, Talat Hussain and Duniya News win international acclaim for their services to Physics" "Albert Einstein, Issac Newton, Carnot and Kelvin rolled over in their graves"
Cyrus Howell
Aug 04, 2012 04:47am
The TV media are easily taken in. They want "ratings." They are paid to spread manure.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 04, 2012 04:56am
"...he was able to get ‘extra energy’ from the system (hidden in a secret vault by the water molecule and released only to those who believe in the power of the ‘water Jinn'. Caveat: If you don't believe it won't work. You must believe in order to spend your money. Addendum: If you do buy my kit and find a way to make this work - Let - Me - Know.
nav
Aug 04, 2012 04:57am
to me this author needs to take a break, maybe have a holiday because he sounds like he's having a breakdown.......the point is lets just see what the guy has designed first before we get carried away with biased reporting.....the rules of physics have constantly changed over the years, hence half the world now believes in a "god particle" which in reality only gives particle mass, so be a bit patient and you will find out in a few months what the truth may be.............written by a biomedical scientist
khalil
Aug 04, 2012 05:02am
According to the author everyone is mad including Dr. A.Q Khan, Samarmand, and PSF and others. Bravo for the useless article and trying to prove everyone as an idiot. I fear this is an article by Pervaiz Hoodbhai a well know anti Pakistan person.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 04, 2012 05:05am
It is not possible to create humans from a lump of clay. Dr. Frankenstein tried that and failed. Do all you children believe in fairy dust ? Raise your hands. Do all of you believe in an internal combustion engine without combustion? Say Amen.
viju
Aug 04, 2012 05:08am
@Shahid Reminds me of "Herbal petrol" which was "discovered" by Mr. Ramar Pillay in Chennai a few years back. Believe it or not many politicians fell for the con job and paid enormous amount of money to own the "secret" In fact this herbal petrol was sold in the market!!!!!!! which was nothing but a mixture of organic chemicals. Fortunately the bluff was discovered by the Chennai IIT professors and ramar pillay was jailed.
khalil
Aug 04, 2012 05:14am
Agree with Cynical. Nothing is impossible. Many times science does not work but logic works..
Cyrus Howell
Aug 04, 2012 05:29am
He can modify that ‘water kit’ for use on ALL THINGS. Blocks of common stock available at 1 - 800 - GET - WISE Have your credit card ready. Dewey, Cheatum & Howe Tampa Florida.
Adnan Latif
Aug 04, 2012 05:48am
Water fuel is generating extra energy from no where, which is impossible. Pakistan is desperately short of energy and people don't see a solution to the problem. The above really shows the state of energy crisis in this country that fraudsters got so much publicity. We need to accept that there is no miracle cure to the energy crisis. Big oil companies are bad, however this water fuel is really ridiculous. This is hilarious actually. This invention is rubbish and Pakistani press needs to do some background work rather than just generating sensational news.
stud
Aug 04, 2012 06:05am
Hats off to you for elaborating the scientific details behind so called water fuelled car. Being an engineer myself, I was amused to see such quacks getting so much publicity. Great analysis
Tariq
Aug 04, 2012 06:18am
water broken into hydrogen and oxygen; went inside the combustion chamber to ignite; after ignition it becomes water again; if we bring this water from exhaust pipe of the car back into the tank of the car then we dont even have to buy the water. Isnt it amazing. A car which runs for free; well almost free; you only need to buy the first litre at the purchase of the car; and reclaim the same water back from the exhaust pipe of car into the water tank. VIOLA.... what are u thinking ... I just made a revolutionary discovery here... A perpetual motion machine ... dreamed by NEWTON ... and me ... but never existed in the realm ... other than a dream ... Allah key bando Ramadan pey tawaja do ...
riza
Aug 04, 2012 06:38am
It is really strange that there is no presented design of the claimed "magical" kit. No proper theoretical explanation nor any drawings and data to elaborate the system. allright, media is after cheap publicity, but I am just wondering about the scientists/engineers supporting this "invention"; are they have lost their sanity or they themselves belong to the category of inventor.
Cynical
Aug 05, 2012 10:25am
Everyone knows the book he has reffered to, but nobody would dare to name it. Discretion is the better part of valour.
Ali Bloch
Aug 04, 2012 07:34am
sad very sad, i consider Mr Waqar has done a very significance research, i proud of him. but what has done our scientists like Dr AttauRahman andhoodbhy?! we should appreciate the great person like agh Waqar, Govt should encourage his work.
Mushtaq Ahmed
Aug 04, 2012 07:41am
The water kit has achieved at least one milestone, it has publicly separated scientists from non scientists Many attempts have been made on perpetual moving machines, but here so many scientists are endorsing a non scientific concept. It is great tragedy My dear Pakistani fellows, work cannot be done without energy and energy has cost to pay which here many are not willing to do.
Luvai
Aug 04, 2012 08:35am
zindabad !!! sher khan saheb aap ne masalay ke bilkul sahee jawab likha hai...too good.
harry Khan
Aug 04, 2012 09:14am
You need to go back to school Mr Baluch and start again from ABCD....
Jarrar
Aug 04, 2012 09:14am
Ha Ha Ha .....
Jarrar
Aug 04, 2012 09:16am
LOL
harry Khan
Aug 04, 2012 09:19am
No rocket science, one can simply gauge the nation's talent from Olympic performence, 180 million people NO Medal.
deamonlord
Aug 04, 2012 09:52am
very nicely written! I wrote an article on the same topic but it is not nearly as good as this one. Great work!
Harry
Aug 04, 2012 03:04pm
I second what Kahani has said. (Alhamdulillah) I myself am a PhD holder from a UK university. I did teaching in Pakistan as well as I am doing it here now in UK. And I can safely assure you the fact that the engineers produced in Pakistan are not less in any manner from the ones being produced here in UK. Let's shun our inferiority complex and move on. P.S. in no way I am supporting Agha or his endorsers who proved to be utter shame for our engineering fraternity.
Muhammad Shoaib Akif
Aug 04, 2012 03:07pm
There is a big difference between a theory and a law just as between reason and a belief. We can question a theory but not a fundamental law of science. All the inventions and discoveries, except that of God, were, and will be, based on a scientific law. What we need desperately now is that we must make compulsory the study of fundamental laws of science instead of Pak. Study and probe into the belief that we have devised, on our own, a functional nuclear device as we claim to have demonstrated in May, 1998. The 'father of the bomb' Abdul Qadeer Khan, sides with the pseudocience on marketing media with other hungry pseudo scientists.
hikmat
Aug 04, 2012 05:22pm
me too
hikmat
Aug 04, 2012 05:25pm
i do not think Agha will go to jail,though a fit place for him .Dunia news and some of our anchors will term it as a great national loss
hikmat
Aug 04, 2012 05:31pm
agreed
Asim Sohail
Aug 04, 2012 06:25pm
@ Author, Good work but i have intense objection that you used the word engineer for this man (Agha). A man who don’t have fundamental understanding of science, engineering & mathematics does even qualify to claim E of engineer? If a donkey is using a Mercedes tag then it doesn’t mean that all Mercedes are donkey. Any educated person should be able to differentiate between an Engineer and a juggler using name Engineer. To run a 35kW cultus engine to 40km you would need approx 700gm, but Agha sb is using just a liter of water (means 110gm of hydrogen) Astonishing. I think some one has told Agha sb that calorific value of H2 is three times of CNG or Gasoline approx but no one has told him that H2 has 7.5 times less density than CNG so you need modification in engine i.e positive displacement turbo chargers to send pressurized H2 in engine chamber to get required mass at high density, means you cant use natural aspiration. Also this modification will encompass compression ratio, ignition & valves timing to avoid self ignition. He is also using rubber pipes and threaded fittings for H2, nice work!,
Asim Sohail
Aug 04, 2012 06:27pm
From start to end whole story of Agha is a lie, he don’t know any thing about electrolysis (distilled water?), capacitors (On pure DC?), Resonance (he knows the resonance frequency of water?), Hydrogen (HOH? or H2), stichiometric ratio (HOH in sigle pipe from kit and aspiration from air intake?), IC engine (use of h2 on standard engine without modification?), First & second law of thermo (do he have even energy balance equation of his invention?) Somebody prepared Agha to launch for any political reasons and though that whole of country is bunch of idiots, which is democratically but not technically. Few people are still there that's why wheel of country is running. As far as Agha is concerned he should be prosecuted not only due to gagging of science & engineering but also dis-crediting the word Engineer.
SAFIA NAZ
Aug 04, 2012 06:47pm
i wish that eng Waqar could prove his invention a real one.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 04, 2012 06:48pm
The belief that Qur'an had prophesied scientific theories and discoveries has become strong and widespread in the contemporary Islamic world; these prophecies are often provided as a proof of the divine origin of the Qur'an. The claim is that scientific facts exist in the Qur'an in many different subjects, including creation, astronomy, human reproduction, oceanology, embryology, zoology, the water cycle, and many more. "a time is fixed for every prophecy; you will come to know in time". Wikipedia
Dawood Khan Batozai
Aug 04, 2012 06:55pm
Yet another article to rebut his claims but not a televised practical demonstration of proving him wrong...
Latif
Aug 04, 2012 08:48pm
Pinku wants to know if the water used by Mr. Waqar was Halal. It would work better if the water was from Ganges River after the Nanga Sudhus have taken cleaned themselves in it. All the concerned people should be happy if Mr. Waqar has found a way to overcome the problems associated with production of Hydrogen from water and its use in cars. Like good neighbor Pakistan could give the byproduct Oxygen to India to help them clean air in their polluted cities and breath better air.
Sumera Khan
Aug 04, 2012 09:17pm
I feel Engineer Waqar needs to be supported and should be provided maximum security. All the nay sayers wll be proven wrong and law of Allah is bigger then the law of therodynamics
Ali
Aug 04, 2012 09:19pm
An undergraduate degree in physics along with high school certificate in good standing should be required to enter engineering college, to keep in check incompetent engineers A strong understanding of basic sciences like physics, chemistry , statistics, and calculus should be verified in the entrance exam
Ali
Aug 04, 2012 09:31pm
Leave out hate &biases. A scholar has got nothing to do with this
Ali
Aug 04, 2012 10:12pm
Human beings contain eartly constituents. Humans are earth based creation. This is what it means
garn badshah
Aug 04, 2012 10:37pm
ibne maryum hwa karain koi .. mere dard k dawa karay koi( pakistan )
Asad Haider
Aug 04, 2012 11:35pm
If an idea disobeys some law of science it may still have some hope but if it disobeys the second law of thermodynamics then it is surely doomed!
Ali
Aug 05, 2012 12:29am
The question is how much hydrogen the kit should produce per kw of output per minute, to determine practicability? The kw produced is needed to move the car, recharge the battery, and break the water molecule into the ions and overcome the losses Hydrogen cars already exist Iceland has already switched to hydrogen cars
Amit
Aug 05, 2012 02:49am
please answer on specific case and rhetorics don't help in science.....
Amit
Aug 05, 2012 02:53am
can you reply with some scientific facts?
Anees
Aug 05, 2012 03:30am
Well said Mr. Salim, at least someone is thinking out of Box and thinking to change the world, i hope such kind of research work will carried out in future to resolve fuel crises.
anees
Aug 05, 2012 03:31am
at least someone is thinking out of Box and trying to change the world. I hope such kind of research work will carried out in future to resolve fuel crises.
B.Ally
Aug 05, 2012 03:59am
One anchor Rana Mubashar supporting another water kit told a story that his father refused to sit in his CNG car for saying it is too dangerous for travel. A wise gentleman. Mubashar was supporting those two phony looking so called Engineers in his two shows who were trying to find market for their water Kits assembled from rag tag imports from Scammers. The point is water kits are more dangerous than CNG. It seems Mubashar did not learn much from his Wise Dad and was supporting two half educated clowns who pronounced SWITCH as SOCH and telling hydrogen as highly flammable. Man, correct word for that is Highly Inflammable . Even Truckers know that. Mr Mubashar do not associate with people who has nothing to do with science.
Desert
Aug 05, 2012 03:59am
May be. R u?
Usain
Aug 05, 2012 07:04am
Yes and YES
Salman
Aug 05, 2012 07:39am
I would have liked to see the same kit been used in Hamid Mir's car or that Minister's car. I didnt find it too difficult to install it in the car then why they didnt ask Mr Waqar to use thier cars?
faisal
Aug 05, 2012 07:25pm
The way he explains his theory clearly shows that how much efficient he is.His language ability and his talking style clearly demonstrate and reflects his education standard even he is not able to define his own theory and a basic physics student tell us more clearly .the saddest moment in this regard is that our well known anchors politicians they are involved without any practical result theory and hypothesis ,I live in LONDON and here this matter is discussing with laughs and as a joke with reference to Pakistan .if we are not able to prepare the proper engineers then at least we have no right to promote these kind of jokers and frauds on the media.actually this is the immaturity of our media .Interesting and disgusting BEHAVIOUR I am surprised to hear and listen all the matter please friends beware .May GOD help Pakistan .
dr ghulam
Aug 06, 2012 01:46pm
why do not you try to test the car in public by a group of engineers.
Satish Sharma
Aug 06, 2012 01:22am
The scientific analysis offered here is pointless, someone mentioned running the exhaust back to the water bottle and that sumps up the invention and the critique - those who don't understand it, should wait for the stock to be listed on Karachi Stock Exchange ..
Abdul
Aug 06, 2012 05:04am
Scientific Proofs of Agha Waqar' Water Kit http://www.facebook.com/WaterKitAghaWaqar
Khalid
Aug 06, 2012 05:31am
My compliments on a very thorough and excellent analysis of the water kit. This drama should not end here - media men are excused from knowing basic science. The real scandal here is our great scientists backing the water kit. Hats off to Dr. Atta for been a lone dissent voice. Everyone in the scientific/engineering community that supported the kit should be sentenced to at least one semester of Thermodynamics 101 with a minimum of 10 pop quizzes, 1 midterm, 1 final and a term report on the thermodynamics of water kits. The lack of scientific common sense at the very top is totally beyond belief :(
mohammad
Aug 06, 2012 05:44am
the author is making excesses. just examine the car fully to its minutest detail and then write.WALLAH even if the engineer agha is wrong, we should try to apprteciate that he has an idea to work on. he is not working in a cesspool of politics. LET US ENCOURAGE NEW SCIENTIFIC IDEAS IN OUR YOUTH. science was fiction long back and is now logic. the author seems to be an agent of oil lobby. how could u believe 60 years back that there will a software whereby you will be usin internet to read and write. it was not even a myth that time. physics is ok but always research and inquistion into is welcome.
Andro
Aug 06, 2012 06:48am
Every one is going crazy on this subject
Engr A R Qureshi
Aug 06, 2012 08:42am
I think Aga Waqar is Real Hero, he must be awarded for his work that can turn Pakistan in to a prosperious state. Our senior Scientists are commenting negativily without examining practically Aga Waqar's Quest. So i request all our senior scientists for God sake please dont discourage this nascent Scientist Engr Aga Waqar, if his work get commercialised millions of people will get advantage. So let him do his work. Aga Waqar has rejected so many foreign offers for the sake of Pakistan but unfortunately our Pakistani are making huge criticism on his invention instead of supporting Aga Waqar.
mohsin
Aug 07, 2012 10:46am
if you are aware of science then you should also know that human beings were not created from clay, they evolved.
farrukh
Aug 08, 2012 10:23am
Are you for real??
Kharvosky
Aug 10, 2012 10:08am
a perfect article on the subject. Well done!
Haseeb Ali Quddusi
Aug 10, 2012 10:19am
so the discussion is all about water and its use in providing energy to variety of items.As Pakistan is severely energy starved country , the water kit seems to a miracle to mitigate peoples sufferings. However this theory may be further tested,experimented and if the outcome is positive, then its developers must be recognised at International level as there is no dreath of talent in Pakistan.
samnix
Aug 10, 2012 11:34pm
Agree with u Sir, Angry mob should wait for the results...
samnix
Aug 10, 2012 11:39pm
My thoughts, IDK y is he being accused of wht he's not done, I mean "fraud"...
samnix
Aug 11, 2012 12:26am
the concept of free energy emerged in 1800s or 1900s iam not quite sure, NIKOLA TESLA claimed that he would produce energy out of nothing, Which is called zero point energy, but here, our so called scientists are trying to refute his invention, He didn't claim free energy did he? He demonstrated by running the car on water, NIKOLA as we know was a great scientist, If he can claim (although all of claims ended up being true) to produce energy out of nothing, Then why not water? :/