23 August, 2014 / Shawwal 26, 1435

The report puts the figure of Pakistanis who are legal residents of the US at 120,000, with an additional 50,000 being eligible to naturalise. - Photo courtesy Creative Commons
The report puts the figure of Pakistanis who are legal residents of the US at 120,000, with an additional 50,000 being eligible to naturalise. - Photo courtesy Creative Commons

Pakistani-Americans have become the second fastest growing and the seventh largest group in the United States, research statistics have revealed.

The population size of Pakistani-Americans increased drastically and doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report published by Pew Research Centre last month, as 57 per cent of the foreign-born Pakistanis were naturalised between 2007 and 2009. The report puts the figure of Pakistanis who are legal residents of the US at 120,000, with an additional 50,000 being eligible to naturalise.

According to the report, 65 per cent of the Pakistani-Americans are foreign born. However, Pakistanis who were able to acquire the legal permanent resident status in 2010 were sponsored by their immediate family members whereas only 16 per cent entered the country on the basis of employer’s sponsorship.

The research also proved that more than 80 per cent of the Pakistani-Americans do not speak English at home and that 12 per cent of the Pakistani community, despite being a former commonwealth territory, suffers from linguistic isolation.

In terms of education, 55 per cent of the Pakistan-Americans hold an undergraduate or Master’s degree.

The per capita income of Pakistani-Americans was USD 24,663 from 2007 to 2009. Poverty rate in Pakistani immigrants hovers around 15 per cent. The research proclaimed that eight per cent of Pakistanis living in the US, aged 16 and above, are unemployed.

It is also proved that 55 per cent of the Pakistani-Americans live in rented premises whereas 14 per cent live in overcrowded households.

Asian Americans lead immigrants The overall findings of the report reveal that Asian-Americans are considered to be most influential, highly educated, working on higher pay scale and fastest growing racial community in United States. The same report also signified that they are more satisfied with respect to the economy, their finances and lay more emphasis on career, success, hard work and successful married life.

This, however, was not the case 100 years ago when Asian-Americans were discriminated on the basis of their colour and race, lived in isolation and worked for low wages. Recent trends also show that contemporary Asian-Americans are more likely to marry into another race and live in mixed neighbourhoods.

Most of the Asians who have succeeded economically are immigrants and 74 per cent amongst them were born outside the US. Of these, about half say that they do not speak English whereas the other half claim to be fluent in English.

According to the recent statistics, Asians have surpassed Hispanics as the largest group of new immigrants and their educational background is outstanding. Almost 61 per cent of the new arrivals have undergraduate degree which is almost double the percentage of education prevalent in non-Asian immigrants.

Contrary to the common belief, Asian-Americans are more likely to receive green card on the basis of their employer’s request rather than their family affiliations or sponsorship.

The immigrant influx is almost half a century old and these immigrants belong to various Asian regions such as Far East, Southeast Asia and the Indian subcontinent.

However when residents Asian were interviewed and enquired about the state-of-affairs in their homelands, the results varied. Chinese living in china were more satisfied in terms of their economic growth and standard of living as compared to Chinese-Americans. Indian and Japanese-Americans were more satisfied with the situation in United States in contrast to their own countries.

Indian-Americans The report signified that Indian-Americans constitute the third largest group in Asian-Americans. A group of Asian-Americans from different origins were analysed based on their socio-economic lifestyles which proved that Indian-Americans lead all other groups significantly when it comes to income and education. Seven out of 10 Indian-Americans, aged 25, hold an undergraduate or a college degree.

The findings of the research proved that Indian-Americans have a very high income scale. Indian-American's median annual household income is USD 88,000 per annum as compared to USD 66,000 of Asian-Americans and USD 49,800 of an average American household.

On the far side of the socio-economic spectrum, Asian Americans hailing from Korea, Vietnam and China are poorer than the general public in US whereas people originating from India, Japan and Philippines are less poor than the aforementioned races.

Racial discrimination According to the findings of the research, many of the Asian-Americans do not feel discriminated in contrast to their predecessors who changed their abode in 19th and early 20th century.

One in five Asian-Americans claimed to have been treated unfairly on the basis of his/her race whereas one in ten admitted to have been called by an offensive name. About six amongst a cohort of 10 Asian-Americans said that they do not feel discriminated or feel that their origin matters when it comes to admission in a college or getting a job.

Identity crisis Despite high level of integration and inter-racial marriages, many Asian-Americans still feel culturally separated from other Americans. The sentiment varies according to the tenure of their duration of stay in the country.

According to the survey, 65 per cent of the American born Asians are of the view that they feel like typical Americans whereas 30 per cent of foreign born immigrants feel the opposite.

Political ideologies The survey signified that Asian-Americans are more likely to support an activist government rather than republicans. Half are democrats or lean democrats whereas on 28 per cent are GOP or lean GOP.

The survey also proclaimed that President Barrack Obama is supported more by Asian-Americans than other Americans as 54 per cent of them believe that he is doing his job well.

Fifty-five per cent of the Asian-Americans prefer big governments that ensure provision of services.

The author is a reporter at Dawn.com.

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Shilpan
Jul 11, 2012 02:49am
Some person whom we do not know, made comment and so many people wasting time-energy to fix/justify/favor the comment. Sounds we all very smart and perfect. Let us think about positive world and start contributing for . And let us start counting per head positive contribution.
Syed Abbas
Jul 10, 2012 10:01am
Greetings This behaviour is a reflection of practice at home. There are tens of Bill Gates like Billionaires in India, but only one practices Charity and he is a Shia Ismalili Muslim (Azim Premji). There are 1.5 million students on his fellowship. Whereas Mittals spend $300,000,000 on his daughter's wedding, Azim, who drives a Corrolla, served his guests on paper plates on his son's wedding. Income distribution is poorer in India - 250 million "middle class" but 800 million destitute who no one talks about. This is bad policy for the future.
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 09, 2012 01:58pm
This is the most childish comment I have ever read. 1. Indians do criticize USA, they criticize US policies as well. Just Google it and you'll get your answer. (of course not all Indians hate USA, similarly not all Pakistanis hate USA). 2. Indians don't call India a Land of Pure, so they are justified to leave ??? Are you serious ... Let me tell you something, Indians leave India because like Pakistan, India has also failed to provide it's citizen with basic human needs and basic rights. People leave these under developed countries for a better living standards. By this logic Australians hate Indians, but still Indians are moving to Australia WHY ??? 3. Last time I checked USA was a secular state.
Daniel Adam
Jul 09, 2012 12:21pm
It is good to note the Indian American are making $88,000 per year, that is a lot of money. However, another important but sad fact is Indian Americans seems to hate assimilating with mainstream American culture and does not to join the Armed forces of the United States to protect and serve this country. Most of the Indian family probably live on $8,000 a year and save $80,000 a year. Giving to charity and community is almost non-existing among the Indian community in America like the Jewish communities contribution. I have never heard an Indian American contributing anything for community. I DO NOT LIKE THIS KIND OF IMMIGRANT POPULATION THAT STRIVE ON CREATING SUB-CULTURE.
Danish
Jul 10, 2012 09:55pm
Wow An eye opner comment Syed Danish
BostonIndian
Jul 11, 2012 03:58am
It's ironic to watch how the behavior of Pakistanis has changed over the past decade. Previously if american's mistook them for Indians, they would contemptuously correct them, now they're happy to accept the mistake and even an indian identity even on paperwork, since that offers respectability and some anonymity.
Imran
Jul 09, 2012 09:05am
Why do Indians flock to US, Australia, UK if India's so shining? Lemme guess..........they want toilets.
Imran
Jul 09, 2012 04:07pm
Indians dont call India the Land of Pure, so they are justified to leave? What kind of argument is that? Please explain. I'm curious. Our ex-PM gave a similar logic a few weeks ago. You are not a Gillani by any chance are you?
Asif
Jul 10, 2012 10:09pm
LOL...Good One Gee!!
David Miller
Jul 09, 2012 06:53pm
I don't see any difference between Indians and Pakis. They are not assimilated into American Culture like other immigrants have done before them. They try to stay in their own sub culture. However, I have to admit that Indians are far better educated and hold professional positions unlike pakistanis. This is the source of their wealth. I have to agree with an earlier posting that they are not interested in military service. The closest thing they do to it is work in VA hospitals as doctors.
Nayeem
Jul 09, 2012 03:21pm
Sir,i as an Indian beg to differ...though we may not be known for our philanthrophy,but we are one of the most integrated communities anywhere...Besides,we one of the most educated communities and you would hardly find an Indian Hindu or muslim plotting to bomb up Times square!!! God bless america..Jai Hind..
Prapur
Jul 09, 2012 06:44pm
Excellent analysis by Mr. strictly spritual. Urdu,arabic or turkey is not scientific language. All langualges are derived from Sanskrit. More & more scientists are finding out themselves who are not bias. India is & will remain mother of all civilization.
Tariq
Jul 10, 2012 01:08pm
No doubt America (WAS) is the land of opportunity once your IN America. However, their imperialistic foreign policy is another matter indeed. And that is why there is so much hate for the US in places like Pakistan. But given the same people the chance to go to the US they readily change their tune! Does it make them hypocrites wanting to escape the harsh ground realities created by the inept and corrupted leaders who have sold out to the Western governments in the first place?
mohammad
Jul 11, 2012 03:12am
dear abbas, there are very good universities IN PAKISTAN but everyone knows that usa has the best scientific knohow in all fields. you should also know it. that is why WE PAKISTANIS GO THERE TO GET KNOWLEDGE .
amar
Jul 09, 2012 12:43pm
1) Indians don't critize Americans. Infact we love them. 2) Indians don't call India a Land of pure. So they are justified to leave. 3) why would muslims leave it and go to a jewish/christian land.
Zar Kahn Wazir
Jul 09, 2012 12:44pm
Spot on Saad. So much for "Amman Ki Asha"....:) They HATE us.
mohammad
Jul 09, 2012 03:42pm
excellent..thanks dawn . this is our lust for knowledge and education that we PAKISTANIS go to usa and work there. we never hated amercian people. we love all the people around the world. we must have the zeal for knowledge ,that has been the teaching of our beloved prophet. "FOR SEEKING KNOWLEDGE EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO CHINA, GO AHEAD". well done PAKISTANIS. FOR US KNOWLEDGE COMES FIRST ,THEN MONEY.
Imran
Jul 09, 2012 04:04pm
Wah wah kya baat hae ! So how come you guys cannot assimilate within your own country?The amount of inter-religious and inter-caste polarisation within India is hard to match.
Komal S
Jul 09, 2012 12:19pm
Actually you see, we do not need toilets!
Saad
Jul 10, 2012 09:39pm
Apples & oranges comparison. How can you compare the feelings of expat Indians to local Pakistanis concerning the US? Why not compare those of Pakistani Americans to Indian Americans and you will fine both are pretty happy and have positive feelings towards their adopted homeland.
david
Jul 10, 2012 10:37pm
the bottom line is goliath was no match to david
Raj
Jul 09, 2012 07:40pm
Ha ha, right. Good answer.
imran
Jul 09, 2012 07:41pm
As if the Indians are any different. Get real and stop hating Pakistan. Make love not war.
imran
Jul 09, 2012 07:43pm
i did'nt realize that Dawn news has such an Indian following.
hariharmani
Jul 09, 2012 07:52pm
It is wrong to generalize,my brother served in the Us Air force,my son served 3 years in marines,lot of Sikh are now joining USA armed forces.It is true many Indian_American came here as Engineers and doctors,but my son now a economist and works for Thomson Financial.I no longer go to India anymore for vacation,I watch NFL and baseball,and consider Cricket a sissy sport.So things are changing.I'm 100% Red,White and Blue and now put my hand over my heart when national antham is played.There is change in Indian attitude,slowly.Long way to go,there is no going back ,now.
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 09, 2012 08:13pm
How do you know ? I am sorry but your personal experiences are irrelevant here. How many Pakistanis you know living in US who hate US ? 10 ? 20 ? 30 ? 100 ? or 20000 ?
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 09, 2012 08:14pm
Yes, you are right so do Indians. :)
Vikas
Jul 10, 2012 08:13pm
I am currently in USA and I never go to Indo-Pak restaurant or store. I don't want my money to go a would be terrorist, directly or indirectly.
Abbas
Jul 10, 2012 05:14pm
You don't need to meet every Pakistani in order to deduce the feeling of a populace.
Abbas
Jul 10, 2012 05:14pm
They don't come from solidly anti-American countries like Pakistan.
Imran
Jul 10, 2012 05:15pm
I was responding to Mayank who is claiming that wherever Indians go they assimilate and contribute to the betterment of that society. I just cannot understand why they cannot make their own society a lot better. I am glad you know facts on both sides of the border coz you will realise that apart from the terrorist law and order problem in Pakistan, the lives of people are not very different all in the 2 countries, hence the eternal desire to leave for greener pastures.
Abbas
Jul 10, 2012 05:17pm
Pakistanis who emigrate are helping themselves, not Pakistan.
qaisar
Jul 10, 2012 07:52pm
Sandeep, can u leave your hate for Pakistan due to the fact that u are a Indian behind and then comment on this report. I live in USA and been there since 1983 and if i were to tell you the stories of indians living in USA and the way they live, it would make you climb the walls. so please rise above ur ignorance which I think be pretty tough for u and act like an Asian rather than Indian or Pakistani.
S. Khan Yousafzai
Jul 10, 2012 10:39pm
Just get over this old fashoned hate expressed by Indians and Pakistanis against each other. The truth is that immigration is a natural process to survive successfully (Survival of the fittest by Darwin). Freedom of expression is one added spice that we immigrants get when we immigrate to the West. So if this a bonus, then we may want to use it judiciously and positively to promote universalism. So, I suggest get out of your little grudges against each other. Both Pakistanis and Indians migrate to have a better life.
Sunny
Jul 12, 2012 03:49am
Mr. Abbas: You forgot something. India led in some fields. India's hockey declined by late 70's, Pakistan by late 90's. India started building post-high school higher educational institutes from Day 1, Pakistan ---???. I admire you -- cup is always half-full for you, never half-empty.
babu
Jul 09, 2012 12:54pm
ouch ! that hurts imran.
Surendra
Jul 09, 2012 10:12am
Nasty comments Imran. Ask Pakistani Americans that why Indian are successful in UK, USA, Canada, Australia, African Countries, Gulf Countries etc. The main reason is that they are highly educated and willing to work hard. Indians quickly mixed up with other ethnic and cultural groups as compared to other social groups. Indian education is secular and secular teaching helps them to respect other communities. When two Indian meet outside India, not necessary that they will talk about religion. Introducing him/her self Indian is more than enough for Indian. Verify the same criteria with Pakistani you may get different answer. Actually, we can learn a lot from each other instead of criticizing each other. Yes, we do not have enough toilets for our huge population. Inshallaha we will sort out our problem in coming years. Imagine, we do not have enough toilets for our own people and still they are performing outstandingly in other develop countries. When toilet like basic facility will be provided to every Indian, how smartly and quickly they will overtake other economy !!! Just think about that......despite of odds we are doing well.
Progressive
Jul 09, 2012 04:35pm
Dear Indians. Pakistani do not hate America. They hate American foreign policy and American wars. It is simple as that. I
Imran
Jul 09, 2012 12:32pm
Not every one my brother.America is not need of Pakistan its Pakistan which is need of America.Just think America with out Pakistani Doctor's,no onw will be there to cure the people. About hating,Indian does hate Austrailia then why are moving there every passing day?My brother come out of small spectrum of India and Pakistan and think in broader spectrum. Living here in Europe we(Pakistani and Indians) live all togather,we are friends,we play in same teams,we go for trips and parties togather.I don't know why people living in India thinks different while Indians here in Europe are al togather different.
keep fighting
Jul 09, 2012 04:34pm
wow reading the comments reminds me of neighbors fighting and jealous of each other's progress ... but I am sure at time of need the neighbors come together for one other's help.... keep the fight going guys as life is no good without it.
Mayank R
Jul 09, 2012 10:11am
Thankfully Indians do not spend 22 hours of their day thinking how their religion is under threat or that how other nations are hatching conspiracies to destroy us. Whichever country we go to, we assimilate and contribute towards the betterment of that nation. An Indo-Canadian.
Jamil
Jul 11, 2012 02:00am
US has been giving aid to India to even up till today India receives US aid. Its obedience to US foreign policy is understandable whereas Pakistan shows resentment to US policy.
Dr Shaaz Mahboob
Jul 09, 2012 10:57am
There is so much hypocrisy within Pakistani communities both living in Pakistan and in the US. On one hand America is the evil that is persecuting Muslims around the world, in collaboration with Israel and India, and then they'd happily take US aid and emigrate at the first available opportunity!
Abbas
Jul 09, 2012 02:35pm
Pakistanis hate America until they are offered immigration visas. I have also met Pakistanis who live in the US, work and contribute their talent everyday, pay taxes and still consider the US an evil entity. Pakistanis are a confused and hypocritical lot.
Not your average man
Jul 11, 2012 02:25am
Watch the documentary made by a British team called the Kashmir torture trail.... Then come back to us on your high horse please if you have any self respect as an Indian. And by the way Babri Mosque, Mumbai riots and Muslim killings is not uncommon in India either. I too have family both sides of the border Mr know it all.
doctor
Jul 09, 2012 12:12pm
But Indians don't claim to hate America, pakistani do
GVK
Jul 09, 2012 06:13pm
Assimilation implies that there exist one U.S. culture. Please enlighten us by defining what exactly is mainstream American culture? When you have problems with others for who they are how they live it's time to introspect or seek help.
Bangaloreboy
Jul 10, 2012 03:36pm
Lots to say, how about $1 = 93 Pakistani rupees, this is enough for you
hitesh
Jul 09, 2012 06:05pm
bro...correct urself..dis news is more than one month old...and i read it in an indian newspaper...obviously with a lot of emphasis on the growth and success story of indians in us unlike dis article...
brighton
Jul 10, 2012 08:38pm
Most of the pakistanis have negative feelings for non-muslims. When they donot find any non muslim they start treating Kafir their other sects. Pakistanis should start thinking positive. No prosperity without being smart and hard honest work. .
Fazz
Jul 09, 2012 05:46pm
cause the people are becoming impure day by day
ravi
Jul 09, 2012 05:47pm
Indians immigrating tp USA because USA is best country to live and evry body in world want to live in best country in the world.
John
Jul 10, 2012 04:29pm
Yes Indians are different. That's why Pakistani's in the US identify themselves as Indians whether they are looking for a job or if they want to start a business. Nobody in the US trusts Pakistanis.
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 09, 2012 05:43pm
For all those who take pride in the fact that majority of their countrymen are trying hard to shift permanently to other countries and that they have the biggest community living abroad should think again. It implies that your own country is a failure. Hence the concept of Third World Countries as explained by Noam Chomsky.
jasus
Jul 10, 2012 01:07pm
Coz Indians are smarter than Pakistanis.
Abbas
Jul 09, 2012 05:39pm
Why go to US for knowledge ? There are no universities in Pakistan or elsewhere in the world ? Be truthful Pakistanis immigrate to US because its a better place to live than Pakistan
Abbas
Jul 09, 2012 05:35pm
Most Pakistanis now consider the US their Number 1 enemy, that sounds a lot more than simply disagreeing with US govt policies. I have yet to meet any other ethnic group in America that is so anti-American yet happy to immigrate to America.
Sekar
Jul 10, 2012 10:33am
Well I wish most in The USA would not run up credit card bills "of 80,000$ on 8000$ incomes". Just look around the housing mess to see what living within your means takes you. Also strong cultyural and family values give Indian children a strong mooring to excel in studies and professions. Just check the top Ivy league schools and colleges. Indians excel in a foreign language in a foreign culture , Just check the mean education or earning potential or the spelling bee results of the last 10 years. So many Tax paying Indian American Immigrants carry several locals living off wellfare in addition to contribution to society. Indian immigration is new about 50 years old due to discriminatory immigartion policies before and after Indian Independence from the British. So you should see further progress without loosing the core identity in assimilation. 2 US governors is a start in politics. Philanthropy is an area where Indians can learn from other communities.
Waqas
Jul 09, 2012 05:14pm
Oh yes I've seen the sense of integration South and North Indians have with each other very well. They are so bloody close to each other that they don't even know what to name their mainstream filmaking industry and made bollywood for north and tollywood for South and don't even get me started on Gujrat events in 2002 and Sikh massacre in 1984, 'Mr. Educated'
Zavia
Jul 10, 2012 10:43am
Pakistanis don't hate America or Americans, they hate the Policies of US administration and specially their conduct towards Pakistan.
Waqas
Jul 09, 2012 05:07pm
Oh Dawn have a very biased sense of opinion. They claim to be all neutral and 'secular' and all however have little to no sympathy for Muslim mindset in paricular
Waqas
Jul 09, 2012 05:02pm
how are you guys any different? ... search up pew research poll for indians
ggg
Jul 09, 2012 04:48pm
Yea it is not slavery probably but it is the caste system serving the same purpose!
shankar
Jul 10, 2012 10:59am
Sekahr, India's love for US is temporal. We did not love US during the Nixon regime, did we?
shankar
Jul 10, 2012 10:56am
Can I plead you to please stop the rambling! It is embarrassing! Does your spiritualism teach you to bad mouth other religions? This kind of talk, that too in a Pakistani blog, is very unbecoming, it represents everything that Hinduism abhors! Please stop!
abid ali
Jul 09, 2012 04:42pm
@strictlyspiritual It is sad to know that you have done your PhD but still have either biased or ignorant views of Islam and Islamic civilization. You said: If Islam is religion of peace then it needs to produce much more scientists, entrepreneurs, Gandhi type leaders because they happen in peaceful land and culture and not in the homes of Dostum in Afghanistan Time to open your mind and eyes which your education and Ph D degree failed to. Maybe the following information about Islamic civilization will open up your mind (or maybe nothing will): http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorin... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejG7xI2wSyc
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 09, 2012 04:45pm
So do many other American races including Caucasians. Disagreeing with Govt. Policies doesn't mean you hate the land and people living on it.
Sal
Jul 09, 2012 04:42pm
These numbers are misleading. Many Pakistani that were living here became US citizens because on 9/11 and the back-lash for being Muslims. Also, these numbers (120,000) are a percentage. So, not really that many. There are over 1 million Indians in the US. so number wise they are a larger number. Please correct me if I am wrong.
pakistani
Jul 09, 2012 02:37pm
dawn should not publish hate comments, i request to DAWN between India and Pakistan. For how many years these two great countries will remains in stand still cold war like siutuation and let's move ahead and think broadly and share our good things and language progress prosperity though it's looks insane as pakistan is lagging lot behind then India but i hope in decades to come this situation will get change
tikki
Jul 09, 2012 03:26pm
It works both ways,I'm a Pakistani and I read more nonsense from Pakistanis then from Indians.
Manish
Jul 09, 2012 12:02pm
Nobody in India claims that we live in the land of Pure or Absolute Truth, but Pakistan does..
saythetruth
Jul 10, 2012 11:02am
Keep on preaching Syed right on the MONEY
haris
Jul 09, 2012 10:48am
I believe you got the answers from U.E. Hayyat and Imran. Do you want more? I have some things to say. Should I?
Saad
Jul 09, 2012 10:44am
Why do Indians read the news and then bash Pakistani people??
Khan
Jul 10, 2012 05:40pm
Pakistanis can easily compete or even exceed Indians in all fields if they had the opportunity. Unfortunately, a lack of focus of human development and education in Islamic countries like Pakistan due to outdated Islamic traditions have resulted in women being left uneducated and out of the workforce. How can you compete globally when almost 50 % of your population is not part of your workforce? Hindus, Chinese and other religions are far more progressive in allowing women to fully participate in the workforce than Pakistan and other Islamic countries. Too much rdical Islamization has retarded Pakistan's development and kept it from fulfilling it's great potential. We have seen Pakistan youth and students reaching the top in O-levels and other exams and setting all kinds of records. Education system in Pakistan, and particularly outdated Madrassas need to be closed and the entire curriculum needs to be modernised. India calls itself very enlightened and progressive but they are very clever in hiding some of the barbaric evils in their society like the genocide against Muslims in Gujrat, human rights violations in Kashmir, discrimination against Muslims, and the shocking abortions of female fetuses. I think our Indian friends on this blog should stop feeling superior and remember that it was not long ago that they were supporting the USSR while Pakistan supported the US during the Cold War. America, in it's ungratefulness has forgotten Pakistan's past support and India's support of USSR during Cold War.
Raj Patel
Jul 10, 2012 04:38pm
Optimism is good but too much optimism is called day dreaming.
saythetruth
Jul 10, 2012 11:07am
So what it our right to go where ever we like and help our Pakistan the Land of PURE. LOL
saythetruth
Jul 10, 2012 11:05am
You have to much time on your hand.
pee loo ..
Jul 11, 2012 08:18pm
waqas ...atleast india is better than fakistan which kills its own citizens in lacs in karachi , baluchistan , FATA swat etc...sorrry but u can only be jealous of indians ...n u can never compete them....even indian muslims are doing better ..n r more intelligent n achievers
kat dalunga
Jul 11, 2012 08:11pm
i understand ur frustration envy n jealousy of india n hindus in particular .. but NO sorry u r not going to get any US visa despite ur tirade ...
zibran
Jul 11, 2012 08:14pm
is that why u r scared all the time ?
ponga pandit
Jul 11, 2012 08:08pm
its better to kill thoughts online rather than kill each other on land ..
proud hindu
Jul 11, 2012 08:05pm
stop whining .... hindus have proved themselves and are widely accepted all over the world .. in fact even indian muslims have done better living in india with hindus ... even certain arab muslims have done better ...unfortunately pakistani muslims are nowhere .. instead of being jealousy n envy learn from hindus ...
abu-rehan
Jul 11, 2012 08:04pm
ALEX can u prove the statistics u gave?
Ahmed
Jul 11, 2012 07:54pm
OMG So many Indians here!
azeem latif
Jul 11, 2012 07:31pm
whatever u say, pakistani are so peaceful, friendly people and they respect american laws and live like good citizens. and every pakistani has a big dream to fulfill even an un-educated man , here , has dream to have a gas station and grocery store and he gets it within few years. i live in usa too and i see pakistani people live so good proud to be a pakistani.
DeepKar
Jul 13, 2012 09:38am
Come on Guys!! Keep fighting.. The so called cyber warriors of Hind and Pak.
Abbas
Jul 11, 2012 05:48pm
Marriage and family immigration plus work visas.
Abbas
Jul 11, 2012 05:49pm
You don't need to condemn cricket to be considered an "American". You are not assimilating you are imitating.
kumail
Jul 12, 2012 10:40am
Pakistanis only consider America as a ATM machine. When you settle in a country you should assimilate in that society. Pakistanis live secluded among their own communities. I honestly believe that 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do'. If you dont like so, then please leave as it is not your country.
ksha
Jul 12, 2012 03:39pm
I agree with you to a point. First generation Indians are not assimilated but look at second generation and what you say does not hold true. First generantion Indians stick with people they can communicate and eat with. Their eating habit is so different that it is hard for them to melt in general american society. Drinks and food goes long way building relationships. Second generation Indian has no problem with this since they acustomed themselves with American culture from kindergarden and easily mix with american people.
ABL
Jul 12, 2012 03:35pm
Its all about behviour and mind set, whether in any Asian country or outside Asia. I give example. Why do so many Pakistanis who reside outside Pakistan, but when they return back to Pakistan for just visiting, theybehave terribly arrogant and rude when they arrive at the airport. Very educated and now exposed to Western society and culture, but illiterate as soon as they touch our motherland. Does it also happen in Indians also?
Neena
Jul 09, 2012 05:06am
Being Pakistani is an ethnic group or community not a race..Please correct it..
ssf
Jul 09, 2012 05:11am
Pakistanis are not considerd as belonging to a race rather they are of cetain ehnic group. And some Indians and Pakistans pass or are cosiderd whites unless they themseives start classifying themselves as brown, Inferiority complex developed from the past history.
Alex
Jul 09, 2012 04:42am
Second fastest yes. a deceiving statistic. Here are the number on immigrant visas issued to Asians countries: Philippines: 366,678 China: 304,652 India: 284,450 Pakistan: 92,267
Ustaad
Jul 09, 2012 03:11pm
It doesn't end just here - after migrating to US, they will soon want to change it to 'Pakistan' and fight with US to introduce Sharia laws
mirrior
Jul 09, 2012 09:40am
oh but hey wait, why millions of Indian living in other countries? are they on a long vacation? better look yourself before pointing fingers on other's :)
aloneinlonelyplanet
Jul 10, 2012 08:49am
hey strictly spiritual, whats the use of filling all those unis with brothers of yours when they have failed to teach you a small thing called Compassion! You may win your argument by writing these long paragraphs (& letting us know how idle usual American-Indians are in normal to waste time!) but you lose a person! At least, that what I know from Gandhi Gee's life bro!!
Farhan
Jul 09, 2012 04:22pm
There is always two sides to a coin. Head or Tail. For this article or against this article
Haad
Jul 09, 2012 06:50am
Indian are doing great average Income 88,000 wow and for Pakistani's only USD 24,663 thats horriable. This means Pakistanis lack behind Indians by far even in US. Very sad to hear these stats
Dr zulqarnain
Jul 09, 2012 07:12am
its in nice to hear like that, but they shuould play their rule, activly and positivly becoz pakistan is passing its difficult time of its history.__
caz
Jul 09, 2012 07:37am
It is understandable that people want to escape from pakistan as there is no future there. For that matter pakistan has no future!
Vijay
Jul 09, 2012 08:14am
Glad to hear about Indian Americans...median annual household income is USD 88,000 per annum!!..even more than of an average American household..how sad i didnt found this news in any Indian news paper so far...thanx DAWN
magus
Jul 09, 2012 08:14am
why do they want to leave the land of the pure?
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 09, 2012 08:34am
for the same reasons all other immigrants leave their under developed homelands like India, Bangladesh and Philippines.
magus
Jul 09, 2012 08:42am
Dawn seems to censor posts. Also, posts are disabled where ever they think people will post a lot... are they free press? sure delete libel and profanity, but why just opinion? For a site that hosts Nadeem Paracha and MJ Akbar this is sad
Sandeep
Jul 09, 2012 08:47am
Pakistanis hate America untill they get residential visas to live there LOl
U.E. Hayyat
Jul 09, 2012 09:23am
Yes you are right, and most of those who hate USA are the ones who get their Work Permit or Resident VISAs rejected.
aaa
Jul 09, 2012 09:06am
Surprizingly its becoming a race. In UK in certain forms where race is asked among 6 or 7 big options pakistani is one option:)
Rajiv
Jul 09, 2012 04:15pm
Most of the people who immigrated to US are engineers and doctors. You should start life from scratch and see how difficult it is. These communities are very very young (first and few second generations) compared to other communities who have been here longer. Things will improve and I am sure the community will open out more to the mainstream Americans as time goes. Be patient..ugh.
magus
Jul 09, 2012 09:18am
Right you are, Imran. they want toilets, they want to escape the corruption and violence here and there are too many of us anyway. And of course they want to get rich too.
muzammil ullah khan
Jul 09, 2012 08:49pm
come on sandeep, let's get more rational and stop this pettiness of ridiculing one nation or another. a lot can be said about the indians but i wont. i dont want to get down to that level. lets grow up.
Yousapzai
Jul 09, 2012 09:04pm
Here are us............Pakistanis and Indian ........talking to each other..........if they could they would have killed each other online. keep it up.......we love to hate each other
rohit
Jul 09, 2012 09:22pm
Being an Indian i will agree with you. But you need to understand that there is HUGE cultural difference berween first generation indians aand americans. BUt next generations is very well integrated with mainstream. Also if you check silicon valley and other corporate sector historically, for Indian who got visa, he created 5 US jobs through various startups!
peace
Jul 09, 2012 09:30pm
oh dear, these indians cant help venting their bile towards pakistan at every single opportunity. How sad...get a life
Salim Langda
Jul 10, 2012 12:56pm
Did the author analyse what part of the Pakistani increase in number is contributed by population growth? :P
peace
Jul 09, 2012 09:40pm
i know of indians in USA and UK who are happy to make their livelihoods in these countries but never forego any opportunity to bash these countries. Your logic just doesnt stack up, so give up.
peace
Jul 09, 2012 09:45pm
you claim to be not a terrorist ok, but the original post was about complete lack of integration by indians. these are two different things. How confused are you!
GeeWhiz
Jul 09, 2012 10:26pm
@Imran If Indians wanted a toilet, they would be migrating to Pakistan.
BHB
Jul 09, 2012 10:37pm
That is an ignorant comment. Indians are assimilated in every facet of American life. The reason you don't see them more represented in the Armed Forces is because they have far more opportunities in civil life due to being better educated. The same trend is true for native born Americans, btw, outside of traditional military families.
Vijay
Jul 09, 2012 11:31pm
Hi Strictlyspiritual Love to read your comments filled with facts that we love to know. Please write a book and publish that will serve the people from Indian Subcontinent. I do not hate Pakistanis when I think about their forefathers who suffered in the past at the hands of invaders. Pakistan past is part our Indian Culture.
Real Indian
Jul 09, 2012 11:59pm
Look who is talking! If they allow Indians to move to United States, 95% India will move to United States.
shankar
Jul 10, 2012 12:23pm
Let us not forget that India has a population of 1.1 billion against Pakistan's 170 million. Naturally there will be more Indians in US than Pakistanies
very_Sprirtual
Jul 10, 2012 12:22am
Dr. Vish is not a Ph.D, he is a Pu.R (pure racist). Why Dawn is offering this much real estate to race monger. I am not a Muslim or Hindu but when a person shows his superiority through tribal power then there is some serious flaw in his upbringing. FYI, Dr. Vish just Google Sci and Phy department of every university in United States and let me know how many Muslim names you come across. I can bet my pants that you will find twice as many Muslim professors in American Universities than Hindus. You need to learn how to make difference between religion and people. You said Slavery did not reach to the DNA of Indian people. You really need to help us with with the definition of "Indian". I bet in your books only Aryans were real Indians. Who slaved dark, short and weaker native people their slave 5,000 years ago. That slavery is still so undeniable and Dr. vish you are living in West in denial. Have you ever met in lower cast Hindu (sorry they considered themselves they are not Hindu) and asked them if they feel slave in their society? You will have your answer. The last thing is the people (Hindus in labs) who you are referring to 80% belong to lower cast and they don't want to be identified as Hindu anyway. Correct your statistic Mr. PuR Spirituality is not about hate... you are not enlightened yet.
Mudassar
Jul 10, 2012 12:30am
Indians make 1% of total American population.
Akbar
Jul 10, 2012 12:33am
Thats what happening everyday in Pakistan isn't Mr Waqas???? Do not invite truth that will hurt a lot. Lets keep comments peaceful!
Girish
Jul 10, 2012 12:44am
India is state-nation. She believes and embraces Diversity and Integration over Assimilation. She is an amalgamation of many things and that's her beauty!
Baba Sidni
Jul 10, 2012 01:06am
And they are still using the used Dawn for the next dawn!
hahahahah
Jul 10, 2012 01:06am
i just love it so many foreigners on this platform kudos to dawn keep it up
Baba Sidni
Jul 10, 2012 01:09am
What about Indians and Chinese? Haven't you met any of them?
Baba Sidni
Jul 10, 2012 01:11am
Ever wondered, who is the father of civilization?
saythetruth
Jul 10, 2012 01:21am
The best thing about Pakistani American is that most of them are keeping their Pakistani + Islamic identity. On the hand India are losing their Indian identity and most of 2nd generation are ashamed of being called Indian American and they are even changing their name. For example Vija is Jay, Raiiv is now Ray.
baachaa
Jul 10, 2012 12:46pm
its not different for indians living in australia.. do you want me send you some audio proves..cheers
Agha Ata
Jul 10, 2012 02:40am
There are a lot of restrictions for Pakistanis to get visa for America, so the question is that how they are coming here. Are they entering as illegal aliens, or are Pakistanis producing more children? How exactly are they becoming the second fastest growing group in America?
matta
Jul 10, 2012 02:52am
Asian american is misleading because according to US census form Asian are Asian race and Indian as well as all other Indian sub-continent people are not asians race but a mixed group of Caucasian so I always tick other thats why I think there are more south-asians than reported. most of us indians and Pakistanis here in USA donot share the hatred for each other I am a Indian hindu and I have many pakistani friends so I think when it comes to USA india and pakistan are friends.
Bilal Zahoor
Jul 10, 2012 02:54am
Showing brutality and overt antagonism against one's religion is never the take of a sane. A spiritual hindu (in the real sense) would conform to the above mentioned statement, because he, by the virtue of truth and spiritualism, would have reached a point where he can see the humanity with a God's eye - which is so frugal in discrimation. But this artful creature (as depicted by the name 'strictly spiritual') is becoming the cause of distraction and moral corruption for many. I am not going to ask you to seek some help from a Muslim, Christian or Jewish Spiritualist (as this would be an over-estimation of your vision at my part); just sit by a pleasant looking Hindu scholar some post-evening (by then you would have clocked-out of your work station); i am certain he would suggest you to get rid of some of your loathfulness (see i'm not doubting the sanity of a Hindu). The point is there is no point of dedicating the far-flung sections of 'science' and mammoth term of 'civilization' to mere one creed. You see there are monsters like Euclid, Galileo, Al-Khawarzimi, Socrates, Gandhi, Martin Luther, Mandela, Iqbal, Ravindranath Tagore, Roomi, etc. etc. are all giants belonging to different tenets. God didn't gift a 'uniquely operating brain' to Hindus only. Indeed He showered some generosity upon the other poor cults as well. I wonder why has such an obvious thought remained unopened to you even in your 50's (correct me if i'm wrong). Harmony, Equality, Love are the common basic pillars of all religions. Let's first build the pillars and leave the edifices and piles to be built later. God knows one might find one life insufficient to consolidate the pillars. God bless!
matta
Jul 10, 2012 02:58am
that's why there are two Indian Governors and one among them is a star of republican party candidate, and guess what they are just second generation Indians just one generation and they are completely american. Chinese are there since beginning of railroad they still live in china town. The Indian are the only asian community that assimilates fully into american culture in a very short period of time.
murali
Jul 10, 2012 03:36am
I hope Pakistanis do not term this DAWN report as a conspiracy hatched by India and america to show Pakistan in bad state and to show how superior Indians are.
vivek
Jul 10, 2012 03:41am
Indian number around 2.6 million all over usa.
Sekar
Jul 10, 2012 03:44am
Most Indians are grateful being in the US. Polls have shown Indians in India have one of the highest positive feelings towards the USA whereas the Pakistanis have the worst feelings towards the USA despite living off US aid. Some of this attitude is seen among Pakistani Americans caught up with the conspiracy theories- hangover from their homeland. Such split loyalty and hypoc racy does not help to realize the full potential in a free country like the US. Most Indians - of course my statements are generalizations are grateful to the US which is a meritocracy, where laws are applied equally, corruption free, provides descent livelihood and education and yes homes and toilets unlike the country of origin -India. This state of mind helps to progress and make use of opportunities in the adopted land. Indians lead in educational, and economic parameters. It is a common to findIndian Americans as top professionals doctors , scientists, CEOs silicone valley Tycoons. Top Ivy league schools have an overrepresentation with Indians. Already 2 governors are childrenof Indian immigrants (Lousiana and S. Carolina). Indian Americans are posed for a growing clout and profile in the USA. So hard work, assimilation without surrendering your Identity and being grateful to the USA for the opportunity this nation provides would go a long way for success in the USA if one plays by the rules. in spite of all the faults and there are many, USA is the best country on earth period.If you do not believe just check the people in embassies in your countries hoping to get a Visa to the USA.
Sid
Jul 10, 2012 04:37am
Have you heard Mohsin calling himself Moe, Sameer as Sam, Zafarullah as Zaf?? ..... please bring some strong comment next time and do not resort to such low standards. About Pakistani identity, many Pakistanis here call themselves as Indians to avoid embarassment of their association with Pakistan with current state of affairs. Even the Pakistani restaurants call themselves as "Indian Pakistani restaurant" to avoid taking any chances of hate crime against them. Here is one more reason for Mr Saad, who asked previously on why would Indians hate Pakistanis. It is because of ignorant Pakistanis like you
Bikram Singh
Jul 10, 2012 12:27pm
i m hundred percent sure that somewhere there is an 100 percent affection, love, and even care between indians and pakistanis that they keeps on fighting each other. And this fight is like two little brothers. think, India and Pakistan standing by each other in case america hits pakistan or china hits india.
Ali
Jul 10, 2012 12:28pm
there are lot of talks about Pakistanis who want to migrate to USA Yes they do for a reason I havent gone through all the posts but Dr. Shaaz Mahboobs comment seems to be interesting calling Pakistani community hypocrites. If your hungry kid cries in front of you i want to know how truthful you may get and being aa doctor doesnt mean you have got educated morally criticizing the people who are less educated than you. Secondly Pakistani are against the atrocities that are being laid on by any country towards their motherland and religion.
Ahmedzai
Jul 10, 2012 04:04am
India is a 5000 year old civilization and identity, the identity that we lost with the partition. So, India is able to contribute ito the world in general and US in particular in ways we Pakistanis cannot. This is a sincere fact. India's concept of nonviolence and ahimsa, a concept that dates from Ashoka in 400 bc if not earlier, continued through to Gandhi who deeply influenced Martin Luther king and the civil rights movement here in the US. Then there is yoga, Bollywood, meditation, vegetarianism, classical music, classical dance, and thousands of other soft power things from Indian culture that seeps through America and the rest of the world. Then, there are the teachers, engineers, silicon valley entrepreneurs (40% of silicon valley start ups are started by indian Americans), NASA scientists, CEOs of major companies. So, Indians here proudly say where they are from, even 3rd generation Indians associate with India at some level. Here Pakistan Americans have a serious disadvantage. They usually shift the conversation away if it gets close to revealing their roots, much like our western neighbors who shy away from the term Iranian American preferring to call themselves Persian instead.
Sid
Jul 10, 2012 04:21am
Are Shias, Sunnis and Ahemadis safe in Pakistan? These people at least belong to same religion Islam whom you guys claim has no evils like Hindu caste system. Then why are Shias and Sunnis killing each other? Why are Ahemadis do not get right of being called muslims ? Why are muslims from India who moved to Pakistan during partition treated as Muhajirs ? I am a lucky one who has families on both sides of border. So please be wise before you reply me and do not assume I do not know facts of both countries. Unlike Pakistan where recently a law to ban buying products from Ahemadis were discussed, Indian government does not have any such caste based ugliness. On the contrary Indian government implies reservation quote for muslims and minorities for their upliftment. RSS and Shiv Senas are right wingers who do shout as much as they can but do not influence our policies. I can go one, but hopefully these few lines above are enough for you to do some soul search.
Sekar
Jul 10, 2012 04:31am
Every community has positive and negative traits. First we have to recognize the positive ones before we can emulate. Education, strong family ties, living within our means ( that is NOT running a credit card bill of 80000$ on a 8000$ salary) are the strong points of Indian families in general. That explains their success in the USA in spite of cultural and linguistic differences in the new land. Indians have assimilated where it matters. Excelled in an English speaking society to the point of excelling not only in higher education compared to most groups but also inthe mastery of an allien language. The last 10 spelling bee championships have had 8 Indians. Holding on to the good values of your heritage has been an advantage to the Indo Americans. True Indians have lagged in philanthropy. Hopefully the newer generations could learn from other ethnic groups and be more public spirited.
Sid
Jul 10, 2012 04:51am
Daniel I hope you read this comment. It is very very important you read. How many well to do Americans have served in Armed force or have send their children to serve in armed forces ? Please don't cite examples like Bush who come from such an politically affluent family who will make sure he never comes under harms way. Most of armed forces any where in the world comes from low income group of families who like the perks and promises of free education. qualify for low income housing and many other benefits they would not otherwise earn so easily. And I am saying majority not all of them. So setting this as premises lets look at certain evils Indians have to face vis a vis other nationals. Pakistanis who hate Americans, apart from few liberals, there are quite many Pakistanis who were caught on American soil for terrorism. Has any Indian been caught ? even then Pakistanis applying for green card are immediately eligible where as Indians who are tax paying community who keep low, do their job, dont mess around, have to wait for constant and inhuman backlogs for getting their GC approved. To give you an example, a work visa holder from India awaits 9-10 years on average for getting residency compare to Pakistanis who get it within 6 months. The wives and spouses of those working class Indians are quite qualified for job as much as any Americans would be. They are not allowed to work in USA, and contribute to tax paying and by the time they get GC their talent is dead and their patience has taken toll taking away an opportunity fo potential business woman who could probably contribute more to society and may be free up their man to serve in your army. It is indeed Americas; immigration policy which allows illegal and often involved in crime Mexican immigrants to get permanent residency quicker than legal Indian immigrant. Most of my comments as Indians may appear as biased and racist. For which I am sorry to those whose sentiments I hurt. But Show me which one of my above comments are wrong. I sincerely wish Mr Daniel Adams that you get to read my comment.
muhammad ali
Jul 10, 2012 05:13am
hatred is a spiritual sicknnesslet us heal ourself and get rid of this malady.indian society has for a long time evolving and growing socially.gautama.mahaveer.,guru nanak,baba fareed,khawaja ajmeri all tried their best to remove social injustice of the society.budhism,jainism,islam,sikhism and christianity were all partially sucessful in eradicating the cast system.the english colonialism was successful in eradicating the satti.i think the modern information age will bring lot of positive changes in our societies.we indians and pakistanis should work together to remove social injustice of our societies.we should learn this from our western experience.
chakraborty
Jul 10, 2012 05:44am
ya still its better than pakistan where 20,000 Muhajirs are killed. 1/10th of Gujrat riots, Hazaras are killed, Ahmadis are killed, Shias are killed, Barelvis are killed, In Gojra christians are killed, Hindu Girls like Rinkle Kumari are abducted and forced to become Muslim. "Jin ke ghar sheeshe ke hote hain, Wo doosron ke ghar patthar nahi phenka karte." And Muslim Non Muslim problem is everywhere - China, Russia, Nigeria, Thailand, UK, France etc. etc. We are not exception
Syiem
Jul 10, 2012 05:40am
Yes we will. But we don't burn American flags either.
Scott
Jul 10, 2012 05:59am
I live in USA and am from Pakistan. Myself and a lot of Pakistanis are quite assimilated. It depends what your education level is. Same goes for Indians.
chakraborty
Jul 10, 2012 06:09am
Do you want peace ? Accept that there are other ways of reaching God. Respect Others. There will Peace not Pieces.
thinker
Jul 10, 2012 06:21am
Indian spends 22 hours to read news and bash Pakistanis and Pakistan. I have not read a single post from an Indian which is not filled with hate.
Muslim who drinks
Jul 10, 2012 06:28am
This is exactly what Jinnah said in 1947 and you guys are still mad at us. Cheers!
janin
Jul 10, 2012 06:46am
Sidartha (aka SID) How many Pakistanis were caught in terrorism? Name few and prove if they are still in jail. Don't tell me about sting operation of FBI of catch and release to gain mileage. Now compare white collar crime of Pak vs. Indian.. you will find 100% higher crime rates by Indians. The reason US does not give Indian visa immediately because bring one Indian to US means bringing 500 members of his family within next 15 years. In NJ, NY and Dallas there are thousands of Indians who came in 90's and now they have over 4 dozen members of family migrated to US. 80% of those members are still very backward.
chakraborty
Jul 10, 2012 06:47am
Indian representation in Universities, White Collar Jobs, Software, Labs and even Business is much more than Pakistan and entire Muslim world. Gujratis, Sindhis & Punjabis for Business - 37% of Motel business of US is owned by one Gujrati caste called patel. Bengalis, Marathis, All 4 south Indian states in majority go for science, software, Phd courses etc. Citibank CEO is Hindu, Pepsico Chief is Hindu, Alfred Ford is Hindu (Although converted) to name a few List is endless Check the Spellbee competition winners and most students are Indians. Go to any big city in India and check the courses for GMAT/ GRE mushrooming. Preparation for entry in good US University with scholarship India is big business, Just check GMAT/ GRE scores and you will find hordes of Indians. and yes please check Indian scientists on net, its more than 100 time more than pakistan and I think we are only 5 times bigger !!!!!!!!!
chakraborty
Jul 10, 2012 06:48am
This Aryan invasion thing is debatable and its under research. Britishers came up with this theory so that there imperialism can be justified that nobody is from this land and everbody is an outsider. Same goes with Muslims. We are race of rishis and munis, we are race of worlds oldest civilization Our customs, culture, language and religion is as ancient and rich as India itself.
Syed Abbas
Jul 10, 2012 09:55am
Our Indian friends are always obsessed about comparing India with Pakistan. Few in Pakistan do that. They have other measures. I have lived in Canada, and Belgium, and Pakistan. All 3 countries have far bigger neighbours next to them who dominate them culturally and economically. But Pakistan is the only one of the 3 that does not aspire to be like her neighbour. This topic deserves a detailed psychological/social analysis. One reason may be that in South Asia, Pakistan has been the trend-setter. Here are some items. 1. Free Enterprise - Pakistan 1947, India 2000 2. Free Trade - Pakistan 1947, India 2000 3. Alliance with the West - Pakistan 1950, India 2000 4. Friendship with China - Pakistan 1960, India ??? 5. Distancing from Socialism - Pakistan 1947, India 1990 6. Distancing from dying Corporate Capitalist West - Pakistan 2000, India ???? Clearly, India follows Pakistan some 50 years later. Sure, India has achieved some rapid progress lately, but that has been by implementing Reaganomics and Thatcherism, something that has come to bite the West after 20 years. The last chapter of progress in India has not been written. Now, Pakistan is going through a Civil war and External War for the last 30 years, and still managing to keep head above water. No other country, not USA, not Canada, not India has the resilience to do that.
cssingh
Jul 11, 2012 04:37am
Very well written Ahmedzai..I know many Pakistani here who do not let their wifes work.Theier children do not take up part time job whereby other Asians are economically much ahead of them.The other Asians study hard after school and usually during examinations parents sacrifice so much and dont disturb their children plus they try to get other students nearby for disscussiions and school work.
cssingh
Jul 11, 2012 04:51am
Mr Khan portion of what you write I agree but not all.We all are homo sapiens and our trajectory for good life,education,family good values and worl/education are same.If Indians are guilty as you write---what about Pakistanis---Balochistan,Sindh,Afganistan and like many nations intelligence say that Pakistan is epicentre of worlld terrorism.I bid well for Pakistan may its army and intelligence follow the democratic govt. and judiciary
Sid
Jul 11, 2012 06:46am
Bhai Janin. My name Sid is reflection of my last name Siddique, but thanks for your smart assumption of sidartha. The Pakistani student turned resident guy caught in NJ while he was trying to flee to Pakistan after leaving car bomb was not caught by sting operation. Infact it was sheer luck that the bom was dud. In fact his scheme was far most successful. Since this is most recent I hope your otherwise selective memory loss capability will remember this. White collar crime rates of Indians ??????? Please enlighten us. And I will surely show you how many Pakistanis were involved. 80% of members are backward ????? In fact this very article states "average" household income is higher than average American household income
irfan
Jul 11, 2012 07:19am
you've assimilated pretty well... Scott is a pretty rare name in Pakistan. Were u called Scott here too?
irfan
Jul 11, 2012 07:26am
his name is Daniel, nayeem. You beg to differ yet are so defensive in your response. You also have a slave mentality, which is why you're gratifying daniel by calling him sir. Daniel is absolutely right... saving 80 grand a year and spending 200 grand on a bollywood styled wedding
Imran
Jul 11, 2012 07:27am
No danger of that Murali. We know exactly what Indians are.
TruthInTheLight
Jul 11, 2012 07:33am
Khan, I agree with much of what you say but ethic riots that result in the death of 2000 people is reprehensible but it is a far cry from genocide. Lets try to keep things in perspective.
John Doe
Jul 12, 2012 08:01am
Sure.
Singha
Jul 12, 2012 08:14am
Mr Harmani, You are not assimilating. You are what is called a 'coconut'. Brown on the outside, white inside.
Tauha
Jul 13, 2012 05:51am
most of them here the childish minds never know the history, how sad it is.
tauha
Jul 13, 2012 05:56am
two old friends (INDIA & PAKISTAN) fighting for no reason but showing their interest in each other by making comments on every comment.
tauha
Jul 13, 2012 06:29am
The discussions made above between my friends from different places of the beautiful planet earth depict that the British once made the so real a policy "Divide and Rule". In the century of modern globalization where man is dependent on another man or the needs of one man are fulfilled by the contribution of the whole society it is non-sense then to talk on biased issues and wasting fast running time on it. If we all would have discussed to make a policy on our local levels to help mitigate the global warming or to bring the best possible alternate source of energy or how the research can be made possible on the issues like that technology has removed the border barriers so why the governments put the nations on clashes with their neighbours. Unfortunately everyone measured the nations or the countries with the gauge of finance and economy of their country, it is materialistic approach and so ruined as well. Measure the nations that what they had with them in their history they came through and it is a social order that every nation or the society once gets his ultimate glory then has to fall down, it is with the entire history of the man ever since his evolution begun. So the Gotham Empire once ruled the Indian continent at some 600 AD then came the Mughals ruled until 19th century but all fell apart and here the rise of the American Civilization once they were the red indians with beautiful tribal culture they had. After 300 hundred years another will rule the world. So think in broader way and my friends do not be biased with the all nations of the world because everyone is dependent on every other entity.
abu-rehan
Jul 15, 2012 10:45am
can u prove ur statistics?
drkhan4
Jul 14, 2012 06:57am
Living in the US for the last 17 years and belonging to the Pakistani American community, I would like to share my observations. First of all, it is not right to measure a community's success by how much money it makes in the US, though money is one important aspect. Without commenting on the Indian community, I would like to point out that with a few exceptions, the Pakistani community mostly strives to earn in line with their Islamic values. For example, Pakistanis tend to not get involved in businesses which involve interest or selling Alcohol both of which are relatively easy ways of financial success. Having said this, Pakistanis do well in whatever field they work in, since the work hard.
Pradip
Jul 15, 2012 02:06am
Whoa, Sid, aka Siddique, that was quite a surprise! I too, would have assumed that you are Siddharth given your defense of India and now I know you are one of my fellow Indian brothers. Having said that, I also need to shake hands with my fellow brethren from across the frontier...let's just not get too carried away in this silly game of "I am better than you".