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General (retd) Pervez Musharraf. - AFP/File
KARACHI: As India has made a visibly marked effort to mourn with Pakistan and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has condemned the attack in Peshawar in no uncertain terms, former military ruler Pervez Musharraf has in an interview blamed Pakistan’s eastern neighbour and the former Afghan government of Hamid Karzai for the carnage.
In an interview with CNN-IBN, Musharraf, who himself was once a strong proponent of peace with India despite his prior role in the Kargil debacle, said in response to a question: "Do you know who is Maulana Fazlullah? He is the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan commander. He is in Afghanistan. And I am reasonably sure that he was supported by former Karzai government and RAW to carry out terror attacks in Pakistan."
The former president’s comments come as the nation is mourning the deaths of school children and other victims of the Taliban massacre and discussions are underway urging action along with introspection.
Musharraf accused Afghanistan of sheltering Fazlullah, saying the chief of Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) was “supported by the government of Hamid Karzai”.
He added that Fazlullah was “being supported by RAW to carry out these attacks in Pakistan”.
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Mushraf is 100% correct. How many more evidence you need to prove him right? The current govt has no guts to highlight this issue. I am afraid it is going to get worst on both side in coming months if sanity abandoned.
ON the contrary, it's believed that Taliban is the creation of Pakistan, Mr.Musharraf. Pathetic and desperate attempt to stay in news.
Till 2 years back he was roaming freely in Pakistan an had his own Radio . He still was doing the same .both the mehsuds were right under your nose in Pakistan . It was Nato forces who killed them when Pakistan will come out of this type conspiracy theory.
This foot in the mouse disease is still around?
Just a day after this barbaric action at Peshawar , the blame game by Musharraf have started. Could any one dream of such cocow
Yes blame Israel, India and America and close your eyes against the real enemies.....the fundamentalist extremists.....in another video recently Helary Clinton said ''you cant have poisnous snakes in your backyard and expect that they will only bite your neighbours''
Mr Mushraf it shows your level of thinking, only god will help you.
Everyone has a time. His is bygone! move on general!
Shameful comments by a general who is a terror businessman.The time to mourn the soulful loss of young children are been politicized by petty politicians and corrupt generals.
Its stupid comments like his and Hafiz Saeed that will inspire few Pakistanis to take arms against India. They will be trained for that but as soon as they see that government of Pakistan is against any form of terrorism they will point the Gun at their own people. and another carnage will happen.
This Hatred should stop now.
At this moment, i would like to request to Pakistani friends that do not give importance such type of conspiracy theories & show a firm determination to obliterate each & every single Terrorist, Fanatics without implementing GOOD & BAD TERRORIST theory & please don't spare mercy to your strategic assets as well. NO ILL WILL JUST BITTER TRUTH FOR YOUR BETTER PAKISTAN. Any logical person can understand this is just the case of you saw the wind you reap the whirlwind. Now show no mercy to these animals. Regards; AN INDIAN MUSLIM
Non sense as usual ! The conspirator of Kargil misadventure ...
Mush came to India few years back,during a press interview he was really thrashed by Mr Madni.Anyone can watch this on face book.He is ridiculous.
dont play blame game, India already suffered and suffering. who killed innocent people in Mumbai? yesterday Hafiz again playing Indian card with Pak people.
He is the most illiterate person in Pakistan history. Person who was dictator laid down his country's prestige at the bottom by doing Kargil and still letting down further...wake up Pakistan people..
General Shame on You ! We Indians are equally shocked by this brutal incident committed by barbaric Taliban. It is only you and some non sense Pakistani leadership who are responsible for nurturing the Taliban they are toady. Still you have the time to rectify the mistake or else many innocent children and common men of Pakistan will pay the price for your nonsense political ambition. One thing for sure nothing will happen to the political class of Pakistan and India as they enjoy heavy security which is otherwise meant for the public.
Yes you are right Mr ex President about the involvement of these countries as you were well aware of conspiracies during your tenure and you dragged Pakistan willingly into this so called war!
Mr. Modi stands amid highest doubts !
Living in a world of self denial, aren't we, Mr. Former Dictator?
A statement to keep himself in lime light
He is the same guy who very recently said we have an army apart from regular army- look what "your other army" is doing now. Really, for power god knows what all a man can do!
Shameful comment. It show how dignified this man was to handle Pak Army.
instead of continuing with the blame game dear mushy plz focus on eradicating terrorism from your country's soil. The Islamic Emirate of afghanistan, headed by the Taliban, which lasted from 1996 to 2001 gained diplomatic recognition from pakistan. Your army and the ISI were active in giving logistical support to these butchers during that period. The wikileaks docs clearly state this fact. I am shocked that in a moment when u shd focus on fighting these terrorists u choose to indulge in a blame game. Shame
Yes, it is true, things seems same what Musharraf says. Our enemies are being supported bu RAW and Afghani governments. They are responsible for killings of little angles and we will not let their blood in waste.
hatred hatred hatred, even at a time entire humanity feels devastated. I being on indian side, feel as much the pain as people in pak are feeling. Even at these times, people like him have the courage to fuel hatred between two nations. Snakes reared by fools like him are eating up the human lives regardless of borders. Shame on him. Atleast he should maintain the decorum of the offices he had held in past. A small child will have more sense than him. FOOL
Yes, this is the kind of thought that killed those 141.
Vinaash Kaale, Viparirt Buddhi: Sanskrit Shloka
Musharraf/Pakistani Army is smart, they know that Pakistani’s are idiots—blame India and this horrific incident will also be forgotten in no time.
Sir, please don't play politics at such a time. There are 140 families who are grieving and shocked beyond words. I work for an Indian MNC and on 16-17 December, all we did was grieve for those little angels. I have a child. You have a child. Today when I sent my child to school, I said a little prayer for safety. Please do not say anything which will trample upon our emotions.
Dear All Pakistani Friends,
Please wake up before to let. Don't be now the victim of such unhuman minded people. They know only to blame INDIA and gain there own position.
Please this is my humble request to everyone in both side boundaries to united against Terrorism, illiteracy, poverty.
All we are heartbroken by peshwar attack on innocent kids.
We should keep Humanity before any thing.
Look who is talking. He first played a Kargil then urged for peace with India then house arrested then giving statements against India every other day. Seems he has broken all records for creating mistrust within and outside Pakistan. When India and Pakistan seems coming closer he again spitted poison. Such are the guys who just want to enjoy being in public through their controversial remarks. Man you are good for nothing. Is this the correct time to give such political statements? Mr. Mush, I think (not sure) you will lose some of your respect(if any) within Pakistan as well by doing this. What an untimely coward statement from an ex-army officer. Indians actually cried with Pakistan but it seems these sort of guys cannot digest it. I would still say #IndiawithPakistan and Musharraf go to Hellistan.
This is BAD... I think Musharraf just trying to get sympathy by re-channelizing emotions of public ...
I would leave it to my Pakistani brethren to react to him.. We stand equally heartbroken with Pakistan right now..
Regardless of the truth.Indians commenting here, have to love India.
This general is correct on all these points.
Were you not the one who recognized taliban at that time when the whole world urged you not to? Now, conveniently puts the blame on India.
Everything he said is true, I seriously don't understand why does India have so many consulates in Afghanistan? There are no major people to people ties between India and Afghanistan, there are hardly a few thousand Afghan refugees living in India. There is no need for those consulates other than destabilisation of Pakistan. We have seen the proofs of Indian involvement in Baluchistan and FATA over and over again. And yet someone call a spade a spade dawn has to report it like Indians did a great favour to us by mourning for victims, on the other hand their Govt is the one which actually made them victim of this horrible crime! and moderators at Dawn please don't publish this comment as usual. Because you should publish comments from Indians blaming Pakistan for even this tragedy thats what your moderation means!
Some people never grow up...
We Indians are a peaceful lot. PTI doen't require anybody help to carryout their work. They are guided by their own principles and action to get it done violently. Mr. Musharf is scaptical because of he is an unprincipled man who doesn't care about peoples feelings.Hence what he said is as per his own principles.
Desperately trying to remain relevant. Problem is the desperation is evident.
Agreed with Musharaf on this issue. Mullah Fazalullah is fed by Indians in Afghanistan
The greatest threat to Pakistan is not Taliban per se...but so called leaders like these who practice denial.
Musharraf is acting all brave now.
Blaming a country in the open is not wise. We shouldnt be catching our neighbor's disease and jump to conclusions without evidence.
Musarraf it self has supported terrorism In India / In Afganistan, now want to show he is a saint .....
Musharraf’s statement carries substance of fact-based perception that such terrorist groups are being patronized for achieving certain agendas and objectives to destabilize Pakistan, the foes of Pakistan are well aware of the strength of PAK Army in thwarting such internal threats of terrorism, with external sponsorship.
yes general is very right.American r so mean they crying for help from our forces and protecting our enemies.He want to destroy our forces at any cost and afghan government 100% involve with them. for God sake repel all afghanies from pakistan with out wasting a second.they are responsible 80% criminal activities throughout pakistan.we feed there people from last 30years and they slay our child.what is waiting for our leadership now
How did he escaped the swat operation is mind boggling
LOL, conspiracy theories are emerging...
@Sethu This is no nonsence kiddo. Musharraf sb has hit the nail on its head. This time India has gone a bit too. Modi immediately realised this and potrayed thid false sympathy drama.
Statements like these are as horrifying as the killings of all our innocent children. They reek of the darkness of partition, that sacrifice of a million lives to fulfil misplaced ambitions of a handful of men - and we have not yet recovered from that divide that was implanted into our lives all those decades ago. It is only when the heart of one mother in India bleeds for that of a mother in Pakistan, when a father in India wishes he could rush to shoulder a Pakistani father stumbling under the grief of carrying his child's coffin, that we realise that humanity is the only religion that can save us. Let us make a promise to our children - that we will never again use them as shields in our wars of hate, denial, intolerance. We do not have an option but to come together in our humanity.
I seriously doubt that anything will change in Pakistan. India should start preparing for the worst.
To be in power in Pakistan you have to have anti India credentials but once in power you realize that its useless. He is no exception to it...We understand you wants to be in power
there is no doubt about it because india is stabbing in our back.
These kind of person always will remain in denial throughout their lifetime and blame others and sit relax.This kind of mentality has take the lives of 132 innocent childrens.If musshraf knows everything and has that much guts and inputs about terrorists why don't he eliminated terrorists in his rule time.Totally valueless fellow.
Musharraf statement is totally wrong about INDIA. India never support such kind of terror activities at any time. about 20 crore Muslims are living in INDIA peacefully including my family. We Indians, Pakisthanis and Bangladehis are brothers & sisters. Terrorists should be dealt with severely in Pakisthan .
"Reasonably sure"? Accusation without any evidence
What is the reason for ex-Pakistan CEO’s claims - is it to keep the terror infrastructure alive in Pakistan and stoke public opinion against India and Afghanistan!!! He should remember, India forgave him for his Kargil misadventure and feted him time and again during his visits to the country. Instead of working towards peace between two countries, he is willing to put the lives of innocent people of sub-continent at risk, thus ensuring our region remain backward at the world stage!!!
@Jay evidence? What evidence?
I respect Pervaiz Musharraf, as he was one of the best President and good for our country. However, this kind of statement doesn't suits at this time. Let's do our home work, prevent people from terrorizing our country, then we should blame others.
You have TTP on one hand and on top of that you have this little creature still living. First deal with TTP problem ...
And , So it starts again
When Pakistan got hurt we felt pain. But now we can see Pakistan is not learning anything. Please stop blaming & act against terrorism.
People like Musharraf and Hafiz Sayed are misleading an entire Pakistani nation. The result is in front of every one. Pakistan really does not need enemy from outside.
He is a wise men.
"Indian mourns with Pakistan" just browse indian newspapers and go through the comments you will get the taste of real indian response to this tragedy.
What Pakistan must do -
Pakistan must erase all sorts of terrorism. In whatever forms, shapes, names, ideologies or uniforms they come in.
The fight against terrorism must start at the ideological level, with the complete removal of old-school of thinking, people calling for violence in whatever names, all hate mongers and preachers. That should start with defining the "two nation theory" all over again. They need put a modern and progressive perspective vis-a-vis its own past and India.
Purge military from anti-india, pseudo-religious sentiments. Stop it from becoming a gun for hire in international disputes, from running a business of violence and from becoming political.
Purge your civil society from religious radicalization. Bring down all organizations, personalities and entities, who spread religious radicalization in the society. Destroy all of them, irrespective of whatever agenda they have. Make religious radicalization only form of Blasphemy in Pakistan and use death sentences for such acts.
Reform your education system. Your education system must be able to produce modern, progressive and thinking youth, not medieval baboons. Illiteracy and lack of awareness is a major factor being terrorism.
A large aspect of terrorism in pakistan is the absence of economic stability in Pakistan. You need jobs, housing, health-care, advance machines, engineering and industries, Infrastructure for your people.
Justice system - You need a modern, secular, fair and effective justice system. Zulm to zulm hai, barta he...to mit jata he. A society is built around the idea of justice, for ALL.
Chuck Hagel, the recent secretary of defense of the US has said pretty much the same thing on camera. I believe it can be found on Youtube.
He is an idiot and will remain idiot. he has never done good for pakistan and even in this sad time he is talking nonsense. have some shame, atleast now talk to build country. shameless. have mercy on yourself, atleast spare common people of pakistan. if you cannt spread peace atleast keep your idiotic mouth quite.
This is probably the simplest thing that such kind of so called big guns can come out with. You don't have to do any action for your incompetence but to blame a neighbour ......... keep it up General and enjoy your life ........ lives of those little angels have no meaning for you. Just blame India and your job is over.
@Rahmath Remember Mukti Bahni? Google keywords Mukti Bahni, RAW, KGB agent's confession
Ridiculous guy. He is Desperately trying to get people support to save his life. Just blame India, you will have most of the country backing you.
Mush is a looser. He lost the war he planned on India. He lost the confidence of this people and he lost his credibility in this world.
It is one of the saddest moments after the partition that Pakistan is facing today and we Indians are grieving with you all for the tragedy. Its sad that someone like Musharraf takes a political mileage out of this by taking India's name. Religious fanaticism and an hate India rhetoric are not the paths that Pakistan should follow. It is detrimental to both of us. I sincerely hope that both countries who are bonded by blood relations get together to wipe out this extremism and move towards cultural and economic progress as partners and not enemies. We both have suffered enough and it is futile and almost stupid to tread the same path in the future.
Sincere and heartfelt condolences to all Pakistani people in their time of mourning. May God give you the strength to cope with this.
I think it is time we stop blaming India for every single terrorist attack.
He is in isolation & he needs attention at any cost, Pakistan is paying coz of these type of people.....innocent children dies brutally but this man seeking it as a opportunity.....Dear Pakistani brothers, declare him as a National Villain, Shame!!
@Sohela
Truth is always bitter.
How come Musharraf did not condemn killing of children at school in Kabul recently. What about the innocents he killed at Lal Masjid. Did he count how many children died from his actions in Balochistan.
Completely agree with the General.. India has been using afghan based consulates to handle these babarians. during musharraf era they would dare not.. knowing the results and blowback full well.. but now with this inept govt india is flexing its proxy war efforts. we need musharraf more than ever now!! this babaric act reeks of indian involvement. this is RAW funded!!
@Jay Not sure what you call evidence. Hopefully you are not evenly remotely related to law/Police/lawyer community.
So India mourns with Pakistan, while Afghan Army Chief was the Guest of Honour at Indian Military Institute where 76 Afghans received their military training and went back to Afghanistan to join the Karzai's government Army (as officers), which openly supported Mullah's Fazuallah while the Afghan Army and US Intelligence, being fully aware of his location, in the Kunar province, looked the other way, instead of killing or arresting him. Hmmmm
So the point is the killers of Peshawar will not get punished as did the killers of Mumbai.
Hardly has the blood of the innocent children dried the blame game from Pakistan from elements within Pakistan. Wonder whether people who matter in Pakistan will ever learn their lessons. No wonder the country is in such a mess and it is ordinary people who suffer the most because of some misguided folk who hold the levers of power.
Someone is talking, truth is always very bitter. Even a child can summarize what he is saying, but no we have business interests to look after more than innocent lives.
He is absolutely correct. Anyone who has doubts please refer to Indian Army Chief VK Singh's confessions of sponsoring attacks in Pakistan.
Mushraf is an idiot. our country should stop supporting terrorism...this is not true islam
Its people of pak to make judgement now. Its hard to convince anyone anything..Forget it
We as a Pakistani or Indians have one thing in common.....our nationalism takes our rationalism away... We as Pakistanis have long been denying that Pak is involved in any kind of conspiracies to kill innocent people......while I as an ordinary Pakistani has no proof to support or deny such thing and I always suspect something wrong is definitely happening from our side.....now same logic Indians are applying. I respect my ISI and Indians should definitely respect their RAW...but we ordinary citizens cannot deny it with knowledge and proof coz we have none in our hand...... I think both India and Pakistan should sit together and see how can the Agencies be controlled to avoid killing innocent citizens in both countries..... I know its not easy..but if we continue this path then we will see many more tragedies like Peshawar and Mumbai... but jumping on the nationalism bandwagon and giving a clean chit to our own agencies is just simply wrong...... ISI, RAW, Afghan Int , CIA..........all are patriotic to their motherlands and in the same mindset.......they orchestrate horrendous plans to kill innocents in the name of national security...but all comes back from where it started..... i am sure that Indians will jump quickly to say that ISI started it and now paying the price........but an innocent citizen dying anywhere in the world is a tragedy....... and we as Ordinary Citizens have no proof to prove the innocence of our intelligence agencies but all are bad in this case..........and Musharraf has much more knowledge than what we know.......so he may have a valid point......
Love from Pakistan for all humanity......... and no hatred please..........
@Jay , evidence is abundant, be sure of that.
Musharraf’s statement carries substance of fact-based perception that such terrorist groups are being patronized for achieving certain agendas and objectives to destabilize Pakistan, the foes of Pakistan are well aware of the strength of PAK Army in thwarting such internal threats of terrorism, with external sponsorship.
he just blame it everywhere .did he provided a single proof or evidence ? no .
Forgive Mush dear readers. He now belongs to the dustbin of history. An irrelevant has been. There are grieving families to think of, injured kids to heal and a school and town to rebuild.
Those who do not believe that the terrorists were trained by the forces who are the enemies of Pakistan, for a moment think of your own son, daughter and loved ones... and imagine if you have to carry their dead bodies!!! Who would you immediately blame ???
It's unfortunate when India is mourning with Pak, some baseless allegations like this is heartening.
India is regional power , Pak should accept its hegemony and give up its right over Kashmir . And should start to live as Bangladesh are under Indian influence .... Other way it will be hard for Pak to stay intact.
Further Pak should give up any struggle to stop Indian its Afghan involvement ,India is regional super power , they have right to have influence in Afghanistan
Karzai spokesman Aimal Faizi admitted that Afghan intelligence longer had cooperated with Mehsud.
Indian intelligence
Afghanistan's newly elected president Ashraf Ghani has made it clear that he wants to improve relations with Pakistan, which he partly selected by visiting Islamabad last month. Nothing indicates that he still has stopped support for Tehreek-e-Taliban.
Although Afghan intelligence stops support for the Taliban in neighboring, it by no means certain that India will do it, he says.
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/pa...ul/a/23358016/
Musharraf didn't ACCUSE Kabul . I listened to his interview, he actually praised Ghani for his "balanced" approach ( Musharraf's expression in quote) . So let us not try to drive a wedge here, shall we?
Still the Pak army hasn't learned anything in these many years. These generals and ex-generals let their kids and pak civilians die just to remain dominant and eat a big chunk of the budget. This time again they have started accusing India to cover up there misdeeds of supporting good Taliban. I don't understand what Pakistan will get by letting its civilians die even if they get some strategic advantages in Afghanistan. Time has come to eliminate the terrorists whether they are good for us or bad.
Indian is seriously worried about the improving relations of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Obviously ,we have a long way to go but it is definitely not in India's interest if Pakistan has a better relation with any one in the neighborhood.
Mr Musharraf, pl keep quiet and be away from politics for few weeks at least. I am extremely sad at what has happened. Let me/us grief peacefully.
Grow up Pervaiz. These politicians may have a thousand words to condemn it, they may blame it upon India, Israel, America whoever. But we all know how to find the enemy, all we have to do is look within. We have an apologist within, each one of us. Everyone of us is a Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Fazlur Rehman and an Imran Khan. We secretly admire the Talibans and hope they'll liberate Kashmir for us, seize Afghanistan for our greater good. Strategic depth makes us apologists. All of us..
@Dr. Sadaf : They cannot be more then what we have for Hafeez Saeed involvement in Mumbai massacare
@abhi bhi pakistan akal nahi aaya ki kon uska dushman hai
Still like these people trying miss guide the genenal Pakistani...and also want to establish the more importancy of defence than Democratic system. Poor people... Wake up..think about you general people. Poor internal security system and unorganized defence. Strainge nobody questioning them about this. Defence if only a part of Democratic system, not decision maker.. Only they will obey elected government order.
True face of Ex dictator Mush. He stands behind Lashkar founder Hafiz Saeed.
Brave man.
Musharaf Who?
Musharaf is a spent force!
Pakistan needs only one thing to fight terrorism. INTENTION!!!!
@Dr. Sadaf
and please lay that evidence before us or any international forum.....when you are blaming India for the act...actually what you are doing is shielding the real perpetrators ...Mullah Fahadulah or Radio Mullah is a Pakistani creation..I read in Malalas book how her relatives would donate thier ornaments to him and after Malala was shot...I have seen umpteen number of his followers saying that Malala is a fraud and the incident is a hoax...This denial of yours has cost those lill one thier lifes...I would say you are equally guilty for giving every thing a conspiracy spin letting the real perpetrators get away along with the terrorists who pulled the trigger...shame on you
Still in denial mode keep it blaming other
Mr Mush - You earned your credit of being a general ): is it the time to bash around, when the nation is mourning ? You are making such comments being inside a home. What would it be when you are outside ? Let us have some dignity - outright liar.
So the politics begun ! ok ! after within day or two the hafiz saheed statement will come blaming india..!!
We both countrymen do one thing. just establish rule of law and country first nothing else.
musharaf may be right on this count but the question is that is he willing to share the blame? he planned the botched up kargil so should he be expecting peace from india? he ruled for 9 years plus; war on terror was during his time. he used to say that pakistan is the front line state in GWOT, however, despite having a rubber stamp parliament, he failed to enact laws to deal with special circumstances.
if he says that the current govt and the one before this one is inept, well, i would ask him y he promulgated NRO?
he is an incompetent soldier and inept person and many of our ills today r because of him, period!
Shame! for Musharraf (so called -the battle hardened soldier) it like any other violent incidence. Instead of condoling the parents he is playing politics. Sad to have people like him
Talk with proof Mr. EX-President. Its high time we stop blaming the world for our problems. How long will we live in denial? It has already cost us our bright children, how many more?
Shame on musharaf. seems Under house arrest he has gone insane. He is not understanding what he is uttering. It was during his rule that this radio talib was roaming freely and and ppl like musharaf were dancing to his tunes (over radio).
It is irony that ppl like him still turn their face around from truth and reality and allow their children and countrymen die- for just getting political mileage. Shame on u Musharaf
@Sohela Very well said.
Where was your voice when your own police were witnessing a Christain couple burnt alive by the mob three weeks ago in Pakistan
Such comments were expected....i am not surprised. I don't understand on what basis he is blaming India for this incident??? And most surprising thing is that general public in Pakistan trust this guy. Come on guys use your brains...Why would Narendra Modi do this??? His focus is not destruction ...rather to develop India to great extent. He really want to improve the relation with Pakistan. But this is ISI's and Parvez Musharraf's mindset that they don't want peace between both the countries.
@Dr. Sadaf : Where is the evidence?? Have you seen one case being filed in Pakistan on the evidence? One evidence accepted by international media. How many heads rolled in Pakistani establishment after Bin Laden was found napping right next to your military academy? Based on Indian evidence Hafiz Saeed has been declared as a terrorist, JuD has been banned. No one questions indian evidence on the international stage. Why not Pakistan try something like that?
Please remember Musharraf is past, the 132 little angels whom we lost (I am an Indian still I cried) was our future. Please dont support your past at the cost of your future.
There have been thousands of statements by the Pakistani leadership which contradict real life events. What fascinates me is your shameless propaganda even after a tragic event like this. You should have never opened your mouth after Abottabad incident.
musharaf himself allowed foreign mercenriec of death to roam freely on pakistan roads in vehicles with tinted glass and loaded with heavy sophiasticated weapons, no policeman ever dares to stop them for checking. And thats how these barbarians strike at will, with just a foolish nation who believe the attack was perpetrated by the taliban as they claim it on phone from "undisclosed" location,whatever fed by stupid media is accepted anyway. Solution, stop this war fought for the last 13-14 years, make ur directions right and know ur enemy. After all our army has conquered whole of the tribal area from bajaur to waziristan, and terrorists strice again and again and again suggesting v r fighting a futile war. v havent understoon who our enemy is. PS: There were no talibans when east pakistan was separated from west pakistan in 1971. Enemy then, is still enemy and will continue to wound us. wake up!!!
Ok. Another conspiracy theory. Serves well for your countrymen at this moment when people should come together and lend support to the people of Pakistan. Some people really does not want peace between India and Pakistan. Aren't you tired of fighting Mr. Musharraf?
Hope better sense prevails - message from India.
This guy has no pain for the ppl who died in attack, he is just interested on politics...shame on u Parvez Musharraf....
sympathies from indian people are respected. hes talking about RAW & Afghans not indian people.
Mr. musharraf please stop this theory,peoples of pak and india are fedup with this theory
hope less thought by mr. musharraf
@Imran
How can India possibly benefit from perpetrating these attacks? No way. It is obvious that these attacks are an expected back lash of Zarb-e-Azb. I'm afraid Musharraf will lose credibility among his dwindling supporters here.
Dear Dawn,,Please post photos of Indian school children offering 2minutes silence for their friends in Pakistan..This is spontaneous.Our PM asked all school children and everyone came out in sympathy.Just show the photo of KISS/KIIT University photo from Odisha, India in todays Times of India..your people can judge how we in India feel..And this is height of stupidity to link India with this heinous crime against humanity. May God grant sanity to politicians of Pakistan..
Hence proved, few people are still not looking Terrorism in totality. They are creating excuse to target eastern neighbour. I don't see terrorism being wiped out if such attitude is taken against the real problem itself.
If you create and preach hatred, then you are more likely to be hated by same elements. Poison is Poison.
It is a cheap tactics to stay in news / limelight
Musharraf is spot on. Indian agency RAW is funding these terrorist operations in Pakistan through Afghanistan - this proxy war has to stop! For the Indian friends who believe that India has no hand in this, please wake up. India has a long history of killing and suppressing people, Sikhs, Kashmiris, the North of India , China war, Pakistan war, fiddling in Bangladesh, sitting in the arms of Russia, America, Israel etc, all at the same time. India is a rogue state and is acting coyly to destroy its neighbours. There is a reason why all the neighbours hate India, and that is Indian hypocrisy and aim for hegemony in the region. Please stand up to the rogue RAW or else India will face similar attacks and this will be a non-ending fight.
This retired general is well past his sell by date. His accusations are always the same based on his personal hate agenda and not facts or reality. He has a fertile devious imagination. If he thinks that by accusing establishment officials in Afghanistan & India and sounding an ultra strong military man he will curry favour with the ordinary balanced level headed people of the country he is sadly mistaken. He might fool the intolerant hardliners with militant tendencies who are nascent TTP themselves who live 'hate.' His time is truly up. Senility is setting in. He should consult a specialist geriatric specialist.
@Sohela The disease never went away
@rehan in denial again...he is not great...
Musharraf is right. U.S defense secretary Chuck Hagel in a report to the U S Senate blamed India to launch proxy war against Pakistan from Afghan soil. Pakistan should go after TTP and her supporters in any way and let world see the real truth.
Pakistanis are the greatest threat to themselves. The threats from India and Afghanistan do not even compare to scale of threat from their rotten ideologies.
I am amused at the charged reaction of Indians whenever Musharraf speaks, It shows he must be saying something right. Regarding blame game, it must be remembered during Mumbai attacks, while the battles were still being fought with the militants, Indians had already started blaming Pakistan without starting any sort of investigation, as is their habit. Secondly, all he is saying is that the main commanders of TTP including the head are based in Afghanistan with the support and knowledge of Afghan and Indian intelligence. If anyone finds it hard to digest this fact, just google this name 'Latifullah Mehsud'.
Time to end the proxy war between India and Pakistan. Gen shareef should have flown to India to sit down and talk to gen Dinah singh to end this conflict
Now a hindu majority india tells pakistani taliban (student of Islam as i understand) to kill muslim children and they do it. Not convincing argument. As some one said "If you can't convince them, confuse them" is the motto of the rulers. American drones were wiping out terrorists, it did not go well with pakistani politicians. I wonder why.
Few months ago US forces found a TTP terrorist at an afghan base. He was being with afghan forces what looked like a meeting.us forces intervened and captured the terrorist. He was handed over to Pakistan 2 weeks ago. It proves that afghan army is now fighting a proxy war with Indian support to counter Pakistan's support of afghan Taliban. So as I said earlier, gen shareef should have gone to Delhi to meet gen Dinah singh to end this proxy war. Its the only solution
Indians conveniently forget that their country provided material support to deadliest Tamil tigers who killed scores of innocent people. Now they find it hard to believe that their secret service may be in cohoots with afghan army to destabilize pakistan
@FREE INDIAN Yeah true with the peace in Kashmir and the love showered on Maoists Indians are as peaceful as that guy who bombs muslims yet is getting Noble Peace Prize. Yeah just like Mr. Modi of Gujrat fame.
@telling the truth it seems never
@True Fact If u are aware just few months ago the taliban had attacked the indian consulate in Afghanistan which they were unsuccessful...so how can u say indian consulate is taking the help of taliban to attack pakistan ???
To all indian commenters if u do such passionate research on raw. U ll know facts. Wot u guys did in 1971 u stll deny and blame pak. Same things n conspiracies u t doing now. So stop readong news from our leaders try to do some research on ur raw to get ur facts straight
And what benefit will India get from attacking schools ???? Musharraf should think before he talks .....Taliban is against education for girls and so it is their mindset that led them to commit such crimes ...so why drag India into this ???
@arslan The reason india has so many consulates in afghanistan is because india has a huge role in the development of afghanistan ....
Pakistan is back to its old game again. Can't believe that the world's biggest terrorist was near a military area without Musharraf knowing about it.
Most of Pakistanis love conspiracy theories because it keeps them away from reality and give them reason to be failure. This is the man who joined this war 15 years ago and manipulated it to keep himself in the power and earn dollars. Now he is living abroad while we are getting killed every day.
Having overthrown an elected Government this Dictator should have been tried for Treason and jailed. His duplicity and deceit in the War on Terror has eroded Pakistan's standing in the International community and ensured the country continues to bleed copiously. Now he falsely believes that by adding fuel to fire he can redeem himself in the peoples court. Very unfortunate that Pakistan is unable to find itself leaders who can identify the problems of the country and solve them.
If anyone after ZA Bhutto and Zia has done more harm to Pakistan then he is no other person then Mushraf..with his LEVEL of thinking I am sure if he was in India army he would have risen to be a TIME SCALE LT COLONEL. nothing more..
Musharaff is only partial right..I guess ..May be may be not..Dont know for sure...India wants to teach Pak army and its leaders that 'There is no good or bad taliban. If Pak army praises Pak taliban but wages war against ONLY afghan taliban, why would India will sit silent...So according to Musharaff, its ok for Pak taliban to kill indians, but afghan taliban shouldnt kill Pakistanis..What a double standard..Why would India sit silent???May be its helping afghan taliban to teach Pak army(NOT ITS PEOPLE) a lesson.....the question is will it learn???It doesnt seem so...Nawaz mia appears sincere..BUT HE IS WEAK...Change should come FROM PAK PEOPLE..They should stop PRAISING PAK ARMY and seek its downfall..Then Pak politicians will kill pak taliban after which Indian will stop SO CALLED support to afghan taliban...
I do not know how a person who is accused of treason can talk to TV. He captured the power by over throughing an elected government and still he roams freely in Pakistan. Usually the Army will always tell some conspiracy theory to be in power. Nowhere in the world the Army rule had brought prosperity to a nations. Pakistan people should understand this and keep the army only for country's Defense.
Pakistan Don't Need Enemies.
You are the man Sir,
Musharraf has done no different to what India and Indian media does and that is to blame Pakistan, however Pakistan's media and its current government has not made a hue and cry like India does. India should realise that the attacks taking place inside Pakistan, if Pakistan has no control over it then why should India blame Pakistan for the massacre like the Bombay attack. India should unite and help Pakistan to help itself.
Musharraf regularly visits India.In fact after exile from Pakistan he visited India for many seminars like Hindustan Leadership Summit. He was responsible for Kargil War but still he finds himself more safe in India than Pakistan.This illuminates the Truth.Why India is different than Pakistan.We have few Hindu & Muslim fanatics here in India but we know how to keep them in control.
@tac I agree with you that there might be some hateful comments in Indian newspaper but that does not reflect the true feelings of entire Indian population of 1.2 billion... Trust me an average Indian is as moved by this incidence as anybody in Pakistan...important thing now is to build trust...
Typical ridiculous Musharraf double-speak. If Fazlullah is supported by RAW, why did you not deport him to India? Come on friend, you destroy your own credibiiity and relevance. And of course tomorrow you will claim that it was Indians who supported the attackers on India in Kargil , and the Pakistan army, who in fact were trying to stop the attack on India, lost a few soldiers, so would the West please give some more military aid and money to the Pak army!
If the people like musharaf and saeed are true then why not ur pm and army cheif make strong satement against..why pakistan not want to see what the world the whole world saw...whatever happen in ur country u start pointiing on other country like us,india,afghanistan..why not u see that ur political leader support that TTP who are responsible for this brutal crime that is not acceptable to any religion on the name of jihad....so please guys if really want to do this type of attack on ur country why not they try to hit the saeed or d compony head....when the TTP clearly said that he was doing this for taking revange..so whats the point in it to said that is organised by india....2 year back these people attack nobel prize winner malala and after that countinusly hitting the school and other area near peshawar....so plz stop blaiming others and start making better pakistanand free pakistan from these idealogy.
Dear Mr. Mushraff, Do not spread hatred on every opportunity. Everybody knows, who created Taliban and use. Both neighbours of Pakistan will keep counting mistakes each other and spread hatred, we are not going to achieve any good thing. You are peace initiative was not taken seriously by India, because you were the creator of Kargil war and a military dictactor's agreement people will not honour. Hence work for peace.
@Imran very well said. Also please tell All the Politicians with a Musharraf mindset that India never rejoiced any terror attack on Pakistani soil. We were always pained.
I'm a big supporter of musharaf but on this one I don't agree the terrorists are very much a part of our society
As the former general and president who funded and armed Taliban, Musharraf is one of the responsible for this carnage of Pakistani babies. He knows that questions will be raised so he is defending himself by blaming India. As an Indian I can say that these small babies are like Indian babies and we can never even imagine doing something like this.
@Ample reverence for Saudis why do you use such an identity Is it pun? If no pun is intended then it really is hilarious
@telling the truth the same way Dawood Ibrahim was roaming the roads of Bombay and meeting celebrities, right? Then why blame other countries for supporting him?
Perhaps Pakistan will come out of this type conspiracy theory, once India does too...or maybe they are not conspiracy theory
@M Mohan Did it not start the next day of Mumbai attacks and also the Parliament attack...or wait wasn't it the same day? COCOW that my friend
Please stop this blame gain at this period of grief.This blame game has not solved anything. All the three countries are victims and let's fight this menace together. Please stop categorisation of terrorists. By that account; Mumbai terror attackers are being sheltered in Pakistan. Stop feeding these snakes.
@Samuel j - I think its time to call a spade a spade. We should unilaterally deal with the hideouts in Afghanistan and also see to the closure of umpteenth embassies of our neighbors in remote towns of Afghanistan close to Pakistan border, who for sure are not for issuing visas otherwise there will be more Afghans in our neighboring country than the Afghanistan itself - specially since there is no more a puppet government in Afghanistan
Till Kayani was in charge, moulana & TTP were friends of pakistan. They were used as assets against India. Under US pressure Govt. acted against TTP and eventually they became enemies. Now, Hafeez said is friend because he is working against India. Eventually, same story repeats. When will people of pakistan realize this? blame on India is to divert the attention of public from facts...people of pakistan should realize this!
@nick Musharraf Thrashed?!!! Mate every time he has spoken in India it has been the other way round. You better watch the footage again and stop making a fool of yourself.
Dear Pakistani Brothers, this is the time when the whole world should unite and ensure that terrorism is wiped out. Do not get carried away with these kinds of politicians who are not concerned about the grief of the entire world. I am sure the whole world is saddened by what has happened including India. I pray that God to provide strength to the bereaved family.
Mr . Musharaf, request you to please understand the situation and instead of poisoning the minds of people like us, please support your current government to destroy the terrorist. PLEASE DO NOT GAIN BROWNIE POINTS MAKING SUCH STATEMENTS. Think out of the box if you are even thinking of forming the government.
@sharabi - What could have India Sown to reap Mumbai blast, Parliament Attacks, Gujrat massacre and the Red Corridoor? Beats me...A Pakistani Hindu
i 100% agree with M usharaf
Mushraf is 1000% correct.
@I - What does it make out of the Indian Population? Remember the Mumbai blasts and Parliament Attach - I try to recall who did the Indian (smart) army blame? Beats me
@saad s : Unlike Pakistan RAW is not different from Indian people. It follows the dictates of the democratic government. Until now it was reporting to the Prime Minister and now under Modi it has been relegated to the Home Minister.
Once again back to square one. Pakistan don't be in self denial mode for if not will decimate you with cancer. India is never your enemy.
Musharaf himself is the root cause of all the problem in Pakistan after 9/11. Did he not proclaim that Pakistan collected bounty from US for handing over Taliban supporters to US. Did he not allow US bases in Pakistan to be used to bomb Afghanistan. When a nation adopts such a behavior against their own people and to please the west to bomb the homes of their own citizens and create a chaos within its boundaries than the end result is what we are seeing. For the politicians, please stop trumping to the world the sacrifies Pakistan is doing for the world. Your scarifies are for the dollars you are earning at the expense of your nation. Saner elements have to rise with in the nation to bring this madness to end on both sides. Let us not forget the killing of Baluch population and dumping of their bodies. Just before writing this comment, I finished reading the speech of Mr. Jinnah which he delivered in Lahore on 30th October 1947. All I have to say that as a nation we have FAILED him.
Sorry to say this at the time of grief but few more people like Musharaf and sayyed are capable destruction of Pakistan no other external force required.
Musharraf is right and common Indians should try to listen without being biased ... your channels have being fueling nonsense rage since 16rh and now one factual interview is Not bearable to you heavenly creatures. And shame on us Pakistani authorities who can't openly lay out the facts.... Nobody asking for war, but at least layout the facts.... Of course Dawn won't post this comment cuz it is open for indian comments only.
@ all indian friends... Read Norway Man comment above.... Additionally he is not Indians, your condolences are welcome but not RAW...
During the Taliban's leadership of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, only Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates recognized their government as legitimate. Though they received funding and weapons during the anti-Communist mujahideen resistance from the CIA during the 1980s, support now comes largely from the tribal regions where the Taliban operates, as well as from the Pakistani ISI.
http://web.stanford.edu/group/mappingmilitants/cgi-bin/groups/view/367
He was very proud of supporting the Taliban a few weeks ago.
"Speaking to the Youth Parliament here, Musharraf pointed out that Pakistan was the only country that recognized the Taliban government in Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 as Saudi Arabia and the UAE later also backed out"
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Recognizing-Taliban-govt-in-Afghanistan-was-blunder-Musharraf/articleshow/45380308.cms
People like Musharraf have been the root cause of terrorism. Not because of ideology, but because of a hunger for power and accepting such inhuman allies in a quest to stay ahead of local political rivals and India.
The tough straight talking strong man. Dreaded by his enemies.
I welcome Gen. Mosharraf to expose the secrets he knows as a British agent. I would love to see Newaz Sharif to dock Gen. Mosharraf for killing 80 madrasa children in Oct.2006 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/31/pakistan.declanwalsh). The intelligence community elite of all the countries of the sub-continent except current regime of Sri Lanka are collaborators of British intelligence. Since the Anglo-American forces occupied Afghanistan - Britain is the key player inside Afghan administration, intelligence and security. Whenever Hamid Karzai speaks against the Americans - we understand, he has been asked by the British to do so. It is precious information from Mosharraf that Hamid Karzai is the head of TTP!!!
It sounds very plausible. TTP seems to have financial and logistic support of India, particularly under Karzai. Does the intelligence of Pakistan have a proof, if yes why not expose it? It is not enough for the international community to hear or read blames.
@NORI Taliban were not created but sprang up against local Afghan war lords. Its an effort, just teaching you people factual history, and weaning you all away from the Indian taught, ' everything is Pakistan's fault'.
@Mohan Kishore D God has always helped him.
@Sethu Musharaf for president again.
dear prime minister Nawaz Sharif sahib please give maximum budget to security instituitions and give your attention to security keeping armed forces interior ministry in provinces and federation and ask all the insttuitions to work in unison,we are in 21st century and blaming others is an excuse we can not afford further
@Lazarus you are so contraived.
We did nothing General, Many people in India could not sleep that night,if u want to be in news, keep saying what u want....but for the sake of humanity, for the love of god..... they killed the kids...... at least open ur eyes now.....
From India
@NORI no he is stating a fact everybody know where TTP is leader why there is no action against him?
@Rationalist nobody is blaming anybody also are your eyes open is India not trying to dominate the region and create influence in Afghanistan how do you India does that?
yes India did all these in Pakistan .. !! Only you can think of such Thing Mr Musharraf The greatest brain in Pakistan is speaking, Keep the Good work. I hope you were not well trained .. Oh oh oh you got your education in Pakistan only .. so sorry. God save Pakistan
Mush is perhaps correct, TTP finds safe havens in Afghanistan. And yes why would India not support anti-Pak forces though not necessarily directly involved in any such acts or attacks. But the issue remains, we are unable to defend ourselves as the cancer is actually spread in our own body.
Such statements remind me of B grade bollywoood movies that have no substance. There is no dearth of sick minds. It is time that the people of Pakistan reject the have beens and force the government onto a path pf peace and progress.
@arslan Dear Arslan why you are blaming indians. We are not that support any one who will use attack on student. and trust Modi is supporter of growth not terrorist Pakistan have to learn from this incident that terrarisum is only finish us it will not help any one so Pakistan have to make friendship with india and fight against terrorist.
what is going in pakistan for it only pakistan is responsible who have support terrorist now they are tiring to finish pakistan. But As Pakistani are our brother definately we separeted from each other but before independence we were belong from same country by blaming each other problem will not solve,no one pakistani and indian have got good life because of such incident. We have to learn to love each other and try to help each other to improve standard of living, and opposing terrorist activity.
I pray for all family of those student who give their life without any reason. There is nothing is bad than attacking on innocent student. god will definitely punish them who have done this.
I'm sorry for those people who are complaining that only one day has passed and Musharaf has started blaming Indians but you seem to forget that God forbid when incidents like this happen in India then Pakistan gets the blame immediately they never even wait a few hours. We all I think need to stop the proxy wars against each other and try to live like normal human beings for a change. I say that if we can not be friends then stop being enemies for about a year and then see what we gain. We can rule the world in business,science, and many more industries.Live and let live.
Consider this: Does anyone really believe that that this Fazlullah will co-operate with India? Does anyone think India will aid such a guy, when the living example of pakistan which supported such jihadi groups, now paying back with its children's lives in front of a horrified world, is there for all to see?
With this one mindless allegation you have fallen down a thousand steps, Mr Musharraf. I dont think you have the good of pakistan in mind anymore, unlike earlier, when It looked like that, even if it meant harming others.
-bulX
I am not surprised At General Musharraf's senseless statements. Coming from a former General It is truly pathetic.One would imagine he would know better. He is trying to get a platform to speak. He will get no audiance.This is a man who recently told Pakistan that Kargil was a revenge attack for 1971. He did not say that during or before that Kargil war.All o it shows his poor judgement and desperate attempt to come back into the lime light. Move on General ge Gracefully.
If he is reasonable sure, show proof. Is this the time to put forward such allegations that can create more hate? Or is it better to encourage more love and passion between neighbours?
Once there were two men they got into a fight in middle of the street. The bigger man was beating the feeble man relentless to the extant that feeble was bleeding heavily, but still the bigger man was crying non-stop. The people in the crowd were amazed at asked the bigger man why are you crying when you are the one who is giving the massive blows. He answered "I am crying because I fear the time when this feeble man will able to give me similar blows" So my friends and celebrities this is exactly what us Indians are doing to Pakistan keep up the good work, but do fear when Pakistan is in a position to give the beating.
I'm a common Indian, there is no way I can guess what ISI and RAW are doing. Only thing we should believe in is credible evidences like intercepted conversations and funding trails, we should never believe these rogue political statements. So far only India was able produce credible evidences against Pakistan in front of international community. So far Pakistan could not produce any credible evidence against India other than Russian vodka bottles. Rational and intelligent Pakistan should standup against these evil statements. If you really find Indian hand in any wrong doing then expose India with proper evidence that can stand in front of world.
@Jay What evidence...?
@Mohan Kishore D God can't help the ignorant
@Ajay vikram Singh Your RAW dream list, indeed! India is the source of allterrorism in Pakistan!
Gen. Musharaff is talking from experience! He is right on the money!
I am an indian and feeling tragic about murder of innocent children. In this instance though; I fully agree with Musharraf that RAW supports such organisations - I am criticizing my own govt because young children were killed.
I stand by the General's words. He is spot on correct. Everything he says is already confirmed - especially regarding the whereabouts of Mullah Fazlullah. Its no coincidence that COAS General Sharif rushed to Kabul to apply pressure on Afghan government to hand him over. We need assertive people to handle our foreign policy. Thank God for the military.
Same old blame game. No wonder we are seeing these horrifific incidents.
Pakistan was supporter of Taliban, Musharaf was one who took U turn and supported USA against Taliban. After this many of militants turned guns towards Pakistan. This guy want to justify Kargil, he want to show that he is a huge leader. Cashing people's sentiments is must for him, else he will not survive.
He must have reason to say that; knows much more than most of us criticizing him.
Indians would never support anyone to do such an heinous act, not even against its enemy.
With denials and conspiracy theories no change in policies to avert future carnage is likely.
This seems like an anti-Musharraf article, too bad he's right, but it cant just be RAW or Afghanistan.....somewhere along the line Pakistanis are involved as well.
@Abhishek Tomar, what sort of cooked up story you have when your own people testified and provided the evidence, apart from all this children have never been targeted in your country, just think about it for a second. Targeting innocents has no justification.
If you have so much information and you get it so fast, then why didn't you stop it?
@shuaib
great & great thinking today , with this narrow mind you will spoil your self & your country,
ready some time back one of army general told our enemy is within the country & not outside.
no one in this world can save your country
The saddest part of this farce can be found in the tacit agreement that many Pakistani commentators below have with this man. This, after the horror that unfolded just a day ago. I hoped against hope that this would become Pakistan's 9-11 moment, that at least something hopeful could be extracted from the ruins of this barbarism, but looks like it's not going to happen. If this is the narrative that STILL appeals to the Pakistani people, I see very little hope.
This man either do not know how much we Indians cried during last 2 days or he is knowingly giving such statements to remain in news. We love Pakistani people as much as our own people. Just few selfish men like him are dividing us for their own benefit.
WOW!!! Dawn is taken over by Indians.
@sadia
bangladeshi were right they knew there identity and culture well and have groomed into a well modern country with progressive mind and not consumed by islamic terrorissm ,presently what we say islamic terrorism is ruining islamic religion ,islamic terrorism was born due to western politics .
Pakistan should identify there rich culture and do not follow blindly what we all say terrorism and became a very social modern society in fact they have the richness .What I see is that pakistan should learn from Bangladesh and do not envy there partition but love your own culture as bangladeshi does.
sunil lakhanpal ahmedabad,India.
Musharraf Saheb is not yet satisfied!
Musharraf is a real patriot and has the guts to stare the facts which nawaz is scared to say because he is a coward and a weak person
@FREE INDIAN , really well ,it is not PTI but TTP, please pay attention to your spellings.
@Arun , I wish it was my duty to bring out the evidence I would have done it a long time back, it is not my job to do it but after this lot of people are gathering on a platform and we will urge our govt. to come out with the truth. Enough is enough now we will not tolerate this anymore. There is no love lost between the two countries so start facing the realities.
I read all of your comments and I found that everyone is just playing a blame game and nobody is even interested to contemplate about what they have been doing. Erstwhile President w Musharaf we all know was part of the great game played by the West and Pakistan has been the scrapegoat since 1960s. We all must know who our real enemy is..... As for india, it is out of question that both countries have assessed assaults in each other territories since indrpendence, but we are forgetting one thing it all started the day India occupied Kashmir heinously and in violation of the propositions of the partition plan. Terrorists attacks we have experienced till now will still continue until both countries settle their differences and the Kashmir Impasse according to the UN declarations about Right of Self Determination
What Pakistan needs is a leader like Kemal Ataturk.
100% correct....from my point of view......
I appreciate the honesty and bravery that Musharraf showed in CNN interview. Some of the comments I read, you really think a rag tag group of illiterate Talibans can pull such a gruesome attack on a guarded facility. Any person with some common sense will think there must be some support or backing from very organized entity. The only 1 think comes to mind that has something to gain having an anarchy in Pakistan is Indian Intelligent agency RAW. To my indian friends, you forgot the time when every indian leader was blaming Pakistan for the mumbai carnage even when it was happening and not waiting for any kind of investigation. I am 100% convince that there are powers behind these low level terrorist because they cannot get away with this kind of massacre without support from outside Pakistan. I just pray for these children parents/guardians in this tough time.
I am a Pakistani citizen.
One thing I never understood. Why do we expect garlands, cake and flowers from enemy. I simply ask one question. What were we doing to protect ourselves from such horrific incidents.
India, India, India..... please come up with a plan and courage instead of crying foul.
@Wachucha yes, courtesy higher education rate.
Musharraf has proved, once a loser, always a loser.
Musharaf and certain elements in Pakistan proved time and again that friendship between India and Pakistan particularly between common people is threat to there existence. Let me remind people of Pakistan same Nawaz Sharif and Vajpayee made tremendous progress in our friendship and this same person is responsible for Kargil misadventure which again killed so many young soldiers who were only few years older than kids, in my view many soldiers who killed in kargil are only in early 20s are still just kids. Once people of Pakistan become friends they will not tolerate there own Army there dictatorship. Musharaf gave direct permission to USA to drone sovereign Pakistan, they made Jinnah's Pakistan into a hiding place for terrorist from all over the place including Dawood and Hafeez Syed
People of Pakistan need to question themselves did Jinnah created Pakistan for Osama bin laden Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Syed, Zakhir Rehaman Lakqvi and other terrorist,
And this man was running your country? You need more intelligent leaders.
@Zak : "The tough straight talking strong man. Dreaded by his enemies." You truly are a riot Zak...LOL...He lost all his wars....dreaded by enemies indeed..LOL
@goldconsumer Does world labelled Mukti Bahini as a terrorist outfit and banned it? For Bangladeshi Muktibahini was their freedom struggle against the oppression of Pakistan.
@Jasim Khan Mumbai police had intercepted the comminque between Ajmal Kasab and its handler in Pakistan at the same moment when they were busy with murdering people.India had provided all the evidence to Pakistani authority but Pakistan as usual behave like a spoilsport. If Pakistan would have acted against the terrorist then Peshavar would have never been happened.
Does Pakistan has any concrete evidence against India's involvment in Peshavar Incident or it is just a vague blaim game. India had provided so many evidence against Pakistan's involvment and there are training camps running in pakistani terrotories.
I think this has started an end to the whole great game. Now Pakistan has the drone that can be used as the US have doing after 9/11 push of button. This is totally to the benefit of Pakistan but at a un-repairable cost. If you can blame these miscreants as Muslims after 9/11 or Mumbai, we have the right also to label them as Jew or Hindu after this.
@zarshan ahmed tariq . Really Sir? Rather than condoning act of terror, it is convenient to deny, disown and label them as others. What would you name Peshawar attackers - same Jew, Hindu etc?
we appreciate your emotion and favor. but musharaf is correct. we has proof and he already showed proof to white house. Allah will take revenge. we handover this situation to Allah.
My dear Indian friends just need to know one thing. Musharraf is not an elected leader of Pakistan so what he says he says in his personal capacity and does not reflect the mindset of the country. Number 2 and most importantly, Wasn't it India whom showed the unwarranted affection toward Musharaff when he was the President despite knowing he was an usurper?
General Musharraf has setup Pakistan for a major failure . It does not look like Pakistan Leaders are willing to learn from mistakes. What will take for a General to admit a mistake(S) and change course. Pakistan now needs a little bit of healing and it is time you step up and provide some healing.
@arslan No people to people ties.....as people Indians were there before 1947 we were all under British India. There are many Afghan refugees in India. We recognize that Afghan youth are being misled into terrorist activities not just against Pakistan but against us as well. India is only strengthening the Afghan government, a stable Afghanistan will be beneficial for the region as a whole.
indians are as much as in grief & mourn as Pakistan ,,,,,,, have you seen chines schools mourning in their schools/,,,,, ????????? for Peshawar Carnegie ??????
Musharraf has a single point agenda i.e. to somehow escape the treason charges against him. In his mind, the only way to do that is to keep making anti-India statements, however ridiculous they may be. During his trial, he will claim that he is is more Pakistani than anyone else, since he has the maximum anti-India tirades to his credit.
@Afzal Qureshi : So, Afzal, you are SURE the killers in the Peshawar massacre are Afghans? Your post sounds very similar to Nazi fascism!
Politics based on religious fundamentalism is the root cause for evil acts like the one which has killed hundreds of innocent children! Unfortunately religious fundamentalism is growing also on the other side of the border! RSS, Bajrangdal VHP and the like steadily extend their grip on the ignorant masses! The enemy is within each nation and successive rulers, including Musharraf have encouraged them for their own ends!
@arslan ignorance on this scale is not bliss my friend.
@arslan.. Dear i m from Delhi,India nd fully sympathise u in ur great loss of little Angels going away untimed. I heard ur views about India being the reason for it but dear suggest me one thing please 1. Under whose patronage Pakistan Taliban was created, Its Musharaf... 2. Who used Pakistan Taliban to assasinate Benzir, it was Musharaf.. Musharaf while being the Army chief nd Dictator patronised Taliban and when it hit the chord of life of pakistan, Point it to India. Not right dear.. Your grief is my Grief and as your loss is.. But in this wee hour of humanitarian crisis if we dont prevail towards right path whole of humanity would be in Crisis in near future, Not only Pakistan.... Have a blessed life dear!!! ..
Did he implied that since he himself as general nurtured the terrorist group is also a culprit! Once a person from Pakistan civil society urged indians to forge relationship with pakistan and when India get hurt by terrorist , India should go for more stronger ties. Then I find that irrational but now I am able to understand that. Wish govt of India should understand this. May be there are differences but still both country want regional peace and should start to bring some framework.
He is doing another disservice to Pakistan by trying to divert attention from real culprits.
@qasim By their blood I guess you are referring to blood of those terrorist .After all Qasim will remain a patron of Ghazni not peace.
He is absolutely right. He is the man.
For god sake please make me to understand this why India put any effort to destablise Pakistan when such dictators, religious fundamentalist and local warlords are doing that job so perfectly. Terrorism affected few families in India but it destroyed entire generation of pakistan till date. Moreover a stable and peaceful Pakistan is in interest of India. Afghanistan is placed in very good geographical position. The day these terrorist will vanish Afghanistan will be a important junction.Whether reaching Russia, China, Central Asia or middle east Afghanistan is the main transit. Why India should not focus on such important area. Please grow up. Medievel era has gone.
Truth hurts and it is quite evident loo at those recommendations below in multiple 100's. Reality bites, and I is biting hard.
If you feel India is supporting Taliban, just note what Maulana Aziz who refused to condemn the school children messacre, said in the Friday sermon that there were no differences between the Taliban of Afghanistan and those in Pakistan. They are like brother. If you're serious please go get him, he is in your backyard in the Lal Masjid. You will have one less of Taliban. Believe us India will be very happy with one Taliban gone.
India, America or for that matter any other country need not do anything to destabilize Pakistan. People like Musharaf will do that job perfectly by poisoning the minds of Pakistanis. Without power, he has gone mad.
2 all who think dat musharraf is right. ......If India is really helping afghan taliban then why attacks have occurred on the Indian embassy in Afghanistan by afghan taliban? ??
@arslan ha ha yes keep on your chosen path n we r not too far from the day pakistan will be in another civil war with consequences far reaching
Arslan: There many Afghanis studying and working in India. If you go to the prominent malls in Delhi, you will find many Afghani youngsters working. Unlike in Afghanistan, they can be what they are and wear what they want. :) The other day I met a lovely young Afghani lady working for a foreign beauty brand. She was of a Uzbek origin and loves it in India. She blames Pakistan for the mess in the country.
While not ignoring our own shortcomings, the cold hard fact remains that illiterate villagers, previously goat herders, get all the ammunition and go techy? Where does that support come from? By selling goat cheese? Also, these tactics are applied globally and many nations have been doing this. On the flip side, they have also been manipulating economic constraints, falling oil prices to strain Russian economy currently. While drones are a new thing, these strategies are old and widely used.
@arslan India has 4 consulates as does Pakistan in exactly the same cities. India has many development/infrastructure projects its funding worth billions but why does Pakistan need so many consulates? If Pakistan has concrete proof of India's involvement why is it not showing it. India has shown proof and said in the UN speeches that Pakistan is supporting terrorism in India. Why didn't the Pakistan PM accuse India of supporting terrorism in his speech in the UN - because there is no proof only conjecture.
@ shazia I agree with u 100 % I wish some indian commentrators will reply to your logic other than saying that these are just "conspiracy theories"
He may be right about RAW supporting terrorism against Pakistan, because '1000 cuts' policy will have to be countered ten times over. But RAW may not be involved in planning specific missions. Also, Pakistan has not yet been able to come up with any specific proof in support of this theory. So, either he is totally wrong or RAW is doing a fantastic job!
General Musharraf's last stand?
@Shaheed Abid Ali You are wrong. It all started with the first Muslim invasion of India in 715 A.D.
@Izaz khan Wow, what a comment. I wish every Pakistani must have read it.
@Rationalist - One great post. Sums it all.
@Nivedita Mishra - aray wah !! you reminded of my early Hindi sermons in childhood. You are right - that is the root of the problem.
@Shazia You don't need outside arms export. You have your own famous Dara area, where you can easily get domestically manufactured sophisticated weapons. Again about money, well you don't known that this Pak-Afghan border is famous for illicit drug cultivation. Why the terror organizations will need outside support then?
while his kids and grand kids live in US
Mr Irrelevant general of the past, it's time we stop blaming others, india, amrita or israel. We have to solve our own problems. So thank you, not go into exile ir something. Your honorable service to Pakistan is done.
@Sharjeel Khan why dont you write few scripts for movies
Mussharf is another genius in Pakistan. Pakistan security services are still investigating the perpetrators and Mushhraf has already decided who is behind the carnage. I cannot believe, this guy ran Pakistan for ten years. His intelligence is little less than the box full of rocks. This says a lot about the people of Pakistan who allowed him to stay in power for ten years.
How can this "onetime American Puppet" utter such nonsense? Probably out of power the general has become a nut.
@Rashid The PAKISTAN GOVERNMENT has officially agreed that the Mumbai attacks were PLANNED in PAKISTAN and carried out by PAKISTANI TERRORISTS.
Otherwise,there would NOT be a court case proceeding in Pakistan currently (albeit at a glacial pace) against the Pakistani perpetrators of the crime in Mumbai.
Can you NOT see this ?
Coward!
Same old record of blaming everybody else and not introspecting. Pakistan needs to understand one thing: Why in the world would India want to attack Pakistan ? What does Pakistan have that India would want to take ?
Not saying that India may not have created problems for Pakistan, but those are primarily either in reaction to Pak support for terrorists who kill people in India or are some form of self preservation tactics ( such as to keep its part of Kashmir intact ).
India shows plenty of gestures to be friendly with Pakistan. Indian public loves Pakistani artists and treats them with respects. If Pakistani poor patients end up in India they are treated free of cost. small things but these things count.
Pakistan needs to fight the evil that it has supported and nurtured and undergo a mind shift. Otherwise these kids have died in vain.
See/hear what the "Maulana" of the LAL MASJID in the heart of Pakistan's capital had to say about the Peshawar massacre.
No words of sympathy and no words to condemn the TALIBAN.
I am confused here.
So if INDIA's RAW or other external agenies are backing Taliban and other terror organizations inside Pakistan,surely ALL good muslims should condemn the TALIBAN and their affiliates as munafiqs,at the very least.
Otherwise,I take it that all the pious muslim leaders in Pakistan who support TALIBAN also support RAW & INDIA and their supposed machinations in your country !
Will there ever be an end to this insanity ?
@Sunil Lakhanpal , wow what a lecture on Bangladesh, not interested what they think or do, that part is done and over with. Why don't you go and settle over there instead of India that way you can enjoy their so called rich culture.
Musharraf is right. He pointed on large canvas where the failure are and what is going on. TTP needs to finish as its basic task to make destabilizing Pakistan. TTP's supported by all those agencies who's motto to destabilize Pakistan as much as they can. Now it is the responsibility of Pakistan's Army/ Air force to do an operation or hot-chase to get this TTP leader alive. and hang him in Peshawar.
Musharraf lol And comments or no comments from Pakistanis suggest that they believe what this guy is talking. lol
So the silly readers still believe that these terrorist organisations are operating without any foreign support? Ahhhh......bravo to your stupidy! Salute to Musharraf for speaking the truth!
Here is a person who approved the drone strikes. Not only that, but from Pakistan territory. While the goings were good, he received billions of dollars while in power for Pakistan from America. Today he blames the Americans! Has he come clean about the Karghil debacle ? Today the Taliban is entrenched in the whole of Pakistan. How is Pakistan going to get rid of the menace? They mingle with the crowds and no one will be able to identify the terrorist. The Taliban will create havoc by unleashing its suicide bombers. In Peshawer, how did they penetrate the city without being recognised ? They can blend in with the crowd at will!
Only Musharraf has the courage to expose India and thats why despite doing so much for Pakistan he is portrayed as a villain by those media houses known to have Indian funding. He is always humiliated by them him on the behest of India, Hats off to Dawn who at least is unbiased.
@arslan "Everything he said is true, I seriously don't understand why does India have so many consulates in Afghanistan?"
India has exactly 4 consulates in Afghanistan and in the same cities as Pakistan has them. These are: Kandahar, Herat, Jalalabad and Mazar-e-Sharif. If there is a 5th consulate , please say which city it is in and the address" after all a consulate must have a published address is it not?
There are many Afghans studying in Indian universities and many Indians in Afghanistan building roads, schools, helping withe gearing up election infrastructure and so on.
@Rajesh Gentleman,All the proof of Pakistani handlers of terror in Mumbai was termed 'literature'.and you have jumped to the conclusion that India was involved.Sad.
Mr Musharf sir, you may think you are still relevant, but the fact is that you got a long chance, longer than most other persons, while being a strong man, with no opposition (any opposition was jailed or tortured) and blew it - now shut up.
Pakistan was the first country to recognize the Taliban government in Afghanistan, and only one of the three to ever do so (the other two were Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates). No other country recognised it, nor did the UN.
Musharraf is merely ranting nonsense that is not necessarily grounded in reality. However, if Karzai did indeed encourage the TTP in Afghan soil, he had very good reason to do so!