23 October, 2014 / 27 Zilhaj, 1435
A document signed by Nust’s Deputy Director (Administration) Abdul Nasir circulating on social media websites shows that some female students have been fined Rs500 to Rs1,000 for wearing jeans and tights and for not wearing dupatta. —File Photo by AFP
A document signed by Nust’s Deputy Director (Administration) Abdul Nasir circulating on social media websites shows that some female students have been fined Rs500 to Rs1,000 for wearing jeans and tights and for not wearing dupatta. —File Photo by AFP
A faculty member who works in the Rawalpindi campus of the university said that top management of the university was liberal, but junior officers were very strict and they were running the university like a ‘military academy’. — File Photo courtesy of NUST
A faculty member who works in the Rawalpindi campus of the university said that top management of the university was liberal, but junior officers were very strict and they were running the university like a ‘military academy’. — File Photo courtesy of NUST

ISLAMABAD: The management of National University of Sciences and Technology (Nust) has made it mandatory for female students to wear ‘dupatta’ and put a ban on wearing ‘jeans’ in the premises of the university, according to sources.

The Nust’s management, however, has denied the report, saying that students have been instructed to wear ‘decent’ dresses.

According to a notice pasted on the notice board of the university, 11 students have been fined because of different reasons, including smoking and eating in labs. As many as seven students have been fined for not wearing dupatta or wearing jeans and tights.

A document signed by Nust’s Deputy Director (Administration) Abdul Nasir shows that some female students have been fined Rs500 to Rs1,000 for wearing jeans and tights and for not wearing dupatta.

According to the document, RA, a student of BBA, was fined Rs1,000 for wearing jeans and SM, another BBA student, was fined Rs500 for wearing tights.

Another five students — ZB, HA, AT, AB and SM — were asked to pay fines ranging between Rs500 and Rs1,000 for not wearing dupatta.

All the students were checked on Sept 17 and were found without dupatta.

According to a faculty member, Nust does not allow formation of academic staff association. Talking on condition of anonymity, he said no one from faculty members would comment on the issue. The environment in the university was very strict because all important administrative posts were held by retired army officers, he added.

“Male and female students are not allowed to sit together and they are fined for violation. Teachers and students know that they will be fired and rusticated if they do anything against the will of the administration,” he said.

Another faculty member who works in the Rawalpindi campus of the university said that top management of the university was liberal, but junior officers were very strict and they were running the university like a ‘military academy’.

TALKING POINT: The Nust issue has become much talked about among the youth of twin cities of Rawalpindi and Islamabad. They are sending messages on cellular phones to each other and posting their comments on social media networks.

A student posted on Twitter: “There is a separate cafe which boys can go to after 5 and separate cafe for girls….. Hide conversation.”

Another student Tweeted: “Wow.. never had an idea Nust was the taliban markaz.. thank God I didnt submit fee there.”

One student wrote: “Its the new Pro-Rector who is coming up with such awesome rules. It was bearable before.”

Nust’s spokesman Irshad Rao was contacted through Public Relation Officer Syed Raza Ali, but he refused to respond on the issue.

Mr Raza Ali told Dawn that he had seen the notice but he could not say anything about it because the management did not share such things with the media wing.

“As far as I know the management has instructed students to wear formal dresses and in case of violation they are fined. The Media wing will look into it on Wednesday,” he added.

Personal Staff Officer of Rector Col Mohsin said that students were allowed to wear any kind of dress.

However, he added, students were not allowed to wear indecent dresses. “Shorts are not allowed in university’s premises. As far as Hijab is concerned, it is up to the will of parents,” he said.

When he was asked about the notice of fines, Mr Mohsin said that he was not aware of it.


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Maeedah
Sep 25, 2013 07:53am

This is such HORRID exaggeration of facts. These rules have always been there. I am a student at NUST and we roam around in jeans (against the business school rules which ask student to dress up in business formal) we have events at NUST which are co-ed. I was out with my male colleagues, last night till around 9:30. It is only that the campus is huge and dark and gender mixing has been restricted to the well-lit areas. Pathetic pathetic exaggeration!

Maeedah
Sep 25, 2013 07:54am

Note that male students have also been fined for wearing jeans, they are fined for not wearing a tie because the dress code says BUSINESS FORMAL! it is for this code that we are the most well dressed candidates at interviews and on jobs.

Mudassar
Sep 25, 2013 08:36am

Maintaining some kind of discipline is good. Uncontrolled liberalism will take us nowhere

Abdul Rauf
Sep 25, 2013 08:36am

Is this such a major issue to come as a front line heading. I doubt, it is. There are a lot more burning issues demanding attention!

Naveed
Sep 25, 2013 08:37am

What's the point that u r trying to make? every place has a dress code, it has to be observed.

Mashman
Sep 25, 2013 08:39am

NUST seems to be running out of funds.

Bilal
Sep 25, 2013 08:43am

Feel content that I had my student life in good times, when dress code was something considered personal. When no regulations of youtube and phone packages was in place. However, I am concerned about resurgence of 'Zia policies' again in Pakistan.

Fawad
Sep 25, 2013 08:54am

I am a faculty member at a reputed university here in Islamabad. I know it sound a bit harsh to some people with dress code and everything but I belong to the middle class. The middle class has always borne the values of our culture and religion. It is these things that have kept us from becoming like Europe with no social fabric. Do we want the same to happen to our society. Either we stop pretending we are muslim but if we are we practice it. I do not understand what the parents are doing these days. It is their job and the university has to do it.

Huzaifa Akhtar
Sep 25, 2013 09:03am

Why media is trying to create an issue out of an internal dress code policy of a reputable institution when in fact they have done nothing wrong??

I know the answer ...... the management of the university is trying to implement decency and discourage vulgarity ( resulting from improper dressing ). Also, this confirms to our religion.

Why we are trying to abolish them when we are living in a country made in the name of Islam???

Fahad
Sep 25, 2013 09:04am

I can't really understand all the hype that has been created about the issue. The institution has rules that students are abide to follow. They have to maintain some discipline and above all instructions are under islamic teachings.

Even punjab university has similar rules, well the consequences are different in their case.

NUST administration should not deny them cause there is nothing wrong with it.

ramesh
Sep 25, 2013 09:06am

Pakistan wants to go back 1400 years. Best of luck.

Hassan
Sep 25, 2013 09:17am

Why blame Taliban then ? Aren't we all heading towards stone age ?

BRR
Sep 25, 2013 09:17am

When teachers start measuring dupatta lengths and monitoring clothes instead of focusing on teaching, the system is going down the tube. If it is the business of the state to track your religion, pretty soon the silliness descends to lower level where minions track your shorts and dupatta. Shame on all involved.

Syeda Jafri
Sep 25, 2013 09:21am

TRK
Sep 25, 2013 09:21am

I think its good if they're fining girls for wearing indecent dresses... Its a step towards bashing in some sense, even if forcfully...

Sheemah
Sep 25, 2013 09:26am

NUST's, and indeed many other educational institutions', backwoods policing of behaviour and apparel aside, should an institution absolutely insist on enforcing a dress code, it should be more clear-cut than instructing students to "wear

sani
Sep 25, 2013 09:22am

A good decision to avoid moral destruction.well done nust

rashad
Sep 25, 2013 09:37am

why is this news on the back page of dawn? if its the university's policy then the students should follow it. i really don't see why this news item needs such importance.

Shiraz Maliki
Sep 25, 2013 09:42am

Firstly, this is strictly an internal administrative issue, every educational institution has a right to implement its code of conduct and it shouldn't be made another turf-war between a handful of "liberals vs. the rest of the country". Secondly, NUST is the best engineering university in the country and that should be the only priority for the students and their parents.

Haider Ali Haider
Sep 25, 2013 09:44am

NUST is doing excellent regarding the environment of university because of NUST has its name in academic field

Azhar Ahmed
Sep 25, 2013 09:45am

why is this country and its people so much obsessed by what women do ????

Asim Irshad
Sep 25, 2013 09:46am

Dear Editor,

Correction please: It is NUST not Nust.

Regards,

Asad Shah
Sep 25, 2013 09:54am

Hilarious! The person wearing jeans got the higher fine than the one who smoked... only in NUST I guess :)

Nauman Saeed Khan
Sep 25, 2013 09:52am

i wish every university device the same rule as NUST imposed..

vigilant
Sep 25, 2013 09:53am

NUST has always been run by administration like military academy but i was not aware of Islamist or conservative influence in university administration.

MS
Sep 25, 2013 09:56am

The main problem is not the dress code but the rule "unacceptable gender mixing/ proximity openly or in isolated places" is strictly prohibited." A guard comes in the cafetaria, blows his whistle at exactly 5 pm which is a cue for all the male students to leave that particular cafetaria. After 5pm, girls and boys go to separate cafeteria. Hostellites, student societies and study groups have to conduct their meetings on the footpaths or parking spaces. Even there a guard comes and tells them to either do not sit together or leave for your respective dorm rooms. Unless anybody is indulged in public displays of affection, nobody should be made to do decide or do according to their personal whim. The jeans and dupatta rules have been there since the inception of the university but almost all students violate it now and then. Most of them are never fined. This "indecent dressing" trend continues in every welcome and farewell party along with the music concerts' ban inside the campus which is promulgated by the Rector NUST himself. Rather than focusing on quality research and teaching, NUST's priorities lie in gender segregation. NUST has dropped down 40 places in its latest rankings. There are not enough dorm space for freshmen in male and female hostels where the students have to draw up mattresses rather than given a separate room or at least a bed(which they originally pay for)

Khaled
Sep 25, 2013 09:57am

Why not merge NUST with next door neighbor Islamic University, they also follow the same thought process, it will save on administrative cost.

Saeed Khalid Dhanyal
Sep 25, 2013 09:57am

it is good decision by NUST, but it should not propogate by anyone. such type of things should be part of admission criteria. I know in many universities / schools and colleges of islamabad and rawalpindi female students wears jeans and tights and even those places are considered to be DATE POINTs. Administration should take action in all the educational insitutions, because we are muslim society and we should save out ethical , religious and cultural boundries. may allah bless pakistan from vulgarity and unethical behaviour of the people.

sherie
Sep 25, 2013 10:08am

ofcourse! covering up girls is the way to make nust a better educational place. thats how harvard reached this point. get a life Nust admins, do your job, what you are paid for, make your own selves right. not other peoples daughters.

Tayyeb
Sep 25, 2013 10:09am

Dear Dawn, It is really astonishing that you consider this 'NEWS' and it found space on front page. Every university and organization has rules which have to be followed and there is nothing wrong with it. The organization for which I work don't allow Shalwar Qameez for male employees although many of us want to wear it but that doesn't make it news, does it?

Zahra Fatima
Sep 25, 2013 10:18am

What a disturbing reality. Though this is reality, I commend you for taking a stand and exposing to the world what confinement really means in the truest sense. An inspirational blog. Don't know if you've heard of the documentary Persepolis, but I know you would enjoy it. :)

We need more people like this. Thank you for being brave enough to post this blog.

-Zahra Fatima.

Ahmed
Sep 25, 2013 10:14am

I don't know what is the point of highlighting this issue so much. I am a NUST graduate and think that they even requires more than this. OR get ready for illegal physical relationship (with and without consent) in the near future. Both choices are open till dated.

noor
Sep 25, 2013 10:15am

Can now NUST also impose fines on men for looking at women and making eye contact without any business? What non-sense. You are pushing Pakistan in the Stoneage.

Awais
Sep 25, 2013 10:19am

So What's awkward in this. Every sane and honourable person belonging to a well-off family would encourage this. You are not going to any party or a night club. Its a university and it has a proper dress code that needs to be followed.

Hussam Mehboob
Sep 25, 2013 10:30am

You should be ashamed of publishing this news and blindly following the social media. You have not only compromised identities of students but you're also unaware of the fact that when these students joined NUST, they signed an affidavit saying that they'll follow these rules. NUST is a highly respectable institute which teaches it's students discipline and molds their personalities to become a part of the corporate culture. A fact which I don't need to prove as most people in the multinationals are NUSTIANS. This is part of policy and please don't drag religion into it because our forefathers like Alberuni,Ibn Haitham,Jabir Bin Hayan were all brilliant men and they didn't need jeans to achieve that brilliance. They were all better men than us any given day both spiritually and intellectually. Alumini of College of EME,NUST Hussam Mehboob DE31 Electrical

Sajjad Syed
Sep 25, 2013 10:29am

Yes NUST and Pakistan Army, girls wearing jeans is the biggest problem that we have. Forget the issue with Taliban, poor quality of teachers, war on terror. Pls note the sarcasm.

Kazi Ashraf
Sep 25, 2013 10:51am

Educational institutions are for getting precisely what their name implies... Education! One has to foster an environment to facilitate education. Of course, telling students not to talk is contrary to achieving this goal. But enforcing a rule for clothes is very justifiable. One has to draw the line somewhere. Who decides whether tights are ok, but skirts are not ok... whether sleeveless are fine but tanktops are not.
In many private institutions, students feel peer pressure to dress up in a certain way to just show up to class and that puts unnecessary burden on them financially... specially on the less affording ones. Hence, the wisdom of a uniform code in countries all over the world. This has nothing to do with talibans...please dont blindly paint everything with the same emotional brush! Thanks.

S
Sep 25, 2013 10:55am

Seriously? Why don't the administration enforce Burqa on all the girls!? Or even better ask them to stay at home.

a
Sep 25, 2013 11:00am

Same was true for our medical college 10 ago. It seems v unreasonable but dicipline is necessary.

Akhtar Aleem Syed
Sep 25, 2013 10:57am

It would be in all fairness that the students are informed about the dress code, if any, at the time of admission as well as the punishment in case of violation. In case of a code notified prior to admission it would be upto the students to decide out of their free will whether to join the institution or not.

Raamis
Sep 25, 2013 11:03am

Do you even know the first thing about the fine? The first sentence of your article is wrong. I did not even bother to read the rest. The fine was implemented in nust business school which from day one has a strict formal dress code forbidding jeans and tee shirts for boys and jeans and tights for girls. Defaulters have been fined befor. Other departments not having dress code rules allow girls to wear jeans and even tees. So please gather complete information before rambling on such a reputed news website and demeaning one of pakistan's top unversities.

Usman
Sep 25, 2013 10:59am

Nice article Dawn, now Nust Admin would feel the heat.

Syed
Sep 25, 2013 10:59am

Thumbs Up!!! They are really living up to their standards in all fields may it be education, culture and respect.

Rabia
Sep 25, 2013 11:04am

This is so true. Instead of fixing the real problems in NUST like the quality of education and hostels, they are making it a non-friendly campus by imposing dumb fines because somehow they want the girls to wear a dupatta because they LIKE it. Why is NUST admin allowed to dress the western way(Collar shirt and dress pants, where is the shalwar kameez?). It is outrageous how their decent standards are only applied to women. If we as a nation whine about France banning the burqa, how draconion of us to impose a certain dress style on our own people? This is plain and simple abuse of administrative rights. If tomorrow they like the color red on me better, will they fine me for not wearing it? We are adults studying at NUST, we dress the way the Pakistani culture allows us to, if it has transformed then who are you to complain? Culture CHANGES. Follow your own moral beliefs, and let others do what they want to.

pakpower
Sep 25, 2013 11:13am

Finally a report on us. Please help us get rid of this despotic administration.

Bob
Sep 25, 2013 11:13am

Among all the problem faced by the country, the moral police is busy doing what they are known to do the best - the screw up. Well, this will keep the failed state in lime light.

dude
Sep 25, 2013 11:14am

Military officers treat the civilians and students as their servants and criminals specially in Military administered campuses of NUST

Rosh
Sep 25, 2013 11:14am

Excellent step by uni. we must take steps to preserve our values and culture. Newspaper should not take any side DAWN. There are more than 1000 tweets those say its a positive steps...

Taimur
Sep 25, 2013 11:15am

Legacy of Zia ul Haq!!

Tahir Naseer
Sep 25, 2013 11:21am

Not a surprise at all being a former student. However, one must look at both sides of the picture. On one hand it can be useful for avoiding any serious issue and on the other hand too much of strictness is also problematic especially when the two sexes have to work together as a group.

Imran Zahid
Sep 25, 2013 11:24am

If separare cafe' is objectionable, why there are seperate colleges and schools for girls and boys?

Kaku
Sep 25, 2013 11:30am

Oh my god!!! Imran Khan is trying to appease the taliban and impose Shariah law all over the country! "Taliban Khan"!

....Wait. Is this even KPK? Its Federal Capital and managed by the Army. Hmm.... then its cool! Carry on!

Double standards zindabad!

Zeyad Rehman
Sep 25, 2013 11:27am

Being an ex-Nustian I am very much familiar to te environment in NUST. These fines have been there for ages. Blaming it in the rector is just height of being biased. And to add to it comparing it to a Taliban markaz is just bringing a bad image not just for present Nustians but ex-Nustians too. Who are working at different multi national companies globally. I enjoyed the notice doing the rounds on FB and Twitter, making a news headline out of it is sheer shame. Dawn news has had quite a respectable reputation posting such news items tells the level you author/editor have gone down too. You are bringing the image of a world renowned institution for a mere fine which is asking for a decent dress.

Shah N. Khan
Sep 25, 2013 11:34am

NUST must prescribe a uniform to avoid such controversy. The instructions to wear decent dress is not extremism.

JMS
Sep 25, 2013 11:33am

How much more pathetic can the NUST management mindset become ? Instead of focusing on providing a superior academic curriculum & experience, they prioritize things that belong in the stone age & Saudi. Shame!

Ali
Sep 25, 2013 11:34am

Great work NUST.

Muhammad Uzair Tariq
Sep 25, 2013 11:35am

Respectable Author

I was a student of NUST Business School for the last 4 years and I graduated in 2013. For your knowledge NUST has clearly mentioned rules and regulations in it's Code of Conduct where proper dressing tops the list plus this is not the first time any student was fined. It is clearly written in the Computer lab that Food not allowed and Violators will be fined. When you enter NUST its clearly mentioned that NUST Is a smoking Free Campus. Hence these fines are sort of justified but this article will make the situation worse. You are igniting a war between the Administration and the Students of NUST. Anyway I am not defending the admin nor the students but I am defending my institution.

Nusrat
Sep 25, 2013 11:45am

I think it

Shahid
Sep 25, 2013 11:45am

Just time somebody stood up for the Pakistani values in the university. Universities are educational institutions and they should be treated as such.

Aeronaut
Sep 25, 2013 11:44am

Misleading article .. Half truths and some outright lies. NUST fined girls "and boys" for wearing jeans. Right mr author? A fact that you conveniently ignored? NUST is based on military academies. The students should be thankful for the standard of education. The dress code and discipline codes aren't that draconian. Nobody was forced to go there. There are more liberal universities that the students are free to go to and they will happily accept NUSTs credits.

saint
Sep 25, 2013 11:49am

Having worked at NUST I can safely say that the faculty is generally good but it is run by an admin staff composed mostly of retired army officer yes men. They are trying to use the same management models they have used all their lives running army units. Most of the senior admin is enjoying a second well paid job after a good retirement package from the forces .... They try but are mostly learning on the job trying to adapt to working in academia.

junaid
Sep 25, 2013 11:46am

I have not read any scientific studies or research which says that the wearing of jeans, specifically by girls, lowers one's IQ. this is indeed insanity. There should be a formal dress code, but the authority concern should not enforce his or her moral code in the name of formal dress code in the educational premises.

MAK
Sep 25, 2013 11:53am

Actually male students who wore jeans were fined too. The management of NUST probably wants their students to wear formal attire in the premises instead of casual. I saw a picture of the fine notice, which is doing rounds on social media which showed that male students were also fined. There were fines also for eating in the library and smoking in the university.

sajida
Sep 25, 2013 11:59am

Goog and wonderful rules and keep it up it will be good if this rule is imposed in all universities of pakistan because as an islamic country we need such things..

sajida
Sep 25, 2013 11:56am

wonderful rule for the betterment of youth and students.

Sarosh
Sep 25, 2013 12:05pm

"Indeed, those who like that immorality should be spread [or publicized] among those who have believed will have a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter. And Allah knows and you do not know." [Verse 19, Surah Noor]

Shiraz
Sep 25, 2013 12:10pm

...or else we may end up in a situation like in India, where dishonoring of local and foreign women is rampant. To discourage such dresses is totally in line with the religious teachings of Islam. It shoudn't be a surprise to anyone as long as it is happening in Islamic Republic of Pakistan. And to let everyone know, I am not sarcastic when I say so.

Pakistan
Sep 25, 2013 12:16pm

Thats what you get after paying so high tution fees? It is better to join an institution where the management is educated researchers than army officers.

Kdspirited
Sep 25, 2013 12:16pm

Why do our youth take whatever is handed to them quietly. They should stand up for their rights. A so called institution of education should be more concerned with providing the right education to people and leave students dress sense alone. They should either have a dress code and leave it up to the students if thy want to enlist in a school where such a dress code is required. Also they should not have a coeducational institution if they don't allow men and women to mingle. This is hypocritical and demoralizing

Abid
Sep 25, 2013 12:20pm

We should appreciate NUST administration instead of criticism.Would you allow ur sister or daughter to wear tights etc in the class?Is it modernism?Is not necessary hijab for women is ordered by Allah in Quran?We should decide whether we are Muslim or not.Otherwise Muslims should not question Quranic injunctions. Pls don't try to make an issue out of this.

Abid
Sep 25, 2013 12:24pm

We should appreciate NUST administration instead of criticism.Would you allow ur sister or daughter to wear tights etc in the class?Is it modernism?Is not necessary hijab for women is ordered by Allah in Quran?We should decide whether we are Muslim or not.Otherwise Muslims should not question Quranic injunctions. Pls don't try to make an issue out of this.

Zulfiqar Haider
Sep 25, 2013 12:22pm

Well done NUST. It means the Zia remnants are still present in the Army and its alleid institutions.

mehreen ali
Sep 25, 2013 12:24pm

Dear affected students

With due respect to the laws and regulations, (which are often violated by miscreants ) wearing a decent dress code is a very ideal form of behaviour any level of person must exhibit.

Although, a veil or hijab is meant to be optional on the national level, atleast a proper covering of body curvatures are bound to be followed in an Islamic way.

This rule must be respected and followed in such a simple manner as they are dealt in countries abroad.

Deep-end
Sep 25, 2013 12:29pm

You mean girls were allowed inside the University?

Saad
Sep 25, 2013 12:29pm

zamana bohot kharaab hoo gaya hai bhaai. I am actually happy with this step. Fitna hai fitna, jitni dheel doo gay utna barhay ga.

Shahbaz
Sep 25, 2013 12:27pm

Its the right step .. manners should be taught to students .. before they become ill mannered .. not everything should be allowed in the name of "freedom" .. freedom comes with values .. there is no freedom when values are damaged

athar
Sep 25, 2013 12:27pm

Dear Dawn , Stop being utterly stupid and rediculus. There has always been a dress code policy in NUST. If one doesn't follow one has to pay the penalty. Please google the Newsweek's latest dress code policy, if you think NUST is being rediculous. Time for you to write an article on that as well. Oh and there is the 5th World Engineering Council being held at NUST, but you didn't bother posting about that.

Tayeb
Sep 25, 2013 12:29pm

The fine is legitimate & the student should follow according to the rules lead out by Islam & administration

Anon
Sep 25, 2013 12:33pm

will of the parent!

Pakistani
Sep 25, 2013 12:43pm

So it is an issue of great national importance!!!!!!

Mirza
Sep 25, 2013 12:41pm

Its a good move by the university.

athar
Sep 25, 2013 12:46pm

Dear Dawn , Stop being utterly stupid and rediculus. There has always been a dress code policy in NUST. If one doesn't follow one has to pay the penalty. Please google the Newsweek's latest dress code policy, if you think NUST is being rediculous. Time for you to write an article on that as well. Oh and there is the 5th World Engineering Council being held at NUST, but you didn't bother posting about that.

jibran
Sep 25, 2013 12:48pm

it is jamia Haqqania right in the capital.

Mirza Asad Baig
Sep 25, 2013 12:49pm

Fantastic! Pakistan's most important issue stands resolved. We are now on the path to greater heights - well-done NUST! MIT, Oxford and the like are queueing to emulate.

Samster
Sep 25, 2013 12:50pm

Being a ex-student at NUST and that too a boarding student at the NUST hostel, I can attest to this. Some of the disciplinary rules are totally absurd while others make sense. Too bad, Pakistani institutes do so little to improve the standard of their education and retain good faculty but waste so much time and effort on stupid rules and regulations.

intazar ali
Sep 25, 2013 12:48pm

there should be place on this earth of Allah where 100 % islam should be practiced but unfortunately we are more than billion but we are not able to impliment the golden principles of islam on earth to make it havenly place I Pray Allah give us true guidance and give us power to impliments islam in our lives individully and collectivelly,

Malik
Sep 25, 2013 12:55pm

Is this even news, A university implementing it dress code. To those who arent comfortable with such rules, should leave such institutions.

Expect this of Tribue, not Dawn.

Umar
Sep 25, 2013 01:00pm

U would wil to like to add one thing that al the students who were find was from nust business school. And in the business school, its is not allowed to wear imformal dresses. In rest o thr schools of nust H-12 sextor, students has no such ristructions regarding dress code.

rizwan
Sep 25, 2013 01:04pm

Good.

Shafiq Khan
Sep 25, 2013 01:09pm

It seems that this university administration is stuck in the dark ages. What a shame.

The university ethos is expected to be a scenario where all adults are gathered together in the pursuit of knowledge without the big brother wilding a big stick. How could an intellectually thriving community develop where silly restrictions make the members of the community feel bound to a given mind set! No intellectual advancement is possible where boundary of pursuit is fixed by mind controlling pathetic rules.

No wonder all Muslim countries were ruled by the science oriented societies. The half educated controllers, strangers to the finest civilised values are in control. Only Spanish Muslims made some headway where scholars of all kind were free to develop their thought processes. When our graduates go abroad for higher education, they are always faced by such an unfamiliar social world that it sets them back. It either pushes them in a cocoon or in deep waters, because of a strange environment where they got to learn new skills to be able to relate to their fellow students. I was so a odd fifty years ago , when I experienced it ,as it is today when my grandchildren are experiencing it, sadly a bit worse than before. No staff organisation, no freedom of choice in dress code, the administration treats staff and students as children. About time they grow up and behave like decent adults and treat others to like adults.

Saifee
Sep 25, 2013 01:14pm

If an institution has a dress code then the students have to follow that unless they think it infringes their basic human rights. Is that too difficult to understand? There are many institutions and organisations all over the world that have dress codes including here in UK. Very often this is related to wearing jeans. This is not about war between secularism and talbanisation.

Misleading: If Dawn still wants to make a big fuss about this then atleast it should be honest with the story and should not put the misleading heading. The fact that you can see within the list there is a guy named "ABA" who is also fined for wearing jeans, makes this heading totally incorrect.

Let's see if Dawn apologises for being misleading and corrects itself. As a regular reader of Dawn I would like to see the highest level of standards from Dawn in its every single reporting without failing it.

Mariam Minhas
Sep 25, 2013 01:10pm

I am surprised that the management of NUST has even got the audacity for denying these claims. I was a student of NUST as well and even back in 2002 these rules were there. As a female what i found most insulting was a retired Col standing at the gate every day checking out every girl from head to toe to fine them. No wonder NUST has not been as successful as it had the potential to be as a business school as there are open spaces and narrow minds that govern them. Discipline is one thing and that should be there but these guys have taken this way ahead and have suffocated the youth. I am surprised that after all these years there has been no change in thought; it always seemed that all retired army men who have nothing better to do would come to become administrators. With all due respect for the institute, it has great potential, faculty and premises; please open your mind and stop Talibanziing each and every institute that has even a glimmer of hope! NUST administration should atleast stop lying....

asif mahmud
Sep 25, 2013 01:11pm

If NUST administration is doing that,I salute them.I feel academic institutions as well as government have to pitch in control this new wave of vulgarity in the new generation.

SAKY
Sep 25, 2013 01:20pm

Why ....whats wrong with that .?t is a good thing.Wearing Hijaab and proper dress is not something like Taliban rule its the Islamic way and if you consider yourself a Muslim you should follow it....Do our sisters want to be used as Tissue paper as here in Europes they do....

saima
Sep 25, 2013 01:32pm

well, this is a right thing that the environment is very strict but it is good as people send their kids to study. one of my sisters study there and my parents are very satisfied with the rules. if dawn is making it a big issue, what can be said. Wearing dopatta is a good thing and decent clothing is also a good step. after all we live in an Islamic country For God sake ..have some respect.

Zainab Khan
Sep 25, 2013 01:29pm

As a currently enrolled student at NUST Business School, I find this article wholly unrepresentative of the true facts, seeing as how evidence has been manipulated and maligned in order to meet the desired opinion of some of the students who are a sheer minority of the entire population of students at NUST,

Also, as a student of NUST Business School, I would like to point out that as business students we have been assigned a dress code which prohibits the wearing of jeans both for girls and boys. This does not apply to other schools at NUST, a fact that is blaringly obvious to all who know their facts right.

Hussam Mehboob
Sep 25, 2013 01:34pm

DAWN has really dropped it's standards by following an unbridled and uncontrolled social media a level expected of newspapers like Express Tribune. Extremely disappointed. I am a former NUSTIAN and proud to be one. Please don't publish half baked information as every student signs an affidavit and submits it with his documents saying that he'll follow rules. And the rules are given to them in form of a booklet so everyone knows what they are getting into. It is not something new and students have been fined for a decade now for violations. Still it didn't stop the meteoric rise of NUST to become 53rd university in Engineering in Asia and 250th in the world according to THE-QS rankings. Please publish a rejoinder and a statement taking back what you have said.

Hussam Mehboob
Sep 25, 2013 01:35pm

And a boy was fined for wearing jeans as dress code is formal pent shirt. Not a girl so please check your facts and correct them.

Muhammad Yaqub
Sep 25, 2013 01:35pm
  1. The Uni has the right to enforce a dress code. But does a document define what is a 'Modest Dress'?
  2. If Jeans is immodest, what about a 'Tang Pyjama'?
Hussam Mehboob
Sep 25, 2013 01:35pm

@jibran: Wow shows your mentality.

Faqir Ahmad Paracha
Sep 25, 2013 01:37pm

I would say those who are not comfortable with such dress should leave the institution instead of imposing such silly rules.

Hassan
Sep 25, 2013 01:41pm

@asif mahmud: I feel pity upon you.

Raabi
Sep 25, 2013 01:41pm

Every University / college has its own rules and regulation. What's wrong if NUST does not allow wearing jeans and make Dupata mandatory. and above all an educational institution should not only give degree but should teach good things as well.

Irshad Khan
Sep 25, 2013 01:37pm

Dawn being misleading. Saifee what do you know? Being in UK doesnt make you right. Ask those who have studied there . Each and everything written here is mild compared to what's actually happening. They increase fees without any notice, they deliver urgent transcripts a month later then the promised date, hell we have even been fined for application to introduce a subject Electrical Power that was promised and then not offered. And fines are being imposed on students for not wearing proper dress. I mean there;s hypocracy and then there's just exploitation. I am using an alias because I know they will find me and fine me for writing this. I studied there for 4 years and the girls always wore jeans and tights there never was a fine until August 2013.

Hussam Mehboob
Sep 25, 2013 01:47pm

A misrepresentation of facts and highly irresponsible reporting in the steps of an uncontrolled social media. I expect higher level of professionalism from a paper which was founded by Quaid e Azam! And I have sent 5 comments and they are all awaiting moderation so what should I consider this? Suppression of speech? Because I have already written to another newspaper and the truth will out.

muhammad
Sep 25, 2013 01:43pm

@Saifee: if a Pakistani institute has the right to impose the dress code of its liking and it is OK with you then why people like you object to Western nations when they try to impose their version / standards of dress code isn't it a total hypocrisy ?

Ali
Sep 25, 2013 01:52pm

Ur heading suggests that it is a rule against female students only, check again boys were fined on jeans...the rules and fines have always been there and rightly so For all those calling this talbinazation or something, wake up...we do hv a religion and values and they need to go with modernization...islam ya modernization will never be possible. .it has to be modernisation with islam. We need to preserve our culture as well..

Naveed
Sep 25, 2013 02:00pm

NUST= "Talibani Taleemi Markaz"

These retired military dictators have no moral authority to dictate what adult students should or should not wear.. Checking dupatta, jeans, beard, haircut.. what has this stupid discipline got to do with educational excellence? Sounds like dark ages to me.let people live..they can excel educationally in shorts, jeans, and formal pants..doesnt matter..

Naveed
Sep 25, 2013 01:56pm

Also..putting a girl's name on the board..mentioning that she was fined for wearing tight clothes..is pure sexual harrasment to say the least.

ZAHID
Sep 25, 2013 02:10pm

let the students decide what to wear.Changes cannot b stopped. We are not living in 14th century.Our school system is bad because we don't have any VISION. Instead of wasting time on uniform, University should concentrate on hiring good professors.

Yasir
Sep 25, 2013 02:07pm

I exactly don't know that NUST has ordered their female students to wear modestly or nor and that the management fined them over being immodest. But I am with the view that if western universities define the dress codes for Muslim female students and can put ban on hijab (veil) or covering heads then eastern universities esp located in Muslim countries like Pakistan have the rights to define the dress code for students esp females according to religious and cultural norms. There is no harm in it and if this happened then we must appreciate it. If universities have codes for modest dressing then they have the right to enforce the campus regulations.

Unfortunately this is the responsibility of the government to drive the country according to religious and cultural norm and whatever the government need to do is being done by university. Freedom doesn't mean that we are free from our religion and whoever thinks that this act is the intervention in ones personal life then he / she / they should understand that we are not living in west nor we left aside our religion in order to attain the worldly desires.

I really appreciate the move by the NUST administration and they should not care what pseudo liberals say against them. Bravo for your act!

Muhammad
Sep 25, 2013 02:09pm

All I can say is HAHAHAHAHA

JJ
Sep 25, 2013 02:10pm

Discipline, rules or dress code is what distinguishes NUST from other universities. After 8 years of experience in international industry, I am what I am because of NUST today. I deeply appreciate now all that NUST taught me and helped me become a better and more organized professional. Those who don

Mehwish
Sep 25, 2013 02:11pm

Two points:

  1. For centuries dupatta has been a part of the pakistani culture. If dupatta is enforced in the dress code then there is no harm in it. No one is asking the girls to cover head or do hijab. I believe that chooridar pajamas are tighter than jeans but i see girls wearing them in NUST. The issue is implementation of a dress code and if jeans are not part of the code then it is justified.

It is not the jeans which help you excel rather its the tolerance in the mind. If the students cannot abide by such simple rules, then how would they take lead when they go in the market.

  1. I agree with Mariam that there used to be army men checking out girls. This has to be changed !
MQ
Sep 25, 2013 02:21pm

Most schools and colleges have a dress code. It has nothing to do with the taliban. Ive studied in the university of punjab and they too did not allow boys and girls to sit together in the canteen together. Ive studied in kinnaird and there too we fined girls for not wearing a dupatta or indecent clothes even though it was an all girls institution. CJM still does not allow conspicuous earrings or hair accessories. Just because someone posted a picture of facebook DAWN thinks it is news worthy? If this is the level of journalism these days i am really disappointed.

Mojo
Sep 25, 2013 02:18pm

Try going to your office in a lingerie. If you do not draw the line, the administration will draw the line. In offices all over Pakistan, men are supposed to wear dress pants. The place where I work, they consider wearing Shalwar Kameez, Jubba or a turban, indecent and inappropriate. On the other hand women have no dress code at all. They wear tights, sleeveless, tops whatever they feel like, it is not considered inappropriate in any sense. What's all the fuss when women are also told to wear something APPROPRIATE ???

ifti
Sep 25, 2013 02:20pm

Dawn is the only authentic English newspaper in Pakistan but that particular news is not up his standard. Every educational institution has the right to enforce the dress related restrictions...to an extend these not violates basic human rights...

Syed Aizaz Bokhari
Sep 25, 2013 02:21pm

It is very good decision by the administration.We Pakistanis need to value our culture and heritage.NUST is a top institution of the country and it should be a leader in academic excellence as well as in safeguarding and promoting high standards of morality and ethics.Islam teaches us modesty.Our top institution need to turn out Muslim Graduates who are firmly ground in Islamic values and our Culture.We dont need secular hippys as engineers,managers and doctors because the world already has enough of them.Our Pakistani youth should be distinguished from the rest of the world.We must be proud of our indiginous culture and Islam.I really appreciate the initiative by NUST

ali novax
Sep 25, 2013 02:26pm

NUST is doing a fine job if they are doing this .....because institutions are for studies and not for fashion shows.....discipline is very must for any educational institution.....Hijab must also me made must for all the female students.......

SaadZ
Sep 25, 2013 02:27pm

Zia Ul Haq maybe gone, but his legacy still seems to be wandering in the halls of NUST. Its a university not a boarding school which requires a dress codes. I extremely detest the imposition of dress codes on students. They need to focus on providing better education and welfare of students rather than enforcing these medieval rules.

khan tv
Sep 25, 2013 02:33pm

I would suggest the implementation of nice Uniform dress for males and females as in schools as a fix of this issue.

S
Sep 25, 2013 02:37pm

Though I respect the university's decision that students should be dressed decently, their policy of no jeans/ dupatta for all is just not sensible. They have to understand not all the fields require class room studies. As civil engineers, we are always out on the fields (yes girls too), working with soil, carrying out surveys etc. In these conditions wearing shalwar kameez dupatta is simply foolish. And let me tell you, girls are very decently dressed. Even male students can't be expected to wear tie/dress pants and shoes out on the field. Maybe this dress code is only for the business students.

fdaf
Sep 25, 2013 02:37pm

@intazar ali: Intazar ali- you will have to Intazar for that

Aqib
Sep 25, 2013 02:39pm

It is absolutely imperative to follow the dress code both institutional and Islamic. I support the action taken by NUST management.

Yasir
Sep 25, 2013 02:45pm

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

nabil
Sep 25, 2013 02:42pm

Since when did dress code in institutes become an issue? I expected better from dawn news. What kind of norms and values do you want to promote? Dawn News should apologize for such kind of reporting.

Humayun Ali
Sep 25, 2013 02:46pm

For the very kind knowledge of author and kind readers; its an academic code; its a story of business school and they want their students to be formally dressed. Even boys are not allowed to wear jeans in business school premises.

Tell me what is so wrong about it?

sarmad ali shaikh
Sep 25, 2013 02:43pm

This initiative taken by Nust will led to environment change, and students will be determined and focused instead of involving in malactivity to study.

Shehryar Malik
Sep 25, 2013 02:47pm

it deeply saddens me to read the comments of my fellow countrymen. i being the student of NUST for the past 2 years know the inside out story. this issue is just a tip of an iceberg, the university administration has been a totalitarian regime. all the decisions are final and if anyone tries to say anything or even suggest, he or she is either thrown out or given a shut up call with a warning. the army administration has totally ruined the learning culture and creating intellectuals while focusing more on such issues described in this article. i have literally heard students relating themselves to prisoners.

kanwal
Sep 25, 2013 02:48pm

Shame on dawn for serving the agenda of the enemies of Pakistan by posting a completely ignorant article and making a fuss out of something which is extremely normal such as a university having a dress code which many universities and especially Christian or convent schools/ universities have all over the world.Putting up an analogy of this with talibanization is totally uncalled for and one wonders what the hidden agenda behind such defamation would be!!!!!

gangadin
Sep 25, 2013 02:56pm

And you talk about Taliban violating women's rights?

Black's Law
Sep 25, 2013 02:59pm

Dear Dawn, kindly stop to abuse further, religion, Islam, Pakistan. this poor nation will be thankful to your owners, supporters, and funding providers... if you raise real issues of youths, their future, their quality of education, jobs, etc.. instead this stupid and frivolous maaters which are not acceptable to parents of students. even of your thousand efforts you may not bring pak in European shape and design, where their is no care of natural relationship i.e mother, father brother, except boy friends relation. With due respect, please come to help pak, help nation, guide youths to bright future... thank you

Ossy
Sep 25, 2013 03:06pm

Unbelievable that in a university (not a school), the administration is worried about a dress code that includes forbidding jeans - for boys and girls? I would be willing to accept the rule only if the administration follow the same rules and wears only Shalwar Qameez and Dhotees. Pants and Jeans afterall are atires of ferangees and NUST Teachers/Admin must also shun such satanic apparel.

Secondly, what kind of stupidity is this, that in a co-ed university boys or girls cannot sit with or talk to each other? Does the male administration only teach and talk to boys and have special female staff that teach girls?

Suggest that NUST staff and admin start spending time and energy on making their students intellectually stimulated and become better practical human beings. If the students wanted to become better muslims, they would have chosen to go to madrasaahs instead.

Faheem
Sep 25, 2013 03:05pm

Absolute bullshit. Their place their rules, you have to follow them! Enough said.

Abdul Qadir
Sep 25, 2013 03:08pm

what army officials know about education??? They must focused on to protect the border. These restriction will increase hatred and stress in the mind of the students.

Zain
Sep 25, 2013 03:08pm

NUST*

Another four* students

And opposed to the headline the article really only mentions the guys being fined for jeans.

not to mention quoting the tweet of people who have never been inside the campus

This has to be one of the most poorly written article on Dawn

khurram
Sep 25, 2013 03:11pm

@Shehryar Malik: i am graduate of this institution....and affiliated with it for more than a decade....the norms and culture of this university is very good and focused on education not on producing models and actors..so there are lot of universities..anybody not feeling good about this restriction can go to any other institution...i pray when u became father of a girl...than how it will feel for you that ur daughter be in jeans and tights with other boys in college.....

Usman
Sep 25, 2013 03:22pm

So what's wrong with this? Dawn ! plz dont be as pathetic as Geo.

Asif kamal
Sep 25, 2013 03:28pm

@Yasir: Those who are objecting to the "proper dress' code of the university management must read these Quranic verses and act accordingly if they have the fear of ALLAH.May ALLAH help guide them to the right path, ameen.

Fahd Ali Zahid
Sep 25, 2013 03:29pm

Typical of our polarized society, about 8 years ago I was instructed not to wear the National dress ( Shalwar Qameez ) in the National University of Science and Technology because of some liberal extreme.

Now another extreme is imposing dress codes, what we need is moderation.

Malik
Sep 25, 2013 03:36pm

@Shehryar Malik: Why don't you escape, prison break, or do they keep you in chains? If you cant respect the rules of an institute, you should leave it! no one is forcing you to stay.

Ali
Sep 25, 2013 03:33pm

Policy should be changing the hearts and minds rather forcing views on others. As said by Iqbal:

'Khirad Ne Keh Bhi Diya

Omair
Sep 25, 2013 03:33pm

Standard of reporting by dawn is going down every day

khan
Sep 25, 2013 03:40pm

Nothing wrong in it. whats wrong in trying to promote or save your culture?(if thats what the NUST is doing) 2nd point is the students chose to come to NUST , nust didn't beg them to come, so if they came then they have to abide by the rules. Otherwise they can go to other institutions, where its more like a fashion ground instead of any learning at all , and you wont see any difference between their dresses and that of europe.

Mariam M
Sep 25, 2013 03:42pm

The one thing i do agree with is "Appropriate" dressing; once you graduate out of university you are expected to do the same in your offices but we should trust that the youth and the educated will make the right choice. Does this article help? No not at all. Is this a matter of national importance? No. Does it bring a bad name and stereotypes all alumni of NUST Business School? Yes it does. However, the NUST administration should take notice of this and adapt its policies accordingly. For God sake please understand that any admin military person looking at female students on whether they are dressed appropriately or not is by no norms a decent thing to do. There are many ways to address "Ethics and Code of Conduct" with separate orientation sessions on these topics vs putting up a fine list! None the less, an article around this does nothing to help; it just causes embarrassment to the institute and to those associated with it including the alumni.

AT
Sep 25, 2013 03:44pm

i don't understand what is wrong in following a DRESS CODE in a university. Actually our young lot now wants more liberation & freedom. They dont want themselves to be guided by someone. We should be proud of our national culture & our ethics.

iqbal Zaidi
Sep 25, 2013 03:56pm

I am looking the news about jeans and tights dress of nust university, if the university administration took the decision of banned the tights jeans specially girls is good because , those student who comes to university for get education is bear this kind of dresses specially female.So , the University management decision if imposed it is very good and I request all other Universities to imposed such kinds of banned in their respective institutions.

fatima
Sep 25, 2013 03:53pm

...i dnt know fr sure untill i see it myself..NEVER BLV IN GOSSIP unless u see it fr urself.....but i must say there should be MODERATION in everything in every institution ,no extremism of any sort( means neither tooo modern nor tooooo religious).....as far as NUST is concerned,i think they have a uniform or a dress code,so if that's the case students should follow that institution's rules....if they want the uniform or dress code then join some other institution.......so this article is portraying negatively which was not even to begin with...students must have been fined for not following dress code,not bcoz they wore jeans or no jeans!!!!

Abrar R
Sep 25, 2013 03:57pm

Excellent! High time students are tamed. Without dupatta is ridiculous. If someone is so liberal he/she can rocket off to amreeka and study their.

ahq
Sep 25, 2013 03:54pm

This is just absurd NUST is a place to study, you meet highly professional teachers, professors and foreign faculty. One can not go there wearing shorts or tight jeans. In a university one should wear decent clothes and give a good impression. This is not a vacation, its education and NUST management has done a good job keeping control Its a shame that some people who are unaware of professional life and think that wearing tight jeans pink t-shirts would make them look cool are making a fuss out of it..........so a useless news this is

Riaz`
Sep 25, 2013 04:02pm

@Aqib: Thats good....and the people who are opposed to this decision must read the comments.

ali
Sep 25, 2013 04:10pm

I think its nothing,by the way if u see the cruel and disgusting behaviour of the Nust Eme college Academic Studies Group Department then its nothing, they are mentally torturing students like giving an F grade on 73% attendance and not listening to any student for any issue or reason. Civilians are being treated like they are army soldiers or animals and they will do whatever army want, nothing else. If someone want to improve his grade which is also pre-req for other subjects , he will have to fight with them first, and in the end ,in any case you will be insulted by the cruel Army officers of EME with a rejection, i havenot seen any case being solved there whenever I tried. Every case is a rejection case just due to the meaning less Army Management. Some students are also made to cry but no outcome :(

Amna
Sep 25, 2013 04:16pm

I think its a good step towards morality, If parents shows no concerns in such important matters then let the teacher mend the soul of their students.

IMRAN HAIDER TARAR
Sep 25, 2013 04:26pm

kindly ask all the parents of the students who are right now studying at nust that how much satisfied they are with the administration of nust and rules and regulations implemented by Nust. if some one is so pissed with these rules and regulations of an institution, then he or she should read the prospectus before applying which states all the rules about dress codes and keep away from such institutions. tomorrow some one will be arguing about whether to wear skirt for the university or not and then again imposing rules will be called talibanisation ? this is not liberalism. i have been a student at Nust and please do note that these strict rules (whether in dress or study) are the primary reason for the rise of this university to the standards where it is now

Zeyad Rehman
Sep 25, 2013 04:26pm

@JJ: Ur words are powerful " I am what I am because of NUST " Proud to be a Nustian

khanm
Sep 25, 2013 04:26pm

NUST. Does it stand for complete code of life? Their job is to teach science and technology. Those who make their dress a principal part of themselves, will, in general, become of no more value than their dress. You can be decent in a jean, or vulgar underneath an abbays

roquefort
Sep 25, 2013 04:32pm

@Yasir: I studied in pakistan and wore a frock until 8th class later 4 years at school n college frock n churidar sans dupatta in a co-education ,never heard of any religious dictates or talking to other gender a problem like now .Those were good old days. I don't pray but have been a good human being . Will change this for nothing not even heaven after death.

Pea Brain
Sep 25, 2013 04:37pm

@khan: What Fashion Ground? What do you mean like Europe? Are you even aware of the POST-MODERN condition? Stop being such a fascist and let people decide their own morals, thank you. Also, NUST relies on these students and will be worth NOTHING if it weren't for students so please stop playing that card. Any respectable institution takes pride in its students and does not disown them. Correct your mental reach.

G.A.
Sep 25, 2013 04:34pm

Thank God for American universities. No useless interference from the administration there. Precisely why they have landed on the moon already and we can barely fix gutters. Free your minds please!

Breaking Bad
Sep 25, 2013 04:40pm

@AT: Are you crazy? That's like saying that Germany still needs to follow in Hitler's footsteps because they're the ancestors who were supposed to guide them. And what's wrong if our youth wants liberation and freedom? Nobody wants to be guided by the Taliban. mmm no thanks

Pea Brain
Sep 25, 2013 04:40pm

@Malik: What's the need of making the TRIBUNE & DAWN comparison? Goes on to show how you operate.

Ahmed
Sep 25, 2013 04:40pm

Taliban ideology is now institutionalized.

Alveena
Sep 25, 2013 04:40pm

@Yasir: no need to bring Quran verses here. I don't get why people drag religion into everything. Islam does not force people to do what it wants. It just provide guidelines.

Alveena
Sep 25, 2013 04:40pm

@Yasir: no need to bring Quran verses here. I don't get why people drag religion into everything. Islam does not force people to do what it wants. It just provide guidelines.

Ahmed
Sep 25, 2013 04:42pm

And why men are allowed to wear tight jeans. Doesn't it show their body prominence which can attract women. Why this hypocrisy?

anonymous
Sep 25, 2013 04:46pm

so mentioning the hostels no one can go to another block of hostel after 11pm even for studying, no permission is allowed whatsoever reason is! freshmen are sleeping on mattress on floors! The amount of fine is even ridiculous 1000 rupess for driving above 40km/hr and you also have to pay rupees 100 if you need to get any document verified from your school!!!

Breaking Bad
Sep 25, 2013 04:42pm

@Yasir: Here comes the sun.... did I say sun? I meant Taliban.

Muhamma Saqib
Sep 25, 2013 04:43pm

@khurram: Well said

Fact is Fact
Sep 25, 2013 04:43pm

@Amna: Being a girl, you should at least be a little feminist and ask you women rights properly rather than going for a male-dominated approach. Why women has to stop themselves so guys can be in their moral values? why always girls ??

KAREEM
Sep 25, 2013 04:49pm

Indeed a good step from NUST.. why to tag it as Talibanization.... whats wrong in wearing descent dress...shame on us!

zia
Sep 25, 2013 04:52pm

brilliant step towards morality ...appreciated ...:)

Imran
Sep 25, 2013 04:52pm

@asif mahmud: ur so right. Just look at the philosophers, thinkers and scientists the muslims and madrases have produced from the industrial age to the space age from electricity to computers all done by Hijab wearing females and decently dressed muslim males. Millions of students from europe and america come to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to study because all they have in their universities and schools is vulgarity.

Asim
Sep 25, 2013 04:52pm

It's very painful to see our media and related people propagating non issues in a not-so-mature way. Every educational institute worldwide has dress codes according to her native cultural and academic norms. I was going through web to support this claim and found that MIT, Harvard, Oxford etc, all have very strict dress codes and violations can lead up to suspenstion. Look at the below link to believe it.

http://www.manipal.edu/institutions/engineeringandit/mit/student'scorner/rulesandregulations/pages/dresscodeforstudents.aspx

Extremist behaviors, both conservative and liberal are dangerous for us. We, including media, should act responsibly in a rational manner while discussing and propagating our viewpoints and should not try to impose our own marrow agenda without taking a holistic picture.

Breaking Bad
Sep 25, 2013 04:52pm

I am astonished at people saying that NUST is not a fashion ground, its an educational institute. Cambridge and Oxford are also educational institutes but I'm pretty sure people like to dress up fancy there and the students focus on their studies more than fashion. Fashion is a mode of expression and it has no bearing upon academic performance. I'm sure they should set limits as to no allowance of wearing shorts and or vulgar clothes but they shouldn't restrict basic clothing accessories such as jeans and imposition of hijab. Mind you, not all girls want to cover their heads. And mind you, Pakistan was once Hindu then why not adhere to Hinduism too. Change is the most constant thing about our universe.

zia
Sep 25, 2013 04:53pm

:)

awais
Sep 25, 2013 05:02pm

Respect for Dawn News!!

awais
Sep 25, 2013 04:58pm

Respect for Dawn News!!

Fizza Tahir
Sep 25, 2013 05:01pm

@Abdul Qadir: army officers are more educated than someone like you.... there job is not only to protect the country from outside but from inside also, and if you choose to be in nust then u have to follow all the rules whether you like them or not and if u don't want to follow the rules you are most welcome to get the hell out of nust and if you are a muslim all these rules wouldn't have bothered you and if you are not a muslim well than there is nothing more to say about that, if you dont want to follow these islamic rules u can fly to any Eastern country whenever you want(if u can :p) and dress as u like, no u body will ask you anything then.

Fizza Tahir
Sep 25, 2013 05:01pm

@Abdul Qadir: army officers are more educated than someone like you.... there job is not only to protect the country from outside but from inside also, and if you choose to be in nust then u have to follow all the rules whether you like them or not and if u don't want to follow the rules you are most welcome to get the hell out of nust and if you are a muslim all these rules wouldn't have bothered you and if you are not a muslim well than there is nothing more to say about that, if you dont want to follow these islamic rules u can fly to any Eastern country whenever you want(if u can :p) and dress as u like, no u body will ask you anything then.

Aftab Ahmed Shah
Sep 25, 2013 05:01pm

In my opinion it is a very good on part of an acadamic institution to put a limit and ask students to have respectable appreance. Defining a dress code for students is the prerogative of the institution and students are obliged to follow the same. Parents must also encourage their wards to follow rules laid down by the institution.

ali
Sep 25, 2013 05:14pm

Why cant students become better Muslims in institutes like NUST. Why have they choose madrasas to become better Muslims?

Why dont liberal students go to American universities why NUST. They may be able to have laugh, dance, drink and whatever they want.

The problem is we always criticise others, we dont accept/take if someone has something good for us.

Practicality and Intellectuality only comes when evil wishes don't surround you. Didn't prophet said keep away from non muharam relation.

We are becoming modern Muslims without following our Quran and Sunnah?

@Ossy:

S Bara
Sep 25, 2013 05:16pm

@Ahmed: What is this body prominence. Did you mean ankles and toes.

Huma
Sep 25, 2013 05:12pm

I think NUST has again done cheap method for moral uplifting of students. A DUPATTA does not make the girls moral. Who are these people to tell a girl to take dupatta or not!! Nextt iem they'll punish for not saying PRAYERS 5 TIMES!! WITH ATTENDANCE!!?? EDUCATE the students' minds! Educate then how a man with BEARD can talk to a girl WITHOUT DUPATTA, and how a girl can talk to BOYS!! WITHOUT BECOMING SEXUAL! EDUCATE THEM!! Don't strangle the society with your mindsets! Don't strangle the new generations! Answer their questions. Listen to them. Discuss with them. Yo're not the COMMANDO of students. YOU ARE A UNIVERSITY!!

Huma
Sep 25, 2013 05:15pm

'and' JEANS is not SHETAN! it's a piece of cloth! like lawn, chicken, etc. Jeans is KAPRA. For the students, don't wear tight cloths! BUT DO wear DRESS PANT AND DRESS SHIRT- EVEN FOR GIRLS!!

Raj Patel
Sep 25, 2013 05:32pm

@iqbal Zaidi: Why only female student ?? Why not at home also or every girls from todler to senior citizen should not allowed to wear jeans and tights!!! Or why they allow to sale jeans to the female in first place!!!! ban manufacturing women jeans or western attire or ban importing women western attire!!!! So simple will save lot of time and energy so that can be diverted to resolve much bigger problem!!!!! What a joke thy name is Pakistani administrators!!!!!

Faryal
Sep 25, 2013 05:39pm

@Alveena: Islam just force to follow the rules of ALLAH and his Rasool S.W.T....don't think negative for Islam rules just see and follow what ALLAH said in QURAN .Don't listen to anyone ,that's it

Abdul Basit
Sep 25, 2013 05:44pm

@Shafiq Khan: You are perhaps those parents who does not bother checking in the morning, how pathetic and unacceptable dress the daughter is wearing before going to university.

Rathore
Sep 25, 2013 05:45pm

In my humble opinion its not the matter of dress codes, jeans,tights or dupatta......Being Muslims whether its male or female a kind of clothes we should all wear that hides and should conceal our Body parts in such a way that it should not attract/appeal others or sensitive body part or their shapes be visible to others.......... Its a common law.....if a lady or a man is dressed up where her every inch is visible even if u say it is covered.......it is not....for her or him it may be a fashion or freedom or liberty but in reality it is a sin......he or she is not only dragging herself to an extent where they will be answerable to Allah......More over just see in our daily common life if a lady is modestly dressed up and knows the limits as per the teaching of islam......she will be looked upon largely with honour and dignity in our society.....where as on the other hand if a female is clothing in such a way that every eye raises a question deep inside.....Do u think she will have that honour......i have all my doubts

Raj Patel
Sep 25, 2013 05:45pm

@Shehryar Malik: Because they need educated uncivilized taliban as a product and not intellectual like Abdus Salam!!!!

Faraz
Sep 25, 2013 05:45pm

I salute to NUST administration for mainting decency in their prestigious institute.Vulgar western dresses should not allowed anywhere in our decent country.

MCS Student
Sep 25, 2013 05:49pm

DUpatttaaaa ?? I was fined Rs.500 for wearing pale pink Socks instead of white! Beat that !

national college of business administration
Sep 25, 2013 05:57pm

good work

national college of business administration
Sep 25, 2013 05:53pm

good work

Usman
Sep 25, 2013 06:00pm

u dont like this u should leave NUST, u only know the importance of rules and regualtion when u join practical life. Alot of companies prefer nustian over the other people because they are well groomed.

student
Sep 25, 2013 06:01pm

@Huma: Only one thing I want to say in responce to your whole lecture and that Moral values of a student/person in a society is much more valuable thn his education if you are true muslim.

Zafar Abbas
Sep 25, 2013 06:01pm

@Faraz: your decent country, you call it a country? Decency is a quality that comes after that.

Aftab Ahmed Shah
Sep 25, 2013 06:01pm

@Huma: My earnest prayer is that may Allah help you and guide you to the right path for your ownb salvation.

student
Sep 25, 2013 05:59pm

@Fizza Tahir: Well said (y)

mrs asim
Sep 25, 2013 06:05pm

isn't wearing tights with long shirts and no dupatta in fashion in Pakistan????? how come NUST girls are not allowed this??? TERRIBLE!!!

Aeronaut
Sep 25, 2013 06:05pm

NUST also fined GUYS for wearing jeans. The outrage is only for girls? is the author deliberately making a mountain out of a molehole? Keep moderating the truth...

j2003
Sep 25, 2013 06:15pm

NUST also fined boys for wearing jeans as it is against the set dress code. But Ikram Junaidi's title for this report shows ill intention and unprofessionalism at its best.

Old Student
Sep 25, 2013 06:11pm

Appreciated, A right step in a right direction, NUST is a academic institution and everyone studying there should follow the rules and regulations set by the institute. If you can't follow the rules find some other institute.

ezc
Sep 25, 2013 06:17pm

The author almost forgot about the Rs. 1000/= fine by the internal traffic police and their damn speed guns.

Afif Naeem
Sep 25, 2013 06:25pm

Why only penalize girls for wearing jeans, and not boys? Why not penalize boys for not sporting ugly beards, white overall sheets, and a maswaak? Who has given the NUST admn. the authority to judge the students? Religion is a personal matter, between god (if there is such a thing) and an individual.

Ali
Sep 25, 2013 06:29pm

The large number of comments supporting NUST have really put the 'liberal hypocrites' on the back foot. And while DAWN was expecting a lot of appreciation for publishing this useless news item, I am sure the editors will now be rethinking their decision of making an issue out of a non-issue!

Gulbaz Mushtaq
Sep 25, 2013 06:40pm

NUST is very good institute. And for discipline it is good. I support their decision of fining those who do not obey official dress code. What is wrong with it? I wonder why Dawn is highlighting this issue. In private offices, even employees are not allowed to wear Jeans and Shalwar Qameez? Why not highlight this? It is to do with what? Very disappointing yellow journalism.

B.E student NUST
Sep 25, 2013 06:42pm

@Asim: Very well said! This issue has been needlessly blown out of proportion! Every student of NUST is given the Code of Conduct handbook upon joining and they are aware of the fact that there is a fine if you do not follow it. Also, there is NO administrative policy regarding male and female segregation. You are free to talk to whoever you want to within you respective schools and colleges. There are reasons the other rules have been made and it would do everyone better to actually contact the administration about your problems rather than whining about it on social media sites.

Shaukat
Sep 25, 2013 06:47pm

@Faryal: Please leave Allah alone he has other matters to attend such as war in Syria, famine in Africa rather than looking at who is wearing what. Please stop talibanization of Pakistan.

ahmet abdulaziz
Sep 25, 2013 06:48pm

@mrs asim:

i fully agree with you. Dupatta has become an outdated piece of cloth, forcibly made to wear.

ahmet abdulaziz
Sep 25, 2013 06:46pm

@Rathore: we must avoid extremism, and select the middle way to be decent. We must not wear obscene clothes. We must not wear a burqa. As far dupatta is concerned, it has already become a feature of past. Now its no more considered as a necessary part of female dress anymore.

ahmet abdulaziz
Sep 25, 2013 06:53pm

@Huma: we must be better human beings. Dupatta does not guarantee anything. It has rather become a feature of the past.

Kashmala
Sep 25, 2013 06:59pm

A very ill informed article.

Bilal
Sep 25, 2013 07:02pm

@Aeronaut: In NBS there is a dress code (twp piece suit) so everyone has to follow that.If a guy shows up in jeans than obiviously he will be fined

mystic
Sep 25, 2013 07:04pm

Why is military running universities in the first place? Isn't their job to protect us?

kathy
Sep 25, 2013 07:09pm

@IMRAN HAIDER TARAR: This is great news that dress code has led to a good standard of education, hence the reason why Pakistani military produced so many military dictators who sent the country to gallows. All because of good dress code

kathy
Sep 25, 2013 07:14pm

@Asim: MIT karnataka cannot be compared with Oxford and Harvard, check the website and see where there is dress code for girls only. Do not compare apples with oranges.

fahad
Sep 25, 2013 07:14pm

I am sure one learns better from experience. Pardah is our religious obligation. In no way i am a proponent of Ninja Hijab, it definitely shatters the confidence of young teens. We must put on a dress which is reasonably fashionable and at the same time do not incite others leading to problems. The bottom line is the middle line. I would request my younger generation to preserve their values.

Umer Mehmood Khokhar
Sep 25, 2013 07:13pm

@mrs asim: yes you are right , !

Student
Sep 25, 2013 07:17pm

@mrs asim: With all dues respect, fashion might soon become girls wearing sleeve less shirts, backless dresses, capris and everything. Does it mean we let go of our culture and moral values? Nust is an international university but it is still in the 'islamic' republic of Pakistan and moral values in the society are important

Saneea
Sep 25, 2013 07:18pm

Theres nothing like this in NUST that it has become a taliban centre or any extremist thing like this. the students are only asked to wear formal dresses, this dress code was pre-read by everyone who joined the institution so whats it to them now?? NUST is completly peaceful!

Mansoor Malik
Sep 25, 2013 07:26pm

It is very dis-heartening to read all this for a person who was head of 6 NUST Institutes and who gave the new emblem of NUST before shifting to the new H-12 Campus with the caption DEFINING FUTURES. This is not our vision and the time may have come to De-militarize all our Education Institutes.

Aimen
Sep 25, 2013 07:22pm

LOL.. so not going there

shakir
Sep 25, 2013 07:23pm

That is an excellent step taken by NUST. That is the reason why NUST is prefered over other universities.

Beenish
Sep 25, 2013 07:28pm

Shame on us. Creating hype on such a small issue. What's the big deal? If during school we can have uniform from 8:00 am to 2:00 pm then why can't we just follow the dress code from 9:00 to 5:00 pm. We come to university for studies not to participate in a fashion show.Aren't there other issues which need much attention than this. We ppl are just telling the world that we are not even united on a dress code issue. Poor us girls and boys in our university cannot go to the same cafe after 5:00.... OMG the biggest Zulm.... on whom I don't know.

Mohsin Aziz Syed
Sep 25, 2013 07:32pm

Back to uniform........

And how come students of the same class or uni are not allowed to talk to each other.........this is insane.

swa(makin)
Sep 25, 2013 07:29pm

Well done NUST ,being a muslim we should appreciate this .and in nust boys are also fined on jeans because it is told before admission what you can wear. The author views are so misleading .Why you just portrait girls. Just think being a father of those girls .

Mubeen Fatima
Sep 25, 2013 07:35pm

This isn't true. Those were fined because they are business students and there is a dress code you have to follow in Business. As far as cafes are concerned, girls demanded for it. NUST is not a "taliban markaz". You should not post such articles without any facts and figures

Sarmad
Sep 25, 2013 07:37pm

running the institution like a military academy? stop promoting lies based on your own opinions.

Mubeen Fatima
Sep 25, 2013 07:37pm

@mrs asim: Its not terrible and in business you have to follow dress code. and no duppata is not the culture here in Pakistan

abid ali shah
Sep 25, 2013 07:47pm

it is good decision taken by (Administration) of NUSt Uni because uni is not a picnic point every student wear dress on his own choice

Ehsan
Sep 25, 2013 07:52pm

We should keep the emotionality out of this discussion, because one person's modesty is another person's obscenity. All religions of the world profess modesty, but noone can agree to define modesty, even within Islam., and thus it is best to leave modesty on individuals discretion, and rather propagate the concept of self-control which we completely neglect and not make Islam a religion of men against women.

Mirza Asad Baig
Sep 25, 2013 07:49pm

@ahq: A useless but fact-based news.

nust student
Sep 25, 2013 07:49pm

a real soft piece of journalism by dawn news. Once again the media is making a big issue out of absolutely nothing. The fact is the concerned students study in Nust Business School and it their policy. They have a strict dress code for BOTH male and female students where the males are required to wear formal attire and female students are instructed to wear shalwar kameez. every institution has its own rules and regulations and these are what the students of N.B.S follow. There is no 'so called talibinisation' in NUST and it would do well for the author to know that such statements on social media sites are made humorously. A university or any institution for that matter has the right to enforce its own rules and regulations on its constituents. NUST is one of the most respected institutes in Pakistan and it is a shame that its name is being associated with such an article. i hope in the future dawn news actually thinks before printing such garbage and that the author can find something better to do with his time.

Saad Shaikh
Sep 25, 2013 07:50pm

I assent with mr Aurenat, the article shows that his close relatives were fined and he's trying to avenge of his or their 1000 fine. As far as this restriction about dupatta and not wearing tight and jeans, in the university of "Islamic Republic of Pakistan, I don't know why author is so against and too much worried.

Rez
Sep 25, 2013 07:58pm

I am proud of the rules n regulations made by nust. I wish all educational institutions make the same rules. Although it is duty of parents to guide their children to right path but unfortunately most of them don't know it themselves,so since Allah has kept status of teachers just after parents and if they are trying to save your daughter from being indecent, you should be grateful to them. By the way dupatta is a symbol of prestige for a Muslim girl and the cheap fashion of removal of dupatta must be followed blindly as in Syrah e Noor Allah says "tell Muslim women to cover their chest with a cloth".

noor
Sep 25, 2013 08:04pm

@Rathore: If she does not have that honor....then it's her problem. She is at the loosing end......So please leave her alone and let her loose.

atta
Sep 25, 2013 08:07pm

@Raj Patel: i did not know that civilization is equal to tights and jeans

Mirza Asad Baig
Sep 25, 2013 08:11pm

@Fawad : What does this have to do with 'dress code'. I am all for decency and Islamic dress code, but what does it have to do with 'Jeans'? Either there should be a uniform or 'no uniform'. Whatever the case it should be in line with Islamic guidelines. I personally would prefer uniform for even universities in Pakistan in ordre to reduce the class gap, as most of us belong to the middle or lower middle class.

IMRAN HAIDER TARAR
Sep 25, 2013 08:07pm

@Asim: every body should just see the link posted by asim about dress code in MIT. and then blame MIT for talibanisation also as there seem to be more strict rules than NUST. oh i forgot they are americans, we cant follow them. nice link Asim. thumbs up

T
Sep 25, 2013 08:10pm

@Imran: uhh.. you might want to check your numbers there!! which amazing muslim scholars fueled the industrial revolution OR the space age?! and MILLIONs of people from europe come to study in pakistan and the middle east?! I highly doubt that number, my friend! People from Pakistan and the middle east go abroad to study in heavier numbers!

noor
Sep 25, 2013 08:13pm

we as a society are very good at putting labels....."Chouri dar pajama" is acceptable but jeans are not.In many cases jeans is less revealing but we put a tag of liberalism to it. Moreover i read in comments......NUSTians are well groomed.....the only grooming that is required by a student is the skills that he/she acquire at university. Can they formulate problems and solve them ? Cadet-cut hairstyle, dress pants, dupattas may be part of definition but please for students there are many other things which are ALSO important. NUST is very concerned about the "moral grooming" of its students but may I ask them about the quality of education as well. Poor math teachers who have no idea what they are teaching and why they are teaching. Its a common thing and many nustians will agree to this. They start and end semesters without getting any bigger picture....Poor students. Please improve the quality of education at your institutes and leave morality to be handled by parents.Its NOT YOUR JOB !!!!!

a
Sep 25, 2013 08:13pm

It doesn't matter what you, but the graduates from NUST are one of the best in the whole country.

haroon
Sep 25, 2013 08:18pm

It is not necessarily religion. You have a certain discipline in such institutions, to create uniformity. I don't see anything wrong if they enforce discipline in universities.

Mofassir
Sep 25, 2013 08:19pm

@Aeronaut: NUST Business School, (where that notification was posted) has a DRESS CODE i-e Formal Dress Pants and Shirts with Tie. Were you allowed into your school or college if you werent in the proper uniform. i think not. Secondly girls were fined for wearing Jeans as the article implies. That point is completely False it was the boys who werent following the dress code by wearing jeans who got fined.

Ahsan
Sep 25, 2013 08:15pm

Welcome to NUST-Madarsa-ul-Islam....

Mofassir
Sep 25, 2013 08:17pm

@Raj Patel: so adhering to rules makes people talibans. Very interesting way of looking at rule.

Bablo
Sep 25, 2013 08:23pm

wow...what a BIG NEWS to be selected as HEADLINE... please stop screwing up with such minor administrative things...

Zia
Sep 25, 2013 08:25pm

@anonymous:

In my opinion the fine of Rs. 1000 for overspreading and the verification fee of Rs 100 is reasonable. The problem is that we are not used to following rules in our daily routine.

I am a student here and had to pay $45 last month for a minor parking infringement in the campus.

Khaled
Sep 25, 2013 08:23pm

@Raamis: who says its the top university, where does LUMS,IBA and Agha Khan stand

Khaled
Sep 25, 2013 08:30pm

It seems the remnants of Zia have taken over NUST

Arfa Asif
Sep 25, 2013 08:28pm

Wow, this is so great. People, here, have totally lost their cultures. I wish they could implement such environment in the whole country.

S.Abbas
Sep 25, 2013 08:29pm

Irresponsible journalism at its height. A newspaper that is circulated on a national scale takes hear say comment from blogs and the social media. This aritcal fails to point out the fact that the students were fined for smoking, which is banned in institutions all over. This article is full of incomplete and inaccurate facts. Apart from the author, i am in shock and awe about the the writer's immediate supervisor who approved without verifying the content.

Moiz
Sep 25, 2013 08:34pm

@Usman: Oo yara bs kar... prefer gikians ko bhi kiya jata.. Jeans Pehan nay se Grooming khtam nhi hojaty.. Aur aise baat hain to NUST ki website se pehlay "without doppata" ladkio ki pics hatao .. phr baat kartay ha

Saifee
Sep 25, 2013 08:32pm

@muhammad: I think the point is missed here. Not only Pakistani but every institutes and organisations in the world can have a dress code as long as that does not infringe the basic human rights. This is nothing to do with the religion or culture but the norm of that particular industry and the environment. You would never see a CEO of a company attending a meeting waearing shorts, t-shirts and flip flops. Similarly in vast majority of the companies here in UK or for any other western countries you will not find any female wearing mini skirts, even though they can argue that they are free to wear whatever they want. How many people have you seen in Pakistan going for a job interview wearing Shalwar Kameez? Try that for yourself if you go for an interview next time.

Having said that, this is a two way street. The right to choose and follow a religion is a basic human right so you can not dictate someone what to wear and what not to wear unless there is very strong reason. For example you would not be allowed to wear face veil while working as a doctor/nurse in a hospital. Similarly there are very strict codes for wearing hijab if you are working in hospitals in UK. All these are because of health and safety reasons. Similarly if you are a witnessing during a court procedure, the jury will obviously need to see your face in order to judge your version of the story. You can not insist no to take off your face veil in these kind of situations. There is simply no logical or religous reason for that.

Regarding the second part of your question, I do not know why other "people like me" object but I would try to explain where I stand by giving you this example. If someone will ask my opionin on face veil, I would say it is not mandatory in the religion. Equally however I would say if someone chooses to do so then they are well within their rights and the governments should not intervene in that except for the reasons I mentioned above.

Hope this clarifies.

suggestion
Sep 25, 2013 08:33pm

I don't really know if nust attracts foreign students but just imagine a Christian girl in USA reading the prospectus of nust university, finds it interesting, applies, gets in, only to find out the next day she is fined for not wearing the dupatta. We have to admit that we live in a global economy where the world is our market where we have to reach a golden mean both in terms of culture, work ethos, and reasoning approach. All I believe at this point is that this decision shall be detrimental for the brand equity of nust on a global scale. I also feel for the people talking about religion, values and morals in relation to a university that is ranked among the top 300. I mean if you want to push such codes of conduct to ensure the restoration of our culture and not adopt the eastern principles then the first thing the admin should do is abandon the cultural exchange program followed by banning aisec too and to finally save the university ban foreigners from applying, if this hasn't been done already :p .

hira siddiqui
Sep 25, 2013 08:38pm

@mrs asim: For whom it may concern, I am a nustian and girls DO wear long shirts with tights here. The thing is that the business school in NUST has a proper dress code. Infact, every student of nust signed a handbook that had a dresscode before joining the university. And it is quite reasonable you can find the handbook online if you want to. It says the dress should be "decent" and it shouldn't offend others. Is this too much to ask? Nust provides us a peaceful and decent atmosphere to its students and sometimes if the students aren't abiding by the rules (that they agreed to themselves) then is it wrong to impose a fine? Ask yourself and shame on you DAWN news. Without knowing the exact whats and whys you posted an article on the net. Wow! Hats off to you for defaming the university that probably produces the best and the most groomed students of Pakistan. You must have an awful lot of free time on your hands Dawn news.

hira siddiqui
Sep 25, 2013 08:44pm

@Huma: God, Huma please contact me I really would like you to take you on a trip to NUST. Maybe, perhaps then you can judge better. And I'm quite serious about this. Do consider whether you want to know the truth or not.

Bisma Shahzad
Sep 25, 2013 08:48pm

I'm a student at NUST and this is totally "twisting and spicing the truth." We are only asked to wear decent dresses and, honestly, I don't see anything wrong with that. Media really should consider finding out the complete truth before publishing.

Imran
Sep 25, 2013 08:45pm

Dress code should say, " Dress moderately". and let that be left to the interpretation of young adults. Any extremes should be discouraged by the admin.

I would also discourage burqa's and niqabs just as much as shorts and revealing tight clothing.

Common sense people.

Proud NUSTian
Sep 25, 2013 08:52pm

@Huma: Your comment hasn't got any coherence nor making any sense. Please first try to gather your thoughts. A sincere advice.

Pink Cofee
Sep 25, 2013 08:48pm

@Faraz: Yeah your country is soo decent!! that's why is doing so well in every sector (NOT)

Janikhel
Sep 25, 2013 08:54pm

@Faraz: Decency is the direct functin of actions, behaviour and respect of fellow mankind, what a nonsensical notion of picking on poor female students as to what they can and what they cannot wear, my wife wears very short pants in summer, so is rest of the city where I live, but they rescue every living species with respect, it is respect for "Ashraf Ull Mukhlukaat" as we were taught.

naghman qureshi
Sep 25, 2013 08:54pm

@Imran: keep dreaming

Ammad
Sep 25, 2013 08:59pm

Seriously!!! This is the standard DAWN has fallen to. The only topic left to talk about in an INTERNATIONAL NEWSPAPER is why students were fined.. And I thought only GEO could fall so low!! Damn.. Is there no decent newspaper in town??

Sara
Sep 25, 2013 09:03pm

Only NUST Business School has this dress code. All the other schools in H-12 are not forbidden from wearing jeans or tights. Deputy Director Administrations, did not you think for even a single second before signing this document that you're being indecent while publicly pointing out a girl with the phrase "no dupatta" or "wearing tights"? Had it been your daughter's name, which was read by not only students but faculty member and hundred others, would you have signed it? Not long ago in NIMS; NUST Institute of Management and Sciences, a retired army personnel (who still holds a powerful position in H-12) used to scan girls from head to toe to see if the dress code was violated. Does this seem Islamic and ethical to you? Would you like someone to use or read your daugther's or sister's name like this? I'm ashamed at times to say I am a part of this community, this society with hypocritical mindsets!

Hamid
Sep 25, 2013 09:00pm

This is poor reporting by Dawn. No girl was fined for wearing jeans. Only the guys were fined for wearing jeans because it is against the dress code for the business school's dress code. A correction should be made here.

Proud NUSTian
Sep 25, 2013 09:00pm

@Naveed: You are clearly a case of jealousy. Someone who fantasized about getting into NUST. Then he couldn't and the grapes got sour.

Rez
Sep 25, 2013 09:04pm

I am proud of the rules n regulations made by nust. I wish all educational institutions make the same rules. Although it is duty of parents to guide their children to right path but unfortunately most of them don't know it themselves,so since Allah has kept status of teachers just after parents and if they are trying to save your daughter from being indecent, you should be grateful to them. By the way dupatta is a symbol of prestige for a Muslim girl and the cheap fashion of removal of dupatta must be followed blindly as in Syrah e Noor Allah says "tell Muslim women to cover their chest with a cloth".

raja hindustani
Sep 25, 2013 09:09pm

Women wearing jeans in Pakistan...!!! That's surprising...!!!!

Pink Cofee
Sep 25, 2013 09:10pm

@Fizza Tahir: Please encourage more students and the youth of your nation to be narrow minded so more minorities in your country can suffer, like burning of church in Peshawar, (why because they are different) no wonder there are a lot of minorities fleeing from your great tolerate country! learn to accept individuality and more tolerance. You people don't even accept you own Muslims from different sects!! So please keep all your preaching and prayers to yourself. Stop judging other country and open your eyes and look at the state of your own country.

AA
Sep 25, 2013 09:21pm

This is control and oppression, nothing else. NUSTians, please stop apologizing for NUST's horribly conservative policies.

Welcome to the dark ages, ladies.

humanity_crying
Sep 25, 2013 09:21pm

The foundation of Islam is so weak that girls wearing jeans can shake it. And Muslim guys are so out of control creatures that they get aroused by seeing girls in jeans. Way to go Pakistan!!

KAMRAN
Sep 25, 2013 09:26pm

Step ahead of orders, list of female students of NUST fined by administration for not having Dupata/Shawl and wearing tight jeans

Pakistani media should highlight this thing (In respectable and encouraging way) too. I personally appreciate this step of NUST University other Pakistani universities should also introduce a proper dressing code and ban jeans, tight dresses of female students. Pakistan is a Muslim country and being Muslims we should dress in light of Islam and Sun'nah. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=589982347714329&set=a.127025470676688.13081.126797247366177&type=1&theater

Shariq
Sep 25, 2013 09:23pm

@Fizza Tahir: Fly off to an Eastern country? Like Pakistan? You geography is a bit off (putting it mildly). I am curious where you went to school. I hope it wasn't NUST.

Khokhar
Sep 25, 2013 09:27pm

nice i like it.

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  • The management of National University of Sciences and Technology (Nust) has made it mandatory for female students to wear
fhtf
Sep 25, 2013 09:29pm

@ali: Well said

Ahmed
Sep 25, 2013 09:28pm

lol's i am a male student of NUST and last i was fined 500 rs for wearing jean's kisi news paper may nahi aaya :(

Kha g
Sep 25, 2013 09:28pm

@Fizza Tahir: As far as the dress code is concerned, that is perfectly understandable in my opinion. However, NUST is not only doing that , but is also turning off the INTERNET, not letting students out of the dorms at night , and a hundred things more. This is a jail , not a university. The campus life should be one of excitement and fun mixed with academics and shouldn't feel like prison. And by excitement , I don't mean non-Islamic values. Do not twist my words.

Patriot
Sep 25, 2013 09:34pm

Dear all nustians do follow the rules if u dont like it go somewhere else... join oxford, wear what ever u want, live as u like...this is not the matter to draw a line between talibaan or fashionable generation...u are studying in pretigeous institution ...set an example.....and at last do not give lame excuses for God sake!!!!!

Mudaser Sekhery
Sep 25, 2013 09:37pm

It is very sad to see this post by most renowned newspaper of Pakistan. They should do research this before publishing this article. Not only girls, but boys are also fined. This fine is imposed on business student for not following the dress code. Even for the driver of sale department of my company it is not allowed to wear jeans and he has to do formal dressing. So, for business students it is necessary for them to follow the formal dressing. They are promoting professionalism not Talibanization. By publishing this article, Dawn has lost its credibility. Shame for them.

Mansoor
Sep 25, 2013 09:39pm

It happened in NBS where no student is allowed to wear jeans, and there is a big difference between having no "dupatta" and not wearing Dupatta!

Mudaser Sekhery
Sep 25, 2013 09:47pm

@mrs asim: its only for business students. Even driver of sale department of my company is not allowed to wear jeans. Everyone in sale department has to follow formal dressing. So, NUST is promoting professionalism not Talibanization.

Ali
Sep 25, 2013 09:50pm

I like your comments. You have raised real questions. Its so simple to criticise some one. Why Why Why to point figure on someone good work.

Why don't you answer of your questions yourself FIRST then ask someone to implement what you think is right. You might be very intellectual. They might take your views.

@Huma:

naghman qureshi
Sep 25, 2013 09:50pm

@Alveena: i agree teaching institutions must remain secular

noor
Sep 25, 2013 09:47pm

@a:

But not best in world.....

hassan
Sep 25, 2013 09:55pm

Rules are made to be followed. and Moral values are imposed by the Culture. and the terminology "Moral Values" is relative.

khaled
Sep 25, 2013 09:56pm

With this sort of discipline, only soldiers can be produced, for grooming of scholars you need a free thinking environment.

hassan
Sep 25, 2013 09:57pm

@mrs asim: no its not. i think you live in posh area of Karachi or live in Blue Area in Islamabad. and it is possible you never go to Down Town, so You can see the Culture!!!

Naveed Ahmad
Sep 25, 2013 10:03pm

The Quebec Provincial Government in Canada has recently introduced

HA
Sep 25, 2013 10:12pm

The picture depicting jeans at stores and tights , arent the real case , show them how they are worn , at least one can have an opinion . It shows your tilt in favor of ryt to wear any thing. We are living in an era where women are paid to wear bikinis where as they are fined , for wearing hijab , your article on that ?? hopefully not !

Nighat Mehkeri
Sep 25, 2013 10:18pm

As usual men worrying about women's clothing. Or people with nothing better to do insisting on making Islam all about women's clothing. An educational institution should concentrate on teaching what it's supposed to teach. If they want to worry about women, then just teach men to respect women.

Jehanzeb Idrees
Sep 25, 2013 10:20pm

@Raj Patel: Better take care of your own country first before poking your nose in the internal affairs of other countries. I'm sure you're well aware of the horrible comments by your religious, political and social workers after the notorious Delhi-gang rape, beat that first then comment on others.

It's the discretion of the organisations and institutions, I was asked not to wear shalwar kameez on Fridays by my employer, so should I expect from print media to launch a tirade against them as well? There's a simple rule to chose from one of the two things either you have to "take it or leave it", period!!!!!

Nighat Mehkeri
Sep 25, 2013 10:25pm

@Fizza Tahir: Before worrying about protecting the nation from jean clad women with no dupattas, the army should first protect innocent live that are being killed by the thousands. Freedom of choice in dressing isn't going to make widows, orphans or devastated parents.

Jehanzeb Idrees
Sep 25, 2013 10:24pm

@Huma: Then just be a student and follow the rules or leave it.

PrinceMani
Sep 25, 2013 10:29pm

Haye, burger bachon pe sakhti hui hai to kaise tarpay hain.

This has been happening in the NUST affiliated military colleges for more than 4 years now. BUt one thing is good about these military colleges, they let you SMOKE!

Agha Ata
Sep 25, 2013 10:29pm

I just wonder how wearing a jean can be problem in learning technology and sciences of any kind.

AM
Sep 25, 2013 10:30pm

LOL...they are allowed to wear whatever they want? i study in nbs today they were fining people for not wearing ties or the nust card for that matter...on boards girls are humiliated with things like wearing tights written in front of their names..u cant hang out with your female friends and this is what they say that we allow it...bullshit

Qaiser
Sep 25, 2013 10:33pm

@Aimen: as if u were selected

M A Hussain
Sep 25, 2013 10:38pm

Obviously, the liberal fascists in Pakistan love anything like this, so that can not only show their true feelings about Islamic teachings as well as golden opportunity to malign the army.

chaudhry
Sep 25, 2013 10:45pm

i dont know why the media is making the fuss about it.. every institute has its rules. u dont like them , dont join them , simple as that. here in the west they dont let you put the veil on , coz its not an islamic state, but unfortunately in our country in the name of secularism people are trying to forget islamic teachings.

SAK
Sep 25, 2013 10:41pm

@Faraz: who dislikes your comment should think about themselves if they are Muslims..........

Hassan
Sep 25, 2013 10:44pm

Run by "retied Army officers" says it all. Going to business school doesn't mean one should dress up in a suit and tie. They are providing education not providing training for the corporate world.

Fara
Sep 25, 2013 10:47pm

".....some female students have been fined Rs500 to Rs1,000 for wearing jeans and tights and for not wearing dupatta".

Were they fined because they wore jeans AND not dupptta. Would they have been fined if they wore jeans AND duppatta?

Yusuf
Sep 25, 2013 10:50pm

@fahad: Purdah is our religious obligation??

Farhan
Sep 25, 2013 11:00pm

@Agha Ata: As noted above, If you don't like them leave them

shaheryar
Sep 25, 2013 11:08pm

Rules are rule. they should be strictly followed in all walks of life. if rule is violated, the violator should be strictly charged.

Rabiya
Sep 25, 2013 11:05pm

NUST has been fining jeans wearers of NBS since the day NUST Business School was created. It is all part of the dress code. NBS is the only school where jeans are banned. All the other schools may dress up as they please. It is ridiculous how far you guys can go for a story. Irresponsible journalism needs to be curbed. And Dawn was the ONE newspaper, we mass communication students used to look up to for being rational and objective. Try to find stories outside the comfort of your houses and laptops, please.

Nustian
Sep 25, 2013 11:10pm

ok here's the deal, its not about dupattas. We nustains have that logical rational sense to get that our institution has a decorm.We understand that if we dress improperly chances are we will be fined, its only prudent and we respect that.

The problem is that the whole general environment is being bombarded with rules and regulations without any justification what so ever. Rules like no co-group gatherings after 5, different cafe's for boys an girls... the list is long and time of essence so in short I would say People are frustrated because they have no say what soever on there own life, dupatta drama was just like pinching the gas balloon.

So here's to #pro- rector.. Man come ON , we have a life. please don't walk all over it.

And here's to #chief-editor dawn,.. the above blog column was un-called for, in some places ur right the need for faculty assosiation to bridge gaps btw administration and people being administered . but the making such an elementary problem like fines on not wearing duppatas was impetuous and impulsive.It has been happening since years before and will keep that way in years to come, Know the Story Right

In the end #Nust Zinda-bad, #Pakistan Paindabad.

From:

Proud-Nustian

Nadeem (US)
Sep 25, 2013 11:11pm

Tights are not allowed in most of the schools in US. Did anybody point a finger to US schools?

Ali
Sep 25, 2013 11:12pm

You concentrate on women than learning. Your attention is diverted to her sexual appearance when she is showing her body than your study. @Agha Ata:

Ali
Sep 25, 2013 11:14pm

Please give some solution? What should be done and how it should be done? @Huma:

Ali
Sep 25, 2013 11:17pm

Fashion or Education? @mrs asim:

Yousuf D Shah
Sep 25, 2013 11:23pm

@Agha Ata:Yes i agree to day jeans what comes next no education for girl is Pakistan moving forward or back towards dark age .

Yousuf D Shah
Sep 25, 2013 11:24pm

What next !!!!!

Imtiaz Faruqui
Sep 25, 2013 11:27pm

I suggest the Admintration should be made to wear Shalwar kameez or Dhoti, which is the National dress. What is good for the goose is good for the ganda

Raj Patel
Sep 25, 2013 11:31pm

@atta: That's true but civilization doesn't mean moral policing either Mr. Atta. And why the rules for girls only?? Then every education institute should be converted to military academy and why not? They can be much more disciplined lot.

grey's anatomy
Sep 25, 2013 11:34pm

jeans or no jeans...they have a dress code...uniform almost...every instituion's codes and policies has to followed..like it or not....so this whole article was pointless...im not even in NUST n im saying that!!!...my medical college is a GOV one,it doesnt hav a dress code ,so no one cares what they wear .....but if someone will break the college's rule he/she will be accordingly dealt with.......SO PLZ IGNORANT WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE...."BAS KAR DO BAS" hahahaha:p

grey's anatomy
Sep 25, 2013 11:35pm

@Usman: exactly

Salman
Sep 25, 2013 11:36pm

@Agha Ata: Its not about jeans, its about culture, the Islamic culture, which is diminishing day by day,

dude
Sep 25, 2013 11:43pm

It is good to implement such rules but military officials should also show leniency and ethical conduct towards civilian students. Students are sometimes treated rudely by military administration of consequent military colleges of nust.

d,j
Sep 25, 2013 11:44pm

i suppose decent dress does not include jeans or tights...

Sani
Sep 25, 2013 11:48pm

@Ahmed: Because the article doesn't tell that ... See the notice that's viral on fb / twitter and you'll see that there is no hypocrisy in the action!

Zubair
Sep 25, 2013 11:59pm

This is an indecent conspiracy to malign one of the top universities of Pakistan. I have also studied at another top university in Pakistan which was run as strictly and with as much discipline as you can imagine in a military academy. It has made me and so many other graduates successful in our life and careers.

Those who do not believe in following rules of the institute have a choice to leave.

Farrukh
Sep 26, 2013 12:04am

you got to be kidding me what is all this for exactly ,talbinization seriously nice one dawn but seriously from what i hear if you are denied the privilege to cover an international conference you just don't go criticizing the institute even if it is not about revenge back out for your own sake. The rector already blew you out with a single strike. And one more thing try covering something important next time, i think that fines in universities should be the least of your concern when earthquakes are causing havoc among the people try boosting their morals instead of demoralizing the students of the best university in the country. They can break you off real bad . :)

kamran kahn
Sep 26, 2013 12:08am

Nust doesnot belong to the Fathers of those who want to Enforce Culture or Religon, this university gets funds infact most of the funds than any other uni from publc sector. and All ppl have their opinions, many think ke un ke islam ko kisi se bat cheet karne se kuch nahi ho ga. if some ppl want to enforce such things they shud go to army and do watever uniform or pradaing they want to do. and if some one wants to enforce religion send him to madarassa ... Engg unis r not for this purpose

Obaid
Sep 26, 2013 12:17am

@chaudhry: Islamic teachings or Saudi teachings ?

abc
Sep 26, 2013 12:19am

@Fizza Tahir: Well said Fizza. It is a known fact, that all islamic instructions are good for the entire manking.

Ahmed
Sep 26, 2013 12:21am

Well its a good step taken by NUST...everyone is entitled to his own opinion so i have my own....Everyone here is creating hype of a small issue that they just asked for wearing decent clothes what's wrong with that? Do we all know the 11 students which they are referring what they were wearing and why indecent word came along with their names? Its very easy for everyone to just sit and comment.....And what about Taliban debate? These are simple and straight forward rules which Islam teaches us and Quran is teaching us in this way then i think there is no word to discuss more on it... Wearing dupatta or not is a choice yes but being a Muslim there are few responsibilities and moral values that we all should follow rather we are male or female...Sorry to see most of the comments but all of you are taking in a wrong way and a more precise word for you enlightened Modernization...Allah hum sub ko hadayth De Ameen

Aisha
Sep 26, 2013 12:18am

Actually things have been immensely exaggerated here ...i suppose just to add more masala...the truth is this has been the rule of the institution since its inception....and comeon male and female are not allowed to sit together.....>>>> some teacher even force you to make mixed groups and every NBS student would agree that its is quiet chill mahool out there...as for the dress code the premise behind it is well thought of as most of the corporate sector requires you to wear formal dress (suits and all) and frankly speaking because of this rule students from various backgrounds eventually learn to dress up decently till their graduation time...that is why we can clearly differentiate between a NUST graduate and a Bahria, Iqra , FAST or whatsoever institute just by having a look at them..and please whoever so is the writer of this post needs to really focus on something more productive....

AKZIS
Sep 26, 2013 12:20am

@khaled: Can you let your sister come without Dupatta and wearing tights to an institution full of male students?

AKZIS
Sep 26, 2013 12:23am

@Ikram Junaidi (Author)

Please find some informative news instead of taking people towards evil. Trust me you will be paying for all the mess below, on the day of judgement.

Omar
Sep 26, 2013 12:23am

Well everyone does know about the strictness not only by the administration being from armed forces but also the people working under them think they are foji

but none of us can deny the fact that being liberal has nothing to do with letting girls (who we respect and ask others to respect) wearing tights that are not the part of decent dressing as prescribed by the rules and regulations of the institution which is provided before joining the place.

having that said, I should make it clear that as this is going on there are so many situations that girls are given respect and favor for example paying fee and bills etc boys have to make a queue which is not seen much in our country but girls are asked to come ahead and pay their dues in a separate short queue keeping them safe from any kind of harassment.

Criticism of opinions and facts is a healthy activity but keeping the both ends of the scroll at balance. I can say these things because I have been a part of that Institution.and there are things that need to be changed but this is not the one.

Please look into it closely, if you dont just want to fill the pages but make a report. ask students about their problems about hostels hygiene food health and basic needs being fulfilled or not. as i mentioned before the armed forces admin is not that wrong but the admin that is civil and thinks they are army men and can do anything like the security staff and others.

This can end in confusing people rather than helping someone moreover things like these create divide among people. Thank you

Nighat
Sep 26, 2013 12:25am

@fahad: What do you mean "incite". Are you afraid Muslim men may not be able to control themselves. Maybe more exposure to women in all sorts of clothing might help men to learn control and not obsess about women and their clothes.

AKZIS
Sep 26, 2013 12:26am

@AA: Dear AA, if you call this dark ages, then Rasulullah S.A.W advised us to stay in this age, as ALLAH subhanahu wa taala infact ordered the women of Islam to take a chaadar on their face and body.

Our muslim sisters will happily choose this dark ages of Nabi e Kareem S.A.W. Please let them live in dark ages in this world and inshaALLAH they will live in the light ages in the life hereafter.

@Nustian
Sep 26, 2013 12:40am

I don't know the actual details of the matter, but the fact remains that it is wise to set examples so that things do not go out of hand.

NUSTIAN
Sep 26, 2013 12:46am

This news reporting is shameful and I am sorry to say that DAWN which prides itself on being founded by M,A Jinnah is now promoting ideas and culture which is against what Jinnah advocated for Pakistan. NUST is a good institute and produces quality professionals and if it is imposing fine on those who are not dressing decently then I think it is part of the professional grooming which a good institute should do. And to those who are saying that institutes should remain secular and liberal then please open a bloody book and read what secularism is. It has nothing to do with dressing codes. Also these codes are mentioned in NUST rule book given to the student on joining the institute and mentioned in NUST prospectus. If anyone has a problem with that then please don't bother to join NUST I am sure NUST can do well without you too. I am a graduate from NUST and am proud of it. I do believe there are areas of improvement there but dress code is not one of them.

Usama
Sep 26, 2013 12:49am

NUST is doing right thing....

Amina Mazhar
Sep 26, 2013 12:57am

I am a student of NUST, more specifically NUST business school and might i just add here that half the stuff in this article is totally wrong. There is no restriction among boys and girls sitting together or conversing and as far as the dressing issue is concerned, it is for our own good and jeans are only Prohibited in the business school as it is an informal dress. This article is the best example of irresponsible journalism. i happen to be a student of mass communication and this article is a violation of about every journalism ethic i know. Mr. Ikram Junaidi, kindly look at both sides of the situation and then write!. Regards.

Lolz
Sep 26, 2013 12:55am

NUST provides the best environment for learning and socializing, there are no unnecessary rules imposed. Media should appreciate the actions of university administration to prevent any immoral stunts on campus, rather than criticizing them. I sincerely hope that whoever wrote this article reads the Rector's speech, he has explained everything perfectly and any decent individual would concur.

Omer
Sep 26, 2013 01:08am

@chaudhry: Right on spot! I wonder why our pseudo-liberals don't make such a noise when students, or even lay female are not allowed by law to wear hijab in the West. That seems liberalism to them, but if NUST disallows jeans, it infringes on human rights of the students. How pathetic! If you don't like these rules, please don't join this institute.

Ashar
Sep 26, 2013 01:11am

@Abdul Rauf: Yes it is...it shows where our so called society is headed that a university has to focus on students clothes rather than whats inside their head!

Ashar
Sep 26, 2013 01:21am

@student: what crap!

Ashar
Sep 26, 2013 01:24am

@Huma: Loved your response....couldnt have said it better myself.

Azmat Khan
Sep 26, 2013 01:34am

Please let NUST remain a university of science and technology.Do not convert it into an Islmic seminary.

Faisal
Sep 26, 2013 02:02am

I graduated from NUST Business school 7 years ago. Even at that time, they had the same policies regarding the dress code. The students were very clearly told about the code of conduct, which very rightly all the candidates were meant to follow, and those who did not were fined in the same manner. If a person is not up with the policies, then he/she has the free will to go anywhere else for further education. NUST has maintained its standard and discipline, the reason why it is the top ranked uni in Pakistan. Media is just good at propagating things which are not even there...boys and girls were asked to form groups for uni projects and assignments, so it is not as what the article says...so do not stereotype about NUST based on this information in the article.

Bilal
Sep 26, 2013 02:09am

@khaled:

And why does this "free thinking" ONLY leans towards stuff that is against our culture, our faith and our values? Before someone tries to become a "free thinking scholar", I think she/he needs to learn to respect values of the social setup he/she lives in. Allama Iqbal or great Muslim Scientist of Islamic history did not need to wear a tight pants and only then were able to make their brains think. And it comes to bite you back when the "Free thinking" makes one wear a beard or lift his shalwaar above his ankles, you start calling him Taliban or Mullah and make fun of such folks but when a women sheds off clothes - you call it "free thinking"?

However, I may agree with you one another point though. Our Islam finishes and starts with women. We talk about women should follow a modest dress code but we do NOT encourage men to "lower their gaze". We simply beat the crap out of one side only. There needs to be a balance struck between men and women when it comes following Islamic recommendations. If women need to dress with modesty then men MUST ALSO lower their gaze.

Saeed
Sep 26, 2013 02:35am

I am sure who ever made these laws ,most of there sons and daughters studying or living in wester countries. And they have no problem with those countries dresses and way of life . But they want to send Pakistani to dark ages. I say educated Pakistani is the biggest enemy of Pakistan.

adeel
Sep 26, 2013 02:40am

i have worked in nust and was really disappointed by the scenes i saw there. dupattas are not there even on girls' necks. Is this modernization? In nust business school, they celebrate last day in uni by throwing water on each other(girls and boys mixed) and thats in summer. NUST has taken right decision by fining students on these points. This is not talibanization. It is a step to rehabilitate our culture.

Shieen
Sep 26, 2013 02:49am

@Ahmed: The issue specifically pertains to NUST Business School, which has set out a formal dress code for its students, both male and female. Failing to adhere to that code means you get fined, which is reasonable in my opinion. All these rules are covered during the orientation sessions at the induction of each batch, and each student gets a copy of the rule book as well. The NUST Admin are not monsters, and they usually let the first few times slide by. Only when you break rules consistently, do they fine you. The world does not stop with denim and tights, please. It is requested that everybody grow up and find something useful to do. P.S: I'm a currently enrolled at NUST. Please stop calling it talibanized. You know nothing about talibanized.

Pakistani
Sep 26, 2013 03:11am

@Mudaser Sekhery: Very well said..

Fahad
Sep 26, 2013 03:40am

Beard is in the Islam but Islam is not in the beard.Clothes represent your socialism.Don't compare religion with the socialism.

HASSAN
Sep 26, 2013 03:45am

Come on NUST is an institute, to mentain discipline policies have to be made.....and this has nothing to do with ARMY ...we just blame army for everything...Sholud smoking and eatables be allowed in library or laboraties? Infact only purpose was to add name of PAKISTAN ARMY....

Ahmad Junaid Anwar Samdani
Sep 26, 2013 05:27am

I have to say it with grief that the 'Wrong' doesn't look Wrong to us anymore. No one speaks out and if someone dares to do that, he is named as Taliban. I really appreciate Nust for forcing our culture and values. Ironically, it was duty of parents but if they don't play their part then someone from society should speak out.

Taha Lateef
Sep 26, 2013 05:47am

What I understand from the comments is that the students, mainly the male students, were fined for violating dress code. Being a business graduate myself, and working in an MNC in Pakistan and abroad more than 10 years, I think this was a right decision and I support the management for it.

The heading of the article in this context is wrong and dubious and creates sensationalism and should be avoided. It implies that NUST fined only girls for wearing jeans and tights leading to debate from dress code to morals to religion and what not without the focus on the actual thing that happened, the fining on the dress code - which I think was correct - and the incorrect reporting - which was below journalistic standards and on purpose seemed to imply something which did not happen.

Taha Lateef
Sep 26, 2013 05:49am

This article is a classical example that fits the following quote from Mark Twain.

"If you don

Aatif
Sep 26, 2013 05:49am

2 Boys were fined for wearing jeans and 1 Girl for wearing tights...People stop spreading false news around....

Aatif
Sep 26, 2013 05:52am

2 Boys were fined for wearing Jeans and 1 Girl for wearing tights...

Hef
Sep 26, 2013 06:01am

Why is this even in the news ..... looks like dawn correspondents are running short of stories ....if some students dont like to follow the institute rules then simply quit and go to a placw which accommodate your wishes and preferences ......rules are rules simple!

BNS
Sep 26, 2013 06:03am

Its not a montessory school neither is this a madersa. Its a university. Adults study here and they dont need someone else to tell them what is good or bad, they can decide it for themselves. University administration has no place to dictate to students what is appropriate to wear and what is not unless it is really bad. I think all students should lodge very strong protest, through allowable means, and must not accept this. It is jeans and tights today, if we do not protest, trust me it will be hijab and burqa for girls and oonchi shalwar qameez and topi for boys tomorrow.

Salman Wazir
Sep 26, 2013 06:44am

@Huma: if somebody has problems with rules set by nust, there is a very simple and easy answer given by nust admin, here is ur migration certificate u can leave if u can't abide by the rules. plus what is the big deal in getting restricted for 4 or 5 years ... do as u wish to, wear as u love to and so on once you get successfully passed out of the university.

Or do as Hitler said," If you don't like a rule, follow it, reach to the top and change it".

And being Muslim on death a lady is wrapped into 3 separate pieces of cloth called as kafan covering all her body from head to toe, if one is presented back to God that way and it is HIS will that a human may live that way with modesty then why not during our lives.

I am not a very dedicated follower of religion till yet but just random thoughts. May God Almighty bless us all with understanding of religion and will power to practice it. amen !!

Nasiroski
Sep 26, 2013 06:54am

@chaudhry: Kindly explain what is Islamic about it?? Shalwar Kameez or Dupatta?? Is Laacha and Kurta islamic for you?? Is Dhoti Hindu or muslim?? Is Base ball cap islamic, what about Mao cap, Mao was non believer but chinese are our friend what about muslims in China they don't carry Dupatta or wear Shalwar kameez how indecent?? ..... Hope you get the point I can go on for hours

maztek
Sep 26, 2013 08:13am

@mystic: They are running the university for uniformed students of Defence Forces. Induction of civilian students was done at a later stage....to create an awareness that HOW BEST ARMY can educate also and also to help civil youth to acquire best standard of education......As NUST is famous for this..one of the best university

Hyder
Sep 26, 2013 08:17am

I am a student of this university. Yes, decent dress code is compulsory due to not only the religion but also the culture and society. However; Business School specifically states that jeans (for boys and girls) and tights (for girls) are not allowed. 'Dupatta' is also compulsory. It is stated in their code of conduct which the students sign before joining. Their reason for doing is; it is a Business School, jeans is not a formal, corporate world appropriate dress. I am a student of an engineering school, within the same campus as the Business School. I wear tights, jeans and at times do not take a 'dupatta' and I'm not fined. I have to wear decent clothes, covering all essential body parts as it a requirement of our society, not only inside the campus but also outside, in the city.

Waqas
Sep 26, 2013 08:20am

Shame on you writer, I am a NUSTian an i am proud of NUST and its policies

NUSTian girl
Sep 26, 2013 08:21am

Making issue of a rule already defined in nust prospectus and signed by parents and students?? I seriously cant get it. NUST is not showing rigid mindset but professionalism. people calling it so must go to the industry atleast once to open their minds. WEARING FORMAL DRESS IS ONE OF INDUSTRIAL DEMANDS! Which obviously doesnt include jeans

And for The people talking against it who are not even intelligent enough to be selected on MARIT BASE reminds me of story 'GRAPES ARE SOUR' Proud to be a NUSTian

moderate
Sep 26, 2013 08:41am

whats the big deal. the institution has its rules, if someone dont like them he/she should leave, go to someother institution and wear (______) whatsoever you want

rana1
Sep 26, 2013 08:45am

so would NUST allow pakistani women to wear the chust pyjama and tight kameez?

noor
Sep 26, 2013 09:24am

@Syeda Jafri: Do u Honestly believe this article? I did my MBA from nust,then ms leading to PhD..we hang out with male classfellows on campus n at cafes.sit anywhr have gap shap, or long walks,doesn't matter if we r alone or a group.I can't beliv this article is published in dawn.twisted facts.n til last yr no girl was banned for not wearing dopatta,they may hve included dopatta in dress code this yr.n both girls n guys get fined for wearing jeans.coz its a Business school n we have to dress formally on campus.

Ex-Nustian
Sep 26, 2013 09:20am

It is really annoying to see how the media has given a new perspective to the whining of the fresh batch. It is but obvious that students who have come from a much liberal school/college will find these rules a.k.a the Taliban-like restrictions as suffocating and unbearable. However, people need to know that the rule against wearing jeans and dupattas has been what you may call "ever-present". NUST Business School in particular follows a dress code policy in which students are told to dress formally and (Please read BOTH MALES AND FEMALES) are not allowed to wear jeans. A handful of students decided to make a propaganda out of this and the media is blindly giving support to them. I mean PLEASE... There are more important issues to be discussed aren't there? To all the students who are bad-mouthing their institution, please know that the moment you enroll in a place you own it. You no longer are a third party who is not affected by what happens. You're not only soiling the name of your institution but also destroying the worth of your degree!

khan
Sep 26, 2013 09:34am

yea we should only allow burqa clad women and minimum of an ankle visibility for the shalwar wearers

lone
Sep 26, 2013 09:52am

It shold be done in every university, as its against the Islamic Laws. If they cover by themself by Abbays (Burqa) , than they can wear, otherwise for Muslims girls not to allow in any Islamic country.

musa
Sep 26, 2013 10:10am

Thumbs up NUST ADMIN for folloing the rules.

IKE Khan
Sep 26, 2013 10:39am

I may disagree with their decision personally, but Administration has right to set the rules. Every reputable university has rules. Very strict rules. Academic excellence is their number one priority and goal. In Pakistan there are universities that I would not even call university anymore because they are ruled by political activists and academic excellence is not the goal. A university is not a place to socialize or engage in fashion shows or even waste time in any manner. The real test is: if NUST is producing good employable graduates? if yes then student must obey the rules or he/she has a choice, go somewhere else.

Waqas
Sep 26, 2013 10:39am

I feel ashamed that Dawn has a line written on top "FOUNDED BY QAID E AZAM M ALI JINNAH" who fought with british and hindus to get a lab where we can practice islam and people from our media are publishing the same very news in his newspaper they have no right to right his name on top

n its written in Quran e Pak k dont wear such cloths which which defines / shows the shape of ur body and jeans and tights does it

Umair Islam
Sep 26, 2013 10:44am

Hey this is not a big issue....in Nust H-12 there are many schools and every school has its own dress code...the ones have got fine belong to NBS and they have dress code for last 12 years formal dressing ...they do not allon informal dressing and people joinning there get joinning instructions that these are dress code and you have to abide by the dress codes n in writen they give consent and now they are saying this is ridiculous........if Nust admsinistration has made it clear before joining it then y they have joined when they knew this.....I am studying in seecs but here jeans are allowed coz we have informal dress code......the issue is simple but see we pakistani has made it a mess.......please first investigate the reasons.......

ali
Sep 26, 2013 10:47am

its a good sign..if the action is taken without any pressure & threats by Benned parties or groups.

Aly
Sep 26, 2013 10:53am

@chaudhry: If you are so much in love with Islam than why do you not live in the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan". I admire the "Jahiliah" of our nation since when did Islam had a dress? Just because the teachings of Islam flourished in Arab does not mean that is the dress of Islam and if that is the case than no man should be wearing Shirt and Pants or even Shalwar Kameez because that was not people use to wear 1400 years ago?

No wonder we are not progressing... Look at Malaysia, it's a Islamic State but no such petty issues. I wish people were allowed to question their own faith so that could learn their faith.

Mehwish
Sep 26, 2013 10:55am

Many parents send their daughters to NUST because of the strict discipline. May be people on this forum are broad minded but the generation of majority of parents is still conservative in one way or other. It is not about wearing or not wearing a headcover, it is about the standards they have set in their minds to define modesty. Most of the nustians are commenting on this forum. You must know that a lot of students come from far off areas and they are really intelligent and if their parents see a no duppatta tight jeans institute they would never like their girls to study at this place. Even a well off parhi likhi family of Islamabad would not like it. As far as head covering in EME is considered, it is there for years. If students do not like it then they have the choice to move to another constituent college.

Zaidi
Sep 26, 2013 11:08am

it's good step taken by Nust Administration.... I appreciate... (y)

Farrukh Amanullah
Sep 26, 2013 11:04am

@Agha Ata: I cannot understand how insisting to wear a jean or tights improves educational standards.

One should respect rules of an institute, otherwise make your own institute.

Finally moderation is the best policy. Running after western values or clinging to stupid 10 feet wide shalwar qameez would lead to more confusion.

Gaga Billu
Sep 26, 2013 11:22am

I dont like to wear a tie in office and they force me to wear and every body who is opposing this NUST behavior were against me Whats wrong if NUST force some dress code in their premises.

True muslim
Sep 26, 2013 11:56am

@Aly: Dear Aly.. when u comment about Islam you should first take some pain to study whats written about a dress code in Islam.... the dress code is for all muslim living in any part of the world.. if u follow the dress code no matter what u wear... and if thats a petty issue why all mentally PASMANDA and westernised complex people always comment on this issue and never bother to comment on western victimizations on Muslim Community. A humble suggestion for u, just read and understand the religious book Qur

Usman
Sep 26, 2013 11:59am

not to make any hue or cry. focus should be on education rather than following new fashions and flashy mobiles. remove the root cause of evil by issuing a policy of wearing uniforms. case closed.

USAMA MUNIR
Sep 26, 2013 12:00pm

Those who like to see their sisters and daughters studying in a place where every one is dressed modestly are happy with this new but those who like their daughters or sisters to wear jeans are unhappy. depends on which part you belong to you could be happy or unhappy.

Akram Khan
Sep 26, 2013 12:00pm

Congrats........! I appreciate the step taken by the Top-level authorities.. If such steps are denied in an Islamic country then how could we expect these things in western countries..? No need to chant slogans. I salute the Authorities. Akram Khan (Brazil)

Zeeshan
Sep 26, 2013 12:08pm

I find it stupid beyond comprehension that people are defending this kind of behaviour. A student should be able to wear what he/she likes period! A university is supposed to let students express themselves, be confident and explore new ideas. How is putting a ban on jeans going to help achieve all that?

Tarar
Sep 26, 2013 12:34pm

I went to the West and saw Islam, but no Muslims; I got back to the East and saw Muslims, but not Islam. (Muhammad Abduh, Egyptian Scholar). The issue is not dress, the issue is our nations mind set. We have an inferiority complexed nation who instead of taking pride in their own culture and traditions, feels proud in western style of living. And I guess this is the real issue.

NS Ahmed
Sep 26, 2013 12:57pm

@mystic: This military-run university happens to be on of the top universities of Pakistan. Being a former student, I know for sure that there are a hell lot of things that can be improved(God knows I had my good share of fines and I hated the dress code part particularly), but what exactly is your problem with military doing something that benefits the nation? If you don't like that then nobody is forcing you to go there. Put your money where your mouth is and go to some other university. For that matter, don't avail any kind of service offered by the military at all if you are really sincere to your principles. Agar tumhare pyaaray civilians aik behtar kam kar sakte hein then people will automatically prefer to go there instead of military run institutions.

Umar
Sep 26, 2013 12:59pm

What is wrong with you people, it isn't much of an issue. You know what you people should worry about? the recent tide of inflation and IMF's new conditions soon to be imposed on all of us. There are much bigger issues at hand and here we are spewing bs about one of the finest educational institutes.

When I joined NUST I knew what I was getting into and it ain't that bad, yes admin can be a pain in the neck sometimes but the point remains, it isn't worthy of making the front page of a newspaper which I once deemed credible.

mm
Sep 26, 2013 01:15pm

@MAK: i am a student of NUST and men can wear any kind of a dress here except shorts because girls from conservative background are not used to it.Why are u maligning the best institute of the country with rumours and misconceptions.There is nothing called narrow mindedness in NUST administration.They just have to cater for different people coming from different backgrounds.

ali ahmed
Sep 26, 2013 01:33pm

Grow up NUST management. Promote liberalism and free thinking. Educate people and open their minds. If you start thinking with closed mind, how can you help achieve the objective of progress and prosperity in this country. For God's sake try to understand that they are not naked, they are wearing something.

Aman
Sep 26, 2013 02:21pm

@Hamid: Thanks an important point.

Mani
Sep 26, 2013 02:31pm

@Mirza Asad Baig: i think there should be a proper dress code for male and female students. we are living in a Islamic country then we have to follow the Islamic dress code. it is not the way some one give an arugement what is happeing in diffierent institutions. we have to start first of all from my side.

Irfan
Sep 26, 2013 02:28pm

France fines Muslim women for wearing Hijab, liberals didn't say a word, Nust fines girls for wearing tights, all liberals lose their minds, stop being hypocrites....if u want to get naked go to USA or UK,

Ahmed
Sep 26, 2013 02:31pm

Still nust is among the best engineering universities. I think disciplined should stay there.

Muhammad Aqib
Sep 26, 2013 02:46pm

@ali ahmed: Who are you? have you ever been to NUST? First pay a visit to NUST H-12 and then you can say whatever. This is an article based on lies. I being a student of NUST from Rawalpindi took my cousin from Air university who was astounded by the freedom he saw there. So please do not sit behind a screen and accept whatever comes out of it learn to seek "TRUTH" it's only a propaganda by people who are jealous of this rising Pakistani university!!!

Amir Jafri
Sep 26, 2013 03:00pm

NUST is governed by those who were bred by Ziaulyuk's . What else do you expect? And, eventually, Mulla Umar and Imran Khan will do this to the rest of us too.

Behroze Pervaiz
Sep 26, 2013 03:25pm

Alhamdulillah . . . Glad to hear that some people are still on tract . . .

First of all, apart from the thinking of talibanization or any thing else we ought to see what quran has said about hijab and it has also given a complete dress code that should be taught by parents. They should have a check upon their children time to time and if they are distracting then their parents should revise their detract activities.

Second, people who think that the management is not liberal then i think allah almighty too is not liberal.

THird, people who think management do not allow students by their these activities to prosper then i think allah almighty also do not allow the students to proper.

I think every one being muslim should see quran and sunnah ... rather illogical, emotional, western, ill-philosophical, etc things.

Saqib Ali
Sep 26, 2013 03:36pm

@AliAhmed,

Since when did liberalism and freethinking equal to jeans and tighets? Thats the most ignorant view ever.

Totally agree with Tarar - the root of the problem is inferiority complex which leads to discarding our own traditions and religion in favour of western lifestyle. Its indeed very sad.

A nation which cannot sustain its own originality will cease to exist.

Imdad Baloch
Sep 26, 2013 04:07pm

Rules are made to follow them. Like it or not as good citizens each and everyone needs to follow them. Indecency is the outome when every individual thinks of oneself and not the society at large. Pakistanies as good citizens (top to bottom) must respect the LAW.

G.A.
Sep 26, 2013 04:31pm

Can't seem to keep out of women's clothing can they? Just a reminder that Muslims haven't produced any inventors of repute since the 13th century.

thomas
Sep 26, 2013 04:44pm

@Tarar: you are right

Amina
Sep 26, 2013 05:17pm

By changing the dress code we cannot change people'minds. By Adopting western culture people think they will be better accepted in the society. But the reality is by moving awsy from the religion we're never ever gonna succeed. That us our problem, despite having the knowledge and hidayat we're leaving the religion Islam behind and following those cultures who have bevome successful by following what we are ecpected to follow. .. shame on us!!!

XYZ
Sep 26, 2013 05:55pm

@Zeeshan: How is it going to stop then? I really feel pity on u when u think wearing jeans is gonna make u express u better ... wht do u wanna express anyway? Ur body stats? or ur ideas? If u think wearing Jeans gets u a boost of confidence then man u need to hv some pill of sensibility and logic .... God Help u and all!

junaid
Sep 26, 2013 06:08pm

@NS Ahmed: I don't understand why an institution be run by military at all? and I actually laughed when you used the term "offered by military"! seriously they are run by the tax money of the ALL the people of the country!!

Whatiswrongwiththiscountry
Sep 26, 2013 06:09pm

"However, he added, students were not allowed to wear indecent dresses.

Faizan
Sep 26, 2013 06:16pm

@Usman: All over the world there are no uniforms in universities. For God sake people change your mindset NUST H 12 is not a military college

can not reveal identity
Sep 26, 2013 06:40pm

First of all NUST h 12 is not a military college. Unfortunately its administration constitutes of mainly army officers (whether retired or serving) and majority of teachers are retired army officers.The problem with army officers are that there minds are programmed in (while they were in army) in a certain way. Now they can not break out of that program. They want Nust h-12 to be run like a military college. So they are trying to impose the same rules here( which are followed in military college) which are unbearable for civilian students.Their administration and teachers( excluding a small percentage of civilian teachers) have authoritarian style (people from nust buissness bitterely complain about this) but Nust adminstration wont admit.The simple solution to this is that administration of this university should be handed over to liberal civilians who unlike the current army administration do not try to impose there ideology on students. NUST rector has called in students to denounce what DAWN has written (I agree with what dawn has published).Cafes (where lunch and dineer is served) are mile apart I mean it literelly ( h 12 is almost as big as 2 normal sized sectors of islamabad) one gets really tired walking all the way to them in hot weather.I am a student of NUST H 12 but i even can not reveal my identity fearing that i will get grilled my the administration for this tomorrow

Asad Iqbal
Sep 26, 2013 07:03pm

I totally support the decision of NUST over the dress code. These kind of steps should be taken in whole of the country, in every university and college. I don't know why media does not condemn things like ""HIJAB banned in France for the Muslim women"". Cause unfortunately majority of the people of the media are conservative to such an extent that they do not think with an open mind. They have limited their thinking in the boundary set by the so-called open minded westerns.

Akram
Sep 26, 2013 07:06pm

In the worlds best universities and institutions focus is learning and sharing knowledge to all, in Pakistan the focus is on what people are wearing. Then we ask why we are behind? Do these people think that if a girl wears Jeans she is not interested in learning?

Drag yourselves into the 21st Century.

Tansar
Sep 26, 2013 07:13pm

@ali ahmed: Of course you will say that. You are a male, and a desperate Pakistani!!!! Think if your sister goes to university like that!

Tansar
Sep 26, 2013 07:16pm

@Umar: Omar Sahib, there are people who (supposed to be) worry about inflation. We are talking about students and teachers and institutes. Their duty is to worry about the quality of education, quality of life in campus and do not cross the limits of decency! The revealing cloths and behaviors tend to rapes and assaults. I think if NUST is fining girls like this, is a good step in keeping the campus for the purpose its built for!

Tansar
Sep 26, 2013 07:16pm

@Farrukh Amanullah: Do you have a daughter or sister going to college or university? Just asking!

Tansar
Sep 26, 2013 07:20pm

@Mehwish: Nicely put!

CC
Sep 26, 2013 07:22pm

@Amina: Educational institutions have a right to demand that their students attend in uniform or to be modestly dressed. Institutions can be held responsible be sued for sexual harassment, rape or molestation of female students within the premises or by people entering it. Institutions have also their reputation to protect and demand that their students behave in a proper manner when out of the premises. If students cannot abide by the rules, they should withdraw.

Tansar
Sep 26, 2013 07:23pm

@mrs asim: because they are not going to party. They are going for education!

abc
Sep 26, 2013 07:40pm

exactly this is the reason we are not progressing and we are never gonna progress unless we stop focusing on appearances and start focusing on knowledge... bloody hypocrites with shameful thinking

Afzal Bhatti
Sep 26, 2013 07:59pm

Actually this problem is due to nonuniform environment of our educational institutes everybody is trying to participate in the Fashion game and showing their wealth by wearing modern dresses. Universities must have their dress codes/uniforms like schools. In this way we can control dress vulgarity and nobody will exposed its status.

Ahmed bilal
Sep 26, 2013 08:22pm

Decency demands men to lower their gaze when women are passing by. NUST should employ a force to keep a check on men, and if they violate fine should be imposed on actions such as looking at girls for more than 1 minute, talking to girls, helping girls in assignments etc.

illawarrior
Sep 26, 2013 08:38pm

@mm: If men started wearing shorts, every one would soon get used to it!

illawarrior
Sep 26, 2013 08:37pm

@Hyder: Different people have different ideas of what is "decent". Most people think jeans are OK

illawarrior
Sep 26, 2013 08:46pm

@Ali: Stop fussing about clothing and let people study

illawarrior
Sep 26, 2013 08:47pm

@Bisma Shahzad: The issue becomes .... that different people have different ideas of "decency"

illawarrior
Sep 26, 2013 08:44pm

@Nadeem (US): Which US schools forbid jeans?

illawarrior
Sep 26, 2013 08:58pm

@Student: Yes, values are VERY important ... much more important than fashion!

rehan
Sep 26, 2013 08:55pm

@akram: Problem is that NUST is co education and boys are definitely distracted by Girls wearing jeans which can lead to serious troubles as you can see many abuse cases that were highlighted by media in the past two weeks. When ever we stary away from ISLAMIC principles we have to pay the price and sometimes this price is observable and clear to the sinner and sometimes it is not.

illawarrior
Sep 26, 2013 08:57pm

@Faraz: You frown on women wearing jeans, yet your "decent country" allows young males with oil bottles to ply their "trade".

shahan shauq
Sep 26, 2013 08:57pm

Nust is advertised as a Co-ed University, while the cafeterias are segregated after 5pm. That is like telling everyone that we has stupids have such moral issues that we don't deserve to have mix sittings and interactions after 5pm. I have been to Lums before I had gotten into NUST and what I see here is very disturbing it is like admitting that we as students are not worthy and this not just the cafe we are not allowed to talkor have mixed gathering with the opposite gender after 5pm which is clearly mentioned on the notice board at our Nust hostels which have three students in one room. the rectors had his address today he clearly stated '' mera muuh na khulvain app sub kh mene kuyn segregate kia hai '' and I would like to raise the point that we are robbed of our basic rights and freedom over the internet. from 12 am to 5 am. internet is a right according to the UN charter. just saying

illawarrior
Sep 26, 2013 09:05pm

@Imran: Really? How many American students go to Saudi to study? How many Saudi students go to US to study?

@nustian
Sep 26, 2013 09:14pm

@@Nustian: all those un-liking, should also specify why .....

Nomaan
Sep 26, 2013 09:21pm

@ali ahmed: oh!!!!! so now we are to a verge of saying '' they are at least wearing something and are not naked''. This is the heighnt of ignorance. Why do people like you are ashamed of accepting who you are. Is being a muslim a shame to you. Is wearing our own national dress a shame to you? is it that looking like a westerner more important to you than being a Pakistani. Grow up Mr. Ali Ahmed. If we are not proud of our heritage we certainly will not be respected in the world as world only respects those who are proud of themselves and not in a inferiority complex. This so called liberalism is another word for vulgarity which our media and some ignorant people like you are trying to promote in the name of 'Personal Freedom'.

Nomaan
Sep 26, 2013 09:23pm

@Zeeshan: By wearing Jeans and Tights and showing off how sexy you look '' what idea you are exploring here Mr.Zeeshan'' There are place in western world where you can explore those ideas. Stop this ignorance education institute is not a place for self show off. People should be allowed to wear what they like but in limits. Limits which are set by the culture they live in and by the religion they follow. Unless you live in a shameless culture with no religion that is. Be proud of what you are and come out of this inferiority complex. Try to bring some originality to yourself and to the community around you rather than following other thinking that worlds going to accept you. If that is so that you are living in a fools world.

Faheem
Sep 26, 2013 09:25pm

@Akram: I think this is part of our education to learn how to dress how to eat how to respect values and culture and religion. Its not just that you need to go through course work. So lets be modest and remain in our norms

Faheem Khan
Sep 26, 2013 09:59pm

Every institution has its own dress code .We should do not demoralized our children studying there.Tomorrow the studets of primary and secondary scholls will also seek permission for jeansinstead of school uniform . I appriciate the moderate thinking/COMMENTS of Farid Piracha. I am affraid that next time your news paper will go to Islamic Universty and will disturb not only we parants but also the students and teachers there.i think there is some nagative motive behind this and some ones have tried to disturb the reputation of this very disciplined and esteemed universty.We should stricly follow the rules of institutions in letter and spirit.

khan
Sep 26, 2013 10:09pm

whether we like it or not we should enforce our culture in our insitutes. it is what is called nationalism..

F.R
Sep 26, 2013 10:39pm

I doubt if the girls with jeans have real intention for learning.

Just Someone
Sep 26, 2013 10:39pm

@Ahmad Junaid Anwar Samdani: Very true. Please the number of dislikes that you get.

Taha Lateef
Sep 26, 2013 10:41pm

@Mehwish: Totally support you.

Taha Lateef
Sep 26, 2013 10:48pm

@mrs asim: What is more important, education and the associated discipline or fashion. For our girls to be educated, qualified, and competent professionals or for them to wear what is in fashion.

Guess you have already answered the question, as to what is more important in your eyes.

RK
Sep 26, 2013 11:02pm

@Asad Iqbal: Asad bhai: Why do then men wear watches? Goggles? Glasses? Shoes? use Cell phones? Should they be also banned as per your logic? if not everything, most of the things you use and even the internet that u used to comment is western. So why not completly stop using all the western amenities and use what is typically muslim. Stop being a hypocrat

RK
Sep 26, 2013 10:58pm

So by this logic is it OK if MEN/Boys wore jeans and Shirt?

waheed Asmat
Sep 26, 2013 11:35pm

However took this decision ,I will only say he has fear of Allah.Really a good step.We are going to vulgarity.

Muhamamd
Sep 26, 2013 11:43pm

zabrdast we appreciate this brave step of nust every university admin must take this steo

zia haq
Sep 26, 2013 11:46pm

Pakistan was made in the name of Islam so we should follow the rules accoding to Islam i appericiate the move from Nust and i hope every university in Pakistan should take this step

ram
Sep 27, 2013 12:17am

can you wear tight jeans and wear black vale on top of it when you go to university

Also can boys wear jeans

Ikram ullah
Sep 27, 2013 12:29am

@Faizan :thats true,it's not a military collage, but it's a Islamic republic of Pakistan, never forget ur culture

Uzma Iqbal
Sep 27, 2013 01:01am

@Akram: we're behind coz we have our own origin n identity but we're trying to be sumthin else n in result becuming duplicates aur na idhar ke na udar ke. Islam has ruled the world of science n knowledge for 6 centuries !! n those were the times when we muslims were embracing our own traditions n identity n not trying to follow the people of other moral values. The seed of science was sowed by the muslims never forget that.

Parvez
Sep 27, 2013 12:58am

So when in England and France they decided to ban the full face veil ( niqab ) ...........why did a lot of people here create a fuss ?

Faisal
Sep 27, 2013 01:45am

Come on!! people...there are bigger things to worry about!!,,leave NUST alone, it is doing the best in academics in Pakistan,,,just cuz of their policies, administration, academia etc etc! (get your facts right)

We should be worried about devaluation of our currency (5 months rupee shed 13 rupees)...conditions set up by IMF...our kids future...terrorism....extraordinary inflation....our beloved country's future...and so on and on and on....nothing seems right... Please...time to wake up!

Ali K
Sep 27, 2013 02:22am

@mystic: This is what they are doing in this case too. They are the ones who established credible educational institutes in Pakistan and saved the masses from sub-standard and stagnant eduction systems...

Ubaidullah Khan
Sep 27, 2013 02:25am

The responsibility of the educational institutes is not only to educate, but also to train the students. It's commendable if universities impose ban on indecent dress which neither our cultural nor religious values allow. Blindly copying western and Indian trends will nothing but destroy the very fabric of our society, the foundations of which are laid on the values of sharam and haya, which are under attack these days. Also, please do show both sides of the picture. Social Media also commends, not only criticizes the ban on dress. Eg. the link attached. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151873291475339&set=a.320378445338.193025.316563705338&type=1&theater

Adeel
Sep 27, 2013 02:45am

Great job administrator. Keep up the good work. All the university should follow. Enough is Enough.

Uthmaan
Sep 27, 2013 02:53am

mani
Sep 27, 2013 03:08am

The law of military is to never ask questions, only follow orders. Regardless of orders being illogical, unreasonable, dangerous etc. The purpose of education is to provoke thought, provide an environment of critical thinking and analysis. These are two contradictory systems and cannot co-exist.
The military's primary interest lies in making money. Whether taking civilian's money (via budget) and investing in their projects or exchanging Pakistani blood for American dollars. They created Taliban and other terrorist organisations so they can fight wars and keep getting paid. They are evil and after much of Pakistan's existence under martial law, we are paying the price.

Amir Bangash
Sep 27, 2013 03:59am

Wake up NUST Administration and don,t take PANGA with this unique class of Pakistani society who want to show some thing to the general public and let them do it. Their parents are happy with it and they themselves do n,t believe in any restriction. The things only go wrong when there is some bad experience.

GH Murtaza
Sep 27, 2013 04:02am

@Kha g:

you so na

Aly
Sep 27, 2013 04:11am

@True muslim: I have read Quran couple of time not only with translation but with detailed explanation as well. The problem with us Muslim is that we do not question what we taught and what we told and we don't even bother to study the context of every verse.

The problem with us today is that we are not ready to accept the diverse interpretations of Islam. Mind it there is no one RIGHT interpretation of Islam your interpretation could be different to mine and we must accept this and respect it.

Aly
Sep 27, 2013 04:26am

I don't understand why do we hate west so much? What have they done to us? If we cannot unite and rise above why do we blame west for that and not take responsibility?

All the Muslim scholars and scientists, physicist like Ibn-e-Sine they all got famous because of west. It was west who published their books, it is west who still study them. There are 2 side of the coins we should be mature enough to identify what is bad for us and not adopt it why blame others for that.

We keep blaming west for every single thing and yet we use zillion of commodities in our daily lives given to us by west.

Please grow up and start taking responsibilities for your own actions and learn to accept and respect differences. Different is different, different is not wrong.

Osman Anwar
Sep 27, 2013 04:51am

I think the dress code was a blessing. It saved instances of indecision :) NUST (EME) was a beautiful institute of higher learning. Complying with regulation inculcates discipline which we seem to lack collectively as a nation. Freedom of expression is a beautiful concept - but nudity too is a means of expression, right? NUST teaches, prepares, provides and deploys. So yes, unfortunately I would have to disregard this piece of journalism as insipid and quite frankly, misleading.

John
Sep 27, 2013 04:55am

Jihadis in education. Who punishes the boys for wearing shorts on campus?

Osman Anwar
Sep 27, 2013 04:59am

Really! Bad journalism!

Ali Khan
Sep 27, 2013 05:06am

@Faizan : So one can come to university without any dress then if there is no dress code?

Khuram
Sep 27, 2013 06:25am

Well, I know majority of people here may dislike my comment but personally, I don't see any negativity in this action by the administration of NUST. Just for a moment, forget everything and see what Holy Quran says in this regard. All discussion will be simply over. Allah almighty has precisely defined a clear dress code for us, i.e. men and women about 1,400 years ago. I am in London since 2007 and I could see everyday 1000 of Muslim sisters wearing proper dress Alhamdolillah and everyone including British people respect them. Whats wrong with our those Pakistani sisters who are fond of tight jeans and western culture? Have you any sort of complex in your mind? Be good students and just follow the University's regulation. In my opinion, we, both men and women should wear proper dresses because we are Muslims Alhamdolillah and our Allah almighty orders us to do so. End of story.....If anyone wants to go against Allah's orders, go on your own.

Umer
Sep 27, 2013 06:43am

@Amina: Well said sister. Very well said.

Umer
Sep 27, 2013 06:47am

Instead of being in news for its excellence, today a prestigious university like NUST is in news because of those who have breached the university's regulations and are certainly responsible for bringing this shame to such a respectable institution. Simply follow the rules or just go away if you cannot.

sumaira
Sep 27, 2013 07:06am

what's wrong if a girl is wearing decent clothes, she is more comfortable with duppata and look more respectable. We the so called Muslims, really we forget how should we come out from house, what should be the dress code and on the other side we always complain for harassment. my request to this young generation is if you want to raise voice talk about education, health issues and social development. your time is precious and we the Pakistanis are going through tough time lets share the problems but don't highlight such petty issue in the media. Respect your Institution and be thankful for the knowledge you are gaining.

AC
Sep 27, 2013 07:54am

@Tansar: Great vision. Jeans must be allowed only Parties!!!!

AC
Sep 27, 2013 07:55am

@Asad Iqbal: Yes mate, they should wear Hijab and come learn

AC
Sep 27, 2013 07:55am

@Imdad Baloch: If at there is a law to follow, unless it is confined to only dress code.

Pak Patriot
Sep 27, 2013 08:16am

Since when does a Institute of higher learning " IMPOSE " a dress code on adults ? These people are adults, why a seperate cafe for male / female ? How will these people interact with the opposite sex, when working in an office environment ? This is so stupid and ignorant. What are we trying to produce here ? A generation of educated misfits in society ??? Will these graduates be able to interact with the opposite sex at International conferences, while representing Pakistan ? Certainly not.

ali ahmed
Sep 27, 2013 09:09am

@Saqib Ali: Problem lies neither with the interpretation of free thinking and liberalism nor with jeans or any other types of wears. Problem lies in the retrogressive mindset of the leadership of NUST. The guy who started all this fuss is from typical conservative background. I don't know who that guy is, but one thing is for sure, go and see his family, his sisters and daughters. You will be surprised to see the level of hypocrisy.

Hussain Khattak
Sep 27, 2013 09:36am

@Tansar: In the worlds best universities and institutions focus is learning and sharing knowledge to all, in Pakistan the focus is on what people are wearing. Then we ask why we are behind? Do these people think that if a girl wears Jeans she is not interested in learning?

Kumaraguru
Sep 27, 2013 09:43am

Dressing Modes are primarily determined by 'Climate and Culture' - in that order. While both the 'Grooming & Etiquette' approaches are defined to reflect the 'Culture & Values' adopted by the Institution, Community or Country, they are inherently dynamic in nature. Hence, they should also be in tune with the changing realities and trends, while being relevant.

As an academician wedded to life-long-learning, I have good grasp of the Socio-Economic-Political, Historical, Cultural and the Ethno-Linguistic-Religious dimensions of the South Asian Region. Being a Hyderabadi with the 'Cyberabad' orientation, doing workshops in the famed Osmania University that has perhaps the largest concentration the Afghan, Central Asian, Iranian, Arab, Turkish students in India - with whom I do interact; hence, I can speak with both credibility and concern.

I have studied the traditional women dresses of Afghanis, the Baloch, Kutchi, Sindhi, Punjabi Pathan, the Frontiers' Peoples and the Gujrati too, amongst others. While being distinct dignified and modest, they are also very lively and vibrant

Rafia Qaswar
Sep 27, 2013 09:55am

I had my doubts that our media is irresponsible and has a big hand in defaming our country everywhere. Alas!!! my doubts were not wrong! Its sad to see how rumours and unverified information spreads like wild fire. I say this because I have been part of this institution and where I stand today is because of following the rules and regulations imposed over there. However during my 5 years at NUST I don't remember being fined for any such thing if at all. As for

Shahid BUTT
Sep 27, 2013 10:02am

The new pro-rector is trying to impose very strict ethical codes which or certainely not meant for university students. This is all because of Fauji minds. Media must look into the matter very carefully. People have not sent their kids to become faujis instead of Engineers. You cannot make students DECENT simply by writing 100 pages of ethical codes and applying them on students.

Ather
Sep 27, 2013 10:09am

NUST prides itself on being a superior University but the University practices some outright discriminatory admission and tuition policies. Any decent University allots tuition scholarships and admissions solely on student's academic performance... Not so in NUST: Civilian students have to pay tuition through the nose and undergo entrance exams. The children of Military (even retired) studying in NUST pay no tuition (A mere hundred rupees tuition is a joke) and are admitted to any faculty of their liking even if they have received a third division in Intermediate without any entrance exam! I have not seen ANY University in the entire world practice such outright discrimination. Why are not the children of Military made to go entrance exams and be alloted disciplines based solely on merit like their civilian brethren ???

A University is a place of learning which imparts high values to its students. It should not be a place of outright discrimination against Civilian students who pay dearly in tution as compared to their children of Military (retired included). In a University scholorships are solely decided upon the students performance and not on whether the student is an off spring of a Military personnel or a civilian, as is the case of NUST.

My take is that since Civilian students pay dearly in tuition as compared to children of Military, they should have the liberty to wear what they like in a democratic tradition.

CHAUDHARY
Sep 27, 2013 10:10am

@ali ahmed:

They wear tights and are more sexy then bieing naked....so PLZ stop promoting your wild dreams pretending to be OPEN MINDED

Rafia Qaswar
Sep 27, 2013 10:28am

I had my doubts that our media is irresponsible and has a big hand in defaming our country everywhere. Alas!!! I was not wrong! Thank you Mr.Ikram Junaidi! Its sad to see how rumours and unverified information spreads like wild fire. I say this because I have been part of this institution and where I stand today is because of following the rules and regulations imposed over there. However during my 5 years at NUST I don't remember being fined for any such thing if at all. As for

mike ghaous
Sep 27, 2013 10:41am

You know something? Inside reports indicate some girl students & parents pressed management to to go for the control......

Iqbal
Sep 27, 2013 10:49am

@Akram: Then take out all the clothes like West and this will automatically make us pioneer in science and technology... Interesting logic :)

khan
Sep 27, 2013 10:58am

@Aly: arey bhai kam kapre pehne se koi taraqi ni krta.aur na he koi modern ban jata hai.media is showing islam and its teaching as bad as they can show.tell me what is problem with descent dress...if some one like to wear tight and short dresses they can wear it out side universities.but if some one dont like such dress can apply for other universities.if some one in todays world speaks against any bad thing we cal them taliban

khan
Sep 27, 2013 10:58am

media iss baat ko uchal raha hai ta k decision wapis le liya jaye.look at headline girls r fined .but in reality both male and female students r fined for not following rules

arslan awan
Sep 27, 2013 11:20am

vry good

aftab anjum
Sep 27, 2013 11:38am

Nothing is amazing. Such things are happening at many other places. One Ex-Principal of a private medical college in Lahore wrote to the parents of girl students about wearing see-through trousers and even wrote warning letter to a female professor on wearing half sleeve shirt.

ali raza
Sep 27, 2013 11:39am

Thats a good step aur agr admin yeh step na b leti tou females ko khud e apnay pardy ka khyl rkhna chaia...coz y unke e favour me h. And relating vulgarity to modernism is just a silly excuse. We shall preserve our own identity by following our islamic traditions not the westerns who are just spreading vulgarity in the name of so called "libralism". We dont want such things. Aur jsko bht shok h phr India jae wahan jese mrzi rho ksi nay nae puchna.

Faz
Sep 27, 2013 11:51am

@Faizan : You idiot, it is defined and said in the NUST policy about the dress code! we are NUSTIANs...we know it. How can an intstitution run and be good if no one follows its rules, regulations, policies...NUST is doing right to impose its rules!. Thank you.

EducatorUSA
Sep 27, 2013 12:06pm

Institutions of higher learning in Pakistan are deteriorating in terms of academic standards; faculty lack research and teaching credentials; students are taking too many short cuts to succeed; too much emphasis on getting a degree by hook or crook. HEC has become a joke! If you are a mediocre educator but a friend of Zardari you could become the chairman of HEC. The entire system of higher education needs a complete overhaul. No politics or politicians should be allowed to play any part at the seats of higher education. Pakistan needs some world-class universities.

abdulghafoor
Sep 27, 2013 12:18pm

Liberal Fascist Will feel bad....

Vishvamitra
Sep 27, 2013 12:25pm

@RK : Intriguing that such diktats limiting freedom are exclusively directed at women. Why cant the decision-makers be more gender neutral?

Haroon Rashid
Sep 27, 2013 12:30pm

If shape of body is prominent then its obviously attractive. Tight Jeans does that perfectly. In west its not attractive because women use a better alternative, mini skirts. Also it has to do with culture. If one goes against Norms of Culture, that person will obviously be attractive.

I am with NUST fine stuff. It would have been a lot shameful if we would have heard some real bad thing from a very reputed Educational institute.

Adil
Sep 27, 2013 12:35pm

Learning is great ,greatest but learning should be under the thoughts of what is called Islam if they are fined they are not fined on learning but they are fined on violation of the college rules which shows you learning, which shows you that's one must learn but under the system of shariah. I saw in a newspaper that Pakistan is far behind from the developed nations because of the education system that is indulged in many activities i.e. far behind learning .My answer to the brother is that the system rightly said that those should be fined who wears improper dresses .This is right .but why is it so ?The explanation of the answer is that the system is for learning and acquiring knowledge but a system should be like under the umbrella, principles, guidelines of Islam which avoids irregular dresses.secondly i would also tell that learning can be acquired through observation but if the observation made that a girl wearing jeans than everyone will follow which is again irrespective of Islam. If we are in the 21st century but we are Muslims we should think, work under the principles of Islam.

Iqbal Hadi Zaidi
Sep 27, 2013 12:41pm

Do they have female teachers 4 female students and male teachers for male students? I want an answer before commenting any further. Iqbal Hadi Zaidi / Kuwait / iqbalhadizaidi.formerdiplomat@hitmail.com / Cell 00965-66229897

Bharat
Sep 27, 2013 12:50pm

Excellent move, this is the way ahead. After all what is the point of going to college ?

To study or to show off

Dr. Asad Sadick
Sep 27, 2013 01:17pm

OMG! Give me a break. Are we not going a bit too far. If educated administrators act like so, what can you expect from the illitrate Mullahs.

Alee
Sep 27, 2013 01:35pm

I don't think this is right anyway. People should be given the right to wear whatever they want to wear. Wearing jeans is no way bad and it should not be restricted. People claiming it is western dress, then pants and shirt for men is also western dress. It should be complete shalwar qameez for all men and women. This country has nothing good to do hence only putting foolish restrtictions on people and especially depriving women of their rights, putting them into more fenced society of depression and frustration.

KHALID
Sep 27, 2013 01:57pm

Well done to the University admin staff. May ALLAH ta'ala help you in your efforts. And give hidayat to the rest of us.

Munazza`
Sep 27, 2013 03:18pm

Quote from Noble Laurette from Yemen, Tawakul Karman. "When asked about her Hijab by Journalists and how it is not proportionate with... her level of intellect and education, she replied:

Atiq
Sep 27, 2013 03:42pm

NUST any jo kia hay bohat acha kia hay....our DAWN news nay sirf un logo ka comments leaky jo yaha pay Europ ka mahool daykna chatay hay ,MEDIA he khrab hay jo aysi chezooo ko support karta hay...ya aik muslim country hay...NUST university hay parnay ki jga hay koi hoolywood nahe...jo mahool wah ta sharm ati teee wha jatay huway

fazalpai
Sep 27, 2013 04:10pm

I am just viewing the priority of topic that attract so many readers to comments.

Abdullah
Sep 27, 2013 04:15pm

Bad journalism.

tahir
Sep 27, 2013 05:00pm

@Akram: It is not about teaching modesty, it is about implementing the Law which has been prescribed by Allah Subhanahu wa Taala in Quran, and has been implemented by the 4 Righteous Caliphs. If wearing jeans and removing clothes is the sign of enlightenment, then those who live in jungle, are more civilized than us. Don't forget it is Islam which has liberated women, and not the western culture which you preach and die for. In West women are more molested and raped then any part of the world, they are treated as commodity, and in Islamic countries they are treated as mothers sisters, daughters, and wives, and not as girlfriends, mistresses, and escorts. I believe you got my point.

Sid
Sep 27, 2013 05:26pm

A personal opinon: I'm not a very practicing Muslim. I live abroad and quite often hangout in bars with Muslim/non-Muslim friends (but of course I keep myself away from alcohol). In general, I absolutely don't care (or get perturbed) when any non-Muslim woman is in proximity; but honestly, when I'm close to any Muslim woman (modestly dressed), my eyes automatically bow down out of respect for her. I think this isn't specific to me; most Muslim men feel the same way. It would be a grave misfortune that Muslim woman in our country would westernize themselves in the name of social freedom, and gradually lose the lofty respect they implicity enjoy among Muslim men.

It has become fashionable in Pakistan to project oneself as open to women sensuality in the name of social liberalism, especially among men. Perhaps it's a sign of slow but sure moral decadence, and it's a pity that you cannot even openly speak against it these days without being labelled as 'Taliban-like'.

I come from a liberal background, but I feel our traditional 'shalwar-kameez-duppata' for woman is the world's best ladies dress! It's not extreme like a burqa, nor is it too sensual as tights/leggings.

Perhaps the more liberal readers here (I think most DAWN readers are the liberal elite) would disagree on the use of word 'sensual' but what I can say, tights/leggings are sensual. Then again, I often get to hear the remark that 'sensuality is in the men's minds who are looking at those woman', and therefore, it's the men who are to be blamed and not the woman in skin-fits! And I often reply with the analogy: "As per this logic, everything bad is not actually bad because it's a preception in someone's mind; therefore, no action whatsoever can be called bad, and the person who calls it bad is actually the bad! Which is certainly senseless!"

Anyways, Pakistani Media is surely promoting liberalism; otherwise, this news is no news at all!

RC
Sep 27, 2013 05:42pm

What is it about?? modesty?

Nah..

Sanity of Man-folks cant stand a woman's figure!

A manliness which is not very sure of itself!

Clive Clements
Sep 27, 2013 05:50pm

I am enjoying reading the comments. In fact I was at it since last night. You Pakistani guys are really open minded,knowledgeable and unbiased unlike some Muslims I had encountered in many Islamic countries. Perhaps being of Indian heritage has made Pakistanis so different from others.

Bong
Sep 27, 2013 05:55pm
  1. Woh mard hi kya jo apne pe kabu na rakh sake

  2. Shaitan dimag mein hai kapdon mein nahin

Fatima
Sep 27, 2013 06:26pm

this is totally unacceptable we need to express our freedom, pakistan will forever be known as a backward country which will never be accepted in the first world. Women need to be able to express themselves this isn't the 5th century. No wonder women are so happy to leave pakistan to come to europe!!! unbelieveable!!!

Agha Asad Raza
Sep 27, 2013 06:30pm

This is so stupid on part of the NUST administration. The entire admin staff needs to be sacked!! Prompt action against them need to quell this sort of Talibization.

Punjabi
Sep 27, 2013 07:01pm

great job NUST admin for enforcing your rules! :)

Rahul
Sep 27, 2013 07:18pm

@Tarar: Which culture ur talking about the one of the Indian Subcontinent or Saudi Arabia ?

Danish
Sep 27, 2013 07:22pm

@Akram: dont you think we should be thinking something . . . like a MUSLIM....!!!!

Baluch
Sep 27, 2013 07:29pm

@Mehwish: your last line reminds me of stickers seen on redneck cars : Love it or leave it!

Danish
Sep 27, 2013 07:26pm

@Behroze Pervaiz: AWESOME comment.......!!! (Y)

Baluch
Sep 27, 2013 07:34pm

@IKE Khan: Mr. Khan, the most creative students graduate from institutions where nobody bothers about what you wear to the University. NUST should focus their energy on creative education - obviously, this needs a new mindset amongst the administrators.

Ihsan Khan
Sep 27, 2013 08:09pm

In verse 30, of surat an-nur, chapter 24, Allah says: "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do." Then immediately, in the very following verse (31) of that, Allah continues to say: "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands.

Nadeem
Sep 27, 2013 08:32pm

WOW 418 comments!!! I been reading dawn for some time and I rarely see folks so passionate about some subject. Its kind of sad that this is what worries us most i.e what people are wearing rather than the important issues we read about such as terrorism, target killing, drone attacks. looks like as a nation we have become jaded and have accepted the sorry state of affairs. Now regarding this particular subject. let me ask everyone how is this different from some elite private school in England or US who mandate their own dress code and no one has any issue with that? on the other hand if this institution is doing this without a clear dress code policy that is made known to potential candidates to this school then that is clearly wrong and they should fix that. but having a dress code policy requiring women to dress modestly is completely ok.

Naren
Sep 27, 2013 08:45pm

Very Funny...All Male bloggers appreciate the move and Female bloggers denounce it!!!

abdullah zaman babar
Sep 27, 2013 08:47pm

IF THERE IS NO DRESS CODE, IN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, MOST PROBABLY, ONE FINE DAY A PROFESSOR IN NIGHT PYJAMAS WILL ARRIVE TO TAKE CLASS. DRESS EXHIBITS ONE'S PERSONALITY, JUST LIKE SOLDIERS GO TO BATTLE IN UNDERWEARS. , HOW SHALL IT SOUND .

Nasr
Sep 27, 2013 09:13pm

In our society a lot of ills have evolved due to immoralality and Obscenity. being tightly dressed and showing your body contours is just like being naked.The practice of getting into leggies, tight jumpers by women sleeveless shirts and dresses have increased by many folds. Protecting modesty and chastity is the call of the religion also, yet another aspect of our life from which we are distancing ourself. I think NUST have take a very bold and brave decsion and it should be prpopagated by other instituions also.

zainab
Sep 27, 2013 09:16pm

very good decision..one must follow the rules of their culture and should obey their religon..very good step and all intitutions should follow them..

A nust student
Sep 27, 2013 11:05pm

@Ali Khan: Some things are against the common sense. No where in the world students are allowed to come naked .Nust business schools tries to copy LUMS and IBA both institutions do not impose such restrictions on students so why should NUST

Bilal
Sep 27, 2013 11:30pm

@author Sir you have pointed about the tweets or texts which disagree with the action but what about countless other posts or opinions which have appreciated such measures.

Fazal
Sep 28, 2013 12:02am

I have been a part of NUST which is a conglomerate of the universities of the Armed Forces. I understand what this is about. This just exemplifies the mindset that is present in Armed Forces which use such tactics to create discipline, loyalty and obedience amongst there ranks. However, such tactics limit the creativity, confidence of students and turn them into things like soldiers.

izharulimankhan
Sep 28, 2013 12:37am

a women modestly dressed is like a pearl in its shell...hazrat fatima(ra)

Khalid
Sep 28, 2013 01:29am

@Khuram: Well, I have been in London since 1985 and have seen the change. Pakistanis are at the bottom of the list when it comes to getting higher education. None of the children born to Pakistani parents have done anything significant (except for working in McDonalds, KFCs and such like). They are also seen as inflexible, fundamentalists, uneducated, backward and ignorants. Anyone who is in any senior position in the UK was educated in Pakistan in the 70s or 80s when Pakistan was a tolerant society. Mullahs have taken over the country rather than educated and intelligent people (most of them have left the country anyway). I can see a time when Pakistanis will only be sweeping the streets of London in their burqas.

Amina
Sep 28, 2013 01:57am

Really irresponsible piece of reporting to attempt to make news out of nothing. Expected better from DAWN.

Rizwan Shoukat
Sep 28, 2013 01:54am

Firstly it's not right to have co-education in our religion. If your religion doesn't allow you then you must understand the hidden point... Secondly, if we have co-education then our youngsters must abide by rules under which feminism can persist