enter image description hereFrom Cairo to Peshawar, Shias are under attack by Sunni militants. The sectarian warfare targeting Shias has left thousands dead. The rest of the world watches silently as Muslims self-destruct in sectarian wars.

Earlier on Sunday, a lynch mob near Cairo (Zawyat Abu Musalam), Egypt, murdered four Shias who had taken refuge in a house. The mob dragged their corpses in the street as hundreds watched from the rooftops. In Iraq, a series of bombs continue to kill and maim Shias. In Pakistan, Sunni militants attacked a mosque killing 15 Shias on June 21. In Bahrain, the Saudi-backed regime continues to harass the Shia majority, which is demanding more political rights.

Across the globe, the Shia-Sunni schism has taken a turn for the worst. The Syrian conflict has pitched the Iran-backed Alawite regime against the Sunni majority, who is being supported by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and other Gulf states. What may have started as an internal conflict in Syria has transformed into a sectarian civil war, which threatens to plunge the billion-plus Muslims in a bloody sectarian warfare.

Sheikh Hassan Shehata, a prominent Shia scholar in Egypt, was attacked and killed in his house along with three others in Zawyat Abu Musalam. The mob numbering hundreds set the Sheikh’s house on fire. Initial medical reports suggest that Sheikh’s neck was cut with a sharp object while severe trauma was inflicted on his and others’ skulls. The grisly videos posted on the Internet show the mob, including several women, watching the brutal attack, but making no attempt to stop it.

The Muslim Brotherhood, the right-wing group that supports Egyptian President, Mohammed Morsi, has been pandering to the Salafists to muster support against the Egyptian National Opposition, who have threatened massive street protests on June 30. The underhand dealings between the Egypt’s ruling party and the Salafists made it possible for the extremists to run a campaign of fear against Shias over the past two weeks that culminated with the murder of the Sheikh and his followers.

If it were not for the brave activist, Hazem Barakat, who tweeted the videos and his willingness to testify against those who orchestrated the lynching, the world would not have known of the brutality of these attacks.

The hitherto unresolved conflict in Iraq continues to add victims as suicide and car bombings by the extremists continue to kill Shias. Earlier on Monday, a series of bomb blasts in and near Baghdad killed 42 people. Since April 2013, more than 2,000 have perished in sectarian violence in Iraq. The blasts were staged strategically in Shia neighbourhoods in Baghdad.

In Pakistan, the militants have literally run over the country where they target Shias and other minorities at will. Even worse, the militants have started to target the judges who have heard cases against the militants. The bomb attack on the High Court judge, Maqbool Baqar, which left him with serious injuries while his driver and eight others in his security details died, is a clear message from the militants that they have no interest in respecting the State or its institutions.

The Taliban spokesperson while speaking to the media revealed that they targeted Justice Baqar for his “anti-Taliban and anti-mujahideen decisions.”

Earlier in the week, armed men dressed as paramilitary police in a remote mountainous area in Pakistan attacked a hotel killing nine foreign tourists. The Pakistani Taliban took responsibility for the attack, which they claimed was in retaliation to a drone strike that killed a Taliban commander, Waliur Rahman.

The attack on the tourists in Gilgit-Baltistan is eerily similar to the attacks on Shias in the past in the same part of Pakistan. In August 2012, armed men wearing uniforms of paramilitary police stopped three buses near Mansehra and killed 20 Shias after removing them from the buses. It was the third such attack in six months.

The scale of violence in Syria, however, has crossed all thresholds. The UN is reporting over 93,000 dead. For months, many saw the Syrian uprising as part of the Arab spring where democratic forces stood up against decades of dictatorship. This is no longer the case in Syria. The Bashar al-Assad regime’s violent crackdown against protesters in March 2011 has turned a political struggle into a civil war where foreign forces have joined in to add to the misery. The Assad regime is receiving support from Iran and Lebanese Hizbullah. The Shia support for the Alawite regime has irked many Sunni Arab states who have funneled billions of dollars to the Syrian rebels.

Like Iraq, Syria has also fallen into a sectarian warfare where plenty of blame could be shared by all warring factions. The real tragedy of Iraq, Syria, Bahrain, and Pakistan is that these conflicts have plunged the Muslim world back into a centuries old sectarian conflict. The movements for political rights have been taken over by the militants belonging to al Qaeda, the Taliban, and hundreds of their local franchisees across the globe.

It is likely that after some agreements, the al Qaeda and the Taliban may stop their violent campaign against western targets. It is, however, very likely that the slaughter of Shias will continue across the globe for decades at the hands of extremists.

Published Jun 26, 2013 08:24pm

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Raja Islam
Jun 26, 2013 08:35pm

As long as people believe that Islam preaches the killing of heretics, this will continue.

Tahir A
Jun 26, 2013 09:07pm

Nothing new, is it from the religion purporting to be a religion of peace?

But surely, were/are not the Shias in Pakistan still hand in hand with their Sunni brethren in earning a similar 'sawab' in a holy jihad against the Ahmadis to this very day?

Let us get together for God's sake and wipe out this religion cult and hypocrisy from our lives.for once and for all.

Kafir
Jun 26, 2013 09:18pm

Islam -- religion of peace? Only if you cherry pick from the book.

Truth
Jun 26, 2013 09:23pm

Propaganda, whole nation is under attack, why Shia take advantage of such incidents, very bad article .

KKRoberts
Jun 26, 2013 09:36pm

Nirvana through killing.One will reap what one will sow.

Anonymous
Jun 26, 2013 09:33pm

"The rest of the world watches silently as Muslims self-destruct in sectarian wars." What are they supposed to do........If they do something, they are labeled as somebody who are trying to occupying the Islamic lands.....

Ali Hussain
Jun 26, 2013 09:54pm

Shias are being persecuted all over the world because we don't hear of any news about Sunnis of Iran and Syria. Stop preaching that only Shias are under attack. Sectarian strife has engulfed shia majority countries as much as Sunni majority ones

Concerned citizen
Jun 26, 2013 10:02pm

The rest of the world watches silently as Muslims self-destruct in sectarian wars. Oh common, what is the so called 'rest of the world'is supposed to do? Take responsibility of your own nation and future rather than blaming others for everything that goes wrong.

sameer
Jun 26, 2013 10:06pm

sad... but inevitable in an environment of zero empathy

Solitar
Jun 26, 2013 10:08pm

May Almighty enlighten Islam's followers' theology of JIHAD!

Tamil selvan
Jun 26, 2013 10:27pm

@Raja Islam: This is happening since the beginning of Islam and one can't expect this to end soon. If this is the situation between Sunnis and Shias, Imagine the plight of. minorities in these countries and in countries such as Egypt and Bangladesh

Muzjee
Jun 26, 2013 10:28pm

I encourage Sunni, Shia and other communities to take the first step of recognizing that different sects exist in Islam and it is ok to highlight those differences of opinion in a positive way. Difference of opinion is not a bad thing. Diversity is good. Once that is done, the next generation will grow up personally knowing and respect people from other denominations and that will promote tolerance. I feel that Muslims (especially Sunni Muslims) are trying to hide these sects promoting an illusion of being "Just be a Muslim".

Shahpur
Jun 26, 2013 10:35pm

An extremely important subject matter, as it goes to the heart of the present and future problems of Pakistan. I hope the Dawn further explore the subject matter, and the roots and causes of this extremely serious problem, specially as it effects Pakistan, today and tomorrow. .

Parvez
Jun 26, 2013 10:47pm

Just finished reading a book on this subject ( history of the Shia - Sunni split ) by Lesley Hazelton and he clearly identifies that this split goes back to the earliest days and continues even today. What is apparent is that the enemies of Islam and they are very much there, have realised how to use this split and the weaknesses that are inherent in the Muslim mind and how easily these weaknesses can be used ..................... the problem lies within an nee to a addressed from within.

secular pundit
Jun 26, 2013 10:50pm

Shias are attacked everywhere except in India where they are very happy despite many day to day problems of making a living. Ho sakay to Zinda Bhaag, Pakistani Shiya

K.Islam
Jun 26, 2013 11:07pm

@Raja Islam: Nobody is concerned about Islam's sprituality,but both sects are badly motivated by dirty politics and showing the non-muslim world what Islam is all about.Average so called Muslims doesn't even understand What exactly Islam means to them.It is the same Islam that rule the world for 1000 yrs.Today the so called Muslims are divided into groups and sects.They fail to do research on scientific basis,just fighting blindly for no reasons.Illetreracy is killing the average so Muslims and to understand Islam Muslims must go to schools and get equipped with science before they open the book of Islam.I don't know as a Muslim when this sectrian killing is going to stop.My only suggestion Let God decide which sect is ok in the Akhira,not we human beings should not decide what is good and what is bad,after all both Shias & Sunnis are Muslims and they beieve in Quran.So why killing?please stop killing,its appeal.

Indian
Jun 26, 2013 11:11pm

Time Muslims all over become atheists and think rationally. All cobwebs from their would disappear instantly, and with it, the sectarian violence.

Syed Naqvi
Jun 26, 2013 11:12pm

The Shia patience is being tested and once it crosses it limits there'll be bloodshed all over the Muslim world. Muslims killing Muslims. Salafists every where are spreading hate against Shia's, while Shias are still demonstrating restrain.

Shahpur
Jun 26, 2013 11:17pm

"May be you are searching in the branches, what only appears in the roots". "RUMI".

Ramesh Talwar
Jun 26, 2013 11:46pm

Tragic story.The only place such sectarian killings do not exist or rarely happen are countries where majority belong to other religions.Why?? I am no great exponent on Shia-Sunni divide & reasons thereof, but from my personal experience, I can easily say that I have found most Shia Muslims in India modern in their approach, moderate in their religious beliefs & of course, learned & intelligent. I find them quite friendly and as an Indian I would accord highest respect to my these fellow Indians.

Mufti Shigri
Jun 26, 2013 11:55pm

Yes you are right it is the part of game of the zionist,salafist and american game of divide and rule over the muslims.

Dr. H Ali
Jun 27, 2013 12:14am

unless we realize Faith is a personal matter, there is no need to wear it on sleeves in public.

Abbas
Jun 27, 2013 12:17am

Well done Murtaza for being brave and writing this article based on the true facts. We should appreciate Dawn for the bold step of printing this article. The massacre of Shia muslims has been going on for years. The people should wake up and join their hands to defeat these murderers who have been committing these barbaric acts in the name of Islam. I would urge all the Muslims to look at these events with an open mind and analyze who is financially and militarily planning and supporting these horrific attacks at the government level. Please wake up to the fact that whoever is behind these attacks can't be a true Muslim irrespective of the fact that how regularly they offer their prayers and how close they live to the house of God. I strongly urge all Muslims that we must not fall into the trap of sectarian divide and instead, we should unite in the name of Islam and humanity to peacefully and ideologically defeat this menace.

Shruti
Jun 27, 2013 12:16am

Selective love is not sustainable. If any religion/philosophy preaches that we must love our coreligionists and discriminate against the non-believers, that's when the seeds of hatred are sown. That will only grow, from non-believers to other-sects, to other more micro-schisms.

It's in a way similar to the Caste system. Those upper-castes who believed they were superior by virtue of their birth, then started to discriminate among the sub-casts within the upper caste. However, thankfully, there was no violence in this discrimination. But glad the caste system is fast fading in India.

Pakistani
Jun 27, 2013 12:48am

Your very article is fanning this sectarian crisis. You did not mention that these "Sunni" millitants are also killing Sunnis in Pakistan. While mentioning Pakistan you totally avoided mentioning that Sunnis are also target and being killed. The recent killing of an MPA in KP along with over 30 others at a funeral could not find place in your article why? Speak for all, not just one group.

And why dont you admit that those killing innocent people in Syria inlcuding Assad and Hezbollah are Shia miitants.

yaqoot mir
Jun 27, 2013 01:19am

welcome to the Muslim Ummah so called.....we are now officially the laughing stock of this world......thanks a lot Saudi Arabia. Pakistan will seize to exist soon...wiped off the map due to this fighting, wait and see. Hope has vanished it all over.

Ali
Jun 27, 2013 01:40am

Condemned shias killing all over the world

Chinmay
Jun 27, 2013 01:45am

It reads, "The rest of the world watches silently as Muslims self-destruct in sectarian wars". If rest of the world remarks whats going wrong, they are marked as Zionists and Kuffurs. You guys need to sort out the problem, hate spreads hate. Love spreads love....need to retrospect.

Sheikh
Jun 27, 2013 02:15am

You have raised some valid points but your article is outrightly biased and one sided. What about Hizbollah shais killing sunnis in Lebanon. What about Syrian Alawites (Shias) butchering thousands of sunnis. What about Iraninan (shia) regime's killing of sunni balochis on the false pretext of terrorism. The picture you have painted is too simplistic. You have to show both sides of the story.

sami
Jun 27, 2013 02:17am

I am amazed to see how people like you turn a blind eye on this issue. Shia is not the only one been targeted. Forgot SYRIA more than hundres thousands killed. And mostly SUNNI got killed in the hands of shia. Please if you want to present a stroy. Do it honestly.

Samar B
Jun 27, 2013 02:15am

Your assessment does not appear to be true in India, where out of 167 million Muslims, an estimated 50 million Shia Muslims exist without communal disharmony. As a Muslim from India, I can only attribute this to three possible factors - being united in the face of a much bigger non-Muslim majority; the centuries-old imbibing of the prevalent cultural norms that are generally pacifist; and the fact that Sunni-Shia unrest is much lesser in lands to the East of Pakistan (which have historically been influenced by India). So I would submit that a pluralistic approach to the practice and interpretation of Islam that respects others right to worship can go a long way in maintaining amity.

Zahoor
Jun 27, 2013 02:21am

I guess the more this matter is publicized, the more it gets fanned.

Salma
Jun 27, 2013 02:17am

@Raja Islam: They first killed the minorities of other religions in their countries. Now its the turn of Shias. Then it would be the liberal muslims. Then it would be the women who are driving. Then it would be ...

atheist
Jun 27, 2013 02:26am

The religion of peace!

Eddied
Jun 27, 2013 03:16am

@Raja Islam: Brother Raja, you have said it all...

Khurram
Jun 27, 2013 03:46am

Be thankful to Pakistan's military that laid the foundation for religious extremism back in the 80s under Zia's rule.

Abbas
Jun 27, 2013 05:01am

Moderates need to rise against Extremism or else Muslims would not be able to show their face to Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) on the day of Judgement. And lastly stop expecting justice from those who are sitting and enjoying relationships with US, one who is trying to legitamize taliban and sectarian killers throughout the world and create enmity among shia sunni muslims.

Jansen
Jun 27, 2013 05:53am

Islam has this self distruct mechanism built into it. It has happened many times throughout our history. Today the extreamist come after Shia and the rest of the Muslim community stays silent. Tomorrow they will come after the larger Sunni community and there would be no one left to come to their aid. The curse of petro dollars has been cast on Muslims all over the world.

Ashish
Jun 27, 2013 06:22am

I think a better title could have been "Shias under attack across the globe, everywhere except in tolerant India".

Ahmadi Momin
Jun 27, 2013 06:20am

So long as the second amendment and ordinance 20 will remain on the statute books the green signal to commit atrocities against whom you disagree will contunue unabated. Change or perish. You choose.

Shankar
Jun 27, 2013 06:43am

@Raja Islam: While what people believe in is important, the more important question is whether Islam preaches killing of heretics? If the answer is no, which I believe it is, does Islam specify punishments for people who misguide people into believing Islam preaches killing of heretics? If no, can the spiritual leaders of all sects of Islam be requested/coerced into declaring killing of people of other sects haram and prescribe suitable punishments for those who preach killing of people belonging to sub-sects of Islam and other heretics? Why can't this be done?

Kar
Jun 27, 2013 06:52am

In India, at least, Shia and Sunni, and other Muslim sects such as Bohra are not at each others throats. Hopefully, this will continue. The Indian Govt. took strong measures in the 1980's to control violence in Lucknow during Moharram, and we do not hear much about violence in Lucknow anymore.

illawarrior
Jun 27, 2013 07:40am

So much for the religion of peace.

illawarrior
Jun 27, 2013 07:44am

@Raja Islam: This is muslim killing muslim .... not "heretics".

kdp
Jun 27, 2013 07:47am

Shia are safe in India

BRR
Jun 27, 2013 08:14am

A lot of muslims believe that Islam permits and sanctions killing of several classes of people, especially among the non believers. A carte blanche permission is provided to kill those who are considered to be blasphemers, those who are considered a threat to other muslims, those who do not respect the prophet, those who teach or preach other religions, etc. These sanctions can be easily adopted by any miscreant for selfish or political purposes. That is what is happening all over the Islamic world, especially in Pakistan and the middle-east. There is a lot of equivocation by Islamic scholars before they condemn any killings - a lot of hoing and humming and dancing about other issues and they never condemn killing of others in very simple direct and clear terms.

Syeda Jafri
Jun 27, 2013 08:42am

Shia genocide has its roots hundreds of years back. Even now many religious scholars preach hatred against this sect. If this mentality, fueled with arms & amunition as easily availabe as now, continues, this massacre will continue. However, what these fanatics do not understand is the strength of the ever peaceful shia minority. Once they really show their strength, even Israel can't stand it as was the case in Lebanon war.

Ali
Jun 27, 2013 09:13am

@Raja Islam: Who is to say who is heretic or not ? the so called pious Taliban has caused enormous damage not just to ISlam but also did everything Quran asked not to do . There is not basis for Taliban's version of islam in history and any one can see it was created by birtish empire during the 18th century.

sh(india)
Jun 27, 2013 09:14am

keep killing . I dont know when shias will be killed in india too by sunnis. Muslim population is increasing day by day. As an atheist i dont even feel safe in my country any more.

malik
Jun 27, 2013 09:24am

And our religious leaders keep on saying 'Islam is a religion of peace'.

INDIAN
Jun 27, 2013 09:40am

But in INDIA, Dr.ZAKIR NAIK propogates everything is fine with his religion..He compares worldIy religion with his religion & says its non muslims who goes to hell & all muslims go to heaven because of their faith..Its his own brethern who are dying on daily basis all over the world.Its high time, he concentrate on his people & guide them on right path..all non muslims are fine with their day to day life without worrying whether they go to heaven or hell..

Parveen
Jun 27, 2013 09:51am

It is really sad and heart breaking to read about humans killing each other for no reason. However, the article lost its appeal to me when I reached the paragraph "Across the globe, the Shia-Sunni schism has taken a turn for the worst. The Syrian conflict has pitched the Iran-backed Alawite regime against the Sunni majority, who is being supported by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and other Gulf states". Before this point, author has been very specific about the number of people belonging to a particular sect were killed, but with syrian conflict atleast 100,000 humans from a particular sect have been raped, murdered and looted. So if you are really serious about resolution, pls speak of harmony rather then inciting more violence which i think your article will ultimately do.

ND
Jun 27, 2013 09:58am

Aur Allah ki rassi ko mazbooti se thamy raho aur tafarqa na karo. Above is what Quran says and what Muslims are doing is not in compliance of the Quran. The only beneficial of sectarian killings are the ones who do not want Muslim World united. So my Brothers and Sisters! it is requested to not ever think to hurt the feelings of even non-muslims.

Nafees
Jun 27, 2013 10:24am

The major problem in todays history belongs to illiteracy and human rights where people do not think before they attempt

Pramod Kumar
Jun 27, 2013 10:43am

In some time message will be flooded with Islam is religion of peace and references from Quran and hadiths to prove that but reality is that behavior of Muslim worldwide does not suggest that.

Onlooker
Jun 27, 2013 10:53am

Until Muslim creates the atmosphere in their societies where Islam can be easily scrutinize, criticize, mocked and even reject without getting killed...Its not going to improve!!

Indian
Jun 27, 2013 11:19am

@Raja Islam:

It is not the question of believing. Killing of heretics is allowed in Islam. Here is one verse from Quran as an example

So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds. (Quran 47.4).

You can get more such surahs in quran. They do endorse the killing of heretics.

Raza
Jun 27, 2013 11:24am

Hi murtaza, I think you made a good effort in summarizing the facts, however the evil is further deep rooted, example is why this is not happening in India , having same kind of population mix, the role of our establishment + USA , the events of Baluchistan , it's location close to Iran etc should be taken into account

naheed
Jun 27, 2013 11:23am

whatever however there's no excuse, there's no undecover reason to 'dig in',simply! Why should foreigners feel, mildly speaking, extremely unconvenient in pakistan, when pakistanis feel themself like in heaven all over the globe. What peaceful mountaineers have to do with politics?

Khalid
Jun 27, 2013 11:28am

The game is being played out by the West and House of Saud.

Irfan Ahmed
Jun 27, 2013 11:51am

World has seen the biggest killing of this time in Syria of Sunni Muslims too and we should protest on it as well as 100000 people has been killed so far and no protest I have seen neither road blocks etc against it.

Tahir
Jun 27, 2013 11:54am

It is more likely that more people belonging to sub-sects are also targeted in future, it the violence continues and appropriate measures are not taken.

zafar Iqbal
Jun 27, 2013 11:59am

Those who are killing innocent people they are not human.

anon
Jun 27, 2013 12:33pm

Islam is a contradiction in itself.

Ram
Jun 27, 2013 12:31pm

I am an expat non muslim in Bahrain. Bracketing Iraq, Syria and Pakistan with Bahrain is grossly unfair. Despite all the talk of Shia Sunni strife in Bahrain and pockets of violence there is no civil war situation here. The government is in full control and there is no organised violence either by government or Sunni community against Shias. I work in an organization where Sunnis and Shias and expats work under very cordial atmosphere. Bahrain is definitely an exception to the situation described in the article

Dhanus Menon
Jun 27, 2013 12:47pm

You have mentioned the rest of the world watches silently. What is the rest of the world suppose to do. Help you you each time the deluded Muslims kill their brethren. Muslims created this mess you guys solve it or may be do a rethink on Islam.

SARN
Jun 27, 2013 12:59pm

This is not Islam…. no man on earth has the right to conduct this kind of barbaric act. ignorant people……

@H_3
Jun 27, 2013 12:59pm

Doctor Sb - What you put together are the 'casualty figures' from different parts of the world. What I would have appreciated was is a bit of analysis how it can be strategically stemmed worldwide...

Rehman Shams
Jun 27, 2013 01:18pm

@zafar Iqbal: yes i agree; and whoever give harm/pain/fear to fellow beings are not humans as well.

Parveen
Jun 27, 2013 01:26pm

@Abbas:

"..else Muslims would not be able to show their face to Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) on the day of Judgement."

Look how brainwashed you are. Where do you learn all these distorted facts from? You can't be serious about our beloved prophet being reincarnated just waiting to see our faces.

Dhanus Menon
Jun 27, 2013 01:51pm

@Abbas:There is no such thing as the day of judgement. Grow up....

fida hussain sayani
Jun 27, 2013 01:53pm

Pathetic narrative from, I suppose, a Shia sitting in the land of a Christian country. The writer keeps on harping about Shia Islam and Sunni Islam. The fact is that Islam rejects sectarian division and branding. Therefore in reality all branded sects are un-Islamic.

Imraan Mehmood
Jun 27, 2013 01:59pm

@kdp: but for how long will they remain safe

gopal
Jun 27, 2013 02:04pm

Killing humans for no fault of their own in any part of the world is sad and needs to be condemned in the strongest language. Saying that, it seems to me this protest happens when muslims are the victims and the killers are non-muslims, and this is very selective in nature.

When non-muslims are killed in Pakistan, no shias or Sunnis protest, forgetting that they may be the next. And that is happening here everyday. First Ahmedis, and now Shias.

Whenever Muslims get a chance they protest against the destruction of Babri Masjid, which is probably the only mosque destroyed by Hindus in the last thousand years. Muslims destroyed thousands of hindu temple to show their destructive skills, in the last thousand years, and they are still doing it everyday in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

When will Muslims learn to respect other religions? Not any time soon, if the recent history is to go by.

gopal
Jun 27, 2013 02:01pm

@kdp: I have never heard any Indian Shia to appreciate that.

gopal
Jun 27, 2013 02:08pm

@Parvez: This blame culture will take you nowhere.

gopal
Jun 27, 2013 02:05pm

@Dr. H Ali: Not any time soon, looking at the love and eagerness of muslims to send their children to madarssah even in the west.

gopal
Jun 27, 2013 02:10pm

‘In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.’

-- Ibn Khaldun, The Muqaddimah, New York, p. 473

Very scary prospect for the non-muslims indeed.

Human
Jun 27, 2013 02:30pm

I believe the Shias will be extinct one day it continues like this. They have to be preserved and their number has to multiply to have a level playing ground. Because it is the strength in number. Hope the good sense prevails.

SHAFIQ
Jun 27, 2013 02:50pm

It is not the first time it happened in Islam. Remember the murder of a Caliph in the mosque by the muslim soldiers . Aisha / Ali conflict in the early days besjdes the martyrdom of the Prophet's grandson. The human conflicts are just human conflicts do remember the powerful always wins even in democracies it is somewhat shielded but in democracies like Pakistan the governments are held to ransom. Look at what Army is doing to Pakistan. At the end you get what you sow. Zia or Sharif ? You got to be on your toes your government makes sure you do not get the education to know the deep pit you are in. The Shias did not sree it coming when Ahmadiya were being killed did they protest?

Faryal
Jun 27, 2013 02:49pm

@kdp: Just because the Government is not in hands of Takfeeri's else you may observe the same even more worse in India too.

SHAFIQ
Jun 27, 2013 02:52pm

@Abbas: How many Americans have you found throwing bombs in the mosques in Pakistan?

yusuf g rangwala
Jun 27, 2013 02:50pm

why sectarian warfare is not so common in civilized western world

Pranav
Jun 27, 2013 02:56pm

Jawed Naqvi Saab - Are you reading this ?

Faryal
Jun 27, 2013 03:01pm

Dear Readers, I suggest you all to read a book by Mr. Hamphray (British Spy) before getting into Shia-Sunni Issue which is easily available by just searching Google. I hope after reading the book every Shia Sunni will do self analysis & conclusion for the root cause. Peace

Gilgit Baltistan
Jun 27, 2013 03:38pm

This will continue to happen until we stop defending people like Mumtaz Qadri (murderer of late Governor Punjab, Mr. Salman Taseer). Islam is a very beautiful religion that teaches peace and tolerance and it was widely spread through Sufism. Every citizen of Pakistan deserves equal rights irrespective of his religion or sect.

Abdullah Hussain
Jun 27, 2013 03:52pm

While no one has the right to kill innocent persons, No one also has the right to be critical of highly respected personalities as commonly attributed to shias. For a long lasting peace & harmonious living the shia ulemas should guide their sect to abstained from the irritant they usually indulge in.

Gerry D'Cunha
Jun 27, 2013 04:21pm

there you go!! another feather on the cap of 'peaceful islam'

Mumtaz Rizvi
Jun 27, 2013 04:27pm

@sami: where did this happened ? some where on mars or Jupiter?

Gerry D'Cunha
Jun 27, 2013 04:29pm

@Tahir A: the 'holy jihad' has backfired the muslim world

Amit Lunia
Jun 27, 2013 04:36pm

What is the major positve difference between Shia and Sunni to an outsider Who treats minorities in a better way in their area of dominance Who treats women is a better way or where women has a better say Who seeks education for its ctizens Who invests petrodollars for the welfare of its citizens Which sect abhors violence as justification of beliefs

..and so on

May the best Team win

Mumtaz Rizvi
Jun 27, 2013 04:42pm

@Ali Hussain: rubbish and a lame excuse to promote violence against shias, you should join TTP if you have combat skills else PTI the political voice of Taliban Terrorists always welcomes the likes of you

Pete
Jun 27, 2013 05:05pm

Unless Islam reforms from within, and Muslims openly challenge/debate the tens of thousands of self-contradicting hadiths and tenets, the carnage will continue. What deity requires his followers to shed blood and/or die in holy war to achieve paradise, or commands the deaths of those who leave the faith, or allows the blatant discrimination of "infidels"? Such a deity reigns with fear, forges the faith in blood and is basically impotent. The time for Islamic reform is now. Time to confess/address all home grown ills, be humble, self-analyse and self-correct. The world is tired of the standard 3D reactions of Denial, Delusion, and Deflection from the Muslim world for all her self-inflicted problems.

Indian
Jun 27, 2013 05:28pm

Not in India

Nick
Jun 27, 2013 05:33pm

I completely understand where you coming from but the happiness is over now.

Khalid
Jun 27, 2013 05:47pm

Whenever I hear the news of sunnis killing shias. It makes me ashamed to be a sunni. Since when have we become so intolerant?. Our Prophet offered his mosque to visiting Christians so that they could pray in peace. We can't even tolerate fellow Muslims. Do we really qualify to be called the followers of the same Prophet?

J T
Jun 27, 2013 06:10pm

@atheist: Religion of peace indeed. The graveyards filled with the dead victims are in fact rather peaceful places.

Abbas
Jun 27, 2013 06:11pm

The term "Sunni militants" is absolutely wrong here.... There are small groups funded, promoted and trained by some anti-Muslim elements for their own interests.... They are using those groups against Sunni and Shia’s…. Those anti-Muslim elements are using Media as well for promoting such kind of issues as Sectarian clashes…. Same elements are now promoting these groups in EU, USA and other parts of the world to present a negative image of Muslim (for reference go through events/incidents in recent past in those countries…)

js
Jun 27, 2013 06:37pm

"ironic don't you think"........safest place for Muslims is India. If Sunnis play up here, we just slap them silly till they behave.

Wajahat
Jun 27, 2013 06:52pm

Well as always, you like to be hypocritical and just relay the half picture. Why don't you talk about the fact that in Syria, Shias are undertaking a massacre of Sunnis with arms from Iran and soliders from Hizbollah?? but ofcourse you can never speak the truth because it's part of the game you play all the time.

Syed
Jun 27, 2013 06:53pm

@zafar Iqbal: O bhai, these people are the thekaydaar of Islam. We must distance ourselves from these people. Say no to extremists

Syed
Jun 27, 2013 07:15pm

@sami: I knew someone would bring up Syria. These Shia killings have been going on for much much longer. Shias are being killed everywhere BECAUSE of their Faith. Sunnis in Syria are being killed because Government forces don't want to give up their power to extremists from the Arab world. There is a civil war going on there, again sunnis are not being killed for their believes. Just google and see how many Shias have been killed in Iraq and Pakistan alone. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Syed
Jun 27, 2013 07:30pm

Please don't bring Syria into the discussion. Shia killings in Iraq and Pakistan have been going on for much much longer. Also there is a civil war going on in Syria. Sunnis there are not being killed for being Sunnis. Yes Hezbullah is helping the government because they don't want extremists al qaida to take over Syria. Hezbullah has never been accused of killing sunnis for their faith. Same can't be said about these Salafi extremists. You bring Syria into this discussion to dilute this sore subject or Shia killings. Shame on you.

Ahsan
Jun 27, 2013 07:38pm

I usually like your blog due to the fact it covers both side of the story. I must agree with the content of the blog as it is identifying the sectarian killing and in most cases they are Shia muslims. I think we miss the point here in this region, Middle East and Indo-Pakistan. We believed in suppression and wiping out the of opponents by every possible way. If you see examples of Iran which is mainly shia majority country you will find lots of UN report suggesting people being imprisoned or killed for practising their faith (executed by state) and it includes everyone from doctor to nurses and people from all walk of life. Although the difference of ratio between the shia majority and minority faith is no way threatening for the regime and no way comparable with other players in the region . Therefore I believe in this region all the regime are insecure therefore they are opting for all possible mean to sustain which eventually lead us to the fact that it’s not shia-sunni issue rather its sustenance of power issue. Unfortunately shia muslim are in minority in the region therefore facing more brutality towards them. If the situation would have been other way around than sunni muslim would be persecuted. As there is nothing wrong in either believe it’s the people living there have certain attitude and behaviour towards others. That is evident, as both sides believes in no mercy and worst part is everything has been done in the name of Allah.

musthaq ahmed
Jun 27, 2013 07:54pm

@Muzjee: Difference is banished Sir ! That is the heart of darkness. If we accept difference why partition and why the killing invoked by a call for direct action. The authors of the call have superior claim to violence than the petty Taliban of today.

Zia
Jun 27, 2013 07:59pm

@SARN:Unfortunately, for my generation this IS Islam. I wonder how a perfect religion can lead its followers to such stark ignorance and inhumanity.

Ram
Jun 27, 2013 08:22pm

@Ashish: "..... and other countries where Muslims are not in the majority"

Ram
Jun 27, 2013 08:27pm

Mr. Haider, nice article. George Friedman of the American think-tank Stratfor says that Muslims will never become a major international political force because of infighting. Your article highlights that. This is also a reason why a small number of Israelis can fend off a much larger group of people all around them.

Bedouin Abrahamic
Jun 27, 2013 08:36pm

Who are Shia ethnically and historically? The root cause of Shia sect is Persian, Iraqi and Syrian trying to preserve their way of life, culture and language. Bedouin brutes wiped out native spirituality (Zoroastrian) in mere 40 years by imperial diktat - only Muslims have right over any material possession which included wife and children. More evolved and civilized Persian, Iraqi and Syrian responded with Shia sect within Islam. Shia is more close to Soofism, an unorganized individualized spirituality. Organized religions are by design Armed Legions who provide cannon fodder to few imperialist exploiters and marauders.

Hussain Akbari
Jun 27, 2013 09:23pm

@Parveen: What is happening in Syria has no involvement of Shias. Asad also is not a Shia.

Naseer
Jun 27, 2013 09:30pm

@Shankar: I fully agree and it is a thoughtful view. Thanks for saying it. All religions teach peace and respect of human life and possessions. Unfortunately some people use the name of religion to gain power. Illiteracy is their strongest tool in spreading hatred and wrong propaganda. Anyone against education (attacking educational institutions or killing students) is surely against peace and only after power for his own benefit alone.

Raja Islam
Jun 27, 2013 09:44pm

@Shankar: This cannot be done because it is the spiritual leaders of various sects that are preaching the killin.

ROHIT PANDEY
Jun 27, 2013 09:52pm

Ancient hatreds...that is what Sunni-Shia divide is about..started right at the inception of Islam.

Kept alive carefully over the centuries...the Persian-Arab divide has turned into Sunni-Shia divide and the fall out is the civil war in Syria....

In secular dispensations like Canada and India..the Shias are safe and so are other religious and ethic minorities.....moral: GIVE RELIGION A REST FROM PUBLIC LIFE....message for Muslims: Look forward bury your intra-religious quarrels and while at it..start exploring your Hindu/Buddhist past BOLDLY AND FRANKLY!

If you cannot,won't or don't ...no one cares...only weapon dealers and manufacturers will be happy to watch you annihilate yourselves.

Good luck,guys!

hamza
Jun 27, 2013 10:17pm

before it was ahmadis and now shias pakistan is now all about killing

Abdul
Jun 27, 2013 10:17pm

@SARN: on the contrary, this is islam. this is what has happened for centuries within and between muslim kingdoms.

Hasnain
Jun 27, 2013 10:18pm

@Indian: All of these verses need to be understood in their context, which is these killings may be permitted if you are at war with a party and they are attacking you or oppressing or terrorizing your community etc.

Killing Shias travelling on a bus, killing shias who badmouth one of the sunnis revered figure or killing tourists trekking a mountain is NOT permitted through these verses. Also, Suicide bombings always target innocent civilians or security forces and killing an innocent person is like "killing mankind" (this is also mentioned in the quran). My point is these verses need to be read in context, just citing this verse separately results in confusion

bikram singh
Jun 27, 2013 10:27pm

@kdp: shias are safe only in india

Ram
Jun 27, 2013 10:29pm

@Dr. H Ali:

People you must raise the voice ...Else, Islam would be most hated all over the world ...it's already i believe.... people like you must silence hate mongers like Dr.Zakir Na(la)yak... It is in the interest of peace of the world itself

Anon
Jun 27, 2013 10:32pm

Well , Shias and Sunnis are brothers and they have always helped each other . Dear author, it wud have been great if u wud have specified the fact that this barbarism is conducted by Talibans having no relegion or belonging to sect beleiving that Shias are kafir. . .

hussain
Jun 27, 2013 10:52pm

You forgot the mass deportation of this sect from UAE(Dubai is currently resisting the pressure to follow suit due to economic reasons). No reasons are stated for the deportation, everything is all of a sudden, put in lock-ups for no reason with only 2-3 days to leave (inform your family to pack-up while you are in here), barred for 1 year or so from reapplying for visa, have their heads shaved etc.

And this is happening to those who are working in high ranking positions and down to taxi drivers.

Jam
Jun 27, 2013 11:19pm

@Ram:

Hi Ram, it is a good thing you dare not write anything against your country of current abode. Your each and every communication is being monitored.

Be careful and write always good as you have been told to. You will get lots of pats on the back and scope for a long term job prospect.

Nauman
Jun 27, 2013 11:29pm

@Abbas:

Hi Abbas, do I know you from somewhere just recently? Give us a lead and we will do whatever you have suggested. It is a valuable suggestion. But we need to know where and how to make a start. It's not about just unity but integration too.

raza aly
Jun 27, 2013 11:39pm

I dont care what Islam says,no body has any right to kill a person because you disagree with him. No body has the monopoly on truth.

iftekhar hussain
Jun 27, 2013 11:47pm

This is a completely biased piece of journalism. I am myself a Shia, but it is not only us that are killed routinely, but also the other sects including the sunnis.

Ali
Jun 27, 2013 11:52pm

@sh(india): Time will come this will happen in India as well.........rather i suggest other countries to allow citizenships to sunnis or shias only, as history suggests these two will never stop fighting!!!!!!

ahmad hassan
Jun 28, 2013 12:36am

what is happening in syria..?? who is being killed by whom there..?? what is the situation sunni muslims in iran..??? i am against the killing of any human being but bracketing only community and portray them as a "mazloom".. that's certainly not fair..what they are doing in karachi..?? hundreds of ULLEMA martyred by them over the period of time.. and if you talk about hatred speech, khumeni was a biggest hate monger..

Awais
Jun 28, 2013 12:37am

@Syed Naqvi: surviving only because of those illiterate people who had adopted and spread different conspiracies about the islam to make a seperate entity on the name of Islam, look back to 150 to 200 years you will not find anything about these shia sunni groups.

Muhammad Awais
Jun 28, 2013 12:39am

We are now divided in groups just because of some senseless persons about the religion who made this thinking of groups which are now called shia sunni. Everyone is trying to prove that they are the only followers of their religion and others are not.

Ajay Vikram Singh
Jun 28, 2013 12:58am

Its the biggest irony in the universe to kill in the name of God. There is something somewhere really really wrong.

Arif Ahmad
Jun 28, 2013 01:20am

OPTIMISM ON THE ROPES

I live in the realm of hurt, in the kingdom of pain.

The religion of peace and our age held hostage by a handful of radicals. The savage and the hidden few, killing left right and center, innocents and bystanders, women and children and wreaking havoc with their twisted ideology and a Jihad gone astray.

Haqooq-ul-Ibad who cares, Sharia and Quran misinterpreted, defied.

The muslim scholars, the political powers, divided, scared, dumbfounded and quiet, watching from the sidelines, feeling safe and protected, their heads in the sand.

Our youth, our poor youth, between a rock and a hard place, confused, disillusioned, discouraged and turning away.

More than anyone else, muslims killing muslims, a shameful statistic, not easy to explain, not easy to defend.

These barbaric acts, justified as revenge, retaliation, without remorse and mercy and not realizing that: Two wrongs never make a right.

“Hope for peace” are three words as are “Not in sight.”

Optimism on the ropes.

I live in the realm of hurt, in the kingdom of pain.

Arif Ahmad www.arifahmadmd.blogspot.com

baig
Jun 28, 2013 01:45am

@zafar Iqbal: yes they are muslims

ROHIT PANDEY
Jun 28, 2013 02:13am

@Shruti:

Selective love is not sustainable..........

Does not that little phrase SAY IT ALL....apt description of what happens in Muslim societies.

Comes in way of SECULARISM ..the life blood of DEMOCRACY!

Khalid
Jun 28, 2013 02:32am

@fida hussain sayani: Your choice of words and rudeness makes me ashamed to be a Sunni.

Zahid
Jun 28, 2013 03:46am

@Indian: And it is just so easy to label anybody a heretic and make them a target.

Mohinder
Jun 28, 2013 04:40am

Most religions have evolved over time and changes are constantly taking place. Hindus no long practice sati and other evil things. Christians no longer read Bible in Latin. Similarly Jews have made many changes after world war two. Islam needs to make similar changes to stay relevant in the modern world. I am not expected my comments to be printed by Dawn. For some reason they never print, no matter I have to say.

Safdar ali
Jun 28, 2013 04:44am

Muslim is killing Muslim, it is shame and this is not Islam.

Akil Akhtar
Jun 28, 2013 05:38am

@SHAFIQ: They are cowards they use drones instead to kill innocent Pakistanis every day.

Akil Akhtar
Jun 28, 2013 05:42am

@gopal: While you keep blaming Islam and pakistan for every thing in the world.

Akil Akhtar
Jun 28, 2013 05:44am

@Indian: It is talking about when you are in war with non believers, so understand the context.....

Akil Akhtar
Jun 28, 2013 05:49am

@malik: No! the civilized world is a bastion of peace and to achieve it they only had to kill 6 million Jews, a million Vietnamis, a few million of their own in World war I and II, a few hundred thousand Iraqis, and Afghans and a few thousand Pakistanis etc. The quest for peace is continuing and may require many more sacrifices of the people of lesser god.

Nasir jamal khan
Jun 28, 2013 05:50am

@Indian: Strange that the verse you posted had very significant qualifier as "( in battle)" and you still insist that Islam requires killing of non-believer. Please read carefully what you post, first.

Qalb
Jun 28, 2013 08:58am

@fida hussain sayani:

Its pathetic you feel that way! At least the writer has taken the time out to highlight the very serious issues being faced by the Shia community. He may be in according to you " Christian Land" but we all know it if anyone would write such an article in a country like Pakistan it would be a matter of days till his body is found in a bag in some deserted street.

The sectarian division go back hundreds of years hence its just ridiculous it say that there is just one type of Islam.

SBB
Jun 28, 2013 09:02am

@Human: They are already marrying multiple times and having kids that they cannot support. It hasn't worked in the past. Will it work in the future?

SBB
Jun 28, 2013 09:06am

@Raza: So you're saying its someone elses fault? Sirji generally speaking Indians are not taught to hate since childhood. Our heros are not the conquerors.

Yawar
Jun 28, 2013 09:40am

Unfortunately hatred in Pakistan between sectarian and ethnic groups is too pronounced to expect anything different. We are all for our own groups and do not care for others that happen to fall outside our circles. If only we respected each others beliefs and if Sunnis helped Shias in need, and Shias helped Sunnis in need, Mohajirs helped Punjabis in need, and Punjabis helped Mohajirs in need etc. etc., things would have been very different.

Ashish
Jun 28, 2013 09:46am

@Khalid: I appreciate your views. But please stop using the word tolerate. Are you saying you "tolerate" others? Or is it the others tolerating you. Learn to celebrate others and be proud of others. Be human.

I.A.Siddiqui
Jun 28, 2013 09:57am

Is it so? Mr. Haider is trying to create chaos in whole Muslim world, based on incidents in pockets.

Yawar
Jun 28, 2013 09:56am

@kdp: Your point about Shias being safe in India does not make sense. If they are safe in India, they are also safe in China, and Russia and Malawi and Canada and Morocco, and the list goes on. The article is about how Sunnis to a large extent and Shias to a lesser extent have used their position of power to try and dominate and even kill member of the other sect. You need to stop making these statements about how much better India is to Pakistan. Both my wife and I are Shias of Indian decent and we thank God every day that we were born and raised in Pakistan and not India.

Ram Krishan sharma
Jun 28, 2013 10:03am

@Indian: Please DO NOT BE SO CERTAIN. In India many things can happen like a flash flood without Any warning. The hard line Hindu parties are not happy with congress , they want a change of government .

Mansoor Khan
Jun 28, 2013 10:16am

This conflict is almost as old as Islam itself, it is simply based on premise that " I am right and you are wrong". You can give a lot of other reasons but the bottom line is unless Muslim accepts the concept that religion is a very personal matter and we all have a right to believe in what we think is right as long as it does not hurt others or infringe on their rights. Mansoor Khan USA

Haider
Jun 28, 2013 10:56am

@Shruti: Islam does not preaches what you have written "Shruti" in fact it is opposite of what you understand

Hussain684
Jun 28, 2013 11:47am

@yusuf g rangwala: They are sponsers

Rajiv Kaushal
Jun 28, 2013 11:52am

"Shias under attack across the globe" I would like to hear that about india... we have same number of muslims as pakistan... only when we read about pakistan we get to know there is something like Ahemdi, shia or sunni..

Dixit
Jun 28, 2013 12:16pm

Why don't Shia find some new way of life and seperate themselves totally.

Ahmed Sultan
Jun 28, 2013 12:26pm

@Irfan Ahmed: Please be the change that you want to see

name
Jun 28, 2013 01:21pm

@Khalid: Intolerance to non-muslims\atheists allowed in Islam? Unless muslims purge themselves of 'us' vs 'others' , you are going to get more of the same.

Raza
Jun 28, 2013 01:29pm

@Indian: There is no mention of killing of heretics in Islam. Which sura and verse are you quoting may I ask ?

Secondly, who decides what a heretic is? What is the Islamic word for heretics? In English the meaning is,"One who differs with the general public opinion." There are millions of Shias in the world so their view is of a very large majority of Muslim sect. In fact if we divide up Ahle Sunnah sect into their Imams, Shias are the biggest sect in Islam.

Raza
Jun 28, 2013 01:33pm

@SHAFIQ: So did you or your elders protest? That means they all should be subject to being killed? What logic are you proclaiming?

ikram
Jun 28, 2013 01:37pm

there are lot of similarities between shia sunnis but differences are little. I dnt undrstand why both sects dnt undrstand it. Both of them should create tolerance. We have one God, belive in last prophe and Quran. If we follow them then there is no space for sectrainism.

Shazada Malik-Laon
Jun 28, 2013 01:39pm

The Shia-Sunni conflict cannot end as long as there are political differences - the writer forgets that Shiaism was a political protest but hibernated by synthesizing with Chritianity into a new religion.The Shiaism is not an Islam since it does not follow the basic tenets of Islam and it is against the core priniciples of Islam - it shoudl in fact be called Ya-Hussainism. The writer forgets that Iran was a majority Sunni until all its religious leaders were killed and people forceably converted by the imported Allawite Christian synthesized Ayatullahs from the Lebenon. Similarly, the Shias have a code that that enshrines lying and the Allawites took control of Syria by following the Christian philosphy of Batthism in order to destroy Sunni majority. So it is not the Shias or the Hussainism that are being slaughtered it is the Sunnis that are being raped and killed.. The writer betrays his Ya-Hussaini background.

Rajeev
Jun 28, 2013 01:43pm

@Abbas: Stop living in Utopia , these things will only change if you stop hiding behind conspiracy theories.

adeel
Jun 28, 2013 02:21pm

There is no argument here; God neither gives you the right to kill, Muslim or otherwise, nor declare anyone a non-muslim irrespective of what a person believes or says.

Salima
Jun 28, 2013 02:33pm

Why not Shia of india and Iran are target? It is one and only the Govt. responsible to stop this. In Pakistan our agencies are doing it to destablize the elected Govt. this has nothing to do with Shia or Sunni.

M. SaleemRaikodi
Jun 28, 2013 02:46pm

Sunnis have the men, money and machine to try dominating the Shias. But Shias too have to bear the responsibility of being hardcore. Branding Bibi Ayesha, as ..... or sniding at all the Caliphas barring Ali RA, will in no way help the situation. There may had been some narratives of dislikes by some of Ali RA followers, but enlivening it with religious zeal each day and month and keeping those episode whether rumours or reality will only keep the fire of hatred burning. It only needs a bit of oil each time, which Shias keep doing it.

Ali
Jun 28, 2013 03:04pm

@Truth: To wake up the blind souls like yours brother.

TAM
Jun 28, 2013 03:28pm

@Abbas:

Please be bold enough to expose those anti-Muslim "same elements". You will be doing Islam a big favour in their slumber.

gary
Jun 28, 2013 03:51pm

@Tamil selvan:

In 1971, hindus in Bangladesh were more than 20 percent of the population, today they are less than ten percent.

Tenali
Jun 28, 2013 04:42pm

I sympathise with their suffering. But the title is wrong. There is one country where both Shia's & Sunni's ( in fact other sects too ) are safe. That is INDIA.

MaulaJatt
Jun 28, 2013 04:46pm

We are genetically same people in Indian and Pakistan. We eat the same food then what is the difference... The difference is we believe in different systems of faith. India with majority Hindus follow the path of dharma and co-existence where as Pakistanis with majority Muslims follow the principle of differentiation as taught in their faith. Judge for urself

Hulegu
Jun 28, 2013 05:00pm

@Pranav: Javed Naqvi will bring in an Indian and Hindu angle to justify/blame for Shia killings

Jaideep Gupta
Jun 28, 2013 05:01pm

This is the character of muslims, their blood lust never ends.They cannot live in peace with other communities. Even they fight among themselves. As a Hindu I would like to read Al-Quran just to find actually what is there in this holy book. Why people of a particular community is so ferocious in character and never adjust with other religious communities.

Arun1
Jun 28, 2013 05:40pm

We must bring children up to think for themselves and not rely on books written thousands of years ago.

There is no proof God exists so it is best to bring them up on unbelief that way they wont fall prey to militants.

irfan baloch
Jun 28, 2013 05:56pm

@SHAFIQ: yes shia didnt protest when the same has been happening to Ahmedis & Hindus & Christians this is religion for you the majority & powerful sect will always kill the rest

El Cid
Jun 28, 2013 06:04pm

@BRR: “A lot of muslims believe that Islam permits and sanctions killing of several classes of people, especially among the non believers.”

Any one who believe this is going against the teachings and example of Muhammad and the Commands of Allah given in the Noble Qur'an. As such they can not be described as Muslims.

In this context please note that ALL other Sacred Scriptures of ALL other religions require the annihilation, even the total extermination of the 'Other'...including their water supply, animals, crops, trees, plants. Even babies are NOT to be spared.

El Cid
Jun 28, 2013 06:35pm

@gopal: “In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty...”

Not so. Muslims follow the Concepts, Definititions, Commands given in Qur'an Majeed. The words “holy war” in Arabic would be: "Harb Muqaddasah". No such word exists in the Glorious Qur'an. Further, even the concept of “holy war” does not exist in the Noble Qur'an by any other name. Even "Jihad" is not "holy war", irrespective of what the Web memes.

The word “holy” is a Christian Concept: The Holy Bible, Holy Pope, Holy Jesus Christ, Holy Mother of God...Holy War, etc.

None of these are Islamic Concepts. There is no Holy Prophet, Holy Qur'an, Holy War, Holy God...etc. or any such word or concept given in Qur'an Hakeem.These words or concepts do not exist in Islam, although many Muslims have imported them from Christianity and think they are appropriate in Islam too. Not so.

ROHIT PANDEY
Jun 28, 2013 06:34pm

@Pranav: He does.

Chooses to ignore and uses his own "logic" to pen!

Yawar
Jun 28, 2013 07:12pm

@kdp: you said "Shia are safe in India"

This is because the extremist groups in India do not differentiate between Shias and Sunnis

Vijay Rathod
Jun 28, 2013 08:08pm

@Faryal: Don't worry. In India government will never be in hands of takfiri.

Vijay Rathod
Jun 28, 2013 08:22pm

@Ahsan : I appreciate your honesty. Right from its inception, Islam has always been a tool to achieve power by wiping out opponents. There is nothing spiritual about Islam. Those muslims who realise this liberate themselves and lead happy life by migrating to West. Those who do not keep fighting among themselves and /or waging wars with peaceful cultures.

PT KHan
Jun 28, 2013 08:44pm

@SHAFIQ:

Hi Shafiq you said

"It is not the first time it happened in Islam. Remember the murder of a Caliph in the mosque by the muslim soldiers . Aisha / Ali conflict in the early days besides the martyrdom of the Prophet's grandson."

Thank you for endorsing how barbaric Islam is and has been.

El Cid
Jun 29, 2013 02:32am

@Kafir: “Islam -- religion of peace? Only if you cherry pick from the book.”

On the contrary, the Noble Book stands on its own, for peace with oneself and with the World. It is one complete coherent consistent unified whole advocating forebearance, tolerance, and peace.

It is the cherry picking by such as you that distorts its meaning and context. Those of us who actually read it know the clever ways in which you do it.

El Cid
Jun 29, 2013 02:53am

@KKRoberts: “Nirvana through killing.”

Nirvana/Dharma through genocidal slaughter is advocated in the Bagahtvat Gita. Murder and killing is B' Gita's central theme. Its lessons and teaching are taught by god Lord Krishna himself to Archer Arguna. With rivalry between gods Vishnu and Krishna thrown in for interest and drama.

Taught in the battle ground by god Lord Krishna, with gruesome practicals, stretching over eighteen years of fratricidal assassinations and genocidal killings...to assure and multiply its impact and impress its importance on Arguna's mind.

Ajay Vikram Singh
Jun 29, 2013 04:26am

Stop killing human beings in the name of god. That is the height of stupidity & ignorance. There can be absolutely no justification to kill an innocent person. When you sanction violence in the name of religion, it never stops. There will always be an excuse to kill another one. first you kill other religions, then you kill other sects within your own. then sub-sects and so on. It creates a culture of violence that can be misused by various people with vested interests. Don't approve of violence in the name of religion or God. That's not done.

ROHIT PANDEY
Jun 29, 2013 07:00am

@Jaideep Gupta: Throw back to the times in desert where and when Islam was born?????

ROHIT PANDEY
Jun 29, 2013 07:06am

@Haider: Your line of thinking shows amazing clarity......????

Moiz
Jun 29, 2013 09:05am

@Shazada Malik-Laon: You have stolen my words Shazada Malik, what you have written is the real history which happened Sunnis and 99% Sunnis are very open minded people and unfortunately sunnis don't know about these facts.

AZAAD
Jun 29, 2013 01:07pm

@Shazada Malik-Laon: Brother, you are being unfair and unjust. Worse, you are ignorant of the truth, which, is your moral duty to seek. Brother there is no conspiracy here, minorities are always victims and only if noble people such as you think with a clear and honest mind, that shias, sunnis, others will live in dignity.Political differences do not justify slaughter.

Sami
Jun 29, 2013 02:38pm

@Dr. H Ali: When you say faith is peronsal matter what do you mean can you explain more? May be you do not know islamic history? Ignorance at its best

ROHIT PANDEY
Jun 29, 2013 04:40pm

@Gerry D'Cunha: One of the most prescient remarks on terrorism came from K.P.S Gill the Indian police officer who led counter terrorism efforts in Indian Punjab in the 80's.

I have read him remarking that the terror in Pakistan is going to feed on itself and is very unlikely to spread out of Pakistan.....it was close to a decade back...so very,very true!!!

ROHIT PANDEY
Jun 29, 2013 04:53pm

@Bedouin Abrahamic: The Persian were being crushed under the rule of their kings when Islam came to Persia...it's message of brotherhood was a clarion call for the suffering population.Islam made a fast ingress...much like India where an archaic caste system allowed for Islam. to find a foothold....

Lots of Iranians rue that period of history today!

p r sharma
Jun 29, 2013 08:11pm

@Safdar ali: Is it OK if Muslims killing non Muslims?