The heart’s filthy lesson

Published Feb 14, 2013 08:55am

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An anti-Valentine's Day billboard in Karachi put up by Tanzeem-e-Islami.

A few days before this year's Valentine's Day, a couple of billboards began appearing in Karachi asking young people to say no to Valentine's Day because it promoted obscenity and contradicted the teachings of Islam.

The anti-Valentine's Day campaign is the brainchild of the cultural wing of an organisation called Tanzeem-e-Islami (TI).

TI is a non-political Islamic organisation that was formed by Islamic scholar, Dr. Israr Ahmed, in 1957 when as a young member of the fundamentalist Jamat-i-Islami (JI) he resigned from the party after it had decided to take part in Pakistan’s mainstream politics.

The TI functioned as a conventional religious organisation sharing Dr. Israr’s commentaries on the Quran and Hadith with the few followers that it had gathered between 1957 and the late 1970s.

However, TI’s following began to grow after General Ziaul Haq pulled off a reactionary military coup in July 1977.

In 1981 the state-owned Pakistan television channel, the PTV, was asked by Ziaul Haq himself to give Dr. Israr a weekly show.

The show became one of the first in Pakistan in which an Islamic scholar would sit in front of an audience and deliver lectures on Islam.

The first season of the show mostly saw Dr. Israr delivering lectures on his understanding of the Quran, Hadith and the Shariah.

But, alas, as can be expected from most famous religious personalities (of any faith), Dr. Israr too began to add moral and political dimensions to what were once strictly academic religious proclamations.

Since hijabs and burqas were not all that common among middle-class women at the time, in 1982 Dr. Israr approached his show’s producers and exhibited his irritation at seeing ‘uncovered women’ in the audiences that were selected for his TV lectures.

What’s more his irritation in this respect also became the basis for Zia’s Ministry of Information to ask women newscasters, and actresses in TV plays to be ‘modestly dressed’, and with the least amount of make-up.

This was also the period when various women’s organisations were pouring out onto the streets of Lahore and Karachi to protest against what they thought were the Zia regime’s discriminatory and misogynistic policies and laws against women.

But just when these women were being baton-charged by the cops, women newscasters on TV began appearing with dupattas on their heads and no make-up!

A woman newscaster reading the news on PTV in 1982. It was around this time that the government asked all women newscasters to cover their heads with dupattas.
A woman newscaster reading the news on PTV in 1982. It was around this time that the government asked all women newscasters to cover their heads with dupattas.

In TV plays women stopped being shown in western dresses or without a dupatta. In fact, western dresses were only allowed to be worn by men and that too by those playing villainous roles.

The farce did not last long, but Dr. Israr was successful in getting his female audience wrap their dupattas tightly over and across their heads.

In 1983, Dr. Israr began punctuating his lectures on Islam with his thoughts on what he believed was the need of the hour for Muslims around the world: A worldwide caliphate.

It is believed that Zia knew well about Dr. Israr’s ideas about the caliphate and gave permission to PTV to allow the scholar to relate his desire to see the enactment of a modern-day Islamic caliphate.

The idea was to Zia’s liking because it not only gave a kind of religious justification to a dictatorship supposedly based on the dictates of Islam; it also eschewed and undermined any call for restoring liberal democracy in Pakistan.

Emboldened by the fact that he was being given space and a countrywide audience to listen to his ideas about the caliphate, what Dr. Israr did next would put even the wily, Machiavellian Islamist like Zia in a quagmire of sorts.

After making his women audience to wrap their heads up with dupattas (hijabs were still a distant invention in Pakistan), he now wanted to see all women in Pakistan doing the same in public.

But since Zia’s Islamisation project was still relatively new, and Saudi and Iran funded Islamic outfits in Pakistan had yet to develop the kind of roots they did from the late 1980s onwards, the Zia regime could only play around with the convoluted idea of ‘female modesty’ on TV, and that too not without facing constant resistance.

A woman’s rally in Lahore protesting against the Zia dictatorship is baton-charged by the police (1980).
A woman’s rally in Lahore protesting against the Zia dictatorship is baton-charged by the police (1980).

Disgusted by the Zia regime’s ‘moral policies,’ woman activists burn their dupattas in Karachi (1981).
Disgusted by the Zia regime’s ‘moral policies,’ woman activists burn their dupattas in Karachi (1981).

As mentioned earlier, women organisations were protesting against Zia’s laws on the streets but a time came when some women employees of PTV also refused to follow the moral dictates of the regime.

For example, after appearing for a few weeks without make-up, some women newscasters on PTV refused to read the then all-important propaganda package (the main 9’oclock news) called Khabarnama.

The news had begun to be read by two newscasters from 1980 onwards, a woman and a man.

After appearing on the screen without make-up for a few weeks, PTV’s leading women newscasters eventually refused to read the news.

For almost a week, the 9 o’clock news was presented by two men.

Embarrassed by the episode, Zia’s Information Ministry advised him to tone down the policy.

Zia did just that and the newscasters returned.

An Urdu newspaper quoted one of the women newscasters saying that they felt insulted by the policy because they were wise enough to understand what was right and what was wrong. She also went on to say that the government should not be interfering in women’s personal matters.

Mahtab Rashidi was a learned and good humoured Sindhi woman who used to host a popular show on PTV called ‘Aap Ki Baat,’ in which she used to read and answer letters written by PTV viewers about various programs offered by the channel.

By 1983 she was the only woman on PTV who was hosting a show without covering her head with a dupatta.

The Information Ministry kept asking the producers of the show to request Ms. Rashidi to follow the Ministry’s new duppatta-on-the-head policy, but to no avail.

Rashidi’s laid-back style of hosting and humour had bagged a huge fan following that also included some members of the Information Ministry!

Nevertheless, still angry for being made to retract its no make-up policy by the rebelling women newscasters, the Information Ministry finally decided to get a bit tough on Rashidi.

‘Who are they to tell me what is right and what is wrong?’ Rashdi was reported to have said about the Ministry. She said she was doing the show in normal, simple clothes and she was wearing the dupatta exactly where it was supposed to be worn.

‘How will wearing the dupatta over my head make me a better and more moralistic woman?’ She asked. ‘And why is this being dictated to me by men?’

Suggesting that the issue of women’s modesty was for the women to decide and not for finger-wagging males obsessed by how a woman should dress, she stormed out of the show.

She was not to appear on PTV until after the demise of the Zia dictatorship in 1988.

Mahtab Rashidi (left) with a friend in Karachi (1983).
Mahtab Rashidi (left) with a friend in Karachi (1983).

Zia had been happy in the knowledge that Dr. Israr’s lectures on faith and the Caliphate were working to his advantage and in a way giving scholarly and even divine justification to his rapidly unfolding Islamisation project and his political and legislative manoeuvres (undertaken to ‘Islamise Pakistan’s politics and society’).

But during a period (early 1980s) when the dictatorship was facing stiff resistance from leftist and progressive student groups on campuses, and on the streets by the PPP-led nine-party alliance, the MRD, and by various women’s organisations, he asked PTV to start giving extensive coverage to all series being played by the Pakistan Cricket team.

Under the captainship of the team’s new skipper, Imran Khan, the Pakistan team was performing extremely well and Zia wanted to use this to his advantage through PTV.

But shortly after Imran’s team had devastated the visiting Australian and Indian Test sides in late 1982 and early 1983, Dr. Israr was incensed when he heard a couple of young women in the audience of his weekly lecture on PTV talking about how Imran had taken 40 wickets in the 6-Test series against India (1983).

Once the audience settled down in the studio and TV cameras began rolling to record his lecture, he quickly talked through his usual meditations on the holy book and the Shariah, but then after pausing for a moment he diverged to announce that sports like cricket should be banned in Pakistan.

‘Cricket is making Pakistanis ignore their religious obligations,’ he said. The cameras kept on rolling.

‘I am convinced that cricket matches should not be shown on TV.’

The cameramen and the producer of the show were by now scratching their heads. What was Dr. Israr up to? The audience remained quiet.

He then added: ‘Even after the showing of matches on TV is banned, only men should be allowed to go to the stadium to watch these matches.’

Dr. Israr speaking on PTV.
Dr. Israr speaking on PTV.

This particular episode was not aired on PTV. In fact, Dr. Israr suddenly vanished from the mini-screen.

His fans began to phone in and ask PTV why Dr. Israr was not appearing on TV anymore.

PTV devised a convoluted response: ‘Dr. Israr is not well but he will return to do his show as soon as he regains his health.’

Some three weeks later the Udru daily, Jang, broke the news that Dr. Israr was in good health and that it was what he had said during the recording of his weekly program that got him withdrawn from PTV.

Jang quoted Dr. Israr repeating his demand of getting the showing of cricket matches banned on TV and that only men should be allowed to go and watch matches at the stadiums.

However, this time he went a bit further: ‘Have you seen how cricket bowlers rub the ball when they are preparing to come into bowl?’

Dr. Israr said the bowlers ‘suggestively rub the ball’ on the flashy parts of their body (the backside) and across their groins.  He specifically signalled out Imran Khan.

‘Our mothers, sisters and wives watch all this on TV and in the stadiums,’ Dr. Israr complained.

He was of the view that a player like Imran Khan (who was considered to be a sex symbol and a ‘playboy’ around the cricketing world at the time), does the groin-rubbing routine in the most obscene manner and (thus) ‘corrupts the minds of young Pakistani women.’

Imran Khan bowling in the nets watched by Wasim Raja (1981). Dr. Israr accused him of rubbing the cricket ball across his groin ‘in the most suggestive manner’ and ‘corrupting young women.’
Imran Khan bowling in the nets watched by Wasim Raja (1981). Dr. Israr accused him of rubbing the cricket ball across his groin ‘in the most suggestive manner’ and ‘corrupting young women.’

He then went on to call upon the Zia regime to ban showing cricket matches on TV and the entry of women at cricket stadiums.

As mentioned, Zia’s Islamisation project and the proliferation of Islamic evangelical organisations in Pakistan in the early 1980s were still a relatively new and rootless phenomenon.

At the same time Zia was facing a number of political and ideological challenges and resistance from large sections of the population, especially due to the many controversial ‘Islamic laws’ he was planning to unfold.

Such challenges were being thrown up not only by secular political parties but also by organisations looking after the interests of the Shia Muslim sect and the then largely moderate Barelvi Sunni sect, both of whom had become alarmed by the way Saudi Arabia and other oil-rich gulf monarchies had begun to establish mosques and seminaries.

Zia did not respond to Dr. Israr’s demands. But being an admirer of the volatile Islamic scholar, he advised his Information Ministry to ask Dr. Israr to continue doing his TV program, but stick to talking about Shariah and the Caliphate and leave the cricket commentary to famous cricket experts and commentators of the time, such as Iftikhar Ahmed, Chisty Mujahid, Omar Kureshi and Muneer Hussain.

So it wasn’t that PTV chucked out Dr. Israr. Dr. Israr huffed and puffed his way out himself.

He had insisted that his talk on how cricket was corrupting women be allowed to air on TV.

But when PTV chopped that portion of his lecture out, he refused to do the show anymore.

Dr. Israr would only rarely appear on TV after this. But he had already bagged a sizable following that grew even more when Zia’s Islamisation project finally began to kick-in from the late 1980s onwards and especially after the mid-1990s when a number of Islamic evangelical organisations emerged and successfully competed to bag large urban middle-class followers.

In the late 1990s during the rapid proliferation of conservative evangelical outfits in Pakistan that were all supplementing the growing interest in religious rituals and thought among the urban middle-classes, TI began to evolve a cultural wing of sorts as well.

Also, and just like many other Islamic evangelical organisations in the country, TI’s ‘cultural’ initiatives have squarely focused on issues of morality, or rather female morality.

The liberal sections of the media and population have often criticised many of these organisations of navel-gazing about trivial issues, and spending millions of Rupees on largely imagined and inconsequential moral issues in a country being haunted by religious extremism, sectarian violence, terrorism, rising rates of crime and unemployment, misgovernment and corruption.

I managed to place a call to one ex-member of the TI and two current members (all males).

The ex was of the view that those using TI’s name to run campaigns against things like Valentine's Day and are against ads for women’s designer lawns were trivialising Dr. Israr’s work and image.

Interestingly, one current member claimed that TI had nothing to do with the recent anti-Valentine's Day campaign; while the other member said that such campaigns were ‘an extension of Dr. Israr’s larger philosophy and teachings.’

I asked him, how come the TI doesn’t run campaigns asking people to say no to terrorism and extremism as well?

‘We are not a political organisation,’ was his answer.

One of the books authored by Dr. Israr that discusses his concept of the modern-day caliphate.
One of the books authored by Dr. Israr that discusses his concept of the modern-day caliphate.

After I reminded him that Dr. Israr’s ideas on the creation of an international Caliphate that (he believed) would emerge in Pakistan was a political statement and idea, he said Dr. Israr’s politics had nothing to do with the kind of politics that takes place in Pakistan.

My parting question to the gentleman was: ‘Do you think running anti-Valentine's campaigns are a precursor to the emergence of an international Islamic Caliphate?’

I didn’t get an answer.

Many of Dr. Israr’s detractors have blamed him for trivialising his own work and image.

They believe that unlike Islamic scholars like Javed Ghamdi or Islamic thinkers like Muhammad Iqbal, Dr. Israr, in spite of being a highly learned man, couldn’t control his ‘mullah instincts.’

Some women organisations accused him of being a misogynist. One member of such an organisation told me: ‘I laugh whenever I see these nice, white and polite billboards asking people to say no to Valentine's Day.  I laugh because they are being financed and put up by an organisation that was formed by Dr. Israr.’

She then related a curiously shocking incident (about which columnist and blogger Tazeen Hussain has also written).

In 2006 (during the Musarraf dictatorship), the government held a large ‘mixed marathon’ in Lahore that was open to both men and women.

Men and women running the Lahore marathon in 2006.
Men and women from some European and African countries also participated in the marathon.

The Mutahidda Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), the alliance of a right-wing religious parties responded to the ‘threat’ by holding rallies against the marathon.

One of these rallies took place outside the Karachi Press Club.

The rally was also joined by Dr. Israr and some of his supporters.

Leaders of the MMA. The right-wing religious alliance that withered away just before the 2008 election.
Leaders of the MMA. The right-wing religious alliance that withered away just before the 2008 election.

One of journalists covering the rally was a young woman with a camera and in a sleeveless top. She tried to approach Dr. Israr for a comment but he refused to talk to her.

She persisted and he finally turned his attention to the young journalist. But not before telling a colleague of his: ‘Dekho! West nein iss haramzadi* ka huliya hi badal diya hai!’ (Look! The west has totally changed the look of this obnoxious woman!’

(*Haramzadi also means a woman born out of wedlock).

So yes, do say no to Valentine's Day. Otherwise you know what you are.

 


Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com

 


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Pramod
Feb 15, 2013 06:27am
Jeff.Are you a Muslim. If you are the tell us have you read Gita or Bible or holy book of any other religion. Should not you read those books before suggesting some one to read Quran. Any Non muslim or any body from any faith will understand any other religion by the deeds of the followers. What AHA has written is some what that kind of understanding only and there are many like him in the world they have got the same understanding and source is same for all deeds of the follower.
IndunderstandingPak
Feb 15, 2013 07:36am
I now understand that Pakistani Muslim Liberals are also facing oppositions from their own Muslim conservatives. I think, I as an Indian liberal/secular should not stereotype Pakistani Muslims as conservatives/communals/bigots/fundamentalists/extremists/terrorists/militants there are few Liberal Muslims too among them though they are not powerful as the conservatives who may support the liberals of other nations or religions.I understand Pakistan is not Kasab,massod Azar,hafeez saeed,Osama bin laden etc their are also few liberals like NFP,Najam sethi etc.
Waft
Feb 15, 2013 06:42am
Exactly. Gems and diamonds are objects - owned, bought and sold. Women, on the other hand, are fully autonomous human beings (big surprise there) who have the right to make their own decisions about life, including how to dress. It's such blatant hypocrisy to proclaim that women should be kept indoors because they are precious, when they are treated like second class citizens all the time. In fact, in our culture men are valued much more than women (please don't argue with that, you'll lose all credibility) so perhaps they should be kept indoors for 'protection'. You guys just want to control other people like all insecure creeps. Why are you so scared of independent women? I'd suggest some serious therapy and please don't get married before that, your misogyny will ruin the "single Muslim girl's" life.
Khan
Feb 15, 2013 05:10am
Worry about RSS, VHP, BJP fundamentalist in India
Sumit
Feb 15, 2013 05:13am
Mr. Paratha: There are practical reasons for not segregating marathons by gender. Large city marathons in the west may have anything from 5000 to 25,000 participants. Making the ``bandobast'' is very expensive (security, food and water stations, keeping a vigilant watch so that noone is cheating - yes that happened many years back in NYC when someone took the subway and came in second!) Which means that having the race on two different days or at two different locations will double the expenses. It is not possible to have them at different times on the same day, since a large number of the faster women will come in before the relatively slower men, and the slow men in that case will block the way for the fast women. The olympic is different, where after many heats only a few run in the final. Finally, as the proud father of a 8 minutes/mile marathon and ultramarathon running daughter let me say that there is yet another reason not to segregate the races. All people perform better when confronted against superior competition. Why deprive women of the fun and confidence that comes from defeating men?
kanwal
Feb 15, 2013 03:30am
I am speechless after reading the last few lines.
G.A.
Feb 14, 2013 01:14pm
Why is it that only women bear the brunt of clergy in all faiths? Not until people stop putting this clergy on a pedestal will progress take place.
Zahid
Feb 14, 2013 03:01pm
Read This before opening your mouths. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine's_Day
ghazi
Feb 15, 2013 08:09am
the most advanced nations do not play cricket except a few(max. 3 or 4). They play football or any other game consuming maximum 2 hours or so.
HNY2013
Feb 15, 2013 02:29pm
Please come back to your country and regain your lost identity Mohammad.
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 01:39am
You call a Mullah, a scholar if he a flowing beard.....not from what he utters. He is not fit to be living in the present age....may be in stone age. If Pakistan follows such mullahs, then the nation doesn't require US to take it to the stone age.
SA
Feb 14, 2013 01:55pm
Dr. Israr and other mullahs like him are an embodiment of what is wrong with Muslims in this day and age. Attempts to legislate a convoluted interpretation of Islamic morality and impose the values, will and code of conduct of a small group on a vast majority are not only alienating the Muslim youth from Islam, but have also made the religion and its followers a laughing stock across the non-Muslim world. You can say no to "Valentine's Day," but how will you prevent the millions of Google search hits for pornographic material originating from Pakistan or purge us from the evils that are rapidly rotting our society. Corruption, intolerance, extremism and an utter disregard for universal human rights and values are the burning issues of our nation. Celebrating a non-religious tradition such as Valentine's Day should be the least of our concerns.
Ambreen
Feb 15, 2013 05:02am
Can you point out where did he equate women with gems? All he said was that a single Muslim girl is more precious than all the gold and gems in the world. Does NOT seem like an equation to me. Please read his post for yourself and verify.
Yahya
Feb 14, 2013 01:22pm
On this mostly "anti zia" article you deserve to become a minister in the next cabinet of PPP. InshaAllah.
Agha Ata (USA)
Feb 14, 2013 01:49pm
I remember an incident when Zia ul Haque mentioned Israr saying that he stood up in a mosque where Zia was also praying and said that he wanted to talk to Zia ul Haque, and then he said, "Cricket should be banned in Pakistan . . . " Zia said, "I didn
Khalid
Feb 15, 2013 11:04am
Why are you scared of western culture?. There is a lot we can learn from them.
Umair uz Zubair
Feb 15, 2013 07:43am
I have no doubts, we with our little knowledge perceive things which we think as right. But never bother to take some pain in finding what actually our religion is telling us to do or follow. There are clear mention of Do's and Don'ts. The problem arise when subjects like Hijab, playing a particular sport etc are defined by Scholars with their understanding and references............We may differ with the scholars but should not use derogatory words and refrain from using bad words. And Should try to study and understand the particular matter further.
Ali Arslan Syed
Feb 15, 2013 07:43am
And the specter of Dr. Israr looms still at large ....
Fauzia
Feb 15, 2013 05:05am
You sound like an angry mulla...
Wajeeh
Feb 15, 2013 05:04am
Aamir Liaqat is intolerballlllle I dont know why Geo has taken him to promote Islam.
Mia
Feb 15, 2013 03:29am
really ? b'coz its in INDIA ?
SuperPak
Feb 15, 2013 05:18am
Your wishful thinking. No power on Earth can take Pakistan to the stone age. Pakistan, on the other hand, can turn at least one in to a smoldering cinder end to end.
dr vimal raina
Feb 15, 2013 05:21am
Sir, the mole on you cheek, aint a mole, it is a scar. it is called ZUH tattoo that will last thousands of generations.
TNT
Feb 15, 2013 05:23am
Confused meaningless out of context rant.
Nadir Aziz
Feb 15, 2013 03:41am
After reading this article I remember the words of a friend of mine who told me a long time ago and I quote " Jab Mullaon ko hukumat do ge to aur kya uumeed hum kar sakte."
Bobs
Feb 15, 2013 03:11am
Point is not that..that we have other issue or not..Point is who are these people to tell others what to celebrate or what not..Moral policing has become too much. Everybody just get one life and let them decide what is good or bad for them. Celebrating a day for love if some people want to do that whats harm in it?...Pakistan jumped to have Nuclear bomb when western country had it( they are the one who invented and developed it in first place).IF it is not unislamic to follow west nuclear techonology which is very destructive then why it is unislamic to follow western traditions of celebrating a day for love which only spreads love not kill somebody
punevision
Feb 15, 2013 03:10am
I can tolerate God and beleivers but God's agents just get on my nerves.
HNY2013
Feb 15, 2013 02:43pm
Glad Pakistan is not good in swimming or gymnastics. Wonder what would they have said about the dresses then.Ops i forgot, they would NOT allow women to play to begin with.
Faisal Rehman
Feb 15, 2013 06:24am
We all believe in liberal, libre, or freedom of expression within our believes. Libral is not bad for it self but some poeple confuse it with maadr-pidr azad society. we are against of yolo, and that 'maadr-pidr azaad' society concept.
HNY2013
Feb 15, 2013 02:41pm
from a leader of PTI who used booze and women advocating Caliphate is hilarious
HNY2013
Feb 15, 2013 02:11pm
Spot on!
Q&A
Feb 15, 2013 05:25am
A symbol of trust, faith, prayer, and love of God.
SQ
Feb 15, 2013 03:10pm
Doesn't sound any less horrible.
Mohammad Assad
Feb 14, 2013 08:27pm
Psychological fear? If they put up posters detesting V-Day, on private property...what is stopping someone else from doing the same promoting V-Day? Ohh...sorry I forgot, it is already happening on TV and in many shops/billboards around town.
Mujahid
Feb 15, 2013 05:34pm
I hope you will also disclose the sources,from where you gathered all this absurdness. This will surely raise the standard of your article and help people understand your claim against Dr israr(ra).
Faisal Rehman
Feb 14, 2013 04:29pm
This article is presented as hijab is bad, Dr. Israr is bad and ZIa's efforts of islamization is evil, and the main topic that anti-valentine slogan is sin. IMO: 1. valentine is result of globalization, the culture is not ours. 2. it results in non-sense trade of heart baloons, imported roses and gift cards (nonsense the gift cards and roses means cut more trees and greenry and drop by drop more greenhouse effect.). 3. If you really find someone that you want in your life the straightaway send your parents and marry him/her. Meeting na-mehrum talking, laughing, texting make no sense and one goes no where. 4. Hijab means protection for women and for men, hijab is keeping haya in their eyes and nuding by girls by their strange stares. As Banu Qudsiya said that you don't put openly on road your precious gem, jewelry, gold or money. You protect it secretly in safe. Same goes in case of protecting the honour of your loved on. 5. Dr. Israr thought and said as per teaching or Islam, Quran and Sunnah. Which I fully agree with. The author must also dedicate an article on teaching and life of Prophet Muhammad (Salallah u Alaihe Wasallam). Thanks
malik
Feb 15, 2013 03:40am
and go to haj on a camel.
Haider
Feb 15, 2013 03:36pm
It looks like on reading bill boards, he lost his senses. His agenda was to criticize Dr.Sahib ideology while hiding the real facts from public. He explained many wrong points some are following.. He said that TI following began to grow after General Zia pulled off a reactionary military in July 1997, but the fact is that Tanzeem-e-Islami was properly established in 1997 when first constitution was written, also he said in article about bowler rubbing of ball, he wrongly attribute this towards Dr.Sahib, Dr.Sahib never said this, reality was that Dr.Sahib was against cricket due to time wastage, people wastes their whole day on watching matches,therefore this game should be abolished. That's was Dr. Sahib saying. Jahan b huq awaz uthata hai batil ki yehi kosish hoti k ush ko chupaya jaey, par huq to galib anay k liay hi hota hai.. And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur'an 17:81] Courtesy: Zarafshaan Noor
HNY2013
Feb 15, 2013 02:57pm
Google's Trends application, reveals that Pakistan tops the all-time list of porn hits/downloads - this data maps the period ever since the search engine started collecting the data - while India comes in third behind Vietnam.
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 04:04am
Hijab is not ordained by Koran. Arabs, both men & women, used to cover their heads to protect themselves from sand storms in the deserts. Other converted muslims simply aped them initially and cantankerous mullahs made it mandatory for women to cover themselves
Kosher Nostra
Feb 15, 2013 03:30pm
Idea is not necessary. They are paid per article.
Adnan
Feb 15, 2013 08:05pm
Dear, don't go far, just read 2nd and 3rd Ayat of Al-Baqara with fearful heart and you will understand. Don't argue with me about "fearful heart", just do it with purity and you will understand that fear here does not mean the fear one would experience out of ruthless being. Its totally different and lies in it the whole beauty which can only be felt. May Allah guide all the pure Hearts. It is the reasoning that brought first ever evil to be born ..."Why should I bow down to Adam"...here comes the reason ... "you made him from clay and I am from fire!!! Why should I bow down to him". Pure hearts just follow and do not reason therefore they are called Angels. Think about it. Iqbal Says: Jo aqal ka ho ghulam woh dil na ker qubool
xpert
Feb 15, 2013 07:53pm
Mr Farid Paracha is going maliciously against all religious scholars for nothing....All his columns are going against the religious clerics. It seems his point of view is only the best....
Waft
Feb 15, 2013 05:21pm
Actually in Pakistan most sex workers like to cover up, hijab etc. in public. Just an interesting fact. :)
G.A.
Feb 14, 2013 08:43pm
Since when did drones become suicide bombers? You need to read my comment properly.
ZZH
Feb 15, 2013 05:20am
NFP has disproved you in his agitated article.
Indian
Feb 14, 2013 01:46pm
Pakistan is an Islamic theocratic state called "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" ruled by kalif Zardari who is implementing Sharia law.
Waft
Feb 15, 2013 05:23pm
Stop fantasizing LOL. Not gonna happen. Sorry, mate.
G.A.
Feb 15, 2013 07:33pm
Throughout history, any nation that has shunned its clergy has grown politically, economically, technologically and above all morally! Current Western civilization is living proof. Islamic civilization was too a thousand years ago when the clergy had no clout.
Kashif
Feb 14, 2013 04:34pm
Atleast they had Dupattas to burn. What will our liberal women of today burn..?
abbastoronto
Feb 15, 2013 02:59pm
LOL
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 03:15am
Religion in politics is bad. Largely Christian Western Europe has stopped religion from interfering in state affairs. Turkey has progressed as a nation after its mullahs are kept in check India has done economically well because of its secular constitution. Bangladesh is better than Pakistan in Human Development Index after its independence. Nepal has kicked its king and has turned secular. Will Pakistan do the same? Two nation theory is still there in the back of their minds.
Bobs
Feb 15, 2013 03:12am
Hope somebody beat them up too
abbastoronto
Feb 15, 2013 03:01pm
You got it.
ISI
Feb 14, 2013 04:48pm
Pakistan has to face Muslim communalism,India has to face Hindu communalism,America has to face Christian communalism.
ammar
Feb 14, 2013 04:58pm
And one of the efforts is to ban the cricket in pakistan and get in to the personal lives of everyone.
HADI SAKEY
Feb 14, 2013 01:23pm
Zia ul Haq was a man with sick mind set. He wanted to impose puritan Islam under the guise of Sharea. Sharea was not prevalent at the time of advent of Islam. Sharea is man made laws. They contain subjective thinking of various Imams, Theologians. Most of them are neither not applicable nor applyable.
Waft
Feb 15, 2013 05:18pm
He apparently has a huge 'fan' base. Think about that!!!
Haider
Feb 15, 2013 03:34pm
Interpreting the Quran is not left up to just anyone; there are levels of the interpretation of the Quran, the highest of which is interpreting the Quran with the Quran. The second level is interpreting the Quran with authentic prophetic narrations. The third level, is interpreting the Quran with the Companions
Ayesha Khawaja
Feb 15, 2013 02:18pm
gibberish. Do you think you are the only one who can write? We can write far better than you and that to defend our faith.
AHA
Feb 15, 2013 04:04pm
Naked on the street? You need to get your eyes checked. Or maybe you are just delusional. Or then, maybe you have a vivid imagination.
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 04:06am
Isn't " HARAMZADI" an abuse....
Raj
Feb 15, 2013 07:06pm
Handsome not necessarily Inteligent!!!!
Bamboo@gmail.com
Feb 15, 2013 07:07pm
the lectures of Dr israr really gives amusement nothing else.........
Waft
Feb 15, 2013 04:43pm
Caliphate as in the religious system of governance. Muslims may have made some/many contributions to science in the past but that was not really due to the role of religion I would say it was in spite of religion. And it's high time we stopped running back a thousand years to find some contribution to useful knowledge in the world. Let's live in the present.
Waft
Feb 15, 2013 04:49pm
Ironic isn't it, with all the identity talk. :)
HNY2013
Feb 15, 2013 02:25pm
How many rallies against the terrorists killing innocent people or defense personnel? How many fatwas against Malala killers?
AHA
Feb 15, 2013 04:44pm
Wow, a great response.
AKNadeem
Feb 15, 2013 06:40pm
Valentine Day, we had heard of it but never appealed to us. I belong to sixties generation, our valentine wishes were silent, and our valentines understood it as well. That is the difference between my generation and MTV generation, expressing valentine wishes bit loudly.
Umair
Feb 15, 2013 09:29pm
This is not one of NFP's best written posts, but he details a lot of history and that is critical. In our country, there are few historians. We get hogwash in our Pak Studies textbooks, but they are skewed to the right. The value of NFP cannot be overstated. He is a national treasure. In fact, you heard it here first - NFP is Pakistan's Jon Stewart!
HNY2013
Feb 15, 2013 02:52pm
So is it OK to use words like "HARAMZADI" in public and for a lady?
Ahmed Shah
Feb 15, 2013 06:42pm
I dont know what I just read. People do this stuff daily, not just on Valentine's day. I dont know what the writer is trying to prove here.
Azim
Feb 15, 2013 11:03am
the biggest slap on ur face is Dr. israr Ahmed(ra)'s lectures are allowed in india still Alhumdulillah,and during his life he was visiting india.
TrueLove
Feb 15, 2013 04:56am
Clearly English idiom and simile is NOT your language. And I thought this was an English language paper. Must be madrassa education. Please forgive me, I intruded.
Jeff Garett
Feb 14, 2013 08:55pm
Good try but your Straw Man does not pass muster. Obviously you are not familiar with Islam. Sad indeed if you are a Muslim and write such ignorance. Understandable propaganda attempt if your are not. Please, you think. Even better read the Qur'an and verify your error, misstatement and conclusion. Be true to yourself. Truth will tell...
Beg
Feb 14, 2013 08:57pm
You waft hermaphrodite have already lost your I'd.people who have character never lose their id nomatter where they are, west or east, remember allama iqbal spent a lot of time in Europe for studies but never lost his character.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 08:52pm
Yup. It's not an oxymoron, if that's what you are trying to suggest. Secular as in not wanting to shove their religious belief down everyone's throat.
G.A.
Feb 14, 2013 08:47pm
@SorryForYou - Please tell me then where I can find pictures of billboards per my comment.
kuhak
Feb 15, 2013 04:53am
Fascinating read. Thank you.
EveryOne
Feb 15, 2013 04:50am
According to the definition of "Secular" and "Muslim". Not because of any hypocrite mullah. Please stay with standard ENGLISH language. Don't make up your own definitions.
Mann Singh
Feb 15, 2013 06:52am
What about non-Muslim girls?
Waft
Feb 15, 2013 06:50am
Even if you do say so yourself :). Not that being handsome has any bearing on someone's being tiresome or otherwise. I think it has more to do with your incoherence, poor reasoning and objectifying women. Oh and please see my response below to "the women being gold and gemstones" argument in response to "True love", I don't want to be repetitive.
Pramod
Feb 15, 2013 06:40am
In the same way Modesty is not something which belongs to a Burqa clad woman only.A very modern girl can be more modest than a fully covered woman.
PTI Zindabad
Feb 14, 2013 01:13pm
shortly whole country will be in love with him as well.
doraha
Feb 15, 2013 06:31am
Excellent chronological background of extremists. Pakistan must become compatible to be part of the world. These clerics must understand Evolution and Growth. Evolutionery process is continuing till infinitum. If Kainaat badlti tau zaat bhee badley gee. Good article.
suleman
Feb 15, 2013 04:44am
I couldn't help but laughing at the ball part and I was thoroughly impressed with the images of women's demonstrations. Keep it up NFP.
Virkaul
Feb 15, 2013 06:28am
" As Banu Qudsiya said that you don
Cheeta_Govinda
Feb 15, 2013 06:29am
Pure opinion presents just that: a viewpoint of well-established facts. Lately NFP has started to use this space (reserved for opinions) to present little-known historical 'facts', in which case sources are essential to prove his point. I think its a good service to the community, but NFP does tend to fudge a little to support his own agenda, and given that a number of comments are questioning that veracity of this account (which I would actually like to believe), I would also like to see sources before making up my mind. As far as doing personal research is concerned, an author should not leave the burden of proof on readers - that's just lazy.
tahir
Feb 14, 2013 01:40pm
The Tanzeem Islami is trying to nurture the Islamic spirit of the people, to awaken them and remind them of their true purpose in life. It is a noble effort which should be applauded.
LOL
Feb 15, 2013 05:32am
This is NFP's sleight of hand, an old trick of his. Very few, like you, ever catch him out
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 04:34am
The women in West has the option of getting rid of a violent husband without being subjected to social boycott & derision, whereas in Pakistan, if they try that, the society condemns them throughout their life.
intolerant
Feb 15, 2013 04:37am
Foxtrot off... Foxtrot logic....
GhostRider
Feb 15, 2013 04:27am
Wow I didnt know Dr. Israr was such a big deal back in his days...btw m still laughing about his opinion on Imran Khan rubbing the ball on his groin :D
Esuas
Feb 15, 2013 05:34am
Give me a break!
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 02:05pm
If you are commending them for not resorting to violence, your standards are low indeed.
The Saint
Feb 14, 2013 01:33pm
Mr Paracha, kind of people u r trying to put off voting for Imran, probably don't read newspaper in english language. so its a wasted effort.
Ahmad
Feb 15, 2013 10:57am
at the end of the article the columnist has put a false blame on Dr. Israr Ahmed. The girl who was the journalist, had misinterpreted the whole situation. Dr. Israr Ahmed in his speech on the occasion didn
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 04:17am
God
Ahmed Ali Shah
Feb 15, 2013 08:45am
I am neither a liberal nor a conservative, not even a moderate. I am neither leftist nor rightist, or for that matter a centrist. I am an ordinary Pakistani with a Western style of education & free mind, yet very committed to my religion. & it is my utmost belief that Pakistani youth has lost its modesty, especially the women. Media has a huge role to play in this. We cannot & will not have a state like Iran under the Shah nor the Khomenie, but swinging between the two our youth needs modesty, morality and ethics based on Islamic principles now more then ever. Besides all of the above, when in love every day is a valentine's day. So why celebrate just one day? Live ur life, without exposing it on others - this is the same demand liberals make of religious people.
tahir
Feb 14, 2013 01:43pm
In that case why ban anything socially harmful? Just leave it all to the people to decide. Unrestricted libertarianism based on a misguided democracy will only lead to a 'survival of the fittest'. This is ok for animals, but not for the best of creation.
Rubab Abbas Zaidi (@Rubabaz)
Feb 15, 2013 06:11am
This is it !! Thoroughly enjoyed reading it !! Like always Good job, NFP !!
Lyra
Feb 15, 2013 06:15am
Nice Article... Now i clearly understand how, why and what led to the downfall of Pakistan, causing it to be a Failed State today!! Thanks for the article.
Omer
Feb 15, 2013 06:18am
come on man.....apart from the first and the last line of the paragraph, we did not have any reference to the valentine's day...
Virkaul
Feb 15, 2013 06:10am
Ummemohamed, by your name, I presume you are a woman. Women working for a living is not a Western invention. Women have been working in fields, as artisans, construction sites, factories for years due to necessity. It would be best to devote maximum time to a child. But in practice, the women you talk of can hardly devote any time as they are only producing one each year. A woman with 7-10 children can never raise them to become intelligent but will lose her's too. Your philosophy suggests that they don't get educated, never move out of home for work or fun, cook and warm beds for their husbands. Funny logic.
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 02:44pm
Yes. Few women in the work force means lower productivity for any country.
AHA
Feb 15, 2013 10:40am
I would reply, I reasoned to try to find the truth. Fear works for you (and that is obvious from your post) But reason works for me.
Kashif
Feb 14, 2013 04:40pm
I have heard hundreds of his lectures and no where has he ever mentioned this guy or any other conventional Maulana. On the contrary the person he quoted most was Dr.Muhammad Iqbal.
Faisal Rehman
Feb 15, 2013 06:08am
Yes - this is what I beleive in. If want someone to be in my life then I will propose irrespect of spring, summer, or winter.
muhammad
Feb 14, 2013 02:20pm
Dr Israr had his own peculiar views about lot of things he was more inclined towards the biased interpretation of Holy Quran as he followed the views of Mehmood Abbasi the famous Nasbi of 20th century
Mukesh
Feb 14, 2013 02:20pm
Too much of everything is bad. Too much salt is bad, too much sugar is bad and similarly too much religion is bad and too much westernization is bad. Just set your limits depending upon your society, your life and your circumstances, let common sense prevail and nobody will get offended. Our parents never told us that Layla-majnoo, Heer-ranjha, Sheeri-farhad were evil people.
Ghulam Murtaza
Feb 14, 2013 02:24pm
In the end, writer has been misinformed. Dr Israr didn't abuse the lady, he recited a verse (she'r) " NAI TEHZEEB KO AISA THAPPER RASEED KER, JO HARAMZADI KA CHEHRA BIGAR DEY" MURTAZA
Hash
Feb 14, 2013 05:07pm
You mean Hassan Nisar
Kdspirited
Feb 14, 2013 04:10pm
Hijab is not an obligation. It is something created by men to hide their overall insecurities. There is no precidence of hijab anywhere in the history of our nation before or after Islam. This element was introduced by Zia to show the world that he was bringing islam to Pakistan by making women cover their heads. Running a marathon is not about liberalism its about healthy competiton and promotion of athletics in Pakistan. Take the filth out of your head so you can see clearly.
Faisal Rehman
Feb 15, 2013 06:06am
its just abstract example, gem means something valueable, keeping in safe or inside mean protecting it in context of hijab and taking care of. I think you better understand the logic instead of denying it with argument for argument.
Dilawer
Feb 15, 2013 06:01am
Current Drone strikes are results of wrong policies of likes of Israr Ahmed. Any retard who can not become or contribute anything in life becomes a mullah.
Virkaul
Feb 15, 2013 05:59am
was it deliberate to put your location after your name in your post? Wink. If you have migrated to Canada and acquired it's citizenship then you have already lost your identity as a Pakistani.
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 01:53am
They will make a bonfire of all mullahs flowing beards.
A Rehman K
Feb 15, 2013 05:54am
There is no doubt that Zia used Islam for political gains and Musharraf did exactly opposite for exactly the same reason. However, Modesty and Haya are well established and explicit directives of our religion. Yes you cannot and you should not impose any such injunction onto someone who is not thinking like you. Spirit to obey the divine teachings is the only answer which is not found easily in ourselves these days.
freak
Feb 15, 2013 01:46am
so u r based in toronto and giving the speeches to the people of pakistan on how to live ..... good on u...wat a waste of pathetic life
muneer a hasan
Feb 14, 2013 04:36pm
Oh yes, u can....just hang thema ll in the public square and let that be a lesson to all nation-dividing traitors who divide in the name of religion ! That is what Ataturk did and he wasn't liked by the clerics for a good reason. he made Turkey the modern country that it is today with a booming tourism industry and what do we have ? Bomb blasts everyday in the name of religion.....these very upholders of faith take the name of the Almighty in vain.
Amin
Feb 14, 2013 02:01pm
Mr. Paracha favours Gen Musharraf struggle for western liberalism (Marathon race) and ridiculing Gen Zia struggle for Hijab. Gen Zia is inclined towards Islam and Gen Musharraf to west strictly in the above example. A large section of muslim women do wear hijab as one of the religious obligation in Islam and Mr. Paracha will not see western brand of ladies in Pakistan for long.
ahmad butt
Feb 15, 2013 05:50am
Welcome to my world, they also do it to me, and its so annoying, especially when NFP has the freedom to be bold, but when it comes to comments you can be liberal till you question the army and status quo. My grudge is Mr.Zia's family is overseas, his daughter who accuses CIA of masterminding his death is in USA and the other in UK, both non islamic welfare democracies.. Poor Imran Khan and PTI, they dont know biased media, i mean when Imran Khan said he is willing to risk his life to negotiate with TTP, he is taliban khan, but when the other parties are invited or either offer to do so they are saviours of the country. Ball rubbing against the groin is a joke considering what is going on. And also one thing to burst our islamic jamoria bubble, the world does not consider us as an islamic nation, and especially when you wil visit Saudi Arabia, dont get disappointed when people are rude to you.
Alok
Feb 15, 2013 08:37am
Dear Sumit, Haya/Behaya is used in North India as well. Although sharm/besharm is more common. Regards, alok.
Waft
Feb 15, 2013 08:39am
And why do you get to decide what's everyone's ' prime responsibility' in society? Why don't you just decide for yourself and let others decide for themselves? Why the obsession with control?
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 02:53am
Islam may be better than other religions, but its followers are the worst kind on the earth....They make Islam look bad.
bilal
Feb 15, 2013 05:45am
god save caliphate if PTI comes to power.
Oh' Yeah!
Feb 15, 2013 05:42am
They also have the highest suicide, drug, and alcohol rate. Ever wonder why???
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 02:40pm
Dr. Israr wins the grand prize for the absolutely longest wagging index finger.
Kashif
Feb 14, 2013 04:58pm
On the contrary Dr. Israr was very tolerant of Shia views unlike most of convertional Mullahs..!
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 02:42pm
Valentine's Day is the greatest threat to Islam since the invention of the atomic bomb.
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 02:31am
90% American dictated laws
Shaikh
Feb 15, 2013 02:19am
Lets not slate each other here, all we need at this very moment it to be UNITED...no matter what caste/sector you are end of the day We all are Muslims...there are very basic and small things that can CURB us out of Islam...our job is to make sure we are not following anyone of them...Only thing we can focus on is Teaching our young generation the Values of Islam and to practice or not to is up to a person himself...Muslims are divided today based on geography, caste, color, status which is exactly what Islam did NOT teach us. Shaikh Singapore
Sumit
Feb 15, 2013 05:36am
To all Urdu speakers: I am an Indian Bengali. The word ``haya'' exists in Bengali and means shame. We even have the word ``behaya'' which means shameless (``besharam'') Does ``haya'' mean the same in Urdu? I ask because the word does not exist in Hindi. If so, it comes from Farsi or perhaps Arabic. How did a Farsi/Arabic word spread to Bengal, skipping Bihar and eastern UP?
bilal
Feb 15, 2013 05:35am
I guess the picture is picked to just 'irke'. It's a symbolic expression, to show he is on the other side. Anything wrong with that ??
Nauman
Feb 15, 2013 09:00am
Ignore these liberals. Whatever they don't like they attach labels of "saudi" "Wahabbi" and "Zia's era brought this". Whatever doesn't go down their throat. NFP's caliber can be very easily understood by reading his pieces. He has an agenda which is pretty evident and according to which he has to twist everything whether it is right and wrong. I wouldn't even want to waste my time on the baseless accusations he has made here. These people are not even worth giving importance. I would of course give a response if there were any arguable points with some base at least. Linking everything to Saudi or Zia with no reference to what the Quran or Hadith has been the best job of liberals so far and that's all they can do in every article. You wouldn't find any academically educated piece from them with regards to religion.
AHA
Feb 14, 2013 04:41pm
Hello Moderator, This flew right under your radar.
Kashif
Feb 14, 2013 05:04pm
Dictation??? Can't they give their opinion.. and (acc to ur lgic) Who gave you that right to dictate us what is for or against our culture and tradition..?
Khalid
Feb 15, 2013 10:22am
We all know that nations that keep their women in their houses have NEVER produced a sientist, never excelled in education and have never progressed as a nation. I suppose you are also against the idea of women getting an education?. I think you are underestimating the women in Pakistan. Pakistani women (like most women in this world who work) are smart and very capable of doing both (looking after the children and having a career). Unless I am mistaken and also nobody in this world has noticed the society you are referring to. Lastly, I hope you keep your ideas to yourself and are not in a position to influence anyone other than your own immeidtae family because I would like to see Pakistan (and particuarly Pakistani women) a nation that Jinnah would be proud of.
Kashif
Feb 14, 2013 04:42pm
Waste of Money and Human Resource
SecularIndian
Feb 14, 2013 04:32pm
Is there secular Muslims in Pakistan? if so what are the characteristics of Secular Muslims and how Secular people of other religion or nations can identify secular Muslims and be friends with them and avoid communal Muslims.
SJ
Feb 14, 2013 02:59pm
Define Evil please? Seems like what you guys are doing here is pretty angelic. huh
AHA
Feb 15, 2013 10:51am
Someone like Abdul Sattar Edhi reads the Quran and does the wonderful things that he has done. Someone like the Taliban suicide bomber reads the same Quran, and blows up innocent people, Muslims and non-Muslims, men, women, children included. So who is right, both got their
abbastoronto
Feb 14, 2013 03:38pm
NFP can be forgiven for not having lived the early days of Pakistan. I never saw Fatima Jinnah, Raana Liaquat, or other early female greats with head uncovered. The Rawalpindi childhood and then in Lahore saw Dupatta and Burqa common in middle class, my family included. Correct me if I am wrong, 1960s TV news readers covered their head. When I returned in 1976 after 8 years absence I found a changed Pakisatan. The 1970s had done something - my siblings's excessive
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 02:50pm
Valentine's Day is not an attack on moral values. Just the opposite in fact. Instead of beating his wife it might be nice to remember her with sweets and flowers every Valentine's Day and reaffirm his love for his wife. It is not just a day for lovers.
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 02:53pm
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, might be happy. H.L.Mencken
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 02:55pm
No such problem exists in Bangladesh.
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 03:01pm
In America Valentine's Day is also for husbands and wives. The husbands give the wives gifts and take them out of the kitchens for dinner at a restaurant. Why the focus on sin? Why is it another person's main occupation to remind us we are sinners?
Asif
Feb 14, 2013 05:19pm
I think when he said "in my view woman should not be on TV to begin with" was the final straw. I don't remember that time sindh Governor name (probably Jihandad khan), his wife also took part in protesting his statement outside the PTV building in Karachi. After that I think he was gone for a long time but came back as expected with more twisted mind.
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 01:16am
People who profess abiding to religious conformance, themselves do not follow it. The Grand Mufti of Kashmir, who issued a fatwa against the Kashmiri Girl band "Pragaash" singing in public....has a daughter working as a scientist in Abu Dhabi. All these mullahs are hypocrites.
Rao
Feb 15, 2013 01:18am
If you are secular, then you are not a muslim....according to the hypocrite mullahs.
BRR
Feb 14, 2013 03:05pm
It is not a research paper, it is an "opinion" column, and there has been enough hints on where to find extra information. Go do some research yourself.
Omer
Feb 15, 2013 09:45am
wow, amazing comment. in other words, if someone is writing a thesis on 'Pakistan: the failed state', they should simply take cues from Mr. Paracha's article.
AHA
Feb 15, 2013 01:18pm
And definitely not use a computer. Haram......
Nasser
Feb 15, 2013 01:09pm
Sounds equally obnoxious.
ManMade
Feb 14, 2013 08:01pm
When a Hadith contradicts the Quran than it is false and to be rejected.
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 03:22pm
Why are men afraid of short skirts and bare legs? It is just cultural. In my opinion there is paradise, but Hell does not exist. God will not punish bad people on our behalf. We need to make law and order work. Old scores won't be settled in a future time. That would not be paradise - that would be this Earth. Grudges will not exist. That is paradise. Murdering school girls is fine, but looking at their legs is haram?
TrueLove
Feb 14, 2013 06:46pm
Gems, pearls, gold and diamonds are always protected and kept safe. Dirt and stones are scattered on the foot path. A single Muslim girl is more precious than all the gold and gem stones in the world.
Riza
Feb 14, 2013 11:56pm
Do you think that without getting rid of Mullah mindset (that feeds and cultivates ignorance and extremism), we will ever set foot on the path to real prosperity? So I don't think this discussion is waste of time; instead it is the most important decision for our nation to make; now or never!
Subhani
Feb 14, 2013 11:51pm
True! our issues are abject poverty, lack of education, clean water & basic health care, womens' rights & safety. What kills me is the lack of response of these very mullahs, in the face of murder of the innocent by Talibaan, unjustified violence committed against minorities, atrocities committed aginst women by the men in their own families including their husbands or in-laws. What does Islam say about violence committed against the innocent & undefended?
Zeeshan Hafeez
Feb 14, 2013 05:34pm
'Dr Israr and his followers should move to Saudi Arabia or any other country that will take them' from same token people like you and NFP should move in some western country.
ComparativeReligionStudent
Feb 14, 2013 08:09pm
Not "reduce vision" but men are to "lower their gaze". This is hijab for men. The modesty clause for women comes in a later verse. Hijab in Arabic means a limitation or barrier. When translated as a piece of cloth it becomes poor translation and used for the exploiation of ignorant women, fool them and make them feel guilty and easy to control.
caz
Feb 14, 2013 11:46pm
These islamic retards have nothing to offer the world except bigotry. If they are so bothered about western influences why are they driving around in Sports Utility Vehicles which are a western invention also. They should drive around in donkey carts which is the product of their civilization.
Faisal Rehman
Feb 14, 2013 08:15pm
Correction of Typo:) 3. If you really find someone that you want in your life "THEN" straightaway send your parents and marry him/her. Meeting na-mehrum talking, laughing, texting "MAKES" no sense and "IT" goes no where. 4. Hijab means protection "BOTH FOR WOMEN AND MEN". "FOR MEN", hijab is keeping haya in their eyes and "NOT" nuding girls by their strange stares. As Banu Qudsiya said that: you don
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 02:04pm
There are many forms of coercion. The more insidious they are, the harder they are to spot. It is a serious error to assume that if there is no 'danda', there is no coercion. There are many ways of forcing people to change their behavior through fear and intimidation, even an implied threat is very effective if the consequences are grave enough for the target. Psychological bullying works. All the fundos know that.
sumit
Feb 14, 2013 08:21pm
SorryForYou: And you know this - how? In the large marathons of the world people are segregated only according to their projected time for finishing, not by gender. Thus the people expected to come in at 2:10 or lower (males expected to win) are the very front, but they are followed by those who are expected to come in at 2:30 (females expected to win). Following these people it is a completely mixed crowd. I should know - my daughter's best marathon time (Phoenix, Arizona) is 3:30, and when she started she was surrounded by a completely mixed crowd.
Kdspirited
Feb 14, 2013 04:12pm
There is nothing noble about forcing people to do something or not do something. Live and let live.
Kashif
Feb 14, 2013 02:19pm
He was not against working women.. instead he called for segregation at the workplace and insisted that primary education and womens health should be completely handled by women.
Stranger
Feb 14, 2013 02:15pm
The good doctor should be ashamed of himself using such language about a woman . Does his religion allow that ?
baig
Feb 14, 2013 02:06pm
illogical.............................n liberaliy extremists
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 02:09pm
Not using violence should be a normal expectation from everyone in a civilized society. It should not be considered an extraordinary generosity and no one should have to be thanked for it. Taliban mentality seems to have warped that expectation sadly.
LOL
Feb 14, 2013 07:59pm
Radical enough to dance naked in the streets...
abbastoronto
Feb 14, 2013 07:49pm
Should every day not be Valentine day for Believers. Here in the West, this day (like others, Xmas) are heavily commercialized. What crack me most is that Pakistan has started celebrating "Mother's day" too. Gee, should I forget about my mother the remaining 364 days of the year?
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 03:03pm
"...If certain men or women want to associate freedom with the amount of clothes they are expected to wear..." This has something to do with Valentine's Day?
SM
Feb 14, 2013 04:32pm
Mr, go do some research! There is NO obligation in Islam for women to wear the hijab! Do NOT listen to your Mullah, read something by yourself for once! This present day hijab is the arab culture, and has nothing to do with Islam.
Arzoo
Feb 14, 2013 11:42pm
Your statement is not based on fact. And is untrue. The truth is opposite of what you state, easy to check for it in the Quran. And just think...
Zafar Malik
Feb 14, 2013 07:48pm
Very true, 97 percent of rural women of entire subcontinent work. Burqa and pardah were tools invented by feudal class in subcontinent. They needed pardah for women to controll the hundreds of wives in their harms. Unfortunately very few people know history of culture and sociology in Pakistan and that is why they confuse feudal and tribal traditions with Islam.
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 03:30pm
I see from the photo above women charged the police lines.
Faisal Rehman
Feb 14, 2013 07:47pm
Contrary, I am handsome. And people like you get tired by not getting the enlightenment from me. :D
Ali
Feb 14, 2013 07:39pm
Nadeem Shab, on cultural side, the best classical TV dramas were produced in Zia's time. I live in Canada and I know the value of our religion and culture. Please don't make fun with these values. I saw you profile photo, what's a style, smoking cigar. This kind of style is discouraged here. I don't know why did you pick this photo.
Rahim
Feb 14, 2013 07:18pm
Well written, very informative. I always take time to read NFPs articles.
Beekeeping for Beginners
Feb 14, 2013 07:25pm
Do you really like honey? Did you know that it's quite simple to keep bees and create your own honey? In this tutorial, I'll take a look at the various steps required to begin your very own beekeeping hobby or business for either fun or profit, perhaps even both.
Rahim
Feb 14, 2013 07:26pm
We see what what we are programmed to see. Mixing Religion and State never proved long term solutions. We read about the great Islamic Empires in Baghdad, Spain, Egypt, Arabia,Turkey but all the details about manipulation of religion by the state are left out since they are the dark secrets.
Faraz
Feb 15, 2013 09:57am
Rightly said.
abbastoronto
Feb 14, 2013 07:37pm
Politics makes strange bedfellows. It is ironic that first the secular Muslims Jinnah, Liaquat, Iqbal laid the foundation of a Republic for Muslims (though Rights for all), and that it was the godless Socialists who seeded Kaliphatization in Pakistan. The 1973 Constitution promoted sectarianism galore, becoming holier than our dear Prophet AS who never declared the openly munafiq Abd-Allah ibn Ubayy as a non-Muslim. Our Prophet AS did not approve Ubayy
Zalmai
Feb 14, 2013 07:11pm
Religious clerics from the sub continent should question the very foundation of their colonial legacy if they had any conviction and not cherry pick mundane issues. The Mullah's psyche is forever wounded by the supremacy of the West, which has rendered his every thought irrational and reactionary devoid of enlightenment and reason.
Ahsan
Feb 14, 2013 07:09pm
nicely written article
Natasha M.
Feb 14, 2013 07:07pm
Shiaas are a brave people. Pakistan, Iran, Turkey can be a great regional power. Time to think like Muslims and not be distracted by agent-provocateurs
Mehboob
Feb 14, 2013 07:08pm
Life is a blessing and to safeguard it is the duty of all mankind. Become a true human in action before preaching humanity to others. Respecting each other will help in intelectual development whereas hate & violence towards Allah's creation will result in damnation.
zuhair
Feb 15, 2013 10:09am
The article was great written, but I did not understand the idea of the writer .
Sam mathur
Feb 14, 2013 06:58pm
Hats off to your sense of humor!
Rz
Feb 14, 2013 06:52pm
Why don't they put fatwa on killings instead of wasting time and money on something which has lessser value than the life of a Pakistani. May Allah show them the right path.
BusinessFacts
Feb 14, 2013 06:51pm
Actually NFP is built up by the moderator. It is not how good your comment is but the author of the article and if you are from India...that helps. Some names and authors are discouraged feed back from the readers in case they become popular, in demand and more expensive.
Zafar Malik
Feb 14, 2013 03:23pm
How important it is to keep Church and State separate is the most important lesson Europe leaned after hundreds of years of turmoil and anarchy caused by the mixing the two. Pakistan does not have to reinvent the wheel. Just learn from their experience. Khilafat lasted only for about 25 years in Medina and three out of four caliphs were assassinated!. I don't understand what model of caliphate Dr. Israr and others like him are glorifying? lets be honest first.
PPP Okay
Feb 14, 2013 06:31pm
True. His father was fired from his political job given by Bhutto, and terminated by Zia. Left that permanent mark on him.
EveryOne
Feb 14, 2013 06:41pm
Secular Muslims?
Correction
Feb 14, 2013 06:38pm
No one beating anyone in Pakistan for that. Only a billboard was put up.
PrrP
Feb 14, 2013 06:39pm
Wrong on all counts.
SorryForYou
Feb 14, 2013 06:32pm
Your statement is not based on facts.
SorryForYou
Feb 14, 2013 06:36pm
Marathons are always segregated every where including olymapics, as are games, sports, athletic...for simple physiological reasons.
rana1
Feb 14, 2013 06:31pm
did at any time these muslim organisations speak against BASANT festivals?am sure half of those against valentine did and do celebrate Basant.
Syed
Feb 14, 2013 06:21pm
You need to correct yourself.. these organizations have arranged rallies for drones attacks several times...!! so dont blame n condemn anyone id your dont knw the truth...!!
BNS
Feb 14, 2013 11:36pm
NFP, from your description of events with respect to your age, it appears that I am in the same age group and share your views in this and earlier articles about the damage ZUH regime did to our moderate country and its social life. Actually with every sentence it appears you are speaking for me. Somehow I have excatly same sentiments as yourself. When you are in Toronto it will be good if I can host. If you are interested to hook up please provide your personal telephone and email.
Imraan Mehmood
Feb 14, 2013 04:25pm
Sometimes I wonder if the moderator is paid by NFP for not posting my comments
Olivia Mukhopadhyay
Feb 15, 2013 07:58am
Hi Sumit,another Indian Bengali here.First of all a lot of "hindi" newspapers and people who belong to U.P use the words "haya" and "behaya" and they mean the same thing as "sharam" and "besharam".Secondly when we study the evolution of Bengali language we see that a lot of Arabi and Farsi words did get included over the years and some of it can be traced back to teh rule of teh Delhi Caliphate when Subadars of Bengal were Farsi speaking people and they eventually became patrons of Bengali language.Also Urdu itself is "supposed" to be a mixture of Prakrit(Sanskrit and other local languages) and Farsi and seems to have been taken up over the years of Mughal rule.
D'oh!
Feb 14, 2013 03:30pm
I fully agree. Computers should only be used for camel porn.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 06:18pm
Yet he obviously did. But don't let mere facts bother you. :)
Khalid
Feb 14, 2013 03:29pm
Dr Israr and his followers should move to Saudi Arabia or any other country that will take them. Who gave them the authority to dictate to the whole nation how we should live our lives. People like him and his followers are not needed in Pakistan. We have our own culture and traditions that we MUST keep.
Pyro-Teck
Feb 14, 2013 06:20pm
Pakistani women have always worked with their menfolk. About 40% in the cities, and 97% in villages and rural areas. Always have.
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 03:28pm
Honest Farmer, Wish I could believe you, but I know better.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 06:19pm
You don't want to know. :)
WestWoodOne
Feb 14, 2013 06:15pm
Because the direction of society goes the way women go. Women are the decision makers of mankind. They do it subtly and covertly in a civilized society...if they get depraved than family and society disintegrates as is now happening in the west.
ghaleezguftar
Feb 14, 2013 06:14pm
Ziaul Haq has left an unerasable mark on the author!
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 03:32pm
The only thing being imposed on people is commercialism.
ethicalman
Feb 14, 2013 03:59pm
"Dr. Israr said the bowlers
FXZ-123
Feb 14, 2013 05:50pm
Thank you for setting the record straight.
Ali Arslan Syed
Feb 15, 2013 08:02am
Dear Sumit: Persian is the language of Mughal Court. Indian society was always been a melting pot of different cultures. Mughal empire is extended up to Bengal, and Hyderabad (AP), Arab sailors travel to Java and Sumatra in medieval ages long before any Europeans have their presence in the Indian Ocean. So, may be the word 'Haya'' reach bengal by any these routes. Many words we speak in Urdu/Hindi are derived from Persian, Turkish, Arabic. Sanskrit contains words that have Greek origin, that can be easily understood because of the Conquest of western India by Alexander and later the formation of Greek colonies in Western India.
Imraan Mehmood
Feb 14, 2013 04:20pm
I appreciate Noman
Vijay
Feb 15, 2013 08:03am
Pakistan has had only Moderate and conservative leaders it in its history has never had liberal leader. Example of conservative leaders that I know is:- Nawaz sharif Zia ul haq Examples of moderate leaders:- Ayub Khan. Asif Ali Zardari. Parvez Musharaf Liberal leader:- I think Pakistan is yet to have
AHA
Feb 15, 2013 01:09pm
Anything from the Holy texts is only as good as its interpretation. I think one need to apply common sense and reason to determine whether something is right or wrong. Nothing else can work.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 03:48pm
Envied him probably but couldnt admit it to himself :)
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 03:49pm
Agreed.
mawish
Feb 14, 2013 03:49pm
but atleast he's trying. good effort. i hope people dont vote for Imran. This country needs another 25 year rule of zardari, nawaz and altaf for it to progress. afterall, they have done so much for the country. it will be unjust not to re-elect zardari and co for another 25 years.
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 03:47pm
Don't be so certain God takes such a personal interest in us.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 03:45pm
Right. So in your opinion is there any age where you consider people grown up enough to take another person out to dinner - 'without their parents' consent'?
Tariq
Feb 14, 2013 03:45pm
A happy soul is a hard working soul - we as a nation are depressed by the thoughts' of the mullah's!
Mohammad Assad
Feb 14, 2013 09:07am
Regardless of how evil Dr Israr was and how bad TI as an organization is...at least they are not resorting to spreading their message with the 'danda'. And I commend them for that.
AHA
Feb 14, 2013 03:44pm
Excellent comment.
Cyrus Howell
Feb 14, 2013 03:45pm
"...how will you prevent the millions of Google search hits for pornographic material originating from Pakistan (and India especially)."
Faryal
Feb 14, 2013 09:15am
"Tell the believing men to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what they do."- Surah Nur: 30 The Messenger of God Muhammad (may peace be upon him) said to his cousin Ali ibn Abi Talib: "O Ali, do not follow a glance * with another, for you will be forgiven for the first, but not for the second." [The above Hadith was reported by al-Tirmidhi, 2701; see Saheeh al-Jaami
PPP Okay
Feb 14, 2013 06:09pm
He is doing his best...any which way he can. Pathetic.
Rayhan
Feb 14, 2013 09:17am
The basic principle of an intelligent discussion is, to foucs on what is being said, and not on who is saying it. But I guess in your desperation to have the Valentine's day being made legit and to have the ideology imposed on anyone and everyone you are doing the same thing that you are accusing Dr. Israr of.
Dr Khan
Feb 14, 2013 09:27am
Pakistani society needs true scholars like Javed Ahmad Ghamdi NOT pseudo-scholars like Dr Israr.
ashish
Feb 14, 2013 09:18am
master piece once again.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 06:04pm
He didn't pay for this one just to mess you up - Moderator.
@Bakhat_Nasr
Feb 14, 2013 09:25am
Okay,let s celeberate the only ''Haya Day'' in Pakistan. The else 364 days keep coming with BayHayai Days.
Rabia Naaz Ali
Feb 14, 2013 09:31am
I've heard how women were bolder during Zia's time and gave the mullahas a real run around. That pic of women burning their dupattas is radical! Fantastic piece once again, NFP.
The Saint
Feb 14, 2013 09:32am
I think NFP is secretly in love with Imran Khan.
sajeel
Feb 14, 2013 09:37am
Dr. Israr ahemd wil never resort to foul language.
yawar
Feb 14, 2013 09:38am
And I think you're Dr. Israr's ghost.
Capt C M Khan
Feb 14, 2013 09:38am
Over 60% of Pakistan's population is rural, living in villages, they only know Eid/ Bukkar Eid etc. Now with the TV /internet easily accessible they will know about VALENTINE....these religious organisations will make them study about SAINT VALENTINE by the Billboards/protests etc. Now they will find some excitement in their daily BORING Lives I guess.
MSH
Feb 14, 2013 09:40am
Does the author even know the origins of this day? I doubt it. How about a local Laila Majnoo day instead. Will these bkind epigones of the west celebrate it with the same enthusiasm, I wonder.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 06:03pm
I am sorry. I meant they should :).
Vikram
Feb 14, 2013 06:06pm
Can you please elaborate what is your culture?
Researcher
Feb 14, 2013 09:41am
Sir what you have put on is really a result of misleading dossier. I'm one of de member of TI and read blog of Tazeen and Jahanzaib also. But de point is why are you taking this whole issue together. Why every journalist always has an aye on some negative approach rather than other. I'm not here to justify Dr. Israr or his TI neither wants to object you but there is a need to broaden your horizon. (Personally I really do not care what billboard they have put up. If billboards with models donning skirts/bare legs can be put up and everyone is expected to stay shut and not say a word in the name of tolerance and to show that we aint extremist, then why can we not tolerate this? Why this liberal extremism?) PS: bracketed comment is from Waleed Shah which I've copied.
Khalid
Feb 15, 2013 11:46am
Dear Raza, I was referring to the discussion whether we should celebrate Valentine's day or not. I agree with you about the mullah mindset though. I wish we could get rid of all of them. Religion is between the individual and his God. Do we really need religious police to tell us how we shold be living?. I certainly don't want that. I won't be surprised if these people start telling us that we can not be clean shaven or the length or shape of our beard is not to their linking.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 06:02pm
That's not what the mothers, sisters and wives were thinking of before, but after this comment.... :)
Jamal
Feb 14, 2013 09:46am
SUPER DESCRIPTION
yawar
Feb 14, 2013 09:47am
You're sounding all over the place. The point of the piece was not about TI not having the right to put those billboards up. It is about that organization's hypocrisy. How come TI never puts up billboards like 'say no to rape,' or 'say no to acid attacks' or 'say no to extremism?'
YB
Feb 14, 2013 09:48am
Oh, you mean the laila majnoo types found in places like the Lal Masjid? Also, do you even know the source of the creation of the computer you are using?
Azmul
Feb 15, 2013 11:47am
You don't get it actually. There is a huge world outside Quran and Hadith. What NFP does is to open those gates and let us know the inside story of those events which we consider from islamic perspective. There has always been a political drive and interest of a few people behind what we consider as traditions held since the inception of Pakistan. Don't get him wrong, I believe he is among the very few who actually tell us the true history of Pakistan. We have been fed wrong information since childhood and everything under cover of religion even when it isn't relevant!
Researcher
Feb 14, 2013 09:54am
You know what Dr. Israr is totally banned from Pakistan just in case if you don't know this.. and if you talking about say no to rape this one is attempted after these foul days.. You've noticed this is because these thing has been brought to you by some journalist otherwise you have no idea what is going around.
yawar
Feb 14, 2013 09:59am
Banned from Pakistan? Where? And if he is really banned then shouldn't billboards being put up by his organization be banned as well? By the way, you're still all over the place, friend.
Farhan
Feb 14, 2013 10:04am
I don't have Haya Day today, I don't have Valentines day today. 14 Feb is ordinary day for me. I have no extreme for the day and don't want to waste my time to argue in favor or against any liberal or religious extremist. So plz let the 14 Feb' 14 Feb not a "PARTICULAR" day.
Ab
Feb 14, 2013 10:04am
cheebu
Feb 14, 2013 10:05am
your second part is just ridiculous... your saying as if they put up boards about say "yes" to acid attacks.. get over this childish arguments. The article was clearly anti-Dr Israr, Zia and Religious organisations..
Researcher
Feb 14, 2013 10:05am
lol you dint catch my drift.. he was banned and have no permission to on air their lectures on any channel. have you seen ever in de era of Musharraf and before? Its only peace Tv which was also subjected to ban after this in Pakistan.
Talha
Feb 14, 2013 10:10am
Stop wasting your time going through websites and go back to work. And also, Khan retired from cricket. So give cricket and groins a break.
Talha
Feb 14, 2013 10:10am
Yes, let's not have a Kashmir Day as well. Let Feb 5 be a normal day.
Sameer Qureshi
Feb 14, 2013 10:12am
I have been listening to Most of Dr. Israr's lectures and never i mean never have i come across something of the sort which Mr. NFP has written about.
Ikram
Feb 14, 2013 05:58pm
This is what the article was meant for
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 05:59pm
Have you felt that people often find you tiresome? They should?
ZSS
Feb 14, 2013 05:59pm
Why don't you and your kind move?
Noman
Feb 14, 2013 10:15am
Dr. Israr detested Imran Khan. I remember we were shocked when he talked about Imran that way. That totally put me off Israr.
Mashiqkhan
Feb 14, 2013 10:16am
What about Taj Mehal? Symbol of love.
Joe
Feb 14, 2013 10:50pm
NFP gives the straight story, letting characters' oddities and ironies rise to the top. Religious bigots are everywhere around the world -- Pakistan doesn't have them all, but perhaps has the most interesting ones. Joe .
SR Khan
Feb 14, 2013 10:52pm
This is a really appreciable piece of writing which traces an issue historically. The author has shown depth of understanding and analysis. well done, please keep it up
Ab
Feb 14, 2013 10:21am
spending few minutes on reading an article is not so much waste as watching whole day match or test cricket...
Ali
Feb 14, 2013 10:23am
Personally it makes me proud to see they our mothers n sisters are covered up, like the generations before, but If certain men or women want to associate freedom with the amount of clothes they are expected to wear, fails to justify the cause of the article, It undoubtedly is a biased sentiment. Known fact that humans developed apparels to cover their bodies.. why ever did any woman ever agree to that in the first place, one needs to ponder subjectively to realize the actual purpose of modesty expected in our culture & society on all levels.We need to be concious in making that decision for our selves as educated men & women, To choose deliberately knowing both ideologies, even if Islam or what scholars did or say is left aside for the sake of the discussion. As those who are confused about their creed, ethnicity and their nation need to be more objective towards understanding the big picture, than emphasize scrutiny over petty issues such as a duppata..
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 06:27pm
Ummm why are you in Canada Mohammad? The land of the infidels. Why dont you come live here so that we don't "loose" our identity.
Kashif
Feb 14, 2013 03:52pm
You don't get the point.. Its about celebrating this day on the scale that we do.. Watch all the channels going nuts.. hotels and restaurants offering special dinners to couples only.. Corporates sponsoring for all this..!
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 03:52pm
All those antis sound good to me.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 05:57pm
They give a bright green glow under ultraviolet light!!
Q&A
Feb 14, 2013 05:56pm
Cyber crime and porno searches are highest in India; Mumbai No1, Delhi No2. Next is the East Asia. Pakistan is no where near that.
Zalim Singh
Feb 14, 2013 10:29am
excellent article.
peace
Feb 14, 2013 10:33am
That's what is the need of hour, radical women, who would break all the shackles that men has created around them. You are our guide in 21st century, unfortunately if not before.
peace
Feb 14, 2013 10:33am
hahahaha! this is good one! bravo.
Left is Right
Feb 14, 2013 10:35am
ofcourse the article is clearly anti-Dr Israr, Zia and Religious organisations.......and thats is why I love NFP !!!
G.A.
Feb 14, 2013 05:56pm
You will never find these religious organizations putting up billboards against suicide bombings, illiteracy, hunger or poverty. They wait a year round to attack Halloween and Valentines Day. Such is their mindset that they will find obscenity in anything and everything. It's a sickness!
Left is Right
Feb 14, 2013 10:37am
loved your comment
Hassan
Feb 15, 2013 11:30am
Well said Nauman. Just comparing everything with 70s or 80s as if we had a GOLDEN liberal era before that is absurd. While totally ignoring our actual Golden era i.e. the life of Prophet SAW and his companions (socially speaking so don't mix with tech. advancements etc.)
Islmail
Feb 14, 2013 10:47am
Before it was Israr Ahmed, now its Zakir Naik and Aamir Liaquat Hussain. Pakistan is hijacked by narrow minded baffons that are destroying the very core of our society.
Asma Ahmad
Feb 14, 2013 10:47am
ok srsly...y say no to anything as such? jux ignore the fact that people mark this day as the 'day of love'! and srsly if this is the day of love and this is the day every couple goes on dates than wutre they doing all the other days around? :P
ummemuhammed
Feb 14, 2013 10:28pm
A woman's prime duty is to raise physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually healthy human beings (her children) while the husband works to put together the resources to do so. The Western ideology of getting them both in offices is a cruelty to children which people do not or do not want to understand. Raising children is as intelligent a job as any other, but we play it down due to our ignorance. I hope that is what you mean by women taking their rightful place...Of course, my managing time, they can do other stuff which interests them, but the prime duty should not be ignored. What's the big deal about something as trivial as the Valentine? What's the big deal about something as trivial as a fly in your food? Huh...relax...
Faraz
Feb 15, 2013 09:52am
I enjoyed this article just as I enjoy Dr. Israr's sermons.
Ali
Feb 14, 2013 10:51am
Sounds fine to me!
Mohammad
Feb 14, 2013 05:55pm
We need to say no to this event. It is not pakistani nor islamic culture. If we will continue to move like this, we will loose our identity as Pakistani and as Muslim. Whatever is going on in the West is not means to become a developed Nation. Mohammad Canada
Imraan Mehmood
Feb 14, 2013 10:58am
Dr. Israr is a very respected scholar, well educated in all disciplines, His lectures are always Jam-Packed with Modernists, and I am of the opinion that Dr. Israr deserves all the respect he is receiving from the educated public.
Noman
Feb 14, 2013 10:59am
Errm ... Dr. Israr died in 2010.
MSH
Feb 14, 2013 11:02am
Duh, do you ?" Mechanical analog computing devices appeared in the medieval Islamic world. Examples of devices from this period include the equatorium by Arzachel,[5] the mechanical geared astrolabe by Ab? Rayh?n al-B?r?n?,[6] and the torquetum by Jabir ibn Aflah.[7] Muslim engineers built a number of automata, including some musical automata that could be 'programmed' to play different musical patterns. These devices were developed by the Ban? M?s? brothers[8] and Al-Jazari[9] Muslim mathematicians also made important advances in cryptography, such as the development of cryptanalysis and frequency analysis by Alkindus.[10]" Wikipedia . I guess a bit much for all you momes to digest, so go ahead and live in your simple world of delusion.
Majaz Amin
Feb 14, 2013 11:04am
They dont like people to be happy!!!
SpyVsSpy
Feb 14, 2013 06:26pm
Beating your wife? I thought you people murder them...at least thats what the western media reports.Check it out. Spousal and domestic abuse is the highest crime in the west. Pointing a finger at others is just to divert attention from it, except that all the other fingers are pointing at you.
Bushra Aziz
Feb 14, 2013 10:21pm
MUllas ke do hi ilaj hai Daron
Kashif
Feb 14, 2013 05:53pm
Islam is better than "Kufr" is better than "Munafiqat". Our nation is Munafiq not Islamic. We only take name of Islam implementing nothing of it.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 05:54pm
By the 'best of creations' I hope you are not referring to humans!
Khalid
Feb 14, 2013 05:54pm
I dont mean any disrespect to anyone but rather than wasting our time on this, and almost irrelevant topic, if we as a nation, spent the same amount of time in educating our children, building schools and hospitals and encouraging our sisters, wives and mothers to take their rightful place in building of our country, we will be different nation to what we have become. I am in London and you wouldn't know that today is any different than any other day of the year. I don't really understand what the fuss is all about. Is celebrating / not celebrating Valentine's day is the biggest problem we are facing today in Pakistan?.
MSH
Feb 14, 2013 11:15am
Oh another disappointing news for you cerebrally handicapped poltroons, my computer was created by a Syrian.
Paratha
Feb 14, 2013 05:51pm
If the idea of this article by cherry picking events and criticizing a person is to glorify some westerns culture or way of life and suggesting there are no limits or segregation based on gender think again the best example separate lavatories based on gender. Not hard to digest this then whats wrong with the idea of segregated marathon for that matter and especially in this part of the world.
Imraan Mehmood
Feb 14, 2013 11:19am
but he is still remembered with respect by the Peace loving Pakistani Nation
Naseer
Feb 14, 2013 04:16pm
Will they also ignore us? More likely they will try to impose their belief on everyone and someone argues or differs, they will kill him.
honest farmer
Feb 14, 2013 11:24am
that's not right sailor we farmers have more fun in our fields then you ever had in ports around the world on your ocean going trips.
APakistani
Feb 14, 2013 10:17pm
Well said Waft. What is that saying, jiss plate main khana ussee main.... BTW, he is so proud to be in Canada that he has that as part of his signature :o).
Right To Lose
Feb 14, 2013 11:30am
And if they did that, you will say now why don't they put up banners like "say no to stealing", "say no to abusing", "say no to overtaking".. And then brand them as hyporcites failing to realize your own hypocrisy and extermism.
APakistani
Feb 14, 2013 10:10pm
Marathons are not segregated everywhere. In all the big marathons (NY, Boston, Dublin ...) both males and females run together. They are only timed separately. Again folks, like Aristotle said, the only difference between smart and not-so smart nations, the priorities they give to their problems. So, as someone said above, we are giving priority to the wrong problem. BTW, the example of separate lavatories (i thought no one uses this word anymore :o)) doesnt apply here, no one takes off all the clothes during a marathon :o). NFP, thanks for writing this article and showing some backbone. I am fan sir!
AHA
Feb 14, 2013 11:38am
Think of all the restrictions on petty matters in Islam. Think of the punishments for irrelevant and petty issues. Thinks of the so many different reasons, some very innocent, for which you will burn in hell. Now think of the most dominant potential characteristics of the being who would impart such cruelty on His subjects for all those various
LOL
Feb 14, 2013 06:04pm
Actually 10% Shariah Law..
rana1
Feb 14, 2013 05:45pm
in india the BJP supporters hold the same view as many of our people do.They were shown on TV beating up men and women who were shopping valentine gifts.
BEA
Feb 14, 2013 11:43am
is this man not dead so foul language is out of the question.
AHA
Feb 14, 2013 11:44am
Wrapping up the whole matter in a 'chader' is taking a very narrow view of what freedom is really about. People can be 'very fully' clothed yet can have some decent fun in full modesty.
AHA
Feb 14, 2013 11:45am
That is because you are perhaps already a 'believer'.
BEA
Feb 14, 2013 11:45am
well said.
Waft
Feb 14, 2013 05:45pm
Most of that influence has been destructive as Muslim history and present circumstances will attest to..
AHA
Feb 14, 2013 11:47am
The most advanced nations also have the most fun... And they also work the hardest. Ever wondered why???
AHA
Feb 14, 2013 11:52am
I think Pakistan needs scholars like NFP. Real ideas for the real world.
Farhan
Feb 14, 2013 11:56am
Can we please get links to the sources?
Naeem Ahmad (@cybegeek)
Feb 14, 2013 12:00pm
As always a well researched piece by Nadeem Paracha. The issue at stake here is not the values or the modesty but the right to decide. Who is anyone or the state to decide moral values or modes of conduct or whose faith is the real faith. Why not lets just let God decide. While greater issues plague the nation wasting resources on these trivial persuits has become a popular endeavour. If we want to preserve our islamic values, banning anything wont help, the right way would be to increase awarness and educate the youth with proper moral values and let them decide for them selves.
Nasser
Feb 14, 2013 12:01pm
What, by Alawite Shites! Tanzeem-e-Islami will be very cross with you.
Nasser
Feb 14, 2013 12:15pm
http://archives.dawn.com/archives/43760 The above link not only talks about dr. Isrars aversion to cricket but against work inning women as well.
Naseer
Feb 14, 2013 04:13pm
@ AHA - Very true indeed. Instead of creating love for Allah, these so called religious leaders create only fear. Allah asks us to always say Allah the most beneficent the merciful. Allah says that I love you more than your own parents.
Nasser
Feb 14, 2013 12:17pm
http://archives.dawn.com/archives/43760 dr. Isrars was not only averse to cricket but against working women as well.
AHA
Feb 14, 2013 12:19pm
Working women is a universal Islamic problem not unique to Dr. Israr.
Beg
Feb 14, 2013 09:23pm
And then reality of death strike and Allah ask what did you do -AHA
ghazi
Feb 14, 2013 09:20pm
Dr Fatima Jinnah and Rana Liaquat were always considered too fast for their times. Infact Jinnah was ridiculed for 'shamelessly parading his sister in public". It was considered unislamic. These were flag bearers of their time. In the 70s. women were aggressively competing with men in all walks of life. Yes one can ask them to be modest. I can ask you to go to Canada and stay indoors and not participate in the stride of life. The dupatta culture came to pakistan because of insecurity . Men saw women as objects and 'things' and not human anymore. Please donot judge the Pakistani women. In Canada you had a choice. In Zia's Pakistan women didnt have a choice. BE mindfull of that before you comment .
In the Know...
Feb 14, 2013 12:25pm
@Islmail: When was dating a core part of our society? I am all for men and women dating openly i.e. with the full knowledge of their parents. What I am completely against is the "dating" in practice in Pakistan, where girls and boys date without the knowledge of their parents. While we may all hate how the mullahs have hijacked our religion, we must always be aware of the restrictions that do exist in our religion. Ridiculing them is no solution. I am not shy to acknowledge that those things I do that are clearly warned against in Islam, I do so with full knowledge of the fact. I do not attempt to simply write off these restrictions as misinterpretation of our religion by the mullahs. What these billboards are doing are representing a section of the society that really, truly believes this to be against their reading of our religion. If you don't like them, ignore them. As they tend to ignore the thousands of advertisements for everything from chocolate to flowers to perfume that propagate the concept of Valentine's Day. Lastly, the so-called liberals of our society always display the least amount of tolerance for any other line of thought. Imagine that an inconsequential organization such as this "tanzeem" bothers an ace-liberal like NFP so much that he had to write about it in Dawn.
aabdul
Feb 14, 2013 04:04pm
Israr's wishes of a caliphate may actually come true if PTI comes to power. Many young educated Pakistanis are demanding for a complete Islamic state and Sharia law.
Javed
Feb 14, 2013 04:04pm
If you click on the web address below, you will be able to access Google's Trends websites, which categorizes what the world-at-large is searching for on the web. For example Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan & India are at the very top of the list for those searching on topics related to 'sex'. Dive deeper and you can also see from which cities by country the most searches are coming coming from. So for Pakistan Lahore is #1,followed by Islamabad, Peshawar, Karachi and so on. Whimsical and certainly not scientific.... But insightful nonetheless about what is on people's minds.....!!!!!!! http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=sex
beg
Feb 14, 2013 05:17pm
if the impact of only 25 years chilaphate is so enormous then there must be something in chilaphate.by the way gold mines are few while coal mines are abundant,truth is far less than lies but what will you like to follow truth or lies
Azmul
Feb 14, 2013 12:29pm
NFP doesn't impose anything. He just expresses what he feels correct. Its upto us whether we agree or not. But you have to agree this man talks sense.
Beg
Feb 14, 2013 09:16pm
Go and read what Muslims gave to this world particularly west. Read about muslim scientists, philosophers, writers, saints. It is hard to get out of ignorance, better come out waft
Azmul
Feb 14, 2013 12:34pm
It is quite wierd to see conservative minds speak against Valentine's day. Even what's more appaling is to see them calling it a "Hijab day for Muslims!". If you disagree with any event, just don't participate. Simple as that! Why has our nation taken responsibility to impose their moral values on all others!?
roquefort
Feb 14, 2013 12:40pm
Can never thank enough to be able to live in a free n secular society the idea of the above facts r suffocating.I came to this world armed with a faculty called brain/ reasoning mind n I have used as couldn't be part of these innuendos n refuse to follow scriptures written hundreds of years ago.
Nasir
Feb 14, 2013 09:10pm
Kalam-e-mir bazubaan-e-meerza samjhe......
Wasim
Feb 14, 2013 12:41pm
haha - i think Noman surprised you there.
Capt C M Khan
Feb 14, 2013 12:45pm
@ Farmer.....I am a farmer first and than anything else. I am not talking about the farmers living and enjoying in Lahore, I am talking about the poor farmers living in CHUUKS who cannot even afford bus fare and travel by cycles/tangaas in this age my friend. You will never know how they live because you a CITY FARMER. /
AHA
Feb 14, 2013 12:47pm
I agree with your thoughts on dating, but I cannot agree with the rest. Specially something like this: "If you don
Sagar
Feb 14, 2013 12:48pm
wonderful.. what an article. Events like this and People like Dr Israr are also in India. We are missing someone like NFP and Naseer Hassan in India. Again must say, great article
Beg
Feb 14, 2013 09:08pm
Shame on dawn to keep deleting my comment thats what the liberals are.
ghazi
Feb 14, 2013 09:09pm
What ignorance...... Gems and humans are two different entities. With your logic even men who are as good as Gems should be left indoors. Maybe we can have the whole race stay behind closed doors. Men and Women. You guys forget that its the government's responsibility to protect. Man . Woman And child. People who equate women with gems are sick in the head. Need some serious psychiatric help.
Indian
Feb 14, 2013 05:37pm
When I read article about NFP, I feel hopeful of a liberal Pakistan and good relationships with Pakistan.But at the same time if I hear about LET,JEM masood Azar,hafiz saeed and other conservative people I lose all of my hopes.When I meet a liberal/Secular I become a liberal/Secular when I meet a conservative/communal I become a conservative/communal. When some one gives me flower I give back flower if he shows sword then I will show sword to him to protect myself.
n.qureshi
Feb 14, 2013 01:04pm
dr.israr what else can one expect from a student of maulana maudodi.it is sad that we could not get rid of these people.
Mia
Feb 15, 2013 03:33am
awesome reply
Fahad Siddiqui
Feb 14, 2013 09:00pm
I did enjoy reading the blog it was full of information, I have always enjoyed your work Mr. Paracha, more or less, but regarding the one above, so many words for something so pointless. Not the very wisest of your blogs I have to say.
ghazi
Feb 14, 2013 09:00pm
Zia ( that sick man) left a mark on the whole nation. It will take another generation to erase the stain left by him. While the world was developing a tolerant society, we were going backwards. God left Pakistan/ Afghanistan a long time ago. Probably when Zia ( sick nut) took over we lost our tracking as a nation.
Nasir
Feb 15, 2013 11:57pm
Talking about Akbar Ilahbadi, who kept his job with English sarkar, kept the western lifestyle of the time while glorifying the indian muslim culture, preached about glory of Sheikh o muktub, but sent his kids to school, and "Hamida did learned English (his daughter).
Nasir
Feb 16, 2013 12:01am
Please don't waste your time, and the time you save use it to check who has taken Dr. Israr's spot in his organization/who is giving sermons in his place, surprise, it is his son, as usual couldn't find anybody capable but his son.
zeuskhan
Feb 16, 2013 12:02am
We still are a society open to opinions and that is why NFP is allowed to voice his opinion. A majority of Pakistani population considers duppatta and chaadar as an important part of their culture. It does not matter if these were introduced by Zia or someone else. I and many other fellow Pakistanis would like to see our mothers, sisters, wives covered in duppatta. Just like NFP is allowed to present his opinion, so are the other people who are anti valentine's day and that is the beauty of an open society.
Salman
Feb 16, 2013 12:52am
*NFP
Rameez Hassan
Feb 16, 2013 03:04am
Beautiful Article...
Mohammad Mansoor Ali Ansari
Feb 16, 2013 04:58am
Before elaborating this article to suit your mindset, please read Surrah Al Nisa in Holy Quran
LSD
Feb 16, 2013 05:09am
Because you fail to comprehend it.
Anwer M.
Feb 16, 2013 05:17am
Ha, ha, ha. Good one!
Bushra
Feb 16, 2013 05:25am
Now that is the sign of a failed state where commentators think NFP is a historian and a genius! Sad and pathetic.
Reference
Feb 16, 2013 05:52am
Look arond. Check the archives. They come and go, s will this one.
Logic&Math
Feb 16, 2013 06:03am
Does NOT compute!
SorryForYou
Feb 16, 2013 06:16am
How? By looking at the Olympics. And all athletic, games and sports events. Very large events such as Boston marathon etc are segregated by participant qualification times for obvious logistical reasons where segregation is only by race time, again obvious reasons. Also have never seem a girl box a man. In the US teenage boys and girls were tried, asked to wrestle with 'disastrous' physiological results. For the boys...Ahem..! Enough said.
Saleha Minto
Feb 16, 2013 06:19am
I do wonder though how many of you have taken the trouble of reading the history and the Quran? Nauman is obviously not familiar with the cultural, economic and political history of Pakistan before Zia (ie. before 1975), Hassan has obviously not read the history of Islam and, on a more fraternal note, Azmul has not read the Quran. Gentlemen, please don't take offence ... I say this because I am a liberal who has lived through the 70s the Zia regime and the aftermath. Like it or not but the 70s produced the best music, literature and drama/theater in Pakistan. Those who began in the 70s carried the torch until they vanished in the 90s. The most courage shown by public for their rights was in the 80s. I am there in the second picture in this article and I was not there for a walk in the park. I was there to make my voice heard. This was right in front of Punjab university old campus and luckily that day we were not 'lathi charged' by the police but soon after we were mauled by abaya clad Jamaat-e-Islami females in the leadership of Nisar Fatima. I just ask you to read. Read your history as others wrote it, research your religion as others have researched it and read Quran and its history ... don't listen ... read ... like you read this article and shared your opinion... read on and lets see how your opinions evolve. Peace.
FactFictionOpinion
Feb 16, 2013 06:28am
The author, from reading many of his articles, has no idea of Islam, does not know what makes a Muslim, and mixes up fact, fiction, and opinion in his rendering of history.
Raja P.
Feb 16, 2013 06:43am
He did not say any such thing. Just not understood, and then spun.
Raja P.
Feb 16, 2013 06:47am
No force here. The billboard is simple information. They are also used to sell goods.
Humanist
Feb 16, 2013 06:50am
Any your advocation of hanging them is what...?
Jeff Garett
Feb 16, 2013 07:10am
My suggestion was to impress upon him that one must have read the original scripture before forming opinion or commenting on their practices. Yes, I have read all the significant scriptures, associated literature, commentaries. I have read the Bible very intensely, that is why I chose to became a Muslim. The Noble Qu'ran was the Truth as it opened before me. I was graced, honored, privileged. I have also read the Hindu scriptures...I don't want to offend you, as ordered in the Quran, thus will say no more, not comment on them. Thank you for interest. Enough said. Peace be with you.
Ha, ha, ha.
Feb 16, 2013 07:18am
Your reason is NOT perfect. Allah's is.
CommonSense
Feb 16, 2013 07:24am
Please differentiate between fact and fiction. What people do is not the reference. The reference is in the primary source, the Qur'an, not in someones defective behavior, or what they allege to be true.
PrrP
Feb 16, 2013 07:30am
Ha, ha, ha. Conceit of the self righteous ignoramus.
LOL
Feb 16, 2013 07:35am
Yep. Husband and wife...the neighbours!
RxPrep
Feb 16, 2013 07:38am
I don't think any of those scholars have killed anyone. You seem to be in that mood, though.
Sedlor
Feb 16, 2013 07:40am
For the same reason Dawn has taken up NFP to promote against it.