This blog is part 1 of a four-part series that attempts to understand the enemy within; and why and how our establishment has fed this monster for decades.

See Part 2: Coexistence with the world

See Part 3: Coexistence with India – II


-Illustration by Khuda Bux Abro.
-Illustration by Khuda Bux Abro.

Pakistan’s new army doctrine comes as good news for all who wish us well as a nation. For the first time in 65 years the army has shifted its focus from the eastern border to our internal enemy in the northwest. Let us hope it does not mean hands free for a crackdown on the Baloch, an issue that needs a political solution while harder military measures may result in deeper tragedies. Although, the army spokesman assured our lions and eagles that we shall keep India as our enemy no.1, yet the admission that the enemy within is more dangerous at the moment, may well prove to be a turning point in our history.

But we have to realise that the enemy within is not simply the non-state actors who have declared holy war on Pakistan; it is a special mindset that has created them and will continue to breed them in the future. It is this mindset which was discussed in detail in my book Tahzeebi Nargasiat and in subsequent writings, including my last blog. Facts and events of our history have shown that this mindset of pathological narcissism, of self-righteous self-love breeds a hundred tragedies till the society falls into paranoia and starts hurting itself and everything around it. What our army and government have now decided to fight is a threat not only to Pakistan but to the entire region’s peace. We have to combat that mindset and the forces that promote it, if we wish to survive as a state and society, whatever the amount of effort it may need, however painful the sacrifices it may demand. We cannot afford to fail, because such failure can empower nations of the region to intervene, exposing our land of anarchy to immense bloodshed and misery.

Unfortunately, the enemy within is the product of our obscure ambitions since 1947. It is of critical importance for us to understand why and how our establishment fed this monster for decades. We, the people, must know the truth if we wish to survive and grow.

The dominant classes of Pakistan that demanded separation from the rest of India in 1947 were mainly the same who had ruled India under different Muslim dynasties. They were the landed aristocracy, “pirs” and ulema of different levels. They lost power to the British, but never gave up their claim over India. Some Muslims who served the British as civil servants and the army men also joined to share the ambition for power. Being small in number these groups, even with the support of the entire Muslim population of India could not hope to dominate a huge Indian population in a democratic system. Therefore, they aroused the Muslim masses to support their demand for a separate homeland, appealing to their religious pride and fear of persecution. Congress leaders and a large number of Muslims who chose to live as Indian citizens all exerted each nerve to show our Muslim league leadership that a religious approach to politics in a world of diverse religions and people will initiate disaster but the highly aroused fears of persecution decided our course; our self-image as a special community prevailed.

Faith is one thing while a profession of faith is quite another. Like all ruling elite of medieval ages, our Muslim rulers of India were down-to-earth, worldly men; but they professed Islam only to win the devout support of religious leadership. Religious leaders have also been equally great self-seekers. These two groups of dominant professionals colluded throughout history to rule simpler people with the tool of faith, not only in the Muslim kingdoms of India but everywhere else too. They were magicians and pharaohs in Egypt, Khashtris and Brahmins in India, kings and priests in Christian Europe and Caliph Kings and ulema of fiqh in the Arab Empire. This pattern of power-sharing by the Muslim kings and ulema worked well in India. Shah Waliullah invited Abdali in that same capacity of a down-to-earth, power sharing priest. This same formula created the present day kingdom of Saud where a tribal chief and a holy man struck a deal. Almost a similar deal created Pakistan where Quaid-e-Azam seems to have been just a brilliant lawyer whose job ended soon after the partition.

Independence comes as jubilation to a nation. But in 1947 it came with tragedies of separation and bloodshed to the subcontinent. India overcame many of her problems because its leaders depended not on a religious class but on democracy, where the army accepted its subordinate and supporting role, while politics and diplomacy made the main defense. In Pakistan, medieval concepts dominated instead. We had been perpetually indoctrinated to love the “mujahid” and the maulana. The ulema and religious parties immediately demanded a decisive role. Landed gentry found the ulema and the army as their best protectors. That perhaps explains why no land reform has damaged them to this day.

These two stake holders decided to promote each other as the champions of Islam, fighting the heretics of India as their core duty. The Kashmir problem existed only as a permanent excuse for arousing sentiment; it was never handled with the modern tools of effective diplomacy because a liberal, democratic India always found more friends against our ever deepened religious identity. Only one education was allowed and available to the nation: Fight India with the power of Islam. This brought absolute power to our GHQ and finally served American plans; the soldiers of Islam faithfully fought for America’s global supremacy, opening Pakistan’s doors to international holy warriors.

An army that assumes political power cannot remain a professional fighting force; our army gradually outsourced its fighting jobs in Kashmir and Afghanistan to civilian opportunists who were made dearer to us than our own kith and kin through Islamic sentiment. General Zia encouraged these violent hordes to make money through crime and drugs. That might have exposed them to international buyers with greater rewards than Pakistan could offer. Ambition to rule Pak-Afghania may have motivated them and, unfortunately, these non-state actors are not just a few rebels out there; they have a vast popular backing among our affluent middle classes.

With absolute lack of vision, our political and military leadership created a mindset which has no respect for systems of a modern state. The only authority that appeals to this mindset is the maulana and the mujahid. A very heartbreaking struggle awaits our lines of defense.

To be continued…


The author is a renowned Pakistani intellectual. His urdu books Tehzeebi Nargisyat and Mubaalghe, Mughaalte are widely regarded as the revival of critical thinking and free inquiry in Urdu non-fiction.


The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.

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Comments (335)

February 6, 2013 9:58 pm
Yes. Could I perhaps say: the sooner you return those lands the better? Roger
February 6, 2013 6:14 pm
The article is loaded with hate for Islam,Muslims, that order.
February 5, 2013 1:02 pm
Kashmir issue solution is must for peace. otherwise these are just words about peace and nothing more.
February 6, 2013 10:58 pm
This is probably a very objective and rational take on the India Pak problem that is on since 1947. Well done and hope many more such rational Pakistanis subscribe to the points mentioned.
Shan Sohail
February 5, 2013 5:15 pm
Thank you SAL! I rest my case!
February 5, 2013 1:04 pm
Europe's enlightenment and progress began the monent they rejected their clergy. It was and continues to be a thorn in every nation's neck. Religious texts are guidances for people to study themselves and approach a scholar (not clerics) only when needed.
February 6, 2013 7:08 pm
Have you ever tried reading 'The Hindu' for objective views, rather than 'Times of India', which is openly Right wing nationalist? For your info, Indians get the same negative feeling, if they read newspapers like 'Nation'. Every coin has another side.
February 5, 2013 2:13 pm
Dear Mr. Haider, Do you write like this in Urdu also? If not, please do, as brilliant and thought provoking articles are indeed needed for masses to read.
Nasreen B. Qureshi
February 6, 2013 1:41 pm
Your statement is not fact. The truth is that the actions and words of Ghandi and Nehru resulted in the deaths of 1.3million Muslims in the Punjab. That blood will not be forgotten . This author is simply salting that wound.
February 5, 2013 6:20 pm
India with its "IDOL WORSHIPPERS" will alway be a valid no -1 enemy for the Pakistan. Indians must not harbour any doubts on this account. Once the internal problem is solved by Pakistan . India will be back on Pakistan Radars. Leaders in Pakistan will come and go ; playing the role assigned to them as a peace or war makers. So for the present adminstration it is the Peace pipe which is to be smoked.
hassan Fareed
February 5, 2013 6:22 pm
It ended with note "to be continued" . Guess what ? It will never be continued, since he is already kidnapped by Jihadis.
February 5, 2013 6:23 pm
Mister: Are you trying to show off with your knowledge of Sanskrit , Mister? Listen to what the author has to say than parse the words! You are a distraction here.
February 6, 2013 10:19 pm
And you start with your 'Establishment'! Easy for me to isolate Modi. Can you isolate your 'Establishment'?
February 5, 2013 3:01 pm
Clearly a rewrite, a second edition, for the story of Pakistan. Perhaps one closer tot he truth, albeit one that is very likely to be dismissed as ravings of a western liberal slave.
February 6, 2013 10:05 pm
You were featured in Mr. Haider's article.
Straight Talker
February 5, 2013 6:24 pm
I looked at the title " Co-existence with India " and the first thought came to my mind is " impossible"......
February 6, 2013 9:59 pm
Well said!
February 6, 2013 9:58 pm
You are still living in the old medieval days. You all muslims can join together but still cannot compete against the Indians in the field of education, health, trade, business, Information technology, services, etc.
Abikanile Ngoma
February 5, 2013 3:43 pm
Very articulate article. Every country has a golden age. Can my friends please tell me what Pakistanis consider as their "golden age"? Is it the Mughal period during the reign of Emperor Akbar?
February 6, 2013 2:26 pm
Such articles only increase our hate against the Hindu and the desire to kill them. Their ugly agent man too.
February 6, 2013 5:08 pm
This article is Aman Ki Asha on steroids.
February 5, 2013 2:03 pm
Just WOW. Great analysis and truth. People need to wakeup and listen to Mobarak Haider and his like, may you breed multiply. May your tribe increase.
February 5, 2013 12:26 pm
Think for a moment.If there was peace between India and Pakistan and the trouble between India and China in the 60's did not take place. Pakistan's Zia did not fall for the American dictate to create the problem called the mujaheddin and the subsequent taliban to dabble in Afghanistan, the latter now creating havoc in your country.It is wishful thinking of course but you may not have this Islamic problem and the billions these countries would have saved from arming themselves would have brought a better lifestyle and living conditions for the people.These three countries together would now be a shining example of economic success to the world.Not even America could hold a torch to them.
February 6, 2013 9:43 pm
Kashmiri Sahib: AOA. Intellect was not what it used to be. When I left Pakistan 45 years ago we had a rich tradition of thinking. Today, it has turned to breast-beating, to the obvious delight of our neighbors.
Ram Krishan Sharma
February 6, 2013 9:32 pm
No Indian praises his religion only Pakistanis do.
February 6, 2013 10:16 pm
I have no problem with your comments about "Indians". Please attend to the other issues (i.e. the referred propaganda) you have identified, and the rest of it will take care of itself. Secular democracy is inherently medicinal - for all cures.
February 5, 2013 3:29 pm
Excellent article unfortunately the maulanas and mujahids have closed minds and the general populace is cynical and apathetic.
February 5, 2013 3:33 pm
The root of all problems in Pakistan is its negative agenda....It is formed on the basis of ""not India"" and it went on to needle & create all sorts of problems to India. This continued inspite of the negative effects of these actions on its economy & social fabric.
February 6, 2013 9:32 pm
India had minority PM and had Minority presidents in the past. I don't think Pakistan can ever have a Minority PM or President. Many people from minority in India are very successful in different professions. I rest my case ...
February 6, 2013 1:08 pm
India is its own problem.
February 6, 2013 9:47 pm
Mr. Akil Akhtar: If what you propose, happens (and it may) - and the Indian Newspaper does not publish it - It would be India's loss. However, we may not need people like Haider to do this for us - we have our own Mani Shankar Iyer, Javed Naqvi, Bukhari, Manmohan Singh, Karan Thapar - and a whole host of others who may do the job for us - all of these men have national interest in mind (don't know about Javed Naqvi, though) when they want good relationships with Pakistan . In other words, our democratic make-up is a tad better. Roger
February 5, 2013 12:04 pm
Mr. Writer please get the name of the castes straight. Its not Khashtris (Para 5, line 6) but Kshtriyas. Rest is Ok.
February 5, 2013 1:40 pm
Very insightful article - as always. Thank you for writring this article as it gives many of us a lot of clarity and also a real possible future if the nations/citizens of this region and Pakistan seeks a different future
Md Imran
February 5, 2013 3:02 pm
I strongly disagree ! The author starts off on a wrong note that the entire creation of Pakistan was a mistake - no, it wasn't ! You have to revist the words of Iqbal and Jinnah who both said "Muslims in subcontinent are different to the rest of the masses. We derive different ancestories and we derive inspiration from different cultures. So co-existence will only lead to problems". What Pakistan got through independence was not just to provide a safe sanctuary for the muslims of the subcontinent, but also help them keep their identity. The generations of Pakistanis since then have believed we have nothing in common in India, and rightly so. Until recently, Pakistan was far more wealthier, superior ( both economically and militarily ) nation than India that was/is steeped in backwardness. So Indian democracy helping them solve their problems is another preposterous claim by the author. Besides, without Pakistan, the godless Soviets would still be ruling the world. So it wasn't US that defeated USSR, it was Pakistan that defeated a mighty superpower, and the world needs to be forever grateful to us for that.
February 6, 2013 5:14 pm
"Not expecting this from a Pakistani Newspaper.". I guess you have not been following Dawn regularly.
February 6, 2013 11:19 am
This is Dawn. They will read it. But they will not believe it. Too weak and contrived an argument to convince the critical thinker.
Hira Lal Deb Roy
February 6, 2013 3:36 pm
Mr. Haider diagnosed the problem correctly. Always and everywhere the ruling cliques devise new ways to rule and maximise their profits. Pakistan might have corrected its path but for Anglo-American global interest, the system was sabotaged and Military dictatorship encouraged. Ofcourse, Pakistan was curved out of India as a counterweight to India and to serve Anglo-American global interest. Pakistani leadership and the government, hardly could follow an independent path displeasing its creator, the British. I hope the Article will give the Pakistanis an impetus to introspect on what is good for their country.
February 6, 2013 5:12 pm
I agree. Unfortunately, we also have our religion, we everything is completely prescribed. I we are required to do is 'follow'.
February 5, 2013 12:34 pm
The author deserves all the praise for his blunt and honest analysis of Pakistan's myriad problems. I hope and wish others in Pakistan would read this.
February 6, 2013 8:19 pm
Dear Khan sahib, You gave reference of Times of India. But the fact is Times of India is a very low grade news papers which gets popularity by publishing masala and vulgar news same is applicable to its readers. If you truly want to get the mindset of Indian intellectuals read comments in The Hindu. I believe in India only The Hindu is of the same level as Dawn.
February 5, 2013 5:18 pm
That too, as far as I can make out, Akbar gave up Islam and created his own religion. In any case, the Mughals' mothers were mostly Rajputs, who remained Hindu. Indians appreciate this article because they would love to see Pakistan doing well, prosperous, happy and having fun, governed by wise, kind folk. Indians are puzzled when Pakistan's best young men are sent as battering rams to suit US foreign policies. Gaining or losing Kashmir will not benefit the average Pakistani, leaders may simply give it to China, as they have done so far and make powerful rich folks richer. China loves land.
February 6, 2013 9:40 pm
Hazaron saal nargis apni bey noori pey roti hey, Bari mushkil sey hota hey jahan mein deeda war peida. Deeda wari is not that simple, Mr. Haider.
February 5, 2013 12:31 pm
Dear Mr. Mobarak Haider, I am an avid reader who follows national and international affairs with a special interest in history. I must admit that this is the best article I have ever read in my entire life. You have analyzed 65 years of history of the sub-continent in one article. Hats off. Keep up the good work.
February 5, 2013 3:07 pm
It takes guts to admit what you just did.. Bravo! Jinnah was a secular man, but who also spoke for Sharia, Islam and called for Direct Action against Hindus(which led to 5000 dead in Muslim majority Bengal). That was the problem. Pakistanis love him, so nobody dares to call him communal. The debate of secular or Islamic makes no sense and is irrelevant. The real question is was Jinnah communal?
February 5, 2013 3:07 pm
do not get paranoid...Just see the message the author trying to convey...
February 6, 2013 5:30 pm
It is irrelevant what Indians think about this article.The author is not trying to analyse any indian problem here.Your concerns about indian problems should be discussed in India.The problems of casteism, social justice, honor and dowry killing in India are not the creation of Pakistan or Pakistanis.Your comments are highly misplaced.
February 5, 2013 11:58 am
At last after 65 years somebody has taken the pen to write the truth. I congratulate DAWN and Mr M Haider on such a work of free thought. I firmly believe that only free thought , not dogma can bring about a lasting peace in our region. I once gain remember Faiz Sahibs famous words"Bol ke lab aaazad hain tere". I look forward to reading the balance issues of the article.
February 5, 2013 1:46 pm
what a brilliant and realistic article. Keep it up
February 5, 2013 12:30 pm
let me tell you the easy way to teach this to Pakistan society: get hold of all anchors and some so called opinion editors and get this into their mind and atleast we can hope 10% of the problem is solved. This venom of religious poison cannot be eradicated. Wine is good for heart if taken about two glasses not the bottle. Pakistan needs to learn this with respect to islam. But when you consider your religion is the best and all others are nonsense, can you even think rationally...the author must not just blame few leaders or feudal lords but is something wrong in the way the society thinks in Pakistan? Few people cannot achieve this level of cultural and history destruction in 6 decades.
February 6, 2013 8:39 pm
You have media-mujahids who constantly live in denial and are incapable of self-introspection. Thats why you guys flock here. Dont blame you.
February 5, 2013 6:14 pm
I only come to Dawn to check the ray of hope is still on or not. But comments from people like you make me dishearten. Brother you need a reality check, GDP or FRR wise Pakistan was never ahead of India.Militarily also you lost all 4 wars, no matter what was shown on your media, you lost badly in 47/65/71. Now, I am taking this a funny self criticism "Muslims in subcontinent are different to the rest of the masses. We derive different ancestories and we derive inspiration from different cultures. So co-existence will only lead to problems" ... coz looking at the events, it looks like co existence with each other is also a issue :). Now the last USSR claim, Pakistan was non player in complete episode, except the militancy in Afghanistan..thats also funded and supported by USA. No matter how backward or problematic India is, on world level its growing in all spheres and democracy is giving it power to solve issues as well. So, my dear brother, as you are coming on look enough literate to do google....its imp to identify and accept the problem, to cure the root all other countries around are doing....its high time for you to do the same.
February 5, 2013 1:53 pm
your entire article is very good, but the equivalence you drew between Maulana and Brahmin, Kshatriya and Mujahid takes the cake. indeed this is the truth that India failed to defend it's borders in medieval ages because all the interests and privileges were meant for these two classes, and not much was offered to the other castes, and so whether the ruler was a Hindu Rajput with a Brahmin or a Muslim Rajput/Turk with a Maulvi, nothing changed for the common men. India has, thankfully, been progressing in a better direction(though inequalities still persist, yet the road to equality is being laid down with determination); pakistan, on the other hand, is in the same abyss India was a thousand year back. the only escape is to ensure prosperity to the common folks, otherwise a Common Abdul can be quite ruthless, and can tear down the same country with zeal, which he in the past, nurtured with his blood. Regards
February 5, 2013 11:49 am
Very interesting blog. The language used by the distinguished writer has touched my sentiments. I congratulate him for his frank and bold thinking. -Bimal Chandra Jha, India
February 6, 2013 8:32 pm
Well said Kashmiri. I am also sick of these so called intellectuals trying to win a popularity contest on this website. He does not speak for the majority, only himself. Authors like him give people from a third rate country like India the opportunity to come here and give us lectures on morality and worldly affairs. Their own media-mujahids make for sick reading, thats why they all flock here.
February 5, 2013 12:53 pm
I faced some problem when i visited DHA Islamabad last time. I just read that PTCL has started its dedicated services in DHA Islamabad which will turn out to be a blessing for its residents. They can now stay connected to the world smoothly.
February 5, 2013 12:54 pm
That's pretty tough and straight. Can't wait for the next parts.
February 6, 2013 3:49 pm
Well said!! Fully agree with your words "General Zia encouraged these violent hordes to make money through crime and drugs. That might have exposed them to international buyers with greater rewards than Pakistan could offer". Waiting for next article!!!
February 5, 2013 4:18 pm
Dear Haider Sab, I salute you for your straight forward message, which may not be palatable to many. Your article is like a sudden shower in a hot summer day. It once again convince us that there is still hope in Pakistan , there are patriots in Pakistan who are genuinely concerned about the well being of their nation. Hats up to DAWN for publishing such thought provoking articles. Haider Sab Pleas keep up.
February 6, 2013 6:48 pm
Like Pakistan, India has many problems, too. Agreed. Only Indians can resolve them; through introspection and free dialogue within. When Mr. Haider, a Pakistani, writes such an insightful article in a Pakistani daily, that is introspection. When Javed Naqvi, an Indian, writes in a non-Indian daily, that is not introspection. I wouldn't call him a traitor, but I definitely would question his intent.
February 6, 2013 2:28 pm
Actually lies and rumors hurt.
February 5, 2013 4:14 pm
Same old writings of same old secular fanatics which can only be liked by Indians. No surprise why so many Indians like it.
February 5, 2013 10:43 am
What is the use of this. Nobody listens here and there. No more hopes from the present day ruling class either political or military.
February 6, 2013 10:35 pm
"Pakistanis can prosper only if they learn to love and respect the Hindus". Anil, the reverse is also true. So you should also learn to love and respect Muslims.
February 5, 2013 5:25 pm
This article is for people like you and we are to just hope your society gets to where it should be. So who is wanting the backwardness and darkness? Please read the article again and ask for help if you cannot get what the author said .......
February 6, 2013 2:28 pm
An excellent analysis. Congratulations Mr Haider and Dawn for publishing.
Khan Ahmed
February 5, 2013 6:51 pm
Completey agreed. Good to see that there are people who understand who the enemy is.
February 5, 2013 4:13 pm
Raika45, I am not sure if the Islamic problem genie was not already in it's infancy before Zia. Zia only accelerated and nurtured the beast. It is the mindset of Islamic religiosity and fanaticism that is the root cause of Pakistani mess. How can you think and act rationally when all you always say and are brainwashed to believe that every other religion is nonsense and wrong and you would not associate with any other unless they are Muslims and bow to Islam unconditionally.
February 5, 2013 5:30 pm
Whoa, beautifully penned. Up to the point and well elucidated. Not a fan of your previous article but this one is one of your gems. Bravo.
February 5, 2013 5:29 pm
Please answer this. So for maintaining islamic identity, one gets the right to kill minorities and shias and others because you believe that they do not follow pure islam as you follow? Which god has given islamists the right to even touch other human being forget about kiling them?? The land you live now was not yours in the past. What islamic identity do you want to create and how many will be killed in that process???
February 5, 2013 4:20 pm
Excellent column. Seems Dawn has decided to take the 'debate' to the next higher level. Keep up the good work.
February 5, 2013 6:07 pm
For Pakistan, it's either peace with India or the high road!! ,
February 6, 2013 8:03 pm
My original comment agreed with the writer.............nothing more .
February 5, 2013 6:07 pm
Super. The article is very good and truthful. Hatsoff to DAWN for projecting the truths as ever. My sincere pray to Pakistanis is to live peacefully and let others live Peacefully.
February 6, 2013 5:25 pm
If only politicians in India read this article. After all these years, the third rate people ruling India are finally colluding with he priests and landowners, Pakistan style. How sad. The middle class has seen through this but will they act when the time come to vote?
February 5, 2013 6:38 pm
yes sir you said the reality, sarath palakkad kerala south india if possible send me ur article fully
February 5, 2013 6:57 pm
Dude... in the entire article, all you could find was a spelling error? What a shame!
February 6, 2013 11:58 am
He is slapping it on rather thick. As if writing a propaganda pamphlet. The educated will read and be amused, perhaps laugh at his antics.
February 5, 2013 6:11 pm
Kudos to the writer!! My request to Indian brothers commenting in the post : Please don't just blame others.World is not perfect. India has its own share of problems like corruption, Population growth and poverty.We should learn to work towards betterment rather than mud slinging.
Sharad Pandey
February 5, 2013 4:25 pm
spellings dont really matter, if he has been able to convey the meaning its fine. dont split hair unnecessarily.
February 6, 2013 8:36 pm
Patil ji, this author has no clue about the true enemy.
Cyrus Howell
February 5, 2013 6:45 pm
“Muslims in subcontinent are different to the rest of the masses...." "East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet." (Kipling) Rest assured he was writing about Muslims.
February 5, 2013 6:50 pm
I am not sure if I can agree with you entirely. While the present day problems of Pakistan certainly originate from our ideology of hate towards India, but in the earlier years of separation, the feeling of hate was mutual, and not just limited to Pakistan. But I still believe that Pakistan could have been a success story if we had developed friendly relations with our neighbors and had not adopted Islam as the state religion.
February 6, 2013 5:05 pm
May be we need to undo the blunder of partition in light of this article.United States of Secularism & Tolerance containing modern day India,Pakistan & Bangladesh must be our future.
Uzair Khan
February 5, 2013 6:49 pm
'For the first time in 65 years the army has shifted its focus from the eastern border to our internal enemy in the northwest'...maybe thats because until 2001, things were calm on the northern front and we had no enemy?
Khan Ahmed
February 5, 2013 6:48 pm
Yes the enemy within should be fought but India can never be considered a friend. Someone who knows Indians very well will tell you that.
February 5, 2013 6:46 pm
Can you please tell us on this forum why Kashmir solution is must for you folks?
kamaljit Singh
February 5, 2013 6:37 pm
I am giving this line from the Book written by Henry Kissinger , the most active person in 1971 war and a friend of Pakistan and China-----; His own memoirs 'White House years" At page 861 he writes ' when I asked ( Yahya and his other generals in Islamabad)about the Indian advantage in numbers and equipment , Yahya and his colleagues answered with bravado about the historic superiority of Muslim fighters.' Now make your own judgement about the thinking of pak generals.
February 5, 2013 6:51 pm
So what happened to the all weather friend of yours? I don't hear much bragging about that lately.
February 5, 2013 4:32 pm
"With absolute lack of vision, our political and military leadership created a mindset which has no respect for systems of a modern state.". Even now this is happening in most of the islamic countries. Why ?
February 5, 2013 1:31 pm
How great the writer and the article may be, the so-called "protectors of the faith" will continue to dominate and destroy the "holyland" unless people choose to sacrifice little bit of their "holiness" for the sake of their State and democracy,for the sake of their very existence.
H. Bose, London
February 6, 2013 7:34 pm
CONFEDERATION NEEDED! A confederation of India and Pakistan (with possibly Bangladesh in it as well) is needed, if we are to compete against China, the E.U. or USA. Postwar developments point to the inevitability of larger economic units in order to compete efficiently on the world stage. I am an Indian and some of my Pakistani friends in London are saying the same thing. A few commentators in Pakistani talk shows have also suggested similar ideas. The political units of India and Pakistan can remain, but a Common Market along the lines of the former E.E.C. can emerge, with free movement of goods and labour. Economies of scale and efficiency and complementary sources of raw materials/technologies can only benefit the two countries. I would request Pakistani readers not to take this as a design for an eventual Indian takeover of their country , but as an idea floated for the betterment of the peoples of both countries.
February 6, 2013 12:39 pm
Sir, your are not in touch with reality.
February 5, 2013 10:48 am
Wow I never thought anyone can write so bluntly about his/her religion. I congratulate you to examine history and try to pin point mistakes. I am of the opinion that religion is very very personal and gives no right to anyone to put any fingers on any other. One pointing finger forgets that his 3 fingers at that time is pointing towards him. Why don't start believing in classes and not for masses, in doing so classes came out and left with crowd of no use. Any pandit/maulavis/priest can hardly understand exact meaning of religion, so how can he impose his beliefs on others so forcefully. Followers should apply their minds which is also given by Almight only to be used. Don't we use umbrella in rain., . That is use of mind given by Almighty only. Unless society comes openly against major issue correction is so difficult , one can say almost impossiible. Well God may be kind and give Sense to prevail upon.
February 5, 2013 5:51 pm
It is the eyes of another person which makes a person a terrorist or freedom fighter. The actual doer (terrorist/freedom fighter) does what he thinks is right. Netaji Subhash Chandar Bose was a terrorist/war criminal in the eyes of Britishers but a patriotic freedom fighter for the Muslims and Hindus of erstwhile India.
February 5, 2013 5:51 pm
Dear Sohail, It would have been better to find indian (or say Non Muslim names) from the comments you would have read the article properly and gave a thought that why more than 50 % of the time after independence, Pakistan has been ruled by army. Why Bangladeshi stood against you though majority is Muslim there.Why in every few days a suicide blast takes place in Pakistan.How non muslims (non sunni ) are being persecuted in Pakistan. 1000 comments by non Muslims will not make a difference to your country but if it can open your eyes then writer has made the difference.
Sabka malik eik
February 5, 2013 5:35 pm
Mulla ji
February 5, 2013 4:03 pm
WOW!!!! I am absolutely impressed with the brilliance, honesty, courage, the incisive analysis, bluntness and the integrity of the author in telling the hard bitter truth to Pakistanis which most of the world already knows and treats Pakistan accordingly. Mobarak Haider, You not only have my respect but my prayers that your Paksitani brothers and sisters will pay heed to what you are telling them is universal truth and they would pick up the fight to cleanse this sordid mess.
February 5, 2013 5:36 pm
Ooops apologies, not Mobarak Haider's previous article, possibly Murtaza Haider. Actually the last one (A society at war with itself) was brilliantly written too.
Ganesh (India)
February 6, 2013 5:19 pm
must for whose peace?? Pakisthan's ???
February 6, 2013 11:52 am
HA.HA HA Thnks for such nice joke.
February 5, 2013 5:41 pm
There is a term used as "defeatist mind set". I think the author has already conveyed his feelings to the indians. I really feel sorry for him.
February 6, 2013 12:23 pm
Henry Kissinger reneged on the US defense treaty it had signed with Pakistan [before the U2 incident and USSR's atomic threat to Peshawar] to ensure India's invasion. USSR kept it treaty with India and ensured supplies and air support to ensure its win. The breakup of Pakistan was long in the works while Pakistan trusted the USA as friend. Pakistan still thinks so, and further breakup is still in the works.
Vittal Pyati
February 5, 2013 4:00 pm
India has absolutely no desire to acquire Pakistan because it will add another 150 million Muslims. Hindus being meek will let India become a Muslim State eventually and slide back to medival times. Muslims are living in the past recounting the glory of Mughal rule. Times have changed everywhere including the US which has reelcted a black man as head of state which makes the US the greatest country in the world. Non-muslims have no equal rights in all Muslim countries including Pakistan. Letting Mullahs run the country is disaster especially in science. Vittal Pyati Dayton, Ohio
February 5, 2013 4:01 pm
When will Pakistani intellectuals stop using the words "Non state actors" and use the word the rest of the world uses - Terrorists? Is it a feeble attempt to legitimize them? or an attempt to be politically correct?
February 5, 2013 5:58 pm
you should read writer's last blog and Sabir;s Al Bakistan V where he has mentioned that Pakistani has always thought they are more powerful than India but they still could not win a war against India. you definitely has been inspiration for writer's blog self love and its fruits.
February 6, 2013 12:14 pm
And a long way down...
February 6, 2013 12:14 pm
It's happened to me a few times. I think some comments just slip through the cracks. Perhaps Dawn does not have enough people to review comments. In any case, I have found that reporting the comment usually works. Better than getting angry :)
February 5, 2013 4:50 pm
A lot of "devout" Muslims will consider Akbar to be a "kaffir" far from a man who ushered in a "Golden Age"!!!!!
February 5, 2013 4:56 pm
Rajesh you are absolutely right. Pakistan never learn meaning of "Peace and democracy". India never invaded any other country for last 1000 years, Instead India gave lot of land and education to Pakistan. Pakistan's land used to be Indian's land. Pakistan never had and never will have a democracy. Please don't mess with India. India does not want use her power.
February 5, 2013 4:58 pm
Great. You are right, there many Indians like it. But what about the Pakistanis who also like it? Are they also secular fanatics?
February 5, 2013 5:05 pm
Pakistan's economic and military superiority led to its defeat in all its wars with India.
February 6, 2013 11:13 am
You mean as fiction...
February 5, 2013 2:18 pm
The views of this intellectual writer and deep thinker may not reflect Dawn's disclaimer view but they are 100% MY views and millions of Pakistanis and Indians views.
A Pakistani
February 6, 2013 12:08 pm
If the 'others' just leave us alone and mind their own that would be a progressive step towards peace...
John Brusseau
February 5, 2013 4:00 pm
I enjoyed reading such a well thought out essay immensely. I know next to nothing about the history of Pakistan. I do know a thing or two about human society and its spiritual and psychological foundations. It sounds like Mobarak Haider’s position is (and this is but a severe distillate) that the rise of the present narcissistic Islamic State of Pakistan is due to the unholy marriage of convenience between the landed aristocracy that wished to perpetuate and expand their power in the new Pakistan state and the clergy who also wished to expand and perpetuate their power. The resultant marriage between these two elements of society rendered both of them more self-serving then they would have been alone. In other words, it was the introduction of the quest for power that seduced and polluted both, rendering them a “mindset of pathological narcissism, of self-righteous self-love”. That sounds credible to me, knowing what I know about human psychology. It seems to me that there may be an even more basic underlying psychological problem involved here; that is the cultural values that war against the natural process of individuation in its members. A person begins life as an undifferentiated element of the homogenous whole family. In other words, we don’t start out with a sense of our individual identity, we start out with a family/group identity, and then we must undergo the painful process of discovering who we are as an individual. Unless this process of individuation takes place in a society’s individual members, the society will become stripped of the strengths and virtues that that only a celebration of the uniqueness in each person affords to a society. If the society that grew into the State of Pakistan was more individuated there would not have existed a landed aristocracy in the first place. The individuals within their society would have chaffed at the undue grasping for power by some, instead of codependently abdicating their own power to them. The same is true of the clergy. Each human has there own spiritual power, and the abdication of their own spiritual power to others (clergy) is due to the failure of the process of individuation. People tolerate a power-grab by others because they don’t see themselves as being worthy of holding power, and they don’t see themselves as worthy of holding power because they don’t know who they are, and what they will need power for themselves. Every culture and every society has their own problems with the process of individuation. None are very supportive of this process. Thus, if one is discussing how Pakistan society may become healthier one must avoid the easy pitfall of merely substituting the problems an external society has with the process of individuation for the present Pakistani problem with it. One must dig deeper than culture, which is to say, cultural values, and look to the spiritual ideas that can nurture or hinder the process of individuation. The spiritual ideas that promote the empowerment of the individual’s connection to God, rather than promote the group’s connection to God will foster the process of individuation in a society. If the individual is nurtured in us, our place in the group automatically becomes more defined. If we fail to know who we are as a unique individual we will not be able to define who we are to the group. Anyhow, that’s my two cents worth.
Shan Sohail
February 5, 2013 3:48 pm
Dear Mr. Haider, I am not surprise to see Tanya, Raj, Krishna, Alex, Raika, RV, Putar, Bimal Chandra, Nish, Ciao, Bansal and Prakash fully supporting your article. Can’t wait for a Pakistani citizen to leave you their feedback… I will be sure to following your blog to see how they feel. I may end up learning alot from it. I personally feel, it is very one sided argument so far... looking forward to your continuation.
February 5, 2013 6:26 pm
I like the fingers analogy. It comes originally from Tamil
February 6, 2013 6:47 pm
Ditto....... it is sell out deal to India. Give me a single Indian newspaper that writes against their national interest.
Another View - Kashmiri
February 6, 2013 6:55 pm
Write a pseudo intellectual article against Pakistan and get 600 comments to stake victory flag to get a nice check from Dawn. I am all for peace with India but how can it be one-sided. For years I see the fundamentalists and dot huggers are fighting to win the mind and hearts of rest of Pakistanis. In reality Pakistanis are totally fed up with both views now. By nature Pakistanis are peaceful people so fundamentalists will never win heart in long run, the dot huggers on the contrary failed to get any reciprocal response from cross the border, indeed we see the propaganda war has increased several fold on India media. Leave us alone, we will survive without both of extremist view of points. We don't need advise!
February 6, 2013 5:59 pm
It was the most enlighting time for them.
February 6, 2013 6:43 pm
Actually Dawn selects the comments to make the author look good and those that support Dawn's pro-India agenda. You will note all the very many comments from Indians about how great their religion and country is and how bad Pakistan and Islam is. This goes on and on in every article. Say some thing different and it is deleted..
February 5, 2013 11:31 am
You are real brave to have written this and Dawn even more brave to have published this. Waiting for the next in series.
February 6, 2013 11:14 am
Indeed a very well written article. My dears we created the monsters in 70's against Russia. We created the mind sets. We fed the monster millions of dollars flooded from every where. We did every thing possible to please our mentors with out thinking the repercussions. In the end every one left us high and dry. We need to review our policies and put far sighted and intellectuals in the driving seat. Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.
February 6, 2013 6:35 pm
Mubarak a poor sick beggar is man told what to say and he has to
Abdul Wahid Awan
February 5, 2013 11:28 am
I appreciate your honesty and drive to improve the critical thinking of Pakistani's and I hope there are more people like you out there who can tell the nation to actually think before they support or believe in something.
February 5, 2013 2:33 pm
You are too correct and honest
February 6, 2013 6:26 pm
The Eastern enemy has spread North under US long term plan.
February 6, 2013 6:24 pm
The Hindu fails to see the uglyness that is theirs. They complain on the color of our rose.
February 5, 2013 3:24 pm
Especially the part - "Faith is one thing while a profession of faith is quite another". That is so true!
February 5, 2013 3:23 pm
This is one of the BEST articles on Dawn! I'm in awe of the author and Dawn to write and publish this article. I definitely look forward to the next two articles in the series.
Baighairat Kafir
February 5, 2013 3:20 pm
Wow! Great analysis Mubarak. Unfortunately in a nation blinded with fundamentalism only a few will understand it, but you hit the nail right on head. Looking forward to your next parts and reading your books also.
February 5, 2013 2:42 pm
True-er words have not been spoken about Pakistan for quite some time now. I hope he will not be dismissed as pandering to Indian sentiments. He is only stating what is widely known and understood, though sadly, not by the majority of his countrymen. As for the large educated Pakistani middle class, much which, unfortunately, still sympathizes with elements who do not represent the larger interests of Pakistan, it is not palatable for most of us to be proven wrong, to be told that our deepest held beliefs are incorrect. Will they have the courage to swallow their pride and have a collective epiphany any time soon?
February 5, 2013 2:45 pm
Someone needs to translate this into Urdu and Punjabi and publish in vernacular press.
Lakhkar Khan
February 5, 2013 2:46 pm
What would you suggest? Just give up and let the idiocy take over, if it already has not?
February 5, 2013 2:46 pm
Thats the best write-up Ive read in a while about happenings in Pakistan/India. Though it's not unearthing new facts, the way its laid out hits the issue on the forehead. Brilliant.
February 6, 2013 6:11 pm
"Story" as in fantasy, imagination, fiction.
February 6, 2013 3:51 pm
For many ""devout"" Muslims Aurangazeb is a pious Muslim....Whatever he has done should be done by all devout Muslims
February 6, 2013 9:49 am
Ha Ha Ha
Raoul Ciao
February 5, 2013 10:51 am
the author is likely to get pilloried, as the issue is not about admitting errors in his article, which is happening a lot in pakistan nowdays, but of the line stating that the Qaid was just a brilliant lawyer. Second, having said his piece, which will have a lot of feedback from both thinkers and the entrenched ulema supporting middle class, the author may need to also talk about the role that democracy has taken in Pakistan, where the same rentier class of pirs, landlords, feudal lords and armywallahs (ex) dominate.
February 5, 2013 1:24 pm
Bansal ji: Namaste from Dearborn MI The notion that religion is personal is not mainstream Islam, but fringe Islam - Sufism, et al. Says Iqbal: Apne mann mein doob kar pa ja suraghe zindagi .. And on co-existence and governance - Mann Ki Duniya Mein Na Paya Mein Ne Afrangi Ka Raaj Mann Ki Duniya Mein Na Dekhe Mein Ne Sheikh-O-Barhaman However, Islam is a social religion where Individual Rights are exercised in interaction with others.
February 6, 2013 6:08 pm
This one sided story can only be published in an English daily and not in Urdu which is understood by the wast majority of my countrymen. Because the wast majority would have asked questions about the mass genocide in East-Punjab and Jammu in 1947, Indian on going human right violations in Kashmir, the invasion of East-Pakistan, the introduction of nuclear weapons, Indias occupation of Siachen, Indian dams on our rivers, Indian terrorism from Afghanistan and so on...
February 6, 2013 3:51 pm
Well said. India is always causing problems pagan's old habit.
February 5, 2013 3:16 pm
I wish my name was Iqbal or Imran or Salim, not because of any other reason except perhaps readers of this note would not consider me another bigoted Hindu. That said, Mr. Mubarak Haider is a rare person of Honesty. I have waited 65 years for some one to articulate the truth behind Partition of India and the Mind set of the ruling elite of Pakistan. It was and is based on the "semi Literate" view of the religiously bigoted. Hate is and will always be a two way street. Pakistan was to be the exalted state and land of the pure and as a consequence rest of India (Bharat) was to be the land of the Infidel Idol worshiping Hindu Brahmin and Baniya. This "hate of people across the eastern border' reciprocated "hate of people across the western border" and it will continue as long as Non State players, some covertly and others overtly supported by State, the likes that brought about Bombay Carnage, continue to influence the Minds of younger generations. I want to offer a prayer to the one and only Almighty for the Long Life of Mubarak Haider and a fervent wish that his example brings forth many more writers who are not afraid to tell the truth.
February 6, 2013 6:02 pm
Well your here enjoying our hospitality. That says a lot. The host is always better.
February 5, 2013 7:28 pm
The writer should realize that every country in the world is beset with some sort of problems be it political, social or religious so why single out Pakistan. And as expected we find lots of Indian friends making comments about our country as if they are free from every social, economic and suppresion problems.We never had leadership which was pro-people and well wisher of our country,they were thrusted upon us.But still despite these shortcomings our nation has survived and Inshallah will prosper despite the various dirty schemes of our neighbour.
Aftab Siddiqi
February 6, 2013 1:09 pm
Well wriiten article describing so clearly and effectively the root cause of the state in which Pakistan is today.Keep up your good work Mr. Haider , you are not alone we all intellectual mass are with you and show a door for better civilised life to the young generation who are our future.
February 5, 2013 7:33 pm
What world have you been living in my friend
Cyrus Howell
February 5, 2013 7:34 pm
This is one very successful essay.
Sarah Adam
February 6, 2013 1:37 pm
It is this man's project to distort history and denigrate the esteem and honor with which we love our Quaid. His words are untrue and contrived and are only increasing hate for him and India inour hearts. It would be best if he should decist from his crusade against Pakistan, Jinnah, and Islam.
idiot at large is a naqvi
February 6, 2013 1:32 pm
Jinnah from a different stock? That must be news to his mum unless she was raped by a Turkish soldier from Gazni's army!
February 6, 2013 5:07 pm
Why more rights? Why not equal
C Sakthivel
February 6, 2013 1:19 pm
I understand the concerned of the writter and like minded people of millions of Pakistanis towards the well being of their nation. The question is who would take the initiative, by whom it can be done, are the persons reponsible for the progess of Pakistan echos similar viewof the writter? It is true that India is always considered as enemy No.1 by Pakistan. Forget India. What about the co existance of Pakistan with its other neibhours like Afghanistan and Iran also Islamic countries.
February 5, 2013 7:49 pm
The golden age was 50 and 60's when pakistan was a rising star of the east, with trade surplus, all Far East and gulf airlines sent their staff for training, PIA won the airline of the year, South Koreans came to study our education system, pak merchant fleet was the 2nd biggest after Greece, pak was sending charity aid to a starving famine India. This should suffice all though there is more.
February 5, 2013 7:53 pm
Excellent analysis.......calling it as it is. It will be hard for our readers to accept this because as you correctly write they have been over the years tuned to accept otherwise.
February 6, 2013 1:23 pm
Very well analyzed article with a lot of clarity! World needs more thinkers and writers like you.
Richard W
February 5, 2013 8:00 pm
I have never seen such an honest objective analysis even in Indian or Western press. Indian press is full of yes men. I would request the author not to be so plain is foolish to be so wise when we've fools for audience.
February 5, 2013 8:06 pm
congratulations, you are confirmed to be in a state of denial! The glorious days of Pakistan as claiimed by you never existed.
Abdullah Hussain
February 5, 2013 8:06 pm
There are two aspects of independence of 1947. One deals with sentiments & the other deals with reality. The author in his article deals mostly with the sentimental part of the great divide. If we move the pages of history backward we will notice that all revolution & division in the past was no bed of roses. Sacrifices were also certainly made in the past when such occasion confronted the effected. The 1947 division was no different. I think the civilian as well as the military leadership of Pakistan have always shown restrain & caution towards India. The biggest issue that Pakistan has with India is Kashmir & water management unless these problems are solved through talks in a peaceful manner India & Pakistan will continue to travel on parallel lines. The need of the hour is to address the core issues first in order to create a sustainable relationship between the two neighbours on equal terms.
February 5, 2013 8:08 pm
This takes the cake. The Russians were doomed to fail with or without their mis-adventures in Afghanistan. Afghanistan just tired them out. As for Pakistan being richer and more advanced that India - lets fantasize for a second that this preposterous comment is true. So, you advocate military rule in Pakistan? Indians are over Pakistan. Yes, there are fringe elements in India wishng for the destruction of Paksitan. But the regular people in india just care about their livelihood and economic well being. Proof of this? Look at any political manifesto - I wonder if Pakistan is even mentioned in it. And also remember, none of the fringe elements in India have ever come to power. Shows that the average Indian and majority of Indians just don't care about Pakistan. Sorry to burst your bubble
February 6, 2013 4:15 pm
dont insult him by equating with naqvi
February 5, 2013 8:28 pm
Very thoughtfull question, i dont think any body from Pakistan can answer this question ever, unless he has studied in depth. I am amazed, that based on ur name u seem to be some one not from South Asia, that you know the history in so much of depth.
February 6, 2013 1:17 pm
Mr. Haider’s broad brush fails in Pakistan where Jinnah DID NOT make any deals with the priests. In fact he was vehemently opposed by the Mullahs of his days. Mustafa bin Ali Reza Effendi (Ataturk) and Muhammad Ali Jinnah set up secular republics on the basis of the Secular Republic of Medina whose constitution was the Covenant of Medina, a negotiated document between the Aws, the Khazraj, and the yehud with rights for all. Both Ataturk and Jinnah made such deals, the latter with those who were in control of the 4 Western provinces and 1 Eastern one.
February 5, 2013 8:34 pm
Thats expecting too much mate.
February 5, 2013 8:48 pm
Great article..problem with pakistan is that they cannot just stay away from comparing themselves to India and moreever cannot accept the fact that at this very moment India is way ahead of them in every aspect.
kuldip gupta
February 6, 2013 4:14 pm
Nehru had written in a letter to Kennedy in early 60's that Kashmir is not the real issue with Pakistan. The issue is TWO nation theory. Pakistan can not accept that millions of Muslims are living in India , irrespective of it being a Hindu dominated state in peace.
February 5, 2013 8:49 pm
Wow. Today Dawn is again a balanced and neutral newspaper. Lets see how long this lasts this time round.
Ram Krishan Sharma
February 5, 2013 8:52 pm
A secular fanatic has an open mind as against a religious fanatic with a closed mind. Who is better of the two?
Ashok Pandey
February 6, 2013 2:25 pm
I concur wit this comment by all means.. The articles on DAWN are unique.. and I am a fan of this site
February 6, 2013 4:11 pm
Sixty five million US dollars to Pakistani media is working. No wonder Indians are so happy to read this article.
February 6, 2013 2:22 pm
Sal is correct. And it is easy to that truth has no place in this crusade against Pakistan and Islam. It will generate hate against this man and Dawn. Perhaps he is an Indian agent
February 5, 2013 9:10 pm
Very good article indeed, what led the Pakistan to face present problems. But is certainly fall short to address what is the root cause of the problems that led to develop the mindset through the ages of spread of Islamic believes. And that is to judge other human beings sub human beings (subordinate other non-believer of Islamic and particularly their own women). That led to develop present mindset, to impose narrow ideology on other and on Islamic women with force and act of violence. Only way out of this, see all human equal and see same God in all beings including women. We are all children of one God. To develop that ideology in Islamic believe, may not happen or it might happen with wakening of the population with time.
JP Singh
February 6, 2013 2:18 pm
It takes courage to write what you have penned here Haider Sahib. To be honest with you and all Pakistanis, majority Indians are not anti Pakistan. Majority just want to live in peace without any confrontation between the two countries. Mumbai did cause the majority opinion sway negatively towards Pakistan but that’s understandable. I still see comments about plight of Muslims in India. Well India is a large country with diverse communities and a lot happens in India. But there isn’t a mind set against the Muslims. Though there is a difference of opinion with a minority group in India. That will happen in any country. The plight of Christians, Hindus and other minority Muslim community in Pakistan is worse than that of Muslims in India. But that’s not the context of the issue here. The issue is not about India and Pakistan here which people have to understand. We didn’t create Taliban nor did we finance them. We didn’t create Afghan problem. We were not there in the SWAT valley. We don’t arm people in Pakistan. Till the time people don’t look inwards India will seem to be enemy NO 1. We have had enough madness lets give time to saner voices and try to live in peace.
February 5, 2013 9:22 pm
The truth is gradually coming out, the untold story of exploitation of Islam religion by power hungry generals, feudal lords, bureaucrats,,elitist intellectuals and other vested interests in and for Pakistan. The results are before us..Islamist fanatics and supremacist has taken over Pakistan. Excellent analysis by Haider Sb...Well done DAWN>
February 6, 2013 4:02 pm
Qauid a Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah the father of Pakistan started it and named it Dawn from the name of Qur'an Chapter89[Sura 'Al Fajar'] The Dawn. It was his desire and hope that Dawn will project Muslim thought and protect Pakistan's idealogy.
February 6, 2013 11:11 am
No. To be dismissed as an imaginative story teller...rewriting history in his own image.
suresh kumar
February 5, 2013 10:14 pm
My friend u need to spend some time reading History Books ( published outside of pakistan). Then u can contribute meaningfully to the betterment of pakistan. Islam is a peaceful religion but used by the muslim elites ( read the article again ) for pakistan in 1947. In the last 65 years people were indoctrinated into thinking that India was their enemy no 1. without any valid basis. I also request u to read a book written by Mr.Jinnah's doctor.u will try to hit your head against a wall saying " oh my god I had been injected a lethal weapon of man-made-facts CREATED by the people who were behind Mr.Jinnah's pakistan. And they are still there. May god bless my brothers and sisters of Pakistan. Thank you
February 5, 2013 10:15 pm
Forefathers of Pakistanis and Indians (and some part of Afghanistan) have gone through the same things - the indus valley civilization, followed by rulers like Ashoka, Harshvardhan, then the muslim rule, british rule and finally today's situation. Until 1947, we have more or less remained together. As history has proved, muslims have been secure in India and have grown in number and also doing reasonably well. Its time the muslims of the sub continent realize that we all can live together - and its in everyone's benefit that we all live as one and not fight amongst each other. As long as religion-regionalism is kept far away from politics, we will do well. If Barack Obama can be president of a white majority country, what is the problem in anyone being prime minister of all this sub continent and develop progressive policies and give power to the masses at root level -- India and Pakistan together will thrive well. Both the countries can do with one army and that itself will be a huge savings which can go towards healthcare and education. These all may appear day dreaming, but its time this happened and this part of the world get more stability and the people there who are my most beloved, enjoy better lives.
February 5, 2013 10:24 pm
Wow... a fantastic and well reasoned article. My hearty congratulations to you for the courage to write it. As an Indian who has always believed that the splitting of the Indian sub-continent was a western conspiracy I sincerely hope more Pakistanis wake up to this. Please stop and think how well a united Indian subcontinent could have done politically and economically. I don't think all is lost. We can still get together if not as a single nation at least as a federation; it simplu takes leaders with courage and long term vision. I hope this eventuates. I am sure the rabid fundamentalists will belittle you but please keep faith, you will be able to change minds. All the best.
Ashok Pandey
February 6, 2013 2:12 pm
My Friend Khan. I can understand your disagreement but cant appreciate that. Plight of Indian Muslims??????? APJ Abdul Kala(Scientist and Former presidfent ) Shahrukh Kahn Salman Khan AAmir Khan Sohail Khan Bismillah Khan(Shahnai Mastero) Indian is filled with Ministeries and celebrities wo are non-hindus. How many exampe do you have. Just one ???? Shahbaz Bhatti..who was also killed in the Open air iin the "LAND OF PURE"
February 5, 2013 10:33 pm
Great insight! though overly one dimensional and simplified, perhaps for the ease of readers since the real world has many complex variables acting and influencing regional politics at any given time at the same time. I commend Dawn for publishing this. Can't wait for your next article and also hoping that the comments don't get bombarded by simpletons who believe in hating muslims or hindus.
February 5, 2013 10:36 pm
You can do a favour to all of us by giving the other side of the argument. Till then keep learning.
February 5, 2013 10:47 pm
The other side don't read Dawn?
Indian Raj
February 5, 2013 10:51 pm
Haider Saheb - Nice and brave article . Someone called spade a spade after along time :) . Hats off to you.
February 6, 2013 10:58 am
It was so well written, I simply couldn't stop praising him. Who so ever is so open and try to explain to others should be appreciated, same way we protest against these idiotic fatwas against music. I want them to see movie KHUDA KE LIYE where it is explained how important music is for all religion.
February 5, 2013 11:09 pm
You must be kidding dude....stop day dreaming and wake up to the realities..
February 5, 2013 11:20 pm
same old response from the right winged conservative side...btw fanatic and secular dont mix...i suggest u pick up an English dictionary...
February 5, 2013 11:31 pm
This is a fresh air in a country dying of intlect, Congratulations for well written and thought provoking article. Looking forward to read remaing parts.
February 6, 2013 10:49 am
Joke? Well Taliban and Pak Military advisers and commandos, alongwith US small weapons and supplies. History, foreign politicians US and Soviet, military strategist, Pentagon, and at least two US Presidents have acknowledged and recorded it as fact. What are your credentials for the "joke"?
February 5, 2013 11:35 pm
Of course....pakistan defeated USSR and the world needs to be thankful......and we are struggling to survive ourselves today......what kind of delusion of grandeur you are in ?????
February 6, 2013 1:59 pm
I have thought. In fact there is an enormous amount of data that proves that his thesis is little more than propoganda.
February 5, 2013 11:45 pm
Kashmir was never be a problem. It is the lifeline of Pakistan Army Corporate. They need Kashmir issue to rip of Pakistan economy and that is what they are doing till today.
Abdul Wahid Osman Belal
February 5, 2013 11:55 pm
As long as the question of Kashmir remains unsolved by depriving the Kashmiries of their right to their self-determination and fraud of Hindutva under the guise of secularism and democracy racial discrimination against Muslims continues it is a far=fetched dream like mirage in the desert? ABDUL WAHID OSMAN BELAL
Rukshana Majid
February 6, 2013 1:52 pm
If it was true that Pakistan lost four wars to India than it would have been conquered and ceased to exist. Pakistan lost one war when USSR supported India in the East and US broke its defense treaty with Pakistan. India can never win a war against Pakistan on its own. Recall how its 'Cold Start Doctrine' was shut down after it huffed and puffed for ten months blowing hot air and smoke at the border. Should India attack again it will be reduced to burnt coal before the end of an hour.
February 6, 2013 10:46 am
The greatest ability of human being is to think. As long as there are more Mubarak Haiders, Pakistan shall have great future. The critical analytical thought will evantually triumph.
February 6, 2013 12:16 am
Excellent piece!
February 6, 2013 12:17 am
I pity you. As you cannot understand anything else, than what brainwashing has done to you over the years. Open up your mind - just think, can the above article have a grain of truth in it.
February 6, 2013 12:19 am
Another Bollywood inspired writer of Dawn writing a confused article without any sequence. Can the author enlightened us That which Muslim dynasty Allama Iqbal and Jinnah belong to? Secondly which holy man supported Jinnah as Jamaat-e-Islamist opposed Jinnah and called him "Kafir e Azam" thirdly why Jinnah left congress isn't he closely studied Hindu mentality and tried to convince Hindu leaders to give Muslims more rights failing which he parted away and joins Muslim league. For a moment we suppose that Pakistan did not get independence what will be the total population of Indian Muslims be now if we sum up 200 million of Bangladesh, 200 million of India and 180 million of Pakistan around 580 million and the Hindu population will be around 700 million is the difference big enough to stop Muslims to rule back India. If the author really wanted to see the true colour of Indian democracy and secular Indians try to send an article to Indian newspaper regarding plight of Indian Muslims or any other matter which Indians does not like to hear and he will get to know. At least the author should start reading times of India and see comments of Indians against Muslims and Pakistani and he will be thankful that he lives in Pakistan. I get sick and tired of these so called Pakistani intellectuals whose only topic is Pakistan bashing.
February 6, 2013 12:21 am
From where you get the idea that millions of Pakistani has these absurd views? Indians can have as they are brought up feeding the same views.
February 6, 2013 12:28 am
when will you ll implode?
February 6, 2013 12:30 am
narcissism at its best..cant wait till you ll implode
February 6, 2013 12:39 am
Your ignorance, or simple denial of facts, is sad. When was Pakistan every 'superior' militarily - in which of the 4 wars did that happen? Also, I have no problem in your claiming to be different. But, living in your fantasy land with blinders on is laughable. BTW, 'more wealthier' is improper English! No wonder you did not claim academic superiority!
February 6, 2013 12:42 am
I am a pakistani citizen, though living aborad. I fully and 100% endorse this article. Why are you afraid to look in the mirror ? It is exactly because of this reason why we are so left out and behind. As a proof that I am from pakistan, i used to live in karachi, defense area. Wake up and smell the coffee!
February 6, 2013 12:48 am
India is not on fire but does feel the heat here and there when Pakistan burns. Please don't let your hate blind you to the fire in your home. Indians are not different from Pakistanis when we meet socially in countries like USA and Canada. Secular and Fanatic cannot be put together as secular as defined by merriam-webster dictionary "not overtly or specifically religious" implying a tolerant attitude. Open you mind and your eyes will see.
February 6, 2013 10:24 am
Dont worry my friend, India had overcome the earlier issues with Democracy but now due to great leaders, following religious leaders to create more and more internal issues. We will surely be in the same boat.
February 6, 2013 1:26 am
You must be living in a dream world! India was always superior militarily and has defeated Pakistan many times.
February 6, 2013 10:19 am
Good work but hope the writer won't get threat from mullas and talibans...such a mature and analytic writing from Pakistan is definitely a ray of hope for Pakistan and for Indians as well..
February 6, 2013 10:13 am
Hi Comment Police , My comment made 12 hours ago is still awaiting your approval ???????????????
February 6, 2013 2:04 am
Pakistani intellectual, that is something new.
Farooq Mogul
February 6, 2013 2:09 am
Time has come to declare Indians as non-enemy and settle the issues. India at this point is progressing, hope they are more interested in making further economical progress than eliminating Pakistan. I wish we became neighbors like USA and Canada.
Akil Akhtar
February 6, 2013 2:10 am
Totally agree, it seems there is no point reading these predictable outbursts which are nothing more than repeat of indian propoganda
Akil Akhtar
February 6, 2013 2:14 am
Why do such people like the author live in Pakistan and not go back to their master in india. Shameful people who bad mouth their own home while supporting the enemies, what was the word for such people ...and how history ahs treated them also we all know. Shame. Look at the joy of the indians also.
Akil Akhtar
February 6, 2013 2:18 am
How shameful our so called intellectuals have become. People like the author are against the existence of Pakistan thus they find harmony with the indians who have the same mindset. How sad that we have such people living amongst us and freely exploiting the freedom given to them by this country. He should try writing a criticla article about india in an indian newspaper and see how he would be treated. Shameful and disgusting.
February 6, 2013 2:23 am
lol! I can't even begin to comprehend what Imran is thinking here! Pakistan was superior militarily till recently?? Really?? Who surrendered in 1971 again? Who abandoned whom in Kargil?? I think the author has people like Imran in mind when he talks about the brain washing that is being done in the name of faith and country in pakistan.
rajiv thomas
February 6, 2013 2:31 am
Insightful and painfully honest I hope Mr. Haider's Urdu language books would be available in English
February 6, 2013 2:33 am
Well, thank you for the spell check. I hope you pay equal attention to the author's core message about how religion has been the bane of societies the world over.
February 6, 2013 3:13 pm
Another article like this one and he will have to be found and confronted and done with what he is wanting to do to others but hides his provocations and real desires behind clever words while calling for others to sharpen knives against Pakistan and Muslims. we need to locate him before he burns more hearts and sets fre to the country.
February 6, 2013 2:37 am
Yes Imran, Pakistan is, and remains, the ultimate Utopia that mankind has ever seen, and is the pinnacle of all human achievement. The author wasn't preventing you from dreaming. He only wants you to wake up now. Enough sleep, wouldn't you agree?
rajiv thomas
February 6, 2013 2:41 am
How do you know the names listed above are not Pakistani ? Oh but have a point Mr. Sohail. In india, one will indeed find people with a variety of names from a variety of religious traditions. That is certainly not the case in Pakistan. So your point is well made. But then that difference between India and Pakistan in this regard - which you yourself so correctly and quickly alluded to - speaks volumes about the difference between the two nations, doesn't it?
February 6, 2013 2:42 am
Though you try to sound very open-minded, your first sentence gives away your thought process. You seem to suggest that people with "Indian" (read Hindu) names liking this post is more significant than the content of the article itself! Which is the sad reality of this kind of opinion pieces on Dawn. They are preaching to the choir, and the vast majority will treat this kind of truth with contempt.
February 6, 2013 2:51 am
Sal, Truth hurts and it is painful to people like you...........
Yakub B.
February 6, 2013 3:02 pm
Well said Khan. Pakistan should do to him what the US does to such people.
February 6, 2013 2:58 am
I love your thoughts! Muslims from the subcontinent have different ancestories! Can you enlighten us a bit here? "Safe sanctuary for muslims".. That needs some thinking. They would not feel safe together because... by the way, you probably know how "safe" it is right now. You are right about the fact that "generations have believed that you have nothing in common with India". Have you ever questioned that belief? Do you know why you believe it? "Godless" Soviets.. the most interesting point. So you mean to say, God only exists for those who think of him. The best point so far I guess.
February 6, 2013 10:00 am
Very well said. Good response. Please stay on this page and fix it. Thanks.
Arjun sharma,Bihar
February 6, 2013 3:15 am
if you feel it one sided explanation you should give here the other sided that you think appear to be missing.let us have your observation.
February 6, 2013 3:19 am
Different ancestries ? You should know that grandfathers of both Jinnah and Iqbal were hindus.
February 6, 2013 2:53 pm
I am glad your comment saw print. You are correct this man does not deal with truth or facts seems only in pleasing India. Why does he not go and live there?
February 6, 2013 3:42 am
Mr Haider's brilliant column explains also why the separation between West and East Pakistan had to happen. In the west, the partition was driven by large landowners, jagirdars and waderas who rightly guessed that they would lose their power in a democratic setup. In the east, support for Pakistan came for the poor Muslim peasants, who were standing up to the zamindars, an overwhelming fraction of whom were Hindus, often nonresidents. The East Pakistani believed in democracy from the beginning, the rulers in West Pakistan were against democracy from the get go, and were able to successfully portray the Bangalees' aspiration for democracy as ``antiIslamic''. India had nothing to do actually with the Bangladesh independence struggle, except to use the opportunity handed to them by the Pakistani military on a platter. I hope Mr. Haider touches on this aspect of Pakistani history in the future columns.
February 6, 2013 3:44 am
I am not an Indian (happily and thankfully). But I really, really like this column. I am of the view that Pakistan needs to cut to size its religious lobby and bring out genuine, near secular democracy. Enough of propaganda of military and religious right. Look at what they have done.
February 6, 2013 3:44 am
Congratulation to writer for his courage to write such article based on extensive research of history. Still hope for something good in Pakistan. Very well done.
February 6, 2013 3:47 am
Godless Soviets, Pakistan defeated USSR, the wrold needs to be grateful to Pakistan for playing dual games with West with their money ...... hahahaha. Wake up Md Imran. It is morning already.
Just Guess
February 6, 2013 3:47 am
I am nearly astonished to see the candid views and analysis presented by Mr Haider. Cant wait to read the next two parts.
Just Guess
February 6, 2013 3:49 am
Truth is a bitter pill often hard to swallow, my friend. Take t his pill and life will be better for you.
February 6, 2013 3:49 am
Any 'Golden Age' for Islam, was a dark age for the people they subdued.
V. C. Bhutani
February 6, 2013 3:50 am
I shall wait for the other two parts before writing. I am delighted with this paper.
February 6, 2013 3:51 am
If I understand the history correctly, Mughal period was before 1947. So, it cannot be golden period of Pakistan (that only came into existence in 1947). It is interesting to see Indians flocking this newspaper site in great numbers immersed in their success and making fun of Pakistan's backwardness. Pakistan's golden period is yet to come. I hope and pray Pakistan survives and improves to see its golden period.
Just Guess
February 6, 2013 3:52 am
Delusions can be so powerful in obscuring the reality.
February 6, 2013 3:52 am
Dear Haider Sahib, I am an Indian and I am sure that many Indians will like this article and shower praise on you and that is nothing but how Indians look at Pakistani problem. In fact many Indians like to read such article about Pakistan because reading about Pakistani problem give them lot of pleasure and peace but at the same time my fellow Indians ignore the problems of casteism, social justice, honor and dowry killing in India. For many Indians you are a true intellectual and Javed Naqvi is a traitor and for many Pakistanis you are a traitor and Javed Naqvi is a true intellectual person. And this come out of deep rooted hate. How can we get rid of this deep rooted hate?
February 6, 2013 3:53 am
Shan Sohail, I am a Pakistani citizen and I think this blog is great. The sooner Pakistan gets rid of mullah-military nexus, the better. I have seen dozens of countries and societies. I am clear in my mind that Pakistanis need to change and improve a lot of things. It is high time we start.
February 6, 2013 3:56 am
Rajesh, I wish Pakistanis were as wise you are on a simple matter. Being against terrorism and misuse of religion, I feel sad for being a minority in Pakistan.
February 6, 2013 3:56 am
Can't agree more.
New Delhi
February 6, 2013 3:58 am
"we are best" concept is excellent tool of self satisfactions of educated pakistani.
February 6, 2013 3:59 am
I could not help applauding DAWN and the author on publishing this article. If such introspection reflects a developing trend then one can feel positively about the future of Pakistan.
February 6, 2013 4:13 am
The choice is simple, if Pakistan is to prosper in the 21st century, it has has to set its priorities right. If there are signs that part of our establishment is at least is thinking of it, it is a start. Agree with the author that it is not an easy journey back to sanity....
February 6, 2013 4:26 am
Time has proved Iqbal and Jinnah wrong... If Muslims in subcontinent were different than the rest of the masses then why is it that 1) There are more Muslims in India than in Pak. 2) Why are muslims of different sects safer in India than in Pakistan 3) Why most Indian Muslims do not want to go to Pakistan (If given a choice) in spite of having difficulties in INDIA... YOU GUYS ARE SCREWED, AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT...
Sam T
February 6, 2013 4:26 am
Bravo, finally a true statement from a brave man. Had the British India not divided into two nations, India would have been a super power in the world right now.? The founders of Pakistan were not good politician or good Muslims. By dividing British India, they divided Muslims living i three countries, some in Pakistan, some in now live in Bengladesh and some in India. All Muslims together living in a single country would have give them .a de facto majority or near majority to control the government. Now,,I am afraid that a lot of water has gone down the river in both countries . Hindu will not accept the influx of Muslims in India. So, Pakistan has to live ,survive or disintegrate by itself.
south indian
February 6, 2013 4:38 am
whoever named this paper' DAWN' should be proud of it.i used to visit DAWN every day and it never fails to amuse me.that is the power of pen.i equate dawn with our own is not for dawn publishing negative comment of pakistan. in spite of all the problems (same as india) PAKISTAN never lost hope of full democracy.we have had 3wars with pakistan , still i like pakistan hockey team and cricket players very much.the blame should rest with our eye opening article.keep it up .DAWN.before my death i want to see india and pakistan live in peace for ever.
February 6, 2013 5:46 pm
Still you have not learned lesson from history. found new mentor & ready to work for them.
February 6, 2013 2:40 pm
Very well said. I am surprised that a Pakistani was allowed to comment.
February 6, 2013 4:44 am
If someone is not aware of Pakistan's problem and reasons behind consistent nightmare across the whole country,simply read above comment and get answers in short.Typical Ostrich like behaviour.
February 6, 2013 2:37 pm
I doubt India and Pakistan can be friends the forces that bind India and Pakistan is weaker than forces that separate India and Pakistan.I completely believe in your jinnah that we can come together. We are opposite poles which never meet. We cant be friends and its not in our benefit to be enemies we have a wall between and the wall will stay put at its place always.
February 6, 2013 4:54 am
your writing style remind me of Dr. Ali Shariati... great write-up sir !
February 6, 2013 4:57 am
Ha Ha Quite Funny :)
February 6, 2013 5:08 am
Imran, you must be born after december 1971........:)
February 6, 2013 5:08 am
After reading this blog, I read couple of more blogs from the writer. I sincerely feel that Pakistan has lots of better writers/columnists/analysts than what we have in India. Also in media, people like Najam Sethi are much more matured and analyze issues constructively compared to the analysts we have. We have lots of tamashewale. Bravo Folks!!!
February 6, 2013 5:21 am
how would it affect people of pakistan, if Soviets were there?????
February 6, 2013 5:21 am
Very impressed. Sometimes it is good to listen to the bitter Truth than heading towards failure.I am very happy we as a indian are getting very secular and united despite variations. I wish my neighbors realize this and bring shanti and aman to their home. Indian always learned since participation in 1947 that we need to play our own tune not the tunes played for or by other country. This is the only reason we were never droned by any country.
February 6, 2013 5:53 pm
An understandable protective reflex. Pakistan can not afford to trust India, ever.
February 6, 2013 5:25 am
Time will tell who defeated whom but right now Pakistan is burning in the glory of USSR war.
February 6, 2013 5:27 am
you forgot to give your reasons why you think it is a very one sided argument so far…please enlighten us
February 6, 2013 5:30 am
Secularist are fanatics in Pakistan... wow.
farideh zivary
February 6, 2013 5:43 am
You start with Narendra Modi and RSS.
Umesh Gupta
February 6, 2013 5:47 am
I agree with Sohail. When nothing much can be done why write such articles. India and Pakistan both are separate nations and should mind their businesses. May be some day we learn to live like US and Canada.
February 6, 2013 5:57 am
1. History shows us that imperial powers always tried 'divide and conquer' to achive their interest, and Iqbal and Jinnah could be a victim of that. Proof of that is, immediately after partition Jinnah is sidelined. 2. "Pakistan was far more wealthier, superior ( both economically and militarily ) nation than India..." - this was because Pakistan served interest of US, and hence money/arms was flowing in abundance. Also since US was behind Pakistan and protected it by other countries (like India) in UN and other platform, Pakistan felt it is superior. Proof of that is, since US is no longer backing pakistan... introspect your condition now. 3. "Besides, without Pakistan, the godless Soviets would still be ruling the world. So it wasn’t US that defeated USSR, it was Pakistan that defeated a mighty superpower, and the world needs to be forever grateful to us for that." - Ever heard "shoot oneself in the foot". You created sole superpower, and its sitting on your neck. Enjoy...
February 6, 2013 6:11 am
He doesn't say it was a mistake. All he says is that a small group of people were motivated, and then rallied the masses.
February 6, 2013 6:19 am
wow ...... you read the manipulated history of pakistan,
Prakash Rao
February 6, 2013 6:22 am
This article has been translated into Urdu and published in Dawn Urdu edition.
February 6, 2013 6:23 am
Shan, if Mr Haider had got support from his countrymen, you would see the country going in right direction. Low response means people are still not ready to adopt the broader mindset.
February 6, 2013 6:25 am
Excellent article !
February 6, 2013 6:27 am
Realisation comes a bit too late! You need to search for your own identity, which again is impossible for you.
February 6, 2013 6:29 am
May be take all the Muslims in India with you
February 6, 2013 9:29 am
my dear friend in which world you are living. Open your eyes & don't be Shekh chillliiii
February 6, 2013 6:35 am
I am a red blood Pakistani and I agree with with Mr.Haider. It is about time we hear the real truth and not the truth of vested interest in Pakistani establishment. M Khan
February 6, 2013 6:42 am
Same old cliche, same old rhetoric, I have been listening since I was born in Karachi in 1950. Lack of open mildness and critical evaluation of the events before the partition of India.
anil tiwari
February 6, 2013 6:50 am
Pakistanis will require to learn the truth. In this land (which is now Pakistan) they can prosper only if they learn to love & respect the Hindus. After 1857, the English deliberately downgraded Muslims and kept them away from modern knowledge & education. The English further fanned hatred among Hindus & Muslims as any amenity between these communities was not conducive for continuation of British power. At the time of independence there were several Muslims living with nostalgia of the bygone Muslim empires. They were not modern enough to compete and wanted the olden days to return. A feudal life suited them. Pakistan was created by several such persons including ones ones who were total outsiders and had no love for the new country. Even in the near times persons like Bhutto & Musharraf after migrating from India created more problems than they solved. I hope some day there will come a leader who will be strong enough to smoother the feeling of bitterness.
February 6, 2013 6:51 am
Imran Sahab, please tell us how you got your time machine to travel from a hundred years ago into 2013 and enlighten us so!
February 6, 2013 6:52 am
And you are correct. plz try to defeat the TTP and the world would indeed be grateful to u
February 6, 2013 6:53 am
Dawn is advocating against Pakistan. And projeting Indian views. Killing the Hindu is fundamental to Pakistan's survival. Should Dawn continues along such lies and will regret it. The editor certainly wiil. We guarantee it, in time.
February 6, 2013 6:54 am
We will be eliminating his tribe and pushers. Lolz.
February 6, 2013 6:55 am
Outstanding article Sir. Please keep the good work on.
February 6, 2013 6:57 am
Looks more like mind control propaganda against Pakistan and its trusting people. Does not pass muster with the aware and discerning among us.
February 6, 2013 6:58 am
Great Article Mobarak..Hope more and more people in Pakistan read it and understand the Tenor.If Pakistan reinvents itself, this one Article can be surely part of the success story. Congratulations Dawn..!
February 6, 2013 6:58 am
As you may see this pge and article is loaded with Indian agenda.
February 6, 2013 6:59 am
Dear Imran, I've lived in a Gulf country for 8 years and have many close Pakistani friends. My Pakistanis friends also feel that they have more in common with Indians, esp. from North than with Arabs (language, food habits, social & cultural values, love for cricket & bollywood and so on). On one hand you are taking credit for fall of 'Godless' Soviets but on the other hand another 'Godless' country is your closest friend. Anyway fall of Soviet Union was not good for the world since it created US monopoly. Regards,
February 6, 2013 5:42 pm
Sir how do you relate this i completely fail to understand "....................This brought absolute power to our GHQ and finally served American plans"
One Reader
February 6, 2013 7:01 am
Excellent observation. They are sittingon our watersupply and talking peace. Oh the hypocrisy!
February 6, 2013 7:01 am
Absolute and total propaganda.
February 6, 2013 7:10 am
Good one. You must be Indian.
February 6, 2013 7:13 am
Emperor Akbar was ruler of India, long before Pakistan was created. I believe Pakistan's golden age is yet to come. So far, most Pakistanis would agree that the best period was the rule of Gen Ayub Khan from 1958 to 68.
Arias M.
February 6, 2013 7:15 am
Ha, ha, ha. He is preaching to the choir and getting the expected feedback and applaud from it.
February 6, 2013 7:18 am
Why are Pakistani killing each other, shooting school girls,
Abdullah Hussain
February 6, 2013 5:34 pm
The basketful of congratulatory comments from the Indian readers shows clearly that the article by the author was an attempt to post one side of the picture whereas the truth demands full & fair analysis of the relationship between India & Pakistan. Peace with India can only be possible when the core issues are settled. In my opinion it is a waste of time & energy to think of good relationship in the presence of core irritants. The off again & on again attitude of India is not helping. Both Civil & military leadership of Pakistan have always contributed towards restoration of good relationship with India on equal terms. The Indian leadership has to respond favourably. Pakistan will never & should never accept Indian hegemony, India has to understand this quite well.
February 6, 2013 7:25 am
Because those are the realities and start believing them, the sooner you understands, the better is the prospect of brighter future for our next generation. Also take it grunted, there is no way we can peruse religious fanaticism for longer.
February 6, 2013 7:25 am
Haider Sahib a very well articulated and thought out article. Agree with you 100%.
February 6, 2013 7:26 am
secular fanatic , is such a thing possible- maybe in Pakistan?
February 6, 2013 7:27 am
This is the bitter truth which Mr. Mobarak is courageously adminstering to Pakistanis. Take it friends for a better tomorrow.
February 6, 2013 7:29 am
No paranoia. The Casts are many. Constructed to subdue, exploit, enslave, blackmail the masses forever. English spellings are fixed but their fate of the lower Castes is.
raja hindustani
February 6, 2013 9:16 am
nice fantasy.. :)
Acullo C.
February 6, 2013 7:32 am
The pen and words are not his. Handed to him for a return. Obvious...a scholar is never so one sided, prtial, biased.
February 6, 2013 7:34 am
Frank and bold...! More like contrived tortured disinformation.
Sam Veet
February 6, 2013 7:34 am
Do not completely agree with the contents of this article. Though religious overtones are embedded in Pakistan's psyche, they are not the deciding factor. In the presence of so many religious parties and leadership, not one of them have ever claimed authority in terms of governance in Pakistan. They are merely chinks in the armor that promise some respite and hope to turn to for the despondent Pakistanis when the inefficacy of the political outfit is exposed time and again. Also it's unwise to say that the Muslim ruling class and the maulana were alone responsible for the demand of a separate homeland. They might have played on the insecurity of the public only because the fears and concerns of the aam muslim junta were justified. There are enough records, documentaries and news reports that highlight the need for a separate homeland arose due to the widespread mistreatment of the Muslims by the Hindus where the latter considered themselves to be superior in every way. (A scenario very much prevalent in India even today and I dare anyone living in India to honestly deny that). It was obviously going to strike a chord with the populace and further religious stoking from both sides laid the foundation for a new state modeled on religious lines.
Jeff Gerrt
February 6, 2013 7:41 am
I am curious that there are no opposing critical comments to this author. Are historical and Muslim scholars being deleted or discouraged to comment? The article and one sided comments from certain quarters appear contrived, structured and suspicious. I have lost confidence in this author Dawn seems to be pushing..
George B.W.
February 6, 2013 7:52 am
This appears to in line with other articles and authors down grading Jinnah, Pakistan, Islam, Muslim culture in general that I have been reading in Dawn. I am 31 years old systems analyst and studying to convert to Islam and reading all I can from all over the World. What I have read in Dawn essentially appears to be pushing agendas and not dicussing both sides of the equation...there are always two sides and when one is pushed too much the discerning reader is revolted. Thank you for allowing me to comment. Peace be with you all.
Sheikh chilli
February 6, 2013 9:11 am
Wah wah brilliant analysis of the current state of affairs in Pakistan. This is seriously heavy duty intellectual thinking. Salute. You have absolutely nailed the very reason for Pakistan's existence for better or for worse.
February 6, 2013 7:55 am
India Phobia
Kuladeep Patil
February 6, 2013 7:58 am
it is nice to know there are some patriotic people like you living in pakistan who know true enemy...
February 6, 2013 7:58 am
Lately I saw only our youth falling prey to the inferiority complex against India but now after going through this article the snr and educated citizens like Mr Mubarak is also suffering from same complex... its a pity...
February 6, 2013 8:14 am
Wonderful and Insightful Article ! Not expecting this from a Pakistani Newspaper. Editor is really brave to voice his frank and honest opinions in a country ruled by Islamic extremists.
February 6, 2013 8:21 am
I am glad you are awake. I'd rather snooze on this one.
February 6, 2013 8:24 am
You gotta be kidding. India is the most racist country in the world.
Bikkar S BRAR
February 6, 2013 9:06 am
Dear Haider Sahib, One can judge the maturity of a nation from the quality and language used by the readers in their comments in such balanced articles/. Jinnah, always wanted what you are asking for. Leaders hang his photograph above their head in their office and yet do not care about his dreams about Pakistan. Congratulation to you and the DAWN for such debate. BRAR
February 6, 2013 8:29 am
I want one CLARIFICATION- Who are actually NON-STATE ACTORS. Had they come from the SKY..? Rehman malik should clear this doubt of the CIVILIZED WORLD.
February 6, 2013 4:43 pm
Muslim League members thought that they are the inheritors of Mughal empire, so they are the rightful rulers of the whole sub-continent and majority Hindus should play second fiddle. But in democracy majority rules, which didn't suit them. They wanted Muslim majority parts to be seperated from India for them. So they formed Pakistan with eastern & western parts. Eastern Part had majority of the seats, but when Awami League won majority in elections Punjabi dominated administration & political leaders of the western part didn't want to be ruled by the ""lowly dark bengalis"". Sheik Mujibur Rehman was not allowed to rule and they revolted to become Bangladesh. No wonder democracy didn't suceed in Pakistan. Sunni Punjabi Pakistanis think they are superior and do not want to share power with other groups in Pakistan
Shankar Bandyopadhay
February 6, 2013 8:38 am
If that is the case then the 'Muslims of the subcontinent' have overwhelmlighly turned down the idea of Pakistan..because the majority of them remained in India...a small fraction actually chose to move to Pakistan for "safe sanctuary". So Pakistan is in substance a "safe sanctuary" for Muslims of Punjab and Sindh and not for the subcontinent. There was also East Pakistan but I guessed the "safe sanctuary" stuff did not work out for them too well. One thing I have realised about you guys (from Pakistan) due to severe conditioning of society most of you show the Ostrich symptom and objectivity of thought is something your ancestors left behind in India during partition.
February 6, 2013 9:03 am
yet another graduate from Dr. Zaid Hamid College Of Defence
February 6, 2013 8:46 am
Well written article. I think the reason why the general population of Pakistan has suffered more than their Indian counterparts is that the Pakistani government (whether a democratic establishment or military administered) never came up with strict norms clipping the wings of the aristocrats and the elite, probably because many heads belonged to that class- (Sharif and Zardari are billionaires). The land reforms brought in India was extremely necessary to ensure equitable distribution of wealth and for ensuring the end of zamindari domination. Moreover, I believe the biggest set back that Pakistan suffered was the demise of Md Ali Jinnah within months of creation of Pakistan, leaving behind no single strong leader who could take country forward. India on the other hand was lucky to have been under the leadership of Jawaharlal Nehru and other freedom fighters for the 15 years after independence. Also Nehru learnt a lesson from Pakistan's first military coupe- never let any one faction of the military force be the supreme force. In India, once can say that the Air Force and the Army are more or less at the same level, in terms of power, with the army probably having a little bit of an edge. The Navy too has since the 70s come more or less at par with the other two factions. By keeping the 3 factions of the defense forces at equilibrium and under different leadership, it was not possible for any one of them, especially the army, too usurp power from the people. However, India too has had its share of problems under Indira Gandhis- nationalization, censorship, emergency, etc. Even the judiciary had almost bowed down to her, till a Supreme Court Justice, Justice Khanna, had the courage to stand up against the government and create a pathway for the complete independence of the judiciary from the executive and the legislature. As an Indian I hope Pakistani populus stands up to its internal enemies. I believe that if Pakistan is able to quell extremists and miscreants within Pakistan can there be a fruitful dialogue between India and Pakistan on peace, harmony and growth. People on both sides should understand that these extremists (whether in India or Pakistan) do not have a religion or a country. They are power hungry and blind to any sense of morality and all they care about is their own betterment.
February 6, 2013 8:47 am
I am sorry to have burst your bubble but almost 90% of Indian muslims before pakistan was formed were Hindu/Budhist/Jain CONVERTS. You guys don't have different DNAs. Practically you were converts.
S. Qureshi
February 6, 2013 8:49 am
It was Pakistan that defeated a mighty superpower... Joke of the century...
Akil Akhtar
February 6, 2013 11:07 pm
well said
Akil Akhtar
February 6, 2013 11:13 pm
Widely spoken and understood in india and indian minds.... I am proud of Pakistan and thankful to my previous generation for giving us the freedom of our land. I am a Punjabi and this land belongs to me, maybe the Author has no roots in this say something like this
Akil Akhtar
February 6, 2013 11:16 pm
All these indians showing their pleasure at the article will hound the author out of india if anyone does that...haven't we seen that already
Akil Akhtar
February 6, 2013 11:35 pm
and whats teh point....If they were worshipping idols it does not mean we have anything in common with the hindus today...
Akil Akhtar
February 6, 2013 11:40 pm
Ask the 2000 Muslims killed in Gujrat if they felt safer...
February 7, 2013 12:30 am
Fortunately for Jinnah, he died of natural causes. Look at Liaqat Ali. Same fate would have met Jinnah had he lived longer. Pakistani politicians are a different breed, Madam!
February 7, 2013 3:06 am
suppose if your left brain says X and right says Y. What would you expect from others? Judge you on action :). Think of what you said regarding "Fundamentalist" view and "Dot Huggers!" and decide for yourself! For outsiders Pakistan is one entity.
February 7, 2013 3:08 am
Pakistan, although claimed that it was for Muslims, was created out of fear for democracy and the fear of feudal landlords, who were more worried about losing their huge landholdings because of Congress commitment to land reforms. That fear has resulted in denial of power to Awami league, which won majority of seats in Pakistan, leading to break up. This is continuing in Pakistan and is the major cause of all problems, where poor are becoming poorer and feudal landlords continue to rule and loot the country.
February 7, 2013 4:19 am
More means equal to Hindu
February 7, 2013 4:21 am
It was not division but independence
February 7, 2013 4:51 am
we are smaller in numbers but feel strongly that time has come to unify India and pakistan . In true sense democracy and secularism will prevail when Hindu and muslims will be comparable in numbers. in india also the secularism will be tested when more muslims will be included by unifying pakistan and India
Tarun Arora
February 7, 2013 4:53 am
O.K.very good.Nobody in India is asking to consider us friend.If you consider India and Indians as enemy,please carry on and continue to live in enmity forever.
February 7, 2013 5:25 am
Very good article, today we are realizing and understanding what went wrong after so much tragedy has taken place. Nothing but plain wisdom is required to change for the better.
Tarun Arora
February 7, 2013 5:34 am
Haha,very superior and strong country.Already destroyed one super power(USSR)and on the way to destroy another(USA),but cannot fight Taliban.Haha.
February 7, 2013 5:49 am
Happy that we have not become someone's headache, unlike Pakistan
February 7, 2013 5:59 am
You wanted Pakistan 1947 where millions lost their land and lives. It was darkest time in south Asian history. This was all based on some insane justification and day dreaming. Those million lives would have been living far superior than the people in this day Pakistan. Pls ask yourselves why and for what?
February 7, 2013 6:38 am
Well said!! Fully agree with your words “General Zia encouraged these violent hordes to make money through crime and drugs. That might have exposed them to international buyers with greater rewards than Pakistan could offer”. Waiting for next article!!!
February 7, 2013 6:51 am
I can only write about India as I know about it. We never got independence. White sahibs left and then brown sahibs became our masters. We are still slave to the top 1 percent who are politicians, wealthy and the pseudo religious. We the common people of India are crushed under their weight. They control TV, newspapers and magazines. We do not know what is the truth. Thanks to internet that we can read other news outlets. We do not want to see a neighbor`s house on fire as it will burn our house as well. We wish and pray for the prosperity of brothers and sisters of Pakistan. Our politicians will do lot of drama and rhetoric before parliament elections of 2014.
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