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Figuring Qasim: How Pakistan was won

Ever since the 1980s, many Pakistani school text books have unflappably claimed that the history of Pakistan does not start from 14 August 1947, but from the date Arab warrior, Muhammad Bin Qasim, conquered Sindh in the 8th Century …

Though most true Pakistani patriots believe this, they differ on some of the details as to exactly how Qasim achieved this wonderful feat of gifting the world with what has gone on to become one of the finest, strongest and most pious Islamic republics in the whole wide world.

For example, according to the famous intellectual/historian/scholar/long-haired-guy, Zaid Hamid, Pakistan actually came into being the moment Muhammad Bin Qasim was born.

Zaid suggests that Qasim’s birth symbolises the birth of Pakistan and thus, Pakistan actually came into being on 31 December, 695 AD.

Zaid Hamid is known to celebrate Pakistan’s Day of Independence on 31 December instead of 14 August. He does this by resolving to plant the victorious Pakistan flag in India, China, Iran, US, UK, Kirghizstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and Balochistan.

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The greatest Islamic political party in the whole wide ummah, the Jamat-e-Islami (JI), also believes that Pakistan’s creation goes back to the days of Muhammad Bin Qasim’s rule in Sindh in the 8th century.

But JI claims that Qasim was initially against creating Pakistan because there were just too many Hindus, Buddhists, Jain and Liberal Fascists in Sindh.

However, after the religious scholars in his entourage had successfully converted many non-Muslims, Qasim realised that most of the converts had distorted the faith and were erecting minarets over their places of worship and calling them mosques.

Qasim was outraged. He sacked Sindh all over again, demolished the minarets and declared the creation of Pakistan. He also banned all food products made by the heretics.

His heroics made his fans begin to call him ‘Boom, Boom Qasim.’ According to JI the roots of the present day name ‘Boom, Boom Afridi’ can be found in this event.

Famous theological cricket theoretician, Inzimamul Haq agrees: ‘Fusst of all, thanks to Qasim Bhai, his boys play very well, conquering Sindh in overcast conditions, and jubilee-ous jubilation of victory make boys jumping and calling brother Qasim, Boom Boom Qasim, just fusst must like today’s peoples of ummah calls pious manly mans likes Afridi, Boom Boom Afridi …’

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Though not entirely disagreeing with the JI, the Difa-e-Pakistan Council (DPC) claims that Qasim was chosen by the security chief of the Caliph in Iraq to lead a long march into Sindh to block the supply route of Christian and Jew forces that were using Sindh to transport weapons against the Caliphate.

DPC historians say that Qasim gathered the healthiest ulema (especially around the waist) and formed an organisation called Al-Difa-ul-Bakistan (also called NUTO), and led a long march to Sindh.

After successfully blocking the infidels’ supply route, Qasim and his healthy men fought a jihad against the Hindu rulers of Sindh and then went on to create Pakistan.

Famous theological cricket theoretician, Inzimamul Haq agrees: ‘Fusst of all, thanks to Qasim bhai, his fat boys bat well, killing yahood-o-nisara-o-Hinds, after long long marches, left-right, left-right, thanks to camels, boys block infidels’ goods that where actually bads, and fusst and lusst thanks to brother Qasim, Pakistan Zindabad was made …’

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Interestingly, the Pakistan military also has its own version of how Qasim created Pakistan.

It suggests that Pakistan was created by General Muhammad Bin Qasim after he defeated the Hindu army.

But it claims that Qasim’s troops first quietly (and strategically) entered Afghanistan thus giving itself depth from which it moved into Kashmir.

Just why Qasim did that is not explained but the military says it had something to do with ‘strategic depth.’

So after entering Afghanistan and then Kashmir, Qasim’s army strategically came down to Sindh. Then from Sindh it sailed back to Iraq.

Military historians say this was a brilliant strategic and in-depth move by the Arab general and it was this move that helped him sail back to Sindh, conquer it, declare the creation of Pakistan and rule it as General Qasim-e-Azam.

Many non-military historians are still confused as to why on earth would Qasim take his army from Sindh to Afghanistan, then to Kashmir and from Kashmir to Sindh, back to Iraq and from Iraq back to Sindh.

‘Strategic depth, dammit!’ says the military.

But the great Gandhian yoga master and Amresh Puri fan, Bal Thakrey disagrees: ‘What is this funda, no? Pakijtan not created by Qajim. Pakijtan not created at all. All was and is Ram Raj. Qajim was pakka badhmash. Couldn’t even dance, no? Should have come to Gujrat. But now these goondahs say Pakiijtan is reality. Chalo, never mind. Ganda hai par dhanda hai ye …’

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Famous cricketer-turned-politician-turned-revolutionary-weather-phenomenon, Imran Khan, finds all Qasim theories far-fetched. He says that Pakistan was solely created by Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

However, he does concede that the ideological basis for a future Islamic state in the region was laid down by Qasim.

Talking on a TV show he said: ‘Daikhien, Hamid, aap koh nahi pata, Muhammad Bin Qasim was such an inspiration for Jinnah and Iqbal and Pasha and me. He swept across the Arabian Sea like a tsunami and crashed over Sindh, sweeping the elections and forming the first Islamic Welfare State in the sub-continent.’

When asked that didn’t this mean that Pakistan was created by Qasim, Khan said: ‘Daikhien, Hamid, aap koh nahi pata, Qasim was a Jinnah of his time, even though he was a bit younger than Jinnah and had healthier lungs. Jinnah and Iqbal and Pasha and me all want to finally turn comrade Qasim’s vision of making this land that he liberated from Hindu imperialists, Nato forces and liberal scum, into a prosperous Islamic welfare state - like Singapore and South Korea.’

When told that Singapore and South Korea were not Islamic, Khan said: ‘Daikhien, Hamid, aap ko nahi pata …’

‘Nahi, sab aap hi koh pata hai.’

‘Haan, that’s true. So, dekhien Hamid, aap koh nahi pata, every human being in this world, except liberal scum and Sarfraz Nawaz, is a Muslim. Of course, we are better Muslims, but Jinnah and Iqbal and Pasha and me have decided to form an honourable, collective jirga that will work towards the creation of a Qasim-ist Islamic Welfare State.’

But when reminded that Jinnah and Iqbal were no more, Khan said: ‘See, this is the kind of negative thinking that is harming our cause. Just imagine that they are alive. Imagine that I have swept the elections.”

He added: ‘Deikhien, Hamid, aap koh nahi pata, Qasim actually came and liberated Sindh on a giant tsunami wave. There was a disturbance in the plate tectonics in the Caliphate’s GHQ in Iraq that triggered this tsunami and helped Qasim reach Sindh. In a two-pronged strategy, he slaughtered the Hindu oppressors but held a dialogue with radical Muslim Kharijites. Kharijites were beheading fellow Muslims because bad Muslims were helping Christian and Jew Crusaders carry drone attacks against them.’

When told there were no drones in the 8th century, Khan said: ‘See. This is the kind of negative thinking that is destroying our pride. Dakhien Hamid, aap koh nahi pata, there is now another tsunami rising on which, just like Qasim Tiger, Jinnah and Iqbal and Pasha and me will surf in and take over. Booyah, yo!’

 


Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com

 


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TeaSamosa.com
Jul 23, 2012 10:44am
Too funny :) Good job NP
saleem
Jul 19, 2012 01:26pm
yours start from 1979?
F K
Jul 19, 2012 02:26pm
Interestingly enough, some school board within conservative states within the US are trying to remove references to Thomas Jefferson, not because of the things you mentioned but becaues he was against Christianity.
Rashid
Jul 20, 2012 04:09pm
What can one say NFP rocks as always.
kyabaathaiNPki
Jul 19, 2012 02:54pm
TOTTALLY MIND BLOWING YAAAR!!!
kyabaathaiNPki
Jul 19, 2012 02:37pm
"It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes, and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other and, likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built for the government of such a state." by Muhammad Ali Jinnah
Nish
Jul 19, 2012 02:19pm
I wish you had told this to Salmaan Taseer (I hope the name is right).
Self content
Jul 19, 2012 02:16pm
I am surprised to read so many comments from across the border (or wherever) getting all excited about something totally to do with today's Pakistanis. It is surprising they spend so much time and energy on other people, when they have a huge load of their own. And there is some pretty twisted history also in these comments. What is really meant by "Pakistanis will have to admit that they are descendants of Hindus for the most part" ... I mean a nation is descendent of a religion!!! These semi-educated people should educate themselves before boring others. The earliest Hindu hymns were composed in Northern Punjab and Swat area - this is where earliest Sanskrit writings are traced. So actually the whole of India is spiritually and culturally descendent of Pakistanis. And oh yes, India is named after a river in .... ?
Romulus
Jul 19, 2012 02:29pm
What does mocking bin Qasim have to do with showing disrespect to your religion? He was just a warrior in the 8th century.
Kartik
Jul 20, 2012 03:06pm
So, lets say in a 100 years, someone like mr Modi in gujarat changes into a hindu rashtra, well am just being hypothetical, and then generations later, he should be considered a bro in "that" regard? I guess it is OK as long as our faith, our interests, our greed, our economy is taken care of. We have an issue only when the "other" seems to take advantage. Only problem is feeling superior, and taking any route to prevail. Peace!
Aziz Ali
Jul 19, 2012 09:29am
That is what every one and that is what everybody is doing. Have no clue of history but have torn their throat chanting and refrencing from history. In the name of Islam and religion what we have done to our face of Humanity and what we are doing. The most heart broken fact is that a new political party who is representing youth and fallowed by youth and whose followers are raoming like zombies in internet have chosen the same track and blindly screaming here and their. The party have no idea about the true need of the country in this era of history. that is, where we are standing and where we are being pushed. He has no shame while a banned party supporters whose hands are red with the blood of innocent people come and join his gathering proudly waving their flags. If they continue this path then they will be having equal shares in all the innocent killings in Quetta and all over Pakistan. Thumbs up NFP for the great piece
mangesh sird
Jul 20, 2012 11:06am
Balochisthan and not stan,was BALHIK for the ancient sanskrit writers of texts. ...and one more v imp info. Linguistically ,it is the only province in the north of Narmada river on Vindhyas to have a LIVING Dravid language BRAHUI ! This is not an INDO-European language . It is a dravid one ! Kandhahar was Gaandhaar for the Sanskrit scholars.
Sarvjit
Jul 19, 2012 01:58pm
Interesting....writer has sense of humor. Mian Jee, picutre depicting blowing away pof the fortress wall is actually a SIKH painting. Khalsa Nishan Parcham can be seen in the background and all Sikh Soldiers are wearing Kirpans. Most likely seige of Multan led by Hari Singh and Sikh Artillery was led by Muslim Generals of the Khalsa Army. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh!!
Kdspirited
Jul 19, 2012 02:34pm
Dear Socrates you are trying to mix cultural heritage with religion. We belong to the same region but clearly not the same religion. The Indus valley civilization that we all come from had many religions not just hinduism. But some people chose Islam when the subcontinent was inviaded. So their parents could have been hindus buddhists, sikhs, even muslims who cam with the invaders. We have kailash which is part of Pakistan where people still worship the ancient greek gods. Please refrain from making sweeping statements like this and distorting history. Hence the point of this article
Yawar
Jul 19, 2012 02:18pm
All hail the king of satire in a country that has very little concept of it. Kudos NFP. You are way ahead of time.
sabi
Jul 19, 2012 10:04am
a great satire,exploison of lahghters but a harsh realty too.very good explained by paracha as usual islamic history and for that matter mohammad bin qasim role has been exagerated by some low level novalists to sell their books.these novels got their popularity in our society deprived of good writers.and the imapact of this exagerated history is so huge that nothing satisfies this nation but any thing with a mix of exgerations.pure truth is a rude shock for this poor volk .this dominant class inspired by such novalists has no nerves to absorb such shocks.pathetic!
Zeb
Jul 19, 2012 10:03am
hhahaha very nice dekein aap ko nahi pata lolzzzz lmao .
Essjay
Jul 19, 2012 02:55pm
'Dakhiye aap ko nahi pata kee aap ko pata hai kee yeh article Great hai.
siddiq karim
Jul 19, 2012 01:34pm
wow! Fantastic.
hariharmani
Jul 19, 2012 01:34pm
Raja Dahir fought as well as he could,but the populus had not been invaded for thousands of years so they were not the type of out fit to resist effectively.Nations as we understand did not exist in sub-continent at least not before 1947,they were small kingdom,if they got invaded,it was their problem,no one else helped.End of story.If you think(the Dawn),saying historical fact is reflection on any religion,this my last comment in Dawn,you can not run nation on sensoring,on whim.Good bye,have nice day
Mountie
Jul 19, 2012 01:51pm
You are not Muslim because someone invaded your country and forced people to convert on force of army! If anything be greatful to the sufi waalis in your region who spread the word of God with beautiful poetry and actions. Take an example of europe especially Spain where people were forced to become Muslims. Nowall the mosques have been demolished or converted into churches.
M Khan
Jul 19, 2012 01:36pm
It is said that Muhammad bin Qasim came to Sindh looking for Sadaat. Raja Dahir gave refuge to Sadaat who had escaped persecution at the hands of the Caliph of that time..
self content
Jul 19, 2012 02:22pm
Ok, so Pakistanis started Hinduism, then they found something better and moved on. Is this the point! Or the point is that we can't accept reality!!!
Sam
Jul 19, 2012 02:24pm
Hilarious Article...But interesting to note, you have taken the hammer to the Army, Imran Khan and the Islamic parties, but what about the ones that have members in the current Parliament, specifically the PPP and the MQM. As a journalist, you need to be neutral, not a leftist, Mr NF Paracha!!
Agha Ata
Jul 19, 2012 01:59pm
Nadeem did it without thinking that he was doing it. I am sure. He is not a religious fanatic or a bigot. But being a good man, if he still says "I am sorry.” Or "I apologize." That would be very beautiful of him. :)
zeeshan
Jul 19, 2012 02:39pm
Agha sahib have you ever demand for an apology when Nadeem F paracha intentionally write offensive against many Muslims? now he has done offensive (which i m sure he has done unintentionally) to hindus you demand apology at once. what do you want to prove?
Rafi
Jul 19, 2012 10:36am
I don't think it is wise to photoshop the ruler of Dubai over a wrestler given the claims of decency made by NFP
Fahad
Jul 19, 2012 10:35am
Astaghfirullah. Muhammad Bin Qasim R.A. was a tiba tabaeen.
Speakeasy
Jul 20, 2012 04:51pm
Read http://www.amitavghosh.com/essays/love_war.html on Babar. May give you some insight into the man, his mind and times. Babar ruled what became a part of India/Pakistan, unlike others before him, who extracted wealth through the more direct means prevalent at that time, to carry off to whatever they called home. The Europeans pillaged in the guise of 'civilising', the savage, legitimising loot through written laws. As to Mr. Butt's original question on how Qasim or Dahir are viewed, over 99% of Indians haven't even heard of them, and frankly couldn't care less. As a people, we are largely ahistorical- after all what is history but just your way of remembering the past. And the same past can be remembered(re-membered?) by different people differently. The Hindu right is obsessed with history in what can be called a literal manner. Their kings fly in chariots and fight alongside gods. One can find quite a few of them debating the existence of rocket science in Vedic times. Interpreting the wonderful stories that contribute to the making of culture and tradition metaphorically, just doesn't cross their minds. Ramzan Mubarak to all readers and may we find lasting peace in our time. Khuda Hafiz.
@GreyDoesMatter
Jul 19, 2012 02:08pm
That's why Pakistan is struggling to find their true identity.
Rafi
Jul 19, 2012 01:18pm
No problems for me but no more Dubai trips for NFP....... Lol
saleem
Jul 19, 2012 01:19pm
I did not know that you have been bestowed the rights to judge others patriotism and faith. Wah je wah kya baat hai
DS
Jul 19, 2012 10:29am
The stuff that is taught in your schools is all sense, isn't it?
Noor
Jul 19, 2012 10:22am
You are spot on
Haris Manzoor
Jul 19, 2012 10:13am
This Nation Really Needs YOU! :)
Sandip
Jul 20, 2012 03:27pm
I am sure you have not heard about them but do a little research on the following names please! 1. Sayeed Mujtaba Ali 2. Kazi Nazrul Islam. 3. Mulana Azad Once you are done I will provide a few other names
Hitesh
Jul 19, 2012 10:25am
The picture depicting "Dahir and his adviser" is actually of God Shiva(The Highest God "Mahadev") and Parvati(his wife). I don't take it offensive. But it should be considered as a sample that even a person like Nadeem can poke fun at other religions. Will you dare the same for your most revered Icons ?And if such thing happened how many innocent Muslim and Non-muslim would be killed ?
Ghani K. Niazi
Jul 20, 2012 03:38pm
Nadeem F. Biracha cannot decide between his roots in Punjab or Sindh ? Secular or socialist.
syam
Jul 20, 2012 04:19pm
We should think over it...rightly said
mateen mirza
Jul 20, 2012 04:05pm
Folks, take the contents of this column as good hearted humour and don't get too hung up on the details. It is important that politicians refrain from rhetoric and must stick to the issues of daily life. If not, political columnists will find them easy prey as material to write humour.
azam
Jul 20, 2012 03:20pm
Dawn is a Qadiyani, Jewish anti Pakistan, anti Islam paper, so many Indian and Ahmadi articles clearly defines your true values I wonder how can you be let ridiculing Pakistan and its patriots. Mohammad bin Qasim was a blessing on the people of Sub continent, his conquest of this region was the advent of Islam to this part of the world, but what would you secular so called intellectuals know about this, shame on you
zubairahmed
Jul 22, 2012 04:14pm
this is the history u read from ur pak study text books.
Anna
Jul 19, 2012 10:04am
pity u NFP. Read the true history for your knowledge before you pick up your crooked pen.
kashif saif dhillon
Jul 19, 2012 10:38am
excellent article.., in a very humourus manners paracha have shed light on the mentality of our countrymen but why he has not touched zardri and nawaz it s beyond our thinking...,
ahmad butt
Jul 19, 2012 10:39am
I have waited and read through the comments; none have grabbed my attention, just mud-slinging going on between who is fascist or liberal, or the intoxication level on NF Paracha when he penned this article. C’mon folks don’t make this a punch bag forum rather credit him for using satire and encrypt a few shortcomings on what devoured Pakistan is in its current form, or logically counter-argue some of his distasteful remarks. Hope Dawn doesn’t censor off my comments now. It is a matter of strictest interpretation on defining the history of the land; I am curious how the Indians view raja dahir and muhammad bin qasim and am looking forward for some honest remarks if they can provide us reference from their textbooks or opinion based on how India has shaped up after partition. I think all the invasions rulers are meant to impose their ideology,religion,etc we just happen to have a young arab who stepped in the subcontinent , If the Spanish and Portuguese were able to make it to the sub-continent before the British they would’ve done the same as they did to South America in the 15th century. Not having that happen, if Tipu Sultan trusted the French general Napoleon, who knows where our course of history would have taken us, the sub-continent would be under post mughal rule with a muslim emperor or power sharing with the hindus, or the French could’ve used the rebels to weaken the British and take over themselves as the colonial masters( then we would be debating in French). As for the creation of Pakistan and India, having a group discussion with the hated minority from both countries (liberal anti-war hippies ) one gentleman calmly said that it is ironic that only a handful people in the sub-continent ever pondered that both Jinnah and Ghandi were Gujrati, studied law in the UK . A coincidence? Both had no political background. Gandhi couldn’t handle law and left the practice, he was somehow imported from South Africa, and Jinnah being a liberal suddenly did a u-turn (as they say to a famous cricketer cum politician) on the Indian congress and became prominent in the Muslim league. So was the creation of two countries part of the British Empire and its legacy to leave them bickering in their own worlds while they progress, or two nation theory our desire to start with? After all, people of both the religion live in both countries? As well the Kurds were revenged from Crusades , their land is divided between Iran, Turkey ,Syria, Iraq and the African countries as well. So the British will interpret their adventures as “white man’s burden”, and those who are the subject will offer resistance as being oppressed even though they cannot manage their own rule. I conclude, don’t blame the West or Arabs for our current problems, they have left us but with memories, it is upto our historians to coin history as to we learn from it, our leaders to leave a mark on our future generations and after Jinnah we are finding hard to find a transitional leader who can represent the country of post 1947; thus we are seeking inspiration of all sorts. Now NFP, i ask you , dont you think imran khan's version of a leader for Pakistan that you have stated in satire is the closest among the shot-gun approach of the other lot that you have mentioned?
Chanda Mamo
Jul 19, 2012 09:05am
Once again how do you get this stuff published in Pakistan's top selling newspaper?
Zahid Islam
Jul 19, 2012 09:26am
Qasim was, after all, the father of the hero of this satirical piece. Please use his full name, Mohammed bin Qasim, in future lampoons of this type.
kyabaathaiNPki
Jul 19, 2012 02:53pm
A person has to be high on something when one writes such articles as they seem to be the output of a genius mind which attains a high state of awareness when its body is intoxicated. Absolute genius!
mohammad arif
Jul 19, 2012 02:59pm
Satire and self criticism are very good when the real motives are honest and well intentioned.However, when we look at the picture captioned " baby bakistan ......." and figure out the face of a current ruler of Dubai, the intentions of the writer become clear. If we were dishonet then, we are dishonest now.
Self content
Jul 19, 2012 02:07pm
It is called freedom to choose, change your mind and to express!
Muhammad Ahmed Mufti
Jul 19, 2012 01:51pm
Another attempt by Dawn to demoralize Pakistanis. NP is one of the creators of term "Gharat Brigade", to me he and his liberal cohort are in the "Bay Gharat Brigade" NP is either a clueless with the sentiments of majority or he is on Dawn's mission to get the majority of nation into "Bay-Gharat Brigade". Go ahead and censor my comments.
historian
Jul 20, 2012 03:36pm
Of course Pakistan was not created by Qasim. It is the product of the colonial era. By the same token, so was India and every other nation. Nationalism is a modern construct. Read such works as Benedict Anderson's Imagined Communities. Either the legitimacy of all nations is in question, or none. Not Pakistan alone.
sabi
Jul 19, 2012 10:41am
and you from the opposit brand?
Luqman
Jul 19, 2012 10:42am
i'm sure you would have been fine had he photoshoped Zardari or Nawaz.
Luqman
Jul 19, 2012 10:42am
Also, why wasn't it "wise"?
Rubab Haiderr
Jul 19, 2012 10:45am
Its very hillarious.it was very difficult for me to stop laughing while reqading it .well done!
manish
Jul 19, 2012 10:53am
well, they are liberal with their publication of articles. but now with comments.
Aamir khanzada
Jul 19, 2012 10:53am
Bin Qasim was an invader he destroyed Sindh's ports
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 10:55am
Perhaps NFP school of though doesn't know what Teba Tabaeen means. Can you tell him its meaning when he will be able and willing to listen to you?
AHA
Jul 19, 2012 11:13am
@Naseer - So true. Nadeem is a frustration for people who are not used to the 'other side' of a discussion.
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 11:09am
Naa chhairr malangaan nuu
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 10:58am
This is only your interpretation of history
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 11:01am
This is because of the excellent professionalism of NFP
Shambay Baloch
Jul 19, 2012 12:35pm
All I can say a brilliant writing. Bravo, Nadeem for highligting the distorted history of Pakistan.
Raoul Ciao
Jul 20, 2012 03:52pm
thank God a bigot like Thakeray found mention finally alongwith the likes of the JI, and Uncle Zain "Laal Topi" Hamid. These joikers deserve each other.
Mateen Mirza
Jul 20, 2012 03:52pm
Hilarious. We need more of the same as daily politcal commentary. Brother Nadeem, you totally neglected to mention anything about the "ground reality" that Qasoo had to face when he arrived at Deebal. Now Qasoo, being a mahajir from his arab land laid the ground for the MQM (Mahajir Qasoo Mahaz). This discovery will allow Imran bhai in joining hands with MQM. In the days of Qasoo, Sindh was called Hind, however having found more sinners in the area a decision was made to change it to Sindh. Then Qasoo turned to the problem of Balochistan, wherein his first difficulty was with the letter "B". He corrected himself and told his folks that it should be spelled with a "P", since it is pronounced that way. It was not easy as locals had difficulty picking that up and Qasoo who was a quick learner kept referring to the letter "P" and said "listen beebul (the hindi name beerbul, invented!), I said to you to spell this sector with P,P,P okay, understand?". PPP's foundation laid by Qasem. PML never got any favours from Qasoo, because it had not come in to being yet as Iqbal did not get a chance to think about it yet.
fareed
Jul 19, 2012 12:30pm
Silly commentary at best. Zero value addition. Wasted my time reading this piece. Regards,
zeeshan
Jul 19, 2012 12:35pm
that is the point. my Indians friends usually praises Nadeem F Paracha when he writes to mock figures like bin qasim etc. you praise him because he writes what you want to read from a pakistani blogger. his writings are usually offensive for many Pakistanis. so the point to take is that, give respect to every religion, weather you like it or not.
iqbal poemwala
Jul 19, 2012 12:32pm
hahaha jawed naqwi will become more depressed now
sami
Jul 19, 2012 01:13pm
Kudos to Your sentence <<<<Will you dare the same for your most revered Icons ?And if such thing happened how many innocent Muslim and Non-muslim would be killed ? >>>> says it all And how admiringly respectful -keep it up my friend Hitesh and God bless
Batalvi
Jul 19, 2012 12:40pm
Mr. A Bajwa's pertinent reply leaves little room for adding similar views. However, we as a nation suffer from an identity problem and hence hesitate to own, identify and celebrate heroes that were essentially either Arab or Turkish in descent.
makraja
Jul 19, 2012 12:47pm
just a point of view hope that the true pakistanis wont be offended and may like to look things in a lighter vein what nfp has said is what people like inzi,khan,zaid are on about I guess we do have to have alight mood sometimes given the pathos and melancholy that surrounds us Dont know about the hindu dance thing though i see some find it offensive and for that nfp has to apologise as we have no right to make fun of other religious people/dieties But a great write well done nfp await more
Unus Jaan
Jul 19, 2012 12:55pm
Really? He has constantly done this Pakistani leaders. Take it easy. The ruler of Dubai will not arrest you for this.
Dawar
Jul 19, 2012 12:53pm
Yet another myth. Please read dr. Mubarek ali and KK Aziz and find out that the reason for Sindh's invasion was not what you think it was. Also, did you know what the governor of Iraq did to bin Qasim? Relax. NFP is a master at the game of puncturing lies and myths we all have been brought up on.
Amin
Jul 19, 2012 12:52pm
He could have written a better column, instead. Invading and Conquering Sindh was a great achievement in history which could not be swayed away by a satire which is popular among teenagers only.
Unus Jaan
Jul 19, 2012 12:56pm
Btw, NFP is on record saying that Inzi is his favorite all time batsmen along with late Wasim raja.
mohammed
Jul 19, 2012 01:00pm
good argument, i love hypocrisy. best human trait.
Dawar
Jul 19, 2012 01:00pm
Fusst of all this piece is for Dawn's website and not dawn newspaper. Secondly, this is exactly how satire is done. Satire deals with touchy and thorny subjects and is not written to please people.
kaushik
Jul 19, 2012 01:03pm
Allam Iqbal's grandfather was a kashmiri Brahmin.
saleem
Jul 19, 2012 01:11pm
Agreed Naseer; all these macho warriors were invaders and should be honestly mentioned in history as such.
Concerned Netizen
Jul 19, 2012 01:12pm
I think it all comes down to ego. Since they have chosen to disregard one religion and follow another, they have to show others and even themselves that their decision was correct(even if it wasn't). And to do that they have to praise the new religion they follow and severely talk about the "flaws" of the previous religion they were following. Ego ego ego. Sad that religion can sometimes blind people.
Salim Langda
Jul 19, 2012 01:10pm
Actually, my thought on seeing that image was that it is pretty!!! Gosh, how flexible the dancer on left is!
syam
Jul 20, 2012 04:30pm
None from pakistan will accept this...i bet
Asim Mehmood
Jul 21, 2012 10:43am
Who is whom? Who is sindhi ? who is balochi or pathan or punjabi ? Who is son of this soil or any other soil with different chemistry ? Humans were created just being humans... people with their own interest created these associations... these associations are now being used to kill other human beings.. just to destroy the relation of brotherhood and develop hatred among people and exploit people for the sake of their own lust of power and their interest.... I believe the respect of every fellow citizen of this land... people keep travelling from one place to other place on earth.... no one knows the actual origin of these associations... NFP is repeating same stories again and again... and what comes out ...hatred...confusion.....there is nothing positive in this piece of writing.....
Hamza
Jul 21, 2012 11:02am
He wants to prove that you speak very well.
saleem
Jul 20, 2012 02:32pm
mustafa bhai...dekkkhaaaiiinnn...khajoor apne demag say nekaliyn aur uqal ka istamal karain...shukriya
Hamza
Jul 21, 2012 11:07am
and you real-religious-muslim might as well go to Saudia. Oh wait, you won't even be honored there.
sunil
Jul 20, 2012 02:21pm
NFP sir, may your tribe increase.
Gaurav Arya
Jul 20, 2012 02:16pm
India had poets before Islam came to the sub-continent and also after the creation of Pakistan. It is just that you have not heard of them. The Hindu Civilization may be a myth...it probably is and I dont care...but the Indian civilization is not a myth. India gave birth to Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, apart from Hinduism. Why did Qasim, Abdali, Ghaznavi and Durrani invade India? Because India was the ancient and medivial land which was known as "Sone ki chidiya". India was the richest country in the world and once the epicenter of trade and civilization. Sir, the Hindi word for civilization is "Sabhyata". And when NFP (and he has my respect) shows images of Lord Shiva and Parvati and mistakenly refers to them as Raja Dahgir and his advisors, it is my 5000 year old "sabhyata" which makes me ignore it and move on.
manish
Jul 20, 2012 02:10pm
do you remember shiafication of iran during safavid dynasty rule...was that peaceful....what makes you think that what could not be achieved by your great sahabas by peace can be achieved by kings with peace.
manish
Jul 20, 2012 02:01pm
AMIR KHUSRO...well, we have meerabai, surdas, kabir, ravidas and various others like them...infact a hindu named ravindra nath tagore became first NOBELIST of ASIA when he got noble for his poetry in GEETANJALI........ iqbal....is nowhere close to kalidas....you rever him so much, only because, he propounded pakistan first.... and ghalib...how you you even call him a muslim who for half of his life was drunk...
Jameela
Jul 20, 2012 01:42pm
Elections are near. Sounds like someone is running scared of Mr Khan. Hes not letting any opportunity go to hurt him and thats a sign govt is now worried of Tsunami...Inshallah he will prove to be the Qasim of today's pakistan.
manish
Jul 20, 2012 01:35pm
that BRAHUI thing has created more problem than creating solutions.... just research a bit more...it is dravidian, but their is no proof that it is local to baqlochistan... most of researches say that it came from somewhere in the south to north during islamic raids, and subsequent slave trade(just like roma)....if you ask for refrence, well there is no need...just GOOGLE, you will get it easily, unless you come upon a christian funded evangelist site hell bent on claiming that IVC was dravidian speaking....
manish
Jul 20, 2012 01:28pm
@ siddiqui <<< Before Aryans, budhism was the dominant religion>>> well, so this is what you are taught in history... then, yours is not only biased but factually incorrect too.....so sad....
krd
Jul 20, 2012 01:18pm
I have few more names in Pakistan 1) Hasan Nisar, 2) Najaem Sethi and 3) Parvez Hoodhoy....
mangesh sird
Jul 20, 2012 11:42am
one more thing ,about Balochisthan ,that I know,is that there is a Hingluja maataa Hindu mandir/temple ,completely looked after by local Balochi Muslims very near the river Hingol,in the Makran range.It is lacally called Nani Mandar[ granny`s temple ] ! thanx.
Balu
Jul 20, 2012 10:12am
Dear Agha Ata, Apology not required. That is the inherent beauty of Hinduism. We can TAKE such jokes. They are harmless, not offensive and in very good humour. Lord Mahadev will not forgive me if don't laugh at such humour of NFP
Rana Amir
Jul 20, 2012 10:00am
muhammad bin qasim was an arab, not a pakistani, nor a south asian. He was a raider who swept upon our lands and conquered. Be proud of your own heroes of this land....must not forget our forefathers were hindus, not arabs !
I.A. Siddiqui
Jul 19, 2012 09:21am
It's better if NFP stops writing nonsense on the dictates of his masters.
Asad
Jul 19, 2012 12:23pm
Great piece as always. Way to go paracha. Especially on showing the true face of IK. What a genius you are man. Keep up the good work
pervaiz
Jul 19, 2012 09:11am
out of this world .
Naseer
Jul 19, 2012 08:55am
Why dont u just avoid reading him or perhaps u wish others too shud stop reading. Frustrated and confused who? for me there's only one and sorry to say that is you sir.
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 08:55am
OK then - thats good
Unus Jaan
Jul 19, 2012 11:35am
"Al-Bakistan, Al-Khalifa Al-Khajoor" "Yum, yum" LOL! You are a true master of dark satire, NFP. But I love it when you mix subtle political satire with blunt slap-stick to get the point across. That's what makes you so unique.
Faraz
Jul 19, 2012 10:28am
Ya.. Not every satire needs to be meaningful or hilarious.
citoyen
Jul 19, 2012 12:21pm
Unfortunately Butt sahib , the majority of my countrymen have neither interest nor understanding of history. Raja Dhir and his courageous resistance to the Arab invasion is about as well known as Swahili poetry. The sub continental mind feeds itself on myth rather than historical fact. When fact gets in the way of the myth, its fact that is made to give way. To me what matters is that Qasim was an invader. He up there with Alexander, Toramana, Mahmud, Ghor, Babur, Alburquque & Clive- all equally detestable.
Noor
Jul 19, 2012 10:26am
i think you all pseudosecular should try to find a place of your thoughts.... like india or Israel.... or any other western country where you will be honored....
A.Bajwa
Jul 19, 2012 12:14pm
Nadeem is just trying to explode an old myth that Arabs (Muawya clan !) came to Sind to spread Islam. Actually they were only protecting their trade route to Malabar, threatened by pirates from Sind coast. Religion does come in the wake of military conquest, but a little later. Spread of Christianity in Africa is one example. Islam did spread in Sind but during the Fatimid regime which succeeded Muawiyas. In rest of the Indus Valley it were the Sufi Saints. They succeeded because of their soft version of the religion and more because Aryans had declared the Scythians and the rest of migrants as outside the pale of society, which was not acceptable to the conquering tribes. So they first took to Buddhism and then to Islam.
Jahanzaib
Jul 19, 2012 10:23am
First of all newspaper must openly tells the political affiliation of its columnist as Nadeem F Paracha belongs to PPP and has great sympathies for PPP.
Rani Sharma
Jul 19, 2012 10:21am
The man who composed the Sanskrit grammar was a Pathan called Panini. Kandhar is the Gandhara of the Mahabharata, the Hindu epic. Lahore is named after Luv and Kush the two sons of Rama, the hero of Ramayana. The people of Afhganistan excelled in Hindu music. Even today great Indian musicians are called gandharvas--Chota Gandharva, Kumar Gandharva etc. So the Hindu origins of Pakistanis are without doubt, not denying that there is som mideastern blood also but very little.
Saad Bashir
Jul 19, 2012 12:10pm
It is OK to be satirical about anyone, but the underlying point in this article is that Pakistan and is founding has nothing to do with Islam or Muslim identity. Nothing can be further from the truth. Second, even if we accept that Mahmood Ghaznavi and Mohammad Ghauri were marauders, the remain the leading figures in bringing Muslim rule to India. They are heroes in that respect. Nations celebrate their heroes in textbooks. Once children are older they can form a balanced judgement for themselves. Even countries beloved for their secularism by Nadeem Paracha and like-minded people revere their heroes like Francis Drake (the biggest slave-trader of his time and looter and pillager) and Thomas Jefferson (a slave-owner and perpetrator of genocide against Native Americans). Try telling the governments or education boards in these countries to change their text-books to reflect "reality" and see what happens.
U Gupta
Jul 19, 2012 12:08pm
Maza Aa Gaya.
Amn
Jul 19, 2012 12:05pm
NFP go and see what caused Muslim traders to resort to war. Muslim men at that time were not such who would let their women be abducted and tormented while they sat in peace.
Rafi
Jul 19, 2012 12:02pm
Becoz NFP has never done it earlier with anyone.This marks a low in his writing standards. Same is the case with poking fun with hindu gods in earlier picture. Making fun of ourselves or our leaders is fine but when it concerns others sensitivities are to be respected.
citoyen
Jul 19, 2012 11:58am
Its actually one of a couple of dancers. Look again. And btw I suggest you read more of Nadeem's article to appreciate his brand of humour.
Abdullah K. Wazir
Jul 19, 2012 11:56am
And none of them was Dravidian ! Sharmaji. Not long ago, Jews claimed that Pathans were descendents of lost Jewish tribe. Being a Pathan myself , you are forcing me to recheck my ancestary. Let me be sure, I will keep you posted..
Syed Ali Raza Shah
Jul 19, 2012 11:24am
Really?! Now let me tell you something son! Pseudo or no pseudo, as a Pakistani I have every right to freedom of speech and expression guaranteed to me by the constitution of Pakistan. And just to put the things straight. For me the constitution of Pakistan is more important.
pleasant
Jul 19, 2012 11:22am
Pseudo-patriot always go after these excuses.... leave country. denying facts and not correcting our history is the biggest disservice you can do to this country. Wake up and correct yourself. No wonder you are an ordinary citizen!
ajay
Jul 19, 2012 11:22am
A humorous article but not for this kind of paper. A tabloid writer for tabloid readers. With such piece of work, the newspaper Dawn will turn into Dusk.
Javeer
Jul 19, 2012 11:27am
Neither India nor Israel is a western country.
pleasant
Jul 19, 2012 11:27am
because he (Luqman) did not understand wisdome behind it
manish
Jul 19, 2012 11:18am
evidence of hinduism in pakistan is too large to be brushed aside... regarding hinduism in afghanistan.........al-beruni himself mentions that that fouunder of saffrid dynasty deposed the brahmin king kallar to establish his rule there....
pleasant
Jul 19, 2012 11:24am
Spot on! NFP has always been great. His mocking is not to make fun of any faith.
Zafar
Jul 19, 2012 11:13am
Smile on.... Sadist NFP ;)
AHA
Jul 19, 2012 11:16am
Though I do not think Sh. Mohammad of Dubai will take this as gracefully as you did!!!
Inzi supporter
Jul 19, 2012 11:45am
I dont get why Inzi gets drag into these kind of bashing... IK.. fine, Zahid Hamid abosultely... but why Inzi... because he speaks terrible English or because he is now a Jamati....or maybe I am missing something.
manish
Jul 19, 2012 11:09am
didn't you know it already? what she said is a fact....but unfortunately ignored by your rulers...
Mountie
Jul 19, 2012 01:47pm
@fareed. NFP's pieces are not meant to add value. They are supposed to laugh you for five minutes, make you think other wise and move on with rest of your life
KKRoberts
Jul 19, 2012 11:44am
NFP is a great pakistani patriot and a devout muslim.He is just exposing our hypocrisies and foolish ideologies.He is asking us to question the follies of our own societies.Hope you can get to the heart and grasp it....
Nadir Shah Durrani
Jul 19, 2012 11:47am
Shah Sahib : Ask your favourite, NFP to satire AAZ and his cohorts.We will find out how much 'liberal' he is.
kyabaathaiNPki
Jul 19, 2012 11:42am
"In conclusion, I must put a straight question to Pandit Jawahar Lal, how is India's problem to be solved if the majority community will neither concede the minimum safeguards necessary for the protection of a minority of 80 million people, nor accept the award of a third party; but continue to talk of a kind of nationalism which works out only to its own benefit? This position can admit of only two alternatives. Either the Indian majority community will have to accept for itself the permanent position of an agent of British imperialism in the East, or the country will have to be redistributed on a basis of religious, historical and cultural affinities so as to do away with the question of electorates and the communal problem in its present form." by Allama M. Iqbal
Socrates
Jul 19, 2012 11:42am
Until very recently Christians persecuted Jews. Until they realized that Christianity was an offshoot of Judaism. Sooner or later, Pakistanis will have to admit that they are descendants of Hindus for the most part. this not suggest that Hinduism is perfect. It is the product of humans like all other faiths. The evidence is too overwhelming. But once it sinks in Pakistani Mulims will stop persecuting Hindus, may be even Ahmadis will be spared.
G.Nabi
Jul 19, 2012 11:42am
Why not ? He is the mouthpiece of PPP & MQM.
Human
Jul 19, 2012 11:41am
Hey 'An ordinary citizen", I just want to ask you this one question. What is your original root? I meant your ORIGINAL root. Not the one you or your grandfather took it just because of fear or any other reason. I'm really wondering, why people talk bad about their root religion once they converted into other religion?????? That’s the religion they followed up until that conversion date and praised about that religion and all of a sudden they talk bad about it. How is it even possible?
Haider
Jul 19, 2012 11:41am
Thumbs up for the humor factor, and the opposite for the content and mindless criticism of Imran. It will be a timely breath of fresh air if the Author for once focused on PPP and its policies as well and enlightened us on the exploits of " Bin Qasim Bhutto" and Raja Dahir urf Rental al-maroof.
Noor
Jul 19, 2012 11:39am
Everyone has right of expression, but not right of offending others, please enlighten us more.....
AHA
Jul 19, 2012 11:07am
With all that has happened since 1947, I do not think Zaid Hamid, or anyone with a similar agenda, will ever be able to plant the victorious Pakistan flag on hearts of the people of Balochistan. @NFP, Thank you spelling Balochistan for its correct pronunciation. Most Pakistanis think it is Baluchistan. Some country, our Pakistan.
manish
Jul 19, 2012 11:07am
Exactly my thoughts...
aaa
Jul 19, 2012 11:37am
A true scholar is someone who is not distracted by beauty of his art of writing, by beauty of his knowledge in many different areas and can remain neutral even if he has travelled the entire world and is well read in different theories. That exists in very rarely nowadays and freedom of speech has deceived many in writing whatever their ego drives them into.
Unus Jaan
Jul 19, 2012 11:37am
I seriously doubt that NFP ever actually goes through the comments. In fact I'm pretty sure.
manish
Jul 19, 2012 10:57am
COURAGE....in a security state as yours, do you think that if NFP today declares that he reads both GITA and QURAN, would he be alive in your country.
Sunil Kumar
Jul 19, 2012 11:33am
I want comment from NFP on an ordinary citizen these remarks. NFP what u think?
waleedqasim
Jul 19, 2012 11:51am
How come liberalism means making fun of religions, being sarcastic and write articles out of frustration. If NFP has written or writes some sarcastic article about PPP or Bhutto then he will be a true liberal for me.
manish
Jul 19, 2012 11:32am
why so? are the rulers in dubai GOD..
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 11:06am
An honest writer should come out the Zaidophopia or Imranophobia or any ohte phobia...
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 11:06am
Tu aap betaa daen phir
Mustafa Khan
Jul 19, 2012 10:40am
i only get sunday's dawn. only becoz of NFP. hats off NFP sahib.
Luqman
Jul 19, 2012 10:06am
Hey, A ordinary citizen, DAWN is accepting almost all of your comments today. Do you still think Dawn is a liberal fascist paper?
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 09:09am
You and some other people who think like you need to remember that they born on this land with your specific faith. This land gave you so much - what you are giving it in return? I would say that if you hate this country, then be brave and say it openly and leave this country - go somewhere else as previous PM said, if you rememebr that. Similarly, if you don't like your faith - leave it. Come on be brave - don't be confused ....
Fahd Ali Raza
Jul 19, 2012 09:08am
Man! You are one of the best writers in Pakistan!
Sabhiha
Jul 19, 2012 09:08am
Dawn is one of the most liberal institutions in Pakistan. And Thank God we have papers and sites like Dawn and writers like NFP.
Naseer
Jul 19, 2012 08:25am
Think it was arab imperialism and nothing more, conquering every land they could lay their hands on. Our text book does include other macho warriors i.e Mehmood of Ghazni and Shahabuddin Ghaur alike, wish u would shed some light on them too, sparing Qasim a bit :).
Mushtaq
Jul 19, 2012 09:06am
Wow, if THIS is what one can produce after being drunk then I want to be drunk 24/7. Please NFP, remain drunk! Better than being drunk on delusions and lies.
saythetruth
Jul 19, 2012 07:38am
Nadeem very interesting.
PAnky
Jul 19, 2012 07:51am
You got some serious sense of humor!!!!
Ali
Jul 19, 2012 07:52am
This is hilarious. What a gem!
Arun Nair
Jul 19, 2012 08:45am
Another good work from NFP. However, the picture of Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maqtoom, Vice President and Prime Minister of the UAE and the ruler of Dubai, shouldn't have been figured there. He is infact, a very liberal leader in the Middle East. He is infact the ONLY Arab leader who thinks with his brain. Other than that, this article is a treasure trove of black humour!!!!!
you
Jul 19, 2012 07:55am
nice one mate
ali
Jul 19, 2012 07:49am
Epitome of sarcasm NFP rocks when comes to mockrey, but still much was expected to be in for what was the true plan of qasim
Khan
Jul 19, 2012 07:57am
haha, awsome, ,, but inzi bhai ki kuch video dekhne ke baad hi likha he na , cuz it doesnt sound like him.
Akbar
Jul 19, 2012 07:59am
U just cant stop Impressing with your writing.... another good one.. Perhaps the poor twister of our history did not know that some day internet would come into existence and people would go into details of their origin of religion, culture and history. KuDoS!
Ather
Jul 19, 2012 08:00am
These actors Zaid hamid, JI, Imran khan and many other like them have influenced you more than their own followers. Seriously i feel pity for you ... Anyways keep writing the same way as you cannot help it any more :d
zeeshan
Jul 19, 2012 12:22pm
i just want to ask one question. my question is, if Islam did not come by the invasion of Muhammad bin Qasim, than who brought this universal religion to our soil?
chakraborty
Jul 19, 2012 08:16am
Hey Boss Bal Thackeray one could have been better.(With Marathi Accent)
Harish Bansal
Jul 19, 2012 08:19am
Though Dawn never publish my comments but still I ll try. Nice article. Just one comment, Great nations never tries to correct the history, but only learns from it,
Naseema Perveen Sheen
Jul 19, 2012 08:19am
thumbs up!!!again a very beautiful writing...can't stop waiting for an another superb upcoming article
Naseema Perveen
Jul 19, 2012 08:20am
thumbs up!!! again a beautiful writing...can't stop waiting for an another surperb upcoming article!
Nabeel
Jul 19, 2012 08:24am
How on earth are you so consistent, NFP? You are the heavyweight champion of satire and wit. Bravo!
raika45
Jul 19, 2012 08:31am
Nadeem sahib.You and Sabir Nazar could collaborate and write and article for Dawn.The result of your combined effort will surely be a blast.
Zulfiqar Haider
Jul 19, 2012 08:34am
Thank you Nadeem for keeping our smiles alive.
Ather
Jul 19, 2012 08:36am
Bunch of liberal fascists will keep appreciating your writings ...
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 08:36am
It's not hilarious - but non-sence which shows the mentality of NFP. It also relfets that perhaps he is too frustated and confused. Or perhaps some external elements pull his strings and he dances accordingly. I am disappointed of DAWN which promotes so called "Cultural Critic and Senior Columnist." I can also imagine that DAWN will not put my views on its web as they have done the same in the past. I can understand their approach to so called "Freedom of Expression".
magus
Jul 19, 2012 08:42am
Haha!! Zaid Hamid... great pic!! wish you had your take on BlahBlah saheb thackrey too
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 08:47am
As I said earlier, I was sure you will not publish my comments. This is your 'freedom of expression'.
magus
Jul 19, 2012 08:47am
Vaisey, why does Zaid bhai quasim tie his trousers at nipple level?
Nabeel
Jul 19, 2012 08:48am
And tons of real fascists will continue to hate it. They should get themselves a sense of humour and the willingness to laugh at themselves.
bahram
Jul 19, 2012 08:55am
paracha has lost it.....
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 08:56am
Now I do appreciate it
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 08:56am
thank you
Kaly Kaly
Jul 19, 2012 08:57am
Ha...ha...ha...as usual NFP is as his best. Sorry to say, very few Muslim are real secular minded, I have found two, one is NFP and the other is Dr.APJ Abdul Kalam, yet to find the third person. Hope one day Pakistani people will realize that root is not Arabs. India/Pakistan/Bangladesh is all the same.
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 10:08am
I am surprised about the excellence of your knowledge of south asian history.
Shabeeb
Jul 19, 2012 09:01am
NFP how high or drunk were you while writing this?
Muhammad Abubakar
Jul 19, 2012 09:02am
We should be grateful to Qasim. on his invasion we are muslim.
Mushy Ali
Jul 19, 2012 09:31am
Did your oil-rich masters get offended?
Mushy Ali
Jul 19, 2012 09:33am
Well said, Aziz, well said indeed.
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 10:01am
will he tell you the truth?
Taj
Jul 19, 2012 09:40am
dekhain NFP, aap ko nahin pata
KVGNS
Jul 19, 2012 09:41am
superfunny this is good. though as a hindu - mildly offended on the dance picture.
An ordinary citizen
Jul 19, 2012 09:49am
Dear Kaly Kaly, your comparison of NFP ad APJ-AK is so strange. What's the link between these two people. Perhaps they don't like their roots - but have no courage to say it openly? Yes that is in common between these to people. Also, you need to remember that APJ-AK made a nuclear war head to destroy Paksitan where NFP lives. But surely, this is not a common element between them unless NFP migrates to neighbouring country and live with his spiritual guru, APJ-AK. I will not suggest anything else - you and NFP should decide what to do.
Hasanalirana
Jul 19, 2012 09:43am
What about the educated, foreign language speaking, young and skinny army of I.K, fighting wars with latest gadgets connected to lightning fast Wifi's against uncouth/robust warriors of other political parties on the battle grounds of social media.
usman
Jul 19, 2012 09:46am
NFP have Imran Khan Phobia
Rani Sharma
Jul 19, 2012 09:50am
Punajb, NWFP and even parts of Afghanistan were also Hindu.
@noorpamiri
Jul 19, 2012 03:00pm
controversies sell and NFP knows how to sell them well :-)
Karachi Wala
Jul 19, 2012 03:02pm
Butt ji, Your post seems to be sincere and thoughtful. Yes, Imran Khan came across as someone who, if, could not solve all of the ills created by many civil and military govts., will at least give Pakistani’s hope and a decent fresh start. After watching him, continuously tilting toward JI, soft spot for Taliban, and gathering politicians from the very parties he has been criticizing, it is nothing but wishful thinking which eventually will turn into nightmare, should he came to power.
Nak
Jul 19, 2012 03:10pm
Hilarious!!
chaigram
Jul 19, 2012 03:23pm
Mr. NFP, please write what you think and see is right, it is your right as a citizen of any state or country. People who are critical of you don't know what FREEDOM means. Keep up the good work
Gary Sahi
Jul 19, 2012 03:33pm
Zeeshan, I am an Indian and I don't want Nadeem Paracha to change any image in this article. My faith is not so weak that an image can bring it down. Go for the real thing in religion. It is more a matter of your heart and the creator than it is of anything in the outside what Nadeem is very carefully trying to destroy. All power to him and his likes. I wish Indian reporters are also like him who use humour to destroy myths which have taken us nowhere.
Irfan Hussain
Jul 19, 2012 03:38pm
Mufti, If majority is lying, it can not make it truth. Even if we keep teaching something to our kids in text books, reality will remain there.
Capt Mansur
Jul 19, 2012 03:42pm
Extremly funny and entertaining. The problem is only few people understand what message Mr Paracha wants to convey. As I understand .. Pakistani soldiers being killed daily by Foreign Agents Monsters know as Taliban, Imran nor Inzi has uttered a word of COMPASION to thier families. We are Pakistanis first and then whatever. Imran and Inzi accept slaughter of Pakistani soldiers in the name of Islam and are more supportive of the distorted Islam implemented by the legacy of Zia ul Qasim. So Sad
Karachi Wala
Jul 19, 2012 03:47pm
No doubt Inzi was a great batsman! Inzi got dragged into because during his time, first as a senior player and later as captain he tried to drag every cricketer into his brand of Islam. I personally believe the saga of Daryl Hair vs Inzmam and Pakistan team could have been avoided. Most of it happened due to miscommunication. Had it been Imran (of course during in his playing days), or either Raja's were captain it would not have occurred. In other words Daryl would not have dared. Looking at the commercialism of cricket these days, though, not necessary but, it would not hurt for every international cricketer to have a reasonable command on English as at present, this is the main language of the world. When it comes to captain, I think it should be mandatory for a captain to have a very good command on English.
siddiqui
Jul 19, 2012 03:49pm
So whats the point? That the history of South asia starts from hinduism and we should all only respect hinduism and nothing else? A lot of invaders have come and gone from South Asia. Before Aryans, budhism was the dominant religion... before them, maybe some form of hindusim that is probably not even related to current hinduism. What is the point in defining a starting point of our root based on our biases? Ultimately our roots are either Adam or a bacteria depending upon whether we're theists or atheists... so instead of ripping apart historic giants like Ghaznavi, qasim etc,let accept all as part of our long human history without thinking of them as heroes or villians.
Javaid
Jul 20, 2012 10:45am
Sikhism is a recent religion (1469AD) which came after Islam was already introduced into the Sub-Continent, so I highly doubt 'Kdspirited' that people were Sikhs in 695AD. Jainism & Buddhism are offshoots of Hinduism or their founders took strong inspiration from Hinduism (more like Islam & Christianity took inspiration from Judaism), so in essence, most of South Asia was indeed Hindu or followed various Hindu creeds & beliefs. Even the Kailash religion (Kalasha) is a form of ancient rigvedic Hinduism (not Greek, as it is mistakenly believed by many).
Munawar
Jul 19, 2012 03:54pm
Qasim was a looter, he looted the sindh and then left. He does not spread islam. Please don't change the history.
geekay09
Jul 20, 2012 11:35am
Regious fanatics are not needed. I think Allama Iqbal qualifies that epitaph. Well, do you think Urdu can invent again those old stalwarts Mirza Ghalib or Amir Khusro. What writers or poets Urdu has today. Remember, Urdu is not owned by Pakistan. India has more natural Urdu roots than Pakistan ever did. It was imposed by Jinaah for the unification of Pakistan at the expense of local languages - Sindhi, Punjabi, Baluchi etc. If pakistan can claim Faiz then Kaifi Azami belonged to India. Faiz also was Indian when born, so was Allama Iqbal and other two you mentioned. Amir Khusro wrote in Hindvi and not Urdu. So, do not claim he belonged to Urdu club. Hindi also had its own stalwarts - Munshi Premchand, Nirala, Mahadevi Varma, Dinkar etc. There are more Indian subcontinent writers famous across the world than any Pakistani ones. However, I am a big fan of late Munto, who was the victim of the partition and regretted to leave India. You need education of the Hindi to appreciate it. Sabhyata is the Hindi word for civilisation. Perhaps, you need to use google search before making another claim.
asim
Jul 19, 2012 04:08pm
write on point! If you are paid in $ ,how can you speak against $
SDK
Jul 19, 2012 04:11pm
Google for "Kabul Shahi"
IndNYorker
Jul 19, 2012 04:12pm
Still, 150 or more miilion Indians living in India are Muslims and after 47 have been army generals, an Indian Air Force chief and Head of State. There is much that is wrong in India that should not be glossed over, but at least some things are right despite the Quaid I Azam's pessimistic postulation.
Atta
Jul 19, 2012 04:12pm
Inzi bring religious fanatics in cricket or you can say ''SATAHI MAZABIAT''
asim
Jul 19, 2012 04:17pm
well sai!! Please don't show them the mirror.Ot will hurt. This part of history is not in their text books.
manish
Jul 20, 2012 11:25am
@ self-content: we come here, and show our presence....because we like to appreciate good things happening here, by being part of the melee, and not as some dumb reader... if you go and check alexa.com it will show you that against 50% traffic from pakistan, the traffic from india is nearly 15%, yet indians dominate comments section.......guess, that is ill-effect of living in a democracy(however flawed) that every tom, dick and harry wants his voice heard.......regarding your objection<>, yes it is possible very much if the religion followed was natural......you cannot escape your past....just like persians still are persians...they couldn't leave their pre-islamic heritage... also regarding the claim as the originator of hinduism, i think you forgo that one, and first recognise your own heritage i.e. IVC, and buddhism in swat.......till then tc& bye-bye
Karachi Wala
Jul 19, 2012 04:31pm
Reading your comment, it seems you are in favor of majority rule in the sense that majority should be allowed to decide the fate of a country and therefore the fate of the minorities. If so, why Hindus were not allowed to decide the fate of India? After all, they were the majority.
2bizarre
Jul 20, 2012 11:24am
Yes, they can be forced. Violence creates a compulsion nothing else can; violence over centuries even more so. As for Arabs - whose egalitarianism you think impressed your ancestors - are the ones who created the Ashraf-Ajlaf distinction in the sub-continent. Go to the Middle East and get accorded the respect due to a servant or an animal. And unless you have been in a coma since the day you were born, caste and its attendant problems exist in Pakistan too. Moreover, that 500 million figure (in the sub-continent) is a huge exaggeration; not even total world population in the Middle Ages had reached that number.
Ajaya K Dutt
Jul 19, 2012 04:33pm
Sikh Army invading Multan painting shown as invasion of Sindh. (Yellow Nishan Shahib AKA Maharaja Ranjit Singh Siks Army Flag gives it away). NFP, I pray for your safety everyady.
Protester
Jul 19, 2012 04:33pm
hahaha....really?
SIlvester
Jul 19, 2012 04:35pm
I wish i write like NFP.. aspire to be a NFP
ahsan
Jul 20, 2012 11:20am
NFP ZIndabad
manish
Jul 20, 2012 01:17pm
@ rafi: no problem..wth hindu gods.....gods are not beyond criticizm...if they can't handle a bit of criticism, which we mere mortals endure everyday...their very claim of being god comes into question.... lastly, hindu gods have been criticized in our own texts...one more NFP doing it would not make the slightest difference....
Protester
Jul 19, 2012 04:44pm
Please stop thinking as Islam = Muslim rulers Actually, the muslim rulers, like other rulers, where as barbaric and inhumane as any devil. Another important reminder......Mohammad bin Qasim was NOT Mohammad bin Abdullah (SAWW) so Islam is defintely not under attack if anyone throw light on the 'achievements' of Bin Qasim. Oh, and Yes, Bhutto, Sharif, Khan.....they are not very different than Bin Qasim.....all believe in 'conquering' the land.
Arif
Jul 19, 2012 04:49pm
yes! so was mehmood ghaznavi!
r.s.soni
Jul 20, 2012 09:38am
long live pakistan peacefully !
mr.chennai
Jul 19, 2012 04:51pm
hey i am south indian recently started reading DAWN article and find why pakistanis are struck up with century old thoughts. religion is a personel thing of every human being. u people are always mixing islam with every matters. this writer is truely wants to educate the people. so pakistan sucks.
Caz
Jul 19, 2012 04:51pm
Well said Mr Hitesh.
Caz
Jul 19, 2012 04:54pm
Muhammad bin Qasim was a thug.
Naseer
Jul 19, 2012 04:54pm
Hey i was born here in this land, in my town, in my home and in my tribe. Nobdoy can tell me to leave it coz this country with its geographical boundaries chosen me as its citizen. So is true about my fath as I didn't got it from some mad people. Now if you are confusing Sahaba and other great islamic scholars with blood thirsty warriors then mate ur are indeed confused not me.
Agha Ata
Jul 19, 2012 04:55pm
The answer to your question is "No."
manish
Jul 20, 2012 01:48pm
if you want the answer, then it is probably BUDDHISM.. it sapped the common folk of fighting against invaders and usurpers. hindus did resist wherever they were, see BALI. the buddhists on the other hand were so bereft of ideas, that they gave up without fighting...see INDONESIA.... hindus, on the other hand, did not at BALI. just keep your mind open..
Arif
Jul 19, 2012 04:58pm
i think NFP has committed a mistake here bro... but again i think it was not intentional...
Saud
Jul 20, 2012 05:11am
@Hitesh Even majority of people do not know this is image of Shiva. We (Pakistanies) do not care the sentiments of others and expect that other should respect ours.
manish
Jul 20, 2012 01:49pm
@amn: ever heard about rout at AWADH in 1857.....go read,
Devendra
Jul 19, 2012 05:08pm
As long as you don't tell the truth too bluntly and make sure you sing payens of Islam, you will be published. Let us see if this is published.
zeeshan
Jul 20, 2012 01:49pm
there is no force conversion any where in Muslim world. i just going to mention here some popular names, who converted to Islam, which includes Mohammad Yousaf, wyne parnell, both are cricketers, Mohammad Ali famous Boxer of the past, and many others, if you want to know some others, just go to google. now ask any of these personalities whether they have been converted forcefully or they just convert by their own will. now can you named any famous personality of Muslim world who Khuda Na Khasta converted to other religion? Islam is an universal religion indeed that is why people from other religion convert to Islam day by day.
Devendra
Jul 19, 2012 05:14pm
Jawed Naqwi is really depression incarnate. He can NOT be any more depressed.
geekay09
Jul 19, 2012 05:18pm
What will Jinnah say today? Will he concur with Maulana Azad or accept that Azad was right after all. Jinnah was saying this lecture not only to the partitioned muslims of Pakistan but he was trying to convince himself that he is correct and not the Azad. Obviously, for many in Pakistan (like MQM included), Jinnah's theories have resulted in biggest blunder of mankind.
Devendra
Jul 19, 2012 05:18pm
Why? If you believe in free speach and democracy, then this was the most non-offensive picture of the whole article. It supposedly depicted Raja Dahir. Where do you come up with your super-imposition and call it what ever Hindu deity you are imagining in that picture. Get a life.
daljit
Jul 20, 2012 01:52pm
jo bole so nihaal, sas riya kaal..
Nizar
Jul 19, 2012 05:23pm
Why should your comments be censored? Your comments are gibbersish since true and honest depiction of the state of affairs is considered demoralizing by you. I suppose the bomb blasts, school demolitions, killings of muslims by muslims, 16 to 18 hrs of load shedding, adoption of foreign/arab influence to sound more pious and the list continues may seem a morale booster to you. If you really want to find out how Arabs view and treat Pakistanis, go visit Saudi Arabia or any other Arab country.
Nizar
Jul 19, 2012 05:28pm
Your point? Do you disagree with NFP only because of political affiliations? Truth hurts, but be open minded to accept it from whatever source it might come.
Rehman
Jul 19, 2012 05:28pm
bhai, he was an invader, plunderer. His own uncle Mansur bin Hijaz murdered him. I am also a Muslim but I am also blessed with rationale to see the difference between a companion of prophet and a mass murderer.
Nizar
Jul 19, 2012 05:32pm
No need to apologize as nobody is going to burn or kill because of it unlike our pious of pious citizens.
raman
Jul 19, 2012 05:33pm
I feel Nadeem is a good thinker.
muzjee
Jul 19, 2012 05:33pm
I noticed the reference to demolishing the minarets and banning all food products made by the heretics. This is probably inspired by recent events in Pakistan where minarets of an Ahmadi mosque were demolished and a ban was proposed on the food company believed to be Ahmadi owned. Well said. (http://dawn.com/2012/07/11/bait-ul-hamd-minarets-demolished-source/) (http://dawn.com/2012/02/16/bar-denies-drink-ban/)
Pankaj Patel (USA)
Jul 19, 2012 05:34pm
Buttji, As a Gujarati I will point out that Mahatma Gandhi and Mahammad Ali Jinna both were from Saurastra region of Gujarat and both belong to treading community one Bania and other Khoja (Lohana). About history we see invaders all Alexander,Mohammad Bin Kasim,Mohammad Ghori,Mohhamad Gizni and Babar the British and Portuguese. all were Invaders.we view Jalaluddin Akbar as a hero for his good rule and Aurenzab as a villain for his bad rule.All the invaders were bad to the local population and history is filled with those attrocities so we try to ignore it,our main target was to put our broken country in order.We were tought in school that Mohammad Gizni was a decoit and came to loot Somanth temple,reason being not to spread hate between Hindu and Muslim student.So some time a nation has to compromise truth for the good of people and only mature students of history learn about it.
Nizar
Jul 19, 2012 05:35pm
Why not?
Nizar
Jul 19, 2012 05:38pm
What history? the one written by fundos of your ilk.
Aybee
Jul 19, 2012 05:51pm
There is actually a doubt about the religion of Raja Dahir, while most believe he was a Hindu, there is a view point that he was a Zoroastrian. In any case under his rule all Hindus, Buddhists and Zoroastrians ( most of the landmass to the North and West was inhabited by Zoroastrians at point of time) lived without any discrimination. Though Christianity had reached South India centuries ago (1st Century AD) , it had probably not made its advent in this region. There were also adherents of Manichaeism (a gnostic religion, which had followers in Europe, Asia and Africa for a long time) in that part at that point of time. Many Indian history books do talk of brave resistance by Raja Dahir, but more significantly it is believed that he carried Dahir's daughters and presented them to Caliph. It is believed that the girls told the Caliph that they had been dishonoured by Qasim and the infuriated Caliph ordered Qasim's killing. (this appears to be a folklore as I have not read any historical evidence in support.).
Pritish
Jul 19, 2012 06:05pm
As an Indian I would be perfectly OK with that fact (if it were true {I have not checked}). I guess where we differ is that many in Pakistan view Hindus as some evil and alien race of people. We were cut from the same cloth (in 1947 and thousands of years before that). Believe it or not we Hindus are very similar to Pakistanis (those in the east at least). In fact we have more in common with each other than the<favourite ally name here>.
Mohammad
Jul 19, 2012 06:06pm
I really dont think Qasim should be revered, he was an Invader...and Islam was spread in the Sub continent by the Sufis not Qasim !
aamir
Jul 19, 2012 06:08pm
Why we get offended with everything? It is nothing religious.
Sonu
Jul 20, 2012 11:43am
Its terrible that they have to make fun of religious sentiment of people of India. Just say if we happen to show disrespect to your religious belief. We cant as we believe and respect your relegion as well
aamir
Jul 19, 2012 06:09pm
100 % agreed. They used Islam to cover their motives
Mohammad
Jul 19, 2012 06:09pm
Well said..however no pakistani in the world admits this. The Sunnis say they are Arabs and the Shias say hey are Iranaian. There were millions on converts...where did they all go ?
aamir
Jul 19, 2012 06:10pm
Why not just judge or right or wrong? He did not say anything wrong.
Indian
Jul 19, 2012 06:25pm
Ha! I came to know about Raja Dahir and Qasim only after reading this article. Although one can never be too sure, most likely these people weren't a part of CBSE history textbooks in India. But then, our history textbooks were heavily biased towards Gandhi and Nehru.
Ali
Jul 19, 2012 06:26pm
NFP zindabad!!!!!, please keep witing, one day our nation will change and come out of the shell of good looking Jamat e Islami, Imran Khan, who is well supported by media men like Zaid H, and ex army men like Pasha. I am really suprised that IK, who himself wrote in his first book that his mentor was Hamid Gul, but we Paksitanis still want IK as our leader. Perhaps its always dark before dawn.
Mohammad A Malick
Jul 19, 2012 06:33pm
Hi Nadeem : Please do not go so low. They are crazy B's. You can use your intellect in better ways, write something about old and coming goo days of Pakistan . Pakistanis will take care of everything and how much potential one Pakistani have, code name (N.F.P) think about 180 million of siblings can do.
Muhammad Ahmed
Jul 19, 2012 06:54pm
I think the title is misleading. This sounds more like " Fingering Qasim" then really figuring Qasim. I am not sure if admirers of legends like Qasim really need to focus on negativity thrown towards him. I just find is sad that he is being juxtaposed with other entities that seem more real to us and probably their reality seems offensive. I think we all need tales of bravery, honesty and public service to motivate us. Qasim's tale probably not be completely based on facts but there are elements of truth which do give us hope. I am fine with NFP not buying the "Hope" and " Winning Against Odds" crap and he has every right to judge Qasim in his own way. However, I feel that his bitterness for present day woes indicates a very misinterpreted reading of history. Opinions regarding history should not steer it in direction of one's choice. If people on the right should be blamed for making a saint out of Qasim, then people of left just tend turn him into a monster by refusing to admit humane aspects of such people. The funny thing about comments on NFP's writings indicate the existing differences in thought process of people belonging to neighboring country. For me, they serve as a validation of the "Two Nation Theory ". I will not deny issues of our country or its hypocrisy but we have the opportunity to work it out in our own manner. We will probably have to go through witch trials, extremism and our own evangelical revolution before learning basic human values. In the meantime, I am happy with my version of Qasim and find him heroic, brave and a person who stood against odds and won something. NFP can be happy with his version of it.
Iftikhar
Jul 19, 2012 06:56pm
Inzamamul Haq has simply disappeared from the public life after his cricket days were over, but the great NFP simply not ready to forgive him.
zeeshan
Jul 19, 2012 06:57pm
if Mohammad Bin Qasim did not bring Islam in our lands, than who did bring it to us? can anybody throw some light on it?
Farid
Jul 19, 2012 07:07pm
Ghaznavi and Ghauri were Plunderers, is there any Masjid built by Mahmood while he was looting and killing the peaceful and hard working natives of Sindh and Kuch?. They came to loot Indian Moola, say 17 times { ) --> and --)-------- .
Hasin Ahmed
Jul 19, 2012 07:07pm
I feel so sad about how much time, newspaper space and energy can we waste on a phoney like Zad.The picture of Shiva describing it as that of Dahir and his adviser, was in bad taste, and unbecoming to Dawn's image.
h2k
Jul 19, 2012 07:33pm
sss
Munir Ahmad
Jul 20, 2012 12:06pm
Mr. Paracha likes to write humor but his writings are almost always biased towards an anti-rightist mindset. I would only suggest to him to confine his humor to the current-time personalities. Taking his comments beyond the limits of his tainted mind and dragging the realms of history into his writing make his surf into dangerous territories where the potential of him making grievous mistakes becomes very high. Mr. Parach, please restrict your writings to current affairs, history is a very tough subject and very few people can make correct inference from it; I feel, at least you are not one of them. Your sense of humor could serve a much better purpose if it is directed towards our current national problems.
mangesh sird
Jul 20, 2012 12:06pm
The Indian sub-continent is ALWAYS INVADED from the west...there being only one exception of the Chinese attack of 1962 in NEFA..north Eastren Fed Agency...that is modern Arunachal Pradesh...but is one studies the history of the sub-continent for the last 5000 years ..we had Darius...Daryush..Dara the Farsi king invading us from the west...then we had a Greek Sikandar /Alexander...Then we had Shakas from Shakistan > Seistan...the Hunas > Hunns [ remember Atilla ?]. but all these guys merged with Indians and were NOT religious zealots. Then we had Afghans like Goaznavi , Ghori ,Khiljis,Moghuls etc. But we did not have an Arab assault after Qassim. Because Arabs ,themselves were attacked by Halaqoo,the Mongol and distroyed Basra and Baghdad and its precious library ! Also v few Turks have invaded the sub-continent ! It can be explained linguistically,apart from the religious invasion.Indic languages have a least no. of Turkish words like the word Urdoo..which is Turkish...there are only two Greek words ,whom we called Yavans from the island of IONIA...muslim call it YUNAN ! The Greek words are 1. Daam ..a corruption of the Greek word Drachma for their coin or unit of money. It is used in Marathi as Daam even today for price. the another Grek word is for Sevanyaa...Semiyan...SEMOLINE.....that`s all. we have Arab words mostly for the religous words in Islam/prayers etc.and a few words for court language of the rulers.But that is not the case with Farsee/persian..as it is the sister language of Sanskrit,we have many many words of ancient Avesta ..the rel language of the Zorastrians/called Parsees...or Zend....and later old Farisee and today`s Farsee...one example can be given here...Skt.Matru> Mata. Mader > Madre[latin]> Mother[ english]..Take another...Pita > Pitar > Patter> father ! or Skt. Praster> Pathar > Pedro ?. Peter means stone ! Anyway,If this satire brings the long lost brothers< Birader < Bhai < Bhrata...well and good.Such write ups in lighter vein ,shall Dilute our Enimity,if at all anyone has it !
Razzaq
Jul 19, 2012 07:49pm
As the saying goes,if a nation distort it's history, the nation get distorted too. This is what we are witnessing now.
Tariq
Jul 19, 2012 07:51pm
Great satire of poke fun at the history et al of the Indian sub continent!
Shubs
Jul 19, 2012 07:53pm
If an Indian political leader of today were to make the above speech, the nation would be shocked, he would be vilified as a communal crook of the lowest order, and at best he would be discarded as a fringe figure on the extreme political right with a motley band of illiterate fanatical followers. And I thank history, fate and god, if there is one, that such divisive communal thought never became mainstream political discourse in my country, and when it did in pockets, it was always an anomaly and never the rule. All I can say is, thank you, Mr Jinnah, for purging my country of this school of politics. It has left my nation a much better place, one which can hope for a future in tune with a modern educated world away from the madness of religious dogma.
hello
Jul 20, 2012 12:02pm
It's not hindus, It's Hindus with a capital H.
Imran Khan
Jul 20, 2012 12:03pm
I cannot believe on myself that I read this boloney from start to end. Can't figure out what is? Author seems to be very confused and lost what point he is putting across to his reader, but just a parody of Pakistan's history and its ignominious birth.
Shubs
Jul 19, 2012 07:58pm
Good ol' Zaid Hamid...always good for a few laughs! Wonder how much he paid for his big-boy camouflage pants...
Ranveer
Jul 20, 2012 11:59am
by showing the picture of dancers apparently NFP wanted to show that the then rules of sindh were more concerned about earthy pleasures then preparing to fightt an invasion. He however could have used a more appropriate picture rather then showing artists as Lord Shiva and his wife Parvati. At the same time i do not see any ill will at NFP's end, i think it was unintentail
sohaib
Jul 19, 2012 08:18pm
becasue he speaks terrible english. these english speaking classes are slaves of western culture. they make fun and have hearty laugh if someone speak bad english, as if english is our native language. Little wonder, they find caricatures of historical figures which have a bearing on our present but in the way the writer exaggerates.
Mate
Jul 19, 2012 08:23pm
MBQ was ordered to come to sindh for two reasons: to follow and track down some esacpees of the caliphate and also to protect trade routes, he had no intention of bringing "Islam " to pakistan. Thats why he came and went till multan and returned back. There was no ship or prisoners in Raja Dahir's custody that is told to us which MBQ was pursuing.
Gautham
Jul 19, 2012 08:38pm
Dude, your observations about Indians are incorrect. There are numerous examples of Hindus marrying Muslims and celebrating parties together (weddings, festivals, house-warming ceremonies etc) - and this is not among high socialites or celebrities - this is in one small town in Southern India. I'm sure there are examples all over India. I'm not sure what litterateurs you are talking about - there were as many Hindu gazhal singers are there are muslim, there are as many Hindu shayars as there are Muslim. And if you are hinting Urdu as the basis of identity for being a Muslim, here is your moment of truth. Almost all Muslims of Southern India speak native language - Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam etc. Urdu to them is foreign. My grandfather and father were both brought up in Urdu curriculum. They know more urdu than my native tongue. I can understand mythologies can be different and religious customs could be different but one cannot define a civilization itself to be different based on just those two aspects - unless you have defined civilization to be comprising of only those two aspects.
Puneet
Jul 19, 2012 08:41pm
The earliest Vedic hymns were composed around the Saraswati ,the area now called (Indian) Punjab and Haryana.Some(not all) of these people later on moved on and settled in the Gangetic plain ; eg there is region called Malwa in Punjab as well as in Madhya Pradesh.Over centuries many new tribes eg Jats,Gujjars came and settled in Punjab,Rajasthan,Sindh,Gujarat ie the western areas of India and adopted the culture of their new home. India and Pakistan are culturally allied but India is not spiritually or culturally descended from what is now called Pakistan.
Sohail Ansari
Jul 19, 2012 08:44pm
NFP - love you man for once again touching on the most touchy subject in Pak and maintaining your humor all the time!
neel
Jul 19, 2012 08:47pm
Indian textbooks are usually written by liberal, secular types. So I doubt you'll find anything "bad" about Qasim there.
Badar
Jul 20, 2012 11:53am
What did he loot? He was sent back in a prison cage (and later executed) because of change in Caliphate. Why you have to spread liws for no good reason?
PKG
Jul 20, 2012 10:38am
Well, I went through this excellent article, but I missed the picture "Shiva Dancing with Parvati" and moved on and enjoyed full article. It is now, after you pointed out, I re-readthe artcle, and it also "hit" me. Offended,mildly, yes, but made me think - why I missed it first time and enjoyed article and why I felt offended, when you pointed it out. I was a human, when I missed it, and a Hindu, when I felt offended. Funny, isn't it.
Ghani K.
Jul 20, 2012 12:54pm
Nadeem F. Biracha : History is written by victors, vanquished have excuses. You can slice it anyway you like, Bin Qasim wrote the history,so did Ghaznavi & Ghauri.
Badar
Jul 20, 2012 11:52am
Its true that MBQ did not come to spread Islam but for strategic reasons. However, Islam was introduced and spread in sub-continent due to him and him only. Non-muslims converted to Islam due to his character and fair rule. That fact cannot be ignored.
Pemus
Jul 19, 2012 09:52pm
Converts are the biggest fanatics.
abdulrehman
Jul 20, 2012 07:20am
Though I have not studied under the Pakistani curriculum I believe the justification would be to spread God's message as it is incumbent upon all Muslims.
Hindu
Jul 19, 2012 10:06pm
I doubt that most Hindus would be offended, so don't worry about it.
Ghulam abbas
Jul 19, 2012 11:21pm
I agree with these comments.Another fact of history no body mentions that Arabs were not able to further advance into India for almost hundreds of years, due to fierce resistance put up by Gujar Rajas dynasty , which was ruling Punjab in those days( Actually name of many present day cities, like Gujar khan,point to that period of history) Muslim advance intio India has to wait till the arrival of Mahmood of Ghazna, with his famous (or infamous -depending upon to which country and religion one belong) seventeen attacks, and in the process defeating repeatedly Hindu Raja shahi family and opening the gate to further conquest, which culminated in Qutub ud din Aibak conquering Punjab . The whole point of discussion is that if you really want to put mantle of laying down roots of the process, which finally culminated in creation of Pakistan, it should be either Mahmood of Ghazna or Qutab ud din Aibak
annonymous
Jul 19, 2012 11:53pm
hai, learn to respect others religion and that would earn great respect for your religion also .simple and straight gentleman.aap izzat dijiye aur badle main izzat paiye.
Ali H. Ayub
Jul 20, 2012 12:04am
as someone who is more nationalist leaning, i tend to distance myself from the whole arab camp. But you mr. paracha obviously suffer from some arab phobia complex. Being a die hard marxist, youre better of snuggling with your communist friends. Your views represent 0.000001% of Pakistanis.
siddhu
Jul 20, 2012 03:21am
Not a tasty article this time NFP. Take your time and think better.I always appreciate you
EXMUSLIM
Jul 20, 2012 12:22am
Please Read Baburnama or other books regarding Islamic Invasion of Bharat....Your Ancestors were forciby converted to Islam and tempeles were demolised and upon it mosues were build.. .http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/islamic-slavery-part-5-enslavement-by-muslims-in-india-during-the-mughal-period/ Howere FORCE CONVERION IS NOT A THING OF PAST ...hINDU GIRLS ARE BEING FORCIBY CONVERTED TO ISLAM IN PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH...I am not saying you to Reconvert to your Ancestors faith but atleast Respect them...And don't forcibly Convert other Hindu and Sikh Girls..
Shilpa
Jul 20, 2012 12:41am
NFP zindabad!! u rock..
Mustafa Razavi
Jul 20, 2012 01:27am
If we are descendents of Hindus why India cannot create Amir Khusro, Mirza Ghalib and Allama Iqbal anymore? Why any one of the hundred Indian languages not like Urdu?The Hindutva fascists are creating a myth of a great Indian empire and civilization. This civilization could never invent a word for civilization, instead decided to plagiarizer the Arabic word Tahzeeb as it's own. This mighty empire fell to an Arab naval assault that it's deep state is now trying to ridicule in this article.
Mustafa Razavi
Jul 20, 2012 01:29am
Smoking ephedrine again in that corner?
Mohammad Ali Khan
Jul 20, 2012 01:32am
Pakistan is a" khichri" of Hindu,Islamic,Persian,Mongol and British Civilizations.
riza
Jul 20, 2012 01:37am
I shall simply like to ask 2 questions: (1) How Hindus and Muslims co-existed on the subcontinental soil for thousands of years. (2) How they behave and go on with each other on foreign soils like UK and USA even today after implementation of two-nation theory? So the main question arises: DO YOU REALLY NEED TO DECLARE PARTITION OF WAYS OR PRACTICING OF RELIGION THROUGH HATE, RIDICULE AND MOST DEPLORABLY MURDER?
JSD
Jul 20, 2012 02:04am
Bashir Sahib, Once children are older they can form a balanced judgement for themselves Well said.Rulers interpret history the way it suits them. From across the Eastern Border.
Vicky
Jul 20, 2012 02:04am
+1
BRR
Jul 20, 2012 02:09am
You want validation of TNT? Well, it failed miserably because 2 became 3, now about to become 4 if things continue on its track. Is that enough repudiation of TNT? Or are you waiting for some more splintering?
BRR
Jul 20, 2012 02:11am
Well, if Jinnah was so right, why did he not predict that his TNT would end up costing millions of lives only to become 3 nations, now perhaps ending up becoming 4 nations.
Nate Gupta
Jul 20, 2012 02:24am
Nadeemji, I have noticed a lot of history, twisted and being brought in the present time of Pakistan. You are the only one who would think of taking the current happenings of the country back in the past. Very creative! Kudos to you :) - Nate Gupta
Badar
Jul 20, 2012 02:27am
NFP -- What exactly you wanted to say in this article? It might be good humor against those whom you don't like ideologically. But you neither corrected history nor served any purpose. The truth of the matter is that Qasim invaded and conquered Sindh, established a fair government, many Sindhis became Muslims (I guess you don't like that) but Hindus continued to be in majority and continued to live their lives peacefully. Pakistan was not born when Qasim came (not sure whose idea is this but never heard of it before). Overall, this article indicated you can draw cartoons as well (if indeed they were yours). You may think of becoming a cartoonist now...yeah?
Sunny
Jul 20, 2012 02:28am
Dawn is also blocking my comments. I do not know why? This is an awesome artcle. To Hitesh, seriously Nadim is not making fun of Hindu gods and goddesses. I am hindu too. Most Hindu rulers of that time did not take the art of war very seriously. He is indirectly alluding to that (IMHO). I will save this artcle for some of my friends to read.
Tariq K Sami
Jul 20, 2012 02:42am
But tell me how do you explain the conquest of Sind and southern Punjab upto Multan by a 17 or 18 year old prince with no more than 6000 Syrian troops sailing from the port of Basra in 711AD. How do you explain the conquest of Bengal by Ikhtiaruddin Mohammad Bakhtiar Khilji with only 200 horsemen. How do you explain the march from Meerut to Delhi by Major Hodson with only 1200 men in 1857. Looks like the masses had no role in what ever was going around them.
MAD
Jul 20, 2012 02:53am
Qasim 's conquest, as described by Stanley Lane-Poole, in Medieval India (Published in 1970 by Haskell House Publishers Ltd), was "liberal". He imposed the customary poll tax, took hostages for good conduct and spared peoples' lives and lands. He even left their shrines undesecrated: 'The temples;, he proclaimed, 'shall be inviolate, like the churches of the Christians, the synagogues of the Jews and altars of the Magians'.[25] In the same text, however, it is mentioned that "Occasional desecration of Hindu fanes took place...but such demonstrations were probably rare sops to the official conscience..". (From Wiki"Muhammad Bin Qasim)
muraligv
Jul 20, 2012 02:57am
For a change Laal topiwala wore a black topi in the pic. I have always liked him on TV. You can't ask for a better comedy show when this topiwala opens his mouth.
Sindhudesh
Jul 20, 2012 06:32am
Muhammad Bin Qasim a revered figure? Ha! Go to any town of Sindh, including Karachi, and you'll see how most people believe he was a usurper. Read GM Syed. He is more respected in Sindh than Qasim. Some people here are behaving like Nazis who thought Hitler was a revered figure.
zubairahmed
Jul 20, 2012 03:59am
NFP.. u are great.. Zaid Hamid will issue a fatwa soon... NFP u are wrong.. Pakistan was created along with Big Bang.. We, the sindhi nationalists, too consider Bin Qasim as a looter and murderer.. .. and raja dahir as a son of the soil who fought for his motherland the Sindh. Islam was introduced by sufis and aalims even before bin qasim..
Imran
Jul 20, 2012 04:00am
Hindus and Muslims did coexist in the subcontinent for hundreds, not thousands of years. Islam came into being less than 1500 years ago. Islam in the indian subcontinent is probably less than 1300 years old. It's the baby in the family of all major religions of the world.
saad
Jul 20, 2012 04:04am
mass murderer? He fought against an Army and defeated it. Beyond that he is not one known for slaughtering common folks in the areas he took to.
jeet
Jul 20, 2012 04:04am
Please remove the image of Hindu Gods .Dont bring them in to your dirty world. No one can save pakistan which was created of islam hatred
Mirza Usman
Jul 20, 2012 04:06am
I think it is immoral to hit other religions like this. As Hindu god Shiva is hit.
saad
Jul 20, 2012 04:06am
Because unlike Hindus who think of religion as a personal thing, Muslims think of it as a societal issue and something that is beyond just what is in ones heart.
mhs
Jul 20, 2012 04:07am
Dear Kali Kaly, Sorry to say, very few Hindus are real secular minded as well. I have gone thru a lot of people of diferent religions. The only difference is that they don't say openly as in some people from other religions do in some regions. India/Pakistan/Bangladesh is all the same. Please leave this "I do, you donot do" attitude behind and work together.
Khan
Jul 20, 2012 04:09am
+10,
saad
Jul 20, 2012 04:12am
How dare you put the proper context on a NFP thread? How could anyone like MBQ, linked with Islam or Islamist thought, be a humanist? And how dare you take Muhammad Bin Qasim more seriously than "yum Yum"? Just get with the program and drop a line here in support of the almighty NFP, the beacon of humanity and all things wise. There should be nothing here except mindless one-liners extolling the amazing humor and logic of our new found genius NFP.
Virkau
Jul 20, 2012 04:16am
That is the point.
Ishtiaq Bajwa
Jul 20, 2012 04:19am
Yes, I am a Muslim and I am ashamed to accept that had it been a depiction of any of our most revered icons then whole of Pakistan would have been set ablaze by our religious parties by now(or today, cuz its friday and an ideal time to set fire to public property after Jummah). NFP is not mocking mohammad bin Qasim or Islam here. He is mocking the way history is molded in Pakistan by everyone to suite their own cause. However, using the pictorial depictions of Marry, Baby Jesus & Joseph and Hindu God Shiva & Parvati should most definitely have been avoided, just to not give anyone from other communities a reason to act as wildly as we do.
sri1ram
Jul 20, 2012 04:23am
I have not seen much mention of Raja Dahir in Indian texts, maybe a brief mention of his resistance to Bin Qasim. But I have read up on this since. Historically there were 16 raids from the mid-east into India before Qasim, where unguarded temples were looted of gold and wealth. Logically, for gaining more treasure to fund their armies, any general had to strategically think of invading a resource-rich and abundant land. Once they got an excuse that women were abducted, it was easy for them to justify attacks. There were enough reports that coastal tribes (not even under the Raja's suzerainty) were responsible, and Raja Dahir even sent emissaries explaining the same, but of course decisions had been made by then. I am sure that textbooks in your land use the abductions and "suffering of Indians under the Raja" as justifications for the invasion, but I would beg to differ that the "Golden sparrow" would not have been so golden then had that been the case.
sri1ram
Jul 20, 2012 04:45am
How heart-felt and very true, my friend. But as an Indian, I have seen coalition politics at work for the past 25 years in my nation. Strategic U-turns, strange bed-fellows, ideological dilutions, constituency calculations, survival and adaptability are the different facets of the game, however distasteful. Imran Khan cannot afford to be idealistic and naive any more - he is just bending to the ground realities that PML-N and PPP are too well entrenched with humongous favor-networks and he has to think like them to beat them. If he does come to power somehow, we should probably measure him by his record for a year or so. One can consider this as a teething or political re-birthing process for IK. If IK manages to somehow run the nation with slow, but lasting solutions the same way he ran his cancer hospital with clear-eyed, practical milestones, then Pakistanis will have a lot to thank him for. Otherwise, how much further can the situation worsen? So maybe Pakistanis should give IK a chance, even with his U-turns and bed-fellows.
saad
Jul 20, 2012 04:28am
Perhaps NFP should take a bit of your advice too and move on as his harping on the same old is really getting old and now its not even funny, its just silly sarcasm that by each day is turning more and more personal. In the past it used to be directed against certain ideologies and mindsets. Now its no-holds-barred critique of childish qualities against personalities. Lets get real with idiotic trash like "Yum yum" and silly text blurbs on pictures. Its certainly not the Dawn that I have been reading for the past 40 years. Obviously NFP is getting quite a bit of time on photoshop lately.
Saad
Jul 20, 2012 04:37am
hilarious and lovely ... that Balochistan thingy is even amazing ... love it
MKB
Jul 20, 2012 04:38am
Never mind Hitesh, Nadim is great. He can poke in to any thing. They are harmless. The dance sequance is performed by human being decepting Shiva & Parbati. No Hindu or alike will not feel bad about it. After all Hinduism is a very liveral religion.
saad
Jul 20, 2012 04:38am
500 million cannot be "forced" converted to a religion. Our ancestors saw the racist and bigoted tendencies of the culture and religion of the old they were living and decided to join the ranks of a religion that at its best offers equality for all. Mosques have been built over other structures and then other structures have been built over mosques all around the World. By building mosques, people don't join Islam. They join it because they see something different in it. All people of the world deserve our respect, be they Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews, Ahmedis or any others. Lets not suggest that Islam disrespects other religions. Us Muslims have plenty of people amongst us who don't understand their responsibilities towards those of other religions but that is not the case with All of us Muslims. The majority of us believe in living and letting others live in their own way of life. We believe in the day of judgment and the purpose of it which is to let a deity more powerful than ourselves decide who stands where on the scales. Given this belief, who am I to pass judgment on you or anyone else?
Baba Sidni
Jul 20, 2012 04:52am
Sure, the root is not Arab, but have you ever heard of grafted mangoes?
Guest
Jul 20, 2012 09:19am
True. Say sorry. NFP. Al Bakistan Al-Khalifa Al Khajoor
Saima Khan
Jul 20, 2012 05:16am
Amazing how so many people are mistaking this as a satire against Bin Qasim. It's more a satire of the myths that right-wing forces in Pakistan have created around him. Also, Paracha sharply uses this to to also comment on these right-wing groups' politics of today.
sierrabrave
Jul 20, 2012 05:16am
Ignorance is clearly bliss! That India absorbed some Arabic words (as it has from many other "civilisations")does not make it any lesser but Greater for the fact that it always has had the confidence and self assuredness to absorb external influences. BTW i can think of at least three "original" Pre-Islamic Indian words for Civilisation but not a single one for BIGOT!
Ahmad
Jul 20, 2012 05:18am
You are completely right.NFP should never ever have done that,and I apologize on his behalf.
Manish
Jul 20, 2012 05:32am
Indians/Hindus are excelling in every field..be it science(we have 7 noble laurettes against 1 ahmadi from Pakistan), sports, arts, litreture, trade, commerce .. what plagiarze, for e.g sake are you aware zero and decimal were invented by Hindus?Pakistanis need to come out of their ostrich like attitude to appreciate civlization other than Islam..The fact of the day is that Islam only came into existence in the 7th century whereas Hinduism/Buddhism are several thousand years old civilization...
ahmad butt
Jul 20, 2012 05:20am
Well, same with the Pakistani textbooks, lot less is taught about the harrapa,ghandara and mohenjodaro, and buddhist influences and all pre-qasim history and then we do a massive jump to the muslim invasion and mughal empire, and 1857. This confined syllabus in not only in the matric/intermediate but also O level Pakistan studies(not sure if the Cambridge/Oxford education board have updated it ) Same we are not taught on the origins of all invasions and other interaction that have incurred in the subcontinent from the north to the south. Pakistan was a part of the silk route, and turkic muslims tibetians and chinese were frequent travelers and their culture influenced north of Pakistan and Kashmir. Same with south, the baluchi people in south had a great role in the camel expeditions who discovered routes of Australia, we dont get much credit for such a feat, the Afghans do which is strange, there aren't many camels in Afghanistan are they? I have heard from Greeks and Macedonians who wanted to travel to the north of Pakistan to see the remnants tribes of alexanders warring armies, i was left a bit guilty when asked whether i have toured there and what the government is doing to preserve cultural heritage. In a nutshell, we should all hope our curriculum of Pakistan Studies and sub-continent history carefully revised. NF Paracha's main target audience in my opinion is not the general public which is commenting, but the officials in our academic boards( even in India) who dont have a clue or say in what our young generation must be taught.
Dixit
Jul 20, 2012 05:20am
Ishtiaq, I like your way of putting it in words. Thanks.
ahmad butt
Jul 20, 2012 05:34am
Yes, all wars are about controlling power and resources, leaving behind the impact is the byproduct or spoils of post-war. The mughals didnt come to spread islam, they couldnt conquer Afghanistan thats why they chose to invade india. The Chinese chose to build a feat namely the great wall of China, but they confined themselves so the turkish from the west and the mongols from the other side did them a favor come to think of it by exchange of cultures and ideas, now Genghis Khan is revered as a leader who brought a sense of uniformity to the different dynasties of China.
Sylvester India
Jul 20, 2012 05:35am
Agreed - but why trash the Sindhi King / Hindus and show everything pre-Islamic in a bad light only to justify the brutality, pillage and abduction of women by foreign invaders. After all - there were no muslims in Sindh when he invaded and all Sindhis must have suffered.
Kaly
Jul 20, 2012 05:55am
The reason is there were no unity among people of India and few people helped them to conquer Indian subcontinent which is the root cause of all problems today we faced in India/Pakistan, otherwise our ancestors is same. People need to realize that.
riza
Jul 20, 2012 05:56am
sorry for the typo error. you are right. Actually i want to write, "for thousand years." But no sorry for other arguments.
azharali
Jul 20, 2012 06:30am
Epic piece of writing......luv the way it has depicted the distortion in our history...
Omer
Jul 20, 2012 06:32am
With reference to comment from Hitesh, an apology is due from NFP. Though i believe this was unintentional, however, we are not supposed to engage ourselves in matters of other religions.
rajat
Jul 20, 2012 05:43am
258 Comments. Congrats NFP Ateast you brought back the bloggers to Dawn .
Srihari
Jul 20, 2012 05:46am
@ Hitesh: I am sure we can live with this. Our dance forms depict our Gods & Goddesses in a beautiful way and any religion is not so weak to get hassled by some pictures. It is the holier than thou zealots who shame religions. NFP..great article as always. Godspeed !
Kaly
Jul 20, 2012 05:47am
The root of all problem is because of invasion of Moguls in Indian subcontinent, why, let me tell you:- 1) India/Pakistan/Bangladesh and even Afghanistan were part of original subcontiment. 2) We all were so called Hindus, with c grade system called so called caste system. 3) Then Moguls came and some of our own people help them to invade Indian subcontinent. 4) By the use of sword some got converted, some got converted due to oppression from upper caste. 5) Then Pakistan got created based on particular religion. 6) Against Bangladesh got created due to oppression from a section of Pakistani people. 7) Now everyday we fight on religious ground be it in Pakistan or India. So my point is had there been no invasion from Arabs, no divison/no seperate country/ No Hindu Muslim division/ no C grade politics... Correct me if I am wrong, however this is my personal views only..
Amina Taj
Jul 20, 2012 10:32am
NFP satire is always yum, yum. :)
jibran
Jul 20, 2012 06:29am
Thats fantastic, its good to ridicule those who use our misinterpret our roots, and have been using it for their personal benefits, Thanks indeed for dawn to let it print and see our people how we have been doing back there......boom boom qasim hahhahah....
riza
Jul 20, 2012 06:01am
Dear Mufti sb. First prove that majority of Pakistanis favor religuous extremism. Shouting slogans on the basis of gun power brings no authenticity to your claim.
Gauhar Vatsyayan
Jul 20, 2012 06:35am
Dear Kdspirited ji, Your answer seems to be the by product of the defunct educational history which is being taught to you in Pakistan. Indus valley civilazation or indus -saraswati civilazation as its called in India was a pure Vedic civilization. The civilazation had spanned for 2000 years, 5000 years before. During that period there were 6 schools of thoughts and Budhism came later giving another school of thought. Hinduism was a much later term coined. If u would have asked a person of Indus valley civilization about the name of his dharma/religion, he would have a blank look. Buddhism, Jainism, hinduism are different school of thoughts of common indian origin and they share amazing similarities. Your Taxila university was as much a vedic university as it was budhist because majority of the vedic compendiums were penned downed there. regards
Sindhudesh
Jul 20, 2012 06:36am
And I bet most of those who are getting so upset here by this fine piece of satire didn't even go through the text. They just reacted by looking at the pictures. Amazing.
Pravin
Jul 20, 2012 06:04am
Salim, Same here! The pose taken by the two dancers is so perfect and so beautiful!! I don't find anything offensive here. -Pravin
Kaly
Jul 20, 2012 06:05am
So by becoming Muslim what great you have achieved? Just nothing.....
Usman
Jul 20, 2012 06:12am
In my opinion. No ideology is right or wrong, it is the people who make that ideology right or wrong. We Pakistanis are being confused regarding our history, the new media trend is to ridicule our national heroes and cutting ourselves from history and thus questioning two nation theory. People like NFP are genius but i feel this is turning evil on occasions. i think he should draw a line somewhere. This has to stop. Gandhi and Nehru were not angels but not that kind of mockery is made of them by indian media. The bottom line is.... " we are muslims then we are pakistanis. All muslim rulers, generals or saints who have directly or indirectly played a part in spreading the religion must be respected. Jamat e islami should not be highlighted often as they have just 2 % following in our country. We reject any such secular move that tries to negate two nation theory or our islamic roots."
aybis
Jul 20, 2012 06:15am
I expected better Paracha. Usually your writing contains some depth. However, this should be flushed down the hole. Satire with depth and more lucid creativity would have been a lot more amusing, entertaining as well as informative. I wish you actually took this and provided more detail instead of just picking up mainstream elements of pakistani society and mixing it with primitive comedy. Don't get me wrong, I don't usually find your writing this horrible.
Kaly
Jul 20, 2012 06:21am
Social issues? As if you have done anything great,,,,read proper history, find out you ancesorts
Ali Romi
Jul 20, 2012 06:52am
We Sindhis consider Raja Dahir our Hero. Qasim was plunderer and he occupied Sindh. Making Qasim hero ultimately means the based of Pakistan are rooted in the destruction of Sindh. If that is the case, liberation movement in Sindh is well justified.
Suleyman
Jul 20, 2012 07:00am
This article in my opinion attempts to highlight the complexity of Pakistani nationalism in a satirical manner. I guess some people in Pakistan and many in the rest of the sub-continent believe that Pakistan is a product of Arab Imperialism but that is a misconception. Yes Islam was introduced to this region by Muhammad bin Qasim and his entourage but there were also Persian and Turkic Muslims who helped shape the nation's identity. The presence of the Ummah should not be confused with Arab imperialism. Of course Pakistan has an ethnic identity common with other parts of the region but the Muslim identity is more nostalgic and draws in stronger sentiments than any other. It gives Pakistanis a deeper connection with Muslims from all over the world. That said Muhammad bin Qasim conquest of SIndh not only set a foundation for the creation of Pakistan but ensured that Islam will be practised by millions in the region. Thank you Muhammad Bin Qasim.
Taimoor
Jul 20, 2012 07:02am
bloody and liberal - both at the same time?
Javaid
Jul 20, 2012 10:29am
Agreed, Islam should never be about the sword, but about love & understanding.... not in Mr. Bin Qasim. Mohammad Bin Qasim was just a swashbuckling guy, who just came to the Sub-Continent to loot it's wealth & End-up back in Arabia, where he was killed by his own Caliph (at age 20) by being suffocated in cow-hides (strangely enough Cows are sacred in Hinduism). Nobody even knows where he is buried. At least we know that Mohammad Ali Jinnah was buried in Karachi & we can pay our respects to him. And Muslims were already there before Mohammad Bin Qasim plundered Sindh.
j shami
Jul 20, 2012 07:59am
NFP: Relax.
Yawar
Jul 20, 2012 07:11am
What makes NFP such an effective satirist? Simple. He uses it to trigger a discussion on the most thorny issues.
Sg Datar
Jul 20, 2012 07:13am
Being an Indian secularist, I do not object to Shiv Parvati depiction in the article; but at the same time as a true Indian Hindu secular, I will strongly object to a slightest slight to Islam/Muslim. After all, I am a politician too!
R.Kannan
Jul 20, 2012 07:19am
Ahmed Butt says " I am curious how the Indians view raja dahir and muhammad bin qasim and am looking forward for some honest remarks if they can provide us reference from their textbooks or opinion based on how India has shaped up after partition". I have never heard of Raja dahir or Md Bin qasim till I read this article. butt's comments regarding Gandhi also show his ignorance of history. Gandhi is widely respected in South Africa because he started the anti apartheid movement there which ended nearly a century later. he returned to india and became the leader of the freeedom movement over a period of 2 decades and was not somebody who was ' imported' from south Africa. Jinnah was established in Congress before Gandhi came but could not become a mass leader. In the 1930s, Jinnah decided to migrate to Britain. If anything, it can be claimed that Jinnah was "imported" to fulfill British desire to partition India.
Gauhar Vatsyayan
Jul 20, 2012 07:26am
A Pakistani Ordinary citizen talking about history............. ha ha ha ha What a joke...... Noe even a child in your street knows that you are being taught defunct history in schools. regards
Taimoor Dil Sher
Jul 20, 2012 07:41am
No meri jaan !!!!! No sufi's or muslim aalim's before MBQ and remember ....... MBQ was sent bcz of a letter written with blood by a muslim women held in"custody" by RD .... he didn't wilfully invade
Ibrahim Ghanchi
Jul 20, 2012 07:43am
Very well said Saad Bashir . I totally agree with you
Ibrahim Ghanchi
Jul 20, 2012 07:45am
A good " Khichri" sir !
From Qasim Himself
Jul 20, 2012 07:50am
Those getting cramps about this satire should read the following pieces on MBQ by Mubarek Ali. He's one of the most respected historian of Pakistan and a mentor of NFP. http://www.oocities.org/mubarak4one/mubarak/artic... http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/07/reinterp...
Irfan Hussain
Jul 20, 2012 08:18am
Pakistanis have started believing bin Qasim as a saviour to the Indian subcontinent after the Saudi oil started flowing to the region. I don’t remember seeing any text book before 1960s pretending warriors as heroes.
ahmad butt
Jul 20, 2012 10:21am
Not really, until Imran Khan and PTI comes to power, you cannot comment on their performance. Lack of opportunity is not equal to lack of performance, unfortunately the evil and shrewd world of politics means u need to manipulate the masses rather than get selected on performance on a lower level and rise( as you would expect in the other careers and sports). In actuality Pakistan is not ready for a revolution nor are the masses aware, we are merrily voicing our opinions on the internet and a mere fraction of the society, majority of our quam is still struggling for roti,kapra and makan, ironic i wonder if there is any documented civilization in 40,000 years of human history that voted a political party to power based on a similar logo.
SAM
Jul 20, 2012 08:29am
The Article is absolutely Hilarious.....But I would love to read the actual reason behind Qasim's adventure...I am sure the writer is fully aware........:)
Nitin(New Bombay)
Jul 20, 2012 09:14am
Litmus test for BEING HUMAN 1)Those who read this article and laugh are BEING HUMAN 2)Those who read this article and Blame Muslim's and Hindu's are simply Muslim or Hindu but are NOT BEING HUMAN.
B.Ally
Jul 20, 2012 09:21am
I am in search of a Native Person as my hero. The invaders turned heroes resembles so closely to present day Taliban
LearnedK
Jul 20, 2012 07:16pm
Creation of Pakistan by the British and Sir Olaf Caroe's(the last British Governor of NWFP) discussion with my father. India has two Civilizations---The Indus Valley Civilization and the Gangetic Valley Civilization (In Hindi the Ganges river is called "Ganga")._ _The basis for creating Pakistan was not because it is the homeland of the Muslims (There are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan)._It was this Indus Valley Civilization that ruled Northern India from the Arabian Sea in the West, to Kashmir in the East and the borders of Afghanistan, and sometimes included Afghanistan._The British understood this historical basis for unraveling what they had put together. What they had put together had a major fault line and they divided India along this fault line. Their reasoning was that this would be more peaceful than when it splits asunder under the force of its own tectonic movement.
Salman G.
Jul 21, 2012 03:39pm
Btw, NFP, why on earth havn't you written a book by now?
Ammar
Jul 20, 2012 06:19pm
Though Dawn never publish my comments but still I ll try. ( Magical words courtesy Harish Bansal ) "I don't take it offensive" I must congratulate you for your ultra liberalism but go to any Indian news site & publish your this comment "I don't take it offensive" & you'll get massive reward for this liberalism.........
Salman G.
Jul 21, 2012 03:38pm
Ive arrived late to the party but after reading the comments it's obvious more than half of the commentators had no idea what NFP is going on about. Only if many of these guys had actually READ the satire instead of just making up their minds by looking at the images, they would have understood that the writer was simoly satirizing and parodying the many historical myths that our schools, politicians and the establishment use to keep an artificial sense of unity in this country. This artificial unity is aggressively peddled by those who also use it to retain their own elite status, sometimes in the name of patriotism, and sometimes religion. Kudos, NFP.
Puneet
Jul 20, 2012 07:11pm
I think the similarity of names is confusing you - the mythological Gandharvas have no connection to the kingdom of Gandhara. And Panini may have been born/lived in Gandhara but he was definitely no Pathan.
SFA
Jul 20, 2012 07:11pm
Just read about Cabinet Mission Plan in Abul Kalam Azad book "India Wins Freedom" and you will understand the scenario. Pakistan was created because of the stubborn behavior of Congress and it's leaders which the Indians now admit themselves. That's why Jaswant Singh (founding leader of BJP) praised Quaid-e-Azam (most people in this blog likes to call him Jinnah) in this recent book.
LearnedK
Jul 20, 2012 07:18pm
Continued...... In the last 5,000 years both these Civilizations had been brought under a single rule only three times. 1. The Maurya Empire under Ashoka (321 BC) tried to amalgamate the two civilization. 2. The Mughal Empire (1526 --1857) and its successor, 3. The British Empire (1857-1947). The link below will give you a nanosecond view of the Maurya Empire and how Buddhism played its role with Ashoka's conversion. http://www.slideshare.net/gsill/maurya-and-gupta-... Buddhism did not take hold in the Gangetic Civilisation which gave it birth but rather in the Indus valley Civilization. The languages of the Indus Valley were many over time (Indo-Persian) and later Arabic have influenced it to what we see today across Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Gangetic Civilization was influenced by (Rig Veda) Sanskrit and you see it in the Hindi spoken today in Bharat (the current country we call India). This is the historic birds eye of Hindustan (anglicized: India) and its two major civilizations._
Irfan
Jul 20, 2012 07:21pm
May be he will mention the next time why mqm's pir said sorry for creating Pakistan during his visit there.
AKA ANDANI
Jul 20, 2012 07:58pm
WRONG,WRONG AND WRONG AGAIN ,ARE HISTORY START WITH JINNA NOT WITH THOSE ARABS ,WE ARE NOT ARABS ,WE ARE PAKISTANI,LAYING TO PEOPLE AGAIN.WE GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THOSE ARABS.
Deb
Jul 20, 2012 10:53pm
Budhism came after Hinduism. Factual error on your part. And there was no Arayan invasion either. Another factual error.
waleedqasim
Jul 20, 2012 11:16pm
I did not refer to only Islam. I used the word 'religions' and well some of the rulers might be bad but I'am sure there must be some rulers who were good as well, like all normal people there are good ones and some unfortunately turn out to be bad :/
Ghani K
Jul 21, 2012 06:10pm
GM Syed was a disgruntled politician. If he called himself 'Syed', obviously he was not a convert from Hinduism. All Syeds trace their roots to Arabia. May be Bin Qasim was his 3rd cousin.
saleem
Jul 20, 2012 11:57pm
zeeshan bhai....deeekkkhaaaiinnnn....ziada tadad ka matlab nahin hai key woh sahin haaiiinn.......shukriya
saleem
Jul 20, 2012 11:59pm
sheeda tulli?
saleem
Jul 21, 2012 12:05am
self centered....oops...content....deekkkhaaiinn....dunya aikeesweein sadi main hai aur aapp abhi taaakk saallloon purani saltanat keylie ro rahi haiin....pedram sultan bood.......wha ji wah
saleem
Jul 21, 2012 12:14am
dekha sidhu baajii...article ka print lein us par pakoray or chatni daleen...bhuat tasty lagey ga!
Abdullah N
Jul 21, 2012 06:05pm
@Munir Ahmad ; NFBiracha is biased against anyone who is even slightly on the left of the centre. He is a mouthpiece of PPP & MQM, never touches the subject related to honchos of both parties. He is admirer of AAZ & his cronies & loves status quo.
thomas
Jul 21, 2012 02:16am
Humor is a universal language and Nadeem Paracha is fluent in it, speaking it with winning insight, a sincere humility and a whipsmart intelligence . This writer would find a welcome home anywhere in the world. Too bad that is not true for Pakistanis in general.
Sam
Jul 21, 2012 04:51pm
Great article. I am surprised to see so many Pakistanis acting as Arabs and abandoning their own rich Asian culture.
Omar
Jul 21, 2012 04:43pm
@Hitesh: Good point and respect!
TheseusIam
Jul 22, 2012 01:58pm
No need to convert 500 million. That was not the population when Sindh was invaded.
manish
Jul 21, 2012 04:06am
with the benefit of hindsight. how effectively people can manipulate the truth...or cook up new stories.. what if today india disintegrates into southern part and northern...then you will say aryan and dravadian culture....
adithan
Jul 21, 2012 04:24am
ha ha ha
Obi
Jul 21, 2012 04:29am
I'm from Sindh and your view is wrong.
Just Zen
Jul 21, 2012 04:31am
Correct: " Satt (Truth) Sri (Supreme) Akaal (Timeless): The Truth is Supreme and Timeless.
Mustafa Razavi
Jul 22, 2012 03:50pm
Fatah; Don't create confusion by inventing new spellings for established words, What is Hindo?. The word "Hindu" is the Persian pronunciation of the Sanskrit "Sindhu". Just like "Saft" in old Indian languages is pronounced "Haft" in Persian, meaning the number 7. Hindu as used in Arabic, Persian or Urdu refers to the religion itself as well as individuals. The Arabs over a period of time molded the term to add a Geo-Political dimension which can be interpreted as a nation or country, as also reflected in the current Persian or Urdu usage.
Hitesh
Jul 21, 2012 05:16am
Thanks for your genuine concern !
Hitesh
Jul 21, 2012 05:23am
Then don't think all the minorities from India and Pakistan should migrated to their respective domains ? Or shouldn't be their such a system to safeguard a tleast their lives forget about welfare ? Now could you quote yourself where Pakistan is ?
Hitesh
Jul 21, 2012 05:24am
He is trying to change the wrong foundation as the structure above is good or at least worth saving.
Fatah
Jul 21, 2012 05:07pm
'Hindo' is not a religion; but it is a geographic name given by Arabs to a piece of land .
Raoul Ciao
Jul 21, 2012 06:17am
The gods forgive, because we are their creation/children (at least what these Hindoos believe). We don't in their names and kill....in some religions'. Let that be understood Mirza. That is the problem.
Raoul Ciao
Jul 21, 2012 06:18am
I too liked Hitesh's comments and the spirit of not taking offence enough to kill....... they seem to be definitely made of more tolerant and humane stuff than JI etc.
Raoul Ciao
Jul 21, 2012 06:23am
Bhai jaan, ab bas karo......kyon 2 nation theory ko is satire mein lapet rahe hain aap?
Indian
Jul 21, 2012 06:43am
To bhai khichri khao aur maaza lo!!! why spilt daal from rice!!!
Sangeeta Rao
Jul 21, 2012 07:06am
Hahaha. Awesome !
Guru
Jul 21, 2012 07:35am
Muhammad, I agree you are happy to be muslim and reaping the violence which was practiced by Qasim and his army till today. Your own muslim brothers (talibans) are modern time Qasims/ghaznis/moghuls. After hundreds of years your children will praise taliban and say "we should be grateful to talibans, on their invasion we are barbarians (mlechhas)"
Qasim
Jul 27, 2012 12:59pm
Well done once again, NFP. Legend has it that Muhammad bin Qasim actually came after the survivor's of the prophet's family after the massacre in Karbala. The history of muslims is as dark as their present, if not more, so I don't understand what this halucinated pride is about.
Mustafa Razavi
Jul 21, 2012 08:00am
Manish, if you invented 0, tell me what was the answer a Chinese Abacus gave 4000 years ago when a Chinese kid entered 3 - 3, Did the Abacus just catch fire or returned an error message saying "Waiting for India to be civilized".
Usman
Jul 21, 2012 08:06am
very well said Mr.Muhammad Ahmad. the truth of the matter is that indians on this forum like anything negating our heroes and our religious roots. Thus showing why Pakistan was necessary. we dont share anything except for some pro indian, anti two nation theory, so called hyper advanced Pakistanis. It has become a fashion to bash two nation theory. Media should stop airing such propaganda.
maverick
Jul 21, 2012 08:33am
Yes, I agreewith you on the "humpur " thing. We Indians have become so touchy. nless we can laugh at ourselves life will be so boring. We have started getting very touchy. The prime example of that is Mamta Banerjee. Lets have some humour & satire back. Cyrs Barocha is there bt we need Jaspal Bhatti back too.
maverick
Jul 21, 2012 08:37am
Rana, Every muslim in North of Vindhyas think they are Arabs or Pathans. Very few are and more likely they are Tajiks, Khazaks , Turkmen rather than Arabs if at all when the lineage is foreign, it is mostly Hindu & buddhist except for a small minority. This is what "Black Gold" has done to our thinking.
Mustafa Razavi
Jul 21, 2012 09:39am
Just like NFP and his minions from across the border owns history till the tsunami gets here.
Nasiroski
Jul 21, 2012 09:13am
I agree I think he trying to make a point with religious depictions of Hinduism and Christianity, but he should be careful, he does not belong to either group. He is a Muslim and should have liberty to speak freely about his religion.
TheseusIam
Jul 22, 2012 01:59pm
History written by Mr. Yum Yum?
rupesh
Jul 21, 2012 12:56pm
less than what is needed and passive outpour from nadeem
TheseusIam
Jul 22, 2012 01:38pm
The native Americans do not consider the invader Thomas Jefferson as their hero but Pakistanis do consider foreign invader Qasim as their hero. So the comparison fails.
Taimur
Jul 21, 2012 07:11pm
zeeshan How dare you belittle my work.
saleem
Jul 21, 2012 07:19pm
azam sahib....dekhaaaiinnn..khajur apne demag sai nekalein,...aur uqal se kaam lain,...shukriya
TheseusIam
Jul 22, 2012 01:41pm
Everyone knows that he is a PPP guy. He never hides it. So what's your point?
TheseusIam
Jul 22, 2012 01:44pm
The mighty gods can take a little parody from puny humans. We puny humans don't have to defend them.
Raj
Jul 21, 2012 08:32pm
Great Work. Good going NFP
waleedqasim
Jul 21, 2012 09:48pm
mass murderer, do you have any proof for the mass killings he did. A war took place he defeated the army fighting against him or maybe you are confusing him with chengiz khan??
TheseusIam
Jul 22, 2012 01:45pm
Take a chill pill. You don't talk for Hindus. If you think you do, you are no better than the Taliban.
TheseusIam
Jul 22, 2012 01:50pm
:-). The following was taken from that Sam Wiki you quote from "When Muhammad bin Qasim passed through Makran while raising forces, he had to re-subdue the restive Umayyad towns of Fannazbur and Arman Belah (Lasbela)[6] The first town assaulted was Debal and upon the orders of Al-Hajjaj, he exacted a bloody retribution on Debal by giving no quarter to its residents or priests and destroying its great temple."
Sameer
Jul 22, 2012 03:31pm
As a pakistani, i am confused about my identity today. Weren't our ancestors part and parcel of this land this sub-continent , or punjabis or sindhis. Although i am muslim , i do ot want to identify as an an arab or turk, my identity is my land, my ancestors .......which has a civilizational continuity of many millenia. My history can't start with an invasion of my own motherland by a foreign invader of arab origin, despite the fact that i am muslim by a fate of history ...................i self -identify as belonging to this land of seven rivers and ancient cultures , and i take pride in that my ancestors fought bravely against the likes of Alexander the Great, the Arabs, Mongols & Turks .........my pride knows no bounds when i see the gandhara sculptures and the remenants of the advanced Indus Valley civilization, the Bamian Buddhas and the Swat statues of Goddesses and the remains of Taxila , the greatest centre of learning in the world in ancient times. I will never reconcile of believe that my ancestors came as destroyers, invaders and looters of my own madre- watan ( motherland ). I refuse to accept that we belong to the same stock as Qasim and not to the race of Raja Dahir who died a matryr defending his land, people & way of like
Pankaj Patel (USA)
Jul 21, 2012 11:56pm
Bashir Sahib I don't know who Francis Drake was but don't tell me that Thomas Jefferson was perpetrator of genocide against Native Americans.He was a freedom fighter and one of the founding father of USA.Yes as per the norms those days he did own slaves but he also wrote constitution that gave them equal rights when they were not even capable of taking advantage.Don't forget those days all Muslim countries had established slavery condoned by religion. So please do not compare him with a foreign Invader.If you want to consider invaders heroes why not the British and Americans too,be honest about it.
Pankaj Patel (USA)
Jul 22, 2012 12:16am
Usmanbhai you are wrong.No Indian want to negate your heroes all we are pointing out that our invaders are your heroes.Most of them invade what is today Pakistan and all atrocities committed too were in Pakistan so we don't care about it except the British.About your roots you have forgotten your roots and all you have is stems and leaves which can not feed it self.About two nation theory no a single Indian till today want to negate it only Pakistanis say it mostly by winning war against India.
GEEBEE
Jul 22, 2012 08:17pm
understand that the disappointment level in PAKISTAN has raised to such a critical peak that instead of positive approach NEGATIVE WAVES and INTOLERANT ATTITUDE is prevailing in every walk of life.Even the most talented and intellectual lot cannot shield out itself from the influence of prevailing flux effects.
GEEBEE
Jul 22, 2012 09:25pm
understand that the disappointment level in PAKISTAN has raised to such a critical peak that instead of positive approach NEGATIVE WAVES and INTOLERANT ATTITUDE is prevailing in every walk of life.Even the most talented and
Cyrus Howell
Jul 22, 2012 09:32pm
Large response to this piece.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 22, 2012 10:05pm
Americans do consider Thomas Jefferson (author of the US Constitution) a hero. Absolutely. He did more to create America than any other one man, buying 2/5 of America's land from the French with the Louisiana Purchase, sending men to explore the continent all the way to the Pacific Ocean, and being entrusted with composing the first draft of the constitution. He stood up, with others, against George III at the time of the British colonization of India. After two wars the British were expelled from the United States. Suggest you see the film WINDTALKERS. Native Americans love their land, even though they suffered and were presented with the dirty end of the stick. It is hard to be an American Indian, but they don't turn their backs on the country just because life is hard. Not at all. They are proud of their heritage. The best soldier I ever met was a native Hawaiian and veteran of WWII, Korea and Vietnam. He anted up when Japan attacked Hawaii and the US Navy. He had so many medals and campaign ribbons one side of his shirt hung down. The Hawaiians lost their land too. It is the UNITED States of America. UNITY is America's watch word. The Civil War tore America apart and World War II united Americans, north and south and put the country back together again.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 22, 2012 10:15pm
I'll stand up with you Aka. You are 100% correct.
Umm Habibah
Jul 22, 2012 10:38pm
This was one of the most shallow articles I have read in my life. Not only does it do a grave injustice to Islamic history, but fails to provide any sort of concept at all. If you take away all the ridiculous and offensive imagery, you are left with a ridiculous thread of personal comments. Can't believe such an article actually gets print approval in a newspaper like The Dawn!
Raj
Jul 24, 2012 06:50pm
Pakistan, Afghanistan was part of the greater Hindustan and people were following Hinduism or Buddhisim. Arab and Muslim invaders, attacked Hinudustan for its immense wealth of gold, diamonds etc. Northern territories like todays Afghanistan and Pakistan bore the brutual attack. People were forcefully converted to muslims and that is the main reason that we have more concentration of muslims in the northern part, which are now Afghanistan, Pakistan and northern parts of India. Moreover, these invaders killed men who did not convert.
Pradip
Jul 25, 2012 07:11am
Javaid: I am impressed with your knowledge, precision of expression as well as an open mind. Muhammed: It struck me that your point is what is undoing Pakistan....not taking pride in your heritage -it will only exacerbate the ongoing antagonism between the new "arabs" and the new "iranians".
Pradip
Jul 25, 2012 08:03am
Agree completely with that sentiment....Gods do not get offended...neither should the others.
gary
Jul 25, 2012 07:22pm
Not true. There are more saner elements in Pakistan than you see on the free channels on the SKY network.