Pakistan has second strike capability against India

The Newspaper's Staff Reporter Published September 17, 2015

ISLAMABAD: Former defence secretary retired Lt Gen Naeem Khalid Lodhi has claimed that Pakistan possesses second strike capability against India.

He was speaking at a seminar at Strategic Vision Institute (SVI), an Islamabad-based think-tank that works on strategic issues.

The issue of second strike capability came up in the context of the conventional superiority enjoyed by India and the options for Pakistan.

The second strike provides a military the capability to hit back at an enemy in a situation where its land-based nuclear arsenal had been neutralized.

The former defence secretary said that despite the growing conventional imbalance, Pakistan had certain strengths including the nuclear parity with India and credible nuclear deterrence.

The nuclear deterrence, he said, had been augmented by the second strike capability, efficient delivery systems and effective command and control system.

He did not explain any specifics about the second strike capability, which could be sea, air or land based.

It is still unclear if Pakistan was any closer to the submarine based ‘assured second strike capability’ for stable deterrence, particularly at time when India has already made the moves towards it.

Discussing Pakistan’s second strike capability, President SVI Dr Zafar Iqbal Cheema said that Pakistan had improved its second strike capability.

Pakistan’s second strike capability, Dr Cheema said, has been augmented by deployment of Hatf-VII/Baber nuclear capable cruise missile that is launchable from aircrafts and conventional submarines. It is further fortified by the deployment of Hatf-VIII/Ra’ad air launched cruise missile, he added.

Technically speaking, he maintained, the best mode of second strike capability is submarine launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs), which neither India nor Pakistan have deployed as yet.

Published in Dawn, September 17th, 2015

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Sheeda

Sep 17, 2015 08:05am

Stop this nonsense!!!

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Inqelab Zindabad

Sep 17, 2015 08:07am

doesnt matter because India has not first use policy.

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Sushma

Sep 17, 2015 08:16am

Being nuclear is nothing to be proud of. Applies to both of them. Such a paradox - these are not strategic issues.

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Inditramp

Sep 17, 2015 08:19am

Its ok as he was addressing a seminar.The problem arises when ministers give immature statements.

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Sep 17, 2015 08:22am

I have nothing against Indians. Both governments should end this nonsense.

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Satt

Sep 17, 2015 08:34am

It's always a battle between swords and shields.When tanks didn't remain impenetrable people made nuclear bombs to thwart attack's and it will too not remain a impenetrable shield,one day a new technology will come and nuclear strikes will do become stoppable.Now it's a thing to see which country first obtains this technology and how much it will be beneficial for the country.

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Naveed

Sep 17, 2015 08:48am

Stupidity at peak !

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Nomi

Sep 17, 2015 08:52am

Both should stop talking about war. In nuclear arena there are no winners. Talk peace, live in peace.

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Dr. Abdul Rehman

Sep 17, 2015 08:52am

OK. We want development in Pakistan.

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harmony-1

Sep 17, 2015 08:57am

First strike capability is more than handful for India , why do we need second strike capability.

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Dove

Sep 17, 2015 09:00am

It would be wise to scrap all this crap and use that income for the poor welfare in both states that are struggling to provide basic services to their citizens.

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Cowasjee

Sep 17, 2015 09:00am

Nothing to brag about.

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Mili

Sep 17, 2015 09:04am

Good, now stop war mongering and move on!!

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Azeem

Sep 17, 2015 09:10am

With huge lead over India in industrial, scientific manpower research and manufacturing strength , achieving second strike capability by Pakistan is but natural. Indians will try to catch and match the capability but with their inherent industrial weakness ,it will take more than 2 decades to arrive at the level of Pakistan's advancement.

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Indian -I

Sep 17, 2015 09:12am

But Sir in India talk of the time is development .. we are not interested in this nonsense. During peace time we are unable to improve living condition our people. Just imagine .. two minor were lost their life due to Dengue in National capital all the concerned ministers are in hospital .. . this our problem to provide health care to the people standing on last line.

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Deepak Talwar

Sep 17, 2015 09:16am

Madness, sheer madness

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Sep 17, 2015 09:19am

@ga Absolutely well said mate. At the end of the day, both the Indian and Pakistan citizens are tired of this nonsense. For a change, why not talk about the the following. How can a resident of Amritsar eat lunch at home and go to Lahore for dinner? How can a Pakistani IT professional find a job in one of the many IT giants in India? Why not have a competition to see whether the beaches in Karachi or Mumbai are better? Can I have Kawa in Muzzafarabad and Wazwan in Srinagar

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Sep 17, 2015 09:21am

Highly irresponsible talk or should I say complete nonsense. This topic deserves NO attention whatsoever

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Azaad

Sep 17, 2015 09:25am

Idiotic. How does this help anyone?

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Faisal

Sep 17, 2015 09:28am

Excellent capability . proud of that .

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Stanley

Sep 17, 2015 09:37am

@Faisal His coments make no sense I appologize for faizal Remarks

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A humanistic

Sep 17, 2015 09:46am

Both of the countries should focus on eradication of poverty not on distruction of each other. They don't have food for public yet very much concentrating on these destructing technologies. It's 21st century, wake up

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Sai Praneeth

Sep 17, 2015 09:47am

I strongly advise them to focus on GDP, HDI..you have enough nukes.. You don't need nukes at all.. India has no first use policy. You can live in peace

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usman

Sep 17, 2015 09:47am

well done guyssssss

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Sajjad Khan

Sep 17, 2015 09:51am

What would happen if we sepnt this money on poverty alleviation and education instead??

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Salman Jung

Sep 17, 2015 09:56am

What is the necessary to talk about First Strike or Second Strike. It is high time, everyone in Pakistan and India talked about improving the economy and along with it the betterment of people. If Pakistan wants to build only Nuclear Arsenals, then its economy will be moving backwards only. Spend the money on the people and see the difference.

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Neutral

Sep 17, 2015 09:56am

Do something for the poverty first....

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Raj

Sep 17, 2015 10:03am

There are no conventional war in future..only Cold war by Intelligence agencies and Non state actor...Arsenal and Nuclear capabilities only prevent face to face war between any two country.

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kkk

Sep 17, 2015 10:04am

let speak about how can both nation cooperate in the field of health peace business education and poverty and tourism. this nonsense talks about destruction would not do any good

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waqar

Sep 17, 2015 10:20am

it is very important to have such capabilities as our enemy is very mean n devious and always try to make damage to us specially when feels that we are on weaker side as history is there...... we are proud of our army as it is ready to tackle any cold start or hot pursuit....

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m singh

Sep 17, 2015 10:21am

Start talking about good food and clean drinking water for all of us India and Pakistan.....

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Suhani

Sep 17, 2015 10:22am

@Inqelab Zindabad Excellent comment.

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Suhani

Sep 17, 2015 10:24am

@Dr. Abdul Rehman Invite Narender Modi in Pakistan and make him ambassador of Peace Development.

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SMJ

Sep 17, 2015 10:28am

Key people on both sides boasting of its armed capabilities. It's always difficult to develop than to destroy. We are not US and Russia, we were practically one few decades ago and inseparable before britishers came with divide and rule. Both sides lets sit with humility to solve Kashmir problem and lets move ahead and progress together.

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Raja Parekh

Sep 17, 2015 10:28am

I am pleased to know here that almost all the readers here are against war and are aware of war mongering ..... Feel like people have matured over the time .

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Realist

Sep 17, 2015 10:29am

Good to see that at least one institution is doing what it is supposed to do and spending its allocated budget in right areas.

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Sep 17, 2015 10:32am

HO GOD! Everyday these 2 countries blame each other! Posting news of strength and weaknesses, and the 3rd party countries takes advantage of it! Common guys we are in modern world! People wants development of the country nobody wants war! even i have seen many Indian and Pakistani are close friends they play each other, eat together, laugh together! By these War Posing Threats some ignore like a Night mare! But some it will effect the Friendship Between these two countries! GROW UP!

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Zohaib

Sep 17, 2015 10:36am

All those who think this is nonsense obviously live in utopia where no one ever fights anyone and where no world wars happened and where no siachen and kashmir issues exist. Wake up. The real world has seen wars since time began and continues to do so. Only a nation living in dreams would not prepare itself for a war

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Truth wil win finally(wait and see)

Sep 17, 2015 10:44am

@Faisal you should tell that excellent politics

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Sep 17, 2015 10:50am

There are more serious tasks in India. Challenges of poverty, health, education, population control etc. There is no time to talk about nuclear arsenal.

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Ved

Sep 17, 2015 10:51am

Does anybody knows how dangerous are wars. And on that nuclear war. Ask Japanese they're still suffering. Can you risk to destroy the future of India and Pak's next generation for Kashmir sake.Kashmir is the only hurdle for good neighborly relations but price is too heavy.

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Truth

Sep 17, 2015 10:52am

its not war mongering, its been saying it sunlight army's role in any country is to provide strategic security and peace on borders, a highly aggressive neighbor with an extremist in power threats our existence every day... Your civilian setup should bring economic revolution and take corrective steps, We as nation should understand what situation we are into, if we are not investing in defence a similar fate like Syria Iraq and Libya was planned for Pakistan... rest keep writing peace and green peace...

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Dr Jape India...

Sep 17, 2015 10:57am

Very positive comments by both, Indians and Pakistanis. Common people all over, across the border hate wars!!!

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Sep 17, 2015 11:06am

This is not non sense at all but this is tiring efforts of our Engineers and proud of our nation.Minimum deterrence is vital to keep India at bay. Imagine if u will not have this you will not be enjoying the liberty as u in today. All those who are saying this is non sense should remember that who was the first one to test nuclear weapon,definitely Pakistan was not the first but was forced to do that in response of India to keep our enemies silent. Pakistan nuclear engineers are our proud!!!!

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Suresh K.

Sep 17, 2015 11:07am

"Technically speaking, he maintained, the best mode of second strike capability is submarine launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs), which neither India nor Pakistan have deployed as yet." India has tested the K-15 & K-4 SLBMs, K-4 being the more advanced and with a range of 3000km. Both of these missiles have been successfully test fired from underwater pontoons (http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/india-inches-closer-to-credible-nuclear-triad-with-k-4-slbm-test/). The Arihant, India's indigenous nuclear powered submarine is currently undergoing sea trials. Arihant will be carrying the K-4 most probably, after the trials are over which should be not more than a year away.

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Saleem

Sep 17, 2015 11:08am

Pakistan is a peaceful nation but we must keep eyes open all the time. Indians are not truse worthy. The have shown this many time in the field of cricket hocky cinema.it allways better to be alert and let them know we are awake.Genral public is ok but those rss and Bjp Un trustworthy.

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Malik from Australia

Sep 17, 2015 11:11am

All we are saying, give peace a chance.

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Helloworld

Sep 17, 2015 11:13am

whata the point? India is not going to use first.

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khanm

Sep 17, 2015 11:15am

Why!!!! we always talk about wars. are we having suffering from low self-esteem.... are we not sure about our defense capabilities. do we lack confidence... we should never reveal our defense capabilities to any one... it should always remain a mystery...remember.... we all know that self-esteem comes from what you think of you, not what other people think of you. what our Quaid said.... Unity faith and DISCIPLINE...Disciplining yourself to do what you know is right and important, although difficult, is the highroad to pride, self-esteem, and personal satisfaction.

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true peace

Sep 17, 2015 11:16am

we on the both side of the world don't need any kind of war...so having military arsenal is good for our own pride but it wont kill the miseries that both countries have with their own public the money should be spend on the science for good rather fighting on how much and many we can take on both sides. imagine if both side people work together we will top emerging country in the world as any other country in the world. we both need each other to prosper and peace in the region through culture, tourism,music, art, cinema and many more....

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voice

Sep 17, 2015 11:16am

People of both country should refrain from making comment on use of nuclear weapon. It goes very wrong message to world. It does not matter who use the nuclear weapon, It will impact the whole world. Current nuclear arsenal are not like that used in second world war. Now a days these arsenal are very powerful. Lets show the world our positive side not immaturity by making such statements.

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Jashan

Sep 17, 2015 11:26am

There is a saying that Thundering clouds seldom rain. If you are secure you need not worry. I think India is very successful in it's policy. Keep the war rhetoric on. It only affects the fringe areas in India. Meanwhile the major Industrial areas will keep driving the growth and excess money can be invested in fringe areas. On the other hand this rhetoric affects right in the heart of Pakistan. With a population difference of 6 times, the GDP difference in 8 times at present, will become 10 times in 2020 and and will become 15 times in 2030. On top of that the Population of Pak is exploding in Pak. The difference of 6 times will be reduced to 5.5 times by 2030. At such a differential level at 10 strike capability will not be of much use.

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Ahmadabad

Sep 17, 2015 11:36am

If there are more serious talks in India about development - it is true with every nation and Pakistan is no exception. Point is - Bringing man like Modi on top would only make things worst between both countries and is quite evident. Hope politics in India get more mature if it has to show being little bit of sincerity towards Pakistan.

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no_hunky_punky

Sep 17, 2015 11:37am

Pakistan should focus on its capability to run its economy without foreign aid and not second strike or first strike capability for that matter.

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Oberoi

Sep 17, 2015 12:06pm

I realy like the sensible comments from both Indians and Pakistanies...tells the essence of what common people expects from poloticians of both sides.

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AVI

Sep 17, 2015 12:12pm

In India people really aren't interested about these N jargon, neither in Pakistan I belief. The common problems are education, health care, lack of basic amenities to live a normal life etc. in both the countries and governments must ensure that first.

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Farhan Khan

Sep 17, 2015 12:13pm

Great: Now focus for ppl development, for those saying india has not first use policy. Can u guarantee this. No one is in favour of war but strong defense is every body's right.

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Rarun

Sep 17, 2015 12:13pm

Food, Clean water, Medicine, Education. That's what my Strategic Vision would be. But I suppose people at the Strategic Vision Institute are far smarter and know what is better for the country .....

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Befree

Sep 17, 2015 12:20pm

These nukes are a waste and prone to disaster. One leak can wipeout millions. Economy back to stone age. Example Fukushima, Russian disaster. Then keep blaming each other. No life loss would be returned.

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Rameen

Sep 17, 2015 12:22pm

As compared to India, Pakistan is a smaller country and it spends minimum in defense sector. Whereas India has gigantic budget allocated for defense. In this grave situation, Pakistan' s nuclear capability ensures its sovereignty and territorial integrity. 2nd strike capability will further strengthen our defense.

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Nadeem

Sep 17, 2015 12:25pm

Wow! In the comments section we all don't want war, but when leaders in our countries threaten the other party we shout out the slogans Jai Hind, Pakistan Zinda Bad. Stop your elected people and condemn them strongly each time when they talk about wars esp in India Anti-Pak card is used to win elections.

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Moazzam Siddiqi

Sep 17, 2015 12:29pm

To all those pseudo s talking about diverting nuclear funds to development and poverty alleviation... Let me tell you, that funds for education poverty alleviation etc. are already there but are devoured by government vultures. It is the credibility of forces that these funds are not being misused otherwise there could also be no funds available for minimum deterrence. Secondly what do you think why USA has been able to develop economically, is it because its economic policies are very good (with 18 K Billion debt) no because it has the power to destroy whoever says that he will not let US companies do business in his country.... You say so and USA will bring democracy to your country.

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Patriot

Sep 17, 2015 12:30pm

Why don't we have first strike capability?

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Sonny Afridi

Sep 17, 2015 12:31pm

@Rarun it's a military strategic think tank not an NGO. Are you expecting them to talk about cricket and exchange of Shahi Tokkra?

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Rabia

Sep 17, 2015 12:33pm

India’s aggressive nuclear capabilities are coming of age with sea-trials for its first ballistic missile submarine. Pakistan’s rise as a naval power has been in part a reaction to India, for Pakistan, and the rationale for developing a naval nuclear capability is to acquire second-strike capability against India and this would also provide the country with greater strategic depth.

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Akram

Sep 17, 2015 12:33pm

I urge all the indian on this page to help bridge the gap and stop war mongering

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Sep 17, 2015 12:38pm

Excellent response in this column. Except three persons, all denouced this type of claims and counter claims. In the nuclear capable neighbours, a small portion of existing arsenals are sufficient to completely destroy. No need to further increase them, except for super powers.

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Nasir

Sep 17, 2015 12:41pm

OK, if we have that capability, that's great! Now arrange seminar on the topic "why can't we make electricity with nuclear energy", "HEC under Dr. Ata ur Rehman", " CPEC".

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Dil Dil Pakistan

Sep 17, 2015 12:51pm

Everyone is talking about peace. Pakistan also want peaceful relations with India But India is refusing for talks with Pakistan.

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Aziz Rakla

Sep 17, 2015 12:54pm

Pakistan has to look seriously at our political system, democracy is not Islamic. we should study Chinese political system, most successful country in present world and Pakistans best friend. we are in same condition where China was 30 years ago. If it worked for China, it should work for us.We should learn from countries similar like us. We have one excellent organization in Pakistan and that is our defence forces, they should also look into Chinese political system.

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Aziz Rakla

Sep 17, 2015 12:58pm

Pakistan and Pakistan defence forces look into political system of Pakistan. Democracy is not Islamic, and can democracy work for Pakistan? In India it may be working, as it is easy for Hindu majority to rule on strong, Muslim minority, who were there rulers. We should look into Chinese Political system, China is most successful country in present time and they were 30 years ago, where Pakistan is today. We need grass route system, where, Ministers, mayors, provincial leaders and Govt. officers are trained from their youth to do their jobs.

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Jamil

Sep 17, 2015 01:07pm

These are weapons of peace, not war. This will strengthen the enforcement of peace. The only reason the two countries have not gone to an all out war is because of the presence of Nukes.

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Audit

Sep 17, 2015 01:08pm

Let's work for Armyless and weapon free world.

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Vangeepuram Satakopan

Sep 17, 2015 01:19pm

people on either side (writing in Dawn) have no idea of the consequences of a nuclear war. Writing about how much each country would destroy is ultimate stupidity. Let there be no war, conventional or otherwise.

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Iqbal Malik

Sep 17, 2015 01:25pm

@Inqelab Zindabad Good for India.

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Iqbal Malik

Sep 17, 2015 01:31pm

@Stanley Better defense is not nonsense, especially when your neighbor is aggressive and unreliable.

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Common Man

Sep 17, 2015 02:20pm

while your neighbor is firing at your home, and you are thinking to have a nice talk about peaceful business deals to do in the next morning? Peace can only be attained with a "balance of fear".

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mehul jain

Sep 17, 2015 02:50pm

Inspite of the known level of stupidity of politicians in both India and Pakistan, I have never seen any Indian politican or govt employee flaunt the nuclear capability as much as Pakistani policiticians do.

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True Speaking

Sep 17, 2015 02:53pm

immature statement.. unnecessary argument.

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Bharat

Sep 17, 2015 02:56pm

Any actions depend on good all round education and courage If I were you, I would remember why Kayani did nothing against the Taliban He wanted to go home safe everyday

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Talking Point

Sep 17, 2015 02:57pm

@Rameen : If second strike capability would have been effective theoretically , neither US nor Russia would have thought about anti missile defence shield . It is always a progression and the next would be the use of laser etc to stop missiles from getting launched or misfiring on the country of origin itself which countries like US , Israel and to a smaller extent even India are already working on

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Abdul Wahab

Sep 17, 2015 02:58pm

War is not solution of problems,We should focus on peace but must be aware of our enemies i.e internal or external and treat as they deserve.Broadest deterrence capability is mandatry

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Sep 17, 2015 03:03pm

10-20 ready nuclear weapons can offer enough deterrence. Nobody needs 100 plus. Imagine some nations have 5000 !!

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anon

Sep 17, 2015 03:07pm

@Rameen "...Pakistan is a smaller country and it spends minimum in defense sector...." Really?! Have a look at the data: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=132

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Desi

Sep 17, 2015 03:17pm

Great. So both Pakistan and I India will be barren wasteland. Who wins? Time to talk and resolve issues.

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raj

Sep 17, 2015 03:20pm

Who has really seen what either country have and what they are capeable of. All hawabazi I would say.

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Sultan

Sep 17, 2015 03:21pm

Carry on.

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Habibullah

Sep 17, 2015 03:31pm

Hitting back after a knockout blow might not always be possible.

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praphul

Sep 17, 2015 03:35pm

Damn!! why are we talking about war all the time!! This is ridiculous.

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Sep 17, 2015 03:41pm

@Befree we can afford both... why race with us when you clearly cant race..???

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Sep 17, 2015 03:42pm

We live in fool's paradise. Yes we need to prioritise our problems poverty, education, health etc...But we also need to learn from our history about our hostile neighbor. There is nothing wrong about bragging our Strike Capabilities, such bragging shuts the mouth of those who wants war (on both sides). And yes my Indian fellows say that India has no first use policy, same is signed by Pakistan, but we see shelling and use of ammunition everyday on the border..Was it not yesterday when one of our soldier martyred by Indian forces... Signing something on paper doesn't mean that one will not do it...Didn't India signed in UN that both Pakistan & India will sort Kashmir issue bilaterally ? but have we not seen India has gone back on her words ?

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Secular Pathan

Sep 17, 2015 03:58pm

US-USSR Cold War 2.0 Re enacted unfortunately. But who will be the US and who will be the USSR? It is a very dangerous and bad game. Our people need welfare and prosperity.

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Shahzad

Sep 17, 2015 04:18pm

@Sushma True, Talking of war is nothing to be proud of. Nobody wins in war we are lose when people die.

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Iqbal

Sep 17, 2015 04:26pm

If India is serious and willing to resolve contentious issues with Pakistan including core issue of Kashmir, (the approach civilised world is adopting), there may not be a need to keep even such a large conventional force on both sides of the borders, what to talk of nuclear capability. It will remain a compulsion or need based on the environment we are living in. Unfortunately, when Indian forces or their leaders try to show their muscles, the the befitting response becomes the compulsion. If we want to improve the condition of our people, ( a rational approach), we should try to bridge the gap, talk and resolve the pending issues, as I stated earlier like a civilised world, we can move to the right direction quicker than the rest of the world.

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Subhan

Sep 17, 2015 05:41pm

The most significant and dangerous aspect of new Delhi's proposal is to lock Islamabad in a situation in which Islamabad's nuclear weapons lose their deterrent value. Given India's overwhelming superiority in conventional forces, the only way for Pakistan to avoid becoming victim of Indian aggression is to hold out the threat of nuclear response to an Indian conventional military attack on the country. Pakistan's acceptance of a first-no-use offer by Indians will leave Pakistan totally vulnerable to the possibility of it being overrun by India in a future war between the two.

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Sonny Afridi

Sep 17, 2015 06:48pm

Should india misbehave we will sort them out

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Asif Rashid

Sep 17, 2015 08:18pm

Pakistan would never have acquired nuclear weapons. They only did because India went down that line first. Pakistan had no choice. Pakistanis should be proud. They are not Iraq or Syria. No, they are a nuclear power and the world needs to be told. This will make any enemy think twice. As you can see in the Middle East, countries are collapsing as their militaries are weak. Congratulations Pakistan.

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Insominiac

Sep 18, 2015 01:54am

@Farhan Khan - Declaring it in the world forum is itself a guarantee of no first use.. this is not a treaty or something that needs signatories....

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Sheryar Junaid

Sep 18, 2015 08:32am

This is utter madness now, we do not want nukes, we want peace and prosperity.

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ahk

Sep 18, 2015 09:00am

India's consistent belligerent and hegemonistic attitude demands an appropriate response mechanism. This is good news. It'll keep them in check till they cook up some other diabolical scheme. Our sovereignity has never been recognized by them, therefore, never put your guard down-this is what has kept them at bay.........!

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Rabail

Sep 18, 2015 09:21am

India since longer have been enjoying the conventional superiority over Pakistan and always has been in the provocative mode in order to make the order to get involved in some conventional rivalry. Pakistan is a peaceful country though, and seek for extending friendly relations with its neighbor but India's continuous violations at the border and its provocative attitude towards Pakistan actualy wants a reply from the other side. And for Pakistan this is the very time to make it clear to its Indian counter part that any provocation or aggression would not go un-responded.

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Manoj Jadhav

Sep 18, 2015 09:53am

@Azeem Now that something what i look for laugh ......

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dshuman

Sep 18, 2015 10:42am

read the comments on this article nobody is buying the war , nuclear, and such sentiments ..get over it. it will never be utilized unless someone insane is in power Now get working on tougher part that is development and upliftment of citizens.

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Ramakrishnan

Sep 18, 2015 10:51am

All the nuclear nations combined have capability to destroy this planet many times over. But no one has capability to create even a small planet the size of moon.

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buskya

Sep 18, 2015 12:33pm

Anyway please ffocus on how much yearswill require to solve Kashmir issue.

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Tony Singh

Sep 18, 2015 04:38pm

Ok noted. Now please let us get down to serious business of economic development.

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rational guy

Sep 18, 2015 04:56pm

@harmony-1 because u might lose ur first hand and will soon reuire a second one, be sane and talk about peace dear

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Assamese

Sep 18, 2015 05:12pm

@Azeem Good sense of humor :)

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Raj Patel

Sep 18, 2015 05:17pm

@Akram India has no first use nuclear arsenal policy means Pakistan is safe from nuclear till Pakistan don't use nuclear first. So my friend ask your Gov and Army not to use nuclear first and you will be safe from nuclear catastrophe.

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Pratap

Sep 18, 2015 05:39pm

If brothers stab each other and die, their lives cones to a shameful end. 1st strike & 2nd strike is irrelevant.

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Pukudengutha

Sep 18, 2015 05:53pm

@Azeem What an excellent analysis. Extremely brilliant. Please keep it up. Every Pakistani should think like you!!!

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Pu Waugh

Sep 18, 2015 06:39pm

Honestly no one will be a winner. I think it's about time both the countries should focus on making lives better of the citizens of respective country. I'm sure citizens are paying taxes to have better infrastructure, roads, electricity, a better lifestyle. I think younger educated generation of the world today do not want war. They want peace and harmony. They want to make life better for their family. Dear Politicans, Seriously Stop this nonsense. No one is going to be winner.

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Syed Ali

Sep 18, 2015 07:38pm

When you become complacent, when most of the guards on duty decide to go for prayer and leave their posts. Now go and find the moles, who provided the intelligence to Taliban. Provide additional guards with different prayer time, so there is someone to guard the chicken coop.

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Ibrar

Sep 18, 2015 08:28pm

@Dove Denuclearisation is what the world should aim at. However remember that in the current scenario and impasse between us and our neighbour requires that to ensure no further wars Pakistan must maintain a credible nuclear force. Thanks to our history Pakistan can not trust India even if India gives up its own nukes unilaterally.

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techwiz

Sep 18, 2015 09:20pm

Pak need not have a second strike ability since India has a no first strike policy.....The world must force Pak to also adopt the same stance since Nuke war is not an option for either country or for the entire subcontinent.

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M.Saeed

Sep 18, 2015 10:44pm

@Inqelab Zindabad : Have you forgotten that, there was an undertaking by India made just last week during Border Security chiefs' meeting in Delhi that it would not fire cross-border first and went back on it and blatantly fired-first across the border into Pakistan, just a few days after?

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hameed

Sep 18, 2015 10:51pm

@Aziz Rakla yes. wait for next 30 years. Pakistan will be ahead of china and US. who cares about India.

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hameed

Sep 18, 2015 10:54pm

@Azeem absolutely correct. India will never match the advancements of Pakistan. They are actually envious of luxurious and comfortable life of Pakistan.

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ukumar

Sep 19, 2015 12:54am

@hameed Good Luck and best wishes

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Sep 19, 2015 01:47am

“The nuclear arms race is like two sworn enemies standing waist deep in gasoline, one with three matches, the other with five.” ― Carl Sagan

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Waqar Ahmed

Sep 19, 2015 02:36am

@Inqelab Zindabad And do you think the people who control Pakistan's nuclear weapons don't know that? Of course they know it and they're still pursuing a second strike capability, precisely because it is India we are dealing with here, not some country worthy of our trust in its good faith and desire for peace.

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Ghaznavi

Sep 19, 2015 02:41am

We need third and fourth strike capabilities

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Azhar

Sep 19, 2015 03:41am

India will use this nuke story to acquire latest defensive technology from US. We must stop this foolish talk and focus on strategic planning.

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Sudhir Neyalasinger

Sep 19, 2015 06:10am

@Azeem I love your sense of humour

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HibduKush

Sep 19, 2015 07:10am

Inshallah boys played well, we win!

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U.S. India

Sep 19, 2015 08:30am

@Azeem LOL!! :) -- LOL!! :) -- you have an amazing sense of humor, Azeem -- that was such a hilarious post!! :) :)

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Ram

Sep 19, 2015 10:36am

Since both our independence, world is playing while creating hurdles between both the countries. Was there in history an instance where supremacy prevailed for long. Starting Alexander till recent Hitler. We don't need China or America to boost ties between two countries. I believe with greater cooperation All of Indian sub continent can become golden place in entire world. If we had this mind set several decades in past, wouldn't have lost so many lives and a ruthless destruction of a beautiful country like Afghanistan.

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Indipendant

Sep 19, 2015 11:02am

@Azeem "Indians will try to catch and match the capability but with their inherent industrial weakness ,it will take more than 2 decades to arrive at the level of Pakistan's advancement." NICE JOKE

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n d bansal

Sep 19, 2015 12:40pm

@Suhani During indian general elections modi repeatedly stated publically that India will talk to all his neighbours behaving neither holding head high or down but talk straight as equals. During 15 months he has shown enough maturity to bring pakistan on the table but we fail to understand why talks for peace are still alluring.

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Asif

Sep 19, 2015 12:41pm

Stop thinking about Kashmir and Phlistine, think about ower own people, suffring a lot, and all problems will be solved.

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Bishan

Sep 19, 2015 03:09pm

This obsession with nukes is MADdening. Envisaging Mutual Assured Destruction, through first or second strike is really maddening for people whose first strike, in fact every strike, should be on backwardness. Friendship may be a bridge too far but absence of war and conflict should certainly be achievable,

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Human

Sep 19, 2015 09:52pm

@Azeem oh really,good joke.

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parveez

Sep 19, 2015 11:16pm

@AK Would that be nice At the moment can't get a indian visa after living in the UK for over 50 years. Just because I was born in Pakistan

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GAMMAT

Sep 20, 2015 02:35am

@harmony-1 good question. Sir.