Conspiracy to make Pakistan a secular country: JI
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LAHORE: Secretary General, Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), Liaquat Baloch on Friday said that the Protection of Pakistan Ordinance and the security policy were a conspiracy to turn Pakistan into a secular country.
Addressing a convention of the Jamiat-i-Talaba Arabia in Lahore, he said that the secular lobby in the country was out to shake the foundations of the mosques and the madrassahs to fulfill a western agenda.
He said it was unfortunate that the secular elements were working so openly under the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz government.
However, he said that the Pakistani Muslims would defend the Islamic ideology, the mosques and the madrassahs at every cost.
The JI Secretary General said that the madrassahs, the mosques and the pulpit were the strongest fortresses of the Pakistan ideology and the movement for the enforcement of the Islamic system, and the government should allow them to perform their religious duties independently.
Baloch said that instead of interfering in the working of the mosques and madrassahs, the government should take note of the destruction of the education system in the universities and colleges along with the free mixing of the genders at educational campuses which, according to him, leads to immoral practices.
The society, he said, was badly suffering from chaos, disruption and extremism.
He said that Islam is the religion of love and peace but disruption was the outcome of the rulers drifting away from the objectives of the creation of Pakistan.
He said the Tahafuz-i-Pakistan Conference being organised by the JI in Karachi on the 23rd of March would be a historic event.
The Protection of Pakistan Ordinance (PPO) which Liaquat Baloch criticised, is seen by many as a draconian law.
Critics say in its present shape the law gives powers to security agencies to infringe the fundamental rights of the citizens guaranteed under the constitution.
Others say that it will lead the country to the path of becoming a ‘security state’.
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Mar 21, 2014 08:28pm
what will you do , take country back to stone age - Your performance is bad with no competent economist , scientist, Administrator or any highly skilled well known person in your team - What agenda do you guys have for future Pakistan, open your horizon JI if you want to be accepted in the greater world, its about time .
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Mar 21, 2014 08:32pm
Better than mullah land what you want to make Pakistan.
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Mar 21, 2014 08:33pm
@Max: I agree they want stone age back
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Mar 21, 2014 08:43pm
What have we gained by following mullahs Islam, nothing but hypocrisy, bombs and a totally collapsed nation in terms of morality.
It's about time we do go secular, where nobody interferes in anyone's beliefs, religion. We are an Islamic nation, everybody is a Muslim, so religion should be our least worry.
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Mar 21, 2014 08:48pm
JI is curse to us, a political face of TTP, I don't know which Islam these cavemen are trying to preach..they are the worse enemy of Pakistan and Islam.
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Mar 21, 2014 08:48pm
This is no conspiracy; we want to make Pakistan a secular country. We do not want JI and JUI goons out of our land of the pure
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Mar 21, 2014 08:51pm
Oh God! JI and their logic, I do not know why they are being paid so much importance and why they are given so much space in print and electronic media. These Mullahs, they sell dreams and emotions, the cheapest commodities.
May Pakistan remain safe from Mullahs and Jihadis, which I doubt very much.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:06pm
What is JI's agenda?
The flag bearer of Ikhwanul Muslimeen and JI with Munawar Hassan as die-hard supporter of Morsi's govt., still hinders to condemn Saudi's move to declare Ikwanul Muslimeen as 'Terrorist'
puh! hypocrisy at it's best
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Mar 21, 2014 09:09pm
Pakistan has met the enemy, and its you Mr. Baloch.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:09pm
@Max: - JI is the ONLY Political party who has most educated and comparatively honest people compared to ANY party in Pakistan.
What has Pakistan has gotten from the 2 SECULAR Parties who have been twice each in power already and have driven the country and society to an economic and morale abyss.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:14pm
Mullah sahib, what you have failed to understand is Pakistan was created by secular democrats in the face of opposition from the Mullahs. There is no conspiracy to make it secular, it was meant to be secular!
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Mar 21, 2014 09:21pm
@Sam:
beta read your history, Jinnah and the leaders who created Pakistan were ardently secular. The mullahs opposed them and opposed the creation of Pakistan.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:22pm
No, please go ahead shove your hypocrisy down our throats!
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Mar 21, 2014 09:22pm
Till we have exploiters like you who earn their livelihood by selling religion it seems though.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:23pm
Wish it was true. The founder did create a secular state and remember the then JI headed by Maudoodi was against the creation of Pakistan.
These guys have always been against the Country.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:23pm
What these Maulvi's don't understand: West has nothing to take away from you: NOTHING
You don't have enough to eat, not enough electricity, not enough water, no gas, not enough sugar, AATA, ..... What is their interest in having an agenda against you, what will they get out of this country?
as an analogy, robbers don't rob a poor man's house, they rob a bank.
Why would West have an agenda against you, when you have nothing.
Secondly why would they try to make you secular, They don't force the Muslims living in their own country to become secular. There is complete religious freedom in Europe and North america.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:23pm
The father of the Nation Jinnah are we forgetting him? He wanted Pakistan to be a secular nation where women and girls can go to school and get an education. Where people can live with each other in peace and tolerance regardless of race, ethnicity and religion and all working together for the betterment of their individual lives and the nation!
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Mar 21, 2014 09:34pm
If there is a conspiracy to make Pakistan a secular country, I welcome it with open arms. By the way, someone should tell Mr. Liaqat Balch that his green card from the US has arrived and that he is free to emigrate to the secular land of the infidels.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:35pm
Is this a conspiracy or a blessing if Pakistan can get out of this quagmire. Or too much religion and becomes a secular country. Sepration of state matters and religion is a must for Pakistan. All countries in the world which have made any progress, there are 4 common features: (1) liberal society where new thinking / innovation are encouraged, (2) no intermixing of faith and state, (3) spread of education in masses, (4) participation of women in work force. How far is Pakistan is from these 4 targets is open for all to see.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:38pm
@Khan Baba:
I wish you knew the difference between secularism and freedom of religion.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:39pm
These cavemen of JI are hell bent in bringing the country back to the stone age.
But wait, we are there to resist
We want a secular Pakistan.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:43pm
These goons have destroyed Pakistan by their violent ways. Perhaps it is now time to make Pakistan secular where a person of any religious denomination can be free to practice his religion without being tortured, hung, shot, bombed, poisoned, burnt, decapitated. These self rightuous ignorant cave dwellers have lost the way of true Islam of peace and tolerance that once our great land of Sufis was held in high esteem. These are those goons that had opposed our Quaid in creating our country and then systematically tried to destroy it.
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Mar 21, 2014 09:43pm
@observer:
Ur technically right but realistically KhanBaba is right !!
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Mar 21, 2014 09:49pm
I think that the conspiracy by the Colonial powers was to keep us ultra religious and backwards so they can rule us and abuse our resources(if we had any)
Going secular is actually breaking away from that conspiracy.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:02pm
.....anything would be better than the type of theocratic State the JI and religious extremists have in mind.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:09pm
It blows my mind that our people still care to listen to these mullahs. Separation of church and state was embraced by the west centuries ago before they took off and dominated the world. No wonder we're in a pathetic state of affairs. I think this is worse than the stone age: I'm sure back then people could see clearly what's right in front of their eyes.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:10pm
@observer:
wikipedia page says: Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries.
All people commenting here want the country to separate religion from the government functions. Simple as that, so that the hegemony of illiterate Mullah's can be broken: the country can then be guided by the truly educated people, who are contributing to the economies of other countries as immigrants.
A person becomes a Maulvi in Pakistan, if he cannot become an engineer, doctor lawyer or anything of note. So effectively we are GUIDED by the most inept part of our society.
This is what Europeans did 400 to 500 years ago, we need that to happen ASAP.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:12pm
@Voice of reason:
Didn't these people (JI) voted against Pakistan and Jinnah in the voting for creating Pakistan. Who gave them the right to become leaders here?
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Mar 21, 2014 10:12pm
You are all the ones who made this mess.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:16pm
If you stop abusing Islam to gain power then people will not ask for secularism. The religious parties are still condoning killing of innocent men, women and children. They use religion to deny women and every underprivileged group and minorities their rights to participate in the affairs of the state as equal citizens. Shame on them.
The religious parties as they stand are an insult to Islam and humanity. I am a practising Muslim and it pains me to see these cynical and hypocritical group shed crocodile tears over religion. If there is secularism then this dual abuse of religion and the people can be somewhat mitigated.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:18pm
The conspiracy is to make it a mullah state and spread Islam through force. The goal Pakistan came into being was to practice ANY religion freely and without oppression from Hindu Indians. But I guess now we have diverted from that part and making life difficult for all the religions in Pakistan.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:23pm
@Waqas:
You have always been ruled by secular liberal elite since 1947. That is the reason you are in the mess you are now. 71 debacle was not the work of Mullah was it?
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Mar 21, 2014 10:24pm
@True Pakistan:
Pakistan was and never will be a secular country. Its foundations were laid in the name of Islam and as envisaged by Jinnah.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:24pm
Self appointed " Alim " should avoid some phrases. One of them is secular , which means " a system of doctrine & practice that rejects any form of faith or religion and worship. ". It is insane to imagine that Pakistani will drift towards secular system and abandon prayers and fasting.. The mullahs should stop lose talks and act like they know every thing. Self educated mullahs with no formal training in religion has no business making public statement.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:33pm
I pray to almighty Allah that we become a fully secular country with no mixing of religion with the business of the state.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:41pm
@Sam
The fact that Pakistanis still vote for corrupt parties over JI should show you how much we despise these religious parties.
Without a doubt, Pakistani people are more secular and less religious than 5 years ago. Why? Because of JI and it's Taliban allies. Shouting Allahu Akbar before blowing themselves up in bazaars damages Islam as a whole.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:48pm
@Ridwan:
This JI Voted for Fatima Jinnah in the elections in the past. Later when Benazir became party leader, same JI was making propaganda that women are not allowed to become state leader.
They have dual standards. All my life has been spent with JI people. They are deaf and blind. They dont see the real problems in Pakistan. What have they done for the common man so far?
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Mar 21, 2014 10:52pm
Why should any one born and living as citizen of Pakistan feel that this is not his country, he is second class citizen living at the mercy of majority? What about Muslims living in India if that country is not secular.
Meaning of secularism is now changed, it does not mean anti religion or anti God. It means every body is free to live as per his belief or religion.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:53pm
@Taimoor Khan:
this is wrong. this wrong history was concocted at the time of Zia in syllabus printed by Quaid-e-Azam university.
Pakistan was created because of the Hindu Dominance Fear, not for the sake of Islam. Jinnah used to wear 3 piece suits, he used to smoke cigars. He joined Congress, later when he was invited to join Muslim league, he attending one of the Muslim league meeting and was not satisfied. He refused joining Muslim league by saying it has no clear agenda. He later Joined Muslim League but kept his Congress membership also alive.
Dont mock with history. Telling lies about Pakistan history is enough proof of what sort of people JI has in its party. Shame on you.
And one more thing. Please stop talking about Pakistan. You were against the creation of Pakistan so you have no right whatsoever to open your mouth. None of your business.
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Mar 21, 2014 10:59pm
JI was funded to achieve strategic objectives, while unpopular JI took advantage and tried to rely on madarassa and mosques....now sponsors know, strategic objectives are not attainable through funding JI, rather investment on education and society with friendly relations with neighbor will help survival of country.
Liaquat Baloch is fooling people with these slogans used by some personal in past for certain objectives....which has nothing to do with Jinnah's Pakistan or Liaquat Ali khan's clarification over "objective resolution of 1949" that Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state, rather a moderate Islamic culture will facilitate cohesiveness, NOT Islamic ideologues.
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Mar 21, 2014 11:03pm
@Taimoor Khan:
Lol and Jinnah had a mustache less beard 10 feet long. I bet that's going to be part of your narrative a few years down the line.
Read Jinnah's speeches to get a feel of who he was and what he wanted.
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Mar 21, 2014 11:34pm
@Khan Baba:
I read your comments and every word of it is just perfect. So true... your analogies are just impeccable!
The old school feels so insecure... they tell everyone that the west is out to get us. What have you got that the West wants? Pakistan is already at the near bottom of everything - handing it over to the mullahs will mean going back to the stone age.
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Mar 21, 2014 11:43pm
These guys are ridiculous. You will turn a complete blind eye when their Taliban kill innocent people in the name of jihad and yet on the other hand they talk of a conspiracy brewing against you. Yes, you are right, there is a conspiracy building against you and just to burst your bubble, it's a result of your dirty behaviors, killing of innocent people, your characters do not match what you talk about. You are trying to make our children suicide bombers and marry young girls before they reach maturity and stop them from education.
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Mar 21, 2014 11:46pm
Mr. Liaqat Baluch. It is not a conspiracy to make Pakistan a secular country. It is the fate of Pakistan. We are doing it openly, now. We have seen how far religious parties can take the nation and the country. This time not only the country or the nation ISLAM is in danger because of you. You don't trust me, look at those you always have soft corner in your heart for. The TTP.
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Mar 22, 2014 12:06am
JI wake up! you guys were against creation of Pakistan and your like and comrades stood Quaid-e-Azam. Pakistan was not created for you guys or principals you might have in your heads. Your actions and you words have always been anti-Pakistan.
Let me recall a couple of instances;
1) Your student wing was the first student body that introduced weapons.
2) Your leader Mr. Munawar Hassan called terrorists who are fighting Pak Army have been labeled as "Shaheed", that is contrary to national spirit and not aligned with national patriotism, it is simply "treachery".
In my opinion you guys should be stripped off of Pakistani citizenship and thrown out of Pakistan, you and your thoughts are not welcomed here.
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Mar 22, 2014 12:27am
And would that be a bad thing? How well has been Islamic done for you? Answer that question and you have your answer, the JI not withstanding.
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Mar 22, 2014 12:51am
@Sam:
Sadly, it is the only party that is committed to making Pakistan a backward and lawless country. What are they really scared off?. More than 95% people in Pakistan are Muslims. It is about time for Pakistan to ditch all these Madrassahs and focus on educating our children so that we can produce experts in subjects such as Physics, Chemistry, Engineering and Medicine. These people and particularly JI have made Pakistan a laughing stock. They send their own children to Europe and USA and want to keep majority of Pakistani children in the darkness. This is the only way, they will achieve their objective of ruling the illiterate masses. A secular Pakistan is the only way forward. Sadly, not many people say that. What religion we follow and how we practice it at home, is nobodys business. We don't have to wear our religion on our sleeve.
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Mar 22, 2014 12:56am
@Sam:
Really!!!! Name me one mullah or his compatriots that is highly educated and can run the country. Just by putting a stupid comment without any backing make you look like a liar and a JI hypocrite.
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Mar 22, 2014 01:04am
Can someone please explain the term Secular for me. Just for arguments sake if we have an "Islamic State" then would we treat the people from other religions with repression by not allowing them to practice their religion, this is not true as in Islamic Rule the state is responsible to protect the rights of minorities regardless of religion. !!!!!
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Mar 22, 2014 01:14am
What is wrong in it? You tried the other and the result was disastrous. Secularism is not atheism , it is just you include everyone that will make you more tolerant and more human.
Time for Pakistanis to sit across table and decide what is good for future generations.
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Mar 22, 2014 01:14am
What a hypocrisy - "Jinnah wanted a Secular-Muslim country". Pakistan is reaping the seeds it sowed. The founders wanted a separate country because they could not live with anybody else; for them the only way of life was the way of life written in a book. Pakistan - One step ahead 20 step back, pretty brisk walk to Stone Age.
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Mar 22, 2014 01:26am
@savage:
I agree one hundred percent.
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Mar 22, 2014 01:33am
So many conspiracies against Pakistan since 1947. Tell us something new. Why are you so insecure? If your interpretation of religion was so accurate, trust me, people would be happy to adopt it and very quickly but you are not very appealing. Step back and try to interpret religion the way it was meant to be. Islam is a very simple and complete way of life but you people have made it a business. What's your source of income? Forced donations from your party members?
Debate about Jinnah and creation of Pakistan is a whole different subject and has nothing to do with what people are asking. I think majority of hard working Pakistanis are fed up with the current situation and would like some peace, prosperity, improved life style and secure future for their children. And if you call yourself a religious person, you should be out there helping others instead of making these opportunistic political statements of no value. Day to day Pakistani doesn't give a damn about what you think and what conspiracy you try to hatch. So go back with your lotta and wash up.
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Mar 22, 2014 02:04am
@Agha Ata:
LB was a low level thug and murderer, he barely finished his education, that gave him right to become a high level Maulvi. Thug turned into religious figure (aren't they all like that). Look at rest of them.
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Mar 22, 2014 02:46am
I hope it is not a conspiracy but a real plan where people of all faiths can enjoy equal rights, participate in it's growth and prosperity and follow the faith and religion of their liking. It is not the Western Agenda, it is the human agenda and very close to Islamic principals. Muslims living in Western countries enjoy more religious freedom than in any Muslim country and Pakistan can learn a lesson. Modern states can only function when religion and state are separated. Remember Europe of Dark Ages under Holy Roman Empire?
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Mar 22, 2014 02:50am
That is good. I wish west can achieve this quickly. We really want to be secular country
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Mar 22, 2014 03:08am
Conspiracy? The idea to make Pakistan a secular country is not new and no conspiracy is involved here. He better reads various speeches of Quaid-e-Azam where he has clearly enunciated that Pakistan means to be a secular country. Please don't try to distort the history.
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Mar 22, 2014 03:14am
Isn't JI a modern incarnation of AIML (All India Muslim League). We praised AIML then why don't we praise JI now? After all the vision for Pakistan as an Islamic State has remained the same before the creation of Pakistan.
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Mar 22, 2014 03:32am
@Sam:
Fair question
Pakistan has started a journey towards the rule of fair law... Improvements in economy... An impartial judiciary... Debate on national tv... An open media... A grassroots movement towards girls education... And most of all the ability for the people to choose who governs them.
In contrast a state as the extremists in pakistan want it will bring unequal rights to its citizens(minorities), the ability for extremists to pass judgements on others who live their lives in peace, Draconian laws that are not based on current day science and technology ( read cii view on rape), international shame
My question to you is what rights have the past two governments infringed upon that makes you so cynical?
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Mar 22, 2014 03:36am
@Taimoor Khan:
It would be naive to talk abt 1971 as it has nothing to do with religion.
Why not focus on real items of consequence that are related to religion?
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Mar 22, 2014 03:39am
@Taimoor Khan:
Jinnahs speech to the constituent assembly aug 11, 1947 (google it and read it please)
"Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed -- that has nothing to do with the business of the State. "
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Mar 22, 2014 04:26am
I never knew Pakistan had a special system of faith or worship. What do I know!
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Mar 22, 2014 04:28am
@Khan Baba:
We have met the enemy, it is us. When will people look inside their own conscience, and learn, that we lie, we cheat, we mix water with milk, kerosine with gasoline. In general, we cheat, sell dead animal meat, sell our brothers to the highest bidder for a few rupees.
We need to reform ourselves. All the anger against these people is justified, but it is not the whole story. Is anybody holding a gun to my head to tell lies, or deceive the people. Has any body denied my right to read the Quran,understand it and act on it.
Remember, how Islam started in Arabia, by first cleaning your self.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:29am
I don't think it is easy to make Pakistan secular. Even Indian muslims oppose making india a secular state. India is currently a religious state. It has become a election issue now. Secular state comes with women rights, child rights and even animal rights. A secular person should be able to treat all religion equally. Only muslim majority country that is secular is turkey but even after 100yrs it is finding difficult to be a secular state. It also has to have fundamental freedom of speech rights, right to criticize etc. I think it is impossible.
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Mar 22, 2014 04:50am
95 pc Muslim in Pakistan even though Islam is in danger and only 13 pc Muslim in India don't feel Islam in danger! There is something is basically wrong here. They should not worry about Islam instead should worry about welfare of the people. Amin !!!
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Mar 22, 2014 05:11am
you want to live in a country run under sharia,go live in saudi arabia,mulla.you never even supported the creation of pakistan
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Mar 22, 2014 05:42am
Let there be a referendum. The entire nation should collectively decide on which way they want Pakistan to go. If the majority chooses not support the point of view of the Mullahs, then the Mullah's goose is cooked. Enough of this violence and hatred being created by Mullahs in the name of Islam.
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Mar 22, 2014 06:13am
@Sam:
Totally agree they have most educated people in the party. For some reason Pakistani with more degree become religious. That is why we more religious influence in universities and colleges.I rather want some uneducated person with common sense than highly educated fanatic to be my leader.
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Mar 22, 2014 06:16am
@Nizamuddin Ahmad Aali:
Wow, at last I found a person who happy with the prayers and mullahs. Long live!!!!!!!!!
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Mar 22, 2014 06:34am
I wish there was an armed drone hovering over them to address their concern.
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Mar 22, 2014 06:39am
All my friends of Islamic Jamiat Talba are currently living in US, Australia and UK and when I ask them what are they doing in a secular country, they simply laugh. People in west are not hypocrites like Jamiat e islami workers.
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Mar 22, 2014 07:02am
Wow, the founder of JI was even against the creation of Pakistan and here is a leader of of that party talking amount the manufactured idelalogy of Pakistan. Isn't' it same Liaqat Baloch who, with his RAFIQUES had participated in breaking bones of his opponents at PU?
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Mar 22, 2014 07:23am
After reading this story,why did I think of the Neanderthal Man?:):)
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Mar 22, 2014 07:38am
@Taimoor Khan:
Totally Rubbish.
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Mar 22, 2014 07:43am
@Khan Baba:
The amount of freedom and support the Muslims have in the ' secular' countries of the west is incomparable. No body willl kill you for practicing your faith or terrorize you with blasphemy allegations.
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Mar 22, 2014 07:54am
What an increrdible lunacy. You dont want to be fair with everyone;but you would like to be treated fairly by others.
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Mar 22, 2014 08:10am
@Max:
Jinnah said that a republic made according to Islam is a secular state, based on a democratic government. We need to understand Islam which is a complete code of life, it shows one how to do almost everything in life. I guess one needs to preach Islam in order to clear some modern concepts of life.
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Mar 22, 2014 08:20am
Let's buy a one way ticket to most enlightened of all nations on the earth, Saudi Arabia, for this equally learned rahanuma of ours. Since our unfortunate country is overflowing talents like Liaquat Baloch, it is high time we export some of this surplus to our great friend and brotherly nation.
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Mar 22, 2014 09:00am
@Rahul:
I agree with you. My intent was just to point out a technical lapse. I basically agree with Khan Baba and yourself.
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Mar 22, 2014 09:01am
@Khan Baba:
I fully agree with you. Please keep in mind that secularism does not mean there is no freedom to practice one's religion.
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Mar 22, 2014 09:03am
ORGANIZE A SPECIAL DAY. It is so fascinating to see so many country men are finally showing how fed-up they are with these folks trying to take Pakistan back to the stone age. One's belief is a personal matter and has nothing to do with the affairs of the state. West was not able to progress until they truly understood that. State should not be in the business of telling anyone how they practice their religion. Having said that, I believe that now that the momentum is gathering, we the like-minded, should organize a special day. On that day we all come out of our homes, offices, businesses etc. on road at a particular time where life comes to a standstill for 5-10 minutes to show solidarity and send message to JI and their likes that we are not going to take it any more. If we unite and stand together, no one take us for granted. Alternatively, we can all wear an arm band saying state to "hands off from from my religion".
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Mar 22, 2014 09:07am
I am surprised to read the comments of your readers Dawn ! I wish all the leaders of JI and Jamaat Ul Dawa read and understand that people of Pakistan can not be fooled on the name of religon.WOW people of Pakistan,Three Cheers for you.
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Mar 22, 2014 09:07am
@Sarwat:
My Recommend button is not working so I had to make this comment. I like your comments. A definite 'Recommend'. We just don't need these mullahs. They have only harmed the society and the country.
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Mar 22, 2014 07:26pm
@Sam:
Alrhough Ji has more educated members in their fold but unfortunately they have very myopic view of world affairs and most of these educated people are poisoned with distorted logic of spreading religion with sword they have very norrow narrative with regard to religious teachings and a number of terrorists were caught from their cordons and you know very well if an educated person became norrow minded he is more lethal then a illiterate person
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Mar 22, 2014 08:52pm
@Syed Husain:
They've had several referendums. Its called ELECTIONS. And they are constantly rejected.
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Mar 22, 2014 08:56pm
@Taimoor Khan:
What kind of religious man do you really think Jinnah was?! He wanted a space for for the Muslims of India to flourish. He clearly spoke in favor of separation of church and state. You are deluded to think otherwise.
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Mar 22, 2014 09:04pm
@Isaac:
No, we wanted our country because we feared the "Tyranny of the Majority." We gave Congress several chances to guarantee that we would have a political voice. Congress thought religion shouldnt matter (Look at modern Indian politics, because Congress of 1946 was wrong).
We didnt want Pakistan because we hated Hindus. We wanted Pakistan because we were terrified that the HIndus would overrun and neglect us. Look at the status of Muslims in India. Even worse than Dalits. We were right. Don't paint history with a saffron brush. Pakistan was not born of intolerance.
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Mar 22, 2014 10:15pm
The rigid Mullahs are trying to make Pakistan a Mullistan and make Pakistan an Arabia of pre-Islamic times just before Islam came. These Mullahs have formed endless number of Qabilahs and each one of them has their own dominion to preserve their power on their flock at all costs. Each one of them trying to imitate to be holy Muslim by growing long beard, wearing turbans, wearing Arab clothing etc. etc. They have absolutely no knowledge of science, technology, politics, foreign relations, economics, human needs and peace of mankind.
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Mar 23, 2014 11:09am
Dear JI Team and all Contractors of Islam
you have screwed this nation well on the name of so called "Jihad" .Please now leave us alone to progress and practice good ethics as ordered by Allah and live like humans
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Mar 23, 2014 08:39pm
Whimpers of a dying breed. The only conspiracy is the increasing (scientific) knowledge and consequently a better understanding of ourselves and our environment.
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Mar 23, 2014 10:55pm
Take a Good Look at these cave dwelling creatures, Pakistan. Would you want to be lead by them?
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Mar 24, 2014 04:15am
At least he is honest man.Ji is authentic.They do not want secularism They want Sharia Islam.Muslims donot want to know /practice Islam as it is .They want to bend it twist it modify it,That cannot be done.Pakistan was carved for Islam.Give Islam a chance.
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Mar 24, 2014 02:20pm
@Taimoor Khan:
"Pakistan's foundations were laid in the name of Islam."
It was not meant to be an Islamic state, it was always meant to be a Muslim one. There is a difference. I suggest you read a biography about Jinnah the person, you will find he was not only secular in thought, but ardently secular. Apart from him, the other founding members of the Pakistan movement were also fighting for the same; a Muslim (as opposed to Islamic) secular nation.
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