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Hauz Khas in Old Delhi offers perfect spots for budding musicians as the acoustics are amazing. -Photo by Vaqar Ahmed
The city I am in is not somewhere in Europe or North America; actually, it is just a two hour flight from Karachi. I am in Delhi.
What stands out in the few hours in Delhi is that the city infrastructure works well. The bus system is excellent. There are both air-conditioned and regular public buses that ply the wide roads. The buses are comfortable, frequent and provide proper seating. No one hangs out from the doors or rides on the roof. There is no wild racing for grabbing more passengers as the buses are run by the public sector and thus the enterprise is not for profit. At some of the bus stops, there is an electronic information system that gives the arrival time of the next bus.
While the roads and the bus system are impressive, Delhi’s subway system is up there with the best in the world. Yes, it can be quite crowded during rush hours but it functions smoothly. All subway stations and trains are air-conditioned and clean. The network is extensive, with a typical frequency of the trains at 2 minutes.
The railway system is no less impressive. The Rajdhani Express that I boarded from Delhi, left at the precise time and arrived in Mumbai (an overnight trip) exactly on schedule. The train was comfortable and the staff polite and professional. There was no manic disorder inside the train or on the platform as the passengers boarded the train.
The significant presence of women in public spaces is very refreshing – particularly for a visitor from Pakistan. Both young and old, stylishly or simply dressed, apparently well off, not so well off and downright poor; all are seen brushing shoulders with each other and with men in the streets. There are women driving motor cycles or riding at the back in the normal astride position. Many are dressed in jeans and t-shirts, while others are attired in the traditional shalwar kameez, sometimes without dupattas or chaddars.
There is a life for young couples in the city. They can walk around holding hands or sit in the beautiful historical Hauz Khas complex, on the lake built by Sultan Alaudin Khilji (1296-1316) for water storage. The walls and the door and window openings of the surrounding old buildings looking out on the lake provide perfect seating spaces for the amorous.
While the visual evidence in the more affluent neighborhoods indicates that the women in Delhi are free and safe, the frequent acts of rape point to another reality. The women with lower social and economic standing face this cruelty more often than their well-heeled sisters. But the women there are certainly fighting to keep the turf that they have gained in recent years. The very strong reaction to the recent Delhi rape and the resulting death sentence of the perpetrators is a clear signal that Indian women are determined to achieve their right of safety in public spaces.
The ugly sight of hundreds of armed police and private guards and myriad security road blocks so pervasive in Karachi, is absent in Delhi. While armed personnel are posted at important sites, there is no sense of menace or impending doom. The substantial number of female police officers further softens the effect of the cold barrel of a gun.
The major historical monuments in Delhi, Agra and Fatehpur Sikri that I visited are well maintained. However, those working in the area of preservation of the historical sites talk of serious neglect by the archeological survey department that is responsible for the upkeep of the monuments.
The day I am to return to Pakistan, the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and the head of the Agha Khan community, Price Karim Agha Khan are commemorating the completion of the project for the restoration of the Mughal Emperor Humayun’s Tomb. I have visited the tomb a week ago and can attest to the absolutely impeccable renovation work. The buildings have been restored to their old glory, the many lawns and garden are maintained to perfection and the premises are clean and tidy.
The notion of India Shining notwithstanding, there is substantial and apparent poverty in Delhi that is further highlighted by the extreme disparity. India’s days of Gandhian austerity are mostly gone. Lean, emaciated men driving cycle rickshaws jostle for space with late model BMWs, Mercedes and Audis, large slums start where super posh shopping malls end, and there are families living on the sidewalks and road islands even in the posh southern part of the city.
But while all shades of rich and poor coexist, there is a palpable sense that things are changing for the better. And there, to me, lies the main difference between Karachi and Delhi. In Karachi, the state has completely abandoned the people while in Delhi, the state does deliver to some extent thus improving the lives of the denizens and giving them some hope for the future.
Karachi, the city of lights is becoming a city of darkness and Delhi the city of djinns has many a demons to deal with, but it seems to be doing so with some success.
Vaqar Ahmed is an engineer turned part-time journalist who likes to hang out at unfashionable places like shrines, railway stations and bus stops.
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Sep 29, 2013 07:34pm
Glad to read you had a great time in Delhi. Yes, the country is as a whole going through transformation.
The article was a great description of your trip to Delhi.
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Sep 29, 2013 07:35pm
Quiet true that safety of women is a big concern in Delhi. But that is also true that not only women but most of the men also support the cause of safety of women and stand along side women.
Most important thing We have change in perception about the rape victim about now. The society is now treating rape victim with sympathy and support and culprit with iron hand. It gives courage to rape victims to come out and fight for justice and that is what required for a change .
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Sep 29, 2013 07:52pm
All Indian cities are trying to be clean and better in terms of amenities alas not all of them are successful. I wish Mr. Vaqar had visited south Indian cities, he will find it amazing how beautifully the city works without prejudices towards humans, including minorities. It is the collective will of the people which decides the fate of society, thankfully India is moving in the right direction, touchwood, "kisiki nazaar na lage".
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Sep 29, 2013 07:53pm
Interestingly, the author only writes about Muslim monuments, markets with Muslim names. Ever ventured outside your Muslim envelope?
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Sep 29, 2013 07:54pm
Thank you, Mr. Ahmed.
Being a Pakistani myself, I'm happy for our Indian neighbors. And proud over what they have collectively achieved. I've always wanted to visit Delhi, so this blog was an absolute treat! :)
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Sep 29, 2013 08:10pm
Vicky, you are obviously an Indophile and no issue with that. Wish that I could visit India more often. But I have to point out the the food in Delhi is quite ordinary. Of course, to each his own palate but for a Lahori like me, the much vaunted traditional Delhi cuisine flopped. The famous Karim restaurant will not last one month on Abbott road.....
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Sep 29, 2013 08:15pm
Just yesterday I returned from china. I was in Nanjing for two months for business purpose. I just need to replace Karachi by delhi and delhi by nanajing in above article to express my experience there. It proves saying grass always looks greener on other side. But its true that if government with people as there prime focus can deliver wonders. For me it doesn't matter if is military, communist or democracy....
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Sep 29, 2013 08:13pm
With peace shall come prosperity. Bring peace to your land first. Give up your foolish causes, religious fanataicsm and start treating everyone as human beings. Only then can you start down the road of improving your country.
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Sep 29, 2013 08:19pm
@John:
He is a Pakistani writer, writing for a (largely) Pakistani readership. Why should it cause any raised eyebrows? I'd do the same - write about things that my audience could related to.
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Sep 29, 2013 08:23pm
Cities attract the poor in an endless cycle. Earlier, governments would try and "rehabilitate" them, only to attract fresh migrants. This increases significantly at times of drought or other agricultural distress.
There is enough economic activity in large cities to eke out a living - housing is a different matter, and can be prohibitive even to those with regular jobs.
However, I do not know who the author has spoken to - but the mood in India is not really one of optimism, but of impatience. People are waiting for the elections, to effect change.
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Sep 29, 2013 08:19pm
@Sara:
Sara, Delhi basically sucks. I worked in Delhi for an year, and suffered from a chronic pharyngitis, although my doctor(NR Puri, the famous cricket commentator) recommended a 6-week course to kill the allergy, I wasn't able to take the heat and dust of India's capital. I rushed to Bangalore, have been here for 7 years now. Bangalore is ok, its a different place altogether. Most of the lot are young people. I went to Mumbai(most know it as Bombay) earlier in September, loved it! Its not about the filth and squalor and the deprived economic conditions of the bulk of residents in these cities, its how the cities keep striving to get better, though improvements are painstakingly slow.
I'd love to visit Lahore(Vadee Buzurg aakhne san, "Jenne lahore ni vekhya, oh jammeya i koi nei") and of course my Grandmother's beloved Potohar! Jad vi Rab ni mehr hosi!
Last but not the least, why must we, the children of the subcontinent, always desire our cities to feel 'developed' in the western sense!
A hardcore Potohari!
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Sep 29, 2013 08:24pm
@Suma:
Which city exactly are you talking about? Can't be Bangalore - once the cleanest city in India, now has garbage dumped right on the streets because the people that inhabit areas surrounding land-fills are holding the city to ransom! Democracy comes at a price.
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Sep 29, 2013 08:26pm
@John:
John my friend, Delhi is actually mostly about Mughal and other pre-Mughal rulers, who happened to be mostly Muslims. I don't expect Vaqar Saab, who is a Muslim, to go to Haridwar, Char Dham, St Francis of Assisi's or to Velankeni even!
And these monuments were quite magnificent, until the brits destroyed Delhi in 1857.
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Sep 29, 2013 08:32pm
what is your point to got Delhi or Mumbai to compare Karachi with these Cities.
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Sep 29, 2013 08:34pm
You remind me of Pakistan of Ayub. But such things do not last. It did not in Pakistan and it will not in India.
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Sep 29, 2013 08:45pm
I am in Mumbai right now and witnessing an amazing transformation from what it was five years ago. Many areas are unbelievably cleaner and the public is becoming more courteous than ever before. I feel, the influence and benefits of good education are beginning to show in many societies and that is the way to success. Nobody has questioned me what my religious or sub-sect affiliation is even though the name is very Muslim. And that itself is a big relief and a great sense of freedom.
Computer literacy is high and so is use of IT automation in most walks of life, work and businesses. Some aspects of life may still remain mystical and desi for a long time to come. But that is our identity, culture and trade mark for some time anyway.
Great article Vaqar. I am neither a Pakistani nor an Indian and not even a "chamcha" of the West.
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Sep 29, 2013 08:53pm
Rather than just talking about commonalities between India and Pakistan, I would love to see Pakistanis visiting south and east India too. They are different worlds, yet as interesting. The development in south is much more 'humane' than Delhi.We have out best cities here. Muslims in all south indian states fare much better than north indian counterparts. Delhi is capital so the development. Neglecting south india or east India is india half seen. In east india, be it Bengal or Assam, secularism comes naturally. Rain forests, flora and fauna are abundant. It could be richer experience if you have a taste for diversity!
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Sep 29, 2013 09:00pm
I am from Indian side of Punjab and would some day like to visit Karachi and Lahore.I am sure in another few years when newer genration of Pakistani's not infected by hate propoganda would be in charge these cities would be growing and would be full of light. Dawn is doing good work to this end showing yonger Pakistani's better image of world.
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Sep 29, 2013 08:59pm
This sounds to be a paid article by Tourism Board of India. I visit this 'shining India' once or twice a year. I have seen quite a few contrast to what Vaqar has written. IGI is not that clean, I have also seen it when it was knee deep in water. There is no greenery on the the way from airport. On my next trip I will look for the airconditioned public buses.
The city itself is in bad shape, the new developments lack daily necessity like water connecting transport, etc.
One can write a book but it will be better to stop here as the two countries are trying to be friends once again, and, it can anger my 'Indian friends' too.
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Sep 29, 2013 09:07pm
Before 1947, Karachi was a well maintained city inhabited by Muslims, Hindus, Parsi and Christian communities. All changed as Parsi, Hindu Sindhis and Christian fleed. Hordes from north, east and west, luckily south is a Arabian Sea, invaded the city of Karachi overwhelming the local. The result a broken down city. Every time I visit the city I cry over the good days Karachi witnessed once before.
Today I sill cry over the plight of MY MITHROO (beloved) KARACHI.
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Sep 29, 2013 09:03pm
@John: I wondered about that myself. I sincerely hope that it was just an oversight. The Canaught Place area has a gorgeous Gurudwara and a beautiful Shiva temple as well. It would have been nice to read their description too.
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Sep 29, 2013 09:07pm
Thank You sir, for portraying a b'ful picture of my city... I'm so glad you appreciate the infrastructural development of the city, while an earlier article in Dawn described it as "tragic, demise" and what not... Thank you so much sir... visit us again :)
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Sep 29, 2013 09:15pm
Mr Vaqar Ahmed, I don't know what Karachi is like, but I think you have been very very kind with your words for Delhi.
Going by your first five paragraphs, I think you just happened to be there on a good day! The rest, I have to agree, we're fortunate to have.
I hope you enjoyed Karim's :)
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Sep 29, 2013 09:40pm
Haha being an Indian I myself have not traveled all those beautiful places. After reading the article it feels like being in those places. Hopefully one day an Indian can write about pakistan.
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Sep 29, 2013 09:37pm
karachi and delhi are not the apt comparison. mumbai and karachi were twin cities and had many simlarities
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Sep 29, 2013 09:48pm
Very nice photos, btw!
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Sep 29, 2013 09:44pm
good observation..and interestingly one friend of mine is in Islamabad these days and she is praising a lot about the greenery and beauty of the city..
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Sep 29, 2013 09:51pm
Dear Author,
Thank you very much for nice article... Yes India is changing a lot,,, I suggest you visit Bangalore next time..
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Sep 29, 2013 09:59pm
@John:
It's neither Muslim nor Hindu or for that matter any other religion's monument. Its an INDIAN Monument. As a person who has lived and visited Delhi many times I feel that it does brings a bit of calm visiting all the places that were mentioned.
Living in Delhi though can be hectic with all the hustle.
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Sep 29, 2013 10:05pm
It is too bad that the writer did not talk about differences in food between Delhi and Karachi.
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Sep 29, 2013 10:29pm
@John:
We have a great history in the sub continent we ruled it for a 1000 year, most of its monuments were built by us. So please quit this kind of talk.
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Sep 29, 2013 10:31pm
you must have gone there on a good day. Otherwise Delhi is an overcrowded mess.
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Sep 29, 2013 10:38pm
Good article ... Interesting pictures ...happy to see a city flourishing...
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Sep 29, 2013 10:45pm
Dubai is any day any time much better than Delhi.
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Sep 29, 2013 10:48pm
Oh thank you generous Pakistani man for correcting a misunderstanding we Indians had about Delhi. I'd like to insert a side not that Karachi is not the capital, it is a port city and last time I visited, I hand't watched local tv and roamed around freely and was pleased to see a secular society where everyone was freely doing whatever they wanted. Now that I see your news channels I couldnt blame the state or the large percentage of population for the wrongs of some! I shouldnt say but at this age you should take pride in your things and have some self respect.
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Sep 29, 2013 10:55pm
@John: You simply didnt get the point, did you? His visit to a metropolitan city and then its comparison to Karachi, his home. Youth walking holding hands does not relate it to being Muslims or not, it shows how relaxed the city is in comparison to Karachi. If you have problems with the Muslim names being brought up in his article then you are also ignorant of the fact that it was not just Muslim but an Indian envelope. Indian heritage boasts of a rich Muslim presence. It is only natural to go and visit places that you have heard so much about. he discussed buses, trains, undergrounds. you couldnt see it through your thick racist glasses. what a shame.
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Sep 29, 2013 11:15pm
@John:
I agree with you. Untill Muslim mindset be it pakistani or from India comes out of their Islamic veil, they cannot mix with others. Look at India, even being Hindu dominated, India have restored the Humayum tomb right in the center of Indian capital. Can I expect the same thing from Muslim Pakistan towards Hindu's monuments?
Even the author has just mentioned the Muslims monuments and muslim name markets as you have rightly pointed out. Though there are many temples, churches, parks etc which are maintained and tell different story about delhi.
Author needs to be present the broader view with an eye of brotherhood towards other religions too.
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Sep 29, 2013 11:21pm
I remember when I came delhi 16 yrs ago, there was insane traffic, lots of traffic congestion, menace of private buses but now things got changed drastically. there r countless number of over-bridge came out on road which ease the traffic movement, private buses r being replaced by luxury DTC buses, comfortable metro train totally changed the commutation in delhi. Airport is world class & road is wider. Delhi has highest number of vehicle in India but traffic is well managed & one of the best in India.
I will advice Author to visit Akshardham temple whenever he get chance to visit delhi in future. This is world largest Hindu temple and I bet this is best managed & cleanest religious place in the world.
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Sep 29, 2013 11:27pm
Refreshing to read such the article. But if I have to read between the lines - the author mentioned all the Muslim heritage sites - which are preserved post partition - and that the Indian govt. is making efforts to do more. As a Indian I'm proud of this cultural diversity.
Can author write such article about Hindu heritage sites in Pakistan and give a glimpse of state of affair?
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Sep 29, 2013 11:31pm
Delhi being better than Karachi is not saying much. Delhi is nowhere near Singapore or Tokyo that Indians dream it is. Karachi is going through a bad patch due to the selfishness of rulers and will come out a far better place within a decade or two.
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Sep 29, 2013 11:37pm
@John:
hahaha...... rightly spotted.......... pakistanis are obsessed with religion even the educated elites also..
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Sep 29, 2013 11:41pm
ihavent been to delhi but visits ahmedbad regularly,lots of developement there in last ten yrs.
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Sep 29, 2013 11:56pm
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
For me, Dubai is most depressed city, I have ever visited.
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Sep 30, 2013 12:10am
Delhi was not made by Muhammedans or Mughals, it was always Indraprastha, land of the Central unitary control of Bharat Ganarajya, the very reason why Invaders wanted the throne of the Indian Empire, there are temples as Old as 8000 BCE in Delhi and you want to show us a monument of invasion not older than 1000 years!. Try to show some maturity. We don't eat a lot of blood and meat , neither do we appreciate all that.We have gotten over the Mughals, thrown them out, Gotten over the British, thrown them out and this is India, our own culture, our own selves.You may revel in the glories of your conquerors, not India, not us. Thanks.
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Sep 30, 2013 12:22am
@PShailendra:
I also happened to visit Delhi sometime back, and yes compared to Pakistan heritage sites are in much better state. However, hate to be bearer of the news that Pakistan hardly shows that level of commitment to heritage sites regardless of origin and religion. I was really impressed with New Delhi and felt the same way as the author, there are definite signs of progress, something we don't have as of yet.
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Sep 30, 2013 12:20am
@Yogesh:
I've been to China as well, and I think it's in a completely different league altogether. Delhi (or Bombay) maybe 5 years ahead of Karachi, but Chinese cities are at least 20 years ahead of any large Indian city. And I went to China 8 years ago. It's probably changed by leaps and bounds by now.
I didn't see how anyone in their right mind could compare Beijing and Shanghai with Delhi and Bombay.
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Sep 30, 2013 12:22am
Well... Karachi and Delhi are the wrong comparison. Karachi should be compared to Bombay (or Mumbai); Delhi should be compared to Islamabad or Rawalpindi.
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Sep 30, 2013 12:24am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
Dubai is shining glass and metal, absolutely enjoyable place to visit, I am there twice a year. However to compare it to Delhi...???? How can you compare hundreds if not thousands of years to history to a building site in the Gulf.
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Sep 30, 2013 12:49am
@Tahir A:
I still insist you're being very kind :) But perhaps you notice more change after 5 years than after 4-5 months.
"Nobody has questioned me what my religious or sub-sect affiliation is even though the name is very Muslim. And that itself is a big relief and a great sense of freedom."
That is profound.... In your interactions with Muslims, you mean, or just generally?
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Sep 30, 2013 01:27am
@Ravi:
and the village just 20 Km away from it
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Sep 30, 2013 01:30am
The difference between Dehli and Karachi is Dehli is owned by the country high ups and Karachi is not owned by its own govt whose revenue is generated in Karachi. The bias against Karachi is evident by the amount of revenue given back to the city by federal govt and Sindh government neither they wanted people of Karachi to run their own municipality. The fate of Karachi can only change if it become a separate entity within or outside Pakistan.
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Sep 30, 2013 01:51am
Thank You.
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Sep 30, 2013 02:09am
@PShailendra:
he cant write anything ... in fact no one can ! ? because all hindu ancient sites have been destroyed in islamic republic of pakistan !
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Sep 30, 2013 02:05am
I visit Karachi to see my loved ones and the difference that I see on each visit is astonishing. There is no leaders from any political party that gives a damn about the city. Some of the observations that I can write about are apparent to everybody.
Police & Law: We need a dedicated police force which only answers to the Chief of Police. The city needs to be policed in precincts where by local police can manage their areas.
Long term city planning and infrastructure: The Mayor of Karachi should meet with KDA, KMC, KESC, KWB once a month to lay out a long term plan to see the extension of services.
City property to be safeguarded and designated parks and playgrounds which have been snatched to build mosques overnight should be dealt with. In residential areas people extends to build garages to park their cars in front of their homes. People block footpaths and sidewalks to run their business by blocking the walkways in central business districts.
Electric Supply: With the expansion of the city the load to build power stations need to be addressed. Small localized generating stations that are interconnected with the local grid is the answer. Larger plants are costlier and if they shut down for maintenance the whole system is affected. We need a new department called the Karachi Power Grid System which has final authority over WAPDA & KESC for Karachi. They still can still be the technical advisers to induct solar and wind.
Public Transportation: Karachi needs a public transport system whereby buses and trains can interconnected to ease the flow of traffic. A system to run the transport in this city is the need of the day. We can send people to Toronto Canada to see their transport system.
Water Towers: Build clean water filtration plants outside the city and then to pump the individual water towers spread all over the city.
Roads & Bridges: New roads to be designed so that water catchment from rain water can flow out without standing water on the roads.
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Sep 30, 2013 02:10am
@Sara:
all sensible intellectual and good paksitanis are welcome to india to visit their ancient land s of forefathers...
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Sep 30, 2013 02:12am
@Saifi:
I can not believe how rude one can be. Did you really have to be so rude?. Being able to put two sentences together doesn't allow you to have no respect for anyone. To all the Indian readers I apologise for this incoherent and illogical outburst of Mr. Saifi. Trust me, Pakistanis are not as rude as Mr. Saifi's comments suggest. He certainly doesn't represent my feelings.
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Sep 30, 2013 02:48am
Delhi is not a good representation of India. If you had visited Mumbai, you might have felt differently.
Mumbai is certainly less clean, less green and less organized than Delhi. It has a crazy (but efficient) public transport (10 people die on Mumbai rails daily).
And Mumbai is way too crowded compared to Delhi, but the people there are much better than those of Delhi and that is what matters ultimately.
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Sep 30, 2013 03:09am
@Yogesh:
Interesting.I am in Nanjing for a month now and I agree with you.Another plus point for Nanjing is they tolerate a little bit of uncleanliness associated with we South Asians(unlike say Singapore). People are friendly and least bothered about eternal blood brothers or enemies.In fact with its history and lesser population density,Nanjing is a must for tourists.With the new regime focusing on eradicating corruption etc,things are looking up for China.
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Sep 30, 2013 03:57am
A very well expressed article high-lightiing mostly the good points about the capital city, and only mildly berating the negative aspects. Excellent images captured and presented by Mr Ahmed to supplement the compliments to the city. All Delhi-ites may not fully agree with some of the conclusions fully, but will feel proud with the picture presented. Nevertheless, it is pleasing to any Indian that an author from our neighbouring Pakistan has stated these opinion in such a positive way.
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Sep 30, 2013 04:22am
@AbbasToronto: You could't resist being a spoilsport
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Sep 30, 2013 04:55am
Thank you Waqar for testing our chicken and telling us that the chicken tests good. For us the murgi was always dal barabar.
A balanced article and equally balanced reactions.
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Sep 30, 2013 05:06am
@John:
So what if he did not visit a Church to satisfy you or a Temple to satisfy me. What he visited were Indian monuments, so what harm he did to you? I am glad that he liked his stay in India and I am glad that his article has shown to some people that Hindus and Muslims or Christians- all have same rights. It might show some light to the majority in Pakistan that they could be more kind and polite to the minorities. I would be happy if even few people would change their attitudes towards the minority, I would say Mr Vaqar has done well to help both sides and nations.
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Sep 30, 2013 05:38am
@PShailendra:
They are not worth describing. I can mention few because I lived close to them and walked one way or the other. The famous is the Talab Devi Wala, situated in the Ram Basti, on my way to the Railway Station Gujranwala. This place in its prime time must be very pristine mander, with a beautiful pond and a shining building around it. Possibly, I can imagine young women swimming in it to get the best ablution. Once I entered its main gate, and saw cows parked there. Most of the apartment style dwellings were occupied by the refugees who refused to leave as this was free property for them to claim despite many years had passed after the Partition. Similarly, the fate of other manders are equally bad, dialapidated buildings standing without any renovation or basic simple maintainenace. I am sorry I can't describe more as I had left Gujranwala long time ago. On the GT road, once there was a school operated by the Sikh Community, I believe its name is changed and called Iqbal High School. We probably had changed the name of Toba Tek Singh and many localities names to Islampura. While we Muslims cry on the smallest insult to our heritage, we ignore the other culture's heritage. The recent destruction of a church in Peshawar, is a case in point. Please forgive me if I had hurt any including my Pakistani and Muslims friends sensibilities. In Guranwala, two towering personalities, (oh three); Maharaja Ranjit Sing, Amrita Preetam (aaj aakhan Warrist Shah noon' fame) and of course Altaf Qadir, the famous bureaucrat and intellectual, who probably would be ashamed of what is happening to their heritage.
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Sep 30, 2013 05:34am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
Was Dubai mentioned anywhere in this article.
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Sep 30, 2013 05:55am
Wow, I didn't know that Taj Mahal is in Delhi too. Is Agra a suburb of the Latest Delhi?
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Sep 30, 2013 07:02am
Glad to see moderate views of Pakistani writer. In the west all we see Pakistanis as hard core fundamentalists. It is a pleasant surprise to read and understand moderate Pakistani view. Sooner or later most of the Pakistanis realize growth will only come through peace and harmony with neighbors.
Without peace, liberty for all including women there wont be progress. Unless outside world sees Pakistan as a place to do business, there wont be capital investment and economic growth.
Anyway, impressed with deep compassion for your country by comparing with neighboring society.
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Sep 30, 2013 07:12am
Vaqar Ahmed Sahab:
It is a good article and great effort however, you did not cover any Hindu temple etc...Though, I am a Pakistani and like to see comparison between the cities not by the religion.
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Sep 30, 2013 07:23am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
Author was comparing Karachi and New Delhi, and not Dubai and New Delhi! When we talk about Dubai, we will see how it compares with Singapore or even with Seoul...
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Sep 30, 2013 07:24am
@Akash: Maybe, it was indeed overcrowded mess, but comparing with Karachi perhaps gave it thumbs up!
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Sep 30, 2013 08:27am
Visit again and again , please,... visit other cities in India as well... welcome to India..
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Sep 30, 2013 08:32am
Dear author, if your like delhi, you will definately like cities like Bangalore, Mumbai & Chennai and upcoming cities like Pune, Nagpur, Hydrabad, Visakhapatnam, Ahmedabad, surat, Jaipur, kochi, Mysore etc. Delhi is quite backword and conservative than these cities. these cities are more refreshing, young with modern mindset than delhi. Please note these cities are built by enterpriseing citizens as against the central governement money for delhi. so it caries more wiehtatge.
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Sep 30, 2013 08:36am
@Yogesh:
I can understand the impact the imposing glitter of the glass, aluminum and RCC structures in the Business Districts amongst the Coastal Metros and their peripheries have on the unsuspecting visitors to China.
While not denying the tremendous Chinese growth, to gain true perspective, one has to look at the 'Earth-at-Night' pictures taken by the orbiting International Space Station that reflect the stark reality.
In China, only the coastal regions and the hinterlands of the so-called Middle Kingdom are lit-up and the interiors are doused in darkness; while the entire physical India looks like a bright map of illumination with impressive evenness, except for the 'Thar Desert' - doesn't it convey something more profound...?
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Sep 30, 2013 09:13am
The writer thinks that he is the only one who has ever visited Delhi.
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Sep 30, 2013 09:27am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
Delhi is Delhi without Oil. Just remove oil from dubai and then compare. You must be knowing how dubai was before oil was discovered, right??
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Sep 30, 2013 10:00am
@raja hindustani:
Akshardham, You got to be kidding!!!! Now, we can clearly see that below the surface we have mass illiteracy and no sense of the world (like in this post)! AKSHARDHAM!!!! That's the best joke I have heard in a long while hahahahahaha....Man you have areat sense of humor. Not Qutab Minar, noit Red Fort, not Humayun's tomb, not even Kalkaji mandir, but what was the great heritage and historical monument you could think of Akshardham!!! I'll immediately recommend you for any comedy club you want to work at....Bwahahahahahha... please stop, i can't take it anymore. So Vaquar-saab, there is this new kind of humorous illitearcy you need to write about next time you visit.
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Sep 30, 2013 10:05am
Vaqar Saheb, pleased to read yourarticle. I am in Delhi for last 11 years & feel the changes. Delhi has improved in Infra, Health, Education, Transportation. Its preserve its culture with modernity. Delhi/NCR(Gurgaon, Faridabad, Ghaziabad, Greater Noida & Noida) has more than 180+ Malls with 1100 Monuments. Greenery, Cleaners, Wide roads, Lot of Parks, Disco, vibrant nightlife, Pubs all these becomes the part of life here. Believe Delhi has 78 Lakhs(7.8 Milln) registered vehicles & if we include NCR it comes close to 10 mln vehicles. Presence of almost all big Corporates help to generate employments. Hope Delhi maintain the pace of growth. In your next visit to Delhi, surely you will find something more & new.
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Sep 30, 2013 10:02am
@Ravi:
As a pakistani, I've been to bangalore.....and sorry to say this but delhi is wayyyy better than bangalore. The infrastructure, the cultural/historical sites....delhi is so much more vibrant
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Sep 30, 2013 10:10am
@Ravi:
Ya even the cities like Hyderabad, Pune, Ahmedabad, Surat, Kochi are growing so fast. Surat is the fastest growing city in the world. I have seen the complete change in Indian cites in last 10 years. Cleanliness, modern amenities, malls, shops, gardens.
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Sep 30, 2013 10:23am
Wish to visit Delhi sometime !
One Day My karachi would come to life again few thugs and mafia have hijacked the city ...
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Sep 30, 2013 10:33am
wrote about many plus of delhi and that too in very good words. thanks.your perception consoles to some extent.but still we are not delighted as when comparison is with london ,nyc and chicago etc,we feel overawed and shocked with our output.
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Sep 30, 2013 10:33am
It was nice to read an outsiders view of a city I have been born in, did school, college et all.
I am surprised to learn that things which we find fault with are being appreciated. Speaks I feel of the higher standards expected by a tax payer.
Things are looking up but have a very very long way to go. More than the Govt its the mindset & attitude of the people living in a city which dictates things on the ground. As recent events in Delhi have shown, Govts have to change & even pass laws post haste once the people make up their minds.
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Sep 30, 2013 10:42am
Vaqar bhai, it seems that during your visit to Delhi, you have missed some architectural wonders, or some famous historical monuments in this part of the world - (1) Bahai Lotus temple, (2) Akshardham temple, (3) Gurdwaras (Banglasahib, Sis Ganj & Nanaksar), (4) Rashtrapati Bhavan, (5) Sansad Bhavan, (6) India Gate & Rajpath, (7) ISKCON temple, (8) Lakshmi Narayan temple, (9) Cathedral Church of Redemption, (10) Museums.
Unless you visit these places, you have not visited Delhi - especially, the Akshardham temple, Lotus temple & ISKCON temple are absolute architectural beauties!
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Sep 30, 2013 10:47am
Pictures and discrimination are overwhelmingly amazing sir. :) you are most welcome to come again, after all once upon a time it was your home as well. And everybody else is also welcome whosoever comes with open heart and mind with friendship and love. Peace.
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Sep 30, 2013 11:04am
@PShailendra:
To talk about Hindu heritage site, there should be some remainings of them in Pakistan ;-)
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Sep 30, 2013 11:04am
The author certainly visited Delhi in good times....try to make a visit when there is outbreak!!
and PLEASE do not compare apples with oranges!! It does not seem wise. I respect India as a whole country and would love to visit one day, but sorry I love my Pakistan and specially KARACHI!!
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Sep 30, 2013 11:09am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
Dubai is not build by any Mullahs
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Sep 30, 2013 11:09am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
He is comparing Delhi and Karachi not Dubai n Delhi
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Sep 30, 2013 11:10am
The reason for the transformation is that enormous sums of money has been pumped into Delhi from the Central pool of taxes. Even for the Commonwealth Games, Delhi received over 50,000 Crores. Ironically most of the taxes (over 70%) comes from Western region mainly Mumbai and Gujarat. So Delhi is developing at the cost of rest of India. But not for long. During the last visit, I saw illegal settlements of Bangladeshis all over Delhi. After Assam, Delhi is soon likely to be run over by illegal immigrants.
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Sep 30, 2013 11:12am
While I have never visited Pakistan and have really no close cultural links (being a Maharashtrian) as you people have with the North Indians, I think the truck art found in cities of Pakistan is more intricate than anything found in India... Hope you people find peace and prosperity. :)
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Sep 30, 2013 11:17am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
because dubai got free and cheap oil money
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Sep 30, 2013 11:20am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
Jannat kitni bhi acchi ho ghar se acchi nahi hoti
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Sep 30, 2013 11:46am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
why compare Dubai , its not part of great subcontinent
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Sep 30, 2013 12:14pm
Of all the pics, to me the picture of 'A young woman selling "jharoos" in the very posh Khan Market' captures the human serenity in the concrete, historic and madly busy Delhi. It feels good that people are relaxed in the midst of expectations of high culture and sophistication.
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Sep 30, 2013 12:23pm
Delhi is really excellent. Amalgamation of old and new cultures.
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Sep 30, 2013 12:25pm
I wish the same for pakistan. For god sake, pls. Stop the bloodshed of poor & innocent people.
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Sep 30, 2013 12:36pm
The author has been exceptionally kind in his description of New Delhi.
I live in Toronto and I sigh with frustration when comparing it with an Indian city.
If India's growth can pick up again,I am sure sooner or later,Indian cities will match N American cities or Singapore even.
Takes time a lot of affluence seeping in, I guess?
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Sep 30, 2013 12:40pm
The author has been exceptionally kind in his description of New Delhi.
I live in Toronto and I sigh with frustration when comparing it with an Indian city.
If India's growth can pick up again,I am sure sooner or later,Indian cities will match N American cities or Singapore even.
Takes time a lot of affluence seeping in, I guess?
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Sep 30, 2013 12:43pm
@John: The writer didn't on purpose leave out the areas specific to the hindu religion neither did he visit the "so called muslim heritage areas on purpose". I'm sure both are exquisite to behold.
The monuments and places mentioned are collectively a global heritage and an integral part of world and sub continent indian history; and have existed long before there were 6 different countries in the region. So please enjoy the essence of the article and avoid looking for things which are not there :)
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Sep 30, 2013 12:50pm
Good article, may not informative(because it was restricted) but refreshing ! You could post same pictures and info of Karachi or Lahore. India have huge wealth of culture. From North to South and East to West. If you have time, visit other cities too.
IF, anyone wondering what is written on back of that truck in Hindi under Horn Please,--
Buri Nazar Wale, tu zehar khaa le.
I wonder, woh truck wale achchhi nazar walon ke baare mein kuchh kyon nahi likhte !
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Sep 30, 2013 12:58pm
I think the author of this article is a Pakistani-Muslim and he mainly wrote this piece for Pakistanis. I wonder why so many non-Pakistanis criticizing him for not writing about other Indian cities or monuments made by Hindu Rajas?
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Sep 30, 2013 12:59pm
New Delhi is a national capital city and its comparison with Karachi is incorrect. We invite our Pak friends to visit State Capitals of India like Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkota, Thiruvnantpuram, Patna, Ahmedabad, Hydrabad, Jaipur, Chandigarh, Kashmir, Gangtok, Guwahati, Shilong etc. to understand India and its development viz a viz Karachi in a better way.
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Sep 30, 2013 01:28pm
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
i know, where they treat palkistani as third class citizen, hope u are happy with that
once u hace visited the malls, the desert safari, a few pubs then there is nothing left
i hve lived in dubai its so culturally dead, ist not even arabic, its trying to be european,
well as a goan it not that i dont enjoy my drinks, pubs culturs, any the many goans watering holes there, but after that what?
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Sep 30, 2013 01:36pm
@Vaqar Ahmed
The freedom you see among women is due to its non-muslim population .Jeans , t-shirts , dressing without du-patta won't be there among muslim population as they are very conservative.developement of city is due to its resilient and educated citizens.
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Sep 30, 2013 01:51pm
Turkish/Mughal era historical monuments are combined heritage for Hindus and Muslims. Although Muslims population in 1947 choose to part away from India, leaving these monuments behind. But India and Indian public loves these heritage which may belong to any community and will endeavor hard to protect and work hard to retain it to its pristine glory.
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Sep 30, 2013 01:53pm
Thanks for visiting India and your article. Yes , when I read Pakistani newspapers(for last ten years), I suspect your society is not in good shape,lots of violence and narrow minded acts. India is comparatively peacful and accommodative. Please change the way of your schooling,thoughts and approach to others.It feels sad that pakistani people-who look like us except the religion are sufferring so much.
In india, Mughals,shahs who ruled us-many mercilessly-are still part part of our history and we do not hide their good things. That is why we have Aurangjeb road in Delhi, though he destoryed many Hindu temples. Accept the past as it is and move forward in current tense. I know you are not the culprit for mess in Karachi/Pakistan. But may be you can take a lead.....Good Luck..Thanks again..
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Sep 30, 2013 02:01pm
I am very amused to see Delhi get such a clean chit from you, sir! To me it was as chaotic and indisciplined as most big Indian cities are! But the monuments of Delhi, yes they are truly awesome. But i do hope you will sometime also get the opportunity to visit our southern cities like chennai(old timers amongst us would still like to call it Madras!) Cochin, hyderabad etc. Come to Bangalore, we cannot promise you a clean city- it is sadly totally garbage filled and overcrowded now due to a huge influx of migrants, but its a great city nevertheless. Its a very Hindu city, a very Muslim city and a very Christian city as well, each culture is so prominent and coexists marvellously. It is also very traditionally very Indian, very westernised and very international too. A little bit of everything. Besides one of the most advanced and exciting IT cities of the world. And the Kannada people, like all south indians known for their very peaceful, mild and tolerant natures. Please come!
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Sep 30, 2013 02:14pm
The writer wrote a completely irrelevant comparison.
Comparing Karachi with Delhi is not even a fair comparison, comparing Delhi with Islamabad as they are both National Capitals would be more appropriate.
If you wanna compare Karachi compare it with Mumbai and you will realize its not so much different.
This article shows your serious lack of observation and knowledge about how to compare 2-entities.
As a famous saying goes - do not compare apples with oranges.
Regards.
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Sep 30, 2013 02:22pm
Wonderful article. The name of the mosque is Jama Masjid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jama_Masjid,_Delhi
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Sep 30, 2013 02:24pm
" The main difference between Karachi and Delhi. In Karachi, the state has completely abandoned the people while in Delhi, the state does deliver to some extent thus improving the lives of the denizens and giving them some hope for the future."
Dear, go to Mumbai, or Kolkata, or Chennai, or Hyderabad or even Rangpur, you are bound to say the same words about these cities too.
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Sep 30, 2013 02:46pm
@Sonal:
What you see in China is a smokescreen. The poor and the middle class in the city have been forcibly displaced to the rural parts so that the city looks urbane and sophisticated and shown as a rival to the cities of the West. The reality in China is extremely disturbing as the pressure to remain the world's #1 economy means that more and more Chinese are made to work hours on end under duress and away from their families. One or the other day, this baloon is bound to burst for the world to see.
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Sep 30, 2013 02:46pm
Nice article and depicts the facts as such, which is very rare these days. Well done and please write more on any topic with absolute honesty. I would love to see that.
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Sep 30, 2013 03:09pm
Thanks for giving a clear unbiased picture of Delhi. Now we can believe that we are growing & I am confident our cities will become better than London or Paris in another few years.
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Sep 30, 2013 03:12pm
@Suma: thanks
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Sep 30, 2013 03:20pm
I have been in Delhi for sometime now and I admit it's a very vibrant city. But I must say we complain a lot over the things going on over here :) And I am pleasantly surprised to read this especially in a Pakistani newspaper. But as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder and perhaps peace and happiness is only relative.
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Sep 30, 2013 03:40pm
Pl. compare Karachi with Mumbai, or Chennai, or Kolkatta; and Delhi with Lahore. Islamabad can be compared with Chandigarh.But what about BANGALORE, the rising star of India
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Sep 30, 2013 04:05pm
@fida sayani:
same happened with delhi. millions of people who migrated from pakistan settled in delhi. the will and determination of these guys has fueled delhi's growth since 1947. you guys and people all across pakistan should push for better implementation of democratic systems. that is the only way people can control growth of their cities.
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Sep 30, 2013 04:16pm
JOHN : "Interestingly, the author only writes about Muslim monuments, markets with Muslim names. Ever ventured outside your Muslim envelope?"
@John:
all monuments are indian and most of them have muslim names. you cant change that... and about the author
"The author is an engineer turned part-time journalist who likes to hang out at unfashionable places like shrines, railway stations and bus stops"
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Sep 30, 2013 04:12pm
I also could not beleive that the author was talking about the Delhi Airport.
Also good to see that women are improing a lot and therefore improving the nation a lot as well.
Hope and PRAY that Pakistan will start on to the right path today.
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Sep 30, 2013 04:23pm
During my last trip to India, what amazed me most was that even in rural areas, there were endless lines of boys and girls walking to their schools. People have realized that educating their children is the only way to uplift themeselves. A cab driver who I hired one day said that he worked 14 hours a day. When I asked why he worked so hard, his answer was simple. My both children, a daughter and a son were in private schools.
One of our maids in my brothers house was proud to let me know that her daughter was completing her masters degree in Sociology from Bombsu University.
Internal peace, and constructive attitudes are the key to success.
Strifes need to be replaced by strides in development. Please educate your daughters and sons, you will have an educated nation. Even a fourteen year girl Malala knows that.
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Sep 30, 2013 04:41pm
Worth reading! you wrote something which i am thinking since past many weeks that other cities are changing for good or at least there is hope that things are getting better while Karachi is going backwards.
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Sep 30, 2013 04:46pm
I believe its better to compare Delhi with Lahore than Karachi, Mumbai should be compared with Karachi since its a Port City, however despite of several unresolved issues here Iam blessed to be born in India where we study,sit,eat,play work with people from all religions/cultures/languages. Trust me all this helps in the evolution rather than being living in a country with only one religion/language etc since you don't get a chance to compare your flaws and shortcomings as every thing remains same all around.
As for the infrastructure in Delhi yes its an un imagined improvement compared to what it was just 8 years back, kudos to all the planners and developers.
My 2 Cents
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Sep 30, 2013 04:45pm
Dear Mr Vaqar, you're welcome in India - a country of infinite colours and possibilities.
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Sep 30, 2013 04:53pm
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
You are certainly not an Emirati. Whats your point?
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Sep 30, 2013 05:02pm
Just a correction, Hauz Khas is not in Old Delhi. It is in South Delhi. The ancient Hauz Khas village has a pond surrounded by historical buildings and adjacent to it is the posh South Delhi neighborhood of Hauz Khas and Safdarjang Development Area.
Old Delhi is the city within the walls of Shahjahanabad. More appropriately the localities with the PIN Code 110006 or Delhi-6.
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Sep 30, 2013 05:45pm
I am an Indian and its a heart wish of mine to travel to Pakistan sometimes. I have heard so much about the large heartedness of pakistanis. I am so sure I will have a great time and will love the place. Please dont believe what the media and the politicians tell you. No normal person, anywhere in the world wants anything but the good for another person.
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Sep 30, 2013 07:19pm
I really hope Pakistani cities become as enjoyable and as safe as Delhi and Mumbai.
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Sep 30, 2013 07:28pm
@G M Patra:
Pakistan is ALREADY on the right path (minus some extremist elements). Indian govt and media always portrays Pakistan in a bad light.
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Sep 30, 2013 07:29pm
@AK:
You're more than welcome to visit my great country, Pakistan.
I'm sure you will have a great time my friend.
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Sep 30, 2013 07:31pm
I agree on above article but dehli should not be compared with KARACHI
It should be compared with LAHORE as the old and the new area of lahore is far more better & cleaner then dehli
I have almost visited most cities of india which are still dirtier and karachi-lahore-islamabad is still very clean & have better living standard then any city in india.
So i request the author to show some good info of our own pakistan also please
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Sep 30, 2013 09:14pm
@Vaqar Ahmad Saab
Nice to know that you liked the little bit of India that you saw. But I was disappointed to note that you did not avail of the opportunity to know a little more about people, other than Muslims, inhabiting this country.
Delhi has absolutely beautiful Jain Temples, Gurudwaras, Churches and Cathedrals and yes Hindu monuments too.
Better luck next time.
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Sep 30, 2013 09:36pm
Mian Vaqar Ahmed Saab, I do enjoy all your articles. There is something important you missed in this write-up, which is, your Muslim identity would have been of no concern to anyone in your travels in India, and they would have been only surprised had you identified yourself as a Pakistani ( to someone who did not know you earlier ). That, Sir,is the tragi-comedy that has cost all of us dear over close to 70 years.
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Sep 30, 2013 11:09pm
India is under construction, take society, economy, infrastructure etc and moving towards betterment. We have at least 10 cities similar to Lahore or Karachi call them A category, 25 cities similar to Lucknow are in B category and around 30 cities like Meerut in C categories. I am very hopeful that in next 20 year India will be quite changed. The author should have visited to suburbs of Delhi like NOIDA, Greater NOIDA, Gurgon, Ghaziabad, Faridabad to see the miracle of Infrastructure India has initiated, they are at par the west.
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Sep 30, 2013 11:38pm
Kuch gum baatengey,
Kuch baato pe hassenge,
Tum kuch apni sunana,
Kuch hum apni ke henge,
Jo guzzar Gaya us pe do ansoo jhalkenge,
Par mere bhai
Apni agli nasal ki Kushi ke liye hum
Kab tak ke duje se roothey rahenge?
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Oct 01, 2013 01:19am
Author need to compare Capital city with a capital city. Karachi is not the capital of Pakistan. That's what most people from Karachi think. You should compare Delhi to Islamabad.
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Oct 01, 2013 01:31am
My Pakistani brothers - please note how well we have preserved the Mughal monuments in India but its not the same with non-Muslim monuments in Pakistan
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Oct 01, 2013 01:33am
Sir ji - aglee bar Delhi aana to please hamare ghar par khana khaana.
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Oct 01, 2013 02:11am
China has a GDP which is 3.5-4.0 times India's.
Better affluence translates into better buildings,better roads,better public utilities and better over all functioning.
Bet Chinese cities are 3.5-4.0 times the functionality of Indian cities!!
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Oct 01, 2013 05:38am
Javed Naqvi must be getting mad at this blog :)
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Oct 01, 2013 05:52am
Comparison of two worse. I am Indian and I know Delhi is not what is being portrayed at here.
Delhi has improved in last decade, Airport terminal 3 is much of international standard, Highways going out of Delhi are now much wider, industries that were polluting air has been closed, Metro has iven more choices to the commuters but still Delhi no way close to the mark of satisfaction. Low quality of food, safety issues for women, urbun poverty, lack of water and electricity, air water pollution are all problem in Delhi. As per recent report, 20% of the people of Delhi has kidney problem.
Being better than Karachi, is not something people people of Delhi should celebrate.
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Oct 01, 2013 08:32am
btw. what is djinns?
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Oct 01, 2013 11:17am
@Ali Asghar (Emerging Circle):
Dubai is not a Pakistani city.....unless you think that all the lands are yours like what Allama Iqbal said "Cheen-o-Arab hamara, Hindustan hamara, Muslim main hum, watan hai sara jahan hamara"
Don't go there and tell this to Arabs...they will kick you out of the country
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Oct 01, 2013 02:09pm
@Vishal Sood:
Dear Vishal, couldn't agree more with your sentiments. I really hope one day, we will all be able to visit each other's birth places of our forefathers. I for one, would love to visit the cities where my father grew up.
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Oct 01, 2013 02:56pm
@ROHIT PANDEY:
Dear Rohit, India and Indians are lucky to have a country and more importantly politicians (in most part) who have sincerely served their country. The fact that you also have quite developed acoountability systems in place, makes it difficult for politicians to slip through the net (Minister of railways is a good example). Pakistanis (atleast the ones who are above the usual propaganda being spread by people who do not want to see Pakistan and India living happily side by side together). I am a frequent visitor to Mumbai and the hospitality I get when they find out I am originally from Pakistan, is unbelievable. I totally agree with you. You should come over to Pakistan and I am confident you will get the same hospitality and love that I get whenever I am in India. Don't forget it used to be ONE country until only recently. Irrespective of what you hear, Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad are lovely cities and more importantly people who live in those cities really do have a big heart.
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