My name is human

Published Aug 06, 2013 05:21pm

There was a time when the Christian church used to insist upon establishing ‘the kingdom of heaven’ on earth through the state. This doctrine was made the basis to justify many crimes of humanity that were committed in God’s name, such as the Medieval and the Spanish Inquisitions and the Crusade wars.

The separation of the church and state in the Christian world was first established by the German monk Martin Luther. His doctrine of the ‘two kingdoms of God’, one of a secular state and one of establishing faith in the hearts of believers through the Gospels, came to be known as the Protestant Reformation. In his book, ‘On Secular Authority’, he advocated the principle of ‘the liberty of conscience’ – which prohibits any human authority from coercing anyone’s spiritual beliefs. He insisted that God requires voluntary belief, and that since coerced belief is always insincere, it must never be allowed.

Though disputed by many, there are also many Muslim scholars around the world who have advocated the separation of religion and state. They argue that the separation of the political power of the Sultans from the religious power of the Emirs was established early on in the Muslim world. Recently, the Grand Imam of Cairo’s Al-Azhar University, Ahmed Al-Tayeb, together with leading Egyptian intellectuals formulated a document outlining the relationship between religion and state. The document supports the establishment of a modern, democratic and constitutional state based upon the separation of powers and guaranteeing equal rights to all citizens. Though he says that the principles of Sharia or Islamic Law should remain the essential source of legislation, Christians and Jews should also have their own tribunals to which they can have recourse.

One of the main reasons why the Ahmadiya have been so violently persecuted lies in their secular understanding of Islam, which they say, does not promote a system that divides the citizens of a country into classes, where Muslims are first class citizens and everyone else is not. This doctrine is perceived as a threat by those who seek to establish an Islamic Khilafat in the world through the use of force. This persecution led our most notable scientist and Nobel laureate, Dr Abdus Salam to leave the country and establish his world-renowned International Centre for Theoretical Physics (ICTP) in Italy.

Today, there are many secular countries in the world with a majority of Muslim populations (though many of them have extremist Islamic factions fighting against the state), such as Turkey, Bangladesh, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikstan, State of Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt, Lebanon, Senegal, Mali, Guinea, Gambia, Chad, Burkina Faso, Albania, Azerbaijan, Bosnia Herzegovina, Kosovo and Northern Cyprus.

Though Pakistan was founded by people who believed in a more enlightened understanding of Islam, they were unable to formulate it properly into legislation before the country was taken over by more extremist elements, therefore this country is still in the midst of this debate. Organisations which had once been against the formation of Pakistan, because they found it too ‘secular’, such as the Jamaat-e-Islami suddenly appeared to become the ‘true representatives’ of the Pakistani Muslims. Reformist scholars of Islam such as Ghulam Ahmed Pervez, a close associate of Allama Iqbal and Muhammad Ali Jinnah, were ridiculed and silenced because of pressure from the Wahabi strain of Islam from Saudi Arabia. The non-Muslim leaders of the Pakistan movement, such as Jogendra Nath Mandal from Bengal (who had been given the ministries of Law, Justice and Work Force by Jinnah) and Sir Victor Turner (the first Finance Secretary of Pakistan) left the country disappointed. The only non-Muslim leader from the Pakistan movement who stayed on to later become Chief Justice of Pakistan was Alvin Robert Cornelius who is buried in the Christian cemetery of Lahore.

Today, we live in a country where every aspect of a person’s political and personal life is judged upon the basis of religion. The space for people who are against extremist forms of religion, as well as against the American Imperialist neo-con agenda is rapidly shrinking. Secularism is looked down upon as a bad word or even a Western conspiracy against Islam, while many people, including organs of the state, look upon the Taliban as brave and uncompromising defenders of the faith against Western democracy.

This state of affairs, which has resulted in an appalling increase in the outward appearance of religiosity, while leaving people devoid of a genuine sense of human morality, leaves me wondering whether Bangladesh today, which was East Pakistan at one time, is closer to the original vision of our founder Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.


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Arieb Azhar is a singer songwriter based in Islamabad. He studied Philosophy and Indology from the University of Zagreb in Croatia, where he also used to lead an Irish Celtic World Music band.

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Comments (85) (Closed)


Eddied
Aug 06, 2013 06:01pm

Excellent...well written and right on the point...you have captured the heart of the problem that needs to be resolved in Pakistan...no one from the outside can do it, this change must be made internally ...how many more must be killed before your leaders take action?...good luck!...

Khan
Aug 06, 2013 06:34pm

Ecellent Analysis.

Sonal
Aug 06, 2013 06:34pm

It’s interesting you to come that conclusion about Bangladesh. Ironically, even the current state of the Muslims of India is closer to the original vision of Jinnah. They’re co-existing peacefully with the Hindus despite being a minority.

Tanvir
Aug 06, 2013 07:52pm

Forget what Mr. Jinnah wanted. Let the People of a country, be it Pakistan, choose a system of laws that is based on and reflect their ingrained belief - religious or secular. It is however important to ensure that a ruling majority (secular or religious) protects the human rights of the minorities. In this regard, all religions & the secular concepts all claim to protect minority rights. It's just they need to be aggressive in protecting such rights.

BRR
Aug 06, 2013 08:33pm

When a society gets rid of its minorities, it looses some of its legacy too, and the place for opposite views shrinks further. Tokenism takes over, with token appointments of one or two minority figures. Pakistan today is rife with tokenism - the next step is to do away with even that - and shamelessly promote total annihilation of any opposition - a la fascism. Pakistan is turning fascist.

sherie
Aug 06, 2013 08:45pm

I really enjoy reading your blog. bless you for writing this point of view. Please do it in Urdu too. of course there are people who will nit pick because of their own insecurities, but i hope that one day this become the majority opinion so we start keeping our imans to ourselves and measuring other humans on the scale of kindness towards people.

Tariq
Aug 06, 2013 09:10pm

Excellent, very well written article and an honest one.

sameer
Aug 06, 2013 09:30pm

There are number of Muslim or Muslim groups calling for secularism, but they are not never persecuted like Ahmedi. Reason is Ahmedis refuse to accept Prophet Muhammad saw as the last prophet and they called themselve Muslim.

observer
Aug 06, 2013 09:39pm

Secularism is looked down upon as a bad word or even a Western conspiracy against Islam, while many people, including organs of the state, look upon the Taliban as brave and uncompromising defenders of the faith against Western democracy.

In one word- Frightening.

Bakhtawer Bilal
Aug 06, 2013 09:41pm

A very nice article.

suresh
Aug 06, 2013 10:37pm

True. The question here is who will act against the extremist elements in Pakistan. Educating the people about the beauty of democracy is important. But I am not sure whether the deep rooted religious faith will allow that. I think what Pakistan needs is good leadership which can transform the society. Imran khan initially showed some promise but again he has also proved to be a scared politician who wants to save his life at any cost.

Razzaq
Aug 06, 2013 11:21pm

Good write-up. Unfortunately the society have gone so far that all the evils described and forbidden in Islam are accepted openly and a word like secularism is considered an evil. Question is, could this society survive? and if so, for how long?

malik
Aug 07, 2013 12:13am

I have still been looking for people who are religious and judge others on according to any rules religious or non religious basis. There is only one way people judge you and that is do you benefit them or not. Do you have money or not.

Parvez
Aug 07, 2013 12:46am

I have heard you sing and now I read what you have written and let me say that you amaze me on both counts. In the above article your thoughts are clear and in my opinion absolutely correct.

Muhammad Arif
Aug 07, 2013 02:08am

If Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Iqbal were among us today they would weep at the sorry state of our nation and ummah.

Justice is the back bone of any society. Provide people Justice and I promise you all will be well with the help of Allah (SWT).

Jalaluddin S. Hussain
Aug 07, 2013 03:32am

Thankfully, the JI which ridiculed Jinnah and his secular concept of Pakistan from the very beginning, has never been popular during the last 65 years of Pakistan's existence, in spite of the systematic brainwashing of some religiously-inclined groups. Only in the dark days of General Zia, with the help of some retrogressive groups, were they able to win some elected seats.

Let Pakistan be a secular state where religion is a matter of personal conviction only.

Aamir
Aug 07, 2013 04:27am

A good composition

Babar
Aug 07, 2013 06:29am

As long as the colonial structure set up to rule the subjects of the state is intact, any reform is meaningless.The debate to separate religion from state or to have a religious theocratic state or a secular one is meaningless. What lies at the heart of the problem is Injustice. Whether it is Ayub Khan's Secular years or the Zia and post Zia Islamised years, the power brokers remain the same both at the top level and at the grass root levels. Religious intolerance, discrimination based on sect and violence are just symptoms, and the author's diagnosis is incorrect, since all these evils stem out of economic and social injustice and inequality, not from being a secularist or religious zealot.

Mumtaz
Aug 07, 2013 07:04am

Thank you for having the guts to stand up and write this truth. Although Dawn has published your article, I see they are, up and front, claiming these brave words do not reflect the opinion of the Dawn group. Sad and the key reason why our silence has given the crazies space to destroy Pakistan. Yes, Bangladesh was always intellectually ahead of Pakistan. They have the guts to ban Jamat-e-Islami party. Can you imagine Pakistan doing that??

Arif Humayun
Aug 07, 2013 07:27am

Excellent, you have hit the nail on the head. Separation of religion and government is the key to success.

Interestingly, during my research on Abbasid Caliphate, under whose reign legislate sharia was developed, there was an inbuilt separation of religion and politics. While the sharia legislation was framed by the Caliphate, its implementation was done by independent political rulers who ruled under the umbrella of the Abbasid Caliphate. I identified thirteen different political dynasties that ruled under the Abbasid Caliphate.

Pramod
Aug 07, 2013 09:20am

We all are human first that need to be understand by Muslim.

Romm
Aug 07, 2013 10:50am

Excellent article.

basheer
Aug 07, 2013 11:23am

Secularism leads to humanity.

Dixit
Aug 07, 2013 11:46am

Though secularism is the most favourite topic of writers of Dawn these days but I think Islam & secularism can never walk hand in hand.

Rajeev
Aug 07, 2013 11:55am

excellent

Anoop
Aug 07, 2013 12:09pm

"...leaves me wondering whether Bangladesh today, which was East Pakistan at one time, is closer to the original vision of our founder Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah."

While addressing the Karachi Bar Association on 25 January 1948 on the occasion of the holy Prophet´s birthday, Jinnah said: "Some are misled by propaganda. Islamic principles are as applicable to life as they were 1,300 years ago. The Constitution of Pakistan will be made on the basis of the sharia."

Jinnah clearly wanted a Sharia based Constitution, which also means Sharia law. But, Bangladesh is banning Religious parties and is not an Islamic Republic. It is becoming more and more Secular, that means away from Sharia as the basis of Constitution and Law,as Jinnah wanted per the quote.

So, clearly they are not following what Jinnah wanted or Pakistan. I don't understand how anyone can come to the conclusion that Bangladesh is closer to Jinnah's vision, than Pakistan. It is Pakistan which is closer to Jinnah's vision.

Bangladesh is closer to the Indian ideology, established by Congress and Nehru in particular, against Muslim League and Jinnah.

imran s
Aug 07, 2013 12:38pm

Really like this article. A true reflection on past and present situations in Pakistan.

Aamir
Aug 07, 2013 12:55pm

I have seen our mosques spreading an extremely narrow minded version of Islam. I have seen JI being a moral police of Pakistan. But I have never seen what I see on TV lately. It seems like JI and the likes have taken over our country through media mugals. In country where Dr. Amir Liaquat is being loved, scares me. No wonder extremist elements go about doing their thing with impunity. Three parties stood against these evil forces and we saw how PPP ANP and MQM was targeted recently in the elections. Sadly no other party said a word because they were not being targeted. Soon they will also be targeted and no one would say a word then. Imran Khan recently had a taste of his very own darling CJ and SC. Soon he will realize who actually are the enemies of Pakistan. But that would take time since we know JI is still his partner in the KP govt and otherwise. I am no leader but honest to god, I will stand against these forces and would rather get wiped out fighting these brainless power hungry thugs represented as fighters of Islam. I will stand against them with people like the writer of this article. Enough is ENOUGH

mian waheed
Aug 07, 2013 01:53pm

There is no religion bigger than humanity.

Malik
Aug 07, 2013 02:06pm

Another article reflecting views of extremist liberal minority; trying to force their way of life on majority.

Ijaaz
Aug 07, 2013 02:06pm

Well for starters, it is not exactly religion which is the root cause of this but the jaundiced understanding of it. Most of these guys who get influenced so easily by whatever comes out of the mouths of those who stand in the pulpit, are usually ill informed about religion. They take whatever the imam says as the final word without bothering to check it out themselves.

Since religion is so ingrained into the psyche of the populace, it is only through mosques that this ideology can be countered. Iran and Saudi Arabia, which actually have a much more 'Islamic' element in their laws have very little terrorism on their soils. Heck I'd feel safer cruising the lanes of downtown Dam-mam than downtown Detroit any given day or night. Have you ever wondered why?

There are many good imams who force people to introspect and align their lives according to the sunnah of the prophet. They hardly spew bile against anyone since they want the masses to introspect and changes themselves for the better. Think Tariq Jamil, think zulfiqar ahmad naqshbandi. Such imams must be promoted across the country (and the sects therein. Presently most of them are only affliated to the Tableeghi Jamaat and the Tasawwuf folks) . Imams whose 'sermon' merely consists of spewing hatred against people must be told to mend their ways or check out.

Pakistan would have to continuously monitor what is being told across mosques around the country. A civilian task force (which can report to the authorities anonymously) need to be used in order to make it easy for the authorities to keep tab on the mosques. It is only through teaching the right message that the masses (I'm talking about the ones who are rarely seen here on the tribune. The actual blood and flesh of the Pakistani body politic) would have their dogmas repealed, their thinking corrected. No amount of head scratching by the liberals would do much otherwise. A very large majority of the country can be thought of as moderately conservative (right of center in US lingo) and unless they see the change as inherently Islamic in nature and rather a revival of the original egalitarian ethos which Islam preaches, nothing will change in Pakistan. In fact anything that is perceived to be even remote 'western' would be rejected outright.

This of course would have to done in parallel to hammering the Taliban who are unlikely to change their views. They are the modern day kharijites.

javed
Aug 07, 2013 02:18pm

There is no concept of secularism in islam...the supremacy of islam is at the heart of theology and hence secularism (which is equality of all religions before law) is in direct conflict with basic tenets.. this is unfortunate but the bitter truth..unless a fundamental change to basic tenets is done .. secularism cannot floirish in muslim societies..

Khanm
Aug 07, 2013 02:40pm

YA Allah.....
grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

illawarrior
Aug 07, 2013 03:42pm

For most people in "western civilisations", religion is a non-issue. Most people have no idea of what, if any, religion is followed by their work colleagues and neighbours.

Nalu
Aug 07, 2013 04:00pm

@sameer: You cannot persecute somebody just because they don't agree with you. It could be the other way around if they are in a majority. Just give it a thought.

Parvez
Aug 07, 2013 04:19pm

Well written

Abdur Razzaq
Aug 07, 2013 04:22pm

A complete innocent article from brother who wants a Pakistan that suites his desire and understanding (Singing, Philosophy, Music, etc). Hence, he branded the Sunnah of our beloved Nabi to Wahabism, and felt sorry for the people who dont want Shariah as their governing law leaving the nation. For him i believe if Justin Brewer of some Musician rules him or his family and says what is correct for him and what not is good, and he want that kind of life. But if this is said by Allaah then it is not acceptable. Another reason he citied pakistan not grown to its expectation is that some people did not push it. It is not people who will install Shariah law, it is Allaah blessing that will need here.

HumanFirst
Aug 07, 2013 05:04pm

The problem we have is that of fundamentalism whether it be Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Jewish etc. I beling to a religion outside of the four I have mentioned here and strongly believe religion should be personal, compassionate and private to an individual. I will never dream of persecuting those of another religion whilst shouting the name of my own religion NEVER. Followers of all four major religions mentioned are guilty of exactly that. Realistically which GOD of what religion wants its followers to slaughter innocent men, women and children? I guess the point I wish to make is be a honest, decent, hard working and compassionate human being first and surly only then you will be accepted by your religion.

Latif Khan
Aug 07, 2013 06:54pm

A good article for provoking thoughts. One wonders when Pakistani will learn. Pakistan has introduced religion into its constitution when this should be people's responsibility to follow their own religion. It is one's own matter with God and state has got nothing to do with it. Recently Pope declared while in Lebanon that state and religion should be separated realising after hundreds of years.of Crusading on the name of religion.

john
Aug 07, 2013 07:22pm

In every religion there are some orthodox people, but in Islam, it is to many. Most of them are very religious outside, but inside they can stoop to any low for some material gains.

Geo TV once reported muslims form the largest criminal groups in the western jails. Google it.

Zubair Khan
Aug 07, 2013 07:29pm

This state of affairs, which has resulted in an appalling increase in the outward appearance of religiosity, while leaving people devoid of a genuine sense of human morality, leaves me wondering whether Bangladesh today, which was East Pakistan at one time, is closer to the original vision of our founder Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Yes you are right. BD is much much closer to the original vision of Jinnah. Unless Paksitan follows the same role model at least I see no light at the end of the tunnel.

john
Aug 07, 2013 07:38pm

@Mumtaz: Obsession for Islam will destroy the Islamic countries and wil lead to civil war. Egypt is the latest example.

john
Aug 07, 2013 07:41pm

The west is busy exploring energy sources from other planets, and Muslims are busy who is the true follower of Islam. No wonder, Muslims are the most backward people in this planet.

Krish Chennai
Aug 07, 2013 10:07pm

This article reminds me of a song I used to hear as a kid when I wandered the back streets of Calcutta, by Mohammed Rafi " Tu Hindu banega na Mussalmaan banega, Insaan ki aulaad hai Insaan Banega" ( for those who don't know Urdu, I give a free translation " You will neither be a Hindu or a Muslim, you are born to a human, and will be a human " ) Eid Mubarak, to all Humans !

Khalid M
Aug 07, 2013 10:23pm

@sameer: How distorted your understanding about Ahmadis is. Not surprising at all since the forced amendments in your country's constitution have made you believe that since 1974. And that is a new matured generation by itself that is almost 40 years old now which is brought up on hatred of fellow countrymen.

Agha Asad Raza
Aug 07, 2013 10:24pm

Well written and thought provoking! One's religion is a personal matter and NO one has any say in it!! Live and let live should be the catch phrase in Pakistan!

Ajit Kumar Das
Aug 07, 2013 10:47pm

It's a brilliant and incisive article, exposing the hollowness of closed mindset. Religion establishes a relationship between God and man. In a unique way, it's personal and also reciprocal. Without God man is spiritually sterile. Without man God's love becomes meaningless. If the relationship is perceived in this light without outward diktats, man can say - 'Yes, my name is human'.

S. Tanwir Hasan
Aug 07, 2013 11:57pm

@Aamir: I love people of your kind who feel pain for this unfortunate country, are knowledgeable about problems and know the right reasons for the problems and willing to fight to correct the mess in which this country has fallen due to extreme indoctrination of extreme views about religion Islam.

Igloo
Aug 08, 2013 01:00am

It seems this is a competition between those who wish to give faith the top slot in life and those who see it as an accessory. Inevitably only one can dominate, the other has to find a way to encourage some kind of tolerance, but will inevitably feel constant pressure. In Pakistan it is the non-religious who feel this pressure, it countries like Germany it is the religious who feel it.

The non-religious is Pakistan talk of secularism as some kind of level playing field when in fact they are trying leverage themselves into a dominant position. The Maulvis are not so stupid as to not see this.

As for secularism being a solutions, the MQM have shown the way there it seems

Rizwan
Aug 08, 2013 02:57am

@Abdur Razzaq: Take some time and carefully read the article. What you said is exactly what the author is against. He talks about giving an individual the freedom to choose what is right for him/her, under the constitution of the state. The intolerant and close-minded state that you dream of has never flourished in human history. And yes, human history goes beyond Islam!

Syed Nazim
Aug 08, 2013 04:34am

In Pakistan anti secular lobby is suffering from inferiority complex. They think that Pakistan idealogy was weak and can not stand without clutches of religion.They dont understan that a secular Pakistan state can have all the best of Islam and other religions. India is secular where cow slaughter is banned and religious books are part of school curriculam. Compare india's international immage with Pakistan. In Pakistan Islamic value are no where seen in life . We are Muslims by name sake, We dont realise that by shunning secularism in state affairs we are doing great injustice to Muslims in countries they are minority. A man is born once why should he not own a contry. a mother land and love it. God can not be unjust.

Shafi
Aug 08, 2013 07:07am

@javed: The technical and strict meaning of secular is tolerance. I and millions more believe every messenger that came was secular. They were the most tolerant humans on the face of earth.

Can anyone deny that Mohammad (pbuh) was the most tolerant of whomever didn't believe him?

Ram Krishan sharma
Aug 08, 2013 09:04am

@javed: You spoke the truth. You seem to be a learned person . I have read about 8 books on Islam including the holy Quran. I came to the same conclusion as you.

malole
Aug 08, 2013 09:13am

@Malik: Secular people have never killed or persecuted anyone religious. On the contrary it is the other way around. Calling oneself secular is now a sin.

pramod
Aug 08, 2013 09:35am

@sameer: Whats wrong in that If they have different belief than yours. This thinking need to be changed You need to be worried about your thinking and others. God has created many ways to reach him that you should understand

SomeKaffirHuman
Aug 08, 2013 09:43am

@Author: Do not you even know, Humanity is much on the lower side and Islam is much much above. Great great Zakir Naik has said that. Same like you do not need to study class 2nd or 3rd, rather do your graduation.

Danish A.
Aug 08, 2013 10:02am

@Malik: The irony in your comment is amusing. We are not forcing anything, you can practice your religion and live your life as you would like according to your religion and let me do the same. As to governing of a nation, in terms of economy, education, national security, etc. Let's solve these issues based on facts and evidence of what works and what doesn't, rather than your theology or mine.

Danish A.
Aug 08, 2013 10:05am

@Dixit: Turkey, half a dozen former Soviet states, tens of african states, bangladesh, Indonesia, etc. It is one thing to say something can't work, another to say you don't want it to work. I think you said the former but should've said the latter.

nonmuslim
Aug 08, 2013 11:37am

Is Sharia be Secular?,if not it needs to be made Secular and be implemented into the Muslim world.

George Thakur
Aug 08, 2013 12:11pm

A wonderful article. Entirely unbiased. Based exclusively to protect Human Relationships. The Muslim world has a responsibility to honour such opinions towards a better world. Keep up the good work, Azhar saheb.

Aamir Siddiqui
Aug 08, 2013 01:01pm

Let the brain work in true direction if I am not wrong, everyone's interpretations are true in their own sense of estimation about Pakistan, but in my view: In Pakistan we badly need a special envoy of psychoanalyst: "doctor's whose job is to talk to people about their feelings and help them to understand their behavior or solve their mental problems" just to enhance social norms to regard humanity.

Khurram
Aug 08, 2013 01:04pm

@Malik: It's another article that attempts to tell why Pakistan is in a state it is currently in.

ahmadbutt
Aug 08, 2013 01:14pm

For all those who are still blaming Zia ul Haq for all the current misery, please realise that there were 3 civilan government post Zia death, and after 2007 PPP regime for 5 years and PMLN is power now. This sorry excuse of blaming the dead has to go and someone has to step up and get things in order.Else the civilian government will go on their corruption and then wait for a 9pm PTV khabarnamay walla " Salam al akum meray aziz hum watanon" general to take over

stop communalism
Aug 08, 2013 01:47pm

Solution to stop communalism in Pakistan. 1) Make Pakistan constitution secular 2) Stop hate speeches given by religious clerics 3) prevent religious parties which is against secular constitution from contesting elections as is the case in Bangladesh.

stop communalism
Aug 08, 2013 02:47pm

Superb article,I feel more number of actors, musicians should become politicians because they are people of heart and they have less of bigotry and see thing through a clear colourless glass than painted glass.

Khalid
Aug 08, 2013 04:59pm

@Khalid M: I think you have said everything I wanted to say. The only thing I would add is that we have never provided our children with an environment where ALL religions (and sects) are RESPECTED. We do not teach our children to learn about all religions. We believe in "mine is better than yours" mentality and encourage it. I have lived in the UK for 26 years and not for one day did I feel that I am disadvantaged because of my religion. I wonder what my Christian, HIndu and Sikh brothers and sisters of Pakistan feel living in Pakistan, who are as much Pakistanis as anyone of us.

Ram
Aug 08, 2013 06:44pm

Please some one explain to me, If Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be secular then what was the difference between India where Muslims christians, sikhs and many other religions are living along with hindus which again has many sectors.

Pakistan was created based on Islam, However Ahamdis or Bengalis, Baluchs, Mohajirs were not considered Muslim enough?

However the truth is Pakistan was created by Nawabs and Zamindars who enjoyed wealth power during British Raj and used Jinnah and Islam to create a land where they could continue to rule.

Prem
Aug 08, 2013 07:03pm

Superb!!!! What a article!!! This article says every thing what Pakistan need at present.

Danish A.
Aug 08, 2013 07:43pm

@Ram: That's a common misunderstanding of Jinnah's motivation for Pakistan. He feared that in Hindustan, muslims will not be properly represented and may suffer as a result of misfortunes of the past or simple persecution for being a minority. Thus, Pakistan was a not to be a muslim state, but rather a place where muslims can practice their religions freely without fear of persecution. Of course the irony of the whole thing almost 70 years later is that, Pakistani minorities are subject to the same fate that Jinnah feared muslim minorities in India would be subject to. This includes minorities like myself: atheists, and others such as christians, agnostics, hindus, and even some small muslim sects. A true Pakistan is a secular state with freedom of religion for all.

Zohaab
Aug 08, 2013 08:23pm

@Ram, only comment that makes any sense. other than that this article has nothing new or meaningful in it.

Kalikamai
Aug 08, 2013 09:17pm

There has to be realisation that for a human to develop fully, he doesn't have to be following any religion. The creation of god is just to impart some sense of direction to the weak mind, however, no one is there to make the weak mind be free of any God. Maybe, we as so called humans are the snakes in disguise, who eats their own offsprings due to fear of them becoming this or that. It's time that weak minds should be given proper support so, at a later stage, they just have the ability to decide their own betterment to the best known knowledge.

immortal_soloist
Aug 08, 2013 11:21pm

@Ram: Actually ram if you read the book Jinnah and Tilak you would understand the creation of Pakistan. Jinnah initially did not want a separate state but when India did not encourage Muslims to be in the governance and did not give them equal rights,Jinnah demanded the formation of Pakistan.

It was certainly made on the ideology "As A Land For Muslims To Be Treated Fairly And In A Just Manner" but that did not mean that any of the minorities living there should be mistreated.

Pakistan is not following Jinnah's ideology at all in the present day,the land was made because Muslims were a minority in India and needed rights,if minorities in Pakistan are treated in a similar fashion like they had been in India in the past then what was the difference?

So one must understand the real purpose of the creation of Pakistan a land for Muslims majority with the proper and fair treatment of the minorities in the land as well.

“You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”Muhammad Ali Jinnah

Abdul Rahman
Aug 09, 2013 12:48am

@stop communalism: dream on.... how would you make Pakistan secular when over 90% population believe that the punishment of apostasy should be death?

DonaldH
Aug 09, 2013 01:23am

@HumanFirst: Indeed, I agree. Is it not very presumptuous persons who set who set themselves up as God's instrument for the destruction of their fellow man in the name of God? As if our Creator could not do for Himself in His own Name? Very presumptuous, indeed!

rocky
Aug 09, 2013 02:41am

@Ram: very true. i agree with u 100 %

abc
Aug 09, 2013 02:44am

@Syed Nazim: "India is secular where cow slaughter is banned and religious books are part of school curriculam". Yes, in India, cow slaughter is banned in many states. But, at the same time, NO RELIGIOUS BOOKS are part of school curriculam.

MM
Aug 09, 2013 06:07am

@Ram: My mother was 7 when she accidentally touched the Sari of her Brahmin teacher. The teacher went home in disgust to be "cleansed". There were numerous form of humiliations for non-Hindus at that time. Pakistan was created out of the fear of Hindu extremism and domination after the independence. It was India's good fortune that Nehru and his successors were able to keep the fanatics in check and bad fortune for us that we couldn't.

MM
Aug 09, 2013 07:13am

@Anoop: I have never heard of this speech. It is my experience that many Anti-Pakistani bloggers "create" quotes from thin air to further their agenda

Dinesh
Aug 09, 2013 08:33am

Like any other Indian I want Pakistan to be a stable state as that will help India focus more on its problems instead of focusing on its boarders. I agree "Pakistan was founded by people who believed in a more enlightened understanding of Islam" but they made Pakistan on very conservative rational. Do you see contradiction in their personal lives & believes and rational they gave for new nation formation? And when they got new nation on that logic - what would have stopped conservatives to take over this newly formed nation - after all they were stated reason for new nation ? Liberals Pakistanis often raise this topic but don't go to logical end as that may lead to challenging foundations of Nation. I think Pakistan need to be vocal about this contradiction and solve it somehow. When typically any Indian brings out this contradiction he may be accused of not accepting Pakistan but that is not the point. Pakistan is a reality and hope it becomes stable & prosperous reality. Looking from outside things look a bit more clear :)

Pramod
Aug 09, 2013 09:23am

@Krish Chennai: Brother perhaps he could not sing this song and writer could not even write it if they were in Pakistan.

Ben
Aug 09, 2013 09:26am

Pakistan a land from India, created for Muslims as Jinnah et. al. believed that Muslims can not live safely with Hindus. However millions of Muslims live a better lives in India than their fellow Muslims who parted away with Pakistan.Jinnah created a secular, democratic Pakistan however after the creation of Pakistan Jinnah was marginalized who died an unknown death. A conservative Islamic philosophy drove Pakistan into a Sectarian Islamic State where Christians, Hindus, Sikhs etc. have been denied with their basic Human Rights. What made Pakistan for such transformation ? Where these small minorities a threat to Pakistan or Islam ? Why the ideology of Jinnah been brutally slaughtered in his own home ? Has such fanatic ideas helped Pakistan with any mileage ? If yes ! My name is Inhumane !!!

Pramod
Aug 09, 2013 09:49am

@Muhammad Arif: As per Dr. Illahi Baksh, doctor of Muhammed Ali Jinnah in his last days Jinnah had realized it and said to him that Pakistan is biggest blunder of his life.

Ajeet
Aug 09, 2013 10:07am

Eid Mubarak.. Today is Eid and my cousin wished me in the morning though we both are are hindu. I felt very good. Happy Eid.

qamar1990
Aug 09, 2013 01:13pm

@Danish A.: pakistan is an islamic republic, if you dont like your situation, sell your property and move to india.

RIP
Aug 09, 2013 03:54pm

This is the kind of discussion that was taking place in the 16th century. The grand experiment has failed. Religion cannot be the basis of a modern state. Let's stop engaging in Middle Ages debates, and rejoin the modern world. Send religion back inside the homes, and the religious fanatics back to Saudi. As Malala said, " all it requires is one person to stand up and say NO."