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When one is sitting thousands of miles away from Pakistan, every horrifying story and news event come across as more malicious than ever. Perhaps, living in safer countries, where rights are mutually respected and accepted, puts things into clearer perspective. There are times when I want to question God about why I opened my eyes into a society where religion is taken as a point of differentiation? Why was I born in a country where religious places are bombed? Why was I made to be a part of a society in which people continue to disrespect and kill others who are diverse and different?

It is unfortunate that many amongst us continue to kill for religion, money and power, however, what is most unfortunate is that we have stopped paying respects to the dead as well. The desecration of an Ahmadi graveyard in Lahore is a prime example of the brutal death of Pakistan’s conscience.

Religious bigots who continue to consider themselves as saviors of the Muslim brotherhood fail to realise that desecrating graves is not exactly aligned with the teachings of Islam. What purpose does this grotesque act serve rather than further disrespecting the dead, lying six feet under the ground seeking the peace that they could not get in the sanctuary of their own country? Is it not enough that fanatics disallow the Ahmadi community to live peacefully in Pakistan, that now they must destroy their final resting places?

It is admonishable that the culprits were not even arrested for the repulsive acts that they have committed. Where were the law enforcing agencies and what happened to the caretakers of the graveyard? No matter what faith you belong to, it is impossible to not wonder about the families of the people whose graves were disrespected in the most obscene of ways. Most of us are nothing more than living corpses who neither feel nor understand the pain of hundreds of suffering non-Muslims and Muslim minorities living in Pakistan.

More tragic is the fact that our respected Chief Justice, the custodian of human rights, fails to take any action against the mistreatment of living — and now also dead — minorities. If there ever was a suo moto action to take against anything, it would be this.

Discouraged by the law and order situation and the ubiquity of religious fundamentalism in Pakistan, many Ahmadis have been forced to migrate to other countries in the hope of being treated on equal footings with other people in the society.

An Ahmadi who now lives in Toronto shared his views on the incident, on condition of anonymity, “I am not at all surprised to hear that the intolerance has penetrated so deeply into the roots of our society. How can you expect militants and fundamentalist to respect the people who have left this world for good when they do not feel any pain for people who are alive? My family left Pakistan in the early 1990s because we were literally hounded by clerics and people who supported them. We would receive threatening letters about how if we do not accept the ‘one and only true form of Islam’ we would be killed or worse, our daughters would be raped because according to them sexually assaulting an Ahmadi woman was not considered a crime.”

“Fundamentalists believe that we use excuses such as the one I just mentioned to seek asylum in foreign countries. That is certainly not the case. Nobody wants to leave their country and everything that they possess and start from scratch. But most of us are not left with any option,” he said, tears glistening in his eyes.

Neither any social class nor any age is taken into consideration when it comes to the persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan. Adults and children alike are mistreated for their differing religious beliefs. Workplaces, playgrounds and even schools are used as platforms to spread hatred about them. Educational institutes primarily top the list of miscreants who aim to indoctrinate young minds by filling them with hatred for anyone who does not conform to their religious standards.

Many Ahmadi students have been expelled from colleges and universities without any rhyme or reason whereas, others are abused with degrading and hurtful words. It is most ironic but when the entire world was filled with violence and disharmony over the Innocence of Muslims, a group of Ahmadi students was busy organising symposiums in Canadian universities to discourage violence by highlighting the aspects of the holy prophet and how the video was nothing but a way to instigate hatred and aggression. The symposium I attended was held at one of the local universities in the city of Windsor in Ontario. A lot of students showed up for it, some were Christians, many were Muslims and others were agnostic. Most of them came to hear about the life of one of the most revered personalities in Islam and left the auditorium with positive feelings about the religion and its followers.

For me, these students are the true saviors. They’re trying to abridge the communication gap between different communities by answering hundreds of questions which are important to address in order to build an inclusive society.

Societies which thrive on religious disharmony and bigotry perish sooner than later. It is time for us to wake up and safeguard the rights of religious minorities. It is time for us to hold their hands and stand in defiance to the fundamentalist elements who take advantage of our silence. It is indeed time to acknowledge their sacrifices and treat them with the respect that they truly deserve because their graves now seek answers.

 


Faiza Mirza
The writer is a Reporter at Dawn.com

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MAK
December 14, 2012 4:06 pm
Who are we to decide about the religous afinity of an individual? Who are we to label any person as a muslim or non-muslim ? and who the hell are we to deny any body, the right to live in Pakistan and practise what they believe in? For this reason alone many developed nations have been wiped out from the face of this world. We are the worst kind. We cannot live with Hindus, Jews, Christians,Budhists, Oh yes! we cannot even live with our own factions i.e Shia,Ahmadis,Sufis. Wake-up or get ready to be wiped-off.
KP
December 15, 2012 11:01 am
Until someone has to justify the "desecrating a grave is not exactly aligned with the teachings of Islam", these things will happen. A society can be considered developed only when basic decency is maintained irrespective of religious belief.
Khurram
December 14, 2012 5:39 pm
I don't know why you all are up to Pakistan....Pakistan will remain inshAllah don't worry "Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah" make it with the help of ALLAH and Million of Muslims all over the world who love Nabi Pak (PBUH).
Syed Zafar Ahmad
December 14, 2012 2:33 pm
Thanks for highlighting the atmosphere of hatred in Pakistan created in the name of a religion that stands for peace and submission to the will of Allah. Jazakallah for the write-up
Masood Baig
December 14, 2012 4:28 pm
Desecrating of graves is most barbaric and inhuman. Islam came into existence to prevent barbarism of preIslamic days. But in Pakistan it started just after partition. Not only Ahmedis being targetted shias and antitaliban Muslims are being killed. Before partition Hindus,Muslims belonging to all sects cohabitated peacefully. If Pakistan had not been created these inhuman crimes would not have been committed. People following any religion ,sect or creed are free to follow according to his concience and understanding and they are responsible to God. It appears that present law and order situation will lead to civil war""coming events cast their shadows before"- j
Shahzad
December 14, 2012 3:26 pm
Its the Mullah's pakistan !!!
Muhammad
December 15, 2012 12:01 pm
Do not leave any thing to hereafter; you need to solve the problems of this world, in this world.
Human
December 14, 2012 4:23 pm
I don't understand one thing, when the non muslims & minorities who are living in paksitan they will be not given equal rights & even some cases not treated as Humans. But when these militants and fundamentalists goes to other countries for better life asks for equal rights & some times teaches others to change their life style & religion..... Thats funny......... Be the change before you aks the change.............
sri1ram
December 15, 2012 12:39 pm
Hmmm, really heart warming that those Ahmadi students are so forgiving and work for interfaith harmony in spite of so much violence and discrimination from all mainstream Muslims - explaining the good teachings of Muhammad (pbuh) to one and all. It reminds one of Gandhi's turning the other cheek. But then "turning the other cheek" works on people who have some conscience or humanity and are not brainwashed by a blind interpretation of faith. But how long can minorities like Shia, Hazara, Ahmadis, Christians, Hindus take it - till they all die or migrate - so that the silent majority turns to yet another demon remaining in their midst. Make you really wonder, is there a God?
JP Singh
December 14, 2012 2:48 pm
The issue of Ahmadi, Hindus, Christians in Pakistan just goes on to show the unsecular side of Pakistan. How many faces does Pakistan have? There is terrorism, sectarian violence, violence against women, violence against children. The people of Pakistan must understand that they can no longer isolate themselves and blame these happenings on radicals or Taliban and so on. The world refuses to accept that story any longer. The whole issue is an issue of human rights which minorities are being denied. It shows Islam in bad light and the beliefs of the people across the world strengthen day by day that Islam is an intolerant religion. It appears that Pakistan is tripping on fault after fault. A legacy created by the faulty vision of Pakistan created by a mess of leaders both military and non military. Today it is becoming hard for Pakistan to sell itself on any stage or forum. People across the world are refusing to accept any excuse or reason for the state of affairs. Imagine -- “our daughters would be raped because according to them sexually assaulting an Ahmadi woman was not considered a crime” – if the people of other religions where they are in majority applied the same principle to muslim women. Is this acceptable to the mad mullahs and their followers? It’s sickening! Religion is in the hands of goons and if the people accept that then there is no salvation and they will be seen by the rest of the world in the same light. It’s is difficult to see saner voices prevail in Pakistan. When you create a culture of Guns, Violence and Fundamentalism you are in a dead end alley. As the say goes – “you live by the sword and die by the sword”
Hasnain Haque
December 15, 2012 7:35 am
Mak you are so right, these bigots wont even be able to live with their own families because of their backward minds.
Parvez Hamid
December 16, 2012 1:43 pm
Hatred driven by fanatics in Pakistan will destroy the country. Only if these fanatics actually understood and followed the example of Muhammad (PBUH) we could actually call them Muslims. They kill indiscriminately men, women and children. They cause much pain to the masses and cause division by use of manipulating ignorance of our young and old and the brutal force of the gun. Preachings of hatred need to stop immediately and follow the True Religion of Islam that preaches Equality and Peace and gives rights to minorities so they can live amongst us in security.
Avtar
December 15, 2012 8:20 am
just your current Pakistan! Perhaps you are living somewhere abroad. You have not grasped the whole point of the article.
Rajan
December 15, 2012 8:22 am
I salute the brave words from your beautiful mind. Personalities like You at our neighborhood provides us some ray of hope..
Khurram
December 15, 2012 7:59 am
Yes that dream is more beautiful that's why millions of Muslim lost their lives during the great migration & still giving their lives for this beautiful homeland Pakistan.
cdeeky
December 16, 2012 1:22 pm
By not following a God one becomes Atheist. Are you referring to Atheism. In order to know more about Atheism please click the following link: http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=212&Itemid=186 Hope you will find a correct response. Regards Dr. Saleem Siddiqi
Khurram
December 15, 2012 7:55 am
Did you accept the reality??? That’s the problem we don't believe in Pakistan all we are doing is wrong partition wrong idea wrong people ... did you remember the millions of Muslim lost their lives during migration.... I don't know what reality you want Pakistan or me to face???
Soraiya
December 17, 2012 3:39 am
Lies and more lies to make it convenient to live under denial.It is lies and conspiracy theories that have killed the conscience of society.If you run away from the truth the suffering will continue for generations to come .The Pakistani society has lost it's moral fabric and the holier than thou attitude based on the length of a beard will lead to a total destruction of society. Christianity came out of the dark ages and the followers of Islam once considered a modern religion have raced to the past.
Asad
December 15, 2012 5:56 pm
what if this act was a part of satanism ?
akhter husain
December 16, 2012 12:41 pm
You are right but he also did not create Pakistan to be ruled by minorities.and enslave the majority.
Nabi baloch
December 14, 2012 10:27 pm
Really
akhter husain
December 16, 2012 12:44 pm
Weaker has to make room for stronger.Just read the history of the world ,specially that of Afghanistan
raghu
December 15, 2012 8:44 am
pakistan ka matlab kya hai ? implement sharia exactly the way it is mentioned in koran and the ill's which plague the islamic societies will dissappear in no time .
Haris
December 15, 2012 8:51 am
Dear Faiza Mirza there is no God. Sincerely
gir na
December 15, 2012 8:52 am
Dear Faiza Mirza "Religious bigots who continue to consider themselves as saviors of the Muslim brotherhood fail to realise that desecrating graves is not exactly aligned with the teachings of Islam" --Could you please explain us what exactly are the teachings of Islam and the places where it's being followed?As a logical person me and many like me need these answer .If you can't give us the instances , then you shouldn't iterate these words like others . You mentioned about plight of Ahmadis in Pakistan , but my dear Faiza , this is not limited to only Pakistan or Core Islamic countries(Arabian countries). These things happen in Indonesia with Ahamdis also, Please keep in mind that Indonesia is an Islam influenced country , not a age old Islamic country from birth.Whom should I blame in this case , culture& people of a country or the ideology ?Islamic countries divided among each other in such a manner that , they call Saudi a Sunni Wahhabi strong hold and Iran a Shia strong hold and many wars were due to these reasons.During Islamic revolution , Iranian leaders who call themselves Ayatollahs butchered Zoroastrians and drove them out of country , but they still have pride for great Darius, a Zoroastrian . Same thing happened in Egypt also, once a rich country of pharaohs , now a rouge country . Logical persons like me blame it on Ideology , which changed everything .Excuse me Faiza If I was too harsh , but I represented only facts and correct me If i am wrong.
Adnan
December 15, 2012 10:38 am
i never said they should be EXPELLED , if you think they (ahmadis) can live freely in pakistan you need to get your head examined .. people refuse to sit with them eat with them even talk to them .. why should anyone have to put up with all that? Sadly no one in pakistan understands what religious tolerance and peace is .. If you think you do go out and try telling people we should let go of this ignorant , name calling attitude and listen to what the ahmadis have to say and let them live and practice peacefully .. you wont last very long
Arsalan Usmani
December 16, 2012 11:25 am
No one knows the other side of the story. As You can see from the picture the headstone of some of the graves are taken out and the graves are are left as it is, so my point is what exactly was written on the headstone, if qadyannis are calling themselves Muslim even if its written on the headstone of the grave, then it is in the constitution of Pakistan that they have been declared as non Muslims and they are bind to follow the law of land where these graves are situated and what picture clearly depicts is some of the headstones are removed. That might have been done according to the law and by law enforcing agencies. That has nothing to do with majority of Muslims (Sunni) that resides in the country, do stop blaming them.
Umair
December 15, 2012 6:16 pm
wannabe intellect
Tahir
December 14, 2012 11:29 am
Beautifully expressed. But will it make any sense or difference to the culprits and bigots? And let us not put the blame on Talibans or the Military dictators for not giving us enough democratic space in the past for our ills to be corrected in religious matters. It is simply the Mullahs who have bullied their way through and are now unstoppable and out of control.
Khurram
December 15, 2012 7:49 am
Thank you waqar :)
Ram Mohan sharma
December 17, 2012 3:07 am
We all are eagerly waiting to see Equality and Peace in the Islamic countries , where all humans are treated equal irrespective of their faith.
E Mofitt
December 15, 2012 4:14 pm
Peaceful existence is a Pipe Dream.
akhter husain
December 16, 2012 1:18 pm
It is a political slogan of defeated mind Pakistan should not be equated with.La-Illaha- Illallah as God has no equal and none can be like Allah.
Hasnain Haque
December 15, 2012 7:15 am
Mosques are being controlled by misinformed, uneducated bigots who spread hatred. Of course mosques are playing a big part in this, these are not places of worship, they are establishments of hate and violence
Hasnain Haque
December 15, 2012 7:22 am
Masood what makes you a better muslim than others, why do you think your version of Islam is better than others, are you god, why do you judge others, will you be asking the questions on judgement day, NO
Hasnain Haque
December 15, 2012 7:18 am
You are right but unfortunately Pakistan is so full of bigots that it has no hope of recovering.
rizvi
December 15, 2012 9:19 am
We are not human even
Khurram
December 14, 2012 5:30 pm
Why you are blaming Pakistan??? The creation of Pakistan is one of the beautiful thing happens to Muslims go and ask true Muslim all over the world. @ Masood Baig (just)
AHA
December 16, 2012 12:34 pm
Haris - How did the Big Bang happen?
Mashhood
December 17, 2012 5:52 am
Unbeleiveable comment! if you see with your open eyes for all such issues, root is one. Its all about dirty politics to use name of Islam. Declaring Ahamis non muslims was nothing but a political step of bhutto, which he must be regretting at the time when he was in jail in his last days. Ahmadis were in the front line to make Pakistan but how would you know as Pakistan's history is totally corrupt. I would suggest read history about Pakistan written outside of Pakistan.
Tariq
December 15, 2012 7:05 pm
Wahid sahib, do you know the history or just shooting with out any knowledge or the sermons from twisted history??
Ahmadi
December 15, 2012 2:26 pm
see people saying "Qadiyanis should not be allowed to live in Pakistan".. Have u guys ever read your history books? Who did Jinnah choose as his Foreign Minister? Who brought Jinnah back to India after he had retired to London? Who is the only general in Pakistan who has been injured in active war duty? Who was the only Pakistani to become the President of the International Court of Justice? Who was the Ahmadi in 1930 who headed the All India Kashmir Committee for the cause of the Kashmiri people? Which community just at the beginning of partition made a force to secure Pakistan's frontiers. e.g. Read Furqan Force? Who was the president of the All India Muslim League in 1931? e.g Read Sir Zarfarullah Khan.. Who was the first Nobel Laureate of Pakistan?? Who is the youngest girl to pass her O levels in Pakistan right now?? You shameless people don't even think before speaking.. Did u know that the ancestors of todays Mullah the Ahraris and the Jamaat-i-Islami used to call Quaid-e-Azam Kaffar-e-Azam? I'm very sorry to say but who are you to decide who should live in Pakistan or not?? The entire Ahmadiyya Community suffered a lot for the sake of Pakistan. The majority of the members migrated to Pakistan following their Khalifa.. Every Ahmadi voted for the Muslim League, whereas the Maudoodi and Ahrari parties vehemently opposed the ideology of Pakistan.. And You have the audacity and the moral character to ask us to leave Pakistan?? Ahmadis will live in Pakistan as long as they want, we created this country we are here to stay.. Do whatever you want.. Shame on those who condemn in these words "We condemn this act but do u know who Qadianis are?".. Please don't condemn this act, we know in your heart you'll always come up with an excuse to persecute Ahmadi and everytime an Ahmadi is matyred or persecuted, you always bring your "ifs" and "buts".. We don't need such people to condemn.. We have our Allah to protect us and our lives and our beliefs.. Thank you very much!
roquefort
December 15, 2012 4:05 pm
Totally agree, u pick the events in the history all blood shed in the name of religion n now too all fuss is about religion .Heaven n Hell is right here. In my personal experience i find Pakistanis the most intolerant society in all aspects though 20-30 years ago the things were different.All debates revolve around religion ,culture ,gairat etc.Zero rationalism!
Jawwad
December 15, 2012 3:57 pm
Don't let these fools in on the secret.
E Mofitt
December 15, 2012 4:13 pm
Graves of Muslims are being desecrated routinely through out US without any arrest. I condemn what happened in lahore, but this is a worldwide problem, and we Pakistani's are part of this world. Peaceful existence is just a "theory", It is never going to happen period.
kamaljit Singh
December 15, 2012 4:44 pm
You are right Zafar but we need religion named as Humanism and no other brand.The so called religions have killed more people than the atom bombs or bombs of any other kind, let not the street smart give us sermons in temples or mosques or gurdwaras.Silent majority must speak up.
john
December 15, 2012 4:59 pm
This is a conspiracy by external forces to defame Pakistan. No Pakistani could have done such an act. Hindus, Jews and Christians, however, are fully capable of such cruel deeds.
saqib
December 16, 2012 9:26 pm
This is a true example of might is right in a society where think tanks are peoples from Jamat Islami etc. Making and enforcing laws whatever they like for minorities. We need new generation of open minded peoples for better tolerance in society but it may be too late then?
Hasnain Haque
December 15, 2012 7:03 am
I am simply astonished at some of the comments being made which just shows how bigoted and misinformed Pakistanis have become.There is absolutely no justification, ryme or reason for such acts or persecution of any sections of the society. However, Pakistan is rife with brutal acts of terrorism, persecution, mistreatment and bigotry. Pakistan has fast returning to the dark ages but unfortunately the Pakistanis are oblivious to it. I was unfortunate enough to have been born in Pakistan and I am ashamed of it. All those Paksitanis who try and justify and give reasons for brutal acts are cavemen living in a different, they need to wake up to realities of life and understand that the world has moved on. It is not for individuals or groups to decide who is a good muslim or not, the god will be the judge of this.
Muhammad
December 15, 2012 11:56 am
Tolerance means that atheists must also be tolerated. None of us can prove that he is right - it is just a matter of belief. Believe what you want, but keep it to yourself. We don't know what all this is!!!!
NASAH (USA)
December 15, 2012 11:50 am
Mohamed Ali Jinnah did not create Pakistan for the Muslims to enslave the minorities
getmaryam
December 14, 2012 8:00 pm
Your english clearly shows your lack of understandibilty. For your information they were buried in their OWN graveyard. If you cannot let them live in peace above ground then atleast let them rest in peace six feet under...!! What's bugging you that they will start preaching their neighbour graves...??
Pendoo
December 15, 2012 6:02 pm
Certainly, ignorance has no limits. Inception of Ahmadies did not start in Pakistan. Majority migrated from India during partition, and contributed immensely in building a separate homeland for Muslims. When constitution of the country bars them from religious practices, how can you call this 'tolerance'? For your information, there is more anti-Ahmadiyya hate literature available in Pakistan than pro-Ahmadiyya literature. If you follow media, the so called Ulema openly call for killing of Ahmadies. This is the kind of media control Ahmadies have in Pakistan. When writing something like this, please provide examples instead of statements so that people can distinguish lies from truth. Thank you!
Khalid
December 15, 2012 6:27 pm
Dear Zafar, I couldnt agree more with what you have written and couldnt have put it any better myself. If you are a follower of Richard Dawkins, well done. If not, you should read his book the God delusion ASAP. You would know that you are not alone in your thinking. I am certainly with you on this one...
Arif
December 15, 2012 6:52 pm
I doubt there much conscience left in the "land of the pure"
samir
December 14, 2012 5:57 pm
your loveaffair/hangover with the shamefull past will never ever end. Even after having witnessed the product of the partition.. and the land of virgins that you have got today.. you still wont accept the reality.
Mustafa Razavi
December 15, 2012 6:22 pm
I believe you are not being truthful, you are not curious, you have an answer in your mind. Mind is like a parachute, when closed, you arrive at the conclusion very quickly.
observer
December 14, 2012 5:30 pm
He is busy in serving suo moto notices of contempt of court. He like to do that.
Pramod
December 18, 2012 6:39 am
Muslim in West and in many other non Muslim country are staying happily and prospering,They are free to preach their religion. It's People like you and behavior with minorities in Pakistan and many other Muslim countries which makes non Muslim think whehter Muslim in their neighbour hood deserve to be treated well. Is he really as geniune person as he shows off or he is pretending because he is in minority. Sorry to say, Muslims world are only responsible for giving bad name to their religion by their deeds.
Bamboo@gmail.com
December 17, 2012 4:26 pm
any Mullah who deliver hate speechs Should be flogged in open public.
Zafar Malik
December 14, 2012 7:56 pm
I don't understand why people need religion??? we can live much better lives without religion. It kills human intellect and turn us into zombies like the Taliban. One day when humanity will be finally liberated from the shackles of religion, a new era of wisdom, compassion and rationalism will begin
Muhammad
December 15, 2012 11:37 am
Well said. I will remember your words for a long time.
getmaryam
December 15, 2012 4:48 am
It seems you're insane when above comments have explicitly mentioned that it was their OWN graveyard...They get buried in their own surrounding as per their norms and rules....
masood
December 15, 2012 2:32 am
first of all they should be called qadianies and not ahmedies--secondly if they donot try to cheat "simple people" like the writer that they in any way are muslims things would remain under control. it only gets a reaction when they openly start propogating against islam.
Laeeq,NY
December 19, 2012 1:34 am
I never heard that Muslim graves are desecrated in the United States but vandalism do happen with Jewish graves..You need to correct your facts and figures.
wahid
December 15, 2012 1:25 am
Such acts are pure evil irrespective of the perpetrators and the victims.But Ahmedis may have a lot to answer for their political actions and conspiracies hatched against the Muslims in general and Pakistan in particular.For instance role played by Sir Zafarullah Khan and Mr M.M.Ahmed in the history of Pakistan.However,it is imperative that for minorities to be respected and guaranteed fundamental human rights they in turn respect the law and the constitution of their country and remain faithful and sincere to other sections of society.All segments of society must remember that an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind
Aslam
December 15, 2012 1:19 am
I couldn't agree more. Very well said.
Aslam
December 15, 2012 1:16 am
You are delusional.
Masood Baig
December 14, 2012 4:38 pm
"If Pakistan had not been created these crimes would not have been committed"
Abbasi
December 14, 2012 11:52 pm
Thank you for the showing the ugly side of life BUT the way the media strength is used is just ironic. Graves are damaged in all countries but never a religious tones used in such a way so as to portray the whole process as a peace loving community being cornered but thugs. I do agree damaging graves is not acceptable but again you try having a grave yard in their backyard and see what they do. As for the other part of your story on symposium, its not only them doing these symposiums but a lot of other nations and religions have such activities even those whole kill people in Pakistan with their drones, so what does these symposiums mean? Are they trying to tell the world that they are the peaceful element, they are the victims ? For the third element you mention, the immigration, its a joke. Western nations give them asylum so they can use it against any country. These have to portray themselves as victims because they have financial motive. You try flying over America ( not to America) airlines need clearance but they are paid stipends, scholarships, privilages open and hidden benefits and they are using this money to buy your property and create inflation (they are not they only cause but one of them) and buy media services to help their cause. At the end of the day its not commendable what has happened but you reporting seems uni-focal and thus fails to stop the hatred, rather fueling it. These reporting warrants self censorship which is missing unless you are one of them or their accessory or naive.
KHAN
December 14, 2012 11:43 pm
NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DECIDE ABOUT OTHERS BELIEF.ITS GOOD TO HAVE DISCUSSION,AND LISTEN TO OTHERS INTERPRETATION.LET EVERYBODY THINK ,READ ,SEE AND DECIDE.THAT TIME IS GONE,WHEN THEY USED TO KILL THAT PERSON,WHO HAD DIFFERENT OPINION.ITS IS TIME OF SCIENCE,REASONING AND TECHNOLOGY.YOU DO ,WHATEVER YOU THINK IS RIGHT.AND LET ME DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT.AND LET GOD DECIDE ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT.
Parvez Hamid
December 16, 2012 2:05 pm
Further if anyone says there are external forces defaming Pakistan, I agree there are and they will take advantage as we are corrupt. The army, police, politicians, the fanatic, the public are our own brothers and sisters who need to be taught the True Meaning of Islam as the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) lived and left us the teachings of Equality and Peace.
Bakhtawer Bilal
December 14, 2012 3:42 pm
First of all, Thank You for the true and rational words. When ever such an incident takes place, we the self appointed righteous persons speak up. We always say that Islam is a peaceful religion and that these extremists are misusing the religion. We almost never hear "ANY" religious scholar or leader denounce it vehemently. It is always liberals who are trying to tell the world that the this and that action is not real Islam. As none of the religious authority ever comes up denouncing it, leads me to another conclusion. Islam may not be that peaceful. May be we are condemning the acts of terrorists through our wishful vision. If majority of us who think that Islam is being misrepresented then do not care for your life, come out and expose the lies around you. In your society, in your family, in your class room. Otherwise vouch for a secular Pakistan. That being the only viable solution.
ahmed41
December 16, 2012 10:12 am
Zafar ji, you are right. But in the brain of every human being there is a GOD-SPOT. So man creates a GOD because he is hard-wired genetically by the God-spot to produce religion and belief systems. The thing is one can have a decent religion and a humane faith.
Tamilslevan
December 14, 2012 9:39 pm
Th world is still searching for the true Muslim. Sorry, we have not found any who behaves as Allah has preached
Malone
December 14, 2012 9:22 pm
Ahmedis are the exact equivalents of Mormons in American Christianity. Mormonism dates back to the 19th century, with Joseph Smith as their prophet. Their church also believes that tthere were many Latter Day Saints. It is therefore of interest that even though most American Christians would be against Mormonism, Mitt Romney's running for US President did not create much of a commotion. Probably something to be said for secularism?
pathanoo
December 14, 2012 9:22 pm
Oh! Really Khurram? How happy are you? And, are you still in Pakistan or safely tooting from a safe heaven in the West?
Dr. Boodhun
December 14, 2012 6:27 pm
There is no limit to evil by a government and its like minded Mullahs, when it is done in the name of religion.
pathanoo
December 14, 2012 9:20 pm
God Bless you, Faiza Mirza. You are one of the sane and fair minority that is the last flickering light and hope of Paksitan.
Arsalan Usmani
December 14, 2012 9:14 pm
People of Pakistan has tolerated other sects and religions so much that one might be able to see all the sects of Islam (other than sunni) and other religions living in one country. Ahamdis wouldn't have existed any where in the world, if Pakistan wouldn't have tolerate them because there inception took place only here in Pakistan. Its time for the ahmadis to realize that they are bind to the law of the land because if they cross it, there will be a reaction and stop portraying ahmadis as oppressed, one can write a whole book on how cunning an ahamdis are in spreading the lies and controlling the media.
ahmed41
December 16, 2012 10:08 am
Maybe~~~& maybe not . But the mind of man & human society seem to need a better ideal of God.
Hamud
December 15, 2012 6:13 am
Its not really matters that it originate from where.... Its common and prevalent mindsets who act of their intolerant ideas and behaviours. Pathetic societal trends.
Akram
December 17, 2012 10:20 am
The author missed out the Ahmadiyaa community's contribution to the creation of Pakistan. Compare and contrast with the Mullahs who referred to Quaid-e-Azam as Kaffir-e-azam, and opposed his every move. As a Sunni Hanafi myself, the Mullahs have had far too much say, and its time we put this genie back into its box. In order to do this the public must be made aware of the contradictions and hypocrisy in the arguments led by the fundamentalists. One day they will be found out, lets bring that day closer
Akram
December 17, 2012 10:28 am
you have just made a huge leap from belief in one god, to rule by one particular interpretation of Sharia. I would suggest you read something of what the founders like Jinnah believed rather than simply extrapolate the workings of a nation from a slogan! This is exactly why Pakistan is in such a mess.
Faisal
December 14, 2012 8:36 pm
If there would be no human beings, these crimes would not have been committed.
Tahir Chaudhry
December 14, 2012 8:30 pm
Mr. Akbar, This a separate grave yard. Your negativity is the cause of all this Mess. Grow up......
AHA
December 14, 2012 7:21 pm
Inshallahs do not get you anywhere. Wait a minute, they actually get you somewhere. They have got us to where we are now.
Akram
December 17, 2012 10:38 am
actually if you check your facts, two thirds of the Muslim india 'left'.
Akram
December 17, 2012 10:41 am
completely agree, people who see problems in Pakistan today have not bothered to see what the problems were before Pakistan was created.
Adnan
December 14, 2012 6:38 pm
these people cant even complain cuz for some reason everyone wants them dead .. they should be given a seperate piece of land so they can live their lives peacefully .. same goes for the shias ..
Joe Smith
December 14, 2012 6:38 pm
Religion is the problem as much as religious people will argue on how wonderful it is. Educated people in the US and Europe tend to be atheists. Silicon Valley is filled with atheists.
Nasir khan
December 14, 2012 6:05 pm
While I understand, these things unfortunately do happen in an illitrate and fundamentalist society like ours in Pakisatan. But the Irony of the matter is where is the Chief Justice of Pakistan?, Where is the President of Pakistan?, Where is the Primier of Pakistan?, Where is the interior Minister of Pakistan?, Where is the Chief Minister of Punjab? and where is the IG police of Punjab? Why have we not heard any thing from either of them? May I remind them, though you have an option to turn your eyes, closed your ears, and zip your lips against this heinous crime committed, while you being in power. But rest assure you will be held responsible and will be made to speak and pay the price not only in this world one day, but also in the world hereafter one day, for your being unmoved.
Khan Baba
December 17, 2012 4:28 am
You are in denial my friend. We are a nation full of shocking people. God bless you nad our beloved Pakistan.
Imran
December 15, 2012 2:55 am
Which world are you living in wahid? What do Ahmadis have to answer for? How many Ahmadis have been involved in perpetrating terrorism, organised crime or plots against Pakistan....? And even if I accept your biased statements about Sir Zafarullah Khan and Mr M.M.Ahmed, why do you think a whole community should suffer for the 'role played' by two people? Would you put your head on the block because someone in your street comitted a murder? And btw, please do give me the names and achievements of any civil servants and politicians (other than Jinnah) that you consider to be examplary. I just want to know your barometer of judging people's services for Pakistan.
akil akhtar
December 16, 2012 10:45 pm
Our so called intellectuals have chosen the easy path of demonising Pakistan rather than stand up and defend it in the face of all the problems and aggression from within and without. A single person could have done this but they try to paint the whole nation as intolerant. These things happen to muslims also in the west but no tries to make a mountain out of a mole hill.......
greatiamtoo
December 17, 2012 6:16 am
Never chase a man into his grave.
Planettrekker
December 14, 2012 7:53 pm
Unless muslims reform from within the Islamic world will continue to live in turmoil, instability, disrepute, and violence, Will an Islamic Luther, Gandhi, Mandela, or Dalai Lama ever arise? Time will tell. Till then, Muslims will unfortunately be considered the world's pariahs and their religion the spawn of the devil. Time for moderate Muslims to stop this homegrown, self-made madness.
Waqar
December 14, 2012 7:53 pm
Actually you could not be more. Creation of Pakistan was one of the best political maneuvers undertaken in the Indian subcontinent. Minority Muslims would NEVER have been able to have their demands met, infact they were in for a systemic payback for 1500 years of Muslim emperor's suppression of rights of Hindus and Sikhs. Pakistan has huge problems stemming from corruption , lack of long term planning and inadequate spending in the social sector (giving rise to schools of hate and extremism) but CREATION of Pakistan was absolutely the best thing to have happened to all of us in this country.
getmaryam
December 14, 2012 7:52 pm
Your english clearly shows your lack of understandibility. For your information they were buried in their OWN graveyard. If you cannot let them live in peace above ground then atleast let them rest in peace six feet under...! What's bugging you that they'll preach their neighbouring graves...???
gu44ATHER
December 14, 2012 4:57 pm
yes, i can tell you:Ahmadis believe in Ghulam Ahmad as Rasool ul Allah againt the Quarnic revelations about finality of the Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him)as well as Traditions of the Holy Prophet and IJMA of mainstream ulema-shia and sunni both.Just read verse no 4 of sura al baqra(chapter 2 )which says that those who believe in the revelations inspired in Muhammad and those sent before HIM.This theme is repeatedly mentioned in sura al imran, sura nisa, sura maida and many other suras of the HOLY QURAN.It is nowhere mentioned in the Quran that there will be another messenger after MUhammad (saw).Therefore, according to explicit verses of the Holy Quran and sayings of the Holy messenger Muhammad (saw) the belief in another messsenger is infidelity.Therefore, qadyanis are no doubt non -MUSLIMS.However,being follower of the last prophet i do not approve of violance againt them.
LarryAt27N
December 15, 2012 3:31 am
I'm truly curious; how much of the hatred and incitement originates in mosques?
Khizr
December 17, 2012 5:04 am
The law of the land that marginalize minorities, makes them feel inferior and takes no heed to their suffering cannot be called islamic. It is nobody's business to act on behalf of God to determine who is right and who is wrong and to punish them for their beliefs.
Imran
December 15, 2012 3:06 am
Were people in graves propogating against Islam?
safdar
December 14, 2012 6:03 pm
what do you mean muslim minorities madam?
Babar
December 17, 2012 7:05 am
Arsalan, you are a strange creature!!! How can any law of the land dictate how Ahmadies should practse their religon. Just as you believe that your religon was from God so so Ahmadies. Just because you are more in number in Pakistan doesn't mean you can hurt the sentiments of the minorities. Otherwise the pwoerful of the world will do the same thing to Muslims. Actally they are already doing it!!! But they have learned from idiots like you!!! The law of the land was man made and written by the most vile person who had ever ruled Pakistan. ia Ul Haq and Allah destroyed him completly. And as far as Bhutto is concerend his off springs are totally eleiminated so that A "Zardari" has to pose as a "bhutto". And you stil do not learn!!!
Waqas
December 15, 2012 12:07 am
Keep dreaming!!
cdeeky
December 15, 2012 3:45 am
When Qadianis are declared non-Muslims by virtue of Constitution of Pakistan, why they intentionally bury them in Muslim Graveyard. No sane Muslim will tolerate a non-Muslim is being buried along with their next of Muslim kin. If Qadianis don't like Pakistan, they must keep leaving it or if they want to live here peacefully they must behave and live according to laid down rules and norms. Regards.
Manzoor Ahmed
December 17, 2012 12:00 am
To Arsalan Usmani Our problem is that we are living in a state of constant denial. All our problems are attributed to others. The sad thing is we don't want to get out of this situation, only lip service. Unless, we start identifying the problems we cannot develop a mindset to find solutions. If the majority choose to ignore and keep silent on such blatant acts of hate, prejudice and violence, they are equally responsible. If there was anything against the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, courts should have directed the law enforcement agencies to act. And that requires giving notice before taking any action. What about the hapless custodian of graveyard and his family? Why were they beaten, harassed and tied up? Who had given the authority to those religious bigots to consider themselves as saviors of the Muslim brotherhood?
Sanjay
December 15, 2012 12:24 am
Don't blame creation of pak but blame the path of hate education is to be blame and if it is not created the hate education system come
really upset
December 14, 2012 2:31 pm
There are two axis of evil, Saudi Arabia and Israel, Saudi Arabia for its fanatic tribalism that has poisoned the world peace and destroyed Muslims. These hypocrites gave us terrorists and suicide bombers... and Israel for having no humanity in their soul... both nations and their philosophies are anti humanity and peace and the world needs to objectively see their behavior.....
Brizmohan
December 14, 2012 4:42 pm
The best thing that Indian Muslims did was they did not crossover to the "land of pure" in the Autumn of 1947.The scale and magnitude of hate and intolerance practised in contemporary Pakistan is nowhere in India, though it is not altogether immuned .
faisal
December 14, 2012 6:13 pm
Oh, be careful, you don't want a suo moto notice in your name.
Imran
December 15, 2012 3:02 am
and Hindus and Christians and Sikhs, Sufis, Deobandis, Brelvis....... right Adnan? Even if we divide the world in 2 parts - one for muslims and other for non-muslims - people like you would keep on expelling others from your muslim world because they didnt agree with over a trivial thing until you'd be all alone. And even then you wont live your live peacefully because you dont understand the meaning of tolerance and peace.
Naeem Bajwa
December 15, 2012 4:15 am
Zafar, Its not the fault of the relegion, it is the people and their evil motives who are to be blamed. If you remove relegion such poeple will something else as an excuse and do the same thing.
AHA
December 15, 2012 12:10 am
Ask the Bangladeshis who lived through the 1971 experience.
Mukesh
December 14, 2012 4:11 pm
I used to admire the CJ of Pakistan but it appears to me that he just take suo-moto notices of events of his choice. I never heared that he has taken one that supports minorities such as forced conersions, descereation of graves etc - well.. is he afraid to server justice to all including minorities?
shame
December 14, 2012 2:04 pm
Do you remember "Ibne Qumta" ?
chaman
December 18, 2012 2:27 am
sattire??
adam india
December 14, 2012 3:12 pm
inhuman attitude ; come on this is too bad cant imagine
Khurram
December 14, 2012 5:34 pm
Its the Pakistan of "Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah" & inshALLAH morning will be there soon and inshALLAH it will remain "Qauid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah" Pakistan
Akhlesh
December 14, 2012 2:07 pm
I feel so very sorry for the Ahmadis, who are so badly persecuted in Pakistan. I also recall that a very large fraction of Ahmadis were unwilling to live in a secular India and had actively espoused a "Muslim" Pakistan. Ironic, isn't it?
Naseer
December 14, 2012 2:14 pm
It is a shame and gives a bad name to Islam and Muslims. Taliban intolerance and sense of righteousness makes them the greatest threat to Pakistan and to Islam
rich
December 14, 2012 2:25 pm
well written but i have a few points when pakistn was established a ahamdi were in top position in the govt, i guess in law ministry, foreign affair ect ect, but they never spoke against discrmination of other minorities esp hindus they were vilified even in text books my point being , in nazi germany a persom waiting in a death cell wrote these words first they came for the jews, i kept quite was not my affair then they came for the gypsies then they came for the deviant (gays ect) then they came for the commies still i kept quite now i can hear them comming for mr if i had spoken when they first came for the jews maybe i would not be waiting here in pakistn first they came foe the hindus then the ahmedis then the christian then its was the shia now the sunnis are turning against each other deobandi/sufi/salafi ect ect even the shia targeted the ahmadies, and now they are on target even now everybody should stand up and be counted, consider the ahmadies muslim, change the law, think shia are also main stream ect ect Richie Mumbai
akbar
December 14, 2012 3:37 pm
why qadianee burry their dead at Muslim cemeteries i cant understand. why qadianee dont listen to their own prophet who has forbidden interaction between ahmadi and non ahamdi such as, praying behind a muslims and also funeral prayers of a muslim is prohibited in qadianee religion. why they insist on burying their daed in Muslim cemetery?
Melwyn Dcosta
December 14, 2012 3:04 pm
Arent Ahmdis Muslims? I am from India and came across this article and was very surprised. I thought this hate was reserved only for Indians????Whats reason on why ahmadis are hated so much. This is newssss to many of us
Pete
December 14, 2012 11:23 am
Good job Faiza! You should write in Urdu to reach more than just Keyboard Cowboys.
Max
December 14, 2012 11:31 am
Can someone tell me who are Ahmadis and how are they different from the mainstream shia/sunni muslims?thx
BRR
December 14, 2012 3:33 pm
When living people are being killed for being minorities, why should it surprise anyone that the dead are easy targets of hatred? When militants killed hindus, sikhs and christians, very few Pakistanis cared or were sympathetic. When muslims seperated from India, the Ahmedias were in the forefront. The Ahmedias could not countenance living with hindus. When Ahmedias were targeted, Shia themselves were happy and eagerly participated. When the Shia are now targeted, the Sunni Taliban types are happy. It is the inevitable outcome of hatred and bigotry propagated from day one.
cdeeky
December 14, 2012 2:00 pm
There are some extremist who could be blamed for one off incident but on the whole, things are not as bad as the writer has stated. One of the reasons of spilling beans and honking so loudly just because, it becomes easier for an Ahamadi to either get a Green Card or neutralization in any other Foreign Country. If Ahamadis who have been termed officially as "non-Muslims" want to migrate to any other country, they can do so anytime without so much drum beating. Regards Dr. Saleem Siddiqi
Maryam
December 14, 2012 11:36 am
Desecrating graves is disgusitng act and no action against the culprits means justice delayed is justice denied.
Tahir Chaudhry
December 14, 2012 2:34 pm
This tragedy can only happen in Pakistan. The land of religious bigots and people without Conscience. Thanks: Faiza
Laeeq, NY
December 17, 2012 8:55 pm
Please do not mix Kalima with the Pakistan. It is disrespect of the Kalima. Pakistan's mean land of the pures and you know how much are we pure in our deeds.
gangadin
December 14, 2012 12:05 pm
Its a sad commentary and religion has become a scapegoat for all the other problems like poverty and lack of education, just to mention a few. If someone says that they are Muslim and recite the 'Kalima', then what is the problem? Is Islam some one's private property?
Leftist
December 14, 2012 11:50 am
you are one courageous lady!
Silajit
December 14, 2012 3:09 pm
The intolerance that entered Pakistani society from the time of partition has just changed its focus from Hindus to Bengalis to Ahmadiyas to Sufi Muslims. If such a tide had been stemmed at the very onset, it may have helped. For one thing, even after the formation of Pakistan, it could have been a mirror image of India where the majority population just happened to be Muslim. It is human nature to be suspicious of people that are different from oneself. It is up to the state to make sure that this does not spill over into breaking the law. Over time and constant contact, these suspicions heal themselves in most cases. But without effective law enforcement the forces of intolerance and hate have become a lot stronger and that's what you're seeing in Pakistan.
Zia
December 14, 2012 12:00 pm
Very well said Fazia. I don't know about you but I have no problem expressing my feeling about this country so called " Qila of Islam" that it would be greatest un-justice of God if this country remained a country on this planet..
gu44ATHER
December 14, 2012 11:32 am
i agree with the views expressed by the writer i would also invite readers to read my letters i wrote in dawn:faith in decline,and religion and politics.they would give you and insight into the roots of the issue.ATHER NAVEED PESHAWAR
Islmail
December 14, 2012 11:59 am
This is really upsetting. Pakistani society has failed. Everything that Pakistan stood for is now being overshadowed by religious extremism. We could have been better off a secular country..
KHAN
December 14, 2012 11:54 am
THIS HURTS
Aamed
December 15, 2012 9:09 pm
I have never heard of such stipends... i challenge you to find proof of these benefits given to Ahmadis..
Mohammad A Dar
December 15, 2012 10:14 pm
There is no worst terrorism in universe than denial of truth absolute, and denial of truth absolute under cover of corruption of truth absolute called religion's, is nothing but invitation to terrorism, Think about it, victim's and their opponents are in same boat.
Mohammad A Dar
December 15, 2012 10:17 pm
there is no other truth but truth absolute, and truth absolute is GOD, nothing can exist without, proven by quantum physics, a ignorant may not have knowledge of.
Aamed
December 15, 2012 10:19 pm
How many one off incidents do you needs Dr Siddiqi? And i dont think you understand how immigration works.
Mohammad A Dar
December 15, 2012 10:19 pm
There is no worst terrorism than denial of truth absolute, cause of mayhem among humanity.
Afia Rehman
December 17, 2012 4:39 pm
Written very well.I believe that such an act is beyond humanity and we should not blame hindus,sikhs or any other community for performing such an inferior act. Infact,it is the duty of the govt. to provide a peaceful atmosphere to all the minorities as it is apart of the pakistani constitution to provide rights to the minorities.Her, I would like to appreciate Faiza g for writing about such a bold issue as nobody dres to write about us(Ahmaddis).
Hakim
December 16, 2012 12:06 am
If all good people keep leaving Pakistan then one day it's going to be become hell on earth which it is already becoming very fast.
Hakim
December 16, 2012 12:24 am
Mr. Dr. Sahib, it is the responsibility of the state to keep peace in the country. If it encourages the disruption by discriminating people based on their religion, race, language or other factor "OFFICIALLY", then it's the duty of all right-minded citizen to stand up against it and be counted. In Nazi Germany, the jews and other minorities were "OFFICIALLY" discriminated and "gased" very OFFICIALLY. Does this mean it was good????? No way. After the war, all the accused were asked in court to justify their acts and you know what they said? They said, they were just following orders, and it was not their fault that so many million people were gased. They said they were following OFFICIAL orders. People on the street said they could not do anything, because it was the state that was committing those crimes and everything was OFFICIAL. The word OFFICIAL is just a veil for coward/bad people to hide themselves and feel comfortable when really bad things are happening and they know they being part of it. Either they are actively involved in it or tolerating it.
Abbas
December 16, 2012 12:31 am
Faiza has nothing to write except ahmadies and ignores 99.99% issues that we are facing??? I am not against her but be fair and look at other problems that we are in!!! We do not appreciate this blame game and urged Dawn to stop these kind of discriminations which are causing more polarization in our society.
Laeeq,NY
December 16, 2012 12:47 am
Another brainwashed hate manger.
Laeeq,NY
December 16, 2012 1:03 am
They are busy saving their seats for next election. And our justice system is busy in high profile cases.
Laeeq,NY
December 16, 2012 1:44 am
Please read their literature and then drop your fatwa of Muslim non Muslim. If they recite same kalima, say the same azan and namaz and read the same Quran then what is their religion? Above all they are human being and have equal rights like any one else? No one has right to destroy their properties and take their lives.
Suresh
December 16, 2012 1:50 am
A valid argument, however when you use uni-focal for Faiza, what are you portraying, at one end you are saying it is ugly and the other side you are giving all kind of excuses. Desecration of religious places whether they are majids, temples, graves are a horrible crime against humanity and should not be tolerated whether it is by muslims or hindus or christians and no one wants to see this happens anywhere on earth. Faiza, love your writing, and cant get enough of it.
Suresh
December 16, 2012 1:52 am
Well said bro, bigots will never change.
Suresh
December 16, 2012 1:56 am
Thanks bro Zafar, I hope that day is not very far, (21 Dec 2012), would love to live in a world where there are no bigots and religious fanatics, if I survive the Mayan prophecy
Suresh
December 16, 2012 2:03 am
Hello Khurram, you are only talking of millions of muslims, for your info, even hindus, sikhs, christians lost their lives, and what is happening now is worse than 1947.
Laeeq, NY
December 19, 2012 8:23 pm
Some time I wonder, British Raj was great when there was justice for any one. We still curse them ou being our Hukmarans before partition. Why? They were far better than our current Hukmarans.
Manzoor Ahmed
December 17, 2012 12:08 am
To Abbas You should be grateful that there still are some saner elements in the society who can raise their voices against the hate, prejudice, bigotry and intolerance in our society. Who through their pen tries to make our country just, peaceful and liveable. Instead of criticising those voices, why can't you start writing about the other problems we have and their solutions? I fully support Dawn and Faiza Mirza to raise the issues of minority in Pakistan. No Urdu newspaper has morale courage to do so. Thanks Dawn.
A Common Man
December 16, 2012 10:53 am
Mr. Adnan - you have a warped and intolerant mind. Was not the founder of your nation - Mr.Jinnah also a Shia?
chaman
December 16, 2012 5:25 am
Adnan we tried that already, it doesn't work. Remember India before partition?
chaman
December 16, 2012 6:07 am
were you at graveyard that night? if not, your ideology sure were...
Syed rizvi
December 16, 2012 6:48 pm
Such acts ill only create hatred and divde in pakistans society which is alreDy deeply divded, This is not good or pakistan, it will create mire enemiesfrom ithin. Respect each other and live in oeace. Make pakistan atringand such acts will only destroy the fBric of socuety.I strongly condemn. This act.
Mangat
December 16, 2012 6:51 am
at least not in Pakistan
Mangat
December 16, 2012 7:06 am
@ Wahid, where did you learn all this about Ahmadies? Also, do you think desecration of graves would justify for what happened in the past?
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