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ISLAMABAD: Lawmakers from the upper house on Monday expressed the fear that the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) could turn into another East India Company if the country’s interests were not actively protected.

“Another East India Company is in the offing; national interests are not being protected. We are proud of the friendship between Pakistan and China, but the interests of the state should come first,” Senator Tahir Mashhadi, chairman of the Senate Standing Committee on Planning and Development, said when some committee members raised the concern that the government was not protecting the rights and interests of the people.

The East India Company was the British trading mission sent to India, which became the precursor to the British colonial presence in the subcontinent, eventually gaining power and overthrowing the Mughals who ruled India at the time.

Following a briefing by Planning Commission Secretary Yousuf Nadeem Khokhar, a number of committee members voiced their fears over what they perceived as the utilisation of local financing for CPEC projects, instead of funding from the Chinese or any other foreign investment. They also expressed concern over the fixing of power tariff for CPEC-related power projects by the Chinese.


Senators question why most corridor projects are being funded locally, not through foreign investment


Since only one of three Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) members of the committee was present at the meeting, most of this criticism went unanswered.

Even Senator Saeedul Hassan Mandokhail endorsed the committee chairman’s complaints.

The meeting was informed that a major portion of the CPEC depended on local finances rather than Chinese investment.

“It will be very harmful for us if we have to bear the entire burden; will this [project] be a national development or a national calamity? Whatever loans taken from China will have to be paid by the poor people of Pakistan,” Mr Mashhadi observed.

Highlighting the status of CPEC-related power projects, the Planning Commission secretary said that the Matiari-Lahore transmission line project had “not been scrapped” and was being pursued by its Chinese sponsors.

Recently, the National Energy Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) had approved tariff for the project, while the government’s Private Power Infrastructure Board had filed a review petition on the tariff in order to address the sponsors’ concerns.

At this, Senator Usman Khan Kakar pointed out that Nepra had fixed the power tariff for the project at 71 paisas/unit, while Chinese investors were demanding 95 paisas/unit.

“The government has filed an appeal before Nepra, seeking the increase despite the fact that the burden will be borne by poor consumers,” he said.

The secretary also informed the committee that the Gadani power plant complex had been shelved due to the lack of a dedicated jetty.

He also said that the 6,000MW project was not part of the CPEC.

Senator Kakar immediately reacted, saying that despite the fact that the project was not part of the CPEC, Chinese Ambassador Sun Weidong had recently claimed that the Gadani power plant had not been scrapped and was indeed a part of the corridor. “Why is this project, which does not even exist, being counted in our account?” he asked.

He said that the infrastructure being established in Gwadar would only benefit the Chinese and Punjab governments, not the local community. “The people of Balochistan will only get one benefit from this project, which is the water supply,” he said, adding that no electricity or railway projects had been planned for Balochistan under the CPEC.

Senator Mandokhail said that a sense of deprivation was being instilled in smaller provinces. “We do not want the CPEC at the cost of the federation,” he added.

Since Minister for Planning and Development Ahsan Iqbal was not present in the meeting, the senator urged the secretary to advise him to ensure the integrity of the federation.

Senator Mandokhail also accused the Planning Commission of prioritising Balochistan very low on its list, given that it has not representation in the commission itself.

Jamaat-i-Islami Emir Senator Sirajul Haq said that like certain other parts of the country, Fata and AJK were also being neglected in the CPEC. “There is nothing for both areas in the CPEC,” he said and suggested that a 35km road was built to link Muzaffarabad to the CPEC so that the people of AJK could also reap its benefits.

Published in Dawn, October 18th, 2016


Comments (287) Closed



Vishal Oct 18, 2016 08:16am

This is another reason why China is supporting Pak though in principle and behind the doors they may not agree !

AdHawk Oct 18, 2016 08:16am

Quetta remains the only provincial capital without a motorway, or plans for one. Think about that for a second.

NaveedKhan Oct 18, 2016 08:20am

Some one is talking some serious sensible stuff.

Viki Oct 18, 2016 08:24am

China is supporting in each and everything, right or wrong why? Because they think Pakistan as its best friend? Or they have their own serious kind of interest? Think and answer

Ahmad Oct 18, 2016 08:24am

If you ask me who is currently in USA, everything look like planned. Both China and USA are taking advantage of Pakistan and somewhat of India. China, on the name of friendship is offered all the projects(many without proper biding). Pakistan should protect her interest first. Pakistan should ask China that 80% workforce should be from Pakistan but that is not happening. There are around 8000 Chinese engineers working on CPEC projects and Pakistanis are offered only low level jobs.

wellwisher Oct 18, 2016 08:26am

Some generals are going to be rich, thanks to China.Earlier it was US, then KSA and nor China

Jason Oct 18, 2016 08:29am

Rightly said.

Dawood from Karachi Oct 18, 2016 08:28am

I don't know from where this Senator is getting information from. CPEC has 2 Power Projects for Balochistan alone. And Gwadar will be provided with electricity continously. Maybe someone should tell the senator that Gwadar is a Part of Balochistan.

RAJ Oct 18, 2016 08:29am

CPEC is a game changer for Chinese

Ahmedfarooq Oct 18, 2016 08:30am

Good at least it will become something. People who are nothing, have nothing, and mean nothing, are worried about loosing something.

SAT GOEL Oct 18, 2016 08:33am

China is East Asia.

Desi Dimag Oct 18, 2016 08:33am

Indeed CPEC is a game changer.

Coolmind Oct 18, 2016 08:41am

True colours are coming out on so called friendship

majid Oct 18, 2016 08:42am

@AdHawk simply first bring law and order in that province

majid Oct 18, 2016 08:44am

I see a very negative perception of the he senator

yamir Oct 18, 2016 08:45am

....and, as before, you can do nothing about it.....!

Deepu Oct 18, 2016 08:48am

China only mission to spread her influence and hegemony around the world on her terms. The system you are reading this news is made in China. Only few prudent countries knows and resist this. Indians have already started boycotting Chinese made goods.

M.A.S Oct 18, 2016 08:49am

If and Buts would always be there....This was the chance Nawaz the Ghoof could have created jobs for Pakistani Engineers and Scientists.

gulab Oct 18, 2016 08:52am

Did you really thought China care about Pakistan ? Secure your interest first.

Duniya Hasan Oct 18, 2016 08:54am

This is 21st century

Zulfiqar Oct 18, 2016 08:54am

These lawmakers are the actual problem of Pakistan. These lawmakers are lawbreakers. If CPEC project is against Pakistan, India would never oppose it. Please think positive if you can't do anything good to the country.

Jawad Oct 18, 2016 08:56am

Refer to the other story published in DAWN. I think all these senetors belongs to this cell.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1251860/raw-runs-special-cell-to-sabotage-cpec-says-secretary-defence

UFO Oct 18, 2016 08:56am

Then let it be. Better than our corrupt and inept rulers.

Desi Bhai Oct 18, 2016 09:03am

Don't just blindly trust Chinese. Just look back at their history.

Deepak Kumar Oct 18, 2016 09:03am

Though CPEC may not be the ideal for Pakistan but given the security environment and investment status at the start of CPEC, no country was willing to invest anything in Pakistan. So Chinese got the advantage of that, and got everything at their terms. So Pakistan shouldn't complain about anything now. Moreover they should work to make this success since till now you have invested in it a huge sum otherwise that investment would be wasted.

NAVIK Oct 18, 2016 09:05am

Someone said Pakistan will be in position to give loan to IMF soon after completing CPEC.

Asif Oct 18, 2016 09:04am

Looking at the comments made, it seems like my Indian brothers are more concerned than we, for our future.

HA HA Oct 18, 2016 09:10am

Its dawns at last!! Good work!!

Shanmugavel Oct 18, 2016 09:10am

Atleast Pakistan realised now.

Basit Ali Peshawar Oct 18, 2016 09:17am

First thing is Pakistani people need job. All well paid jobs of engineering and management is taken by Chinese and a very small percentage of very low grade jobs in CPEC is given to Pakistani.

Karim Mombani Oct 18, 2016 09:24am

@Viki Interest or no interest Its happening. Because you can't close the shop because if you close it then you will have no option but to beg. So its better that the shop remains open and you get a loan and try to fix things. I don't honestly support PML N or the Government but there is no other option. Although there are a few things which can be managed locally but the finance ministry is sitting ducks.

Hammad Zahid Qureshi Oct 18, 2016 09:26am

This is serious.

BAYADAB Oct 18, 2016 09:32am

The senator does not know how Easy India company operated. It is nonsense to compare the two.

Pawal1983 Oct 18, 2016 09:34am

@Ahmad Than how you expec pakistan to grow when lot of chines people are taking care of CPEC work.

Akil Akhtar Oct 18, 2016 09:31am

Our politicians criticise everything unless they personally benefit from it....

Humsaya Oct 18, 2016 09:33am

@NaveedKhan Absolutely agree. History says it all, in the end they will never have any interests other than their own.

bulesha Oct 18, 2016 09:38am

When I started my business, my dad given me these golden words "nobody is going to earn money for you, it has to be you you & you. Similarly no country ever build other country. The country is build by its own citizen.

Anwar Amjad Oct 18, 2016 09:39am

The senators should clarify their points of concerns with the planning commission before going public with their views.

dev Oct 18, 2016 09:40am

Do not forget the couplet, "THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH"

Master plan Oct 18, 2016 09:41am

@Ahmad You are absolutely right. 80% Chinese workers - they give high-interest loans with one hand and invoice for "engineer employment" , get "no excise duty for machinery import". This is like getting the banana on both ends. As you said: Chinese should be forced to agree for 80% Pak workforce and only top 1% Chinese for Mangement/ Project-Program-Management. Their return should be primarily interest. If China wants 80% Chinese works: Then say since China-emplyment has significant value at the expense of local employment, we can only give 0.0000001% simple interest for the loan until the loan amount is recovered through tolls on Chinese containers, trucks.

MSUH Oct 18, 2016 09:42am

There is no such thing as free meal, CPEC is not a donation. If executed correctly it will benefit both countries.

dev Oct 18, 2016 09:41am

@Ahmad so most of the money spent on labor goes back to china .

kanwarch Oct 18, 2016 09:42am

@Viki Dont worry we are capable of doing that. You think about India.

Kartikey Mishra Oct 18, 2016 09:46am

In my opinion it will be a other highway road/train to carry chines goods .nothing else only labour can get job in this type of project all the tech and engg will come from China not pakistan ..

Kartikey Mishra Oct 18, 2016 09:46am

@Ahmad thats what my concern labour will be from Pakistan and techs, engg from China....so what happened about millions of job which Pakistani people were commenting when it launched.....

kaushal Oct 18, 2016 09:52am

China is not reliable. Pakistan should not depend on her as it will be the cause of total collapse in economy .

S Karani Oct 18, 2016 09:49am

More like the East China Company.

Sajjad Hussain Gopang Oct 18, 2016 09:54am

Stable Pakistan is in the favour of China: If Pakistan faces turmoiling situation, none other than China will be affected a lot. Hence, it will never pave way for its rivals(USA and India) to get advantage of it. China's hostility with Pakistan will escalate separatist movements there and will diminish its rising hegemony in the Indian Ocean.

Technocraft Oct 18, 2016 10:00am

Comparing modern "China" with the 19th century "British" mindset can only be done by the enemies of Pakistan

Ahmed bin Babar Oct 18, 2016 09:58am

Now we are showing our being backward, China is investing billions & trillions dollar in different parts of the world without any such perception or fear. China's foreign policy is not to interfere into the internal affairs of any nation...

Hassan Oct 18, 2016 09:59am

The loan offered by Chinese for CPEC bears 1.5% interest rate which is nothing to worry about. Every developed country has 100% plus debt to GDP ratio.

Batool Nasir Oct 18, 2016 10:00am

"eventually gaining power and overthrowing the Mughals who ruled India at the time." INTERESTING!

Kumar Oct 18, 2016 10:05am

Chinese are good at infrastructure development, 50% of their GDP constitutes construction activity. But its for the Pakistan to protect it's peoples interests like forcing Chinese to buy raw materials like cement, steel which in turn fuel Pakistan economy and productivity. Also rule should have been made to employ 80% of Pakistanis in all CPEC related projects. And the MOST important thing is how is Chinese financing this project, if its giving $42 billion to Pakistan then its good for Pakistan. If China is getting all the raw material from China and charging Pakistan in dollars then it is atrocious, immoral and its making CPEC another East India company.

Ashish Oct 18, 2016 10:04am

There are many thing which are atleast four times cheap than Indian products. Efforts must be made to bring cost of production at par with China supplimented by subsidies. There is no point in boycotting chineese products beacuse it wont work in long term.

Jaan-Bhittani Oct 18, 2016 10:07am

You know Pakistan future is bright, shiny and prosperous. "Controversies and Jealousy never wins"

Haroon Salam Oct 18, 2016 10:09am

There are no friends in international politics. There are only interests. Can anybody explains why china is standing with Pakistan when whole world is against it. this is it. Pakistan is just a pawn in China's great play.

Waseem Oct 18, 2016 10:12am

@Viki Wrong way? when? where? please give some facts...

Indian Oct 18, 2016 10:12am

This is 21st century. No country is friends or enemies, it's just interest drives.

aks Oct 18, 2016 10:21am

I think those opposing didnt get package from Chinese lobbies , interim package deal for them must be released as soon as possible from Beijing

splash Oct 18, 2016 10:21am

@Ahmad if this is true , its same as it used to happen in british raj. only whit used to have higher level jobs.

D.K. PAMNANI Oct 18, 2016 10:27am

@Ahmed bin Babar

Mr. Babar, China is not investing, only loan to Pakistan with huge interest rate. What East India Company has done in this past, it is in same way.

splash Oct 18, 2016 10:24am

china who is bullying all its neighbors to grab the whole south china sea. how can same china be too good for Pakistan. But nobody wants to realize this.

Khan Oct 18, 2016 10:32am

Government should clarify these doubts sooner then later!!! Such observation from senators would not only affect the CPEC but also may hurt our relations too.

fahad Oct 18, 2016 10:29am

Don't try to sabotage this project. The people of Pakistan will do all to ensure completion of this project along with construction of Kalabag Dam InshAllah.

Waseem Oct 18, 2016 10:30am

@Indian .. We all know dude. Thanks. :)

Saad Oct 18, 2016 10:35am

Pakistan is a little baby whose lollipop is going to get stolen. Don't be ridiculous, the only time Pakistan is going to get advantage of is when it will let someone. The United States tried for 20 years and now has left Afghanistan with a seriously dented ego. Others have tried in the past and more will attempt in the future. It is in the best interests of Pakistan to inculcate a climate of accountability and be able to do business with friends and allies in a sensible manner. There is a need to be critical but no need to give into fear of the unknown.

Iqbal Bhai Oct 18, 2016 10:36am

The only proof I need that CPEC is good for Pakistan is that US and India are trying to stop it.

Abdul Oct 18, 2016 10:37am

Not a big deal as long as China stands with Pakistan on terrorism..

Ashfaq Oct 18, 2016 10:41am

With retrograded intentions and unjust distribution of CPEC projects, we could only dream for the success ..

Yumdoot Oct 18, 2016 10:48am

True

Muhammad asif Oct 18, 2016 10:49am

CHina investing Billions of Dollars in not only south asia but World. just recently they have pledge 28 billions to Bangladesh. they have invested in Burma. they have invested even in INDIA. do you know During last trip to Iran china president have pledge 600 Billion investment. China wants its neighbors not to fall in American traps and Works against China interests. ie Just india has pact with USA for military Bases. India was never a close ally to USA but now they are too close similarly China don't want others neighbors to fall in USA hands. USA can defends Israel in anything . Why China Can't Support Pakistan. China is the only Strong country which support Pakistan Kashmir cause. gents be aware. some Indian and other enemies of Pakistan wants CPEC another Kala Bag Dam.

ishfaq Bughio Oct 18, 2016 10:51am

@Saad Agreed.

Rizwan Oct 18, 2016 10:51am

@Dawood from Karachi The question is about the price per unit at which it will be sold. Chinese companies want to set a higher price for local generation than available from Iran. Do you want to pay the higher price?

Joy Oct 18, 2016 10:55am

@Batool Nasir Maratha not mughal were the ruler of India at the time of East India company.

Rizwan Oct 18, 2016 10:53am

It would be interesting to see the Chinese reaction when the Govt. says NO to loans.

Adnan Oct 18, 2016 10:55am

Had our government been sincere with its people, they would have settled all CPEC related disputes with the provinces long before president Xi Jinping's visit to Pakistan. They should have taken all 4 provincial governments on board and then announced all the projects in presence of all 4+1 chief ministers. They should at least have given the nation all the financial details of the projects together with economic consequences for the country in the future. They should also have avoided to use CPEC as a promotion tool for their politics and consequently giving space for people to raise questions on regular basis. The project needs a calmness and some maturity on the part of all Pakistani stakeholders but that would not happen because of Lahore (punjab) centered corrupt government's lack of sincerity for rest of Pakistan. We simply needed to show our gratitude to our Chinese friends for the investment and should have avoided all this daily discussion on the matter.

trap Oct 18, 2016 11:03am

Many think Pakistan is entering a trap.

Ismail Oct 18, 2016 11:04am

A future super power will always work hard to stable the neighboring country and this is the only reason. We must be grateful to Chinese.

Vikas Oct 18, 2016 11:12am

@BAYADAB "The senator does not know how Easy India company operated. It is nonsense to compare the two."

I am sure the senator knows how the East India Co operated better than you or me. It's a different matter that you know how the 'Easy' India Co. operated better than either of us.

vijay Oct 18, 2016 11:10am

@Batool Nasir Do you know MaharaPratap the fathere of Mughal?

Som Oct 18, 2016 11:10am

I think CPEC is a boon for Pakistan. Yes there will be pilferage and politicians making money but infrastructure comes at a price and if someone is willing to invest why not welcome them. People of the sub-continent need just a little hand-holding. With infrastructure in place, people themselves will start trading, setup hotels, food processing what not.

We must all welcome CPEC !

Jimmy rocks Oct 18, 2016 11:10am

Maybe i am repeating...but the next two three generations of Pakistan will have tough time repaying. Public opinion seems to resent everything written against CPEC. Also they think world is conspiring against them. World has little interest actually. They are intersted in confirming that youth are getting education n employment so that the world can sleep in peace. If the next couple of generations are in tight spot, world will have sleepless nights.

Vikas Oct 18, 2016 11:14am

@Technocraft Its a fair comparison Techno. Modern is a relative term. At the time of the East India co that was modern today this is.

Ramki Oct 18, 2016 11:15am

@NAVIK

Back in May, someone commented that CPEC is the game changer and money will form cloud all over Pakistan.

Vikas Oct 18, 2016 11:19am

@Joy Your statement partially correct in some parts. But broadly I'd have to say incorrect as majority portion and the rule was from Delhi by the Moguls,

Nisar Oct 18, 2016 11:17am

This was the fear which was expressed by Jawed Chaudry in one of his articles about six months before

Tahir Baloch Oct 18, 2016 11:17am

Dear Indian Brothers, Please don't worry for Pak Future. Concentrate on your Country.

Khurramwajid Oct 18, 2016 11:18am

People still living in 18th century, and the fear inside this status co wont let people of Pakistan to think out of box and aggressively.

vishal Oct 18, 2016 11:18am

CPEC - Some wise people have smelled correctly!

history of China Oct 18, 2016 11:23am

See the history of China in Tibet, Hong Kong, South China sea and Taiwan, you will know that when China wants someone's land it will conquer.

KT Oct 18, 2016 11:22am

Salute to the people who had worked out to identify discrepancy in this project. I agree by my heart that CPEC is supposed to be government project which should not be controlled by private players. Those who have identified these facts are truly concerned for the interests of Pakistan and its avam.

samin Oct 18, 2016 11:21am

@Asif How much is Pakistan's share of trade with China. Traders know deeper aspects like quality, credit worthiness, style of doing business, ethics and capability. We trade USD 70 billion with China. The number of traders on board any China bound plane from any city of India is huge. The number of ships that dock on Indian ports and containers loads that is unloaded is proof of the trade volume. Pakistan's view of China is largely through a strategic and military angle. India China view each other holistically. The number of Indian students in China and the number of Chinese engineers in Indian projects is huge. So Indians know Chinese much better than the Pakistanis.

Prabhat Oct 18, 2016 11:25am

Now this article makes sense. Better Pakistan takes ADB into confidence. Pakistan should build infrastructure as much it can afford on its own and is required to fulfill its own needs.

Murlidhar Nair Oct 18, 2016 11:26am

Education and world knowledge is lacking with Pakistanis. Hope they learn their mistakes before it is too late. China has two face - one is of your brother and another of a dragon. We Indians know well their tactics. So Pakistanis stop depending on US, China, Iran, Russia or any other new country and learn to stand on your own feet.

Sudhakar Oct 18, 2016 11:31am

China means business and money. Have no sentiments about this project or relationship.

Muhammad zafar iqbal Oct 18, 2016 11:28am

Until the initiation of CPEC and other development initiatives by the present government what had been done by the previous governments and what had done by the senetors in practical terms except to make hollow speeches so let the CPEC be executed and Pakistan's economy may flourish.

Desi Dimag Oct 18, 2016 11:30am

CPEC is a secret project that will turn Pakistan into 1st world country. No one in Pakistan knows the detail of this project but supports without doubting.

Prakash Prabhakar Dhumal Oct 18, 2016 11:35am

It looks like China will build operate & will get benefit out of everything where on daily wages locals will see in those railway compartments selling Chinese toys!

Arun Oct 18, 2016 11:38am

Classic example of Botswana is before all of us. After all the development there by Chinese assistance, they are now concerned about the implications of soft loans.

Ajay Oct 18, 2016 11:39am

Nice Article.

jugal kishore sharma Oct 18, 2016 11:43am

That's realistic views if project will be full on swing. China never compete in this region withheld under developing countries. flooded Chines product in each of sector in black or white days. Why are thinks for same trade same balance theory

Patriotic Oct 18, 2016 11:44am

CPEC project is not an Eat India company. China is not a colonialist country, Chinese do business with principle. Loose talk by these senator in middle of project make no sense to me.

thunderbolt Oct 18, 2016 11:48am

finally my inner voice, i think author read my comments sometimes back in dawn when i comment that in future when history will be written they will say once came the east india company and then came the chinese. our gov should not blinding jump into this well with all faith, I am working in an IT company providing various IT services, we are suffering as well as other companies just because gov policies are inclined towards china and its not just this pic an industry.there was telecom service provider they had to close business and as i remember 300-400 of their pakistan technical staff became jobless most of whom i know applied for immigration to canada and left.Its gov job to create balance, are they concerned about it?? or just blowing cpec cpec whistle get seat confirmation in next election what is this..cpec is brilliant thing but in pashto language theres an old saying which my other always say that when you shake hand with someone dont give him your sleeve

Faizan Oct 18, 2016 11:49am

what about dozens of NGOs and foreign secret agencies operating in our country. They also have thier agenda.... No body has termed them or even speak against them.

Rahul Oct 18, 2016 11:50am

Tell chinese to invest in manufacturing sector of pakistan;So that locally manufacture pakistani goods can also reach central asia via CPEC earning profits for pakistan .Secondly ask chinese for mutual partnership in CPEC .I strongly believe chinese are intrested in CPEC so that their goods reaches central asia ,they are not intrested in developing pakistan as strong manufacturing base

Shah, Canada Oct 18, 2016 11:51am

@history of China .... Wrong Hong Kong was on lease to British and was given back after expiry of lease. Taiwan is separate state, read history before commenting. India took Hyderabad, Goa, Kashmir etc by force.

Khan Oct 18, 2016 11:54am

@Viki .. You are angry because China and world is not supporting Modi's mantra.

Raaz Oct 18, 2016 11:59am

CPEC will make Pakistan the Superpower of the world and China the Mega Superpower. Entire world will grovel before these two Bigbrothers

Abhi Oct 18, 2016 12:05pm

I want to make some points here 1) in a report of dawn http://www.dawn.com/news/1103265 it shows 90% electric connection of sindh are illegal, and thats common everywhere, chineese taking over power sector will force people to pay higher rates and those who cant afford it 2) cpec will cut chineese goods transportation by 40% , this will replace pakistani's product with cheaper chineese product from needle to car and it will kill pakistan's manufacturing industry. When will pakistan develop its own manufacturing hub if its forever engaged in selling chineese products?

vin27 Oct 18, 2016 12:07pm

CPEC should not become an albatross around common Pakistani. I wonder if a common is able to look beyond the dangling carrots.

Arslan Oct 18, 2016 12:08pm

These stooges will do and say anything to sabotage CPEC. In addition to that, the Federal government will waste as much CPEC money to secure their own vote banks. First the IMF warning and now the Senators!

Striker Oct 18, 2016 12:11pm

Cpec is in the best interest of Pak. The senator, people like him and a segment of media in Pakistan are trying to defame the project in someone elses interest.

mubeen Oct 18, 2016 12:09pm

It will provide great business opportunities and contracts for the ruling elite...we as common people will just keep flying flags and sing anthems while the looters benefit

VIVEK Oct 18, 2016 12:18pm

Remember.. China will not invest billions of dollar for FREE. Take a contract copy from the Government and analyze it. If Senator Tahir Mashhadi is saying something, people of Pakistan have rights to cross check the facts.

aRjun Oct 18, 2016 12:19pm

as a Indian we r definitely interested in d cpec... it's economic implications.. and also the benefit /losses u will have 2 undergo... remember nobody is a friend...

aRjun Oct 18, 2016 12:22pm

as a Indian we r definitely interested in d cpec... it's economic implications.. and also the benefit /losses u will have 2 undergo... remember nobody is a friend...

Toby Mcguire Oct 18, 2016 12:21pm

@Hassan

The 1.5% interest is on the $5billion loan, only for repairing the railway tracks, not for the entire CPEC. China will again supply all the raw material, and labor, and get its $5 billion back, but Pakistan will be left with a loan of $5 billion with 1.5% interest.

SK Oct 18, 2016 12:38pm

@Rizwan Pakistan current cost of electricity Production is Rs 15.68 per unit. Iran and India can offer u @ Rs 7 per unit. U don't want to purchase from India, and in the meanwhile any purchase agreement with Iran may damage relationship with Saudi. Finally Chinese will offer u not less than @Rs 20 per unit. The expensive cost of production will make people poorer and Exports incompetent. Learn from Sri Lanka. How Chinese projects have pushed them to bankruptcy.

Desi Dimag Oct 18, 2016 12:35pm

CPEC is not an economical but a security project. Pakistan thinks if they will involve China she will be secured. Precisely it is beneficial for China not for Pakistan.

Amin Daha Oct 18, 2016 12:39pm

China is Pakistan's most true and sincere friend so there should be no worry about anything.

Random Oct 18, 2016 12:42pm

The answer that begs the question; What is the return assured to Chinese Companies on their investment in CPEC and who stands guarantee.

Nasir Oct 18, 2016 12:42pm

Detail of CPEC is required

Nasir Oct 18, 2016 12:40pm

Detail of CPEC is required Can Any body tell me

dd Oct 18, 2016 12:45pm

Pakistan Govt has not yet share / shown any contract agreement with chines on CPEC to there own citizen hiding the real effect going to Pakistan economy ..making fool to there own citizen ..

Vishal Oct 18, 2016 12:45pm

Main problem with Pakistan is India phobia which very recently an Afghan envoy said openly !

Ali Bux Dubai Oct 18, 2016 12:48pm

Like it or not. But Hindustan is the only true friend of Pakistan. Though this may not be acceptable for many in Pakistan at the moment because of ego issues. But once the religious ego is given less priority and a friendship is offered to India, Pakistan will prosper in the long run. China is there only to make money and they are just using Pakistan's insecurity against India to take care of Chinese interest. They can never be your iron brothers. It is better to have a good genuine friend in India than having an iron brother who only considers you Brother for their own interest.

Uday Oct 18, 2016 12:53pm

The nominal GDP of Pakistan n 2015 is at 270billion USD. the cost of CPEC, which is the value of Chinese investment is 51billion approximately. Nearly the 1/5th of the amount is being invested by Chinese. Time will tell what concessions they will extract from Pakistan

Ishrath Oct 18, 2016 12:57pm

With CPEC, china doesn't have to confront USA on south china sea and save a lot of time and money in transport of goods/gas/oil. it is almost 75% saving. They can make their goods available at much cheaper price now.

Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad Oct 18, 2016 12:59pm

What a silly joke?

Sami Oct 18, 2016 01:06pm

Chinese companies are importing all the raw materials, machineries and technical labour from China. They are being assured a guaranteed return on their investments. For all the imports, Chinese Govt is paying back the Chinese companies by underwriting it as a loan to Pakistan govt.on which it will again pay the interest rate of 2 to 4 %+ libor. This is a classic example of getting paid for and having a SALIYANA. I sometimes wonder, how foolish can our politicians be. There is no bidding process nor any technical evaluation of each project. We all will have to pay non competitive profit to these Chinese companies. No where in the world, this kind of projects are awarded without cost analysis. This is more like coal scam and 2g scam of Congress govt of india.

Naim Khan Oct 18, 2016 01:08pm

Don't play politics please let this project to complete, our politicians are problem to a solution , in upper house you talk about senators? Look at these people, Rehman Malik, Sherri Rehman, Rabani,Itaziz Assan, etc 90% of the are corrupt on pay role to work againist the devolpment. If our governments in last 30 years had invested money in infrastructure of roads, railways, Gawader port, Dams,in coal mining, we did nothing but our politiacns looted the country and invested in London, Dubai, In Panama, USA. Our 75% population is illitrate thanks to these so called, PMLN,PMLQ, PPP,MQM,ANP,and Baluchi Sirdars (tribal leaders) just shut up.

Suleman Oct 18, 2016 01:13pm

If any country would have prosperous just by the "MOTORWAYS/SEALINKS" then Egypt and Panama would have been most prosperous in the world.

MS Oct 18, 2016 01:13pm

Negative propaganda against must stop!

Skeptic Oct 18, 2016 01:20pm

The other shoe is about to drop!!

All the euphoria and hype about CPEC Bonanza was premature??

Jitendra Oct 18, 2016 01:20pm

@Asif No it is for the future of both. Both are losers in this.

Umreekan_Sundi Oct 18, 2016 01:21pm

Bickering bickering bickering. Our selfish politicians are hell bent on making it another Kala Bagh Dam

Gazab Oct 18, 2016 01:22pm

CPEC can bring lots of gains to Pakistan. However everything should be made public and subject to debate. Why is this kept under so much secret.

SAEED MASOOD Oct 18, 2016 01:28pm

The whole nation of Pakistan is so solidly wed to the CPEC that no divorce will ever be possible, it has to be very very transparent and open to public, any even minor cheating or discrepancy will not be acceptable by the Pakistani people, the government should be extremely careful and open with the people of Pakistan.

Indian Oct 18, 2016 01:29pm

@Ahmad : That is obvious when two will fight third will take the advantage.

jayes Oct 18, 2016 01:28pm

@Desi Dimag --- it is a game changer forChina only as very soon will be paying huge interest on the loans they have taken to pay for the corridor Theyl beonly getting transit fee I doubt it will cover the interest and maintence cost

Sajjad Ali Oct 18, 2016 01:31pm

@Viki although CPEC is good for both pak and China but we are so inefficient that we cnt depend our own interest and secondly we have to face a big problem from CPEC in the future is that of pollution as china want to establish their most polluted industries in Pakistan as we see many poluted state in china due to these industries.

M. Umair A. Khan Oct 18, 2016 01:55pm

and here comes indian money playing its part in creating confusion, all these senators are are useless people and they have nothing beneficial for country in their career.

DSK Oct 18, 2016 01:53pm

@Asif , Indians have first hand experience of Chinese manipulations, hence sharing our experiences. You can conveniently ignore if it suits you.

Raj Oct 18, 2016 02:01pm

@Ahmad China exports are dropping and looking for new jobs for his employee. The loan will be repaid by poor people.

joydeep.Pune Oct 18, 2016 02:09pm

@Saad - good one.

Batool Nasir Oct 18, 2016 02:15pm

@vijay Excuse me, I just quoted the sentence from this article. My comment/quote actually has some sarcastic undertone.

Khwarezmi Oct 18, 2016 02:22pm

Where are the interests of the state when these politicians establishes offshore companies in Panama, do corruption and pay no taxes?

Arif Oct 18, 2016 02:25pm

@RAJ don't you worry.

shaill Oct 18, 2016 02:31pm

@DSK Bro it's a internal matter of Pakistan. Just wait n watch.

Anand Oct 18, 2016 02:30pm

@Gazab Good question..I hope you get the answer soon

jay Oct 18, 2016 02:42pm

well said

Hasan Siftain Oct 18, 2016 02:47pm

When English came they improved roads, Rails, Law and order. We are going to loose nothing now. China is next super power. Being Citizen of a super power would be nice feelings :D

LF Oct 18, 2016 02:50pm

@M. Umair A. Khan agree with u mate

Sheraz Ahmed Khan Oct 18, 2016 03:39pm

CPEC is in favour of both the countries. Also it is beneficial for this region

Tahir ali shah Oct 18, 2016 03:39pm

Linking CPEC with East india co is not right. China has always proved his friendship. It is true china is making it for her own benefit but Pak will get its share. Job should be given to pak experts also. And china will accept it. Hail pak- china frienship.

Sk Oct 18, 2016 04:31pm

@Hasan Siftain yo don't become a citizen. You would be a subject.

Az Oct 18, 2016 04:36pm

Indians identifying the negatives of this whole project - as it leaves India behind!

Az Oct 18, 2016 04:35pm

@Asif for sure!

Anjaan Oct 18, 2016 04:45pm

@Ahmedfarooq rightly said.

Tamur Oct 18, 2016 05:09pm

@Ahmedfarooq rightly said.

Raja Khalid Oct 18, 2016 05:13pm

The senator point of view is in the interest of the nation.

linus Oct 18, 2016 05:15pm

@RAJ yeah ofcourse.. china will benefit huge and they on driving seat.. name itself has china first.. else it would be Pakistan china economic corridor

kd, mumbai. Oct 18, 2016 05:17pm

Understand one thing very carefully. There is no such thing as a free lunch. All the money being put into your country by the Chinese (or whoever) WILL need to be returned some day. Pakistan can use this opportunity to build their economy by ensuring local industry is built up as well. If the politicians don't encourage this (a likely possibility) Pakistan will end up being in debt to China for all time to come. Don't be under the illusion China cares. They are in this for the money. As are all investors.

mulk Oct 18, 2016 05:24pm

@Zulfiqar - you are wrong. India would still oppose it because if CPEC turns out to be second East India company, it would be Chinese who will be controlling Pakistan and that would not be good for India's security.

A Khan Oct 18, 2016 05:30pm

A serious and thoughtful discussion

LF Oct 18, 2016 05:29pm

@Az right analysis mate

Genesis Oct 18, 2016 05:33pm

@Dawood from Karachi It is all about the costof power and what use if you cannot afford it.

P. S. Natarajan Oct 18, 2016 05:34pm

Point is that China is the only country to invest huge money in the troubled state in which Pakistan at present finds itself. For this Pakistan should be ever grateful to China specially when the U. S. is fast losing interest in her. However, there is no free lunch in this world. China now is a capitalist country even more than the U. S.. She will squeeze as much as possible from Pakistan as a return on CPEC investment while keeping a friendly smile on her face.

Rizwan Oct 18, 2016 05:53pm

@Ahmedfarooq you are so right

indian Oct 18, 2016 05:55pm

@Asif : yes, It is a fact!!

Usman Toronto Oct 18, 2016 06:19pm

You don't need to worry . This is for us to think who is our Friend and who is enemy, not for you to worry about.

Yousuf Oct 18, 2016 06:31pm

OK. no other country dares even invests this amount. And China is investing here . After completion 'China will pay rent on each load it carries through Pakistan and still there is doubt.

Patriot Oct 18, 2016 06:38pm

@splash the same way,as America is supporting India and backing every kind of atrocities in every part of the world.why don't u ask how same America?

shafqat a mir Oct 18, 2016 06:41pm

@kaushal CHINA IS NOT STABLE, IR BOGGLES MY MIND

Logic Oct 18, 2016 06:40pm

@history of China China has claim on those land and identifies them as there historic territory... this is not the case with pakistan

Alba Oct 18, 2016 06:42pm

@Ahmad ... Then finance the project yourselves.

Indian Oct 18, 2016 06:52pm

@Khan : This is also correct. But the you also need to find out the fact what is good and bad for you.

Indian Oct 18, 2016 06:54pm

@Amin Daha : There is no friend at least in terms of country. Just see around yourself, everyone is thinking about themselves and looking for their benefits. The moment they would realize you can not offer them anything you are alone.

GHEUNTAAK Oct 18, 2016 06:56pm

@Tahir ali shah "And China will accept it". Good luck with that!

Fahad Oct 18, 2016 07:03pm

Sure workforce is Chinese as they are financing it, but China's real benefit comes from access to ME and African markets, have an alternate route for oil NOT by employing Chinese people in Paksiatn, it is done initally for a successful project lauch which if 80% of workforce was Paksitani would not have hapened..

Akbar Khan Oct 18, 2016 07:04pm

Check my comments at the time of CPEC launch and it indicates the same. Lots of unknowns. - Interest charges - Main Objectives - Power Tarrif etc No one invest 40+billions without having solid gains? In business, never 2 parties make the profits at same time too.

Alba Oct 18, 2016 07:04pm

@Ahmad .... You are making an assumption that Pakistani civil engineers are equal to Chinese civil engineers. This is on the job training for Pakistan's engineers. I have not seen any Pakistan built high speed rail trains. China built the largest dam in the world, and that did not collapse.

Jamil Soomro, NEW YORK CITY Oct 18, 2016 07:13pm

This is extremely serious accusation made by the responsible member,the Chairman Mr.Tahir Mashhadi.His comparison of CPEC with the British East India Company is certainly disturbing. In my opinion the Govt.of Pakistan should immediately convene an emergency parliamentary session with all the elected representatives of the four provinces to particularly discuss the CPEC Project.The final outcome on this issue should be revealed to the people of Pakistan.

GB Oct 18, 2016 07:29pm

& no one mentions GB as it is not part of Pakistan constitionally and has no representation neither in NA/Senate nor in any decision making committee about CPEC yet its one of the biggest stakeholder in CPEC.

Tabish Oct 18, 2016 07:51pm

@AdHawk Add karachi to it as well

Dhruv Oct 18, 2016 08:02pm

India tried to isolate pak in world stage. The truth is that India stands isolated in Asian continent now. China is hell-bent toward pak due to its business interests and confrontation with usa in south china sea. Russia is hell-bent towards china due to 400 billion gas deal. The sole consolation for india is west which is not trustable. High time india should guard its border effectively and stop complaining of cross border terrorism

AKB Oct 18, 2016 08:05pm

It is very difficult to attract investors and China has provided an opportunity to Pakistan. CPEC will not only change the fate of poor people of Pakistan but it will also bring peace and prosperity to the region. Please avoid making it a bone of contention.

S K Oct 18, 2016 08:06pm

Are we dumb people? Indians & Pakistani? It is like whole world is doing business on enimity of us. USA, RUSSIA, CHINA, EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST. All are dividing us and taking gains. We can solve Kashmir in one hour if our goal is growth and prosperity of kashmir. But no, we are fools and will remain fools.

aslam shaikh1 Oct 18, 2016 08:06pm

Our Politicians are angry because they are not getting a piece of the pie

ravi Oct 18, 2016 08:36pm

@Zulfiqar Well India is opposing because it roils be against India as well against Pakistan, it would benefit only Chinese

Mohd Kamran Oct 18, 2016 08:39pm

@Asif - dont worry- nobody is. Enjoy CPEC.

Santosh Chaube Oct 18, 2016 09:40pm

@Ahmad Pakistan people should be allowed to work on these projects in greater numbers so that the transfer of skills happen soon and Pakistan manages another similar projects in future of its own,

Santosh Chaube Oct 18, 2016 09:44pm

@Asif yes, so with your economic prosperity, may be you will have one more option not to take guns .

Suman Kr Paul Oct 18, 2016 09:46pm

@Haroon Salam exactly correct, the best comment ever seen...

probono publico Oct 18, 2016 09:55pm

Why would Pakistan not embark an IPO of Rs.1000 per share to let common people be part of CPEC? Reason is that NS has kept CPEC for his Punjab cronies, it's Sharif family's business venture not a national business project. . . .

As If Oct 18, 2016 09:56pm

China is going to build this route to reach Middle East and Africa to increase its presence and trade volume by exploiting our land plus making easy money by providing resources at commercial terms.

So our regulators, trade authorities, lawmakers/politicians and other institutions must have to act wisely to protect the National interest/entity.

Pakistans'geographical presence make us an important international trade partner but we must use this strategic advantage carefully to safeguard the National interests.

bluemesa Oct 18, 2016 10:04pm

@Ishrath South China sea is not just about sea route.. it's about oil reserves found in that region.

Gurpreet Singh Oct 18, 2016 10:21pm

There are about 8000 Chinese workers currently in Pakistan working on the CPEC projects and there are about 16000 Pakistani soldiers protecting those 8000 workers, that's 2 armed bodyguards for each Chinese worker.

Armaan Oct 18, 2016 10:44pm

its enough for us pakistanis to check whether CPEC is in our interest or not that all indians are telling us " CPEC is not in our interest"

Sunil Mehta Oct 18, 2016 11:40pm

Najam Sethi, among some other jouranlists explained in one of his shows how most of CPEC projects were to be funded. Chinese companies would invest with guaranteed return coming from electricity tariff, tolls etc. Yet not just PML (N) politicians but many talk show hosts continued to sing "Our great and true friend China is going to invest US$ 46 billion" song.

It's surprising to me that it's making news now. Indeed it sounds like East India Company. That's how the railways were built in India. Private investors were given guaranties for investing in railways.

In early days of East India Company, its investment yielded as much as 400% annually.

prashant Oct 18, 2016 11:50pm

@Shah, Canada I think lets not debate who kept what. Mr Syed just raised concerns by few lawmakers. Instead of opposing just give a careful thoughts to local issues which may arise. I mean it's good that china is manufacturing hub of Asia providing cheaper things and as an Asian I am proud of the same. But Asia will develop only when rich countries like China thinks about all inclusive growth. For instance- Cheaper goods is killing local manufacturers in India so what impact it may have on locals in Pakistan should be given some thought. I think CPEC will benefit all in longer tern provided it's successful completion and implementation of pious motives behind it

Ahsan Gul Oct 19, 2016 12:02am

So wrong our MNAs and think tank are. I wonder how they got elected to their posts.

IronYNation Oct 19, 2016 12:02am

If China wants to help Pakistan why dont they import more Pakistani products or even force Chinese friends or allies to import Pak products.whole thing seems a little fishy

Mohammed Daud Oct 19, 2016 12:17am

CPEC is a game changer. Isn’t it amazing that India is telling Pakistan what is good and what is bad for us. We are very well aware what is good and what is bad for us, we actually don’t need any advice from them. Moreover India will never be happy if we do or plan to do something good for our future generations. Every Pakistani needs to work hard and sincerely to make it a success.

Shahid Abbasi Oct 19, 2016 12:34am

western community never allow us easy to success this project, they will Setback us by internal & external issues.

Zakhir Oct 19, 2016 12:35am

There are no similarities / comparisons in culture or religion of Pakistan and Chinese . Chinese religion / culture has some similarities with countries like Nepal, Tibet, Burma, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Korea, etc.

I wonder how Chinese are all weather friend of Pakistan. China is nothing but an opportunist country. Islamic Pakistan having closer ties with Buddhist / communist china is nothing but pure opportunistic.

Bobb Oct 19, 2016 01:06am

@Deepu Interesting that this page has swelled in no time and most commentators are from India. India would definitely love to see a rift developing between China and Pakistan which will complete Modi's isolation of Pakistan.Why would India boycot Chinese goods if Pak-China alliance starts falling apart!!

Bobb Oct 19, 2016 01:23am

@Kumar Pakistan is surrounded by hostile environment so it has been natural that ties with China would be essential even at a price. China has always sided with Pakistan in its difficult times....so what if it wants to be benefited from business opportunities in Pakistan. After all no country favours other country without its own interests. China and Pakistan have enjoyed a relationship which has been based on give and take principle.

Rehman Oct 19, 2016 01:24am

In many ways, this is what the British did in undivided India. They built roads, railways, etc., but their purpose was not to develop undivided India, but to exploit its resources. The British built the roads and railways not to help the local population, but to enable them to transport all the resources and materials within the country, which they could then export back to the UK, Europe and the rest of the world. Millions of people were dying of famine in undivided India before Pakistan got its independence, but at the same time millions of tonnes of foodgrains were being exported from within India to rich Europe. I am not saying Chinese have a similar approach, but we need to be sure that whatever is being done is in Pakistan's interests.

Tariq Oct 19, 2016 01:28am

ok people it is time to reflect. what have these so called law makers achuved by them self during last 75 years? they are infact hem self the east india company. i wouldn't be surpeised if these guys are paid to disturb any development.

The point though is valid to protect pak interests, but who is going to do that, wjere is the competency?

OZ Oct 19, 2016 01:45am

@Viki Indians and their agents in Pakistan and in Nawaz group will continue to create doubts in everyone mind.

Venu USA Oct 19, 2016 02:09am

@Zulfiqar Sir, I don't think India is worried about the benefits CPEC brings to Pakistan. If at all, India is concerned about the inroads China will make into South Asia via CPEC. Once they move in and take a grip, neither India nor Pakistan will be able to send them back.

SK Oct 19, 2016 02:32am

@Usman Toronto same situation happened in Zimbabwe. When they weren't able to pay back the debt, China has taken over the economy of Zimbabwe and they have to adop Chinese yuan as their legal currency.

Aranya Oct 19, 2016 02:51am

This is exactly what Pakistan should have realized years ago.

Marcus Oct 19, 2016 03:42am

India and Pakistan are quibbling siblings whilst the outsiders are taking advantage of this situation.The answer is simple the world do not want these two countries being on friendly terms and creating a economic union it spells disaster for the Americans and Chinese...the answer is a simple one let bygones be bygones and start protecting the whole regions interest..a renewed union will bring prosperity and rule out internal problems for both countries whilst the people from both countries enjoy the fruits. Remember 50 per cent of the world trade will be shared between Pakistan and India and china in the future. NB A cautionary note to Pakistan - If local projects are being funded locally then why loan money from the chinese...why not build the CPEC for the chinese and charge a tariff..East Indian Tea Company, Remember only a world war allowed severance of ties....in this case chinese wont allow severance they will want annexation. I would rather be with India than China.

Shafiq Shah Oct 19, 2016 05:29am

Seems like these Senators are on purpose making CPEC controversial. Pakistan is lucky to have a friend like China. China is investing $46 Billion in Pakistan. Pakistan is not borrowing money for consumption use it is for investment. Investment will payoff the debts. There will be no EAST INDIA company. You have to trust your friend.

Vyshak Vitobha Oct 19, 2016 05:51am

Ask the Sri Lankan's - they are still paying LIBOR + 6% for loans taken by Rajapaksa for the development of Hambantota - which doesnt even have a functional airport!!

Jalaluddin S. Hussain Oct 19, 2016 05:54am

The best economic solution for Pakistan is to do what Communist China did after 1949, when she got rid of internal and external parasites and exploiters.

China relied more and more on her own resources and worked very hard. There is no other way.

As a result, at present, in the year 2016, China is one of the super economic powers of the world.

shaer Khan Oct 19, 2016 07:15am

CPEC is the only good that has ever happened to Pakistan other than Musharraf. Negative Comments listed here are all from Indians who have an issue with CPEC as it will bring prosperity to Pakistan. China is the only true friend of Pakistan who is in between India and Pakistan, looking after Pakistan.

Think right Oct 19, 2016 07:30am

Pakistan will soon realise that friendship with China has a heavy cost. The Chinese, unlike most others, aren't swayed by emotion. National interest comes first. That's the corner stone of their diplomacy and foreign policy. Before Pakistan, China "invested" a lot in African countries. It will be worthwhile to check with them the heavy cost they are still paying

Think right Oct 19, 2016 07:30am

@Asif frankly not. Your country. Your decisions. It's that Dawn's level of journalism is transparent, unbiased and brilliant and I guess most like me love to read articles on dawn and comment. When we want to read trash, we have NDTV here.

Anir Oct 19, 2016 07:45am

China has great relations with Pakistan and good with India. But is there any common culture between China and Pakistan or India. Do Pakistanis or Indians watch Chinese movies and songs; or Chinese people watch Indian or Pakistani movies. Indians and Pakistanis do get into wedding, but its rare to have such relation with Chinese. Nor a large population of Pakistanis and Indians live there in China. So relation with China will always be because of business and not anything else. Because of Indians and Pakistanis living in US, UK and Canada, there is some cultural commonality there. When relation is based only on business and not on culture, what is raised about East India Company is valid. Pakistan and India will always play into the hands of global powers when they will highlight their differences and ignore the commonality they have for 100s of years.

wise man Oct 19, 2016 09:22am

CPEC is not East India Company but East Asia Company

Adv Altaf Ahmad Mirajkar Oct 19, 2016 09:27am

Such negative views to contradict our development projects are apparently at the behest of fearing opponents, which needs to be strongly handled.

Shankar Oct 19, 2016 09:37am

Actually by the time East India Company asserted its political presence (1757-1857) Mughals were not exactly ruling India- they have virtually lost the entire Empire except the title of Emperor was still retained with them. The de-facto rulers of India were the Marathas , Sikhs, Jats, Nawab of Bengal /Bihar etc. Bahadur Shah Zafar who was the last Mughal Emperor was famously described as the Emperor of Delhi-that was the limit of his writ.

Umar Gul Oct 19, 2016 10:17am

@Deepu Well Said...

Umar Gul Oct 19, 2016 10:15am

@gulab Rethink 100 time.. answer is well known to all the world...

IndianPunjabi Oct 19, 2016 10:41am

China is playing Pakistan card well, just like US trying to play India. Its only these nations who aren't realizing they are being played upon.

Umar Gul Oct 19, 2016 10:50am

@Zakhir Yes it is scent percent opportunist.. It is developing towards super power by using these type of opportunities... Don't compare china with India in similarities.. China support only one religion.. India respect all religions.. all religions are in India.. It is incredible... and India is not a opportunist...Indians are growing towards super power with their own will...

GHATAK Oct 19, 2016 11:27am

@Hassan ..The rate you quoted is incorrect brother, you cannot raise USD locally at this rate... it is higher than L+3% n in some cases L+ 5%

JM Oct 19, 2016 11:44am

Nothing will happen. Only China will have free run to Arabian Gulf.

Chander Oct 19, 2016 11:48am

@Asif If you only want to hear "Yes"or "Good"so be it.Development does not happen overnight every subsequent governments have to have it as a agenda.Devlopment starts when the citizens start believing in the system and start investing not when other country comes in and start giving loan.China is no one's brother like any other country it looks at its interest first.They will never say anything to Pakistan wether good or bad unless their interests are jeopardised.They don't care about Pakistan their only worry is 1.3 billion citizens of China,either you agree with me today or agree after 30 years

Senator Oct 19, 2016 11:57am

Senator lacks knowledge and wisdom

rishi Oct 19, 2016 12:06pm

pakistan, u cannot trust chinese. they are like wolf in a sheep's clothing. Stop all form of terror activities against India and rest of the world. Come do business with India. We will help u make real money. Not virtual money with doomed infrastructure and potential debt trap, like the chinese.

Amit Roy Oct 19, 2016 12:47pm

China is more selfish and stupid than British.

Gaurav Arya Oct 19, 2016 01:13pm

A friend who has visited Pakistan a few times (Lahore and Karachi mainly) told me that while the people of Pakistan were wonderful, they were "bahut jazbati log". He praised the hospitality and large heartedness of the common Pakistani but also said that they were too emotional.

If CPEC is good for Pakistan, I as an Indian convey my best wishes to the people for Pakistan. I just have one point to make. If a deal is too good to believe, you must go into minute detail so that there are no surprises. Pakistanis must ask why apart from China, no one is investing. They must ask if 46 billion USD is a gift from China, or it has some strings attached. If there is a benefit, how much will Pakistan directly benefit. What is the interest component and how will Pakistanis repay it.

Simply building up CPEC hysteria without due diligence is not the answer.

grehband Oct 19, 2016 01:47pm

where are pakistani engineers... chinese engineers are getting job and pakistan is paying tor it.. along with scurity

Rehman Oct 19, 2016 02:16pm

Absurd report. No compare of East India Company with CPEC. China is a strategic partner and long term Friend. This is disgusting that Press and Media are playing in such crucial moment such irresponsible role.

Kumar Oct 19, 2016 02:50pm

@Bobb , hi sir, Pakistan government is giving lot more than what it is receiving from China. This situation is not Pakistan specific, if we give lenience to Capitalists they will even dare to take away our clothes, Chinese stand on extreme side. We have to stand for ourselves. At least Pakistan should have kept some rules like sourcing raw materials in Pakistan and 80% of labor should be from Pakistan. BIGGEST block for Pakistan attracting FDI is internal security issues. Anyway Good luck with CPEC.

Sithara Oct 19, 2016 03:09pm

@Asif Experience is the best teacher... We can wait and see.. And of course India and Pak are brothers that is why we are fighting na???? and all other superpowers like China and Us are benefitting from our fight.

Raj Oct 19, 2016 03:31pm

I guess CPEC is good for Pakistan,but Pakistan should bargain lot more for their own interest...

Dipak Oct 19, 2016 03:50pm

@Zulfiqar my friend just think wisely not by India prospective look at your country interest it's a good project but if you are paying for it as Dr.Mashood says in his talk show that Pakistan had Gawader, China wanted the route so they can save time so they should pay for it.

Amin Oct 19, 2016 04:18pm

The very fact that India and all the anti state elements are opposing CPEC is proof enough that it is in the interest of Pakistan.

Govind Oct 19, 2016 04:40pm

@Amin Before commenting , please also look what the Indian press as well Indians write about CPEC. I am sure then you will realize who is your friend and who is using you.

sourav Ghosh Oct 19, 2016 05:25pm

@Technocraft obviuoslu you dont read the papers, have not heard about the south china sea , the east china sea and africa

humayun khan Oct 19, 2016 05:29pm

CPEC should be completed as pakistan economy cant survive without USA loans and aid.just think for a while if USA stops your aid wht will happen?Countries uses each other in whole world to achieve thier goals.actually pak is not of habit of that thing thats why we are so much confused.long live pak-china.

amd Oct 19, 2016 05:57pm

There is no dearth of negative thinking/suspicions of conspiracy whenever any new development/progress is to take place Benefit of CPEC will be evident in the long run and not all of a sudden dramatically.Better keep such thoughts at bay and welcome CPEC

nikus Oct 19, 2016 06:05pm

@Sithara in case of investment, technoogy shoud matter. worst technoogy from eu or usa is 1000 times better than best technoogy from china..........

UAE Oct 19, 2016 06:32pm

Chinese loan to PAK which PAK need to return . All the projects given to chinese companies . All the chinese company hired chinese employees . chinese companies will control product prices .

Projects Profit will go to china +loan interest which PAK will pay. Good deal for china ..and What is PAK worth ?

paul Oct 19, 2016 06:36pm

@Asif : Time will tell Bro.....no worries.

selva Oct 19, 2016 07:01pm

China's interest is only based on business. It needs Pakistan's land for its road connectivity across Pakistan's western boundary. So it offers some sort of help to Pakistan.

Akram Oct 19, 2016 07:19pm

It's true!!! Keep eyes on it!!!

Never forget the history my friends!!!!

They tell you!!! We come to help you!! We can help you in your business!!!! Then, they occupy everything and we have to fight again and again!!!! to get the freedom!!!

Ali Oct 19, 2016 07:57pm

This is not India and we are not Indians

Also, Chinaese are not Brits

KJ Oct 19, 2016 08:54pm

The primary motivation of CPEC for the Chinese is to create a 'shortcut' road for themselves and keep benefiting from that for years and years. The long term benefit (operating costs) far outweighs the short term (capital investment) costs. On such a long road, the Chinese trucks will travel from one end to another. In theory, there is a chance of communities developing along this road, but the question remains whether there will be enough money to be made by these communities with just some truckers passing through this route.

sam Oct 19, 2016 09:03pm

The Chinese are highly secretive and they think of themselves as more intelligent, civilised, and even deserving than others.

Hudaf Oct 19, 2016 09:10pm

The key driver for CPEC is China's need to protect it's access to Gulf oil.

CPEC will enable the Chinese army to move into the Gulf within 48 hours in case of a world war. Control of Gulf becomes critical in such a scenario as most of the Gulf countries are closely allied with USA. Moving oil from Gulf to China via a circuitous sea route would not be possible - where as the land route would be very safe.

CPEC related debts will indenture Pakistan to China - making it impossible to resist Chinese occupation.

M.Saeed Oct 19, 2016 10:47pm

Let it be by all means.

IMRAN NAZIR Oct 19, 2016 11:07pm

China will get the benefit of CPEC not pakistan and people of pakistan know this that's why they are holding march and protesting . There is no any kind of benefit for the PAK PEOPLE , there will be only MADE IN CHINA not MADE IN PAKISTAN as no one country spend money for the development of any country.

vrpatil Oct 19, 2016 11:10pm

Question is whether Pak has any other options........???

Haider Oct 19, 2016 11:23pm

East India coming brought Britain. Britain brought trains, best canal system, legislation, human rights, infrastructure and democracy. Was there anything wrong with it? China will govern Pakistan much better.

AA Oct 20, 2016 12:13am

Yes this worries me too...but the worst bit is that the chinese would also take away even the low level jobs and business opportunities

sri Oct 20, 2016 01:41am

@Asif :) so true. It is clear reading these comments that Indian folklore are a bit jealous of the friendship between Pakistan and China and something good that is happening. Does China want to dominate? They already do. They are a force to reckon with in this part of the world. China has a lot to lose if this project were not successful so why would they mess up a good thing. All will be well.

That said, i know nothing about what various partners are contributing to this project.

sri Oct 20, 2016 01:46am

@Haroon Salam Could it be that China stands to win while also letting its long time friend win. There is such a thing as win win. Who wins more and who wins less may be debatable...but this is a win-win game.

Sunil Mehta Oct 20, 2016 02:35am

@KJ

Transporting goods by road is far more expensive than transporting them by sea. I think CPEC's primary purpose is quick movement of troops as was also the reason behind Indian Railways.

Hazrat ali Oct 20, 2016 03:43am

@Viki they want the "cpec" to complete transparently,while the rest of planing is under the carpet which they did not expose clearly.

karoor Oct 20, 2016 04:30am

There are no free lunches in world politics. China is not offering this loan because they care about Pakistan but rather because this CPEC serves their interests. Please don't repeat the East India Company experience

PK Oct 20, 2016 08:05am

Chinese, as they have done in India, will gradually flood the Pakistan market with cheap Chinese products thereby killing the Pakistan Industry. This will have a far reaching consequence on Pakistan Economy with diminishing employment. Pak will have to tread cautiously in this path of CPEC.

PARVEZ PC CHOWDHURY Oct 20, 2016 09:16am

Unnecessary creating panic!. It will open a new ere for the People of Pakistan and china.

Anand Oct 20, 2016 09:20am

@Ahmad I'm surprised why no political party or civil population or media is questioning the contents of this contract with the Chinese....everything is vague..for instance if Pakistan will provide security for the trucks passing from the highway, then how will they be reimbursed for this? Is there a mechanism to collect tolls on these trucks? I doubt the Chinese will allow you to charge any toll since they are the one who are building the roads...Imran Khan went to convince the Chinese Envoy that they are not against CEPC but they should ask for the details of the contract to be shared with all political parties so everyone is on the same page...

JAWAHAR LAL Oct 20, 2016 10:13am

India has no major concern about CPEC. It is a development between two sovereign nations. However, since Pakistan is geographicaly part of Indian sub continent this major breach in the Himalayan range extention which has since times immemorial acted as a "sentry and pasbaan hamara" as described by Allama Iqbal becomes a matter academic interest. The Dragon will slither down the slopes and vast and beautiful landscape of Sind and Baluchistan to be welcomed by the warm embrace of Arabian Sea waters. China could'nt have wished for anything better. Pakistan deserves her full gratitude and in turn may get plates full of "Chow mein". Only time will tell how the project benefits people of Pakistan. If it does well and good.

mpp Oct 20, 2016 10:56am

CPEC would make parts of Pakistan where its route exist another un officially province of china as every thing would be control by china and Pakistani part only would be provided security and cheap labor to these chines man power and infractrutue . Chinese would be charge every penny for their investment as its on loan base as per units rate offered by chines on proudction under CPEC power project are very high.

Shoaib Ali Oct 20, 2016 01:53pm

China wants transit through Pakistan to get gas from middle east. I never understood why Pakistan is footing the bill and not China for this? Pakistan is going to be stuck with 54 billion dollar bill and higher interest rate. On the top of this, contract is being given to Chinese companies who will employ Chinese. Did our government really negotiate or just gave in for few suitcases?

down reader1 Oct 20, 2016 02:10pm

its like game people can,t understand ... don't believe fast think then write .. look this too ..http://www.dawn.com/news/1251860/raw-runs-special-cell-to-sabotage-cpec-says-secretary-defence

Subash Oct 20, 2016 03:41pm

Major portion of finance will be raised locally and not invested by Chinese. Major chunk of jobs taken by Chinese. But Chinese want to fix the tariff ! This project benefits china more than Pakistan as it gives access to China to use Gwadar port. As the project progresses some influential families will become very very rich and pak people will be burdened with a huge debt. Can not even imagine how long pak people will be burdened with this huge debt, leave alone giving loans to IMF !!

Pune-India Oct 20, 2016 04:20pm

@Asif : BECAUSE your CPEC is passing through JK a dispute part of India-Pakistan

Hudaf Oct 20, 2016 05:18pm

CPEC is an extremely important military project for China to safeguard its oil supply route - with CPEC, China will be able to move its army into the Gulf within 48 hours to acquire Gulf oilfields and ship the oil to China's factories on the East Coast thru' a safe land route.

China hence wants to get Pakistan deeeply in debt

M.Saeed Oct 20, 2016 07:39pm

@Pune-India : CPEC does not pass through Kashmir. It starts from Gwadar and ends at Balakot, a place in Hazara Distt. of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. From there, it joins the already existing Karakoram Highway also known as Shahrah e Resham which was jointly made by Pakistan and China from 1951 to 1976 in 25 years. It is one of the modern wonders of the world.

RamRam Oct 20, 2016 10:39pm

CPEC has huge potential to benefit the people of pakistan but it it clear from the way the whole project is being conducted that the common man will see little benefit. The way business is being done suits the Chinese they are the masters at offering sweetners to a select and privileged few who will make decisions by hook or by crook. The whole project should be transparent and hard negotiations should take place at each stage so pakistan can benefit. Somehow i think we will look back and not believe what and how things were allowed to be done.

Muzaffar Ali Oct 21, 2016 04:51am

There are no well wishers in the world....cannot transfer our leadership in matter of national interest to anyone, even our best friends.

njayanthkumar Oct 21, 2016 05:55am

CEPC will be extremely detrimental for Pakistan. Pakistani crafts man can not compete with Chinese goods. Pakistan will turn into big market for Chinese goods. Look at Indian experience. Today, Chinese cheap good has made carpenters, masons, clothe merchants, shoe makers, tailors etc. totally unemployed. People sale ready made goods. Indians are able to create value added jobs like call centers, outsourcing and software due to high quality cheap education. But, Pakistan will not be able to do so and Pakistani unskilled people will be completely unemployed.

For comparison, Electricity cost in China Rs. 2.50/ Kilowatt, India is Rs. 5/KW and Pakistan is Rs. 15/KW. How Pakistan manufacturer will be able to compete ?

China build Hydro power stations in 1980s.today even they cant produce at this price.

Reality Oct 21, 2016 06:45am

Most of these concerns (false) are coming from politicians who are not part of govt. In our flawed political system, any body who is not part of govt, considers it his moral right to speak against any project govt starts. Even PTI leadership is stupid enough to behave like opposition, even though thy are governing KPK. Even if China is doing for its own good and even if it proves to be a east india company, at lest there will be development. Did British disassembled all the infra structure and took away with them in 1947 - NO. Some one shall ask these disgraceful politicians what have they done for the country inspite of being part of various governments for decades.

deven Oct 21, 2016 09:37am

Reality finally dawns.

Surendra Singh Oct 21, 2016 11:17am

@Haider Ans so Pakistan, whose culture and ethos is as different from China as chalk and cheese is ready to become its vassal? Strange to hear this when you harp on self determination elsewhere!!

AQ Oct 21, 2016 12:34pm

Give and take policy.

These so called politicians are looking how much will be in there pockets, never and ever think for Pakistan. So thinking about Jobs and other benefits are dreams.

Friendship apart, Chinese all investment and dedication for his country only.

Israr_Ahmed Oct 21, 2016 01:31pm

We dont have any money. We have a lot of debt. We need some donor always. If these donors leave, then we will become bankrupt. Many Pakistanis are doing a lot of corruption, and this harms Pakistan, it loses its earning capacity. The outcome of all this would either be a disaster, or if God likes, we will have a leader who will clean our society from ills of corruption, and give us the direction we need. People thought Imran was that person, but I am not so much hopeful of him now.

victor Oct 21, 2016 03:02pm

@Ahmad , good concern ahmad, there nothing going to benefit your country, employment should be from local only, then only pakistan will get benefit from the project,

Manju Oct 22, 2016 12:20am

So wait, you mean to say China is building a road into Pakistan by employing mostly Chinese people with its own material but billing Pakistan(forcing Pakistan to take loans locally) for it,So that finally when the road gets completed it can export it's surplus good directly to middle east(mind you China doesn't import anything except oil for which longer sea route is cheaper). Instead they will build power plants(mostly coal based) as a return favour.Something looks fishy especially with both Chinese and middle eastern economies not doing so well.