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The backdrop of a stage shows portraits of Former President  Ayub Khan and Muhammad Ali Jinnah. — Photo by WhiteStar
The backdrop of a stage shows portraits of Former President Ayub Khan and Muhammad Ali Jinnah. — Photo by WhiteStar

Nationalism and patriotism in Pakistan are contested subjects. What makes us Pakistanis and what is it that makes us love our land and nation?



The answers to these questions vary widely depending on who is being asked. A large part of our national identity stems from our sense of history and culture that are deeply rooted in the land and in the legacy of the region’s ancient civilisations. Religion has also played a big part in making us what we are today. But the picture general history textbooks paint for us does not portray the various facets of our identity.



Instead it offers quite a convoluted description of who we are. The distortion of historical facts has in turn played a quintessential role in manipulating our sense of self. What’s ironic is that the boldest fallacies in these books are about the events that are still in our living memory.

Herald invited writers and commentators, well versed in history, to share their answers to what they believe is the most blatant lie taught through Pakistan history textbooks.



The fundamental divide between Hindus and Muslims


The most blatant lie in Pakistan Studies textbooks is the idea that Pakistan was formed solely because of a fundamental conflict between Hindus and Muslims. This idea bases itself on the notion of a civilisational divide between monolithic Hindu and Muslim identities, which simply did not exist.

The stress on religion ignored other factors that could cut across both identities. For instance, a Muslim from most of South India had far more in common, because of his regionally specific culture and language, with Hindus in this area than the Muslims in the north of the Subcontinent.


Similarly, the division of the historical narrative into a ‘Hindu’ and ‘Muslim’ period, aside from the ironic fact that this was actually instituted by the British, glosses over the reality that Islamic empires also fought each other for power. After all, Babar had to defeat Ibrahim Lodhi, and thus, the Delhi Sultanate, for the Mughal period to begin.

Therefore, power and empire building often trumped this religious identity, that textbooks claim, can be traced linearly right to the formation of Pakistan.


These textbooks tend to have snapshot descriptions of the contempt with which the two religious communities treated one another. This is specifically highlighted in descriptions of the Congress ministries formed after the elections of 1937.

Other factors that contributed historically to these shows of religious ‘contempt’ in South Asian history are often ignored. Indeed, Richard Eaton’s classic study of temple desecrations shows that in almost all cases where Hindu temples were ransacked, it was for political or economic reasons.

In most cases, it was because the Muslim ruler was punishing an insubordinate Hindu official. Otherwise, the Mughals protected such temples. Jumping ahead, this sort of inter-communal cooperation aimed at maintaining political control could also be seen in the Unionist Party, which was in power in Punjab all the way up until 1946.

As Pakistan was formed barely a year later, the notion that its formation was based on a long-standing and fundamental conflict between Hindus and Muslims is deeply problematic.


— Anushay Malik holds a PhD in history from University of London and is currently an assistant professor at the Lahore University of Management Sciences


Eulogising leaders


In his preface to the Muqaddimah, Ibn Khaldun warned of seven mistakes that he thought historians often committed. One of the seven is “the common desire to gain favour of those of high ranks, by praising them, by spreading their fame.”

This particular mistake, or lie rather, has plagued history writing for school texts in Pakistan since the 1950s and has been used as a political tool to project successive rulers – whether civilian or military – in a eulogistic format.


Moreover, another mindless inaccuracy is the absence of the ‘other’, where India and Congress are needlessly ignored and a one-sided version of history is deemed necessary for creating a nationalistic mindset.

This gap continues in the historical narrative for school students post-partition. Hence, some of the most blatant lies and subversion of historical facts exist in the textbooks mandated by the federal and provincial textbook boards.

Furthermore, maligning the ‘enemy’ is done quite overtly and mindlessly in official history school texts which, unfortunately, is also the case with some Indian school texts documented by discerning authors on both sides of the border.


Most nation states during the 19th and 20th centuries used official versions of history in order to create a homogenous and nationalistic identity. Pakistan’s first education minister, Fazalur Rehman, set up the Historical Society of Pakistan in 1948 so that history for the new nation could be rewritten in a fair and balanced manner using authentic and reliable sources.

Successive governments did not further this goal and history written for schools in Pakistan became the victim of fossilised textbook boards ratifying the work of unethical and unscholarly authors for public school consumption. Vested interests continue to triumph despite the open door policy since 2004 for private publishers to bid for quality textbooks.


— Ismat Riaz is an educational consultant and author of the textbook, Understanding History


Excluding and manipulating historical periods


The most blatant lie in textbook accounts of Pakistan’s history is by virtue of omission, which is in effect the denial of our multicultural, multi-ethnic and multi-religious past. It is a common complaint that Pakistan’s history is taught as if it began with the conquest of Sindh by the Umayyad army, led by the young General, Muhammad bin Qasim in 711 AD.

Most textbooks in Sindh at least do mention Moenjodaro and the Indus Valley civilisation, but it is not discussed in a meaningful way and there is no discussion about its extent and culture. Important periods and events during subsequent centuries are also skimmed over, like the Aryan civilisation which introduced its powerful social system and epic poetry (Mahabharata in which Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa play important roles), the Brahmin religion, a thousand years of Buddhism with its universities and the Gandharan civilisation which was spread throughout present day Pakistan.


No students of Pakistani schools can tell us that Pakistan was once part of the empires of Cyrus the Great and Darius of the Achaemenid Dynasty and later of the Sassanian Empire with the legendary rule of Naushirwan, “the Just”. Similarly, hardly anyone would be aware that Asoka whose capital was in Pataliputra in the east of the subcontinent also counted Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab as part of his domain.


The result of these omissions is disastrous on the minds of the youth in Pakistan. Instead of seeing themselves as heirs of many civilisations, they acquire a narrow, one-dimensional view of the world. This is contradicted by what they subsequently see in this global world of information technology and shared knowledge. That this is also in direct contravention of Islamic teachings does not occur to the perpetrators of a lopsided curriculum in our schools.

The first assertion in the Holy Quran is Iqra bi Ism I Rabik [and no restrictions are put on the acquisition of knowledge].


Instead, we have bans on books, digital platforms such as YouTube and even newspapers in this Islamic Republic of Pakistan.


— Hamida Khuhro is a historian and former education minister for Sindh


The other view


Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan accompanied by members of Muslim League.
Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan accompanied by members of Muslim League.

To say a large part of Pakistan’s history is shared with India would be stating the obvious. Yet it is this period of both our histories, or the portrayal of such, that is tampered with the most and has been used as a political tool by either side. The Herald invited renowned Indian historian and currently a Jawaharlal Nehru Fellow, Mushirul Hasan, to give his take on the lies taught through textbooks on both sides of the border.


History is only of use for its lessons, and it is the duty of the historian to see that they are properly taught. Very few in the subcontinent heed this advice. Both in India and Pakistan the intellectual climate has thrown the historical profession into disarray.

Such is the power and influence of the polemicists that a growing number of people are abandoning the quest for an objective approach. With the recent appointment of a Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS)-oriented Chairman of the Indian Council for Historical Research, liberal and secular historians are worried about the future of their discipline.


The diversity of approaches has been the hallmark of Indian historiography. As a result, the making of Pakistan and its evolution as a nation state is interpreted differently in various quarters.

The ghosts of partition was put to rest and not exhumed for frequent post-mortems. Moreover, the liberal-left historians did not repudiate the idea of Pakistan. On the contrary, they criticised the Congress stalwarts for failing to guide the movements they initiated away from the forces of reactionary communalism.

This was true of Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and Ram Manohar Lohia, the Socialist leader. The Maulana, in particular, charged Nehru for jettisoning the plan for a Congress-Muslim coalition in 1937 and the prospect of an enduring Hindu-Muslim partnership.


Tara Chand’s three-volume History of the Freedom Movement in India held its ground until the Janata government decided, in 1977, to rewrite the secular textbook. With the establishment of the BJP-led government in October 1999, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-RSS combination began its subversion of academia through its time-tested method of infiltration and rewriting of textbooks and ‘fine-tuning’ of curricula.

Saffronisation of education will breed fanaticism, heighten caste and communitarian consciousness, and stifle the natural inclination of a student to cultivate a balanced and cautious judgement. Increasingly, it may be difficult for some of us to establish historical truths or to defend the cult of objective historical inquiry.


As the radical currents are being swept aside by the winds of right-wing discourse, it is pertinent to recall the Saidian (Edward Said) dictum that “nothing disfigures the intellectuals’ public performance as much trimming, careful silence, patriotic bluster, and retrospective of self-dramatising prophecy.”

The story in Pakistan runs on different lines. Starting with I.H. Qureshi and Aziz Ahmad, scholars in our neighbours have tenaciously adhered to the belief that the creation of the Muslim nation was the culmination of a ‘natural’ process.

They have pressed into service the ‘two-nation’ theory to define nationality in purely Islamic terms. In the process, they have turned a blind eye to the syncretic and composite trajectory of Indian society, which began with Mohammad Iqbal’s memorable lines Ae Aab-e-Rood-e-Ganga! Woh Din Hain Yaad Tujh Ko? Utra Tere Kinare Jab Karwan Humara [Oh, waters of the river Ganges! Do you remember those days? Those days when our caravan halted on your bank?].

The same poet talked of “Naya Shiwala”, a temple of peace and goodwill. Again, the same poet gave lessons of religious understanding and tolerance in yet another poet.


Sadly, these thoughts are hardly reflected in our textbooks. We don’t emphasise the virtue of living with diversity and sharing social and cultural inheritances. We don’t introduce our students to the vibrant legacy of Kabir, Guru Nanak, Akbar, and Dara Shikoh. Instead, we dwell on the imaginary kufr-o-imaan ki jung, on the destruction of temples and forcible conversions. Increasingly, young students are introduced to the Islamist or the Hindutva world views that have caused incalculable damage to State and civil society.


Saadat Hasan Manto described an existentialist reality – the separation of people living on both sides who had a long history of cultural and social contact – and the paradoxical character of borders being a metaphor of the ambiguities of nation-building. He offered, without saying so, a way of correcting the distortions inherent in state-centered national histories.

Ayesha Jalal is right in pointing out that as “old orthodoxies recede before the flood of fresh historical evidence and earlier certitudes are overturned by newly detected contradictions”, this is the time to heal “the multiple fractures which turned the promised dawn of freedom into a painful moment of separation”.


In the words of the poet Ali Sardar Jafri:

Tum aao gulshan-e-Lahore se chaman bardosh, Hum Aayein subh-e-Benaras ki roshni le kar, Himalaya ke hawaaon ki taazigi le kar, aur uss ke baad yeh poochein ke kaun dushaman hai? .. [You come forward with flowers from the Garden of Lahore, We bring to you the light and radiance of the morning of Benaras, The freshness of the winds of Himalayas, And then we ask who the enemy is?].


Wars with India


The most blatant lies in Pakistani history textbooks are about the events that are still in our living memory. Among the many examples, the three given below are about the wars of 1965 and 1971, and the partition carnage of 1947. The reason for the falsehood lies in our distorted view of nationalism. Rather than letting children learn from our historical mistakes, we show them a false picture. Thus we are doomed to repeat these mistakes generation after generation.


The following excerpt regarding the 1965 war is taken from fifth grade reading material published by the NWFP Textbook Board, Peshawar in 2002 — “The Pakistan Army conquered several areas of India, and when India was at the verge of being defeated she ran to the United Nations to beg for a cease-fire. Magnanimously, thereafter, Pakistan returned all the conquered territories to India.”

The Punjab Textbook Board published the following text on the causes for the separation of East Pakistan in 1993 for secondary classes — “There were a large number of Hindus in East Pakistan. They had never truly accepted Pakistan. A large number of them were teachers in schools and colleges.

They continued creating a negative impression among students. No importance was attached to explaining the ideology of Pakistan to the younger generation.

The Hindus sent a substantial part of their earnings to Bharat, thus adversely affecting the economy of the province. Some political leaders encouraged provincialism for selfish gains. They went around depicting the central Government and (the then) West Pakistan as enemy and exploiter. Political aims were thus achieved at the cost of national unity.”


“While the Muslims provided all sorts of help to those non-Muslims desiring to leave Pakistan [during partition], people of India committed atrocities against Muslims trying to migrate to Pakistan. They would attack the buses, trucks and trains carrying the Muslim refugees and murder and loot them.” The latter excerpt was taken from an intermediate classes textbook — Civics of Pakistan, 2000.

Some more examples of totally contorted and misleading, yet ingenious and amusing, narrations of the history of Pakistan can be extracted from a single text, A Textbook of Pakistan Studies by M. D. Zafar.


“Pakistan came to be established for the first time when the Arabs led by Muhammad bin Qasim occupied Sindh and Multan. Pakistan under the Arabs comprised the Lower Indus Valley.”

“During the 11th century the Ghaznavid Empire comprised what is now Pakistan and Afghanistan. During the 12th century the Ghaznavids lost Afghanistan and their rule came to be confined to Pakistan”.


“By the 13th century Pakistan had spread to include the whole of Northern India and Bengal. Under the Khiljis Pakistan moved further South to include a greater part of Central India and the Deccan”.

“During the 16th century, ‘Hindustan’ disappeared and was completely absorbed in ‘Pakistan”.

“Shah Waliullah appealed to Ahmad Shah Durrani of Afghanistan and ‘Pakistan’ to come to the rescue of the Muslims of Mughal India, and save them from the tyrannies of the Marhattas…”

“In the Pakistan territories where a Sikh state had come to be established, the Muslims were denied freedom of religion.”

“Thus by the middle of the 19th century both Pakistan and Hindustan ceased to exist; instead British India came into being. Although Pakistan was created in August 1947, yet except for its name, the present-day Pakistan has existed, as a more or less single entity for centuries.”


— A. H. Nayyar is a physicist and retired professor. He co-edited an SDPI report titled “The Subtle Subversion: The State of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan.


Pakistan was made for Muslims


Dawn newspaper announces the death of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, September 12, 1948.
Dawn newspaper announces the death of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, September 12, 1948.

The most blatant lie that covers page after page of history textbooks is that Pakistan was created for the promotion and propagation of religion. In fact, when the Muslim League was established in Dhaka in 1906, one of the foremost principles was the creation of loyalty to the British rulers and to promote greater understanding between Muslims and the British government.

The idea of religion barely entered the discourse of the Muslim League until the elections of 1937, when the League lost elections and the Congress won decisively. It was at that time that religious nationalism was invoked vigorously to create a feeling of unity among the Muslims of Uttar Pardesh (UP), Bengal and Punjab in order to provide the League an ideational basis of support.


Pakistan was mainly created for the protection and promotion of the class interests of the landed aristocracy which formed the League. The meeting at which the League was formed was attended mainly by the landed elite which feared that if the British left India and representative government was established, the traditional power of the loyal Muslim aristocracy would erode, especially since the class composition of the Congress reflected the educated urban and rural middle classes seeking upward mobility and a share in political power.

The peasant movement in Bengal was mobilised for purely political purposes since its aims and ideology conflicted radically with those of the landed aristocracy.


The urban educated middle classes of UP which joined the League later and enunciated the Hindu-Muslim difference argument in 1940, eschewed Muslim nationalism soon after independence because it had outlived its political use. The nature of the state outlined by the educated urban class in 1947 was based on a pluralistic vision of a state based on religious and citizenship equality.

— Rubina Saigol is a scholar and has authored several books on education and society and co-edited books on feminism and gender.

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Comments (301) Closed



Rafi Ka Deewana
Aug 15, 2014 05:35pm

Wow! I knew the Pakistani history was off, but to this extent!

Bangladesh war is such a recent phenomenon, so the description above really made me laugh.

There has to be a limit to how much you can twist the facts. Let us hope the new internet generation will learn the real truth - pleasant or not - and accept it.

Zaid
Aug 15, 2014 05:38pm

Thanks for writing the article. Bookmarked to read at home in peace

Lyallpuri
Aug 15, 2014 05:42pm

This all is a glimpse of intentional mistakes. If you read any Punjab Text Book Board book, English, Urdu, Physics, Chemi.......you will feel that you are reading Islamiayat in one way or another.

Sudhanshu Swami
Aug 15, 2014 05:44pm

We can understand why despite of giving lots of evidences and references by Indian "trolls", a Pakistani commenter on various online forums never want to accept those. It is because if they were taught like this since their earlier childhood, a big lie is established deep into hearts. It is now impossible and they will always say that youtube is wrong, wikipedia is wrong, India is wrong, USA is wrong, historians are wrong, even their own nationals Najam Sethi, Hoodbhoy, Hasan nisar are traitors. They easily believe conspiracy theories because this suits to their belief. Due to this, few people make money by selling emotions. (for ex. one guy with topi) Nobody want to discuss how Gujrat riot started. How babri mosque came to existence, when was last namaz was offered there. most of them have tiny number of examples of clashes while totally ignoring that much more clashes took place in much smaller Pakistan and led to destruction of religious places (mosques) and killing people.

H L
Aug 15, 2014 05:45pm

I appreciate an excellent article on this subject. I m amazed at how many lies we have read,learn t and accepted.

May Allah give us wisdom and we learn to support the "Truth" and guide ourselves and our younger generations on right path.

Please provide some additional reading materials for us "the lost generation" so that we can set our records straight.

Bad am I
Aug 15, 2014 05:49pm

Dude, had the two nation theory not been in place, we would have had a unified India where both Muslims and Hindus would have been killing each other. You are right though that this whole separational independence was hijacked then by the aristocrats who came under the aegis of Jinnah and later hijacked the country.

ifty saeed
Aug 15, 2014 05:51pm

Must read are Mumtaz Muftis "Hind Yaatra" and "Muslim Separatisim in India" by Abdul Hamid

Rafi Ka Deewana
Aug 15, 2014 05:52pm

@ H L: Google it. It's all there. But very important - read with an open mind.

Adnan Umer
Aug 15, 2014 05:57pm

Thank you for identifying our mistakes. Very informative and logical compilation ...

operate
Aug 15, 2014 05:57pm

excellent writing and facts. hope people read this and learn

sunny
Aug 15, 2014 06:08pm

This is excellent article and wish for a day when the majority in Pakistan thinks and corrects its mistake. the mistake of hating and spreading hate and we in India will much appreciate it from our neighbor and will love them. Lets be true friends neighbors. Lets progress on both sides. Lets have electricity ,clean water ,medical facilities on both sides. Lets have education available for people on both sides.

Dr Saad
Aug 15, 2014 06:11pm

What pack of blatant lies!

Syed Fraz Ali
Aug 15, 2014 06:28pm

A bitter truth that have to be address to all our new generation.

Aslam Shaikh
Aug 15, 2014 06:31pm

Sure! There was and there is no conflict between Muslims and Hindus. No religious fundamentalists destroy mosques. No rioting happens and no Muslim's life, property and 'izzat' are ever in danger. No Hindus were involved in scheming with British. Wow! We should really rewrite history and clean and forget all the things that happened in 1947.

Biju K.T
Aug 15, 2014 06:38pm

Welcome assessment. I hope one day this nation will tread the path of secularism as laid out by the great Quaid-e-Azam. In India even if there are hardcore elements but liberals and secularists still have their sway. Unfortunately we don't hear sane voices from Pakistan except from the media.

Aslam Shaikh
Aug 15, 2014 06:39pm

@Lyallpuri I think you will be happy when some beautiful pictures are involved with studies. How about Michael Jackson, Ms. Spears, Mr. Lincoln, Mr Bush. Also include music and dance education after each class. I think you would love that.

Anon
Aug 15, 2014 06:41pm

That last one seems to be purely opinion.... an interpretation of the facts into a rather restricted view....

IN
Aug 15, 2014 06:47pm

Wow what a great Independence Day gift. Still none wants to turn the clock back, happy the way we are. Patel and Nehru were brilliant in letting Pakistan secede. Let Bharat stay. This is our destiny. And good luck to Pakistan.Bookmarking me too, to read this at leisure.

Rafi Ka Deewana
Aug 15, 2014 06:49pm

Many of these "Heros" who came from the west were butchers - worse than any we have known lately. Most of the sub-continent was Hindu / Buddhist at that time. This means most of the current Pakistanis' forefathers were tormented, looted, and murdered.

The current day Pakistanis glorify them Just because they were Muslims! This is what many of us Indian "trolls" fail to understand.

Rafi Ka Deewana
Aug 15, 2014 06:50pm

@Dr Saad - I assume this is a sarcasm.

yogesh
Aug 15, 2014 06:52pm

Pakistanis has adopted different religion over the history. They should become atheist now.

Iqbal bhai
Aug 15, 2014 06:53pm

I am sorry but i don't agree or even swallow: "Pakistan was mainly created for the protection and promotion of the class interests of the landed aristocracy which formed the League."

Shamim
Aug 15, 2014 06:59pm

I juts fished watching a 6 hour DVD documentary titled Story of India by Michael Wood last night and today I read this article. What a perfect timing !!!
Thank you Dawn for enlightening us.

think_then_speak
Aug 15, 2014 07:06pm

A good commentary by Ms Saigol. If the real history is to be taught, many myths about the contours of our present identity would stand less certain and open to doubt. The project of forming the ideology of Pakistan had been and still remains limited to a few myopic, self-oppointed people who find a great satisfaction in distortion and mayhem. The people who are in majority are not willing to take initiative, leaving the leadership to create a reactionary identity for the people of Pakistan. Freedom is sweet and a moment of defiance initiates it, but sustaining it need much wisdom and patience which our people lack and critically require.

Mushtaq
Aug 15, 2014 07:07pm

@all readers here, bashing Pakistani history: I am not defending what is written in history. This is the spirit of independence that a news paper is given the right to write whats on the mind of the Writer unlike a so called the Largest democracy on earth (sure it is due to its population on the earth) neighboring country. If they would publish any such article, everyone, including Muslims living there, would bash it, especially their "media" which is more like a drama and not journalism. The first step to rectify a mistake is to recognize it. Let's pick books from both nations and see who is teaching what. Compare apple to an apple, and it will clear our minds.

zak
Aug 15, 2014 07:13pm

Pakistan was created with the yearning of living in an environment that was guided by the Islamic principles which encompassed non Muslims who also wanted to live under the same environment. As Qaide e Azam said, 'India is neither a nation nor a country but a sub continent with different nationalities'. S subcontinent cannot be made into a country it wont work as is proven with India which cannot get out of the poverty trap and social degradation. See India history books and you will see fantasy at its best a bit like the 'Babri Masjid' destruction. Reason given, Lord Ram stepped the same place 5000 years ago? I guess some one was around as witness,

allaisa
Aug 15, 2014 07:24pm

What is the most blatant lie taught through Pakistan textbooks?

Everything.

AK
Aug 15, 2014 07:27pm

@Dr Saad Why is it a pack lies?

Zeeshan Ahmed
Aug 15, 2014 07:33pm

I think the biggest lie we have been taught is that Pakistan won the wars against India.

Atam Vetta
Aug 15, 2014 07:45pm

@Bad am I; Perhaps; but we do know that now Muslims are killing Muslims in Pakistan.

sandip
Aug 15, 2014 07:54pm

At last, the lies exposed!

zak
Aug 15, 2014 07:57pm

Still harping on non issues 68 years ago when Pakistan is currently determining its future destiny by Azadi and Inqalab march'.

rick
Aug 15, 2014 08:06pm

@Dr Saad Are you Doctor in Islaamiyat?

Hello
Aug 15, 2014 08:08pm

I am surprise and also congratulate Dawn to take steps in this directions. Unless such wrong facts are removed from text book, we can hardly ever see peace.

Now I understand why my Pakistani counterpart will not agree to facts.

Ray Pakhtun
Aug 15, 2014 08:09pm

@Dr Saad --Please share with us with the truth revealed to you. Thanks in anticipation.

Ahmer
Aug 15, 2014 08:12pm

@Iqbal bhai: Read from different materials with open mind. You will notice as I have as well that not many reasons were there to carve a country out on the basis of religion / religious background. If only League and Congress could sit together and sort their differences out in the better interest of their followers; India could have stayed as it should have been. We all would have been a lot more prosperous, open minded and educated.

By letting Pakistan came into being, Congress (has more burden of guilt being the larger party in my opinion; but League also carries part of the burden as didn't try enough) allowed both nations to be dragged in misery, poverty & lack of education for a very long time.

gopal
Aug 15, 2014 08:13pm

Looking back, it seems it was a very good decision by Sardar Patel and Nehru to divide India.

Affan
Aug 15, 2014 08:17pm

Superb piece.....hope you will also put out this master piece in urdu...so u can reach a common man as much as possible

Krishna
Aug 15, 2014 08:24pm

Sorry to say, but this explains the state of Pakistan as it stands today.

Manoj
Aug 15, 2014 08:25pm

One word for the article... Brilliant .. It shows few Pakistanis have guts to tell the truth and Pakistan still has hope.

John
Aug 15, 2014 08:25pm

With this education how does Muslim Pakistan expect to come to peace with Hindus? Coming to peace would also be a Pakistan's mercy. step.

Hafeez,Canada
Aug 15, 2014 08:38pm

History is not off record but self evolving... In fact formation of Pakistan started during the Mutiny or war of independence of 1857. The mutiny was started by mainly Hindus then joined by Muslims sepoys. After the defeat of Mughals the major Vengeance of mutiny was against Muslims, while Hindus were rewarded(they even bought mosques to convert them to stables and warehouses in Delhi). Muslims the former ruling class etc were not allowed to enter Delhi(so much so that former noble women were forced to beg for food) for two years and all those inside were hanged indiscriminately. Urdu and Persian was removed as official language. Even Urdu is no longer recognized Indian language but its called Hindi.The whole bleeding saga is written in detail by William Dalrymple in " The last Mughal". The episode of margnilizing of Indian Muslims continued and continued today so much so that Jaswant Singh wrote in his book that it was Nehru and Hindu pandits who were not willing to offer anything to Muslims and Jinnah. So briefly it was religious, ethnic and economic divide which led to partition.

Hasham Usmani
Aug 15, 2014 08:42pm

An amazing article, something I longed to see on the forefront for a while now. I, as a liberal Pakistani, and a student of history, have been trying my level best to educate as many as I could for all these points and a lot more but yes, this is a far better platform.

One request is to translate this very article in Urdu and publish it soon in any of te mainstream Urdu newspapers since the majority who have been living under the illusion and defend the lies blatantly are it well versed in English so the Urdu piece would make a big difference

Ray Pakhtun
Aug 15, 2014 08:43pm

@Dr Saad --Doctor sahib, will you please share the truth known to you to set the record straight? Thanks.

Sridhar
Aug 15, 2014 08:46pm

Distorting history is something most people in power engage in. It is the ultimate in self-justifcation and preserving the image of self however untrue it may be. Fundamentalism is opposed to truth as any challenge to their strongly held beliefs is threatening. More a fundamentalist you are, be it for political or religious reasons, you want to control the masses through carefully doctored and filtered information. What better than school textbooks. That is the scourge in Pakistan. I can honestly say, that our textbooks in India, till 1977 did not have such bias. Thanks to the information revolution, people have access to diverse interpretations of history. With newly gained insights, eventually, people will throw the rascals out. I earnestly hope.

Jim
Aug 15, 2014 08:49pm

@gopal Not good, GREAT, Thank God I don't live in India, Gujraat riots 2002!

Harmony
Aug 15, 2014 08:50pm

Fair enough that distorted history is taught here at schools but the ones who know do know about the reality. At least here is an attempt to highlight and criticise the problem. But those feeling smug about history books in Indian schools must realise that the writer has not suggested its perfect there.

Mehmood
Aug 15, 2014 08:59pm

Thanks a lot for the writer who opened our eyes and allow us to read the truth behind the making of Pakistan. But unfortunately our text books what depicts is still to be change and when this issue come under discussion that students should allow to read truth then several religious , liberal and so called patriotic forces start discussion either the making of Pakistan is the need of muslims or the need of the elite class as mention above in the column. And the problem still remain unresolved. Misguidance, hiding truth from the nations and use people emotions just for benefiting them selves is the part and parcel of the day and same is going on in the form of procession of PTI and PAT.

Amin
Aug 15, 2014 09:01pm

A silly effort with vested interests to distort the historical fact that the only difference between a Hindu and a Muslim is religion period.

Hassaan Abdullah
Aug 15, 2014 09:28pm

I think that not all textbooks do that. My Pakistani O-Levels History textbook criticized Yahya Khan for his conduct in 1971 and even talked of Buddha.

Nsci
Aug 15, 2014 09:39pm

All countries have done things in the past they aren't proud of, but denial and passing misinformation to the next generation is only going to stymie the chance to learn from those mistakes and progress. Hope the citizens of Pakistan understand that. Reading this article reminded me of why I started reading dawn in the first place. May the voice of reason prevail always.

MD
Aug 15, 2014 09:40pm

The nation that ignores the past will be denied tomorrow.

Nabeel Khan
Aug 15, 2014 09:43pm

@Sudhanshu Swami . Agreed and unfortunately there will always be people denying these facts. We need to ignore them and work with like minded people for a better future for all.

Fahad
Aug 15, 2014 09:45pm

Dilawar Khan
Aug 15, 2014 09:46pm

Thought provoking article. Fascinating true lies. I always imagined why 'Pakistanis always think about conspiracies and blame others'. This piece of writings answered me very well. Many thanks and I request to keep such information coming on way. Regards.

AAfromUSA
Aug 15, 2014 09:55pm

@Manoj We hope there should come a few Indians forward and have guts to tell the truth too.

Manjul Pant
Aug 15, 2014 10:08pm

@AAfromUSA We have guts to accept what we lost .... In india every Indian knows that we have lost the war with china in 1962... ...

safi
Aug 15, 2014 10:14pm

@Sudhanshu Swami writer is true to some extent - distortion of history. Q is that why we were compelled to do. Why Muslim League was formed and quaid e Azam left congress. There was and is difference between both nations i.e Hindu and Muslim thats why riots in gujrat, babri mosque, burning of train. these issues are triggering atrocities. Modi past is manifest of same mind set and ultimately of complete country. i say by summing up that religion conflict was there ( some what dormant) but after 1940 it got intense. initially may be it was held up as both were demanding independence share from Britain. thnx

S. Deshpande
Aug 15, 2014 10:15pm

Kudos to Dawn. It is real enlightenment to Pak Populace. You have said it! The outcome of such distortions is only hatred. History is history. If learnt properly and factually do we progress. What does India got to do with, it is ultimately the citizens of Pak are misled. What is the need to do it? Fortunately, in India there are no omissions or mis-representations of history. Believe me I am a PG, not once in any syllabus have I come across any hatred or biased information regarding Pakistan. After completion of studies, I have come to the conclusion that the partition should not have happened. There are no two thoughts about this British and British are the only reason. Perhaps we cannot undo this now. The new generation there should exploit the opportunities with economically growing India and partner trade, development, education and entertainment. Suresh Deshpande, Pune

QE X
Aug 15, 2014 10:23pm

Has anyone read Indian school textbooks? They state Taj Mahal and Red Fort were designed and commissioned by Hindus. If you think Pakistan is bad, our 'newly-civilized' neighbour which we much admire is well-ahead when it comes to revisionist history. Does it mean that it is OK for our textbooks to have dubious historical 'facts'? No, of course not. But we should keep it in perspective. Any nation state requires some sort of common narrative to maintain the legitimacy of the government's rule over all lands - this even applies to the US, where the founding fathers are revered with religious fervour, and a sacrosanct heroic narrative is woven tightly around their lives. So let's stop acting shocked and horrified...the only thing shocking for me are the bland, generalized and sweeping assertions of Anushay Malik...God save us from such pseudo-academics, they will lead us from one blind alley to another.

Saad Zafar
Aug 15, 2014 10:23pm

@Manoj We aren't afraid to discuss and explore our flaws. Indians too need to be a bit more introspective rather than overly defendant of their opinions.

KGB
Aug 15, 2014 10:52pm

Prof. Malik provides an intriguing idea loosely based of another book but she fails to convey what are the factors which makes up the lies. She keeps on making a claim without backing it up. She doesn't answer the reasons.

Tirang
Aug 15, 2014 11:08pm

It doesn't matter. Pakistan is a reality today. What all Pakistanis and Indians need to remember is this:

Live and Let Live. This human life is more precious than an unknown after life. Value human life. Our Smiles and Sadness are the same. They don't have a religion label. This applies to both Indian/Pakistani readers. Religion is like food. When taken in right proportion it nourishes the body. When over taken, it causes obesity and disease.

Good Luck to all. As a realist, All i say to every person reading this is to not forget past mistakes. All I am asking everyone is to give benefit of doubt to your perceived "enemy" and create a fulfilling life for our progeny.

Enjoy.

Usman Ksana
Aug 15, 2014 11:12pm

a comprehensive article....the maker of such blatant lies were also those who preferred personal interests over the public interests....the ignorant Pakistani seemed to them ideal for misleading..they were aware that this nation is more emotional than rational ...so they steered their emotions towards their own ends....

Usama
Aug 15, 2014 11:13pm

@Lyallpuri Reading Physics and Chemistry and feeling like its Islamiat....! there are many other ways to blame islamization than this lame one...!

Ra
Aug 15, 2014 11:19pm

all national narratives are constructions. how is slavery, colonialism, genocide of native indians in the 'new world', or numerous interventions in latin america covered in the main stream didactic discourse of US of A ? the biggest most powerful democracy.there is always a feel good blanket and facelift provided to past so it becomes something operative and functional. a nation constantly stricken by self doubt can never stand around any core values. a 'nation' has to be vary of detractors and enemies by strengthening her self-reflexive image,this being downright realist assessment of International relation ,not a paranoid one. i am not affirming doctored history, but revisionist accounts can be disenchanting and counterproductive to a narrative formation. i fully support more balanced and less mythologized history. there can be a holistic representation without the pronounced polarization.

but the most important thing is the need at this critical juncture with all that is exploding around us for such textual deliberations on part of herald. we need to move on from debating the formative influences or their historical framing, we need a more egalitarian social organization and corrective self criticism for the status quo .

naeem jan
Aug 15, 2014 11:20pm

i think and i must say, I believe,that the truth lies some where in between..one sided picture of the things do produce stereotyped minds..but studies like these are also the partial story..the abuse of religion is going on since the last 1400 years..but itself..its the most beautiful understanding of reality one could ever imagine..i love it to be the basis of the land where I live.. i see no other way to explain it..may the truth prevail but truth can never stand on false legs..

Freeman
Aug 15, 2014 11:21pm

Truth is hard to say and even harder to digest. A good start towards a long journey towards truth. Hope people will not take it personally and think rationally, ignoring sarcasm coming from some Indian readers.

Amit
Aug 15, 2014 11:34pm

Truth can be suppressed but can't remain hidden for ages, great & an eye opener atricle, thanks Dawn. Not sure, why Pakistan & India can progress together? when countries like US & Japan can work together where one had nuked another, why can't we move on?

uzi
Aug 15, 2014 11:37pm

nice ..

Black Sabbath
Aug 15, 2014 11:39pm

I can only imagine, what a great country it would have been today had India & Pakistan not separated. We may fight with each other from afar but when we meet each other realize that we are indeed the same.

vijay
Aug 15, 2014 11:50pm

Great article!! I advise my pakistani brothers to read indian textbooks to get the actual facts. I never read of anything like that tajmhal and redforts were were built by hindus. In india we are never taught anything wrong about pakistan and MA jinnah. We belive that MA Jinnah promoted hindu Muslim unity. It were only the British who divided us.

Lucky Star
Aug 16, 2014 12:07am

Too big article for me to read!

El Cid
Aug 16, 2014 12:23am

@Black Sabbath:"when we meet each other realize that we are indeed the same."

No, we are not ! The difference between you and me is like night and Day !!

Rahul
Aug 16, 2014 12:46am

I hope dawn scrutinises Indian history textbooks too because they are full off too.

Harish Chandra
Aug 16, 2014 01:00am

History must be written based on the facts to enable the future generation to learn from it. As India and Pakistan are writing the history based on the bias, it will only help in creating mistrust among each other. I have seen in some media in India; the commentators are spitting venom on the other religion because some political parties want to create a vote bank based on religious belief. If both the countries text books contain only true depiction of the events leading to the partition and the events happened post-partitions; then the future generations of the both countries will understand each other and will have cordial relation between each other.

Bhushan
Aug 16, 2014 01:15am

surprise to see this article which tells blatant truth about educational blunders in Pakistan.Hope this long march brings true democracy to this land which was once part of mother India.

claire
Aug 16, 2014 01:15am

Jinnah, after loosing (muslim league lost elections to congress) in 1937 like a smart lawyer changed the narrative and sowed the seeds of islamisation. This idea suited elite muslim/ landed aristocracy of time to serve their own purpose. Hence, Pakistan.

Ancient history teaches that western raiders tormented forefathers of the people of continent and Pakistan in particular. Can anyone argue that by and large Islam was imposed and not naturally adapted by largely Hindu and Buddhist people?

Good article

Ganga Din
Aug 16, 2014 01:25am

Ayub Khan's period was the most prosperous and peaceful time.

Naeem Mazhar
Aug 16, 2014 01:42am

Kindly translate it into Urdu, and publish in all the Urdu newspapers of Pakistan.

A Proud Pakistani
Aug 16, 2014 02:12am

Honestly, I am least astonished by this article. Isn't it a universal practice? History books around the world always put distorted facts and figures before general public. Just for your information: According to the text books in US, they have won the infamous Vietnam war. Similarly, history books in Great Britain tells their people that Muslims lost the crusades by attrition. So, why do we always highlight Pakistanis only, no one is saint in this world.

Sajid Ansari
Aug 16, 2014 02:16am

@Sudhanshu Swami, This whole debate is moot and about different thought processes of people involved. The way I see it, we should be thankful that we have Pakistan now, and we love it, and let us spend our energy to make it the best place in the world to be. What would be achieved by debating about the past that is not reversible? I cannot read the mind of leaders who were living through the situation 60 - 70 years ago and were convinced that the muslims of subcontinent need their own homeland. Both India and Pakistan can spin the heck out of history now to promote their angle. Our people have lots of basic issues to handle and that is where the focus should be. Let us deal with poverty, lack of education, lawlessness, disrespect for women, cultural, racial, and religious biases, child abuse, etc. etc.

VIjay
Aug 16, 2014 02:39am

Can't comment on other parts of India, but at least in my province, our books rarely took a position on contentious issues. Of course, we had teachers who were biased. Yes, the Kashmir issue is probably an exception. The principles on the basis of which the subcontinent was partitioned clearly meant Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan.But little does principle matter in the world of realpolitik

Mahesh Vyas
Aug 16, 2014 03:03am

It is high time both India and Pakistan correct historical facts.

Chowdhury-Mohsin
Aug 16, 2014 03:06am

In fact the statement in punjab textbook is true. If you looking back to 60s most school and colleges or if we can say education sector of Bangladesh was dominated by Hindus. It has a dramatic changed after liberation. This is a article you can relate the most part of the world because politicians changed things in their ideological way which is easier for them to rules the society for their interes not for society interest

rajesh mittal
Aug 16, 2014 03:30am

There are blatant lies being perpetuated in the mainstream media in the present. A new set of mythologies are being created to venerate the man who is our new PM. Last year we were told that this man single-handedly rescued 18,000 people from the flash floods of Uttarakhand.

m.k.passa
Aug 16, 2014 04:10am

two wrongs do not make one right!

Fahad
Aug 16, 2014 04:19am

I agree with the writer that historic facts can be twisted as I also believe that the facts highlighted by the author of this article may also be well twisted.

For whatever reason Pakistan was created, it exists now and is alive. We love Pakistan and we want it to progress. This is the only true fact now MS. Author.

Let us focus over energies to write articles that unites us and defines us as Muslims.

Vorshal
Aug 16, 2014 04:54am

Well done organizers. More like this can be done for some websites too propagating totally farce information instead of history.

Great and very bold initiative!

Sir.Kumciser
Aug 16, 2014 06:27am

Pakistan text books are a Pack of Lies

Hassan Syed
Aug 16, 2014 07:21am

The only purpose these articles serve is to take the respect away for the leadership at that time and raise questions about the identity of Pakistan. What are they suggesting, let's annex Pakistan with India because it was all wrong?

If you read these articles, you can clearly see that these are all opinions. There are no direct references for the claims being made. This is not a scholarly debate, rather an attempt to raise questions the intent of people 70 years ago. I cannot tell intent of people today, let alone talk about what people had in their hearts 70 years in the past. One can always have a subjective opinion based on what they would like to believe and it should be respected but opinions should not be mixed with facts.

The divide between the two groups and mistrust existed and was a political reality at the time of partition. Yes, there are similarities and common grounds now and there were similarities 70 years ago. However, England was ready to evacuate and no broker existed to make both parties talk so the natural outcome was that they parted ways.

Actual fact is that people in Muslim majority provinces voted for Muslim League and they voted democratically based on their Muslim identity. Right or wrong, that was the fact and no one can change it. Now you can talk about that religious sentiments were drummed up or people were exploited, etc., but this is called democracy.

Ashok R.Prabhu
Aug 16, 2014 07:28am

By twisting the History,we are cheating ourselves.

genesis
Aug 16, 2014 07:40am

History has become a tool in the hands of politicians and party hacks who wish to push their version of History on the genrations to come with the fond hope they will have an indoctrinated genration beleivng this to be truth.Unfortunatley the History of such regimes proves to be different like the communists who glorified their party only to collapse and this will be true of the few surviving communist regimes whose time too will come.

syed
Aug 16, 2014 07:52am

@Hafeez,Canada The writer must now hide face after your comment

Old-many-wives economics
Aug 16, 2014 08:06am

@Dr Saad: Which ones -- the ones cited as lies by the article or the challenges claimed as 'truths' in the article?

Pakistani
Aug 16, 2014 08:07am

Where there is a smoke, there is fire so there must be something which made rulers of time to take these decisions. Author seems to portray one side of story only.

Old-many-wives economics
Aug 16, 2014 08:11am

@Aslam Shaikh : You, Alsam, are responding emotionally irrespective of the fact-based challenges offered in the article! Too steeped in what you accepted as truth without question. How will you repair and transcend your damaged thinking processes?

Sierrabrave
Aug 16, 2014 08:15am

@QE X which Indian school did you attend dear? The ones I attended taught me to take pride in our past without really mentioning the religion of our great achievers. It was well into adulthood that I found out that the Qutab was a minaret of victory of Islam built out of remains of demolished Hindu and Jain temples which is apparent to any visitor to the monument ; however this is fact I am able to nonchalantly accept as a reality of that time and age. In contrast our cousins in Pakistan seem to be constantly wound up thanks to the high testosterone falsehoods being fed into young impressionable minds...

Sierrabrave
Aug 16, 2014 08:23am

@Hafeez,Canada after the mutiny the Britishers rewarded those communities which sided with them for personal reasons and declared them martial races and so on... The Hindus of awadh, rohilkhand and bundelkhand were marginalised while the Muslims of Punjab were rewarded; it is wholly wrong to see it purely through religious prism. When Muhammad of ghour and nadir shah sacked Delhi they butchered all dilliwalas without distinguishing between Hindus or Muslims... That's what invaders do!

Old-many-wives economics
Aug 16, 2014 08:23am

@Hafeez,Canada: Fact is that Muslims un the "mughals" came for territory and enjoyed a few centuries of ascendency. The British came and routed them. all of it was hardest on Hindus and other indigenous peoples of the South Asia. But, looking back, I think today's Indians are happy overall,that the British came and "Mughals" went.

Ravi Dallas TX
Aug 16, 2014 08:41am

This is really bad, this is like raising children with so much venom and hatred. This coupled with Jihadist preachers , made Pakistan to this sad state otherwise it would have been flourishing as it was back in 60's.

However past is past, Pakistan should learn its lessons and do what is good for the citizens and the country.

Ameen Chilwan
Aug 16, 2014 08:44am

It is a good read but of course not without discrepancies. Some of the opinions from the contributors are also a bit too biased and sort of narrative building phenomenon. But to hit the actual point, a lot of facts are twisted in the textbooks taught in a lot of countries, including Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. I think the reason floated in the article that it is for creating "nations" is major.

But in retaliation, we should also not twist the history in the other direction. I agree that all the ancient civilizations be taught, but it would also be interesting to highlight when Balochistan became part of Umayyad calipahte, and existence of areas now comprising of Pakistan have existed for quite a long period without connection to "Hindustan".

For some reason, I have started finding it weird that DAWN based articles usually try to argue that Pakistan has culturally a lot in common with India. We also have a lot in common with Afghanistan, Iran and Central Asia but we never talk about that. We still think that Turks and Mughals came from Turkey and so on. It should be noticed that even India itself does not have cultural similarities. I dont know, just find it really strange to force some narratives. DAWN should be a bit more responsible and include articles with all different perspectives. I think that is responsible journalism.

ahmed
Aug 16, 2014 09:04am

the fact is that Pakistan is still in the making and a dynamic young nation-state. at this point of time, it is Islam that will define what most Pakistanis are , albeit with differences/internal strife/schisms and what not, it is still ONE Pakistan, one different than India, Iran, Afghanistan. I love humanity all over, I love Muslim all over, but I love Pakistan too. I love my Bengali brothers, but they should thank Pakistan to have independent Bangladesh. Had they been part of India, they would have never gained an independent Bangladesh. i do feel sorry for the carnage played y both forces back in 71. but that is part of any seccessionist movement all over the world. Muslim are no different. Pakistan is for Pakistanis and all Pathans, Punjabis, Kashmiris, Balochis, Sindhis, Hazaris, Baltistanis, migrated UP, Biharis, and many more, all are Pakistanis for Pakistan.

Daud Jan
Aug 16, 2014 09:05am

Lets not distort the true History on this side of the divide and lets blame Pakistan for everything. But I am sure the writer who is all out to apportion the blame on Pak would n't appease India either. Train to Pakistan is an eyeopener. Do whatever you want to do, Hindus will never get happy.

aam aadmiA
Aug 16, 2014 09:11am

sooooo much heatered infested in the minds of the students in pakistan oh my god ,,,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! all these years pakistani brains poisoned,,,,,,,,poisoned,,,,,,,,,,,,, but new generation who use internet , must knew it. edjucated pakistani must spread the light of truth, & destroy the curtain of ballant lies ,,,of your for fathers,& rulers,,

Rakesh
Aug 16, 2014 09:14am

We from both side never let any chance to find out mistakes in one another and feel pity on each other......After reading such a nice article do we Indians or brothers from pakistan realised our mistakes????? rather thinking of the issue we started giving advise to each other....Please grow-up

imran mahmood
Aug 16, 2014 09:40am

When such text books were compiled, there no significant history books written on partition in early 50s. However, our text books are not as misleading as indian text books are. The researchers should also conduct a comparative study, I was shocked to see indian text books in which it is explained that Mohammad Ali Jinnah was a rigid person and created Pakistan to satisfy his ego. I insist that such misleading facts should be highlighted by columists.

amin
Aug 16, 2014 09:40am

How the history of Pakistan is complete without the word of Agakhan in it

P R Reddy
Aug 16, 2014 09:43am

Great article. I commend the author and Dawn for the courage to discuss such matters.

Ram
Aug 16, 2014 09:44am

does common sense prevail in any decent educated pakistani to question why did any leaders of Pakistan did not fight for freedom under british rule, they never spent any jail time

BlackHat
Aug 16, 2014 09:47am

@safi In 1885, "The Congress was founded by Indian and British members of the Theosophical Society movement, most notably Scotsman, A.O. Hume", to encourage greater Indian participation in the governance of India. With passing of time, larger number of Hindus became members though significant number of Muslims participated too. Growing impatience with slow pace of reform, the Congress changed its tactics and demands. The British, in order to create a counterbalance to the Congress, engineered the creation of the Muslim League.

sanjeev
Aug 16, 2014 09:52am

@zak Quote - Lord Ram stepped the same place 5000 years ago? I guess some one was around as witness, Unquote. Unfortunately you were not there to tell this to Babar when he wanted to build the mosque at that particular place. The only reason for choosing the place was people believed it to be the birth place of Lord Ram. Whether it was true or false is immaterial but the reason for building the mosque at that place was definitely this belief. And he wanted give a message through his act. And then people who demolished the mosque also wanted to give reply to this message. This is the fact.

Sudhanshu Swami
Aug 16, 2014 10:04am

@Nabeel Khan sorry to disagree, but we should educate and inform them instead and make them agree. There must be lie on both sides, I believe it is salt in flour in India, and just opposite in Pakistan (bit exaggerated statement !) Discussion can make things clear. After discussion whatever the outcome is, that will put end to all hatred which were based on lie. (the other part of hatred will be smaller !)

event horizon
Aug 16, 2014 10:09am

Guys, guys, let me tell you what seems to have been ignored in the comments section so far. The fact is if Pakistan was doing economically well, everything would seem to be in favor of two nation theory. We, as a nation, failed to implement some important reforms and as a result are lacking in economic progress. The fact is when there is money in the pocket, even crap seems like flowers. Pakistan was created as a result of a cogent basis and a theory. It was unfortunate that we lost Quaid-e-Azam too early. Subsequent generations failed to look at history in the correct context and fell victims to short-term targets. It is never too late. Regardless of what the events in 1940 were, it is okay to learn from what has happened since 1948 and make some changes. If we redefine ourselves as a law-abiding, relatively secular, modern democracy and stop mixing religion and governance, we can be on the path to progress. Then nobody will question the creation of Pakistan or text books will not need to be modified to justify what Ayub Khan, Modoudi, Bhutto, Zia, etc. were doing.

Sudhanshu Swami
Aug 16, 2014 10:17am

@Sajid Ansari You are right that its hard to know that what was the single reason or were there multiple reason for creating Pakistan. Issue now is that people are still trying to justify creation of Pakistan, and that too with lies. You are proud of nation, everyone should be. But people who justify on tiny issues (for ex a caterer was tried to fed chapati in India after 6 decades of partition and hence mr Jinnah is justified ) surely have inferiority complex. Lies leads to unnecessary hates and hypothetical blames. For ex many Pakistani even say that RSS is terrorist organization. When I ask for any hateful speech they have as reference then they fail to provide. They ask RSS people to leaves guns, but I ask show any picture you see any RSS leader having gun ! This is just single example that how people start believing the self proclaimed security analysts. I can give many examples of these type of lies but I know it will be censored.

pankaj
Aug 16, 2014 10:25am

@Fahad reality is just opposite

JP
Aug 16, 2014 10:39am

@zak

S subcontinent cannot be made into a country it wont work as is proven with India

What do you mean proven? We are a successful democracy. We never had a coup. You just had your first full democratic government complete its term. We have had the most stable government compared to all our neighbors.

which cannot get out of the poverty trap and social degradation.

India had always progressed on all its development metrics since its formation, at about the same speed as its south asian neighbors.

See India history books and you will see fantasy at its best a bit like the 'Babri Masjid' destruction. Reason given, Lord Ram stepped the same place 5000 years ago?

I have done schooling in India. None of our history books peddled religious myths as history. But on the other hand, after the Batra episode, I won't find it too surprising if there is an obscure gujarati optional reading book to this effect. On the whole though, Indian textbooks have their feet on the ground.

Guru
Aug 16, 2014 10:55am

@QE X can you name the indian book, where is written that Taj Mahal and Red Fort made by hindus

Asad
Aug 16, 2014 11:02am

We have lost our identity and generations grow up believing in the falsehood studied in our educational institutions. The current state of our nation exemplifies this fact. Anything built upon falsehood will deteriorate to the point of non-existence. I remember a time when I myself used to be exposed to such nonsense as exemplified above. I ended up having more questions than answers. The thing about falsified history is, it fails to have any logical sense. The history is written on the basis of an established conclusion (which may be wrong or right or both) and thus the linear progression of time becomes messed up. The best textbooks are those that only describe facts, and from those facts it should left to the reader to establish whatever conclusion his mind or perspective allows. And then on top of having questions, to be rebuked whenever you ask the questions is highly demoralizing. We will be in a state of constant deterioration unless the institutions that we entrust to provide knowledge to our children improve their standards of curriculum and teaching methodology.

Pradip
Aug 16, 2014 11:10am

@QE X

Seriously? Have you heard of Sally Hemings, and Thomas Jefferson? The founding fathers in this country are respected but are also re-evaluated by the historians so no one forgets that they were as human as anyone else. Quite a departure from the case at hand.

Pradip
Aug 16, 2014 11:14am

@El Cid

You mean, you are the NIGHT?

Aurang
Aug 16, 2014 11:14am

@Sudhanshu Swami - there are many many Pakistani who have true perspective of history.. unfortunately, Pakistan has been hijacked by its elites - who have guns, money and (dangerous) ideology!

Aurang
Aug 16, 2014 11:19am

@S. Deshpande well, said we should be like EU countries. There is more common than uncommon between us!!

zaki
Aug 16, 2014 11:23am

It is very nice to read your article and see clips of Pakistan TV where there are open debates and criticism of history of Pakistan taught in school. But it is sad that most of Pakistanis do not want o ready more than than what is taught to them. Internet is best way to know who you are, even though there is negotiation image. In India most people read beyond what is taught to them and there is freedom to debate any issue including religion. It was during the renaissance when Christians started looking beyond religion and Pope, that community flourished and ruled the world and still they do it indirectly.

Mukesh
Aug 16, 2014 11:23am

Good article.

Abbas
Aug 16, 2014 11:39am

According to Winston Churchill, the first casualty of war is the truth.
In Canada Kids in grade 2/3 are taught that our soilders faught in Iraq so that we could live in peace. We aren't the only party guilty of it. One has to read the history of crusades written from European perspective to understand how the history and facts were distorted to recruit people for fighting in Middle East.

Aysha
Aug 16, 2014 11:46am

Regardless of these lies in textbooks we are neither good Muslims nor patriots.I have been a paper reader for a long time.I could not understand one thing there are so any other problems in Pakistan which demand more attention and concentration than fanaticism.Why our journalism suggests secularism as the only panacea?Govts and nations twist histories and policies for their own end.weak media policy ,weak economic and diplomatic policies are also calling issues.Supporting one kind of facts and disparaging others is also a kind of fanaticism.

Omer
Aug 16, 2014 11:53am

The writer resorts to cherry-picking to prove her point. Reasons for demand of a separate country run deeper than she just tries to present. Whatever the credentials of the founders of All India Muslim League and the manifesto of the party, in retrospect, creation of Pakistan was the most sane and fortunate thing done to us.

Shah, Canada
Aug 16, 2014 11:57am

@vijay Not only British who divide Hindus and Muslims but Hindu pundits and Nehru were also champions of division. (Jaswant Singh)

Farooq
Aug 16, 2014 12:13pm

Very detailed article indeed. It is good to have such discussions where intellect can be used and people can enlighten themselves with an open mind

But we have to realize as well the situation that exists in reality today. Pakistan has the bad luck of having the worst neighbors you can imagine. There is no trust with Afghanistan, Iran or India. And I don't see there being any trust either for the coming years as well

In gatherings, articles and documentaries, I have read / heard at least 10 different versions of why Pakistan was made. Who knows which of the 10 is true and correct. Some historian praise Jinnah where as others ridicule him.

The reality is that if Pakistan was a successful nation today with resources, wealth and proper system, we would not debate why the country was made and what are lies and what is the truth. We would have accepted what is in the books. Since we are struggling as a nation and gold medalist in corruption, intellectuals will always question what is truth and what is lies.

If you live in neutral country where Indian populations are vast, talk to your neighbors from India especially Marathis and Gujratis. These 2 hindu communities will give total different version of history. To give just one example, in Pakistan, Aurangzeb is a hero, to these 2 states in India and their textbooks, he is a villain, tyrant and most evil person. They always see Muslim as an invader, where as muslims have been in the sub-continent since 700 A.D

This debate will be ever lasting on what are lies and what is the truth. In all this distortion, what I have seen is that Pakistanis today are more confused than ever before.

Khawar Sajjad Khawaja
Aug 16, 2014 12:14pm

@Dr Saad Accept reality with open mind Sir

M.Saeed
Aug 16, 2014 12:21pm

@claire : The first Mosque in the sub-continenet was built in South India almost 100 years before Muhammad bin Qasim came to India in 712 AD!

Md.Athteshamuddin
Aug 16, 2014 12:22pm

OMG! This is far far worse than I thought! The physiological effect of these blatant lies will last a lifetime on the minds of young students. Lot of puzzling questions are answered. Now I can understand Pakistan much better. Alas! One more promising generation lost.

Feroz
Aug 16, 2014 12:59pm

@Hafeez,Canada Was this version of history taught to you in Canada, readers will be enlightened to know where you read it.

Rani Sharma
Aug 16, 2014 01:00pm

The Sanskrit grammar was written by Pannini,a Pathan from Pushpapura, now known as Peshawar. He wrote it while living in Pushpapura. He was born in Pushkalavati, Gandhara, in the modern-day Charsadda of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. Pakistanis will never be told this. They will be taught that they are pure Arab origin.So sad.

Feroz
Aug 16, 2014 01:12pm

@QE X Can you give a link to which Indian Text Book claims that Taj Mahal and Red Fort were commissioned by Hindus ? Will like to enlighten myself with facts.

Ahmer
Aug 16, 2014 01:16pm

It would be great of you can scan the pages of these books and publish them in a pictorial.

Harmony
Aug 16, 2014 01:31pm

@Lucky Star - "Too big article" would not fit in your mind!!!

Meiraj
Aug 16, 2014 01:34pm

@Rafi Ka Deewana All muslim invaders came from north? so did indo-aryans, kushans, huns, greeks and many many more. All invasions were violent and ruthless. they all came to loot and destroy the native population. so unless you are native or shudar...stop complaining about muslims only. Might is always right.

Kamran
Aug 16, 2014 01:44pm

so some body wants to say that all the people killed after partition was for no reason

uzma
Aug 16, 2014 01:44pm

@Aslam Shaikh is it really so? that nothing which we read had happened? i m really confused

MAK
Aug 16, 2014 01:44pm

Bias is but natural depending what side one is, the writer chose a few paras/ lines in which the writer ( usually not a historian) perhaps got carried away; do this writer imply that the Indian books are all true facts & we should be teaching their "factual" versions; are we all blind to the state of Muslims in 'Bharat'

Harmony
Aug 16, 2014 01:47pm

@vijay - On your mention of Taj Mahal, I once had interesting discussion with one Indian troll who was adamant that it was built well before Mughuls by the Indians. I think he only shut up when I suggested why not claim Burj Al Arab and all else in Middle East too (as built by Indian labour). So, I wonder what text books in some parts of India are being read?

ather Qureshi
Aug 16, 2014 01:52pm

Dear Readers, it seems that we have started taking pride in getting our selves as a progressive nation that simply follows and replicates the views from across the border or the biased elite within us. All above articles seems to deliberately defy the two nation theory that is the basis of creation of Pakistan. Before we look at our school system, have we looked what is being taught in India & Bangladesh? Yes I agree we are not being taught all the facts about our History at the school level. but the students can grow up and get to know it when they have basic knowledge of their own country and history. I, for one did the same, corrected my self and my views, but I was surprised how little my colleagues from India or Bangladesh knew about history, in fact they have been taught much twisted facts than I could imagine. Japan & Germany still refuse to amend their books despite pressure from West, and Israel. Not all is wrong in our History books as being depicted above, there are some distorted facts that can be corrected. My views are based on discussions with both Indian and Bangladeshi colleagues over 3 decades and reading Indian Magazines and books during this period and meeting the common man from both countries. hence I do consider them as representative instead of researches made behind closed doors and reading biased books.

Rehan
Aug 16, 2014 01:58pm

To most part of article i do agree with Rubina Saigol ... i have met and felt with fellow Indians, that why the divide !? ... but then i have seen modern India with old practices that had led to formation of our country. the tales from my grandparents and a whole load elders who lived to tell more what we heard ... we cannot pin point the fragments of our history individually where and why we went wrong and was there a need for Pakistan !? ... i think we needed Pakistan despite Muslim killing Muslims, we needed Pakistan to have identity a different regardless who conquered us. look today in orissa, Nagaland, and west Bengal, all are suffering without the world knowing about them. we could have been THAT. Lies or Not, we had made a nuclear to an enemy we can still call no enemy or brothers, something that sadly Arabs couldn't do for a sure Enemy.

ROBINSON- New Delhi
Aug 16, 2014 01:59pm

I applaud Dawn news for this article, this is called true journalism. We Indians are shocked to know what all lies were taught in school to the innocent minds who grew up as India/ World haters. 'I mean seriously Indian begged USA for help when Pakistan attacked and captured most of India' - has no one ever compared Indian and Pakistan Size its armies etc to realise that this couldn't have been possible ever despite the facts India won all wars including the Kargil war which was more recent, and the fact that we returned 93,000 Pak Army men after 1971 war. My request to all Pakistani friends please believe We indians want to be your friends and develop much cordial relations which benefits both the nations, there has been mistakes which has happened in the past but lets re write history and come much closer its in the benefit for our future generations. However any country which is based Lies does not survive for long and disintegrate internally because people don't what's right or wrong since they have grown up reading false stories. I pray for a better future for Pakistan and a closer relation with India

Sanjev Yadav
Aug 16, 2014 02:02pm

I wonder for 68 long years a nation has been preaching false lies. Almost three generations have come after separation and still people are forced to swallow these lies. The awkward body language of Pakistani cricketers(specially Imran, Miandad, Waquar, Moin, Afridi, Shoaib and likes) you see in the field has answer lie in this article.

Abdul Wahab
Aug 16, 2014 02:05pm

@Sudhanshu Swami Dear you are little bit right but things are not that much worse which media shows, m pakistani and i accept all those thing which u mention that pakistani guy will not accept and i think all things that writer says are true

noorilhuda
Aug 16, 2014 02:06pm

All of the people interviewed miss the main point:

No province of Pakistan was covered or taught in it's 'true' light - there was 'white-nization' of every cultural aspect in favor of 'urdu/Lukhnow traits'. The damage that this did is that no child in Pakistan has had anything in common with 'Pakistan Studies' or things taught in Pakistan Studies. Our writers and critics are too fixated with the concept of 'India' and 'Ideology' but this is what has really damaged Pakistan - how will a kid change anything in his village or town when he is taught nothing about it (good cultural traits and bad) that he identifies with?

Plus I did not see any representation of Bengali authors or poets in text books prior to 1971 - and ofcourse there is no mention of the greats they produced after 1971.

bala
Aug 16, 2014 02:07pm

Did Pakistan conquered several areas of india?then why they could't conquerer Kashmir by military means if pak military is capable?

shiva
Aug 16, 2014 02:07pm

Once you say Bin Quasim created Pakistan, than you say Jinha, than you add Rahmat Ali as visionary of Pakistan , than you claim Iqubal has the vision for seperate Muslim homeland...now you first decide what is truth?

Dr Hemant Junnarkar
Aug 16, 2014 02:12pm

if lie is not taught, what is the ground for existence of Pakistan?

open minded
Aug 16, 2014 02:17pm

Most biased article that I have ever read at Dawn.com. what this writer is trying to tell between the lines is that all those who made Pakistan were fools, their idealogy was political, Hindus were Muslims best friends even if scenes like ahmedabad still happens in india, what to talk aby that time and funniest of all that Pakistan military always lost to India even of we have half of Kashmir? . LOL.... How more biased can a writer be? I had huge respect for Dawn, their research etc. But this article itself is a BLATANT LIE...

bala
Aug 16, 2014 02:20pm

When pakistani text books spreading and teaching false stories about pak military capablity then why not a singile sensible pakistsni questioned their govt inability to take away Kashmir from india since 65 years? When 90k pak troops surrendered to indian army in 1971 and that story known to eachand every pakistanis why the pakistanis are still learn such twist books? Honest pak students should reject such books.

Roshan Kumar
Aug 16, 2014 02:24pm

The article has a certain perspective & I find it including the comments pretty interesting. Here are my 2 cents acc. to my understanding of larger Indian (read the subcontinent) history & culture.

  1. I don't understand why Hindus and Muslims were/are thought of as separate nations. There are as many Muslims in India as in Pakistan if not more, and they are very much part of the fabric of this country. The determining factor as far as share in progress goes, is caste. Fruits of progress are most enjoyed by upper castes and creamy layer of lower castes, cutting across all faiths including Islam. The number of Muslims killed by Hindus & vice versa in riots wouldn't be more than Muslims killing Muslims in Pakistan as well as much of the Middle East today. Largely there is peace in India.

  2. I refuse to buy the thought of Hindu hardliners in India that all Muslims are foreigners. Mahmoud of Ghazni, Ghori, & Babur couldn't have left behind millions of progeny on either side of the Indus and as far as Bangladesh. Of course these millions are converts, and that alone gives them equal rights over this land, civilisation and culture. How and why did the conversions happen is for another debate, but they stemmed from a combination of force, the proselytising nature of Islam & a lack of progress, power & political inclusion amongst large Hindu sections mostly lower castes.

  3. Now about the current state of thought in India. India being a huge diverse country has a plethora of opinion on Pakistan, both informed and imaginary. There are hundreds of hatred wielding people including on the internet, many referred to as 'Internet Hindus'. They spew venom & are equivalent to the idiotic psychophants on the Pakistani side. However unlike in Pakistan (that's what the global media at least portrays and this article somewhat confirms), in India these zealots are marginal and not endorsed by the state. One of the comments mentioned that Indian textbooks tell that Taj Mahal was a Hindu temple. That's not true. It's an obscure book by P.N.Oak which proclaims this and nobody takes it seriously.

  4. Ths is nt to deny tht thr r idiots ths side of the border too & thr r regular attempts to rewrite history to suit vested interests. Hwevr I believe tht strong Indian institutions & vigilantes wl ensure tht truth always prevails & debate is welcome.

I dnt hv enuf space avlbl here, but wd love an ernest debate on Indian and Pakistani shared history, culture, identity and f

Mansoor qadri
Aug 16, 2014 02:35pm

History is distorted all over World Not limited to Pakistan history alone. 1. The fact & fiction behind Imam Husain Karballa incident. 2. Kashmir issue incorrectly displayed in INDIAN text BOOKS. 3. The so-called HOLOCAUST about 6 million Jews. 4. The killings & Rape of Bengalis men & women in 1971. 5. Jerusalem, The Jews homeland..? etc. Pl go & re-write all history & not only Pakistan.

Well Wisher
Aug 16, 2014 02:35pm

@Mushtaq ......well you should be the first person to start comparing apple to apple . You seem to have just arrived from Sudia..

Nasir Iqbal
Aug 16, 2014 02:37pm

I am a Pakistani working in Dubai. Daring debate by Dawn, a thought provoking piece that reflects the Freedom of Expression in Pakistan. That shows the democracy is flourishing. That's how the credibility of any media outlet is established. That's why the Dawn is regarded as the most responsible and wise newspaper. Most of the READER COMMENTS are very interesting as well. However, it will be more appropriate if readers are shown more comparative references from Indian and Western books. We need more education to enlighten our minds to see the clear picture, which in my opinion is the only solution to eliminate so-called differences between India & Pakistan; between Indians & Pakistanis. Because we people from both sides of the border see the (internal & external) political powers are being used for vested interests; religions, faiths, scholars are being manipulated to create ethnic groups and vote banks and hence the vested interests. Politicians become prey to conspiracy theories. They need more education, more knowledge, more courage.

I suggest, this article is worthy to be published in national languages of both India and Pakistan. That will give the thought and benefit to the common people.

I suggest the next article can be about finding the ways of working both countries together for real common good of the people, the subcontinent to become world (economic) power and ultimately both India and Pakistan officially declared friendly states, instead of enemy countries.

Pakistani and Indians, let's initiate and play our part!

Best wishes!

sachin
Aug 16, 2014 02:57pm

@event horizon well said.

sachin
Aug 16, 2014 03:05pm

@Old-many-wives economics The British didn't rout the Mughals. it was the Marathas. Please get your history right.

Harmony
Aug 16, 2014 03:19pm

@vijay - On your mention of Taj Mahal, I once had interesting discussion here on Dawn with one Indian troll who was adamant that it was built well before Mughuls, by Hindus. I think he only shut up when I suggested why not claim Burj Al Arab and all else in Middle East too (as built by Indian labour). So, I wonder what text books in some parts of India are being read?

American
Aug 16, 2014 03:34pm

Mr. M D Zafar can make a good living as a filmi script writer in Bollywood...

S. Tariq Masood
Aug 16, 2014 03:42pm

The minute we indulge ourselves with labels and identify ourselves with the ego, we flush humanity down the tubes. The oligarchical mentality of separatism and personal versions of rights and wrongs emerge. The truth gets sidelined by personal bias and prejudice.

Mind inculcation is quiet apparent in the doctored books of history. No wonder we slaughter each other over what happened in the deserts of Arabia over 1400 years ago. We can't even get our facts straight that are fresh in the memory, sifting through the realities when Dacca fell and people stood ankle deep in the blood of their loved ones. There are a million versions of one saga.

The books of history represent fabrication and manipulation of shameful degrees. On the flip side, we also cannot extinguish the light of truth. It doesn't die but waits for the right climate in which to flourish. It is raising its head again. Time to distinguish the dead substance from that which is living. Time to learn from previous follies. Sectarianism is not the answer. It is the path to utter destruction. Only a secular approach can save the day. Humanity rising and joining hands together to rebuild shattered lives. Because underneath all the labels, we are all but identical.

By unimpeachable logic, there is no way to peace. Peace is the way.

Harmony
Aug 16, 2014 03:57pm

@Meiraj - Well said. And instead of blaming Muslims Rafi Ka Deewana also "fails to understand" that what is about Indians that they keep getting subjugated by invaders.

Harmony
Aug 16, 2014 03:59pm

@bala - At least they got 1-3rd of Kashmir.

Naveed Ahmad
Aug 16, 2014 04:11pm

History, Religion, Nationalism, National Pride, National Security, Vast National Interest etc., are the most effective tools used by politicians, dictators, capitalists and all power hungers to justify their unjust actions. The very same thing is also used by groups of people collectively. In a remote village of Pakistan, a molvi saab pouring faith by showing miracles to simple villagers; or somewhere in India a swami ji astonishing illiterate people by showing his chamatkars. Or a politician bashing his opponent. Truth is always compromised, everywhere in the world.

Please do not rely on histories written by governments. Go to libraries, read literature. It is not that truth is not or never written in Pakistan. It is being written and read for long. For example, Siddiq Salik wrote a Novel "Pressure Cooker" exposing the double standards found within society. For example, read the

Owais
Aug 16, 2014 04:24pm

@Zeeshan Ahmed "I think the biggest lie we have been taught is that Pakistan won the wars against India." Considering that the people of Pakistan have not been hammered like the people of Iraq, Palestine, Syria, DR Congo, etc, I would say that Pakistan has had its share of victories. Obviously many will laugh this off and continue with their criticism and beliefs that Pakistan would be so great if only everyone was as wonderful and enlightened as them.

Sudhanshu Swami
Aug 16, 2014 04:29pm

comments which dont have any hateful text, are censored. Friends, I tried to reply but comments not showing. Editors of Dawn, please tell truth about Babri mosque !

El Cid
Aug 16, 2014 04:40pm

@Pradip:"@El Cid You mean, you are the NIGHT?"

No. But you do need an EnglishComprehension101 refresher course to understand what I meant. You will not find it in your side of the divide.

Tariq
Aug 16, 2014 04:47pm

If partition has nothing to do with religion then why did we witness the biggest mass migration in human history(ref http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_migration) Either the people misunderstood the message of their leaders or we are not getting it!

NatashaUS
Aug 16, 2014 04:49pm

@Pradip: I don't see how you interpreted that from El Cid's comment. Apparently your English books are as defective as your history revisionist syllabus.

An Indian
Aug 16, 2014 04:49pm

@Ahmer I was really thinking of not posting but here's my understanding of what happened.

Jinnah wanted to be Prime Minister and so did Nehru. Gandhi tried to reason with both and neither would back down.

So Jinnah used the next best option open to himself. He used religion to carve out a space for himself. Gandhiji threw his weight behind Jinnah because he didn't want the country to break up but Nehru had the people behind him and would have won when it came to voting and both knew that.

So in the end it came to politics.... And then it was about justification And now it is about....

Huma Saleem
Aug 16, 2014 05:00pm

by just analyzing the comments from "scholars" of india anyone can understand why we need our PAKISTAN.

S.K.I.
Aug 16, 2014 05:17pm

@S. Tariq Masood Very well said and thanks for sharing your views. I hope more people can get the perspective that you prescribe and are able to live by it. I wish there are more people in this world who think like you.

raniraina_88
Aug 16, 2014 05:23pm

@QE X Who told you that Indian history books say that Taj Mahal and Red Fort were designed and commissioned by Hindus. We all have been reading that both these monuments were built by Shahjahan. So do not try to distort the facts just because your History books are all wrong.

Jeremy
Aug 16, 2014 05:26pm

@Zeeshan Ahmed
Well i won't say its a lie..i'd put it as illiteracy and lack of research infrastructure. These books were written a long time ago...like The Bible (no disrespect) and other fairy tails which I'd say have not been dug in widely until now..Thanks to the Google.

What i'd suggest is not to believe in everything you READ...Be a critic..Question it and ask why or really?

I think the asian culture has to stop following and start leading their own way of living.

Jeremy
Aug 16, 2014 05:27pm

@operate Not just read and learn but QUESTION what they read and not just rely on every fact they go past and start believing...that would be what i call illiteracy...

open minded
Aug 16, 2014 05:32pm

Its highly biased by dawn as well to publish only those comments which are somewhat in favour of this article which itself is a BLATANT LIE. I just published a comment 3hrs ago but it wasn't published becuz it had answers and facts to prove information supported in this article wrong. Anyways, my job is to try to do the right thing, let's see what Dawn does..

Another Indian
Aug 16, 2014 05:57pm

@QE X yaar main aaj tak India ki koi history book nahin Delhi Jo Kaye ki Taj Mahal and Red Fort were commissioned by Hindus...could you please recheck if you we're really reading Indian history books or conspiracy literature available in Pak in abundance...

abid
Aug 16, 2014 06:15pm

@Sudhanshu Swami . Why thank you for painting all Pakistanis with a single brush stroke. There is no doubt that our history is twisted beyond recognition, but that is exactly how it on the other side of the border. Both sides have committed immense atrocities and both sides have manipulated their people very successfully. Let's just hope we can make our way towards a dissolution of borders that could save lives instead of the creation of borders that claimed many.

Gnanesh
Aug 16, 2014 06:25pm

@Mushtaq Dear Mushtaqji, Indian media is no drama, pl. mark it. The independence of media is fiercely defended, and people want it that way too. And not short sighted propaganda that'd be fed to consume and form a distorted worldview, if it really happened. It isn't.

By the way, Indian media can and has mercilessly ripped through the muck politicians and their related ilk have created, and continue to do so. And some of the biggest scams have been unearthed by the media and many a shameless politician's career cut short because of this. We want it that way and would not allow throttling of the freedom of the press or for that matter bigoted history if anybody dares to teach our children.

It's good that Dawn published this article, at least the press is doing it's bits to clear the clouds in the minds of the hapless children who had no option to learn real facts then. In today's world it would be laughable if it continues. It can never, as the real information is freely available.

Dr Deepa
Aug 16, 2014 06:57pm

Excellent piece of work!!! Thats exactly what has been taught to us for ages and will continue to do so to present a distorted history of pure lies to the future generations as well. The nation will always read the one sided perspective which is all about the religion but not the history or facts. The dilemma of today's society is that no one even wants to read or listen to these facts and can easily give a deaf ear or may even be hostile. Discussions like these are regarded as unpatriotic or unreligious and are easily discarded. Our beloved Pakistanis are quite contend with their up to date knowledge regarding current so called politics and long/azadi marches. It has always been saddening for me that our nation is so unaware of the rich multicivilized and multi religious centuries old culture of subcontinent. It is rightly said by Osho " The less the people know, the more stubbornly they know it" ( and our problem is that the handful of knowledge we have is also not correct ).

Sudhanshu Swami
Aug 16, 2014 07:41pm

@All repliers I am sorry as my comments are not published, I tried to reply.

zaigham islam
Aug 16, 2014 07:46pm

thanks for sharing such a nice peace .hope one day we can teach out children the unbised history of the reagion and i totally agree with the writer that "Pakistan was mainly created for the protection and promotion of the class interests of the landed aristocracy which formed the League."

in one way or another we are still doing the same protecting the class interests of the Eliot of pakistan .

Kamran
Aug 16, 2014 07:52pm

finally the truth is coming out. I request all my Pakistani friends to distribute this knowledge.. Knowing abt us is very important .

at the end of the day we are humans and we should stop spreading hatred!! Look at us after 68 yrs of independence, we are still doing our azaadi marches.. (atleast we are doing them now .. Hail the great man Imran Khan)

Naaeem
Aug 16, 2014 08:03pm

Scholars decidedly say about historians that they can not be unbiased, to the best of their efforts. If a reader is swayed due to his lack of knowledge in social/humanity sciences and expresses opinion in a decided scholarly manner, it will be just his personal opiion or a wishful thinking at its worst. It is wise to say that both sides of a picture must be seen or shown before making a rational/logical decision. Oblivious of socio-political or religious/ economic norms of the hindu-muslim societies though centuries in India, muslim and hindu commentators are way off the mark. Did these Pakistanis read Indian text books or did any Hindu scholar commented about blatant lies about islam or muslims like the one written in Dawn? Let me know if Indian national newspaper ever did it!

SHYAM LAL
Aug 16, 2014 08:15pm

I am surprised to find this truth in your pages. In fact Pakistanis are also inheritors of great and ancient civilisation of Moenjodaro and Indus valley civilisation, Emporer Ashok and others but they know only Bin Qasim, Ghazanvis and Ghouris. They want instead to be ready to be subordinate to Arabs but they are not ready to even marry their women which is nothing but blatant exploitation. What an irony! That your newspaper has published these paragraphs give you very high marks and educative and informative reporting.

Aslam Shaikh
Aug 16, 2014 08:32pm

Wow! So much educated people trying their best to prove such points! Unfortunately, these guys have not been been through the times of August 1947 or the times before it. How common Muslims were prejudiced against. What kind of thinking lead to the slaughter of East Punjab? If everyone is so peaceful then why is Pakistan's water being diverted. Pakistani politicians prefer to be friends with Indian politician for personal gain. History and present is being distorted, you guys think everything is rosy.

An Indian
Aug 16, 2014 08:37pm

@abid Please!!!! Dissolution of borders. first of all we have people like @Huma and other people who will feel we are trying to take over their country and then we have all those Indians (including myself) who would bitterly resist any move of border dissolution.

We have been separate countries, separate societies for way too long to merge now. Sorry. This is not a case of Germany. The countries have drifted much too far apart.

The best we can do is to not interfere in each others lives & live amicably. Let's achieve that first. We have a long long way to get there.

Ram
Aug 16, 2014 08:46pm

The good news of Pakistan this bold article is published in Dawn and people are debating and not shooting each other that's good sign I am sure this would not have happened during Zia's or any other dictatorial rule

now the cat is the out of bag democracy will find its own way

Ganga Din
Aug 16, 2014 08:58pm

@Aslam Shaikh: Babu Aslam Sheikh: I called you 'babu' because your comments are like those of any babu in Islamabad. But let me ask you this: You talk about prejudice against Muslims in India, correct? Have you travelled to any of the Muslim countries?

Muslim
Aug 16, 2014 09:06pm

@Hafeez,Canada At the time of partition 35 crores population, 25 Non-Muslims and 10 croes Muslims why land was not divided 2.5:1 with peaceful transfer of population.

aman
Aug 16, 2014 09:09pm

@QE X kaun si book hain bhai ,tell me also ,i am unaware of that book all i have read that shah jahan constructed this taj mehal for his wife mumtaj mahal ,and to be true i dont know who built the red fort but i know that the it was built by some mughal emperor in 17th century and they ruled india from it there after

Umair
Aug 16, 2014 09:12pm

Although some points in the article are true, still some are points of views of thr authors and not a depiction of thr learned society of the nation.

My indian buddies who are actively sending positive replies on the article naturally are requested to also posr sum articles if ever published in their newspapers about the flawed versions of Indian history being taught and propogated in Indian schools. Forget history, the propoganda the indian newschannels are spreading are sad n amusing simultaneously. Hardly see any positivity the whole focus is on terrorism, Daud Ibrahim who majority of us dont give a damn about. RSS taking over indian school text book revision is an alarming sign. No wonder we see on indian tv showd young school kids we have had enough from Pakistan when we will attack it !!! When Obama comes to visit a school in India, the questions brainfed for those kids for the President are why does US keep on funding Pakistan ???? Am glad our teachers and textbooks did not inculcate this much hatred against India. I have many Indian friends; realizing we are different and separate entities, we can coexist without the hatred propaganda.

Zainab
Aug 16, 2014 09:13pm

@Dr Saad Oh, Dr ! Please open up your mind. Just look at what has happened to Pakistan in the last 67 years.

Salman Raza
Aug 16, 2014 09:18pm

Excellent article!. Admitting mistakes is sign of brave and secured individuals; same goes with nations. If we have courage to face the truth, then we can always move forward. It must be said that this is not an isolated example on history books. Authorities have written history to glorify their existence and present only their perspectives. What did Greeks write after Persian victory over Greece; it was not too different. The Greeks became disillusioned; at least in their era. Even great Plato couldn't fathom Persian victory over Greece and he came up with 'Allegory of Cave'; in which he claimed that "everything we see is not real". Subsequently what did Church in Vatican do for hundreds of years. Jesus's relation with Mary Magdalene, thousands of witches found by Church through their historical signs. I hate to say it but if you read Arab political history with an unbiased, neutral and religiously detached eyes, you will be even more horrified to note that this sectarian divide is also because of distortion of facts in our reference books. Even this day in age, every year across the USA countless elementary school students recite:

Kaly
Aug 16, 2014 09:18pm

It seems everything including the birth is a lie....

Zainab
Aug 16, 2014 09:19pm

@Aslam Shaikh Your advice perhaps is for the Pakistanis to keep on dwelling on the past, ignoring the facts around you and keep blaming everyone else for the misery Pakistanis are experiencing. With people like you, no wonder we are in this mess.

Ram
Aug 16, 2014 09:30pm

@QE X dude NO One states that what are you talking about, even if it does it does not mean you can lie too,

Zainab
Aug 16, 2014 09:38pm

@Ahmer How many Pakistanis can understanding your logic. Unfortunately, not many.

Ajay vikram Singh
Aug 16, 2014 09:55pm

I see by the comments that readers from India and Pakistan are still as confused as they were 70 years back when this great civilization got divided due to false narratives and defensive, regressive attitudes. By that measure, i wont blame our ancestors much for dividing this great society. We have not progressed at all.

As always, the truth lies somewhere in between. The real problem is that our intellect stops at a point, where objective self-analysis starts and thus falsification gets in. I hope, Indians and Pakistanis together can "seek" the truth of our shared past and then only an honest, progressive and shared narrative will take place.

Pakistan has nothing whatsoever to do with those arabian and central asian invaders, who attacked and violated Indian sub-continent. In fact, it was the ancestors of present day Pakistanis who paid the heaviest price for that centuries long invasion for wealth, land and women.

Present day, Indians have nothing much to do with original vedic aryans who slowly and gradually migrated more and more deeper inside Indian sub-continent over a period of many many thousands of years, and along with their migration, the very idea of religion and world-view kept changing as they interacted, mingled with and got mixed with native population. There is a reason why ancient religion of Iran, the Zoroastrian scriptures are mirror images of Hindi Purans. There is a reason why Sanskrit is considered (by all scholars), the mother of "all" Indo-european and Indo-Iranian languages.

In fact, vedic and Upanishad period Hinduism belongs more to present day Pakistan, than it belongs to present day India. The real south-asian version, history and glory of Islam belongs more to present day India, than it belongs to pakistan.

In this dichotomy and duality lies, all our issues and solutions. No wonder, it baffled even our ancestors when they decided to divide the indian sub-continent.

The truth has been lost in the sands of time and those sands are many millennium old.

short-circuit
Aug 16, 2014 10:04pm

@QE X talking about Taj mahal and red fort can you give us more info(like board,class and publication) about those history books,which are supposed to have this marvel of a fact.

Aslam Shaikh
Aug 16, 2014 10:04pm

@Zainab that is not the case, we should learn from past and remember it. Work to fix the present and plan for future. I could say the same this about this writer that she wants to dwell in the past and keep us busy in such discussions while loosing focus.

Aslam Shaikh
Aug 16, 2014 10:16pm

@Ganga Din at least there is no organized massacre in Muslim countries Also you don't have to worry about Pakistani babus in Islamabad, they are always available to be sold to highest bidder. You guys already have a couple of them in your pocket

JP
Aug 16, 2014 10:20pm

The best remedy for propaganda in the Internet age is that if you are in Country X or are even a foreigner in it who just wants to know more about it, read books and newspapers about Country X, but from countries that are NOT Country X. This approach served me well, be it on India, Pak or US.

Chris
Aug 16, 2014 10:26pm

Well its the Indian history which led to the destruction of the Babri Mosque and the current dilapidated state of the minorities along with the coming into power of the radical Hindu nationalists .

Looks like compared to them we still are far better off. : )

Aimen F Sami
Aug 16, 2014 10:48pm

A very bold publication by Herald. Educating about history is no easy job, specially where there's a majority with zilch tolerance for truth and balanced views.

Ray Pakhtun
Aug 16, 2014 10:50pm

90 % citizens of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are sons and daughters of the same soil, unfortunately divided by religion and ethnicity. You can hardly tell the difference if names are not mentioned. I wish we all could get over religious and ethnic prejudices.

Rectification of errors. Is it possible
Aug 16, 2014 11:36pm

The article explains well what are the "lies" being spread due to the distorted content of these school books. But it does not mention if any action is being taken to rectify the same or any proposal being made by the professors or historians to the government to ensure that the students are being taught the correct history. Also I understand that that about 1% of the Pakistani population is Hindu thereby making it a minority religion. But some of the content blatantly belittles and disparages them. Is such content not against any kind of minority or fundamental right? Can't is be challenged on any of these grounds?

Sohail Khalid Akhtar Israeli
Aug 17, 2014 12:59am

@Rectification of errors. Is it possible

Munna
Aug 17, 2014 01:14am

@Aslam Shaikh, Wrong has been done both sides. You have to see both sides of the coin. Painting a holy image on one side leads to hatred and terrorism.

Sandip
Aug 17, 2014 01:31am

@Hafeez,Canada Urdu is official language in 6 Indian states and one the 22 scheduled languages in the Indian constitution. So get your facts right.

Sandip
Aug 17, 2014 01:37am

@safi modi has won not because of his hindutva but because ppl are fed up of congress corruption. If hindutva could won votes bjp would have been in power for often in the last 67 yrs. Modi's election doesn't make all indians communal. We are the same Indians who voted congress only 5 yr ago.

Sandip
Aug 17, 2014 01:44am

@Hafeez,Canada Urdu is official language in 6 Indian states

Sandip
Aug 17, 2014 02:10am

@open minded yes Hindus and Muslims are friends in india. My best friend from school is a Muslim and I even attended eid namaz with him.

Sonia
Aug 17, 2014 04:15am

The most blatant lie told in pakistani textbooks is that pakistan is a democratic country and that we have democracy!

hasnain
Aug 17, 2014 04:39am

@Adnan Umer no its not bro ma be you get a chance of consulting books yourself.

BholayBhai
Aug 17, 2014 06:52am

@Zeeshan Ahmed , Is it also a lie that Pakistan snatched a large part of Kashmir from India and has been holding it since 1948?

gul
Aug 17, 2014 09:25am

@writters: being a student of pakistan studies I wants answer to my question. . Why we should tell our young generation that there was no difference between Hindu and Muslim? ?? Why to tell them two nations theory doesn't hold any ground??? Why to tell them jinnah was not a great leader?? For what reason to tell them muslim league was just party of landed aristocracy? ?? The purpose of all this is just to tell them there was no need of pakistan... Being a student I need answer to this...

Pardes
Aug 17, 2014 11:05am

@KGB I believe the reasons for distorting facts are political. The Pakistan's military is the most powerful organization in Pakistan. To protect their influence and support, they need a valid reason. India being labelled as oppressors, tyrants, etc. provides the same. They can validate their huge spending in arms with claims that there are a billion enemies of Pakistan on the other side of the border waiting to subjugate Islam and Pakistanis, and they are there to protect them. Of course, I could be wrong. I would like to see someone else's perspective on this.

El Cid
Aug 17, 2014 11:10am

@BholayBhai :"Is it also a lie that Pakistan snatched a large part of Kashmir from India and has been holding it since 1948?"

Actually the whole of Kashmir, Punjab and Hyderabad Deccan are parts of Pakistan that Bharat is occupying by force. These will be freed sooner rather than later.

Subhash
Aug 17, 2014 11:12am

@QE X I agree with you. Most countries bend the facts a little. But the purpose of this should not be to put another country/culture down all the time. That said, what is wrong, is wrong regardless of who does it.

Javed
Aug 17, 2014 11:23am

Its really very important topic and a very sad story. I notice that the generations that graduated from high schools after 1980 is a totally disconnected one. I would prefer my kids to know all correct history from 1947 onwards especially that related to East Pakistan and the role played by all elements in the 1971 war - Politicians, Army, Mukti Bahni, India and other powers including Soviet friendship with India before the war.

I would also want the role played by BBC during the wars. At my kids to know that foreign media is a foreign media and how it can harm a country. They need to understand that every country censures information and the modern ways of media censorship both in peace time and war times. Also, needed are details about RCD, SEATO and CENTO as well as the 7th fleet that came. We also need to know our participation in all foreign wars we fought be it in Korea, Afghanistan or else where.

JB
Aug 17, 2014 12:23pm

What an illuminating piece! The partition of India was a tragedy and we are still reaping the bitter harvest of this colossal mistake

Best wisher
Aug 17, 2014 12:24pm

Nice one. But jhut ke uper bana hua desh me aur kia ho sakta hai? Pakistan is standing on lose sand and all the political leaders and military are trying their best to show the wrong as right. And because of this the ordinary common people of Pakistan is suffering. More you

zak
Aug 17, 2014 12:25pm

@Hello I suggest you check Indian text books as well. The falsification of those lead to the incidents such as 'Babri Maskid' and Gujarat massacre of Muslims not to mention IOK.

zak
Aug 17, 2014 12:36pm

@Krishna Indian state of affairs is far worse.

zak
Aug 17, 2014 12:39pm

@Hafeez,Canada This the Hindus will never acknowledge as they dont like reality.

Salahuddin Ayubi
Aug 17, 2014 12:44pm

Thanks to the internet , through their courtesy we now know that vested interests are twisting history for their benefit but at the peril of the nation. Our children are growing up not know they are actually. This internet age will clear many of these misgivings. The otherday I searched history of Bengal in google serch and I came to know that in the 7th and 8th century Bengal was ruled by Pala dynesty , who were Buddists. Their empire extended upto Kamboj( PresentdayAfghanistan ) in the west and Thailand in the east. TThere were many things i read there tht was not present in the historry books that I studied at School in the fiftees.. I aam sure that the internet will clear the clouds from the mins of our people. Regards Salahuddin Ayubi

Dr Raza
Aug 17, 2014 01:16pm

No one is pointing towards the fact that there is no one perspective of the history. History is never correct. One has to draw ones own conclusion after getting oriented with different perspectives. The author of this article should have challenged the curricula style of education rather then the content of curriculum. Lastly I wonder should Dawn have published an article where dissection of Indian history books, being taught to children since 1947, was made, especially on 15th August and provided a befitting birthday gift to them too. For God 's sake I always thought these occasions are for looking at positives and not negatives. Dawn's effort in publishing this article seems more to make Indians happy on the day when we should have been happy. Please do the same to them so that neutrality is restored.

Qasim
Aug 17, 2014 01:47pm

History is always written by the governing body. We talk about the history of Pakistan, but this might be true for the history all together .

Sajjad Khan
Aug 17, 2014 01:54pm

There is no " fundamental" divide between Muslims and Hindus as we were all Hindus once. We must acknowledge that first, as Hindus were our forefathers. .

lol
Aug 17, 2014 03:08pm

Which text book you read man?

ranga
Aug 17, 2014 03:28pm

@Jim Have you nothing else to say?

jitendra yadav
Aug 17, 2014 04:51pm

@El Cid Again the victim of distorted history.....

observer
Aug 17, 2014 05:48pm

The above articles have to be read by more people. Dawn, and its sister magazine "Herald" should most definitely publish the above. It is imperative that not only students know the truth, but the general public is better informed. After that Pakistani school text books have to be revised. There is no reason why in the first place blatant lies have to be written. Dawn can organize this quite well. I most sincerely hope that the truth, does triumph over blatant lies.

Vijai Murugan
Aug 17, 2014 07:19pm

@An Indian You simplified it beautifully. All happened for good. Let us live happily in our part of the land and develop the country. The divide is permanent and let us learn to live like a good neighbour. There is no need to exhibit false sense of brotherhood.

Vijai Murugan
Aug 17, 2014 07:27pm

@Rani Sharma It was not Pushpapura but Purushapura, the capital of Kushan empire which was ruled by Kanishka.

Zainab
Aug 17, 2014 07:44pm

@Dr Raza Apparently you do not believe in the saying "clean your own home before attempting to clean others' homes". Have'nt we suffered enough by always blaming others for our miseries?

Ram Avatar
Aug 17, 2014 09:03pm

We do not wish to undo history, we lost HINDUS across call it conversion or vacation. It does not matter what is taught on other side, we are happy the way it is now. No more introspection.

Jay
Aug 17, 2014 11:07pm

@Hafeez,Canada : I have read 'The Last Mughal'. His analysis of the revolt is at best over-simplified. The Nizam of Hyderabad(India) supported the British in the revolt and were rewarded. Also, his bias against India is evident from his other books like 'The Age of Kali' ( this book is written in the late 90s and none of his doom prophecies on India have come true). Hindi is a sanskrit based langauge and much older than Urdu. Urdu is a mixture of Persian, Arabic and Hindi. Urdu is very much a recognised Indian language and even figures in Indian currency notes.

MHF
Aug 17, 2014 11:13pm

@Hello Unfortunately same is true for text books in India.

Ruchka
Aug 17, 2014 11:26pm

Excellent article and many such ones badly needed in India too especially with the current growing attempts at distortion and safforinaxtion of our textbooks too. What is most refereshing to see is the majority of comments welcoming such an analysis. Alas! In India many such pieces would be showered with abuses and labels of being "pseudo sickular" etc etc. we need more of these to weaken the fundamentalists on both sides

LS
Aug 18, 2014 01:23am

@aman he is talking about P.N Oak book which claims that but its not the history kids are taught in the schools. They fail to understand that in a country there are people of various shades and they also have equal rights to say what they like... So people believe them majority don't. To them if one person says something that suits their narrative to build hate they will believe that despite what popular narrative is...

zak the supreme
Aug 18, 2014 07:24am

surprise. did the educated people in pakistan not know about the blatant lies propagated by the leaders. do the pakistanis not know how to search out news and stories. there has to be reason for the decline and decimation of the country on the verge of splintering.

Humanity
Aug 18, 2014 09:06am

A good article, advocating against the very basis of the foundation of Pakistan. Indian are enjoying.

VINOD
Aug 18, 2014 09:13am

@Aslam Shaikh Your comments reflects the effects of what this brilliant article is about ..... that is misinformation.

pmrao
Aug 18, 2014 09:26am

It is commendable that the authors tried to present objective approach. But perhaps unintentionally they are falling into subjective line by mentioning" both sides" very frequently. Instead they should have mentioned historical facts from the beginning and where at least some from both sides are distorting facts. Generally prevalent attitude both in india and elsewhere to project BJP and RSS as extreme organisations is distortion of modern history,which happens because truth is made a casualty to preserve peace and votebanks..There can be no better example than this is the statement of Mulayamsingh yadav in parliament of india that only kisans and muslims developed india.

VINOD
Aug 18, 2014 09:33am

A brilliant article. That is why we love to read Dawn so much. It vibrates with knowledge and highest standards of journalism. Congratulations for this brilliant article. For most of us in India a serious concern is what the author has said "Such is the power and influence of the polemicists that a growing number of people are abandoning the quest for an objective approach. With the recent appointment of a Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS)-oriented Chairman of the Indian Council for Historical Research, liberal and secular historians are worried about the future of their discipline." I must say here that I first came to know about "Dawn" in 1949. I had a friend in class 9 and his name was also Vinod. His family was uprooted from Karachi in 1947. His father 'Mr Lal' was an editor with Dawn and and he used to tell me lots of stories about the grand city of Karachi. Can some one tell me what was Mr Lal with Dawn.

Jayant
Aug 18, 2014 10:14am

Today is Gokul Ashtami - 5156 birth day of Lord Shrikrishna. On this auspicious day I pray to the Almighty that let two countries come together once again and live peacefully Forget mine and yours. Let us publish only GOOD NEWS!.

Sudhanshu Swami
Aug 18, 2014 10:18am

@zak @MHF Please give references of any Indian school text book which teaches lie.

Abidi
Aug 18, 2014 10:44am

@Lyallpuri we are in need of value integration more then before.

Hashim
Aug 18, 2014 11:08am

Well written! I do agree with the author that history is distorted (in-fact I think distortion of history is a truly global phenomenon). However I cannot openly accept that mass differences between people from both Hindu and Muslim faiths did not create a need for the creation of Pakistan, and it was just a strategic move on part of the Muslim aristocracy from UP, Punjab and Bengal to keep greater power in the absence of the British. The riots that followed the partition are well documented (even by western historians), so I would like to sit on the fence a bit!

Malick
Aug 18, 2014 11:16am

Hola!!!!! Bravo!!!!! Well done!!!! What an Article. YEAH!!!!!!! It has become a trend in Pakistan that any fame hungry fox, when unable to reach the Grapes, starts badmouthing the ideology of Pakistan, the existence of Pakistan, the people of Pakistan and sometimes the Muslim history as a whole. The fact is that this country has so much of talent and minds that these lame foxes fail to reach their targets and all they can do is bad mouth the country which has bought them to the point where they stand today. It is the easiest and shortest route to fame in Pakistan nowadays. The fact is that these failed journalists and Media Persons are then hired by foreign intelligence agencies for the very job of injecting despair, frustration and failure into the young masses. The world has experienced the conspiracy played by Americans in Afghanistan, Iraq and many other countries that cost lives, economies, and changed world demographics without any permanent gains. Americans still teach their masses that they have been victorious and achieved their targets which hardly can someone agree. Americans never achieved their goals in Vietnam, North Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq but never teach this fact. Indians had a Big time fighting in Kargil before their Prime Minister Vagpayee ran about to gain International Support and pressurize Pakistan for withdrawal but they teach their masses that they were damn victorious and forced the enemy out of their land owning to their brave soldiers. But it is only when it comes to us is the whole world so truth loving and truth speaking. Why does the ideology of Pakistan, the history of Pakistan, the People of Pakistan worry you guys so much. Can't you guys write something better like Does Santa really Exist??? Or Did the fairy mother in Cinderella really exist. I will teach my generations the same books and facts as far as it brings them patriotism and love for their motherland.

thavaseelan
Aug 18, 2014 11:35am

ISMAT RIAZ, pls elaborate on your statement "some Indian school texts documented by discerning authors " like prof.Nayyar. our text books are (were) never anti pak, or anti jinnah, or anti iqbal or anti ML or anti sir syed. every detail are described as a part and parcel of Indian freedom movement. theres no official version of any wars with PAK, but still every boby knows that we won all the paki wars and lost the china war in 1965. alas, we were thought that k2 is the highest mountain in india. Gilgit-baltistan and aksai chin is still in our maps, nobody knows pre 1970 sikkim.

the other view looks a bit over written, the facts and fears may sound a bit loud ; but in short, the essay looks like grumblings of a fallen man.

thavaseelan
Aug 18, 2014 11:45am

@MHF Interested in your accusation, kindly elaborate and let me know my ignorance.

Pankaj
Aug 18, 2014 12:06pm

@Hassan Syed "Actual fact is that people in Muslim majority provinces voted for Muslim League and they voted democratically based on their Muslim identity. Right or wrong, that was the fact and no one can change it." This is the biggest foly my dear. In that election, people didn't vote, only land-lords and graduates were allowed to vote. In those days less then 10% of total muslim population was literate and less 20% percent of hindu population was literate. Less then 10% of total muslim population and less than 3% of total Indian population supported muslim league. Do you think less than 3% votes are enough divide 5000 yrs old civilization killing 10 million people in that process?

A True INDIAN
Aug 18, 2014 12:42pm

Kudos to Dawn for publishing such an eye opening article. It proves Satyamev Jayate ( Truth shall always prevail ). There are a lot of people in my country who wish for a United India. (India Pakistan Blangladesh). Majority of citizens of India don't see the awam of Pakistan as its enemy. We were one once and we were divided for selfish gains of a few. I am hopeful that from this article the people of Pakistan will see India less as an enemy and more as a brother. It's a fact that in the entire history of India it has never attacked a nation first. It has always been attacked upon.

Pankaj
Aug 18, 2014 12:51pm

So, guys what is the solution? Now, when we know the problem, why can't we talk about solutions? Some of my suggestions:

(1) India, Pakistan , Bangladesh , Burma etc. should form a committee of historians/experts/intellectuals to re-write the history of the period when we were together. In this internet age, it is better to teach comfortable truths to next generation rather than telling lies and get shamefully exposed later. (2) Let us agree not to teach hate to our next-gen. We and our forefathers done it enough. Let us interpret the historical facts in neutral/non-political/religion neutral way. (3)This SAARC region can prosper only when our youngsters take pride in their common, multi-cultural, multi-religious, multi-lingual past. Otherwise they will also keep fighting and wasting their time/energy/money in non-productive discussions/fights like us. They will remain apologetic of their past and keep finding escape routes like our generation did. (4) I can also make a SAARC history web-site, that may have authentic resources/references from authentic historians/writers of this region. It should be purely forums of intellectuals without any government support/interference of any SAARC country. More solutions/suggestions are welcome.

ananya
Aug 18, 2014 01:06pm

@Malick Does one have to falsify facts to induce patriotism? All you need to do is believe in your conviction that you want to be separate and create a state based on some high ideals. That should be enough to induce love for your motherland and patriotism. To twist history in such a blatant manner is a shame, let alone the fact that it puts your books up for laughs.

Suren Singh Sahni
Aug 18, 2014 01:20pm

One of the Great newspapers of the world. Forthright and impartial
Keep the flame burning.

gopal
Aug 18, 2014 01:32pm

@zak Is that the reason why your actors and actresses are moving to Bollywood?

gopal
Aug 18, 2014 01:35pm

@Hassan Syed Not at all.Nobody in India in their sane mind wants to join Pakistan. In fact, there are too many Muslims already in India to give enough headache. We want to be away from Pakistan as far as possible.

An Indian
Aug 18, 2014 01:42pm

@Malick re: Kargil uhmmm!!! I was under the impression (from Pakistani sites ofcourse) that it was Nawaz Sharif (your current PM) who actually sold you guys out when Mushy & company were all so ready to storm and capture the Red Fort.

For some unknown reason he went with his tail between his legs to that arch-whatever Bill Clinton to pull his chestnuts out of the fire.

BTW, why did you guys vote for him if he was so obviously a traitor?

Vajpayee never went anywhere.

zak
Aug 18, 2014 03:34pm

@Manoj and one cannot say the same for Indian media.

kirti p sud
Aug 18, 2014 03:37pm

Good some truth is out perhaps the hatred should be routed out and relations cemented for prosperity of the whole region, criminals politicians with criminal background and preachers of false religious beliefs should be appropriately punished

zak
Aug 18, 2014 03:42pm

@Manjul Pant Reason is you could not hide it as the world wrote about it.

zak
Aug 18, 2014 03:44pm

@ahmed Best post on this forum-thank you.

zak
Aug 18, 2014 03:48pm

@bala They did liberate half of Kashmir, the one which is not fighting for freedom,

zak
Aug 18, 2014 03:58pm

@Suren Singh Sahni wish India had a few of DAWN s calibre in their midst

An Indian
Aug 18, 2014 04:15pm

@zak thanks for pointing to @ahmed's post. @ahmed Bravo!!! This is now a balanced perspective. I salute you. Let us work together and realize our respective destinies amicably.

Anup
Aug 18, 2014 04:49pm

@zak Please check poverty levels in Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. Aggregate score will be more than India.

Swabhiman
Aug 18, 2014 06:00pm

@El Cid Only difference is of our religions. Your ancestors were converted but my ancestors kept theirs.

2cents
Aug 18, 2014 08:04pm

@Harmony: Just to clarify, Indian Textbooks tell the fact that it's built by Shah Jahan for his wife!! There is an email flowing around that claims that it was built before Shah Jahan. So that's the reason that person was arguing with you.

GMK
Aug 18, 2014 08:30pm

@Hassan Syed Saulute u

afroze fatemah
Aug 19, 2014 12:33am

the truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it .

if the truth is not taught in national curriculam then why dont people go for alternative means?

Rahul Pandey
Aug 19, 2014 03:16am

Great article. The mainstream folks in India and Pakistan need such articles -- they can figure out the truth themselves and form opinions. Indian history as taught in Schools do not seem to preach hatred -- maybe because the country as a whole is a secular nation. At least, I don't grow up hating Pakistan or any other country for that matter.

One BIG lie in Indian textbook though is the map. It shows the whole of Kashmir as part of India. That is so lame .. half the state is not under India's control. We should make peace and agree to make the current loc as the international boundary. As for the rest, I just wish both nations can move beyond Kashmir... maybe, give it a status quo for 10 years and focus on other stuff.

Akil Akhtar
Aug 19, 2014 07:17am

What a shameful attempt at undermining Pakistan and pleasing those across the border. We must be the only people on earth who support foreign agendas more than our own national one.

N USA
Aug 19, 2014 07:28am

@Hafeez,Canada ...you speak like person who witnessed the 1857 mutiny...! whatever happened...Partition was good for India.

irshad
Aug 19, 2014 09:39am

They have made joke of themselves our so called Educationists. they write something that no body outside Pakistan reads and they ill-educate the students.

rehan
Aug 19, 2014 11:20am

I am sure I will sound like a religious , terrorist , Islamist zealot but can you please have a look at the translation of the first verses of Quran that you have given [ in parenthesis ] . Also , please ensure that you give proper references at the end of the article so that the readers would also go through the material that you used here.

Akil Akhtar
Aug 19, 2014 11:34am

@Swabhiman Not true, there are differences of race, culture, food, language etc from Pathans at one end to Bangalis at the other or Tamils down south. If there was no difference then north indians would be marrying south indians more than they are today.

guddi
Aug 19, 2014 12:54pm

Partition was good for the Hindus. After nearly seventy years, Hindus are still in one piece. Muslims are in three pieces, and will be many more in future.

Rajgopal
Aug 19, 2014 01:57pm

By such lies being taught to children, Pakistan is doing a great disservice to its own citizens.

Mustafa
Aug 19, 2014 02:33pm

Another lie! Imran Khan won the world cup for Pakistan

Ikbalbuland
Aug 19, 2014 03:03pm

@Akil Akhtar Their is no unity in Ummah. Saudis have declared Pakistani girls unfit to be married to Arabs. I don't think there is any such restriction by any other Govt.

Sheraz Jabar
Aug 19, 2014 03:05pm

@Aslam Shaikh i appriciate your feelings

Sheraz Jabar
Aug 19, 2014 03:08pm

@Mushtaq great

AshamedofBeingPakistani
Aug 19, 2014 03:18pm

Thank god, my kids are not in Pakistani schools

Amarnath
Aug 19, 2014 05:39pm

please translate to urdu. truth should be disseminated far and wide.

Tony Singh
Aug 19, 2014 05:56pm

@QE X In which Indian history textbook did you read that? Ever visited Taj Mahal? The introduction itself says it was concieved and designed by muslim architect. There is a limit to blatant lies.

Jaleel Rahman
Aug 19, 2014 08:44pm

I like the idea of Pankaj to form a committee of four countries to fix the history of the region for the sake of future generations.Do not expect this from the political leadership. Intellectual and social scientists have to take the lead.

mirza
Aug 19, 2014 08:51pm

We may look at the process of Textbook writing in Pakistan- the whole process is based on the formulation of curriculum design for every class and subject. who did it? a committee appointed by the federal Government after seeking nominations of the Provincial Governme/nts and Areas. How textbook is created? the Provincial Governments have established their own Textbook Boards which appoint the textbook writers. Now in this context there is very little scope of any innovative approach. The best formula for a good textbook in countries like ours is not very different from a formula of a box office film,though the ingredients are different. We are the best, we did everything in this world are the keywords here. Don't be surprised if somebody claims inventing the wheel, visiting the Tajmahal few years back the guide was informing that it was constructed by some Hindu Maharaja! ( an American tourist asked him what the Moghuls were doing here?) Look even the school history books of UK and France the information about each other is a matter of choice, what they say " your point of view, my point of view and the truth" .

indian
Aug 20, 2014 07:41am

I salute the courage of this writer to bring out the truth. The points(atleast the reality side of it, as I am not aware of what is taught in Pakistan) is very true.

The principles of tolerance, democracy and liberalism is essential for development of any civilization, which can bring peace to everyone

Sahil
Aug 20, 2014 01:58pm

@zak we in India are not taught story of Lord ram or any hindu gods as history btw there was a centuries old Ram temple before Aurangzeb ordered its destruction and subsequently babri masjid was built over it. We share a common history Indus valley civilization and Ashoka were part of our history just like Mughals or Lodhi dynasties accept it or not...period

Sonal
Aug 20, 2014 03:35pm

@vijay I fully agree with you. In everything I studied in India I never read a negative thing about Jinnah, it was always about independence from the British. And the stuff about Taj Mahal and Red Fort are crap. Guys, remember that we have lots of Muslims in India so we can't teach anti Muslim stuff in classrooms - that would be a disaster.

MadHatter
Aug 20, 2014 04:23pm

@A Proud Pakistani

"Great Britain tells their people that Muslims lost the crusades by attrition"

No it doesn't. You've completely made that up.

tikamdas
Aug 20, 2014 05:20pm

@Hasham Usmani Usmani sahib reflects the all pervading thinking, feelings of vast majority of opinion in the subcontinent.

Suresh B. Gokhale
Aug 20, 2014 10:09pm

Why can't we Hindustan, Pakistan & Bangla desh unite and live peacefully?

Our ancestors are same, our blood is same.

Aam Pakistani
Aug 20, 2014 10:51pm

@Suresh B. Gokhale : Dear Suresh, yes apparent it looks good. But to achieve this objective - at first why can't India solve the problem of Kashmir and build confidence of Pakistan to do so? Why don't it solve the problem of Siachin and Sir Creak which are very minor issues as compared to re-uniting these three countries. Also, why can't it improves the socioeconimic condition of Indian Muslim and bring it at of mainstream Hindu community? I am sure these emasures will be helpful to convince the masses in Pakistan and Bangladesh to think of the possibility of re-union. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Zahid Ahmad
Aug 21, 2014 06:30pm

@M.Saeed Please correct your basic information about islamic history.Its impossible that a mosque was built in 612A.D which means almost the same time as the emergence of Islam in Arabia.