NEW DELHI: India lodged a diplomatic protest Tuesday with Pakistan over an attack on an army post in the disputed Kashmir region in which five of its soldiers were killed, Defence Minister A. K. Antony said.

“The government of India has lodged a strong protest with the government of Pakistan through diplomatic channels,” Antony told lawmakers.

“The attack was carried out by 20 heavily-armed terrorists, along with persons in Pakistani army uniform,” he added.

To lodge its protest over the soldiers’ killing, India summoned Pakistan's deputy envoy to New Delhi, an Indian government source said.

The development came hours after India accused Pakistani troops of involvement in the killing.

The attack on a post in Poonch came just as India and Pakistan were preparing to resume peace talks broken off since January when tensions rose following the beheading of an Indian soldier in a border clash, also in Poonch.

“The Pakistan deputy high commissioner was called a short while ago and a strong protest was lodged by the government over the incident at the LoC,” the source said, referring to the Line of Control dividing Kashmir.

Pakistan has denied any involvement in the incident.

The five were killed late Monday at an outpost some 200 kilometres south of Srinagar, Indian officials said.

The picturesque Himalayan territory of Kashmir is divided between India and Pakistan by a UN-monitored de facto border known as the Line of Control (LOC), but is claimed in full by both countries.

“Pakistani troops simply attacked the Indian post, violating the ceasefire, and they killed five of our soldiers,” a senior army official in Indian-administered Kashmir told AFP on condition of anonymity.

Another Indian army official in Kashmir said only one soldier had escaped with his life in the ambush of an army patrol.

“This was a patrol party of six soldiers. We have had fatalities and one has survived the ambush,” he said.

The Pakistan army however denied responsibility.

“No Pakistani troops either crossed into India nor carried out any unprovoked firing. The Indian allegations are totally baseless,” a Pakistani military spokesman told AFP in Islamabad.

The Foreign Office also rejected allegations of Pakistan’s involvement as “baseless and unfounded”, saying the country’s was committed to its ceasefire promises and wanted to resume peace talks with India soon.

“Our military authorities have confirmed that there had been no exchange of fire that could have resulted in such an incident,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. “These are baseless and unfounded allegations.”

“Pakistan is committed to a constructive, sustained and result-oriented process of engagement with India and looks forward to an early resumption of the dialogue process.”

Hopes of progress in the beleaguered peace process have risen in recent weeks but Omar Abdullah, the state's chief minister, said the attack would undermine efforts at rapprochement.

“Was briefed early this morning about news that 5 of our soldiers had been killed on the LOC. My heartfelt condolences to their next of kin,” Abdullah tweeted.

India and Pakistan have fought three wars since their independence from Britain in 1947, two of them over Kashmir.

A deadly flare-up along the LoC border in January brought low-level peace talks to a halt which had only just resumed after a three-year hiatus sparked by the 2008 attacks in Mumbai that killed 166 people.

However, the election of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in May's polls has fuelled expectations of a rapprochement.

Sujatha Singh, India's new foreign secretary, said last Thursday that India would be “picking up the threads” of peace talks with the new Pakistani government.

Singh however said that any dialogue with Islamabad “presupposes an environment free of violence and of terror”.

Speaking on the same day, Sharif reiterated his desire to boost ties with India and included Kashmir on a list of issues that had to be tackled.

“We will boost trade, we will boost business and will boost investment with India,” the premier told reporters in Karachi.

“We will also try our best to solve all longstanding issues with India, including Kashmir.”

While there was no immediate comment from the Indian government about the diplomatic impact of Monday's incident, the main oppposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) said talks could not take place in such an environment.

“Pakistan has killed our soldiers today and this is becoming a routine. They are very aggressive...why are we holding talks with such country?” Yashwant Sinha, one of the BJP's leaders, told lawmakers.

“It is time we give a powerful reply. Our army is not weak. We should not ignore this deadly incident.”

Indian analysts said the attack would undermine New Delhi's trust in the new Sharif government in Islamabad.

“This incident will have a serious impact on the relations between India and Pakistan, said Lalit Mansingh, a former foreign secretary.

“It shows that maybe the Pakistani leadership is not fully on board to hold talks.”

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sudhanshu
August 6, 2013 12:03 pm

There is a urgent need again for partition of pakistan

sanjeev gupta
August 6, 2013 12:14 pm

ham na sudharen sudhare jug sara na khud shukh se rahenge na kisi ko rahane dege great pakistan

Fahad
August 6, 2013 12:16 pm

"Pakistan denies involvement." So what else is new

BISWAJIT ROY
August 6, 2013 12:35 pm

Pakistan playing a dangerous game..although violence is day to day business in pakistan and considering taliban threat to pakistan existence it will be difficult to maintain calm for india for not to complicate things for pakistan further.

Prasad Vinchurkar
August 6, 2013 12:37 pm

In India, we have many hopes from newly elected Pakistan Prime minister Mr. Navaz Sharif. But this kind of incident will act as a barrier between positive talks and relations. Being an Indian I thought that this type of attack is very shameful act.

nishant
August 6, 2013 12:52 pm

so let me get this right, pakistan admit that 5 indian soldiers have been killed along the LOC but they are not admiting the fact that they killed them...i guess they just died..its amazing how much lie come out of one nation..lies after lies after lies after lies

A Kashmiri
August 6, 2013 2:41 pm

why didn't India create that much fuss when a Pakistani solider was murdered by Indian troops last week? anyway Pak Army has no involvement in this, period! RIP those who died.

Sonal
August 6, 2013 3:23 pm

IndoPak peace ain't happening in this lifetime :) It's difficult to even imagine a world where India and Pakistan are neutral towards each other, let aside cordial!

And it’s hard to say anymore who is telling the truth, who is lying, who is right, who is wrong – India accuses, Pakistan denies; Pakistan accuses, India denies – the content of this article has become such an everyday occurrence, it’s boring.

Both countries need to grow up - seriously!!

Mohnish
August 6, 2013 4:14 pm

Another attack in LoC ... and another 'state of denial' by Pak officials....

pradeep
August 6, 2013 5:15 pm

He look like an elderly man go to buy milk in early morning Surprised.

Ravi
August 6, 2013 6:33 pm

Pakistan's denials are hollow and a strong action is needed from India. Whenever, such attacks happen Pakistan army comes out with blatant denial. This is too much for India to ignore. It is time for India to put a price tag on such kind of provocations from Pakistan army.

Javed Mir
August 6, 2013 6:37 pm

That means the peace window which was recently opened, has now again broken into peace by this unwanted incident and also denied by Pakistan.

Javed Mir
August 6, 2013 6:40 pm

That means the window of opportunity which was recently opened by the back channel diplomacy seems to have been closed gain by this unwanted incident which has been denied by the Pakistani authorities.

Shyam
August 6, 2013 6:52 pm

Not sure who to believe and who not. The media on both sides up the ante and bury the truth.

The only true thing is loss of innocent lives and increase in hatred on both sides when incidents like these happen. My heart goes sad when I imagine what the families of those who lose lives go through.

When will this all end I wonder.

Bombay Beatz
August 6, 2013 7:07 pm

Here we go again.

Sunil Sinha
August 6, 2013 7:22 pm

PM Nawab Sharaf said that Pakistan soil will not be used for terror activities and yet it continues. Pakistan rangers job is to infiltrate terrorists inside India and Afghanistan to carry out subversion, and India's BSF is stop infiltrators and terrorists from Pakistan, Bangladesh. Pakistan is a nation cannot be trusted, since its creation. India must stop all diplomatic relations.

Ali
August 6, 2013 7:39 pm

May I ask Omar_Abdullah why he never tweeted when a Pakistani soldier was killed earlier

http://dawn.com/news/1032308/pakistan-army-soldier-killed-in-kashmir-border-firing-ispr

These unfortunate incidents must be stopped and things brought to normal. Precious life wasted on both side.

muzammil ullah khan
August 6, 2013 8:32 pm

Expecting thaw in Indian Pakistani relations while there are hawks on both sides , more on Indian side , is almost impossible .

Muhammad Ahmed Mufti
August 6, 2013 8:59 pm

@sudhanshu: The price of such an adventure will be a nuclear war with no winners. I hope India has smarter people than you.

Sonal
August 6, 2013 9:03 pm

IndoPak peace ain't happening in this lifetime :) It's difficult to even imagine a world where India and Pakistan are neutral towards each other, let aside cordial!

And it’s hard to say anymore who is telling the truth, who is lying, who is right, who is wrong – India accuses, Pakistan denies; Pakistan accuses, India denies – the content of this article has become such an everyday occurrence, it’s boring.

Both countries need to grow up – seriously!!

Reality_check
August 6, 2013 9:15 pm

I suppose many of the commenters here are unaware that those committing terrorist attacks whether it is happening in India or Pakistan, are the enemies of peace between the two nations. There are those whose interests are fulfilled by having India and Pak at war with each other.
Many of the Indians will probably be happy to see Pak destroyed, but they don't realize that India will be the next on the chopping block. An unstable Afghanistan leads to an unstable Pakistan which leads to an unstable India and so forth. South Asia is doomed..We must unite and not let this happen.

Silajit
August 6, 2013 9:21 pm

This is the Pakistani establishment saying that they are not on board with the civilian government's plan to improve relations with India. It doesn't matter if all the civilian parties wanted better relations. Pakistan might as well make the army permanently in charge of foreign affairs and defense and dispense with the charade. Otherwise there's just unnecessary hope being generated..

Dr Haseeb
August 6, 2013 9:21 pm

Another dramma from india

karur
August 6, 2013 9:22 pm

@Fahad:

The reality is that, Pakistan may be genuinely unaware of this and other incidents. It is easy for anyone to wear any uniform and find weapons to cause havoc

Dinesh
August 6, 2013 9:37 pm

It is interest of India Pakistan and world peace that rouge army of Pakistan is destroyed.

Rajeev Agarwal
August 6, 2013 9:44 pm

is there any third party involved in this attach who do not want that India and Pakistan to resume peace talks?

Ahmer
August 6, 2013 9:54 pm

India goes through these gyrations periodically for its domestic consumption. We should just ignore its fulminations and keep issuing wise statements favouring peace as done now. We have been through this many times. India will soon be back on the table as in the past.

Captain
August 6, 2013 10:12 pm

The country has been labeled with bad name,It can not remain the dream of founder.

Rizwan
August 6, 2013 10:13 pm

@nishant: Exactly, they just died. Just like the Pakistani soldiers magically die every now and then on this side of the border. No one's an angel here my friend, so let's drop the act and try to find a realistic solution where politicians and military of BOTH nations put the people's interest before their own.

Anand
August 6, 2013 10:15 pm

@nishant:

It is precisely Pakistan's compulsive lying on atters of cross border terrorism be it in Afghanistan, Iran, India or elsewhere that the world powers no longer put one cent of trust in Pakistan.

Ali Jan
August 6, 2013 10:20 pm

@sudhanshu:

Come and try to do that. We will be waiting

Gorukh Singh
August 6, 2013 10:29 pm

Indians have been killing their own soldiers in past for the sake of putting blame on Pakistan. This event has the same signatures. Let's see how Indians play their natak this time.

zalim_khan
August 6, 2013 10:34 pm

Let's get this "right" Its OK for Indians to shoot at Pakistani soldiers totally unprovoked, and then when 'some" Indian soldiers get killed in a similar fashion, its "all innocence" on part of the Indians. come on "who's leg are you trying to pull? Stop this nonsense if you are serious about peace!

Observer
August 6, 2013 10:53 pm

Five Indian soldiers were shot dead at LOC. Pakistan was not involved and there was no such incidence---end of the matter as far as Pakistan is concerned. Now let us talk peace--that is the spirit.

a
August 6, 2013 10:53 pm

It serves the indian solders right. When the indians cross the border and kill Pakistani soldiers, then there is no such cry from you guys. Pakistan army is strong and will defend any sort of aggression shown by india. Let this be a lesson for india that Pakistan will not take anything lightly on its border. Pakistan zindabad.

Rana
August 6, 2013 11:09 pm

You Indians need another Lady Mountbatten so your leaders can sleep with her and get favours for India.Lol!

SaiaS
August 6, 2013 11:18 pm

Who's the winner in all this? Terror. We'd be blind to not see the main benefactor. The main benefactor usually is the prime suspect. Neither Pakistan nor India really want a war... and I'd sure like to believe that a working civilian govt has finally come through to take peace forward.

To Indians and Pakistanis alike:

Terror doesn't operate with boundaries. Neither should we if we want to have any chance of defeating them.

Wish we had consistent peace and brotherhood... There is so much to learn and explore - i'd be creating my own 'Motorcycle Diaries' - From Kyber to Kanyakumari

kumar
August 6, 2013 11:28 pm

@A Kashmiri: They died by some supernatural power with Pakistani bullets. What an argument

sfomann
August 6, 2013 11:39 pm

Its interesting that when innocent Kashmirs are ruthlessly murdered by the Indian army, all the Indians commenting here, will disappear quietly and it does not show up on any news. And here they are all jumping and giving us a moral lecture. Disgusting...What goes around comes around

arshy
August 6, 2013 11:42 pm

India is so redundant ... maybe it would be best if Pakistan/India just vacated Kashmir .. Problem Solved ..... India has way too many troops in Kashmir and obviously this is a threat to Pakistan being so close to its border and India should be careful as it's army is sub standard to a Pakistani Regiment ...

Mukul
August 6, 2013 11:49 pm

This is a vicious cycle.. We attack each other on borders because of lack of trust, and since these attacks happen..the trust gets reduced further, leading to more of such skirmishes. If the countries need to live happily and for benefit of the citizens, this cycle must be broken. Not a hidden truth, that certain groups in both the countries dont want the relationship to grow cordial, because their bread and butter depends on hatred between the two countries. Who lose in all of this is the citizenary of India and Pak. Its high time now, that this parochialism be pushed aside and both countries move forward towards peace. Enough resources been shed in futile hostility, which could have been used for good both sides.

MLE`
August 6, 2013 11:52 pm

@sudhanshu: Mind over heart. It's not as if indians are all angels.

Drew
August 7, 2013 12:30 am

Protesting to Paki Govt. and their denial is as dumb as it can gets. Army petrol is there to thwart any danger of infiltration and call in for reinforcement if they are overwhelmed. Nobody cares about the protest the reprisal only can be met with action. Launch a fight immediately. Indian soldiers are truly dumnb

BULL PITAJI
August 7, 2013 12:31 am

@sudhanshu: There is an urgent need to break India now.

Javed
August 7, 2013 12:32 am

Pakistan gets away with anything as far as Congress is in power.

Cross
August 7, 2013 12:40 am

The best option here is enmasse marriages between indian and pakistani young men and women. We are like neighboring states, we should not be fighting this meaningless fight anymore.

A non_bigot
August 7, 2013 12:55 am

@A Kashmiri: Please share a copy of your special investigation.

Irfan
August 7, 2013 1:09 am

Another drama by India

Imran
August 7, 2013 1:52 am

Its interesting how something flares up at the LoC just as some peace move is about to take place between India and Pakistan. Too much of a coincidence? Pakistan army is up to it's neck in FATA, why on earth would it want to open up another front on the East? Isn't this too obvious to both sides. The peace process is being sabotaged. Question is : by who?

Silajit
August 7, 2013 2:17 am

This is the army saying that they are not on board with the civilian government's plan to improve relations with India.

It doesn't matter if all the civilian parties wanted better relations. Pakistan might as well make the army permanently in charge of foreign affairs and defense and dispense with the charade.

Otherwise there's just unnecessary hope being generated..

A sgah
August 7, 2013 2:30 am

We in Pakistan must learn that we can not rise by holding others down, we must develop, educate, grow as a nation instead of trying to hold everybody else back.

Haider
August 7, 2013 2:57 am

@Mohnish: What makes you think its Pakistan only, Indian Army has a history of fake encounters and escalation happens whenever there is a real possibility of some dialog. There is a UN mission along LOC which India deny's full access but Pakistan has given them open hand. Let them verify and we shall see who is the true violator. I am sure if India is innocent they would have no objection. Besides India instigated by murdering one of Pakistani Jawans...

Haider
August 7, 2013 3:00 am

@nishant: Where did they admit, you sound like the Indian tabloid media.... :)

Haider
August 7, 2013 3:09 am

@BISWAJIT ROY: Bring it on, these bogus threats are for weaklings like you. India is no safer place several stats are burning, so clean up your house first. You instigate and pretend to be innocent. Now there are reports of Mumbai being fabricated. India is feeling vulnerable, as coalition is leaving and Pakistan is moving towards firmer grounds.

Haider
August 7, 2013 3:13 am

@Sonal: Thank you, the only sound and mature comment.....

Ahmed
August 7, 2013 3:34 am

@Sonal: sorry to burst your bubble, but Pakistan NEVER accused india of anything. They didnt even blame the creation of bangladesh on the indians and instead chose to lay the blame internally. So its only india blaming Pakistan for every and anything that goes wrong in idnia.

Adnan
August 7, 2013 4:45 am

@Prasad Vinchurkar: keep hoping!

Rao
August 7, 2013 5:12 am

How come these border skirmishes happen whenever there is some hope of peace between the nations...Pak Army doesn't want peace with India.

Manish Gupte, PhD
August 7, 2013 5:33 am

India-Pakistan-Iran-Afganistan trade stabilizes the region! I consider myself Pakistani also.

Hassan
August 7, 2013 5:52 am

Next time both parties want to sit and resume dialogues, please do yourself and everyone a favor. Don't make it public... it simple alerts the wrong people and they for unknown reasons disrupt the process by doing such things....

Hassan
August 7, 2013 5:59 am

@Sonal: I totally agree with you Sonal, the public is sick and tired of listening to accusations and denials by both countries. It is depressing specially on our side as a Pakistani we are frustrated with long list of things like internal security, sectarian killing, terrorist activities, shortage of electricity, inflation, unemployment, flooding due to poor sewerage system, poor managed education system and poor healthcare facilities, corrupt politicians & police, corrupt judiciary... the list goes on and on...

Talha
August 7, 2013 6:33 am

Eh.. Indians why do you guys suddenly get so angry? Take a break. You have done more than this so "IF" Pak Army did this to 5 of your soldiers, they are still far behind. I am sure truth will be uncovered later on, just like what happened in Mumbai blasts. Peace.

Ahmed
August 7, 2013 6:40 am

@Sonal: I really like your comment primarily because you think that India might also be lying here. Bravo. Usually Indians blindly trust their own government and establishment. Something that Pakistanis learnt to avoid long time ago. If you maintain your neutral approach toward Indo-Pak relations, you will understand that not everything said by Indian authorities makes sense.

Syed Husain
August 7, 2013 6:48 am

I believe in tit for tat. Indian soldiers killed a Pakistani solider last week. This week, Pakistan reciprocated by killing five Indian soldiers. I guess that is the only language that India can understand. My Indian friends, just keep one thing in mind - when you ask for it, you will get it.

Faiz
August 7, 2013 6:53 am

@Prasad Vinchurkar: It is shameful indeed but so is a killing of a Pakistani soldier and 14 innocent Kashmiri protesters.

Deep
August 7, 2013 7:32 am

Kayani is pulling a Musharaf on Nawaz Sharif.

Kausik
August 7, 2013 8:05 am

So as I suspected sabotaging of nawab sharif and its democratically elected govt begins as army and generals are again in margin mind set.just check on what respected journalist in Pakistan revealed the truth on u tube about who started last 4 wars between India and Pakistan.mr sethi makes it very clear.it is a tragedy of not having peaceful coexistence.abid rao says India will never want Pakistan and I agree with him.this India phobia has to stop and let democracy work.

sachal
August 7, 2013 8:06 am

for more than 60 yrs the two countries have considered each other enemies. they created state organs whose sole purpose was to hurt the other country. those organs are unaccountable. they r not gonna give up their powers that easily. they sabotage all moves for peace. they can be found in media, army etc. real losers are the masses of the two countries and the soldiers that die for nothing.

NASAH (USA)
August 7, 2013 8:11 am

Strange indeed -- whenever reconciliation talks are about to start bettween India and Pakistan -- an 'incident' happens at the LOC to derail the talks.

Is it coincidental or deliberate? May be the talks should begin at the LOC -- between the soldiers first -- and then go backward to diplomats and PMs in Islamabad and Delhi

Suryaman Shaktiman
August 7, 2013 8:15 am

Our leaders(loosers) think who cares when few are killed, we have billions. Just throw them some money rest will be fine.

Michael Van Benn
August 7, 2013 8:29 am

This is where you have the PAK army playing its role in creating "Job Security" for itself. There is no interest in the military organization to maintain any sort of peace as that hits there financial budgets. So there needs to be constant noise or instability from their part to keep their huge presence justified.

Imran
August 7, 2013 8:36 am

"Pakistan has denied any involvement in the incident." So what else is new.

Prashant Mandake
August 7, 2013 8:37 am

This is very sad state of affairs. Soldiers have died. So many lives are lost on either side. Families are shattered on both side. Bullet fr bullet or life fr life cant solve this problem. And we all have seen it fr last 60 years. Let's not complicate the issue further. There are enough wise people in both the nations. It's time to stop blame game, seat down together with a purpose n for a purpose.

Kul
August 7, 2013 8:41 am

Pakistanis have been in self destruct mode from the day of their inception. They are ashamed of themselves. They are embarrassed of their own identity. Let Narinder Modi come in power ! He will be Ronald Reagan of India. Remember , Iranians freed hostages when he was still taking oath. We will see how Pakistan pays for killing 5 Indians.

Hussain
August 7, 2013 8:53 am

@Mohnish: another killing at LOC and again Pakistan is blamed.

aku
August 7, 2013 8:55 am

I am not surprised why Indians are reacting like this, but I am perplexed over the mysterious silence of our government officials over the Indian army's aggression tactics just last week: drone flying over Pakistan just when Kerry was visiting and killing of Pak soldier by the Indian forces. To all my Indian friends out there: this is tit for tat war guys, you sow what you reap.

aku
August 7, 2013 8:57 am

@sudhanshu: Same goes for India. Don't fool yourself buddy!

Rishi
August 7, 2013 9:40 am

No one knows what is right and what is wrong ..

khiskahua
August 7, 2013 9:48 am

Kill one of ours, we'll take out 5 of yours!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mustafa
August 7, 2013 10:15 am

@nishant:

Don't put words in our mouth, Pakistan has said nothing about if the Indian soldiers were killed or not, it only said that our army did not kill anyone.

Mustafa
August 7, 2013 10:22 am

@BISWAJIT ROY:

Roy ji, don't worry about us, just take care of yourself.

Akil AKhtar
August 7, 2013 10:25 am

Pakistan continues to be used by indian govts as a distraction from massive problems, poverty etc. at home. Their own intelligence officer has now said that india was behind 26/11. Just watching indian media gives you a good idea about their intolerance towards Pakistan which is used to unite a large and problem ridden society.

Ali
August 7, 2013 11:05 am

nobody knows until it is investigated what happened actually but one thing is true "THE MUMBAI ATTACKS were the act of India himself as it was the statement of high rand Intelligence Officer of India. And except of all things I am sorry for those people who are just watch news and read newspapers and believe everything. sorry for them. sorry for India

Zahid Anwer
August 7, 2013 11:19 am

@Prasad Vinchurkar: Boy it might could b the same case as it revealed recntly in regards to mumbai attacks...

Khanm
August 7, 2013 12:38 pm

Folks: is there ever going to be peace in indo Pak. I seriously doubt it for we are the creation of hate not love…war never determines who is right – only who is left… The release of atomic power has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one. Every gun that is made in either India or Pakistan, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. Is that what we want ????

Sangita
August 7, 2013 2:08 pm

Whats the point of talks with Pakistan when Govt. there is not in control and its more of a terrorist state than a democratic one?

Sonal
August 7, 2013 2:44 pm

This is interesting – from the number of likes and dislikes for these comments, and seeing that pro-India comments have more likes and pro-Pakistan comments have more dislikes, it’s evident that more Indians read the Dawn than Pakistanis! We have no other kaam dhanda :)

Adnan
August 7, 2013 2:46 pm

@Prasad Vinchurkar: YOU HAVE ANY HOPE FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT? THAT KILLED OWN INDIANS IN FALSEFIED AND CONSPIRED ATTACKS.. AND LIED TO YOU? STOP BEING SO INESCURE FROM PAK

as for your hope, let me tell you one thing.. don't hope too much! you are free to take what you want from this feedback. now please go and question your government about indian home grown terrorists.

Roney Indian
August 7, 2013 2:59 pm

@A Kashmiri:looks like you know who did it well, why dont you come out and reveal urself !

khalil
August 7, 2013 3:54 pm

@Reality_check: Very interesting analysis of the situation!

Aryan
August 7, 2013 3:57 pm

@Reality_check:

I must tell you one thing...I am a great nationalist... I love my country India a much...I can do any thing for my country in a positive sense...But having said that I too feel, your country people must be thinking in the same way...and I think your country prosper (not get destroyed) so that slowly the whole south asia should prosper

Lets make both of our country prosperous...with fighting and all nothing is going to happen I am pretty sure...Look at France and UK...they had fought bitter wars but in the current world they are living together as Frn...let the same happen between India and Pak....

It's actually the poor people who are struggling not the Political class....

Good luck to both country....

khalil
August 7, 2013 3:59 pm

@sudhanshu: I think the same should happen to India again. Its too big to control its affairs properly.

khalil
August 7, 2013 4:05 pm

@Javed Mir : There was never an opportunity in the first place. Its just lip service by the indians. Why should events of this sort derail the peace process?????? The peace process should address these sort of fatalities, running away from the table will not solve anything. Indians are always looking for ways to avoid talks hence the incidents of this sort.

khalil
August 7, 2013 4:18 pm

@Sunil Sinha: Ok. India stops diplomatic relations with PAK (which it has for a long time) What will that achieve??? Grow up man, its because of people like you India & PAk have not moved forward in the last 50 years.DIALOGUE is the only way forward and if that doesn't happen you and i will be sat discussing the same thing 50 years later. Sunil bhai, its people like you who need to open their minds and look beyond. I realise there are probs in PAK & no one denies this but closing diplomatic channels will not solve anything. Show some solidarity for once.

sachin
August 7, 2013 4:46 pm

@Reality_check: What a pathetic logic sir. How can an unstable Pakistan mean an unstable India ? Pakistan has been unstable since last 15 years now and it has not effected India except for the militant infiltrations. Please don't generalize your statement. India is strong enough to protect itself from any unstable neighbor.

ashwin
August 7, 2013 5:29 pm

@ Rizwan, agreed but my friend why it all repeatedly happened? and u know smthing? Mr Sharif or our dumbo Singh doesn't have that feeling for Pak or India respectively, they only wish to stick with their power, in this all we 'common man' has to suffer a lot, Let me ask smthing, this is our own blood we are burning by blaming each other nations when any incident happened in Pak or India (like Paki soldiers killed or Indian soldiers killed by cross border firing), these politicians soul died many years before, we all r fool dumbo who are barking here, I strongly condemned this incident (even if any similar act by India against Pak), it is not forgivable. RIP to those Jawans, May allah give punishment to those who involved. Aameen.

Srinivas Rao
August 7, 2013 6:39 pm

It is in the best interests of both countries to keep off each other for at least next 10 years. Media should also not to report each other news. Stop all peace and war talks and do one´s own business. Time will settle things and hopefully make people to develop likeness to each other.

Anurag
August 7, 2013 7:03 pm

I'm surprised at the naive comments from posters. There are forces that seek to destabilize any peace talks and agreements between Pakistan and India due to their vested interests. Whenever peace talks are about to happen, incidents like these are guaranteed to happen. The 2008 Mumbai attacks set back peace for years. What do we want now? That the peace process be pushed 2 years further?

The sane approach is for both sides to be on alert for any terror incidents, and it is for both governments to publicly declare that an agreement promoting peace and friendship will be signed at the earliest and no terror incident, however grave, on whichever side, shall be allowed to derail it.

Both governments have been talking peace for ages, now is the time to show that they mean business.

AK
August 7, 2013 7:27 pm

@Rao Pakistan is obsessed with India. Do not know why but they are simply crazy.Pakistan army cannot afford to loose control on the country and hence it maintains this level of engagement with India. Peace means no war with India and what will happen to all the well fed Generals good for nothing. It is all about job security for these Army personnel who have learnt nothing but to maintain bad relationship with India. USA attacks Pakistan every day but they are not bothered, Taliban launches attach every day but nothing happens. But here comes India and they all start jumping up and down. It is time Pakistan is cut in 3 pieces and made into smaller countries.

gozdeki@yahoo.com
August 7, 2013 8:13 pm

these actions by Pakistan are very predictable, hence a day before they do that at loc, india should already protest. nihat gozdeki

Peter Lobo
August 7, 2013 8:57 pm

@Akil AKhtar: Read the int'l papers and headley/rana and of course Kasab....what else is there to prove about 26/11. Look where India is in respect to economy (G-20) and the BRIC (Brazil-Russia-India-China), where is Pakistan. What is Pakistan known for in this worls.....come to every nook and corner of the world and you will see how much respect you have....you are known as a country of terrorists........that even Pakis in the Western workd call themselves desis to make them associated with Indians because of teh high regard and respect Indians have in every corner of the globe. Go empower your youth with educatyion/knowledge rather than hate and move yoru country forward rather than backward (Sharia/Islamization) etc. Why dont you listen to your own un-biased and knowledgable commentators like Hasan Nisar, Najam Sethi, Hamid Mir....your country needs more of these types.....

Bangash
August 7, 2013 9:12 pm

India is content to kill Kashmiris every week and call them "militants" but raises a hue and cry when Kashmiris retaliate against Indian occupation soldiers.

aslam minhas
August 7, 2013 9:51 pm

Like Pak army, Indian army too has started acting out of line. Remember once an Indian general on purpose used live ammunition in operation Brasstacks in 1986 near Pakistan borders; Rajiv Gandhi was shocked. When Nawaz Sharif was embracing Bajpai in Lahore a general did Kargil. Same thing is now happening in India. Already Indian army self-inflicted Parliament and Bombay attacks to generate hatred against Pakistan and to demand more funds. Samjhota Expresss arson was masterminded by an Indian serving colonel. And today when the two countries are ready to talk peace, this border incident is staged by the Indian Army. Indian generals learnt the trick of the trade from their across the border friends. We won't be surprised if India goes through the same regimen that we went through in 1958, 1968, 1977 and 1999! Welcome to the club!

Das
August 7, 2013 10:30 pm

@Adnan: So naive and brainwashed!!

Virendra
August 7, 2013 10:59 pm

Let me predict what is going to happen. Within a span of few weeks, an equal number of Pakistani soldiers would be dead near LoC. And this time it would be the Indian government and army denying that any such incident has taken place. And the cycle will continue. Only difference would be - there would be more Indians grieving for their deads, for they still believe in their army.

Roger
August 8, 2013 12:36 am

Pakistan have no controll over his army. Sometimes we confuses that who is running pakistan.. Its just bless of allah that they are geting food otherwise they are sameless to eat human too. And this is same reason for Bad histor of pakistan after independece. They have more Bad memories than before independence. Most of the PM's ra away from Pakistan and other are killed. No hope for Pakistan and we are expecting such tincidents from Pakistan coz they have jeolous about india's progress. have are morefeared

Javed
August 8, 2013 12:39 am

Any peace is not a lasting peace if all institutions of any country are not synchronized. This holds for both Pakistan & India. People can justify, remain in denial, or outright lie to the world but it does not bring peace. There is no need for cricket, cultural exchange or any such humanitarian exchange. Please stop all Visa processing on both sides of the border. Let's be enemies and that works with a large number of people. Let's see what this yields. This reconciliation will not happen until we need each other - till then both countries be happy on their sides of the border.

Rogee
August 8, 2013 12:41 am

@Ahmed: Pakistan dont have govt to trust... Hahaha

abdul rehman
August 8, 2013 1:51 am

@Kul: we will see. Your exaggerated claims and boastings prove falsified. Come out of your delusional world and it will be better for all indians. If you choose path of war, it will be assured mutual destruction

Arshd
August 8, 2013 3:34 am

And do you know it happened 5 km inside the Indian territory? Blaming Pakistan is the easiest way of covering up their own weaknesses. & VICE VERSA!

NASAH (USA)
August 8, 2013 6:15 am

@Syed Husain: "My Indian friends, just keep one thing in mind - when you ask for it, you will get it."

The problem comes -- when you don't ask for it and you get it -- that is a recipe for WAR that nobody asked for it.

Abid
August 8, 2013 1:03 pm

Instead of falling prey to the media rhetoric again, the Governments on both sides must chew it and behave sensibly. Peace initiatives already in the pipelines should not be deterred by such acts.

Sonal
August 8, 2013 2:15 pm

@Anurag:

I think your comment is very naive too. Don't you see that peace can NEVER happen?

It's like both sides are banging their against a brick wall. The brick wall has broken, but the heads seem to remain intact.

PleaseReadThis..Pakistan
August 8, 2013 2:44 pm

It all started with a separation, usually there are always two major reasons behind this kind of act, the first one (the very common one also) is based on mutual understanding or assertion between both the parties, those are getting separated. This is a very safe and much peaceful way of getting separated. By this way both the parties finally come at a common platform, have a common thinking and decide at one thing and that is, to get separated for the happiness and comfort to all. The second one is a bit obscure; it is obscure because in this kind of separation only one decides to get separate from the other. It is his/her wish to get separated from other, based on his/her choice and the reason could be anything. The “any reason” makes it obscure, a quite vague situation for the one who is at the other end of this act, who is still finding the reason which caused the separation.
And now the third one… an unusual one, this is the most harmful, painful and bloody kind. It is a violent separation, this separation is a bitter fruit laden on the branches of autocracy, fertilized with hate, terror, and loot and sprinkled with the blood of millions of innocents. And convicts are non-other than, the unhealthy interests and filthy intentions of the third party. Usually it is performed when third party seeks for some benefit out of it, it can be in any form financial, physical, a revenge or could be a social pillage.
Let’s discuss a bit in depth on this third kind… will go about 70 years back in Indian sub continent history and try to dig up few graves.
It was the year of 1947; place British India, the two separation seeking or rather being forced to get separated parties were “India” and “to be- Pakistan(east and west)” on the interest of British rule. Actually this example is a mix of second and third both kinds of separation. The second kind is included because a set of Indians suddenly “woke up” and asked to get separation from the rest of India or more specifically from a particular set of people who belongs to the other religion than that of their. They dreamed of a country in which only those people are allowed to live who come from the same religion, faith or belief. And apparently British had cashed out of their dreams.... continued to the next comment

saurabh
August 8, 2013 3:11 pm

The day Sun starts rising from west, expect peace from pakistan

Jahangir
August 8, 2013 4:26 pm

PM Nawaz has not spelled out his stance towards India except make plenty of friendly statements. I feel it is a pre-emptive strike to keep Nawaz from getting cuddly with India.

Raj
August 8, 2013 5:10 pm

@Javed: you are absolutely right Mr. javed. Both the countries are only wasting their precious time by cooperating with each other.

Deb
August 8, 2013 5:28 pm

@Hussain: And for good reason. It's easy to spot a trend.

khalid
August 8, 2013 7:28 pm

This is non sense when you say that the Government has no control . The so called incident as claimed by India happened about 5 km inside LOC on their side . The Indians have spent billions on fencing and this is being monitored run the clock .This drama has been staged by them like previous ones but on a small scale .

Ashes
August 8, 2013 10:58 pm

Guys It's simple. The realities of Mumbai attacks were now getting exposed and Indain media and public were demanding for real facts - True. Isn't it..

As always India needed to start a venture to 'provide people to look somewhere else' and divert public attention. No brainer.

Sid
August 9, 2013 12:04 am

@Ali: That's because he's an Indian citizen and a patriot at that. You have enough of those in your country who keep babbling about how innocent you are of all these incidents, when you know for a fact that many of these incidents happen with or without (most likely without) the knowledge of your civilian govt. you then are left in a position to defend their actions failing which your fate in the next election or coup would be sealed. it's nawaz sharif all over again and the likelihood of him completing his mandate seems remote. Seems we'll have to just be a lot more cautious and take preventive offensive action where reqd and the Indian army has a lot to do in terms of protecting its own as this incident shows.

anupam
August 9, 2013 3:52 am

@Javed: isnt that what pak army wants?

Mustafa
August 9, 2013 6:46 am

@Manish Gupte, PhD:

"India-Pakistan-Iran-Afganistan trade stabilizes the region! I consider myself Pakistani also."

Ah, inadvertently you have hit the nail right on the head. This facade of peace would provide you access to the riches of Central Asia and the Middle East while it would provide us access to the riches of Bangladesh. When it is time for genuine peace, it won't need any economic incentives. We are not a nation of Baniyas.

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