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June 3, 2003 Tuesday Rabi-us-Sani 2, 1424
Features


Is Sharon’s push for peace sincere or strategic?
Sharon can read Mein Kampf in an Indian train
Fear of dissolution not over
WB backs Sindh’s water case
Local govt system to stay
Nationalist politics today’s centrepiece: Mumtaz



Is Sharon’s push for peace sincere or strategic?


By Megan Stack & Rebecca Trounson

AL QUDS: He has alarmed the settlers whose homesteads he forged and financed, annoyed the right-wing party that pushed him to power and baffled erstwhile foes by calling for the end of Israeli “occupation” and pushing for a Palestinian state.

Perhaps most of all, however, he has bred a deep uncertainty over his intentions: Is Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon intent on bringing peace to his troubled homeland — or is he playing a savvy political game to buy time?

Long before he wore neckties and barrelled through corridors of power, Sharon was a soldier and a farmer. But now, under pressure from the United States, the aging leader is hinting that he might exchange both military control and land for a historic peace with the Palestinians.

The trouble is, nobody can figure out whether the famously enigmatic Sharon is sincere in his push for peace. And the prime minister isn’t clearing things up.

“The Sharon riddle wasn’t solved this week,” the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz reported on Thursday.

From the earliest whispers of the most recent round of peace talks, Sharon has undergone a series of whiplash reinventions. Consider the events of a single recent week: He made history by cajoling the Cabinet to endorse a peace plan that calls for a Palestinian state. He set off what former Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat called an “ideological earthquake” by telling his Likud Party that it was time to end the “occupation.”

But the Sharon who swore he’d beat the Palestinians with might and never negotiate under fire was still around. In the course of the same week, the Israeli leader vowed to keep a grip on East Jerusalem and publicly reassured an irate Jewish settler that his family could grow and flourish for generations to come on occupied Palestinian land.

His friends say even Sharon is wondering what Sharon will do.

“He has a debate with himself,” said Eli Landau, the former mayor of Herziliya who was an army buddy and aide to Sharon and remains a confidant. “But he has to decide. Because everything is on his shoulders, and he knows it.”

Even in this small country, a land where politicians appear to have nine lives, the rebirth of Sharon as Israel’s peacemaker is a peculiar phenomenon.

The son of hard-bitten Russian immigrants who pioneered land in what was then Palestine, the 75-year-old Sharon has been fighting for Jewish nationalism longer than Israel has existed. He was still a teen when he took up a gun and joined the paramilitary Haganah to fight British occupation.

Ever since, throughout his controversial military and political career, Sharon has pounded away at two projects: fighting Arabs and building a network of Jewish townships throughout the West Bank and Gaza Strip. For years, he dismissed Palestinian nationalism with an edged quip: Palestinians already have a state, he’d say — it’s called Jordan.

Some analysts are convinced that Sharon has undergone a sort of ideological change of life. The prime minister wouldn’t be the only Israeli to conclude that demographics, economics and public opinion are stacked against the occupation.

In the tradition of slain Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin — like Sharon, a former soldier — many Israelis have concluded that the Jewish state’s best hope for survival is to make peace, pull out of Palestinian territory and draw a hard border between Israel and a Palestinian state.

“I really believe this is his strategy,” said Ephraim Yuchtman-Yaar, head of a peace research center at Tel Aviv University. “I think he came to terms with the idea that in order to achieve peace and security, Israel has no choice but facilitate the establishment of a Palestinian state.”

And there are those who believe Sharon just might make peace — but only because the United States wants him to.

For better or worse, Sharon has cast his lot with the Americans.

The United States helped write the so-called roadmap to peace, which set out phased steps to Israeli security and a Palestinian state.

And when Bush, fresh from shattering Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq, turned his attention to the Middle East and took up the push for the languishing roadmap, Sharon had little choice but to go along. “I don’t believe it’s a matter of Sharon converting, and it certainly doesn’t mean Sharon is playing tricks,” Palestinian pollster and analyst Khalil Shikakiaki said. “It’s more than that — he is seeking survival. He doesn’t want to confront the US president.”

Many skeptics on both sides believe that’s all Sharon will do — take slow, reluctant actions to appease the United States and wait for Palestinian militants to give him a reason to abandon the peace plan.

“If this is a trick,” said Menachem Klein, a political analyst at Bar-Ilan University, “it will end quickly with the help of radicals.”

Observers on all sides agree that the true test will come if Sharon is obliged to destroy the settlements he laboured for years to create. The roadmap orders the abandonment of about 60 outposts of the settlements and a construction freeze in the rest.

“I am very skeptical whether the father of settlements will make them orphans,” said Yossi Sarid, a veteran lawmaker from the far-left Meretz party.

The far-right members of Sharon’s coalition believe Jewish settlers must “redeem the land” of the West Bank and Gaza. God gave the sun-washed terrain of olive groves and ancient limestone ruins to the Jewish people, they argue, and it would be a sin to relinquish the land to the Palestinians who now call it home.

Sharon, although something of a Bible student, sired the settlements mostly out of strategic impulse. He believed — and might still believe — that Israel should be insulated from Arab states by a buffer zone of turf.

Sharon’s views on security intersected neatly with the spiritual desires of Israel’s religious parties. And when the leftist Labour Party shunned Sharon this winter, he joined ranks with the far right instead.

Already, the marriage is uncomfortable. Settlers have condemned Sharon’s roadmap endorsement as an act of treason. “If he does not resign willingly, his party must distance itself from him and fire him,” settlers advocate Yisrael Harel wrote in a Haaretz opinion piece.

Analysts agree that Sharon’s first concern has always been national strategy and security, not religious ideology. “He doesn’t stop on the red light; he has no moral or ideological inhibitions,” said Israeli journalist Uzi Benjamin, who has been covering Sharon for years. “If he comes to the conclusion it’s time to make peace, or that he has no choice, he’ll be more ready than any other Israeli politician to abandon his views to yield to the circumstances.”

Some Israelis believe the hawkish Sharon has softened, that as he draws to the end of his career, he has become intent on going down in history as the father of Middle East peace.

Landau recalls motoring across the Sinai desert with Sharon three decades back. As the men toured the Egyptian countryside, Sharon was struck by the ancient hieroglyphics wrought in towering rock.

“He said, ‘Do you think that one day my name will be carved on stone like this, telling the story of my life?”’ Landau said.

“He has the feeling,” the friend of Sharon added, “that he’s part of history.”—Dawn/The LAT-WP News Service (c) The Los Angeles Times.

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Sharon can read Mein Kampf in an Indian train


By Jawed Naqvi

WHERE else would you find such a disturbingly calm coexistence of two completely diverse worldviews? Which other country that has banned Salman Rushdie’s Satanic Verses on the one hand would allow Adolf Hitler’s memoirs to be sold at its state-controlled railway station bookshops, memoirs that say the nastiest things about its very own people? Which country other than India?

There are numerous ways to describe India’s religious foibles. But it would have been difficult not too long ago to conceive of India at par with Iran. And yet we cannot forget that it was India in 1988, not Ayatollah Khomeini as widely believed, that first banned the Satanic Verses. Imam Khomeini issued his controversial fatwa on Rushdie only in Feb 1989.

Remember also that it was Indian parliamentarians, not Saudi Arabian or Iranian leaders, who overturned the verdict of their own Supreme Court, to rob a helpless Muslim woman of her right to alimony, to assuage rightwing mullahs. Most neutral observers regard these as examples of a state brazenly leaning towards an intrusive religious fundamentalism, and they are probably right.

It may seem contradictory then that India is hurtling towards Hindu revivalism of a fascist variety. Indeed, the country has shown in the past a canny ability to excel in any area of fundamentalism if it suits the administration of the day.

To be fair to Hindu fundamentalism, which has produced the current crop of India’s dominant leadership, it is not very different from the Christian genre practised by the current US administration. The commonality between the bigotry of the officially patronized American preacher Franklin Graham, who sees Islam as an evil religion, and strikingly similar views aired by an Ashok Singhal or a Praveen Togadia of the Hindu right may be of more recent origin.

But long before the Hindu and Christian right could even imagine closing ranks to target Islam, the Christian and Hindu right was applauding anti-Semitism. The Jews and their faith were then in bad odour. From William Shakespeare’s caricature of Shylock to Lutheran rage at the sight of a Jew, Europe was seething with anti-Semitism, which reached a peak in the Third Reich.

India was not far behind. “To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races — the Jews,” wrote Hindu right leader Guru Golwalkar in 1939. “Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.”

One of the founders of India’s Hindu right was Prof B.S. Moonje, who later wrote the preface to Golwakar’s book, “We, Our Nationhood Defined.” Moonje met Mussolini in 1931 and wrote how Indian leaders should imitate the youth movements of Germany and the Balilla and Fascist organizations of Italy.

“I think they are eminently suited for introduction in India, adapting them to suit the special conditions. I have been very much impressed by these movements and I have seen their activities with my own eyes in all details.”

Moonje and Golwalkar could be excused for getting carried away by the social and political convulsions of their times. Their admiration for Adolf Hitler stemmed from a movement that had cut a deep swathe through much of democratic Europe. But it is truly alarming when the headmaster of Delhi’s prestigious St Stephens College admits that the new crop of students when asked to identify their social idols have been naming Hitler alongside Mahatma Gandhi as their main icons.

India’s increasingly garbled sense of history is neither unique nor surprising. The syndrome comes easily to people who switch sides in a momentous discourse, their move prompted by a single-minded self-interest no matter what the moral cost. What could be considered frustrating though is that an entire crop of young men and women proffer views that flow from a poor reading habit.

It is evident that many of today’s generation who say they admire Adolf Hitler do not feel bashful in saying so. It also does not seem to matter to them that India is seeking to woo a Jewish state, ironically enough, to fix its problems with hi-tech security gadgetry.

Had the students read what Hitler had to say of their forebears and about Indians generally, they would have hesitated to call him their hero. Let me quote from the copy of Mein Kampf’s Indian edition, which I picked up from the New Delhi railway station last month.

Speaking contemptuously of the “League of Oppressed Nations” which according to Hitler was composed principally of “representatives of the Balkan states and also of Egypt and India”, he says: “These always impressed me as charlatans who gave themselves big airs but had no real background at all.”

He then recalls something that should ordinarily be construed as mocking the Indian national movement. “I remember well the childish and incomprehensible hopes which arose suddenly in nationalist circles in the years 1920-21 to the effect that England was just nearing its downfall in India,” Hitler wrote.

Spewing venom at the “few Asiatic mountebanks, who put themselves forward as the champions of Indian freedom”, he declares: “I as a German would rather see India under British domination than under that of any other nation.”

What may be of greater interest, even inspiration, to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon when he comes calling here are Hitler’s scornful remarks about Egypt. “The hopes of an epic rising in Egypt were just as chimerical. The ‘Holy War’ may bring the pleasing illusion to our German nincompoops that others are now ready to shed their blood for them. Indeed this cowardly speculation is almost always the father of such hopes. But in reality the illusion would be soon brought to an end under fusillade from a few companies of British machineguns and a hail of British bombs.”

Welcome to India Mr Sharon. Time to catch up on your reading. Bring along your notes from the experience of Saabra and Shatila. We don’t need your notes, really. But who knows?

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Fear of dissolution not over


By Aileen Qaiser

IT is obvious that apart from the establishment, the PML(Q) and the MMA are the two major political components that will have a decisive bearing on a resolution of the LFO deadlock.

This became evident on May 23 when the PML(Q) and the MMA reached a consensus on processing the entire LFO legislation through the National Assembly with their comfortable two-third majority.

Since then, what has been happening in the NWFP and Punjab, the political strongholds of the MMA and PML(Q), respectively, is reflective of intensive wrangling amongst the three entities for their respective demands on coming to terms on the LFO.

At one point, it looked as if the PML(Q) was with the MMA vis-a-vis the establishment when on May 26 the PML(Q) had joined the leaders of the major opposition parties — the MMA, the PPP Parliamentarians and PML(N) — at an All Parties Conference on the LFO in Islamabad. At this platform the opposition had called upon the president to step down from one office.

All hell broke loose thereafter in the PML(Q)’s stronghold in the Punjab for the next three consecutive days when PPP- Parliamentarian and PML(N) opposition members were dramatically barred by security forces from entering the assembly building and summarily arrested when they resisted. The events fuelled fears about an impending dissolution or temporary suspension of the civilian national government/assembly.

The first damage-control measure which the PML(Q) adopted was to pass an unprecedented resolution in the Punjab provincial assembly that amounted to a confidence motion on the president’s uniform. The resolution said it was “imperative” for the stability, prosperity and continuity of the development process of Pakistan that the president should continue to be in uniform.

Two days later, the president of the PML(Q) reiterated his party’s confidence in the president’s uniform when he said the presence of the president in uniform was the dire need of the hour to cope with the regional and international situation.

Meanwhile, the prime minister also spoke up for the uniform, saying the president’s uniform was something that neither parliament, the government nor the civil society could do anything about. This statement, plus that earlier one in which he had referred to the president as his “boss”, is tantamount to public admission of where the real power lies.

Now it seems that even the MMA has climbed down from the high ground of terming the presidency as illegitimate to willingness to accept the president in uniform for a year beginning from the date parliament approves the LFO.

The fear of dissolution may dissipate somewhat for the time being. Even if an agreement on the LFO may eventually be worked out and successfully passed through the national assembly, and thus the nation saved from another government/assembly dissolution, it is altogether a different question whether the system in place will be able to run smoothly for the country to take off in development and progress.

Already tension between the civilian government at the centre and the establishment has been evident in media reports about the recent appointments/reshuffle in the top civil service, including the position of the high commissioner to India. Reports of a split in the Sindh chapter of the PML(Q), as well as those of a rift surfacing within the ruling PML(Q)-led coalition at the centre, bring back memories of the earlier engineered breakaways of the PML(Q) and the PPP-Patriots from their respective parent parties.

In the NWFP, the high-handed destruction of advertisement signboards in Peshawar bearing images of women by activists of a component party of the MMA alliance - with the security forces standing by - plus the non-registration of FIRs against those involved even after a week of the incident, particularly against one MPA who admitted he supervised the operation, had caused consternation among the ranks of the religious alliance ruling the NWFP.

Then on Sunday, as one MMA leader warned of active attempts by the intelligence agencies to split the MMA, the NWFP government was confronted with its worst crisis yet - the en masse resignation of all 24 of its district Nazims. The seven- month tussle between the provincial government and the local governments in NWFP had led to the former instituting inquiries against several district Nazims, and two resolutions were supposed to be tabled in the provincial assembly on Monday (yesterday) sacking the Nazims of Bannu and Kohistan. Amongst those Nazims who have resigned include at least two who are affiliated to the component party of the MMA whose activists carried out the signboard destruction.

Even if the country can be spared of another dissolution this time round, the check-and-balance political system that has been put in place is clearly one that encourages politicization and divisiveness rather than unity and oneness. The tussles and wrangles between the centre and the provinces, the provinces and their respective local governments, the centre and the establishment, the prime minister and the president, and amongst and within the political parties/alliances, are likely to continue, with the threat of dissolution forever hanging over the nation. How effective can such a political system be in delivering the nation and its people from poverty and underdevelopment?

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WB backs Sindh’s water case


By Abbas Jalbani

IBRAT this week takes up the World Bank’s report on Pakistan’s water issue and writes that the report endorses Sindh’s case.

The report calls for evolving a consensus on the construction of dams over the River Indus, releasing water downstream Kotri, making a new water agreement and observing of merit for water distribution among provinces by the Indus River System Authority.

The daily says that the WB report has come at a time when Wapda has managed to get the approval of more funds for the Thal canal project from the federal government. However, after the objections raised by the major donor agency coupled with opposition from the Sindh Assembly, the government has lost the moral ground to continue work on the disputed canal.

The WB’s recommendation to release water downstream Kotri to check destruction of the Indus Delta and stop sea intrusion from devouring two million acres of agriculture land and mangrove forests also supports Sindh’s stand, the paper adds.

Ibrat says the report’s suggestion that the water dispute in Pakistan could be resolved in a political way also corresponds to Sindh’s approach that the issue of water distribution is political and not technical, and that by the construction of the Kalabagh Dam, the upper riparian wants to tighten its grip over the Indus waters so that it may use it for political purposes in the future.

The paper concludes by saying that as the Sindh-Punjab dispute over the water issue has reached its zenith, ignoring the WB report will be a violation of Sindh’s rights and demands that an impartial commission should be constituted to resolve the controversy.

Another daily, Kawish, points out that the National Economic Council, while rejecting Sindh’s demand for more development funds, has cut the province’s development funds by 50 per cent. According to the working paper of the NEC, funds for the federal annual development programme have been increased from Rs152 to Rs157 but the share of the provinces has not been increased.

The paper comments that it is obvious from the NEC summary that the government has not changed the centre-oriented parameters for development activities. After the extension of the tenure of the National Finance Award, it was hoped that the provinces would get more development funds but to no avail. It says that the conditions in Sindh call for more development work in the province and advises the prime minister and the federal government to consider Sindh’s demand in this regard before finalizing the budget.

Referring to rampant unemployment in the province, Awami Awaz writes that millions of people in the province have no means of livelihood. It suggests that during the upcoming recruitment in government departments, youth who have no family member in government service should be given preference. The rising trend of suicides by jobless youth may be checked in this way, hopes the daily.

Sach says that the Thatta Cement Factory has been providing not only jobs to local people but also cement at cheaper and more competitive rates. Owners of private cement factories are now hatching conspiracies to get the mill closed. The paper appeals to the federal minister for industries to save the mill from being closed and direct the government departments of the Thatta district to buy cement produced by it.

Commenting on the rumpus outside the Punjab Assembly, Tameer-i-Sindh writes that the way in which the provincial government has dealt with the protest over the Legal Framework Order does not augur well for democracy. It is against parliamentary traditions to use force to crush dissent.

More shocking is the stand of the Punjab chief minister and the speaker of the Punjab Assembly that they had not ordered the crackdown. Does it mean that police are free to humiliate parliamentarians, the paper asks. It adds that under the present circumstances when the country is inching towards democracy from dictatorship, the Punjab government should not have adopted an arrogant approach towards the opposition. The federal government should also keep in mind that the Punjab scenario can be repeated in Peshawar, Quetta and Karachi as well as Islamabad. If the powers that be want to continue with the democratic process, they and their allies should respect the voice of the opposition and refrain from trying to stifle it.

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Local govt system to stay


By Shamsul Islam Naz

LAST week, a drawing room type workers convention was arranged by the local administration in collaboration with some over-confident leaders of the PML-Q which was addressed by Chief Minister Pervaiz Elahi. It confined the latter for most of the time to the Circuit House, instead of enabling him to meet the workers outside.

Sensing the lapse, some local leaders of the ruling party having differences with district Nazim Zahid Nazir tried to make amends by taking the CM up to the residence of ex-MNA Mian Amjad Yaseen whose wife, Riffat Amjad, is MNA from special seats for women. However, this did not fulfil the purpose of mass contact of the chief minister.

Out of four National and eight Provincial Assembly seats of the city, the PML-Q had only one seat of MNA which too was won by exerting full pressure and resources of the Tehsil Municipal Administration (city) as the candidate’s younger brother was its Nazim. The wisdom of holding a workers’ convention in a city dominated by opponents of the District Nazim and that too in the Circuit House could not be understood.

Another notable feature was the sidelining of Nazim Zahid Nazir and domination of his rival lobby, within his own party, during the tour of the chief minister. Provincial excise and taxation minister Dr Shafiq Ahmad and ex-MNA Amjad Yaseen, both Arain, appeared to be fairly successful in opposing and concerning Zahid Nazir as was apparent from the fact that PPP dissident Raza Nasrullah Ghuman, who recently joined the PML-Q, was got nominated for the seat of Naib Nazim, as a ‘gift’, which had fallen vacant after the selection of Afzal Sahi as Punjab Assembly Speaker.

Raza Nasarullah, an industrialist-cum-agriculturist, belongs to a family having deep relations with Jat politicians. He contested the last general election for a National Assembly seat on a PPP Parliamentarians ticket, but lost. He has been fielded in local bodies politics by the PML-Q under a calculated move to pressurize the district Nazim, who is considered by his opponents to be involved in ruining the district government affairs.

Pervaiz Elahi appears to be looking for some trustworthy lieutenant to control the district and is quite hopeful of finding one. Therefore, his visit was also a part of this mission, during which the role of the Nazim appears to have been limited.

Presiding over a meeting of local heads of government departments and legislators at the Circuit House, the chief minister said a special grant would be provided by the government for the development and rehabilitation of the district, which would be spent through MPAs under the direct supervision and control of provincial ministers belonging to Faisalabad district.

He said in order to reduce unemployment, about 25,000 jobs would be provided by the government within a month. A similar number of vacancies would be filled during the second phase. In this regard, a transparent procedure and principle of merit would have to be adopted and the vacancies would continue to be filled through the Public Service Commission.

He said the government had launched different projects for the welfare of the people. A project of Rs18 billion for improvement and development of the education sector would soon be launched. Under the programme, Rs6 billion had been earmarked for the next financial year, while Rs12 billion more would be spent during the next two years. For the execution of these works, an independent implementation wing has been set up in the education department.

He said for distributing agricultural land among landless cultivators at the rate of 12.5 acres for each farmer, 100,000 acres had been reserved, and a scheme of five-marla residential plots would be launched for homeless persons in rural areas.

The chief minister said planning was being made to provide loans to growers on the pattern of car-leasing, while a bill would be presented in the provincial assembly for waiving off agricultural tax on holdings of 12.5 acres and less. He said besides the Punjab Bank, the Cooperatives Bank had also started releasing loans according to the new markup rate.

He said he had made endeavours to meet the requirements taking suo moto notice of the shortage of resources of the police department for bringing about the desired change for making the police an exemplary force.

The chief minister clarified that the local body system would continue and necessary steps were being taken to make it more solid and meaningful. He said neither should anybody have any doubt or misunderstanding about it, nor should anybody try to create a wrong impression about this system. There should be a complete coordination among members of parliament and representatives of local bodies for tackling the people’s problems and monitoring the progress of development works, he said.

Pervaiz Elahi said for a solution to the problems faced by the Tehsil Nazims, special attention would be paid to the proposals put forth by them in this regard by holding a meeting of all Nazims at the provincial level.

A delegation of the District Bar Association called on the chief minister and presented him a memorandum for setting up a bench of the Lahore High Court in Faisalabad.

The chief minister, speaking to PML-Q activists and leaders at a workers’ convention, said steps were being taken to promote education and increase literacy rate.

He said teachers would be given due respect in society at all costs and conspiracies to demoralize them would be foiled. Vacant posts of teachers would be filled soon through proper channel.

He said the PML-Q central leadership had decided to reorganize the party at union, tehsil and district levels for which a special campaign would be launched in near future.

He said all provincial ministers had been asked to hold open kutcheris and conduct meetings at the Muslim League House regularly for solving the problems faced by party activists and leaders. He claimed that the district and tehsil Nazims had been directed to give priority to the suggestions of PML-Q activists and office-holders.

He said a plan was being introduced for the rehabilitation of sick industrial units as well as elimination of impediments in the way of setting up new factories.

Earlier, the chief minister, presiding over a meeting of the local administrative officers, said development funds would be spent without any discrimination in all constituencies. The schemes of opposition members of assemblies would be given due consideration, he said.

The chief minister asked the government officers to perform their duties with dedication, otherwise they would have to face a disciplinary action.

His announcement relating to the construction of Lyallpur Press Club project with a grant of Rs1 million was praised by the local intelligentsia. The chief minister entrusted the task of completion of the press club building to provincial minister for communication and works Zaheeruddin Khan.

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Nationalist politics today’s centrepiece: Mumtaz


The following is the edited text of the Dawn Dialogue with Sindh National Front chief Mumtaz Bhutto:

Question: How do you view the state of nationalist politics in Pakistan because, for various reasons, the nationalist platform has weakened and virtually disappeared in the NWFP and Balochistan. Does the sense of participation that a political, democratic process brings weakens nationalist trends?

Answer: Actually, nationalist politics is very much in the ascendancy in the country because solutions are running out. ‘Nationalism’ has been used very loosely in this country. People who have talked about changing the system have been branded as nationalists. Those who have been asking for more powers for the provinces are also called nationalists. And then there are those who want to break the country and make no secret of it, they are also called nationalists. So there is a wide gap. I don’t know what progress those who want to break the country have made. But those who want to change the system have certainly made a lot of progress. Today everybody — even those who had prided themselves on calling themselves as the chain of the federation — is talking about more power for the provinces. That is what I call ascendancy, primarily because the federal system we have practised has failed miserably and has caused a lot of harm to the country.

The dictatorship of Islamabad has just not worked. That has destroyed the country. It has made it bankrupt, disunited and weak. The people are not happy because basic amenities are not available to them. In this age when small countries in the Gulf have made so much progress that they have become unrecognizable, a powerful country like Pakistan is buried in more than 50 per cent poverty. So the centre is responsible for this and the centre means a highly centralized federal system. So I think nationalism that wants to change the system is the centrepiece of the politics of the day.

Q: The lesson about a centralized system should have been learnt in Islamabad in 1971. Why has it taken so long to develop consciousness about the system’s failure to deliver?

A: There was talk in 1971 also of the breakdown of federal authority. But some of the factors that emerged in 1971 had not existed before. The main thing was that for the first time we then had a genuinely elected parliament. We had a genuinely enacted constitution which provided maximum security and powers to the provinces, even more than what the provinces enjoyed in India. Everybody felt that this would work. I was a member of the constitution commission which drafted the formula and presented it to the assembly. Even some of the separatist leaders from Balochistan and the Frontier were satisfied and thought that here was a genuine assembly enacting a genuine constitution in which the provinces were given a lot of powers. So they decided to give it a chance.

But later on when that did not work, the point of no return was reached. Even that constitution could not prevent a military dictatorship. Not only the constitution disappeared, but the man who gave it was hanged. Then it was felt by all that the point of no return had been passed and now we could not enact a better federal constitution which could protect democracy and the provinces. So it was time to try something else. That was the last chance given to federal democracy in this country and it did not work.

Q: You then switched over to confederal politics. Why could it not become popular with the people after Zia’s military intervention?

A: Confederal politics was very difficult to understand in the beginning. We did not get enough time to do the ground work. We were at once faced with elections in which we could not win a single seat because this formula had not yet gone down to the people. They could see no alternative to what was before them. But it is different now. In the last elections we did not do well but now the negative factors are different. We had Zia’s rule, after that we had five years of Benazir and five years of Nawaz Sharif. Right from Zia’s time, politics has been deliberately and systematically corrupted. There is no ideology left, there are no issues, there are no programmes, and there are no manifestos. People just run after those who they think are coming to power. So ideological politics is not there any more. If it had been, then this would have been the answer. This is becoming more and more apparent today.

The other reason is that by and large we have a rural population here. We are an agricultural country. Only one-third of the population is in the cities. It is very difficult to bring about a change in the rural areas. Not only because of lack of communication but also because of the practice of set ideas in the rural areas. They look at change with a great deal of suspicion. This was a new programme, only for the people here — but not new for Pakistan because the creators of Pakistan had promised this in the Pakistan Resolution which said that in the state of Pakistan the units would be autonomous and sovereign and powers of the centre would be limited. So that in essence is a confederal formula. But since it had been buried so deep by those who control Pakistan, it has taken some time to dig it up and air it again.

Q: In the light of the kind of provincial autonomy that you are advocating, does it mean that only three subjects remain with the centre and the rest go to the provinces? Or is it closer to what G.M. Syed had proposed?

A: I visualize that the provinces should be the repository of power, not the centre. The centre should be created by the provinces by surrendering a part of their authority. That is the philosophical concept of what I call genuine provincial autonomy. The centre is nothing. It is the provinces that run the country, that serve the people. Islamabad is only decorative. Therefore, it should only have the power to keep the country united, like defence, foreign affairs, which are better run by one entity rather than four different provinces. Apart from that, the centre has nothing to do with other subjects such as the welfare of the people, progress, development. Why not have separate economies?

Q: Every province is a multi-nation province. How would you bring about reconciliation between different groups in every province?

A: I don’t think there is any problem in the provinces. We had Baloch settlers for a long time here but there is no problem now.

Q: There are people in Thar....

A: All the Hindus in Thar call themselves Sindhis. There is no dispute on that. There are some problems in Balochistan and the Frontier as well. If the demands are genuine, then why not accept them? What is the harm? There are, for instance, Seraiki people in Punjab, they say we are not Punjabis, we are Seraiki. And their demand is very genuine. So if you cater to that, where’s the harm in it? Whenever there is a genuine demand and the people qualify as a separate nation, you have got to accept it. How can you deny that?

Q: The same formula should be applied to the demands of the Urdu-speaking people. They say they are a separate people with a separate culture.

A: Do they qualify? Have they got their own land, have they got their own history, have they got their own culture? The Mohajir community here is composed of all sorts of different people. And they have come and settled in Sindh. They have not brought their own land with them. They are no longer the majority, or at least the MQM which claims to represent them is no longer talking about Mohajirs, which is a very, very good thing. We welcome it. This is the reason that I went and met Altaf Hussain in London in March. So that problem is not there any more, I think.

Q: What did you discuss with the Altaf Hussain?

A: We discussed that we should bring the rural and urban population closer. He wanted that, and I entirely agree with him that we should do that and adopt ways and means of assimilation, and things are happening on that front, though not very visibly. But the bitterness and the hatred of the past is no longer there and we have gone back to the pre-MQM days when rapid assimilation was taking place. And then the MQM came and adopted a policy which brought about the conflict. But now they have changed and even publicly apologized for the harm that has been caused. So things are improving rapidly.

Q: There were apprehensions among the nationalists also that this influx would change the demography of Sindh. Do you still fear that? And will it shift the centre of power and leadership from the rural to the urban areas?

A: Well, the centre of power has always been the urban areas. Cities have played a very important part. But actual force and might of the people lies in the rural areas because a majority lives there.

Q: Nationalist parties are claiming that they represent the aspirations of the people, yet they don’t get enough votes to get into parliament to formulate policies and run the affairs of the province. Why is that so?

A: Now politics has become very profit-centred. People are not listening to ideologies, they are not reading manifestos. Everybody is looking for his own well-being, and they chase after the people who they think are going to win. Collective thinking is not there, and this is the harm that Ziaul Haq caused and Benazir and Nawaz Sharif caused. They encouraged this sort of thing. Ziaul Haq spent a lot of money to corrupt politics. He was the first person who gave vast sums of money to MNAs and MPAs. So politics has also become a business for making a quick buck. There are crooks all over the place. Some of the people who come into government, they should be in jail. People who have been discarded for corruption, the ‘actual rulers’ have gone out of the way to get them elected and make them ministers. People who have been chased by NAB have been brought and put in very responsible and lucrative ministries. People have been taken out of jail and given important posts. So how can you expect politics to have any principles? Everybody is out to make a buck.

Q: Before the separation of East Pakistan, Punjab was asking for the distribution of resources on the basis of parity. Now it is demanding resource distribution on the basis of population. How do you look at this contradiction? Should Punjab be divided into smaller units?

A: Yes, I think it is very, very unjust and a very damaging attitude that has been adopted by Punjab. They did not allow a Bengali majority, and it is extraordinary that we had democracy based on minority rule. And that is what destroyed Pakistan. But they have not learnt their lessons. Now they have used their clout and strength in the armed forces — because 92 per cent of the army is from Punjab — and there has always been dictatorship, control and hegemony of Punjab in this country. That is what broke up Pakistan which Mr Jinnah created and now we have a new Pakistan, remnants of Mr Jinnah’s Pakistan, which was saved by Mr Bhutto. I tell you this water issue is a very, very serious matter. I have visited Punjab and toured Sheikhupura, Sulemanki, etc. You should see their wheat crop. It is mind-boggling; the earth is covered with a carpet of gold. When you see Sindh, which used to be the fertile corner of this area, in the Indus you see sand flying. Fifty per cent of the land in Sindh is barren. So to make Punjab prosperous at the cost of the rest of Pakistan is going to have an adverse impact. You can’t get away with this. I am surprised that the rulers don’t have the vision to see beyond the tip of their noses. They are destroying Pakistan in this manner. Sindh is the goose which lays the golden egg.

Q: As caretaker chief minister after Benazir’s government was overthrown, you had signed the 1997 NFC award.

A: Show me the signatures.

Q: But Nabi Bux Bhurgari (who signed) was your representative, he could have refused to sign this document.

A: He did. I am glad you have the document, see page 7. This is a report of the national finance commission. Our suggestion is that things should not be distributed in such a manner that the province providing most should not get the most.

Q: This document also carries the signatures of Zafarullah Khan Jamali, who is now prime minister, and this is the NFC award which has crippled Balochistan.

A: No. It is not this. This is just a report. They hold meetings and collect everybody’s views and put it into this report, then it goes to the federal government and the award is given by the president. So we had to sign this because our point of view is there.

Q: You have pointed out that the problems Sindh is facing are due to water shortages. We are being told that in the next 10 years, Pakistan is going to face a massive shortage because upstream storage capacity is going to be depleted. How do you think this problem with Punjab can be resolved in such a way that it takes care of the needs of the future?

A: If there is a genuine shortage, then all of us should face it. The burden should not fall on those who exist downstream. Historically the Indus water has been the property of Sindh. It is Sindh which has been the sole beneficiary of the Indus because in summer it used to overflow and what is now called the kutcha area, 20 lakh acres of land in the kutcha, all that used to get inundated and then there used to be cultivation and this region used to be fed on that. There used to be very little cultivation upstream. But now what they have done is that there are four or five dams upstream, there are three link canals going out of the Indus, the fourth one is coming up — the Greater Thal Canal — 16 or 17 barrages have been built in Punjab since the creation of Pakistan, and they totally control the entire flow of water downstream. So are how we going to get a fair deal? When they start starving, they are going to use all these structures to irrigate their land, they are not going to leave anything for Sindh.

So first of all there has to be an adjustment in the control that is being exercised by the provinces on the water and then have a proper agreement. There is international law. My party stands for that, and I have said, use international laws, bring international arbitrators, who will be impartial, because our bureaucracy can’t be impartial. There are rivers flowing through many countries, but there is agreement. So we should have an agreement and an independent authority which controls that. If there is a shortage, then we must share it. The problem is that Punjab does not share the shortage. That is when the trouble starts.

Q: How much is feudalism hampering agricultural development?

A: It is a good thing if feudalism could be done away with. But can you do away with it? The three land reforms have not worked. You have to have an infrastructure to replace the system. You don’t have it. The bureaucracy is too corrupt and incompetent. If you don’t have the feudal, who is going to play the part because the ordinary cultivator is not capable of dealing with the revenue officer, the irrigation officer, the police, the bandits. He cannot go to the bank to get fertilizers.

Q: You said that power is based in the cities. But all the assemblies so far have been dominated by landlords; even the army people have become feudals?

A: The army are the true feudals. Power in this country has first vested with the bureaucrat. For 28 years out of 55 years, Pakistan has been ruled by the generals. At number three come people like me, and we have to share it with industrialists, with bureaucrats and others. Though we may be there in apparent control, power still belongs to the bureaucracy and the army.

Q: Once the political parties come into power they forget the promises they made.

A: It is total political dishonesty. I will be more specific. The People’s Party talked about a new social contract and provincial autonomy. I met Benazir in 1995 and I had lunch there. I was taken by a retired army officer who was very close to her. He was operating as her liaison officer. He took me there for a rapprochement. What happened was we sat for three hours and just fought. So I said to her what about your new social contract. She said don’t you see our social action programme. But I told her that you promised a new social contract which means a new system. A new division of power and relationship between the government and the people. Where is that? You have been in power for a year and a half. She said that was during the elections. No way I am going to bring a new social contract. Total dishonesty. What can we do about that? When I was the lone opposition member in the provincial assembly in 1993, the very first day I gave a resolution against the Kalabagh Dam. For seven months these people did not allow me to move it.

Q: In the 70s, when military action was launched in East Pakistan, the People’s Party did not reflect the aspirations of the people. Subsequently when it came to power, and you were again a part of it, it launched military operation in Balochistan, then finally under pressure of the PNA you declared Qadianis a minority. How can you justify that?

A: I did not vote. I am not saying that we did not commit mistakes. I was part of the government. We did commit mistakes and it was a very big mistake to send troops to Balochistan. I persuaded Mr Bhutto to call back the troops and he agreed but the generals refused. They said they could not do it considering that so many of their jawans had been killed.

Q: Looking dispassionately, what do you think brought down the People’s Party?

A: It was the estrangement of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto from his party and his total reliance on the bureaucracy and on the army, something against which he had always warned us. He paid a very big price for it.

Q: When you were chief minister, there were language riots in Sindh and some of the people who now constitute the MQM blame you for introducing ethnicity in politics. So in your recent meetings with Mr Altaf Hussain did this aspect come up?

A: No. I don’t apologize for that. If I had a chance, I will not only introduce the language bill again but I will implement it also. That was the right thing to do and I would do it if the opportunity occurred. It was not my fault that there were riots. It was the fault of those who started the riots. I was not a weak administrator, I had to use my authority and to control those riots. There are exaggerations that thousands of people died. Only 21 people died on both sides. And that is regrettable. I am not condoning that. That should not have happened. But I don’t take responsibility for that. People who unnecessarily made an issue out of this, they are responsible.

Q: Despite having outstanding people like Mr Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, why did the People’s Party not succeed in achieving its objectives?

A: Entirely Mr Bhutto’s fault. He was a genius. There are very few like him. His was a towering intellect. But he had his weaknesses also. His human weaknesses were often unpardonable. One of his greatest mistakes was his estrangement from his followers who would die for him, and his dependence on the bureaucracy.

Q: But still the People’s Party, in terms of electoral numbers, is the largest vote-getter.

A: That is because ZAB was the only politician at that time who went to the people. He worked very hard. That was unknown in those days. And he talked about socialism, that was the raging topic of those days. He had a direct rapport with the people. Some of his policies, which were sabotaged by the bureaucracy, like nationalization, were very good. England is a conservative country, yet half of their industries are still nationalized.

Q: But he was not sincere about his socialism?

A: No. He wasn’t, but he used it effectively.

Q: Is there any possibility of the revival of the People’s Party?

A: Not as long as Benazir is there. She is totally mercenary. She doesn’t have the intellect and leadership qualities which her father had. That is why she made it impossible for all senior members of the party to sit there.

Q: But Benazir suffered a lot and she went to jail and her mother also suffered.

A: She was in jail for six months. The rest of the time she was confined to her palace. She cried and I was sent to beg the generals to bring her back home.

Q: How do you look at Benazir as a politician and as a niece?

A: I look at her as a politician who has brought a lot of harm to the country and I look at her as a niece who has done a lot of harm to the family.

Q: You were trying to launch a new nationalist party. How much progress have you made?

A: Not much.

Q: How can politicians prevent the army from taking over government every now and then?

A: By breaking up the seat of power. You see, it took Musharraf only 20 soldiers to take over Pakistan. Distribute powers to other capitals of the provinces. And if you have a built-in provision, which we are proposing, that if there is violation of the constitutional provisions then every region and every province has the right to make a Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI). Why should anyone live under military rule?

Q: How do you look at the incidents that have happened in Punjab in connection with the LFO and where are we heading?

A: It is disgraceful. No matter how unfair the set-up is, you fight with your words and with your wits and intellect. If you want to create ‘hangama’, then go to Khadda and Lyari. There is total chaos there. Assemblies are not working, they are useless. Have proper elections. Let good people come. Enact laws which should bar corrupt people from contesting. In our country people are fed up because for years they have not been getting a better deal. They are not interested in democracy and in what the mullah is doing or what the military dictator is doing. They want protection, they want ‘roti, kapra makan’, they want a guarantee of life and property. They want to live in peace. They want their gutters to be clean. Forget democracy. Give them their basic needs. Whoever gives them that, whether a king or a military ruler, because we are down to basics in our country, and anybody who lays the foundation, will be worshipped.

Q: Do you think that the recent events indicate that the Americans have decided to have a change of face in Pakistan?

A: Their imperialist programmes have been chalked out, and Pakistan’s turn is bound to come, irrespective of the fact that they had good relations in the past. They had good relations with the Taliban in the past also whom they had created. Just because at the moment they think Musharraf is useful, that is not going to deter them from taking actions that would fulfil their ambition of acquiring world hegemony.

Dawn Panel: Sabihuddin Ghousi, Habib Khan Ghori, Latif Baloch, Bahzad Alam Khan and Shamim-ur-Rahman.

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