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Could Pakistan and Afghanistan go to war?

In recent years, peddling worst-case scenarios about Pakistan has become a cottage industry in Washington. Loose nukes, state disintegration, economic collapse, Islamist takeovers — these have all been flavors of the month.

The latest one making the rounds is that Pakistan could go to war with Afghanistan.

A recent Foreign Policy piece by Robert Haddick, managing editor of Small Wars Journal, sketches out this possibility. The article is thought-provoking and at times persuasive — yet also somewhat flawed.

Haddick’s argument is as follows: Kabul regards Taliban sanctuaries in Pakistan as its “number one security problem.” With Pakistan and the United States refusing to smash these safe havens — which the Afghan Taliban and Haqqani network fighters use as staging grounds for attacks on Afghanistan — Kabul will have no choice but to wage its own offensive. This is the only way, Haddick says, for Kabul to gain leverage in efforts to negotiate, with Islamabad and the Taliban, an end to the war in Afghanistan. However, he suggests, sustained Afghan assaults on Afghan Taliban and Haqqani fighters inside Pakistan (widely believed to be proxies of Pakistani intelligence), coupled with Pakistan’s own punitive actions against Afghanistan-based militants and unwillingness to negotiate with Kabul, could spark an “old-fashioned war” between the troubled neighbors.

What Haddick doesn’t say is that Afghanistan’s military is ravaged by desertions, drug abuse, and illiteracy — not to mention militant infiltration. The notion of this fledgling and troubled force barging pell-mell into Pakistan’s tribal belt to crush crafty and vicious fighters who often attack the most well-secured areas of Afghanistan is questionable. Success may be elusive.

Haddick acknowledges Afghanistan’s military would need help, and he proposes an alternative strategy: Kabul reaching out to the Pakistani Taliban — which uses Afghanistan as a base for its insurgency against the Pakistani government — and trying to use the group as leverage over Islamabad.

This reasoning is problematic. It’s doubtful the TTP would want to work with Afghanistan, a country closely allied with Washington — a government the TTP loathes as much as it does Pakistan’s. Additionally, while Haddick doesn’t mention the possibility, it still bears emphasising that the TTP certainly has no desire to fight a proxy war against the Afghan Taliban. True, each has a different chief target (Islamabad for the former, Kabul and Nato forces for the latter). Yet they share much in common, including ethnicity and ideology. And while they are fighting different wars, there is reason to believe they may occasionally cooperate operationally — including, perhaps, in a December 2009 attack on a CIA base in Afghanistan.

Haddick says if Kabul can’t win over the TTP, it would probably ask the United States to “support its development” of offensive capabilities for a military campaign inside Pakistan’s tribal areas. He doesn’t address how Washington would respond to this request, which would present a major conundrum. The recently signed US-Afghan strategic accord states that the two nations will “foster close cooperation concerning defense and security.” However, for a country desperately seeking to extricate itself from an unpopular war, providing support for an offensive inside Pakistan would be tremendously risky. Not only would this antagonise Pakistan, but it would also anger US taxpayers struggling to emerge from economic malaise.

By no means am I saying a war between Pakistan and Afghanistan is out of the question. The possibility certainly exists. Cross-border raids are occurring from both sides of the Durand Line; just last week, dozens of militants from Kunar province raided a village near Bajaur and took villagers hostage. And such incursions are not new. Afghanistan has suffered cross-border assaults for years, and Pakistan is also no stranger to them (recall that last year, 200 militants entered Bajaur from Kunar, and fought Pakistani forces for several days). There are indications that the two governments are starting to lose patience. Afghanistan has claimed that Pakistan’s military fired rockets on suspected TTP camps in Kunar, while Pakistan recently accused 60 Afghan soldiers of pursuing militants in Upper Kurram District.

Still, I think this misses a larger point. With international forces leaving Afghanistan, the country’s internal security situation will surely deteriorate. It won’t be long before Kabul’s “number one security problem” is domestic sources of insurgency, not those across the border. In fact, if, as is likely, Afghanistan descends into chaos once Nato troops depart, many Pakistan-based Afghan militants will likely return to Afghanistan to exploit this unrest — and to attempt to unseat the government.

In essence, not long from now, Afghanistan will be fully consumed with fighting a war within its borders, and not in or against Pakistan.

The takeaway? Washington’s worst-case contingencies about Pakistan are sometimes worth worrying about (economic collapse is a real possibility). But others are not. Sadly, the most realistic nightmare scenarios — such as water scarcity and the disappearance of arable land — are barely acknowledged at all.


The author is the program associate for South Asia at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, DC. You can reach him at michael.kugelman@wilsoncenter.org


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Michael Kugelman is the senior program associate for South Asia at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, DC.

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Comments (179) Closed



Virkau
Jul 24, 2012 02:53pm
On the dot Iqbal.v
J.S.Hussain
Jul 19, 2012 02:28pm
Really, it is the exponent of "perpetual war" theory and the representatives of weapons industry, the world over, who want peoples and nations to fight so that their weapons sell. All the three countries, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, do not want war. The peoples at the groundstreet levels, in all the three countries, are thoroughly tired of continuous wars. They want peace to progress economically and make their societies stable. Let peace prevai!
C. Nandkishore
Jul 19, 2012 01:30pm
Well, mark my words. There won't be a war in the regular sense. You will not find tanks and artillery. But a thousand cuts.
Zorro
Jul 20, 2012 11:02am
Large number of nuclear weapons did not help USSR from breaking apart.
Iqbal Hussain
Jul 19, 2012 02:21pm
Jalal, Who said that Afghans are warriors? don't try to create division among muslims if you consider yourself a muslim. Don't be racist and be a sane person.
baba
Jul 19, 2012 02:43pm
I thought you knew what you were talking about but clearly you don't. Even the Americans will not have a full-fledge war with Pakistan. The soviets did not dare attack Pakistan in the 80s even though they were angry.
Anurag Singh
Jul 19, 2012 01:18pm
No one wins a war. both the warring partied loose.
Guest
Jul 20, 2012 04:08pm
pity!
Amanat
Jul 19, 2012 12:34pm
This is how you show your fancy ideas. When talking about WARS it is the style of USA, war on drugs, war on crimes war on medical care, WAR is not the style of muslims.
does not matter
Jul 19, 2012 03:25pm
Then do you know what will happen? There will be more fugitives from Afghanistan to Pakistan. And when you have a serious number of afghans in your cities, you will have more TTP like people who would put their foot down in your country and throw your laws out and put Sharia in and your religious parties will join arms with them and then Pakistan will be come the new Afghanistan.It is scary..no?
Muhammad
Jul 19, 2012 10:51am
Pakistan will loose
Xavi
Jul 19, 2012 11:12am
It would be a blunder by Pakistan to go for a war against Afghanistan. Pakistan is more unstable than Afghanistan today politically, economically and insurgency. Afghanistan won't lose the war, It has been in wars for centuries with super powers. Afghans can afford hard times while pakistan can't. End of war would be no pakistan on the map.
raika45
Jul 19, 2012 10:56am
Wars are never interesting,my dear "guest".I do not think that anything that creates devastation and despair can be called interesting.It can be that, if inspite of all gloomy predictions,both countries come to a peaceful compromise.
jalal khan
Jul 19, 2012 12:29pm
Pakistan needs serious amendment in its foreign policy towards its neighbors and should learn to live peaceful with its neighbors.
Jacobee
Jul 19, 2012 12:30pm
Well they were'nt very good in 1971 or 1999 Kargil, or the other wars. In fact i can't remember one war that Pakistan has one. UN Peace Keeping operations are different to Active Combat roles and they use forces from all over the world. With the Latter Pakistan may have a larger army, but they cant win wars. Good at losing them and surrendering though. I guess you didnt know that but then what do you expect with a pakistani education!
BRR
Jul 19, 2012 01:16pm
A meaningless article on a meaningless report by a person without a clue. And we have readers pontificating on meaningless wars that achieve nothing.
AcademicLaxecana
Jul 20, 2012 04:31pm
Typical breaking news business at its best
Sikander
Jul 20, 2012 02:03pm
Dawn has turned into a rag. Peddling neocon delusions. A history lesson for Haddick and Kugelman, Afghanistan has already tried to "invade" Pakistan - back in the 60s and 70s. They got trashed by the Pakistani tribesmen.
jalal khan
Jul 20, 2012 11:17am
Yes, we have lived as one nation centuries before pakistan's birth. I will never come to pakistan i know the situation there very well............
Tauseef Ahmad
Jul 20, 2012 10:04am
it will not actually the war between Pakistan and Afghanistan but between pukhtoons of Khyber pukhtoon khwa and balochistan with afgnis
Silajit
Jul 19, 2012 12:21pm
A one sided article that makes NO mention of the Pakistani support for Hekmatyar, Haqqani and Mullah Omar. The Afghan rage at Pakistan is justified - their ability to win/lose may be a matter of debate.
fine tune
Jul 19, 2012 12:19pm
UN always asks for pakistani soldiers cus they are easily avaiable. pak govt ready to let their army be used/killed against few doller.
jalal khan
Jul 19, 2012 12:16pm
There are already so many cracks in the structure (Baluches, sindis, muhajir, pakhtuns) etc. just need a push.
shankar
Jul 19, 2012 12:11pm
Zarrar, I think may be you have hit the right solution- merger of Pakistan and Afghanistan will be a good idea. May I suggest the name Pakfanistan for the merged entity? At least it will solve the cross border terrorism problem! That may pave the way for a Unites States of South Asia in future, what?
jalal khan
Jul 19, 2012 12:04pm
First of all we do not want it happens. If it happened , I don’t think the Punjabi army will defeat the Afghan army. Afghans are warriors. I am sure the Pakhtuns of Pakhtunkhwa and Baluchistan will definitely support their brother Afghans. When the Pakhtun power is combined, so any enemy or army will be firished and vanished.
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 11:45am
I don't think its the 6th strongest army in the world i agree with you there. But its only in the top 3 of the world. Army has proven their metal every where in the world. UN always asks for pakistani soldiers, whenever there is a problem anywhere in the world? So i am not worried about your biased comments....Don't think it will be that difficult to be honest. We can stop their rations, supplies, arms, everything, as they are dependent upon pakistan. WIthout pakistan they won't even survive a year. The only way for their trade is through pakistan. So how can you fight without food, arms.... All we have to do is blockade them and thats it. I think there is more of chance of Afghanistan being part of pakistan than the other way round... Afghanistan will be pakistan's 5th province.......They use our currency already, they get all their accesories from pakistan. SO might as well join them.
Guest
Jul 19, 2012 11:19am
Sounds like there is cancer on both sides of the border. When will the two govts begin working together and stop this insanity?
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 11:16am
well all pakistan has to do is cut it ties with afghanistan. The only route for afghanistan is through pakistan. No way america can help Afghanistan. Why do you think nato requires trade routes from pakistan. Why can' t they do it from former soviet states. I think Pakistan will win the war without even doing anything. Just blockade afghanistan, all their weapons, food, rations come from pakistan.
G.a
Jul 19, 2012 11:09am
Haddick sounds like one of those 'experts' who has never met an Afghan or a Pakistani. There is no dearth of them in Washington. Did he mention the role of the Afghan navy?
Engineerasaurus
Jul 19, 2012 11:43am
Seems like star plus or NDTV production :)
dhiraj garg
Jul 19, 2012 11:34am
6th biggest army doesn't mean that it is 6th strongest army too!! moreover, when the country is already in sort of chaos, then planning and execution of war is really difficult. combined with forced bad-relationships with all its immediate neighbors and difficult internal situations, securing all the borders and interiors while on the war will be really difficult. compounded with weak economy, fighting for long period will be disastrous for pakistan even if it wins the war. anyway, in such a bad situation, afganistan has nothing to loose!!! by this comment, i have no desire to support the war but living in delusion is far more dangerous.
guest
Jul 19, 2012 08:46am
it would be an interesting war but only the people of afghanistan and pakistan would suffer
A Shah
Jul 19, 2012 08:55am
Pakistan is digging itself a bigger hole. India/USA will not let Afganistan lose the war and it will be Pakistan which will be left even more cripples then it is now. Unfortunately for Pakistan it is a lose - lose scenario.
Umar
Jul 19, 2012 08:59am
The Afghan army going against the 6th biggest army in the world. The idea is laughable, indeed! Don't take me wrong I do not support the Pakistan's army one bit over their double games but still it is a very mature force compared to the Afghan army and I don't think that the United States would be willing to support them in a war against Pakistan, which could for them de-stabilize Pakistan further.
Umar
Jul 19, 2012 03:16pm
India is a different game altogether! Afghanistan depends completely on Pakistan for everything that reaches the country. And which side do you think the Afghan Taliban would be on? Most likely against the Karzai government. Sometimes think with an open mind before making senseless comments. Pakistani education, lets see, it is 'won' not one!
Tanvir Afgan
Jul 19, 2012 03:20pm
Yes block everything! We have had enough of the the US, Afghans and the TTP.
john
Jul 19, 2012 03:47pm
and don't forget who rule india for thousand years, where was indian army?
Guest
Jul 19, 2012 03:52pm
are you kidding me? these aren't the days of getting on the back of a horse and swinging your sword. This whole Pakhtun power thing and uniting this and that is all good for fairy tales buddy. The size and physical attributes of your soldiers don't matter anymore, the world has advanced beyond that point.
Saad (DXB)
Jul 19, 2012 04:00pm
Pakistan vs. Afghanistan? The idea is silly at best. Afghans are only good at Guerrilla Wars. They can't survive a day in the battle field
Saad (DXB)
Jul 19, 2012 04:05pm
Oh yeah.. It was India who liberated the 1/3rd of Kashmir from Pakistan in 1948 and Pakistan went crying to UN.. Right? It was Pakistani Generals who said we will have lunch at Lahore Gymkhana in 1965 but couldn't capture an inch right? It was Pakistan who lost 10k+ soldiers in Kargil vs. the other side losing around 700, right? Get your facts straight mate.. India is only good for knitting Bollywood Inspired Conspiracy Theories.. Tell me 1 Neighboring country which has good relations with India.. China? Bangladesh? Pakistan? Nepal? Sri Lanka? Where has India not tried to create problems?.. Ok Maldives doesn't have bad relations with anyone on the planet ,so you can count them out.. You need a little introspect to see who has a problem with who.
Patriot
Jul 19, 2012 04:11pm
Nobody wins war ever.
dost
Jul 19, 2012 04:17pm
this whole notion of afghan attacking pak is based on fiction, though afghani always wanted to do this they will never be able to do this, dont forget , afghan is land lock country and the supplies goes through paksitan, the afghan are warrior for sure but why do they forget they had strong backing of pak army when they were fighting soviets, Afghan can never been united which is require to wage war, its so easy to buy loytalty of afghan warlord with money. All this is not comming from my mind but from history.
mehtab
Jul 19, 2012 04:19pm
But why would there be a war between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Both are Muslim countries and even though there are differences now between the governments, the people don't have animosity towards each other. And so the differences at govt level would disappear one day. I have been to Kabul and people treated me there as brother and I would treat the afghans same way in Islamabad. We are Muslims first and then Pakistani or afghani or any other nationality. I pray to Allah SWT that there is never a war between us and our afghan brothers. Wassalam
Zero
Jul 20, 2012 12:04pm
You are the man, Zarrar!
jalal khan
Jul 20, 2012 11:31am
Have you watched and heard Mahmood Khan Achekzai's last speech in Quette for about 2 weeks ago.... just watch it you will learn how a real Pakhtun is and how he thinks like........ Iam talking about those kind of Pakhtuns not one like you.
omer khan shaheen
Jul 20, 2012 11:29am
Let me tell you what will really happen in the future. Afghanistan and Pakistan will not fight a war "InshaAllah". They are brothers. Instead they will open up borders for free trade, citizens movement, developmental cooperation, education, health care support in fact they will cooperate on all levels. They both will prosper, their armies will work together and their will be freedom, peace and prosperity. This is what Islam says and this is what will happen! with Allah's grace.
two cents
Jul 19, 2012 04:37pm
you are right about afghanistan being dependent on pakistani trade and business but times have changed and it is very obvious that pakistan is a state ruled by a military dictatorship. the people of afg and pakistan wouldnt go to war b/c there is too much commonality between them especially the pasthuns where the majority reside in pakistan. in a real note, lets say if war does happen i believe afg has nothing to lose compare to pakistan, all afg has to do is invite a couple thousand indian soldiers for "traning" purposes and revive the peshawar legal case which pakistan did not make good on its contract agreement by returning peshawar after 50 years(read about it- britain was the mediator) this will certainly cause a limbo for paksitan.....aside from osama being found on its soil and mullah omar living there comfortably, i dont think anyone will come to the rescue of pakistan if war does break out with afg b/c iran and all the central asian countries are ALL ethincally tied to afghanistan and on the other side you have india poised to see pakistan flip flop to trigger this whole thing.
anil
Jul 19, 2012 04:37pm
I think Pakistan wont go for war as USA and India wont allow it, like Pakistan can stop Afghanistan supplies similarly India can stop supplies to Pakistan through its sea routes, Baloch and pakhtun will will also join war against Pakistan. NATO will also join it. All in all would be very ugly war and it would be a mistake to consider Afghanistan weak.
rob
Jul 19, 2012 04:39pm
Well, when the Baluchis join Afghans, then Afghans will have a nice deepwater port in Gwadar.
two cents
Jul 19, 2012 04:46pm
right and wrong, it use to be that way not anymore central asia opened up with rails and roads and to the west Iran and projects are under way to open a highway with china if anything pakistan is dependent on AFG now you may ask how? ok lets back track to 1999 why was pakistan the main pillar of support for taliban? answer is access to central asia and europe! a funtional goverment in kabul is not favored b/c the pakistani govt knows it will have to respect the wishes and conditions of AFGs so instead it decided to use a proxy to destablize AFG......US wants to use pakistani route due to cost but pakistan is a very poor country and depends on american AID. it is a matter of time till the US pulls its major troops and decides to punish pakistan even more by bolstering the afghan army and airforce....after all they have begun to do joint cross border attacks on pakistani soldiers and a with permanent bases being built in AFG.
two cents
Jul 19, 2012 04:47pm
absolutely right, the dictators that run pakistan are in for the money while the ordinary pakistanis live in misery day by day ......
two cents
Jul 19, 2012 04:50pm
dont forget peshawar legally belongs to AFG so it might be the othe way around b/c after all the pasthuns want their own land, the baluchis want their own land ......the possibility of pakistan breaking up is very HIGHLY considering the west not being very fond lately.
Asif Khan
Jul 19, 2012 04:52pm
Yes, it will be a strong detterent. The routes thro central asian states cost 7 times more. The afghanistan govt has to develop strong relations with Iran, that way, they can keep the trade flowing. Even then, it will cause havoc for afghans and they need their big brother next door. In a nut shell War is not going to happen.
Anil
Jul 19, 2012 04:56pm
The war will happen and in the next 2 years. A Taliban and other militant unity across Pakistan and Afghanistan, overthrow of both governments and an Islamic federation (Afghakistan) These will drive crores of refugees mostly middle class (a world first since WW2) into Indian Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujrat. Interesting times coming up folks.
Zalmai
Jul 19, 2012 05:03pm
There is old saying in Afghan language: "200 warriors is better than 100,000 regular men." It means that the quantity doesn't matter, what matters is the quality... O Allah, please make this 6th biggest army in the world to face Afghan warrior like the Great Britain and the USSR!!!
Indian
Jul 20, 2012 12:41pm
They should - they definitely should and sort out this matter once and for all.
Sylvester India
Jul 20, 2012 12:36pm
No one community ruled India for 1000 years. If you have any doubt - just check whom the British defeated to conquer which part of India. Most of present day Pakistan was under Sikh rule.
TeeKay
Jul 20, 2012 12:33pm
Pakistan and Afghanistan would never go to war in a real sense. If there's an Army to Army war, then we all know who wins (Im just gonna state it anyways: Pakistan). Althought, its probably gonna be a guerilla warfare styled thing, where the Afghan Taliban can't be beaten. And Pathans would never side with Afghans, thats absurd. Balochs siding with them is questionable.
jalal khan
Jul 20, 2012 12:29pm
be a pakhtun.... not a slave paktun.....
jalal khan
Jul 20, 2012 12:26pm
My dear punjabi your all misiles are named after afghan warriors......... ABDALI, GHURI, GHAZNAVI........ ETC. just think about it....
Faraz
Jul 19, 2012 05:35pm
The main problem is with Pak Army, its time they stop playing games and stop differentiating between good and bad Taliban. Taliban good or bad are not in Pak's interest in any way. Its about time Pak Army dumps its old policy of "Strategic Depth".
Iqbal
Jul 20, 2012 12:24pm
In no way we Afghans would merge with Pakistan being the terrorism epicenter in the World. In no way we would merge with Pakistan being a country of looters and burglers. In no way we want to merge with Pakistan being isolated from the world community. In no way we want to merge with Pakistan whose has already lost wars and whose more than one hundred thousand have been surrendered which is a world record. You want to exploit our natural resouces and loot them as you have looted in Balochistan.
no name just fun
Jul 19, 2012 05:46pm
And Hazara and Gilgit Balistan and Nooristan and even Bunnu (Sreiki Belt)
KKR
Jul 20, 2012 12:22pm
these guys have been told that all wars against indians were won by pakistan...feeling pity on such paki education system.they are keeping their own people in dark.
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 06:06pm
All the people commenting here are not pakistanis, so there opinion doesn't matter. Its a matter between pakistan and afghanistan. So indians can say whatever as they will never say anything that will benefit pakistan. I think the merger between pakistan and afghanistan is the way forward, good for both countries. Muslims together will form a better front against the world. So many refugees from afghanistan live in pakistan. They use our currency, weapons, food, accessories etc etc. So why not join? Practically the same people.....I know indians won't like this. but this is not an indian matter what so ever.....
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 06:10pm
Pakistan army has proven record, google it... for facts. How are they easily available tehy have chronic problem from the indians side, then they have pakistan talibans operating and so on. The only free troops in the world are indians....they do nothing for the world peace. WHat have they done for the world peace??? elablorate.
Sal
Jul 19, 2012 06:14pm
Divide and conquer. They are thinking who will they sale arms and how will they boost their power..
Imran Khan
Jul 20, 2012 11:48am
Pakistan relation with its immediate neighbor are not very good terms. You cannot upset immediate neighbor and relies upon distance friend?
Zero
Jul 20, 2012 11:48am
I second it.
xxx
Jul 19, 2012 06:18pm
Yes, both can go on war, but beware Pakistan ! Afghanistan have more stone.
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 06:18pm
Typical indian response.......... What did you do in 71.???? nothing...all you did was make an internal matter of a country and exploited it. Geographically it was wrong in the first place to make a country in such a way, i don't give you any credit for that war. All you did was to islolate the one part from the other, just because you could, becaue of geography. Kargil war don't start man........Till to date the highest peak is under pakistan's control, so where is this so called victory of yours....facts says otherwise...but unfortunately facts are not good enough for you.... You just like to troll on a topic, which has no reference to india what so ever.. Where in this topic india is mentioned but here you are trolling. Every indian wants to destroy pakistan, we know that...so every topic that adds fuel to this, is good for you and you lot start to gather up.
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 06:20pm
I think you are sarcastic..... but i don't care. Even your own countryman couldn't undestand you and gave you thumbs down...... i
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 06:22pm
Are you nostradamus, how do you know the future????? DO you have a magic wand........i don't live in the dream world, i suggest you do the same......Pakistan will loose, how do you know???? ealborate please......Pakistan has nuclear weapons... don' t forget......
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 06:26pm
Have you heard of a thing calleedd................let me see..................................................Tactial nuclear weapons???? Afghans are on foot, they fight in road cars and motorcylces...........Tactial nuclear weapon if exploded, no one can pass through it.......Remember tactial nuclear weapons is different than the conventional nulcear weapon. And you are allowed to use it in war, unlike convential nuclear weapon used in hiroshima/nagasaki......
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 06:29pm
No its not meanigless article, the whole purpose of the article is to divert the attentions of pakistani and afghanistanis from the eminent merger into one country.....'cause if that happens it will be very benefical for pakistan and afghanistan; but disaster for the rest of the world including india.. The amount of indians here is a prooff of that....Not one word is mentioned about india in the article but its packed with indians.....
Shabnaam
Jul 19, 2012 06:45pm
Inorder to reduce and even eliminate religion extremism, Pakistan must be dismembered: Pakistan utilize fundamentalist as a tool of state survival against Afghanistan and India and for financial gain from International community. Take the milking cow of Pak hand by reducing it to a status similar to Bangladesh and then peace will become reality then. Simply convert present religion extremism to Pashtun nationalism and then Pak will become Panjabistan.
napak
Jul 20, 2012 09:31am
Regarding your point 8, it was already destroyed before hand by Pakistan.
umer
Jul 19, 2012 07:05pm
Pakistan and Afghanistan will never go to war. They are already fighting with USA.
Faizullah Khalil
Jul 19, 2012 07:05pm
Mr. Kugelman perspective is more closer and more realistic to the Pak-Afghan delima than what Mr. Haddick has portrayed.. There will certainly be a chaos rather turmoil in Afghanistan after the withdrawl of foreign forces. Those who are familier with the Afghan war and the inside situation of Afghanistan can see this turmoil coming after the withdrawl. The scapegoat will certainly be Pakistan. But one thing Pakistan can do is to start thinking of how to handle the all of a sudden huge influx of Afghan Refugees as a result of this turmoil. Obviously, Pakistan could not deny the refugees a humanitarian shelter nor Pakistan is able to stop the inflow anyway.
zarrar
Jul 19, 2012 07:40pm
you are so wrong, with pakistani education......With pakistani education i have travelled the world....i have three degrees from one of the top unversities in the world, in england. I have a PhD, masters, bachelors...all due to pakistani education....i won gold medals there due to pakistani education........Let me c what have you achieved, don't judge people you have no right...... Secondly what do i know about pakistani army....My father was in the army, he retired as a general of pakistani army.....I know alot about pakistani army you see.......You are the one beating about the bush......See how your comments came back to bite you Don't patronize me...or my country, what right do you have, shows your biggest weakenss??????? You are not as strong as you claim to be.....i know alot of indian personally none of them are like you.... that is for sure.....
Rahul
Jul 20, 2012 12:08pm
so u have no escape, trapped :)
Holyman
Jul 19, 2012 07:30pm
It is sad to read comments by people who think war is something to look forward or interesting. NO war is good, look at the history of all the empires and small poor countries. None benefited except weapons industry. It is a short lived benefit of the wars for militarily strong country and then the reality settles in of economic decline and goods manufacturing gone somewhere else. Yes! the same enemy you are trying to suppress! "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." India should concentrate on building a good economy. Pakistan and Afghanistan as Muslim brothers should learn from history and try to find a peaceful and respectful solution to help each other rather than killing each other on the orders of outsiders. Killing is easy, only brave nations win peace. PEACE ON EARTH FOR ALL.
Kazmis
Jul 19, 2012 07:32pm
Broad the spectrum and see the involvement of NATO also. Pakistan is very necessary for the survival of NATO for the supply line prospective. If Pakistan is smashed by the help of India and internal groups in Pakistan, the goal will be achieved.
vijay
Jul 19, 2012 07:48pm
India will never opt for a war as is will have tremendous implication on its growth. All policies of India revolve around vote bank.
Rahul
Jul 20, 2012 12:05pm
Good one :) Deva please rewrite it, denial here is at the best !!
TRV
Jul 19, 2012 07:56pm
Oh god no! Utter Shambles of South Asia is more like it. They are still in the middle ages.....talking about Mahmud of Ghazni and the greatness of the Arab conquests.....one muslim is equal to 100.....etc. etc. Adding two negatives is still a negative.
A.Vetta
Jul 19, 2012 07:59pm
The problem with American South Asian pundits is their almost total ignorance of its history and attitudes. Look at the mess they have made. I would, however, like to correct the false idea that the only trade route to Afghanistan is through Pakistan. This route is very convenient for Northern India. Iranian route is used by India and other and is likely to become more important. It is, however, not open to US & NATO for obvious reasons.
Rashid Khan
Jul 20, 2012 03:19am
Dear Jalal Khan I am a Pakhtun from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, if there is a war between Pakistan and Afghanistan, I will gladly die for my country, which by the way is Pakistan.
Zero
Jul 20, 2012 11:59am
Sure .. just like California belongs to Mexico and Kashmir belongs to India.
taranveer singh
Jul 19, 2012 08:23pm
who say Afghans are formidable? they were defeated in battle of multan, battle of attock, battle of nowshera, battle of shopian, by sikhs . search on google. and they were defeated by martha sikh combined force in north west conquest . and were defeated by marathas in battle of peshawar. in battle of saragarhi 10000 Afghans find it difficult to fight with 21 sikhs, 450 of Afghans were killed.
mohammed
Jul 19, 2012 08:31pm
I am agree with Jalal khan
Zero
Jul 20, 2012 11:55am
Could you please rewrite your comment in simple English?
tooryalay
Jul 19, 2012 09:01pm
Pakistan must and should split and go to his origin Pathan and Balluch to afghanistan or Mother land Sind and Panjab to great India there is not a country like Pakistan in the history this region.Pakistan made by great Braitin in 1947 this country created resently and doesn't have ligitimacy.
afghan4peace
Jul 19, 2012 09:05pm
You are talking about closing routes to afghanistan. In reality, all afghanistan needs is to reroute its waters going into pakistan by building dams And irrigation systems. This will reduce pakistan's electricity capacity by about 30 %. The same it will hurt the irrigation in pakistan. If india does the same, pakistan will crush in a yearbyitself. All pakistan wants to do is destabilize afghanistan so it will be in no position to become a threat For pakistan. Pakistan needs afghanistan more than afghanistan needs Pak. Afghanistan has all the resources if used And planned properly. All we need is good rulers and the will to sacrifice their personal gains For those Of their country. Pakistan is in position economically to fight a war. Its Supplies will last no longer than a month as happened in 1965 when the usa had to push For a ceasefire so save their ally For this day.
Baluchi
Jul 19, 2012 09:09pm
I think Pakistan and Afghanistan should unite. Then only these punjabis sitting in their comfort homes in Lahore, Islamabad and Rawalpindi will realies the meaning of Taliban. Long Live Taliban.
Waqas
Jul 19, 2012 09:13pm
We cannot survive for a week without IMF bailouts or CSF type funds from NATO and then we talk of a war. I am just unsuccessfully trying to think of anything positive of us.
shazada zahid
Jul 19, 2012 09:20pm
The Pakistanis and Afghans are one people and they cannot come to blows - Hamid Karazi and his team know that.
Believer
Jul 19, 2012 09:27pm
So not going to happen. much to your dismay
Stoneheart
Jul 19, 2012 09:28pm
dream on........
stoneheart
Jul 19, 2012 09:29pm
You can dream a dream but you'll sleep all your life dreaming while Pakistan will stand tall in the real world. a few years and you will be eating your words.
stoneheart
Jul 19, 2012 09:31pm
thank you well said
stoneheart
Jul 19, 2012 09:33pm
it'll be Pakistan with its nuclear fist on its enemies jaws. if need be, that is.
stoneheart
Jul 19, 2012 09:36pm
Dhiraj,,, no war. its nuclear age. missile age. afghans have sadly brought an insane chaos and you my (Not) friend, will feel it in your backyard too.
stoneheart
Jul 19, 2012 09:37pm
Awesome.............Zarrar, a very smart conclusion to this meaningless article
Guest
Jul 19, 2012 09:49pm
If we see history muslims had done nothing except war and war.To spread their religion they fought war .SO how can one say muslim is religion of peace.
Naeem
Jul 19, 2012 10:33pm
So what have the combined Pakhtuns done against USA or NATO? Absolutely nothing!!! Don't they rule over you?
Zero
Jul 19, 2012 10:33pm
Hope DAWN allows my comments because I see hatred being spewed by Afghans and Indians on this forum. Consider the following: 1. USSR invades Afghanistan. 2. With US and Pakistan assistance, Mujahideen drive out USSR. 3. Pakistan takes in millions of Afghans as refugees. 4. Afghan Taliban rule Afghanistan with Arabs (Al Qaeda) as their 'guests'. 5. Arabs fly planes into WTC. 6. US attacks and levels Afghanistan. 7. Pakistan takes more refugees; becomes a target of Afghan and Pakistani terrorists. 8. Afghanistan and its new 'masters' destroy peace in the region. 9. Pakistan suffers maximum loss of life in this so-called 'war on terror'. Every country has the right to defend its interests and Pakistan is no different. Pakistan desires peaceful co-existence with neighbors and the rest at equal footing. We also have spies for dirty, proxy wars. Afghanistan, in its right mind, can not even think of a war with Pakistan.
Naeem
Jul 19, 2012 10:37pm
I am all for a United States of South Asia to include Afganistan, Pakistan, India, SL, BD and perhaps Iran!!! No foreigner white or balck will be able to exploit us!!!
Asif
Jul 19, 2012 10:55pm
Well it is laughable that people here actually even believe that the Afghans will be able to put up any resistance against a professional army like Pak military. Also, we have been taking care of 3.5 million Afghan refugees for more than 25 years. If a war happens, then we will have to forcefully deport them back.
Guest
Jul 19, 2012 11:11pm
Even with thousands of NATO troops on ground in Afghanistan, President Karzai's rule doesnot extend even to the suburbs of Kabul. How on earth will a current or future Afghan government wage a war with Pakistan when Pushtuns on either side of the Durand line will not allow non-Pushtuns Afghan soldiers within hundred miles of the Pak- Afgan border?
Rajesh
Jul 19, 2012 11:42pm
Pakistani Military thrives on creating anonymity with all its neighbors by showing of military muscles against weak adversary (Which they make pakistan people to think) and proxy war by using missionaries or poor and underprivileged against stronger adversary (launching terror campaign killing innocent and creating fear of safety among population), Such as Afghanistan in west and India in east. Going on war with will have devastating affect so they prefer to keep conflict alive in west and posturing in east. That is only way they can secure their business interests intact and keep general population poor. Elites are enjoying privileges which they certainly can't enjoy on military salary.
Rashid Khan
Jul 19, 2012 11:45pm
Dear Jalal Khan, I am a Pukhtun from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, if there is a war between Pakistan and Afghanistan, I will gladly die for my country, which by the way is Pakistan.
Rajesh
Jul 19, 2012 11:48pm
Why you always talk about confrontation, what good it has done to your country. You use your resources to create menace to your neighbors east and west. What will happen if they pay you back with same coin+coin+coin; can you match? Stop being macho and bully it looks nice only in boxing ring.
Rajesh
Jul 19, 2012 11:51pm
Why not restrict pakistan to only punjab, land lock them. all word troubles are over. Who in right mind would like to merge with Pakistan, Small minority of Indian Kashmiri also have dropped this idea.
Ragu
Jul 19, 2012 11:53pm
Afganisthan and Pakistan should merge into a single Islamic/Sunni country. It is better for both nations. After a decade or two after they merge into a single nation, they can also invade and capture Kashmir from India and also parts of China where Uguirs are living. The unwanted Shias, Ahmadiyas, Baluch, Hazaras can always become refugees in IRAN or INDIA. What else can the world ask for and what else can Pakistanis ask for. A great Islamic country with full imposition of Sharia. China, India, Russia and Iran will shiver in facing such a state on their border.
Rajesh
Jul 19, 2012 11:57pm
I totally agree with you. Conformational polices towards its neighbor will only bring misery to already troubled pakistan.
Rajesh
Jul 20, 2012 12:01am
Can pakistan Army open two fronts no matter how strong and big it is. India will open eastern front to release pressure on western from on Afganistan. It is same situation for India wher China may come o rescue of pakistan, But tell me honestly will they do it with their second largest trading partner!!
jalal khan
Jul 20, 2012 01:03pm
good point....
Abdul
Jul 20, 2012 12:16am
Pakistan army was wrong to run Pakistan and rightly lost to Bangladeshies. Indian army did not fought a brave war and won. they found an army who already lost the war against its own people. And yes if Pak army will not give authority back to Pakistanies, that can happen again. Means they can lose another war against their own nation.
Nasim
Jul 20, 2012 12:47am
It is haram to speak truth in Pakistan. In reality USA will fight war for Afghanistan and all our leader have house in Dubai to take shelter in need....Insha Allah let it happen for the good.
Vikram
Jul 20, 2012 12:55am
I thought all Ummah, all Muslims are brothers and sisters. It is Pakistan that creates problems in Afghanistan and not the other way around. Pakistan has given Afghanistan a gift of "talibans" which they will never forget. Afghanistan needs to train Super talibans to deal with Pakistan. This time if Pakistan starts playing talibans, UN should put sanctions to stop Pakistan.
A.Bajwa
Jul 20, 2012 01:01am
I don't think so. Afghans have been fighting each other. I doubt if they can sort out their differences. The ideological gap between Wahhabi Taliban and somewhat liberal Northern Alliance is too wide for anyone to bridge. May be Afghanistan will have to be partitioned as India was , and later Pakistan had to.
Ahmer Waraich
Jul 20, 2012 02:00am
What a joke this article is. This is not the 18th century of Ahmed Shah Durrani or his grandson Shah Zaman when a rag tag Lashkar could walk into a disunited Punjab and plunder whatever they liked. Ever since that one eyed genius Ranjit Singh and his general Hari Singh Nalwa united Punjabis, all invaders have crossed the Khaiber pass from East to West and none from West to East. Afghan Pashtuns are certainly great fighters in their own country and topography but should they be foolish enough to invade Pakistan with a highly reputed Army, not too many will go back alive.
asghar
Jul 20, 2012 02:05am
I dont know from where this idea struck the mind of Robert Haddick. Pakistan and Afghanistan cannot remain independent of eachother because of numerous understandable reasons. I humbly request Mr. Robert Haddick to throw some light on the most important factor in the current crisis; Afghans seeing ISAF as occupiers.
M Siddique
Jul 20, 2012 02:44am
@Shah, if you think India and Pakistan will make Afghanistan win a war against Pakistan, I will suggest wake up and smell the coffee.
M. Siddique
Jul 20, 2012 02:46am
@Jalal Khan, do you have any structures in Afghanistan, non. Wait until the US forces leave, you will be running to Pakistan as well.
Ali H. Ayub
Jul 20, 2012 03:06am
this is the joke of the century; Afghanistan going to war on Pakistan? Pashtuns of Pakistan will defend our motherland against Afghan aggression. First line of defence.
@dodgy_helmet
Jul 20, 2012 06:34am
If only wishes grew on trees. Keep wishing, it's the best you can do.
muraligv
Jul 20, 2012 03:08am
With people like zaid hamid and Gul who have set their own country on fire, no one needs to fight with paksiatn
Ali H. Ayub
Jul 20, 2012 03:10am
we pashtuns will defend Pakistan at all costs.
Ali H. Ayub
Jul 20, 2012 03:10am
keep dreaming
Ali H. Ayub
Jul 20, 2012 03:11am
i hail from kurram...believe me, we wont fight fellow Pakistanis and work with afghans.
saiker
Jul 20, 2012 03:57am
"WAR is not the style of muslims"...that would be a great name for my cheap store selling authentic fakes..thanks for the idea
anony
Jul 20, 2012 04:01am
"Jacobee · less than 1 minute ago Well they were'nt very good in 1971 or 1999 Kargil, or the other wars. In fact i can't remember one war that Pakistan has one" Its WON, not 'one'. Get some education first bro :)
Eric Kumar
Jul 20, 2012 04:18am
Days by gone Afghani's has fought Brits,soviets,americans all world powers and next it will be Pakistan. So think before you leap
Komal S
Jul 20, 2012 05:36am
Your statement reminds me some informed pakistanis making statements like One musalman equal to 12 hindus. We know what happened in 1965, 1971 etc.. maybe the sikhs, sherpas and muslims in india are winning it for us. Jokes aside, i do not think Afganistan would be foolish to go to war with Pakistan for the next 50 years. It will be suicidal.
Iqbal
Jul 20, 2012 06:29am
We know your intention and what the Kufar did with our prophet who blocked all the ways and kept them in a valley. Here question arise that what would be the difference between you and those Kufar? If you keep our terrorists (Afghan Taliban) on our terrorists camps, why not we have to adopt the same tactics with you to keep your terrorists (Paki Taliban) in our dins. Being a soverign nation we have all the right to chose who to make friendship with and who to consider an enemy.
virkau
Jul 20, 2012 05:59am
Prospects of an armed conflict re remote but cross border skirmishes will continue for long that will bleed Pakistan. As far as Zarrar's theory of blockade is concerned, he has to understand that such action have implications as it is a matter of survival for Afghans, NATO & US. in worst case, boundaries could be redrawn. It has happened in the past. It is better to talk peace instead of giving war cries.
Iqbal
Jul 20, 2012 06:37am
Zarrar, the availability of Pakistani army doe not mean they are brave or well trained but it means how easily they can be bought.
PeaceLover
Jul 20, 2012 06:09am
Jacobee - Pakistan and India have fought 3 wars. 1947, 1965 & 1971. 1947: If any country is able to forcefully occupy a 5134 sq miles territory during a war and keeps on occupying it for another 65 years than you can decide the victor of the war, no need to elaborate and quote facts, right? 1965: If you compare the casualties of both countries you would find it your self that India's casualties were far more than that of Pakistan. Statistically the war was won by Pakistan because they outnumbered the casualties in Air Force, ground Army and even the Navy. Trust me Pakistan's Navy is a joke, statistically Indian Navy is perhaps the greatest but I need not to embarrass you what happened in Dwarka. If my memory serves me well, in a time frame of less than 60 seconds 5 Indian fighters were gunned down. So much so that your then PM Lal Bahadur Shastri died of a heart attack months after the war was over of the stress Pakistan gave to him in 1965. 1971: This was a civil unrest of which India took advantage - it was a war of the Bengalis not the Indians.. 1999 - Kargil The # of Indian casualties in 1999 even though it was not a war was more than 1947 - 1971 combined. Yes, Pakistan did suffer as well but again your casualties were far more than what Pakistanis had. Lets not forget the fact that India is 7 times the size of Pakistan, yet it was defeated on 2 of 3 war fronts. India always faces embarrassment from Pakistan in sports as well. Get the statistics of all the matches played between the 2 neighbors in Cricket, Hockey, Squash, etc..you will find Pakistanis record overwhelming. On a personal note there should never be a war between anyone - one should live in peace and let others live in peace. This goes out for the author for writing an article that perhaps lacks common sense.
Imran
Jul 20, 2012 10:31am
An illogical article penned by someone in a far-off think tank paid to plan theoretical scenarios. And look at the nonsense it has generated.
deva
Jul 20, 2012 06:51am
boss listen nazam sethi, hasan nisar or any good intelligent pakistan intellectual even Nadeem. you will come to know who won and who lost the war. if all the wars won by pakistan then why they are still so undevloped and near to become failed state. dear most importent is self honest evalution. in my view in future there will not be any war if pakistan not trigger. and Shastriji was poisened not sure why. at that time india entered in Lahore or near to that
Nut Case
Jul 20, 2012 06:56am
I don't know why Pakistanis see thigs as impossible , War may not be with Karzai government in Kabul which is weak but Let's look at history once more , Pakistan today honors the agressors of past to further ideology of Islamic state but religious identity is just an excuse Mehmud Gaznavi rose from Afganistan and his first target was the Ismaili Fatimid King of Multan before he fought with Hindu Shahi Kingdom of Kabul. Similarly Muhmmad Ghori first Captured the muslim states of Punjab before he ventured eastwords. There is no reason that another Afgan warlord can not gain enough power and move south wards towards todays Pakistani Punjab and SIndh
Afridi
Jul 20, 2012 07:02am
The people of tribals areas are suffering both at the hands of talibans and security forces.we are fed up of the current scenario.No one is paying any heed to us as though we are not human beings.Years into operations in tribals areas but still remains unclear.Serious question arises in one's mind .i.e our security forces lost the ability or not willing to fight few hundred people ,who have brought havoc to our lives.
Ali Zaidi
Jul 20, 2012 07:04am
I am a Shia Mohajir and stand with Pakistan in face of any/every threat. I am willing and ready to fight for Pakistan's survival.
liver,brother
Jul 20, 2012 07:08am
It is time to control our emotions, Afghanistan and Pakistan are like twin brothers. This type of articles frequently published in international media to build up pressure on Pakistan, Pakistan knows well, how to address the situation, even Afghans are well know to the fact that Pakistan is their second home, hence none will destroy his own home.
Ali Zaidi
Jul 20, 2012 07:11am
Is that right Please remind me which country is responsible dismembered the all imposing Soviet Empire and tore the Iron wall down. In case you were in a coma during the period the answer is Pakistan. It is Pakistan again which is bancrupting another super power.
afghan4peace
Jul 20, 2012 07:15am
It is because Of opportunistic pashtuns Of pakistan that afghanistan is burning in hellfire. U have lost your pashto to urdu And english. U cannot even read And write in pashto. You will write to your parents in either urdu or english. Do u call yourself a pashtun? Pashtun is pashtun who has kept his language And culture. You have adopted hindu, punjabi And WESTERN cultures.
Munir Ahmad Saeed
Jul 20, 2012 07:16am
@jalal Where were your pakhtoon forces when Hari singh Nalwa, a geneal of Raja Ranjeet singh thrashed the hell out of all Pakhtoons in today's KPK and bit of afghanistan. The city of Haripur is the proof of this historical fact when the Punjabi Army, does not matter Muslim or Sikh (they are punjabis), proved just a century ago, that they are better fighters. The myth of being is non sense these day.
afghan4peace
Jul 20, 2012 07:31am
For your information, ranjeet singh was funded And supported by the british to weaken the afghans And facilitate the way For their control Of the areas. They used the punjabis against the afghans And weakend both sides so they can have control over this area A nd they did it. The pashtuns Of pakistan has always remained submissive to the british as their punjabi brothers. The same way the americans funded And supported Pak army. Big armies are good For parades especially those Of third World countries like pakistan. U need real economies For prolonged wars And endless Supplies Of fuel, food (excluding chana dall, masoor daal) And ammunition. Tanks are useless in afghanistan And we pray that you guys enter afghanistan. Welcome home, from where only your dead body will go home.
deva
Jul 20, 2012 07:44am
So as per yo. u Pakistan is too innocent and not done anywrong doing. Please come out of this denail mode. abount Hatered from some boarder-- sometime true but sometime it might be others opposite opinion.
asdf
Jul 20, 2012 08:22am
very right
innohunter
Jul 20, 2012 08:29am
OMG, That's deep analysis....NOT
innohunter
Jul 20, 2012 08:31am
Guys, don't mistake him for Pakistan. He is an Afghani
s khan
Jul 20, 2012 08:35am
you are talking about a country which has more nukes than india
rvn848
Jul 20, 2012 08:41am
Dear friend, if Pak army is so best in the world and won all its war against india, Why Kashmir is still with India ? Come take it. As they failed to win a single war against India ,started to wage proxy war using ignorent fanatics,and terrorist against India. Friend, but I must salute you for your 'knowledge and brain, Pakistans future is very bright. good.
PeaceLover
Jul 20, 2012 09:33am
rnv848 - You need to read my 1947-1948 war portion of the comment. Pakistan forcefully occupied 5134 sq miles of Kashmir from India which Pakistanis call as AZAD Kashmir.
Umar
Jul 20, 2012 09:51am
And with whose help you defeated the USSR? Pakistan, yeah thats right. And everybody in the world knows that Afghan Taliban are the worst enemies of the Karzai government and with some efforts will gladly help Pakistan army against the present government. United States would not risk upsetting their relations further with Pakistan and guess who's side China is on? Yeah, once again Pakistan! Mine the Afghan border and seal it to keep Afghan refugees out.
Neerj
Jul 21, 2012 03:24pm
Hope this knowledge helps, unfortunately it won't though
Zero
Jul 20, 2012 08:41pm
So don't disgrace your heroes .. at least we have missiles to tag some names .. all you have done is sell yourself, time after time.
Virkau
Jul 21, 2012 02:59am
Zarrar: Do you really think that you can deny them right of way and the world community would keep silent? What happens if there are sanctions on Pakistan due to this move authorized by the UN? What if there is a blockade of Karachi and Gwader ports through Arabian Sea? Think in a matured way.
Charminar
Jul 21, 2012 03:47am
Bulls Eye, before the NATO forces leave the Af-Pak area this is what they want to make sure. So in future they can keep busy fighting each other and the world can live in pace. I won't fault them for this thinking though..
Syed (Australia)
Jul 21, 2012 07:02am
It will be foolish for Afghanistan to fight a war against Pakistan Army. Pakistan Army is very strong and very united. It was Pakistan army who thrown Russian out of Afghanistan and not Afghanis or American and so called American Jiahdis. If Afghanis are great warriors in the first place they should have not let Russian to roll down their tanks to Kabul in just 24 hours. Afghanistan and western powers should think twice before standing against Pakistan Army. Pakistan Army is never alone its people are always behind them. Even in these worst days people trust Army more than corrupt politicians.
Farouk
Jul 21, 2012 04:49am
Silly Comment! Stop living in dreams. Afghans were warriors during 1710. Now you are living in 2012
Zero
Jul 21, 2012 09:04am
There are more Indians on this forum than Afghans. What is their stake in the point of this article?
Cyrus Howell
Jul 21, 2012 09:50am
Pakistan and Afghanistan cannot go to war. They are allies in the drug business. More likely is that Balochistan allies itself with Iran to fight oppression in Pakistan..
Hamdi
Jul 23, 2012 06:23am
Read the last para again...you obviously have missed the point.
Iblis e Kabir
Jul 23, 2012 06:27pm
I hope there is no war between these two countries, but all this talk about them uniting as some sort of confederation is silly. Afghans and Pakistanis are not the same people and even the Pashtun people of the two countries are different. Afghans speak Pashto and Farsi not Urdu, Punjabi and the other Indian languages and furthermore they identify Pakistanis as Dalkhor Punjabis. The kind of prejudice Afghans harbor towards Pakistanis is deep seated and instilled in the national psyche. Afghans ridicule the Pakistani national anthem, which is written in Farsi and lends credence to Pakistan's identity crisis. Islam is the only common denominator between these two nations.
Pashton
Jul 24, 2012 08:04am
Dude, ALL of punjab used to be a part of a Sikh empire. INCLUDING the modern day Pakhtunkhwa. Guess what, they are not sick anymore, want to know why? Because the Afghan's defeated them, not just any defeat but it's a humilating defeat. They lost 70% of their land.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 25, 2012 09:28am
The Afghan Navy has to be better than the Iranian Navy.
saythetruth
Jul 25, 2012 09:25am
Silly idea why we want to fight with our twin brother. Deep down both countries love each other unfortunately India and USA continue to play a very negative role innocent life are being lost on both side of the boarder.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 25, 2012 09:26am
When Muslims can get along together it will be the Last Days.
Cyrus Howell
Jul 25, 2012 09:20am
You are dreaming. Afghans, General Zia, the Saudis, Israelis, Egyptians and the CIA all drove the Russian Army out of Afghanistan.
B R Chawla
Jul 24, 2012 04:46pm
Why talk of going to war. Talk of reconciliation and peace among the civilized nations. Not only Pakistan and Afganistan but the entire world would become one home for the entire mankind only once the human race breaks loose from the shackles of religion and only once the world embraces spirituality which is the essence of all religions. The great awakening is in the offing and the man made barriers shall disappear within the next fifty years. Take my words for granted.Chawla
Sameer
Jul 25, 2012 11:18am
Hey bro, I'm an auditor by profession and Punjabi by ethnicity. I have lived and worked in Kabul as well. I believe, we must take Afghans as our brothers, share our sources for the betterment of both the countries rather than wasting them to look down upon each other. Afghanis are great warriors, so is our Pak Army. But war won't feed our families, It won't clothe us, it won't bring smile to either of the nations. Why war then?? Why not peace and harmony. Why don't we start respecting each other and ask Geo & Tullu Television Networks to stop feeding mis information to the general public... I pray, May Allah Bless both of us and guide us towards a peaceful and prosperous path.
Mustafa
Jul 25, 2012 08:04pm
Kindly identify yourself as there are many things evident from your brief comment
Qadri
Jul 25, 2012 08:15pm
A peaceful and mature solution from both sides as the people have already suffered enough
Islam
Jul 25, 2012 08:16pm
Independence is the only solution for both Pakistan and Afghanistan to create policies of mutual interest setting long term goals
Pak
Jul 25, 2012 08:19pm
Policies should be developed independently through round table talks without any interference from third parties looking for their own interest