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ISLAMABAD: Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu will visit Islamabad on Thursday for talks with Pakistani leadership on strengthening defence cooperation and sale of military equipment.
This will be the first visit to Pakistan by a Russian defence minister in recent past.
The minister, according to a source, would stay in Islamabad for a few hours before returning to Moscow. Neither side has publicly announced the visit.
A defence ministry official said the two sides would discuss full spectrum of defence collaboration during Mr Shoigu’s visit.
Mr Shoigu had earlier in the week visited China where he said that defence ministries of Russia and China were seeking to form a regional collective security system in the Asia-Pacific due to concerns that the US was attempting to strengthen its military and political clout in the region.
Russia and Pakistan have lately been working on enhancing defence cooperation and are believed to have already covered a lot of ground. Exchange of visits by military commanders in recent years is an indication of progress achieved in this regard.
India’s decision to enter into tighter embrace with the US had prompted Russia to rethink its defence relationship with Pakistan.
Also read: Pakistan, Russia to enhance cooperation
The visit also comes against the backdrop of reports that Moscow had given go-ahead for sale of MI-35 helicopters to Pakistan, which is interested in purchasing up to 20 helicopters.
Russian Ambassador to Pakistan Alexey Dedov had in a radio interview said that the helicopter deal had been “politically approved” and further negotiations on details of the political-commercial contract were in progress.
Pakistan’s former ambassador to Russia Khalid Khattak said the Russian defence minister’s upcoming visit reflected improvement in ties between the two countries. “We are entering a phase of defence collaboration in procurement and production. It’s important,” he added.
But a defence source said the Russian side was unlikely to make any major announcement during Mr Shoigu’s trip because of President Vladimir Putin’s visit to Delhi next month. “They would not like to disturb Putin’s visit,” he added.
Published in Dawn, November 20th, 2014
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Nov 20, 2014 06:52am
Pakistan - Welcome Russia.Sorry we fought against you in Afghanistan and sided with your eternal enemy.
Russia - Its ok. Sorry we were against you in Bangladesh War and sided with your eternal enemy.
Pakistan - In friendship no sorry no thanks. Let us be friends.
Russia - Cool
Pakistan - USA used to give us billions of dollars in aid and army equipment.
Russia - Ya
Pakistan - So how much are you giving us?
Russia- (Facepalm) Let us think...
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Nov 20, 2014 06:56am
Global musical chairs, India being cozy with the Americans and Pakistan with Rissia!
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Nov 20, 2014 07:00am
Sale of few hundred million dollars of equipment is so important for Russia that they are risking freindship with India !! Modi should put Putin in his place when he comes calling next month to New Delhi. As per news reports G20 leaders even refused talk to Putin in Australia, Modi should ask Putin to clarify this relation ship. Hopefully this is nothing but Russians trying to make some quick bucks selling outdated equipment.
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Nov 20, 2014 07:17am
This is most welcome move. Pakistan and Russia collaborates in rhe past. Russians built rje steel mill.
Pakistan Russia and China can build a strong security block.against American designs.
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Nov 20, 2014 07:28am
Hallelujah, Islamabad will now support Moscow's military action in Ukraine...
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Nov 20, 2014 07:29am
India is an emerging superpower itself and it would be Russians' loss if they decide something unusual.
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Nov 20, 2014 07:47am
Who will be the biggest junk buyer in the world? PAKISTAN
India has bought in past the sub par stuff from Russia not any more.
Also while other countries have improved their products Russia has not. Now it's good for Pakistan.
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Nov 20, 2014 07:48am
Get ready to buy outdated weapons .....
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Nov 20, 2014 07:57am
New security organisation is likely to formed in Asia under Chinese leadership which may compromise of China, Russia, Iran, Pakistan and other central asian countries as strong counter to NATO and this will help Pakistan and keep India in check.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:04am
Is this the helicopter man....Pakistan must ask for something more
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Nov 20, 2014 08:07am
Don't get overwhelmed fellow Pakistanis. Actually Pakistan's umbilical cord which is attached to USA and Saudi Arabia has gradually reached it's neck like a snare, hence their is no escaping their stranglehold.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:09am
And how would pakistan pay for these equipment , ofcourse it cannot and russia must be playing a game to make india aware of russian displeasure before putin's visit.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:10am
More free deals for pakistan before christmas from russia as pakistan cannot bear the cost of these as we are morally and economically bankrupt.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:12am
India does not have a reliable partner , US is unreliable and their items are costly , russian too is unreliable hence they should buy it from china.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:13am
Russia is major power so defense ties between two countries is a good omen.
India is a bunny of US for now. Lets see how long it lasts. General Deepak Kapoor the CEC of India wrote a book "India checkmates US 2017" shows real Indian intentions, that they are loyal to none.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:13am
Looks like it is just an act by the russian minister to make india envious and thus bag more deals from india when putin visits next month as no country would like to sell anything to pakistan as they know pakistan cannot pay back.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:14am
What India rejected will be purchased by Pakistan. Focus on your development Pakistan. Rest of the things will automatically fall in place.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:20am
In Politics, there are no friends, just interests.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:21am
Americans donate weapons to Pakistan while India Purchases weapons from Russia.Russians are not a good donors while Pakistanis are not good purchasers.
Raghu
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Nov 20, 2014 08:24am
It is not as simple as it is made out to be in the Pakistani media ... for the following reasons,
(1) Pakistan can never replace India in terms of the dollar amount of deals, which the Russians can not ignore. Russia's arms deals with Pakistan will never be at the expense of India. However the Russians gaining a slice of Pakistani arms market is win-win for all. If Pakistan can show the money, good for them.
(2) Russia is expanding its areas of influence in the region, and trying to blunt US influence and control on Pakistan. And
(3) Russia gaining ground in Pakistan is good for the region, as it may eventually broker a peace agreement between India and Pakistan in the future.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:25am
We welcome Russia and Russians........
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Nov 20, 2014 08:26am
"India’s decision to enter into tighter embrace with the US had prompted Russia to rethink its defence relationship with Pakistan."
In reality, Russians are in deep trouble due to a second Cold War with the USA and the EU. If India's trying to get cozy with America, it should learn from Pakistan's lesson - buyer beware! Poor Russia, India is leaving it out in the cold .. so let's see how Modi's tryst with America will work in the long run - whether or not it will be a loyal friendship or just a flash in the pan.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:31am
Russia is always with india
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Nov 20, 2014 08:38am
Pakistans goal to procure the Mig 35 Fulcran. PAF will be the only Air Force in the world , with lethal strike capability of F-16 and MIG 35. Only PAF pilots can achieve this proficiency, which Russia has acknowledged.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:00am
More Russian Junk along with chinese junk for pakistan's junk yard.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:00am
Desperate times for desperate states.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:02am
Russia is open to sell arms to pakistan as India also expanding its market and buying more n more weapons & equipments from US, Israel, European country. Its fair game.
But still Russia is one the most trusted & biggest defense partner of India and we are still working together on many major defense project including 5th generation fighter aircraft.
President Putin coming to India in dec is proof of that.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:03am
Good to hear that. Pakistan should follow a balanced policy. Instead of sitting in US camp and giving all out support and taking flak in return from US all the time is not a good deal. This balanced foreign policy is necessary for success in international relations.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:12am
Its all Business finally, so Pakistan should stop all un-wanted things towards its neighbors and should look only towards progress in all fields, automatically things will fall in its place
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Nov 20, 2014 09:13am
Chinese equipment will be better for pakistan than russian , nobody wants to buy russian junk today.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:25am
Well come to Pakistan.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:26am
Space collaboration, Satellites and Laser research are the areas when Pakistan should focus with Russians now.
Other areas should include Heavy industries setup and joint projects in defence production
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Nov 20, 2014 09:28am
nobody in the world can break the relationship between Russia and India .. this is deep rooted into the DNA of Indian and Russian people.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:28am
What a shame. Pakistan was one of the closest allies of the United States, a bastion of free enterprise and forward looking. At the same time India was being run as a socialist country in a tight embrace with the (former) USSR. How things have changed.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:31am
Though it is Pakistan to decide, yet, the best thing for Pakistan will be o think about its own interest & then decide which group to join. It must not allow itself to be used by others again & again. US used it to fight Soviets & then dumped, more recently, it was used after 9-11. India chose its alliance per need of hour & per its national interests. Pakistan should do that with its interests in mind. Russia for sure is not the future under Putin as he is not liked much by Russians. No doubt world needs a strong Russia,but, not the way it is acting now. Pakistan should be careful to decide.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:37am
Russians need hard cash of US dollars.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:40am
Pakistan is secure against indian threats due to its close ties with China and Russia.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:47am
Good move!
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Nov 20, 2014 09:49am
Nice Move!
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Nov 20, 2014 09:50am
Marginalised Russia coming towards isolated Pakistan, good partners .
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Nov 20, 2014 09:50am
Enjoy cheap Russian equipments
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Nov 20, 2014 10:04am
Russia has realized the deceipt and deviousness of India. So it is changing its foreign policy to align closer ties with Pakistan, China, Afghanistan. With Central Asia added, it will make a strong trading, energy and military grouping. Until Kashmir is not resolved, India will be excluded. US will take care of India, not to worry.
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Nov 20, 2014 10:08am
Time, death and customer never wait for anyone, friendship and business are two different aspects and we can't compromise our national security for the sake of friendship. We don't give a damn about indo- us or indo-russia friendship as in reality no one is your friend without his own self intrest , the equations get changing in this world , the thing that we care most is our own motherland BHARAT.
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Nov 20, 2014 10:14am
one can only wonder why the Indian readers (one also wonders why indians are dawn readers in the first place most are just trolling i guess) are getting so worked up about this.. comments like.. two isolated countries coming together.. good luck with cheap russian products.. have fun with rejected equipment.. i mean im sure that everyone in india is an expert defence analyst and knows each and everything about russian helicopters and military equipment etc (btw its a purely sarcastic comment to further irritate you indians).. but just wondering why getting so worked up.. ?
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Nov 20, 2014 10:20am
Good for Pakistan, I say. It needs all the help in the world to stabilize itself and progress. Just hope that Pakistan uses the arms for defense purposes and not the other way round.
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Nov 20, 2014 10:20am
It's a natural change. We welcome the Russian defender minister to Pakistan. It's a good opportunity for both Pakistan and Russia to diversify their economies. The soviet afghan war is long gone. We need to start a new chapter in our relationship. Not just militarily but economic and people to people! Oh and btw, it's about time!!
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Nov 20, 2014 10:22am
@Hope You be loyal for your master (china, saudi, USA) India does not have any master to be loyal. It is just matter of business
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Nov 20, 2014 10:24am
@omar Please read blog of wasutulla (bbc) according to him Pakistanis like poor Bakshu
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Nov 20, 2014 10:26am
@Ali Gohar well said!
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Nov 20, 2014 10:26am
It is good that Prime Minister Sharif is trying to improve Pakistan's foreign relations.
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Nov 20, 2014 10:27am
What people here, Indians and Pakistanis both, don't realize here is that, Indian Polity as a National Representation thinks and believes itself to be on par with any nation, be it with Russia or USA and talks and engages with them on equal terms. We do not have any dependency on other nations for our well-being, economically or in any other way.
This is because we have had a strong Institutional Base which Pakistan just does not have.
Regarding Pakistan-Russia relations, be that as they are, Russia would not be the one trying to distance itself from India. After all economically, Russia is dependent on India more than Pakistan.
What readers from Pakistan seem to conveniently ignore is that Vladimir Putin is visiting India next month, do you really thing that would have had been the case had Russia been trying to distance itself from India ?
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Nov 20, 2014 10:32am
show me the dollar baby!Russia is in difficult times facing sanctions.Geo politics of erstwhile Russian federation is complex.To make sure the prominence among his erstwhile states,Russia is aggressive and dominating. Russia cannot ignore India. There are many ventures and partnerships between these countries.
They know the grip of US and wahabi Saudi
on Pakistan .It is only this.Show me the dollar baby!
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Nov 20, 2014 10:33am
Juna purana saman lelo....
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Nov 20, 2014 10:38am
Clearly the negative comments by Indians show that they are getting nervous. Pakistan must strengthen relations with Russia
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Nov 20, 2014 10:40am
@hope: yes you're right in last sentence. India is not loyal to any country as we do not have some other country as master and mentor.
@zak: mi 35 and mig 35 are totally different. Plz read carefully before commenting.
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Nov 20, 2014 10:46am
Pakistan and Russia have decided to improve their multi-dimension tie which is a positive sign for Pakistan to develop and upgrade its military equipment’s. Russian Federation is reasserting its role in its immediate sphere of influence and beyond, and Pakistan is looking for new avenues of opportunities in the face of US/western standoff. Therefore, both have geopolitical and strategic compulsions to improve their relations. Both envisage a role for themselves in achieving peace and stability in Afghanistan and economic cooperation in Central Asia. While Pakistan needs Russian investment for reviving its economy due to dwindling American aid, Russia also eyes Pakistan as a good destination for its investments and trade.
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Nov 20, 2014 10:46am
If Pakistan and India can be brothers again, we can build a four lane all weather road to the Russian heartland and all our economys will just boom.
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Nov 20, 2014 10:48am
@Ishan hahha delusional ibndians
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Nov 20, 2014 10:53am
Tell them to fix the steel mill first.
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Nov 20, 2014 10:55am
@Aman bhai, please come out of competion with India. why we cannot njoy. I wish we (India & Pakistan) could use our brain to milk these so called super powers instead of allowing them to milk us.
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Nov 20, 2014 10:56am
Thankyou India, credit goes to her!
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Nov 20, 2014 11:00am
First need money to buy anything. Its too difficult to buy the advance technological systems even if you have money. Better to strengthen the technological advancements within the country.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:05am
Wait a minute so is Pakistan going to be the new proxy war battleground between US and Russia just like Afghanistan ? This is dangerous for India also.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:07am
Russia’s approval of selling MI-35 helicopters to Pakistan in order to help combat terrorism in the region shows commitment to defeat this scourge and make Pakistan a peaceful country. Earlier in 2013, Russian President Vladimir Putin had also condemned the Quetta terrorist attack as a criminal and barbaric act that was aimed at destabilizing the situation in Pakistan.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:14am
But will the Russians give free stuff? I don't think so.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:18am
@usman haider How come Pakistan jn this group I wonder. This week only gen raheel visited us n sought funds while complaining about loc issues....
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Nov 20, 2014 11:19am
@Ahsen. Russian weapon's are no way inferior. They definitely match the american and European standards and in some cases, better. Chinese equipment is junk which even Chinese military won't buy. Even now, the Chinese jets have Russian engines.
More importantly, Pakistan doesn't need top of line aircraft as its nuke deterrance exist. But the military copters will help Pakistan in the fight against militancy in KP.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:23am
But CIA agents in Pakistani Government shall produce hurdles for this kind of opportunities so that we remain subdued to their dollar master USA. Thorough scruitiny of statements and even gesters should be done whoever will be involved from Pakistani side in dealing with Russian Defence minister.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:28am
Pakistan is very much known for its hospitality among the international community. It has always been enthusiastic in welcoming the other members to its own soil. Russia have been observed as a friendly country towards Pakistan. The upcoming visit of defense minister shows that Pakistan is again on its way of extending and strengthening its bilateral relations with other countries. Its a one to one relationship and must be influenced by the activities of India or USA.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:29am
This must be already discussed with India. This is a good news for India. Russia will stop the spares add supplies during the war since Indo-Russia defence pact is still in place.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:29am
Everyone wants Americans to stay put in Afghanistan!!!
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Nov 20, 2014 11:30am
@Zak Indian economy - science n technology, business n agro community - will take care of India. To guide India now there is a strong n honest govt in place - that's enough for India.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:33am
We welcome Russian defense minister
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Nov 20, 2014 11:38am
Russia has no friends left in the world today. China and Pakistan can dictate their terms before embracing Russia.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:39am
@Imran Sorry pal you got disturbed. Don't put too much pressure on Modi, as a PM he is quite new in the league. Putin is a very seasoned politician & a tough guy to handle.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:40am
@striver Very good point. World order is changing.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:44am
One wonders how Pakistan can purchase russian made military hardware given its fragile financial status.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:47am
@Indian Christian Day dreaming!
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Nov 20, 2014 11:49am
@Noora Its more than weapons, keep guessing.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:53am
@Zak Great!
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Nov 20, 2014 11:54am
after reading all comments its seem There are only Indians who are running world ,, rest of the world does not have any wisdom and strategies to move on .. What Modi Will say to Putin , how modi will handle Pakistan , How modi is treating USA and how Modi leave china behind thats What I came to know after reading comments :) now Every Please be serious .. its not joke what I wrote
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Nov 20, 2014 11:56am
@TooTrue I too wonder why india committed such mistake
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Nov 20, 2014 11:56am
@Khal Nigrahanay Your nation feels very proud about already purchased purana saman, scratch label on agni missile to reveal the words "made in russia"
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Nov 20, 2014 11:58am
@norji Russia don't boost of having a cricket team, this is the only case of isolation where you may be right
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Nov 20, 2014 12:00pm
@True Fact - 1000 points to you my friend
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Nov 20, 2014 12:00pm
Better late then never. Putin cancelled Pakistan visit on last day in October 2013. Sushma Swaraj, indian FM told Russian diplomats in July that India wouldn't be pleased to see its defence cooperation with Pakistan. Seems Russians finally want to think differently...high time to redefine an unfortunate tale of ego bitten and misunderstood relationship over the last 50 years...
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Nov 20, 2014 12:08pm
@Kashmiri ...... Perfectly said......... all other debate becomes useless..
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Nov 20, 2014 12:16pm
@Ishan really? That's a great dream , doesn't look like India Will become a super power in the 21st century. Population doesn't make country a super power. Dream on.............
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Nov 20, 2014 12:20pm
Russia , China and Pakistan defense cooperation and Military Pact would be the Imperishable security guarantee for the region.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:21pm
@Aman Mr Aman actually we are enjoying the feelings of Pakistani brothers because whenever a single dignitary from any country arrived in Pakistan they think all the problems will be going to solved by the visitor. Mostly Armaments you can see no body asked for Tech, University Research facilities, they are for MIGs, T series Tanks, Frigate etc.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:23pm
Reading the comments from Indian and Pakistani - it reflects the atrocity committed by Iranian (Mughals) and Britishers by colonizing them for almost 2000 years. Once born a slave always be a slave. Shoudher can only think Shoudher - Oh my friend is Russia oh but I will spoil your friendship because Iil tell Mr. Russia please don't talk to him - what a nonsense!
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Nov 20, 2014 12:27pm
Yes, India does not buy as much from the Russians now as we did in the past, but even now, what we buy will be far more than what Pakistan can pay for. So Putin will be quietly told to back off on any arms sales to Pakistan next month when he comes visiting and that will be it. No need for Pakistan to get too excited!!
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Nov 20, 2014 12:37pm
The last line in this report let the cat out of the bag.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:49pm
Pakistan is going through a rough patch and once we are done with that , we will only be stronger . There is no such thing as mistake if you learn from it. Military of Pakistan always learn and get stronger.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:50pm
Good news! We must have good relationship with our close neighbors!
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Nov 20, 2014 12:59pm
Yes we should abandon china and US and just move towards Russia. Higher then any mountain bla bla
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Nov 20, 2014 01:07pm
Looks like a major shift in Russian policy, but not a bad move indeed. Yes, it is wise to form a parallel group which will be good for the entire world. After the disintergration of USSR, the US has taken undue advantage and playing the cop of the world, with UN under its total influence.
China, along with Russia could play a vital role in balancing overall world politics and Pakistan could play an important part as well.
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Nov 20, 2014 01:17pm
Sir,
The regional game is changing and Pakistan is emerging as one of most important regional player.
While Indian leadership lacks credibility whereas Pakistan has always proved to be a great ally and trusted friend.
First the new afghan president visited Pakistan and now the Russian defence minister visit is good sign. Surely a few nerves across the border will be juggling!!!
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Nov 20, 2014 01:33pm
This is just to increase defense sales to India, Russians are indicating they have other options open if India refuses.
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Nov 20, 2014 01:36pm
@Rishi
Pardon me but your commentary is immature and childish. These are international relations; rules of politics are governed by the strategy to neutralize one's opponent by any means necessary. This isn't a star plus drama episode. You don't blindly trust another country, but forge ties that mutually benefit both parties. Your statement revolving around money is over simplistic and naive at most.
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Nov 20, 2014 01:48pm
Accept Russian help and buy equipments from them and see what USA will do with you... Actually USA has to just stop the aid which Pakistan is enjoying for long time :-).USA has enough money and they can give some USD and arms to Pakistan for free of cost but that is not case with Pakistan. Just think if USA stops aid to Pakistan :-).Russia can sell weapons to Pakistan but you know what? We are developing weapons fighter planes and super sonic missiles with them. So Pakistan will get from Russia only what India used to get many years back. Russia will not sell any technology to Pakistan and will not think to loose their biggest arms buyer India. But I just imagine how Pakistan will buy these helicopters? Will it ask USA to give money to buy some Russian arms :-)))
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Nov 20, 2014 02:01pm
@striver .. lol, without US funds Pak won't be able to purchase anything..
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Nov 20, 2014 02:01pm
@Loyal to Jinnah Come on ..it was a light attempt to show why the deals can't move forward. Russia will ask for hard cash at a time it is facing international sanctions. and you will pay them what USA gave as aid? That just won't happen. Russia is just putting pressure on India ahead of Putin's visit to New Delhi so that India buys Russian arms, the sales to Pakistan will never happen.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:03pm
@loki how fickle is the fickle mind, whose loyalties turn in a fickle moment. So what are you doing with all your junk purchased from Russia, including the Mars probe?
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Nov 20, 2014 02:07pm
@raghu India is broke, it still has not paid for the Russian junk aircraft carrier, Russia got rid off to India at exorbitant price. Now to teach indians how not to sink it before turning the ' on' switch.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:10pm
@Rishi
“America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests” - Henry Kissinger.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:10pm
@yazir but China won't sell, as India has to borrow from world bank to pay. And China lends to world bank. They don't want their money back.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:13pm
@Hyder Good analysis ?I doubt...Pakistanis a ttrusted partner? Like USA gave so much money and you used money and arms against them only. Can Pakistan affords loosing USA and its aid? Russia can afford loosing a friend like India at least at this stage when whole world is against them and India stands by? Russia already selling arms to China which China copy label China and sell to Pakistan, so logic says that better to sell directly to Pakistan :-).selling to China or Pakistan doesn't make any difference but you will never get technology, just checking chill and read where indo Russian relations are heading tw.
We will be buying their equipment but also develop advanced weapons in joint venture also. Brahamos super sonic missiles is just an example.but your copy cat friend China proved this time they are thief also as they stole this technology and label Chinese. Soon it will come to you guys also, but always remember it is made by Indo Russia :-)
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Nov 20, 2014 02:13pm
@Haridas ...YAWN, ....if you say so! Now what's on Tv.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:18pm
@Sohan US aid is for arms trade. To fight Taliban. US aid is $5bn over 5 years. Pakistan make that up by increasing its textile exports to Russia and perhaps selling arms to Rebel groups around the east side. No problem.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:20pm
@usman haider why always add Pakistan everwhere? Just because Pakistani wantsto enter wwherever they feel they will get something? Hahah nobody wants u dear.. Try to understand and accept it. This is fact.
And free suggestion to you and your leaders, not to loose America else you loose your bread and butter also. China Russia or any other country will not give you even single penny which Pakistan is always looking for. India is growing power and second biggest market ,nobody will afford to loose it whearase Pakistan is the biggest begger which keep looking for ppl who can exploit it and in return throw some dolars. Doubt people would like to keep such country as Allie.. Anyway you keep dreaming.. Nothing wrong in it.. This is the only thing left with Pakistani ppl.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:24pm
@Rishi Russia Ok Let us check how much we give to India in 60,70,80 and early 90's when they don't have money and we took wheats as a payment for weapons which poor india buy
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Nov 20, 2014 02:33pm
He is coming to personally warn Gen Raheel about "not messing abound in Afghanistan" or else....
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Nov 20, 2014 02:38pm
Welcome to Pakistan and together (China, Pakistan and Russia) will develop. Pakistan offer you trade routes to warm waters and in return we want Russian technology in Space, Steel, shipping, textile, chemicals, pharmaceutical, joint research teams etc etc.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:46pm
This is all political posturing and a signal to India before President Putin's Delhi visit. Being the biggest buyer of Defense equipment from Russia, India has diversified its purchases which is hurting Russia financially. The Russians also want to disrupt the Pakistan/America relationship since purchase of Russian equipment may eventually lead to the Americans withholding defense cooperation and Aid to Pakistan. How this gambit plays out is anybody's guess. For sure Santa Claus is not visiting.
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Nov 20, 2014 03:07pm
Right step in right direction, Pakistan and Russia should bury their past, look forward for better tomorrow , Russians can equip us with modern technology , Russians are more loyal than U.S , America is our faceless enemy and time tested failed friend. After the successful relationship between Pakistan and China , it is inevitable to reject option of Russian cooperation and military help. Unfortunately , Pakistan joined American block , historical mistake of Liaqat Ali KHan , who then realized it was wrong step to join hands of America. If Pakistan had joined Russian block , Arabs of Middle East would have sovereign and dominant in the region. Good Luck , go ahead and sign for welfare of Pakistan.
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Nov 20, 2014 03:09pm
@Zak do u know where was the first MIG 35 officially displayed to the world...!! it is none other then india...!! esplly in aero india...!!! without knowing exact info don't post or comment abt it..!! russia and india having a strong political as well as strategic affairs in the field of defence and economy esplly innovating new tech to the world by bilateral affairs of tech
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Nov 20, 2014 04:26pm
@True Fact - Well said mate. I am from India and I agree to your comment. The number of experts in India and Pakistan is too damn high ;)
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Nov 20, 2014 06:47pm
@Muhammad Ali Samo
Loyalty applies to dogs, not countries. Countries and their prospects are focussed on their own interests. So, please keep the emotions aside and think reasonably. China, didn't support Pakistan during Kargil conflict. China now seeks alliance with India out of business interests since India is a much larger market. Russia is coming to Pakistan out of business interests. Nothing else.
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Nov 20, 2014 06:48pm
@Rishi This is called Politics and the treaties or agreements or new ties and alliances are made on the basis of new and upcoming events which will influence the geopolitical environment of the region not on the fact that as we were rivals in the past so we ought to be the same forever.
USA is starting 2nd cold war against China, China at present has the support of Russia in this scenario against USA but here is another issue, China is spreading its legs far north east area crossing Mongolia the region once controlled by USSR, China is replacing the already living population mostly Russians with its Hun population and that will in future will become an issue between Russia & China and you will see USA will try to avail this opportunity by making alliance with Russia the former enemy of USA against China.
So these are the things which influence the strategies and politics between or among countries. The countries which once were rivals become friend or vice versa. who knows there might come a time when Pakistan and India will make a strong alliance against the one who is menacing to their mutual interests.
Recent visit of Russian defense minister to Pakistan is an attempt to counter the recent US-India ties. So this happens all the time world history is filled with such kind of sudden political moves.
Most important of all read the headline it says he is coming to sale military weapons not coming to give Pakistan any kind of aid or dollars instead he is on marketing job taking Pakistan as its future costumer. So keep your analysis out of conventional and biased thinking against Pakistan and observe the things how they work.
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Nov 20, 2014 09:23pm
According to Indian logic everything that happens in India is good and everything that happens in Pakistan is bad. SMH.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:38pm
To my Pakistani friends: "Your problems will not go away through partnership with China or Russia or whoever. Yours is a problem of education, economics, and law-order. Empower a secular constitution and give equal rights to all your citizens. Focus on teaching science and mathematics to your children. Above all build a judicial and a democratic system that enforces the law of the land above religion and ethnicity."
That's where your salvation lies. By all means pursue your partnerships with China or Russia (whoever gives you peace of mind against India) but keep a relentless focus on building a secular democratic country.
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Nov 21, 2014 08:57am
@Sohan to break your self blown bubble, India is only the 4th largest economy in Asia, not the world and is ALSO the most indebted country in the WORLD. Don't lie on this forum, this is for intelligent knowledgable Pakistani's , your lot are lowering the level of this esteemed forum. Come to learn not to blabb.
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Nov 21, 2014 09:05am
@Ikram Pakistan being cozy with both US and RUssia.
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Nov 21, 2014 09:05am
@Ikram Pakistan being cozy with both US and RUssia.
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Nov 21, 2014 10:23am
Good decision by Russia to sell arms to Pakistan. The outdated and vulnerable equipment which was rejected by India, Taiwan and Syria will sell like hot cakes in Pakistan.
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Nov 21, 2014 12:51pm
@Harsh your remarks are as childish as they come!
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Nov 21, 2014 03:19pm
@usman haider how childish calculation?
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Nov 21, 2014 04:47pm
@Indian Christian
" Putin's next visit to India, Russia - Pakistan Relations will come to an end. Modi know better how to deal with people than any of Pakistani ministers. Its just a matter of time."
The world doesn't work on your fantasies.
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Nov 22, 2014 05:50am
Russia has a need to sell it's junk and has found a buyer.
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Nov 22, 2014 05:53am
@Zak
psychosis anybody.
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Nov 22, 2014 05:55am
@Zak
you make me laugh . love your comments they are so absurd that it is a comedy of errors. keep it up.
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Nov 22, 2014 08:51am
@Zak Ja Zak mar abb.
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Nov 22, 2014 01:31pm
@Akashvani Well said
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Nov 22, 2014 05:05pm
Friendship with mighty results in getting dumped sooner or later. So, both India and Pakistan ought to think for their own good; and not join the band wagon of military mights who might be looking for an opportunity to start another conflict for gain or runaway after an adventure leaving more problems behind in the region! Think before act!
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Nov 22, 2014 08:55pm
@Calcutta Man. Just like India being only country in the whole world supported Russian invasion of Afghanistan then! What a sad decision? Now why are you against of supporting an invasion, be that of Ukraine or Afghanistan where common denominator was or is Russia! Why you are naming Pakistan. Suggest read history before your opinion(s).
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Nov 22, 2014 09:13pm
CONGRACHULATION Pakistan. You got a good friend. Russians are friend in need. They will definitely come to your rescue when you are in problem . We Indian can not forget their tremendous support during the dark hours of 1971 Indo-Pak war. Unfortunately Russia is not able to meet the growing requirement of sophisticated military equipments to defend our selves
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