ISLAMABAD: While strongly rejecting Indian allegations of ceasefire violations, Pakistan on Saturday suggested India to hold an urgent meeting of the two countries' Director General Military Operations (DGMOs) in order to discuss the situation and halt firing along the working boundary and the Line of Control (LoC).

Earlier today, firing by Indian Border Security Forces (BSF) personnel along the working boundary killed at least two people, including a woman, and injured four others in Sialkot.

In Charwa and Chaparral sectors of Sialkot, heavy weapons and mortar shells were fired early in the morning. Chenab Rangers retaliated and the exchange of fire continued till 7am.

Official sources said unprovoked firing by Indian troops on the working boundary near Sialkot has been continuing for the past many weeks.

"Today (Saturday) again, Indian BSF personnel resorted to unprovoked firing in Chaparral and Harpal sectors on the working boundary near Sialkot which resulted in the death of two civilians, a woman and a 60-year-old-man," a Pakistani military official said.

“Intermittent exchange of fire is still continuing at this moment,” the official said.

A woman named Nazia was killed while her two daughters were severely injured in the attack. Several houses were also damaged and a number of livestock were killed.

Ceasefire violations along the Line of Control (LoC) and working boundary between Pakistan and India continue intermittently, with casualties reported on both sides.

"DGMOs of both countries should meet immediately discuss ways and means to stop the current spate of firing along the working boundary and Pakistan is also sending a proposal to India for the meeting,” Adviser on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz told Dawn.

Expressing concern over what he called unprovoked Indian firing by BSF personnel, Aziz said the issue was affecting bilateral ties and peace in the region.

Rejecting Indian allegations of sending militants via the tunnel operating from the Pakistani side, Aziz said if India has any evidence, it should share that with Pakistan as indulging in blame games wouldn’t help.

Aziz recalled that the last meeting of DGMOs between the two countries helped in normalising the situation along the LoC and the working boundary and would be helpful again.


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Ahsen
Aug 23, 2014 09:26am

The Indian soldiers should be stripped from their ranks and should have a court martial . Killing Innocent civilians is not legal in any culture ....

Imran
Aug 23, 2014 09:34am

the casualities from Indian side...

baakhlaq
Aug 23, 2014 09:35am

Our internal strife is encouraging those who are hostile to us.

Oversee
Aug 23, 2014 09:49am

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-ceasefire-violation-pakistan-troops-targets-22-bsf-posts-2-killed-5-injured-2012998

We all driven by media no idea what happening. But what ever is happening is bad for both of the countries.

Ameena
Aug 23, 2014 09:52am

It is so difficult to understand what is happening in reality. Both sides are reporting causalities.

Beena Siddiqui
Aug 23, 2014 10:02am

So, where is AMAN KI AASHA and the orchestra managers ?

Moiz Omar
Aug 23, 2014 10:10am

Why don't both sides set up cameras on the border? This way we could really know who shot first and maybe prevent this problem in the future!

sky
Aug 23, 2014 10:15am

Pakistan soon become kamrastan

Sachin Dhawan
Aug 23, 2014 10:18am

Same news is being reported at Indian Media that our 2 citizens were killed. what is this happening?

Zackariya
Aug 23, 2014 10:29am

The best solution to these cease-fire violations would be to strip both border control forces of their weapons along the LOC and let them 'kushti' it out. These violations have taken a dreadful toll on diplomacy and peace while the leaders continue to refuse to confront this issue in a matured and classical manner. What a shame!

Ram Kurees
Aug 23, 2014 10:40am

Mention of times of india report is good example.

syed
Aug 23, 2014 10:44am

Country is facing danger from its neighbours and our socalled leaders are fighting for their share.

Sajjad Khan
Aug 23, 2014 10:52am

India is losing those who view it as a brother nation. They cannot blame Pakistan all the time for everything.

Joker
Aug 23, 2014 11:18am

@Moiz Omar Both sides will fire at the camera first.

Devil
Aug 23, 2014 11:27am

Same story both the sides !!

An easy route for the rulers of both the countries to divert the attention of citizens from internal issues !!

We will keep fighting for ever ... no aman ... no asha .... and no eradication of poverty from South Asia .... Kudos !!

Rajab Ali
Aug 23, 2014 11:28am

Is this a message to anti-Sharif forces at the behest of Americans!

kashmere
Aug 23, 2014 11:31am

Use your logic and India has nothing to gain by firing except maybe distract the army from targeting our man on the inside Mian Nawaz Sharif , while pakistan considers kashmir as disputed territory and wants to keep the pot boiling.

Sarkar
Aug 23, 2014 11:50am

This enmity, drains a huge amount of GDP for both the sides, is a big burden for either country. Our economy will never be strong until we maintain a minimum healthy relationship. I do not thing we normal citizens of both sides, want this to happen. So lets exerciser our democratic rights and vote for the party of person who promotes peace rather than hatred.

Joker
Aug 23, 2014 11:59am

First free Pakistan from the mullah's clutches. Most of the problems will be solved.

vinay singh
Aug 23, 2014 12:01pm

As an Indian I really feel sorry for the loss of life in the Pakistani side there should be proper inquiry no body should be allowed to fire indiscriminately on civilian areas it's really sad that nationalism makes us blind towards the loss of life on the other side we have killed a woman and injured her daughter feeling ashamed and no Indian media outlets blinded by nationalism will flash this news shame on us

Shah
Aug 23, 2014 12:05pm

Killing unarmed civilians is just EVIL While Indians fire at will, Pakistani forces must show restraint so they do not hurt civilian Muslims on the other side. This is how occupation forces behave.

kashmere
Aug 23, 2014 12:09pm

@Sajjad Khan Maybe minority Hindus view India that way , but it does not matter to India if they change their views and they don't matter even in Pakistan.

mohammadnoonnanna
Aug 23, 2014 12:29pm

I am sure Pakistani press carries the stories to the journalistic standard whereas, the Indian journalists try to overplay the things by adding spicy stories of how much violations from across the border have taken place during the week, past 3/4 days or fortnight etc. Take a cursory look at today's Indian newspaper, those are full of cross border violation allegations beside discovery of a 50 meter deep into Indian soil TUNNEL, which is 7-8 ft deep and 2-5 meter wide. It appears that the BSF or Indian army was sleeping while the tunnel was dug and now suddenly they came to know about it/

Rehan
Aug 23, 2014 12:42pm

@syed : Your country is facing danger from its own leaders and military friend, don't be worried about any incursion from Indian side. Read history of the wars we fought, why that started how they ended.

Nitin
Aug 23, 2014 01:03pm

@Sajjad Khan these romantic theories of 'brother nation' do not work in India. India has a long standing policy of putting its interests forth in foreign relations and that is exactly how it deals even with the u.s. If u meant neighbouring countries, India is actively involved in mending ties and lending a helping hand although pakistan is a different case.

Akram
Aug 23, 2014 01:38pm

What is to be gained by such border firing incidents? Nothing at all. It's so easy to control, just ban ALL firing on border areas.

Human
Aug 23, 2014 01:41pm

India has nothing to gain from shooting across the border , but certainly Pak military will gain a lot from diverting the attention of people away from the hot political climate in Islamabad .

TRVERMA
Aug 23, 2014 01:56pm

@Moiz Omar , well said man . this is need of the hour as both the sides claiming that firing is coming from other side . But again the problem is politician and army men from either side don't want truth to come out as it is their bread and butter.

Aslam
Aug 23, 2014 02:13pm

@Sajjad Khan .... We know...the sporadic terrorist attacks are the manifestations of that brotherly love....

Niroj
Aug 23, 2014 02:13pm

We do read the same stuff that firing has started from Pakistan Rangers. The political and military masses from both the sides has to come together. How does this intermittent firing really help expect helping some vested interest who wants to grab power by showing the other side's aggression. I am a common-man and have many friends in Pakistan. I want to ask all of you who is getting benefit out of it? Certainly not you and me.....................

Iqbal Hadi Zaidi
Aug 23, 2014 02:26pm

Time and again it is read that Indians fired at us killing and injuring some but I doubt if we have ever fired alike on Indians. How Pakistanis have been killed and injured during last 5 years and how many Indians were killed and injured by us during the same period? Such like statistics will prove who is the killer? Iqbal Hadi Zaidi / Former Diplomat / Kuwait / Mobile 00965-66229897 / zaidiformerdiplomat@hotmail.com

Amit
Aug 23, 2014 03:00pm

Let me also congratulate Dawn for reporting Indian version as well.

aam aadmiA
Aug 23, 2014 03:32pm

@Beena Siddiqui ,,,,,,,,,,,aman ki asha mar gayee!!!

aam aadmiA
Aug 23, 2014 03:36pm

if at all anybody wants to learn lie go to Pakistan lielpur university is biggest lie .

Abraham
Aug 23, 2014 03:46pm

For India, Pakistan is not a threat at all. Its China. Indians dont profit in cross border firing, but Pakistan does because they manage to push the Militants into India. Now its a known fact that Pakistan wants Kashmir and it will do anything to get it.

Akram
Aug 23, 2014 03:47pm

Indians and Pakistanis need to make a united front called "Citizens Against Border Firing". make a pressure group and demonstrate actively at Wagah / Attari. Raise awareness this way. It will eventually have an impact. Poor people working on land near the border have no option to leave the area because their livelihood depends on it.

Ehsan
Aug 23, 2014 03:47pm

@Joker your name says it all ;-)

proudindian
Aug 23, 2014 03:50pm

Pakistan always does it to divert common mass attention from the internal problem

Abraham
Aug 23, 2014 03:51pm

Pakistan will do anything to get Kashmir.

Shyam
Aug 23, 2014 03:59pm

@Moiz Omar

Was watching a documentary on Discovery channel the other day on 'L.O.C'. They were saying cameras are used to check infiltration.

No matter how many cameras are installed finally each country will provide its own version.

Just can't stop thinking about all the suffering people undergo around the l.o.c.

Kamath
Aug 23, 2014 04:06pm

@syed Who are these hostile neighbours? Why shouldn't Pakistan pursue peace with them.

Ali
Aug 23, 2014 04:07pm

Let's look on the facts. Pakistan has internal political problems, India is a working democracy. Pakistan's military needs to define its position, India's military is under the control of the Parliament. Pakistan's economy is down, India's economy is growing. Now who has better reasons, to disturb any peace process?

Hussain
Aug 23, 2014 04:32pm

Modi came to rescue his friend ... Saarrii ka kamaal .

Joker
Aug 23, 2014 04:39pm

@ahm I think so because, people have their brains to think and decide what is right or wrong. Bad elements brain wash people for their own interests.

If you noticed recently, the Gaza and ISIS related demonstrations were nothing but hypocrisy. People don't just walk on the street and pelt stones or burn flags.

It is all a political game and we as common people can only do so much .. that is .. think for ourself.

Vincent
Aug 23, 2014 04:50pm

I am from India , and quite pleased to see more sensible comments here.. We don't know who is firing first , but as a Indian .. I don't know what benefit will India get by firing as currently the Govt is in a majority and already taken a hard stand vis Pakistan policies etc and does not need a India-pak conflict on the border to divert attention from local issues. May be You guys would know if there is a good reason for Pakistan to divert attention from instability in Islamabad ?

Chetan
Aug 23, 2014 04:57pm

It almost seems like a staged drama. Indian channels report 2 causalities on the Indian side. They even say that Pakistan started "unprovoked firing". This is exactly what Pakistan is saying for India. And this happens all the time. Don't know whom to trust.

Ragu
Aug 23, 2014 05:06pm

The two nations fight and the western nations sell arms to both of us; why not India and Pakistan learn to live in peace; we both have massive poverty to deal with. Sickening to see how much money is wasted on Guns and Killing machines on both sides of the border, with so many other problems related to education, health care, roads, water , electricity and corruption, remain unsolved.

kashmiri pandit
Aug 23, 2014 05:18pm

a 50 meter long tunnel was found running across border in Pallanwala sector near Akhnoor in Jammu & Kashmir according to indian sources, something big is cooking i can smell it

Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad
Aug 23, 2014 05:25pm

DGMOs meeting will be another attempt in futile because Modi and party is full determined to annex Jammu and Kashmir once again and include it in the so-called "Union" of India. Therefore, they are deliberately trying to destabilize the peace efforts and knowingly instigating the situation on both sides of the border. The current intensity and the open violation of the cease-fire line by India between the two countries is just the beginning of an end game which has no end actually.

Shaer khan
Aug 23, 2014 05:27pm

Modi out to help his friend Shareef. Wants Army to pay attention to the border instead of IslamAbad. Shareef wants people to forget Islamabad to save his government. To Save His Government Nawaz can go very low

ani
Aug 23, 2014 05:46pm

Many 'ceasefire violations' have been reported in the past few months..while India claims Pak troops started 'unprovoked firing', Pak says Indian troops did it.. I suspect one of the sides start it either due to misunderstanding or perceived injustice or on an overzealous macho commander's orders...the other side retaliates and starts it a few days later in some other sector so that it does not look as a weak target...then this cycle goes on ad nauseum until both sides have suffered enough civilian and military casualties , after which there will be a 'flag meeting' and peace returns for some time, only for the cycle to repeat again.. People have made entire careers out of misunderstanding between the two countries...why would they want peace?they'll continue to fan the flames until we realize what a waste of resources war is..

stranger
Aug 23, 2014 05:53pm

Difficult to take both Indian and Pakistani claims seriously. Just stop this killing, both sides.

Roger
Aug 23, 2014 06:19pm

Why is it that we hear of ceasefire violations from both sides of the border and there is no way of verifying 'who' initiates the violations and why? This has been going on for years! What does either party stand to gain? (DAWN, should perhaps do an analysis and investigative reporting - beyond "he said-so, she said").

In India, the reason that we often hear from the Media or Government/Army spokespersons is that the Pakistanis fire across the border to provide cover for terrorists and infiltrators wanting to cross into India.

What do Pakistanis hear from their Media and Govt./Army spokespersons, as being reasons for India violating the ceasefire?

Of course, violations may also occur because each side wants to evaluate the readiness of the other side at various points along the border.

oBSERVER
Aug 23, 2014 06:24pm

This will stop once Nawaz goes.This was part of the agenda during his visit on Modi installation.

pmrao
Aug 23, 2014 06:49pm

if you read indian reports exactly same things except that Pakistan replaces india are being reported. ofcourse we Indians are not in any doubt as who is right

pmrao
Aug 23, 2014 06:52pm

@Zackariya india got more medals in khushti in all the games.so lets start it

pmrao
Aug 23, 2014 06:56pm

@Joker first pak army should be brought under civilian rule then the problems can be solved.

Dhananjay
Aug 23, 2014 07:05pm

@Sajjad Khan tit for tat.

omer khan shaheen
Aug 23, 2014 07:07pm

What a surprise!

Prasoon
Aug 23, 2014 07:20pm

@mohammadnoonnanna The border is not like backyard of some ones house. Its geographically vast. And finding out such tunnels specially under cover of shells can be difficult.

Prasoon
Aug 23, 2014 07:22pm

@ani Its for a reason ani! To provide cover to infiltrants. And in some days you might here news of terrorist attacks in kashmir and may be other part of India too.

Vikram Thakkar
Aug 23, 2014 07:47pm

@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad we would appreciate a more responsible statement from a well read person like you on a public forum. You would agree that the common man either from India or Pakistan does not want a war. Destabilizing each other will only lead to chaos.

Udaya Bose
Aug 23, 2014 08:06pm

@Zackariya How about playing kabaddi.

Udaya Bose
Aug 23, 2014 08:07pm

@Sajjad Khan "India is losing those who view it as a brother nation." That's news.

Taimoor Khan
Aug 23, 2014 08:14pm

It is quite obvious that India wants to either take advantage of this current political situation in Pakistan or sending a message to Pakistan armed forces to refrain from toppling the Nawaz government. If the later is true, then it is really a critical and very dangerous situation for Pakistan.

Dip
Aug 23, 2014 08:23pm

Somebody is lying to their people. Indian papers report that it was the Pak side that started the shooting. Who can one believe? Go by track record.

Talha
Aug 23, 2014 08:24pm

@Ram Kurees indeed. Indian media would never quote Pakistani news papers.

Talha
Aug 23, 2014 08:26pm

The game is to harass the locals so they move to other locations. Solution is to retaliate with accuracy and hit where hurts. Only then Benya gets it.

Prakash
Aug 23, 2014 08:28pm

Press Advisor should point out to Mr Sartaj Aziz that evidence and picture of tunnel from Pakistani side has prominently been published in the India media, so instead of living in denial,he should show the guts to inquire from his army.

ambijat
Aug 23, 2014 08:36pm

A full high power joint commission be set up for monitoring the 2 kms of buffer zone along the border headed by DGMOs of both countries, and there must be regular sanitization of border areas on the following issues:

1) illigal tresspass 2) landmines 3) cross-border firing

If this can be done, something concrete could be achieved.

Acer
Aug 23, 2014 08:43pm

Where is Ravi Dallas tx? I don't see a comment from him. Why is he quiet?

G
Aug 23, 2014 08:55pm

Though both sides report the other side to start an "unprovoked" firing, I truly believe that the firing has been started by Pak to divert attention from internal issues. All countries resort to these ploys during internal disturbance.

Once the situation escalates, nationalism will be invoked, Pak will increase its rhetoric and cite national security and that will be sufficient to divert public's attention from the current agitation thereby fizzing it out.

Ahmer
Aug 23, 2014 09:13pm

Sartaj Aziz should not have made this suggestion openly. It shows we are afraid of Indians. Sialkot is not a disputed territory whereas Jammu is. Therefore firing in Sialkot is a war crime and we should take it up with the Security Council and International Court of Justice.

Aimer
Aug 23, 2014 09:27pm

@Ahsen Are you serious??? i guess you didn't read 2 Indian casualities.

Satheesh
Aug 23, 2014 09:43pm

@Shah what about civilian Hindus or Sikhs .. Can they be targeted ? If you had said Civilians, I would have agreed, both from Indian side and Pakistani side. Such religious parochial thinking on protecting only Muslims has what has caused all these problems.

A shah
Aug 23, 2014 09:52pm

@Ahsen yep but pakistani soldiers first as it's us who instigate this. It is in our interest to keep the loc active and keep Kashmir in the news.

Ajay Vikram Singh
Aug 23, 2014 09:54pm

@Talha - Only 15% of Indians are Baniyas. There are many "Singhs", Rajputs and Marathas too. Then there are millions of very patriotic "khans" of India.

Watch your words and actions, and be sensible. Or this delusion of martial races will go out of the window in a month's time max.

dinesh
Aug 23, 2014 10:04pm

oh chori , phir sina jori

Manzoor
Aug 23, 2014 10:22pm

Hey friends..hot Idea.. Im going to create a group named 'Citizens Against Border Firing" as 'AKRam' suggested.where the Indo -Pak common men join together.Plz reply or recommend this if you support

Ahmer
Aug 24, 2014 12:09am

The action of BSF is a war crime since they have fired in an undisputed area. We should file a suit against it in International Court of Justice. It will at least frighten them and make them hesitate from doing it again.

Taimoor Khan
Aug 24, 2014 01:22am

Nawaz is clearing getting "support" from across the border.

raj
Aug 24, 2014 04:58am

Pakistan has multiple problem but rather solving it , he is starting tension on border and finaly NDA government would be pressurized for taking strong action unprovoked firing .

Dev Kulkarni
Aug 24, 2014 11:45am

This story is reported in India exactly opposite way. So frankly we can't understand the complexities of borders and should avoid forming any opinions. Though there are many videos and people describing and showing mortar shells fired from across the border.

Being Human
Aug 24, 2014 08:48pm

@Ali , you have nailed it bro. Kudos!

someone
Aug 25, 2014 07:06am

I think NS opened his cards too soon. Just one year in power and he started to become too cozy with India for Pakistani army's comfort. Also, he wanted to have his own foreign policy which always has been Army's forte. There was no issue before NS visit to India. Suddenly after that TUQ and IK woke up from slumber. NS should have understood that people's mandate in Pakistan has little value. The power still revolves around GHQ and politicians can do as much as army allows. NS knows what is hurting Pakistan and he want to correct it but army does not allow the power go out of its clutches. India can't help NS much since it has his own constraints and can't give any discounts on Kashmir. NS has to resolve this power struggle with army on his own. It was a herculean task to lean the mess of previous government but people wanted a magical way to fix it ASAP.

CSA
Aug 25, 2014 08:35am

@Imran on the indian side 2 civilians (both muslim). 1 of them was a 7 year old boy.

Abdul Malik
Aug 25, 2014 12:16pm

@Sajjad Khan Name one ?

Abdul Malik
Aug 25, 2014 12:20pm

@mohammadnoonnanna Keep on thinking your 'good' thoughts. I'm sure your country is progressing so much just because of leading lights like you.

raj
Aug 25, 2014 12:46pm

Indian prime minister focus strengthening of armed force because he know that he could face dangerous threat from his neighbours.

LS
Aug 25, 2014 06:39pm

@Vikram Thakkar Literacy simply exposes a human being to facts of nature, established with experiments. Teaching "Critical Thinking" and being humane is considered waste of time in most of the schools world over. Though west is doing its best in "Critical Thinking" department but being humane is left to the religion... and we all know that they are failing terribly at that.

Shubs
Aug 26, 2014 02:43am

@Talha: Who's Benya?

Shah
Aug 26, 2014 10:19am

I am happy at least the comments are readable and sensible here.

proud indian
Aug 27, 2014 12:46am

@Shah, it only shows how much hatred the citizens and armies of both the countries have developed at each other. Only was out is to ignore those leaders who spread hatred among people.

proud indian
Aug 27, 2014 12:48am

@Ahsen It is not only Pakistan civilians have lost life. Indian civilians have also lost life due to shooting by Pak forces. So even those Pak soldiers should be court martialed.

proud indian
Aug 27, 2014 12:53am

@Roger The need of the hour is not finger pointing. But simply to stop this un-necessary blood shed... what a waste..