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Rohail Hyatt and Jawad Ahmad fight over PM Imran Khan's rape apologist comments

Rohail Hyatt and Jawad Ahmad fight over PM Imran Khan's rape apologist comments

"I just can’t stand hypocrites," Ahmad said as Hyatt insisted the premier's words were taken out of context.
Updated 12 Apr, 2021

Prime Minister Imran Khan's statement concluding that temptation and vulgarity could be blamed for rape has become a national topic for debate and the latest people to get into a fight over his comments are former Vital Signs member Rohail Hyatt and singer Jawad Ahmad.

The mother of the premier's children, Jemima Goldsmith, also weighed in on his words and expressed her disappointment but there were many who rushed to the prime minister's defence, including composer Hyatt, who said that's not what the prime minister meant.

Hyatt announced on social media that he believed people had taken the premier's words out of context, as he defended him against his statements, calling them a check with Pakistan's ground realities.

"I believe Imran Khan's words have been taken out of context and a big ruckus created by the so-called champions of freedom and liberty. He’s clearly condemning rape and giving a message that going out of the boundaries of modesty invites trouble, and who can deny this fact?" he wrote.

The record producer then added that he agreed that there was sickness out there, claiming that as a father, he too would give the same advice to his child to be mindful of how he/she dresses in our society, not because he was putting the blame on the victim, but because he cared about the safety of the person the advice was being given to.

"He’s not saying it's justified! As a leader he’s simply speaking to us about the ground realities of what is around us. Yes indeed there is a sickness out there and one can contest if the better solution is to target the oppressor as opposed to the oppressed," he wrote.

The comments did not sit well with singer Jawad Ahmad, who called him "stupid" for his explanation.

"Why are you talking stupid? Will you tell us which dresses are modest and which are not? Will you get into your child’s wardrobe and point out which dress once worn would keep her safe in the society? What if a dress you choose is still disapproved by majority?" he questioned, telling the composer not to justify rape.

The duo then got into an argument, with the Samjhawan singer concluding that Hyatt's was just juggling words.

"Like I said you are just wasting your time in fallacy of language and jugglery of words. I never judge anyone except the hypocrites. Those I just can’t stand," he said.

The argument then grew heated as Ahmad believed the ex-Coke Studio producer was confusing people who actually needed clarity regarding the situation.

"You are confusing people over a simple thought but serious matter," he said, reminding Hyatt that he shouldn't be justifying rape. "I’m a political person. I want to change this country for the well being of 90% its poor people. It's very important to give them clarity of thought than confusing them," he added.

Eventually, he rested his case by posing the same question towards Prime Minister Imran.

"Which dresses would he like women/girls of Pakistan to wear to look modest enough to minimise the chance of getting raped by men who can not control themselves?" he asked. That's something we would all like to know.

Comments

Haseeb Apr 12, 2021 12:56pm
And yet the real discussion should be about the role media in humanizing women instead of objectifying then as sex symbols. The role of pornography and etc.
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Najam Apr 12, 2021 12:56pm
Thank you jawad for persisting with this. It is a noble thing to do when people like imran khan cannot even grasp the simple fact that they are justifying rape.
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Browngirl Apr 12, 2021 01:03pm
I have to say this, but Rohail Hyatt turned out to be a sham. And, somehow I believed he was a sober, sophisticated person. Shame.
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AH Apr 12, 2021 01:08pm
I would agree with Hyatt that the PM never blamed the victim it's the so called champions of liberty who are misconstruing what he said.
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Ahsan Gul Apr 12, 2021 01:08pm
Let’s not forget that we are living in Pakistan and not in England where there is no shortage of hypocrisy and hypocrites. What PM said is the truth. Our population is not raised on the principles of respecting women. So ladies have to be careful. Don’t we see young men standing in bazaars and under street lights just to pester females? Give a break to PM and let him concentrate on important issues! Sincerely
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Fastrack Apr 12, 2021 01:25pm
Jawad is a politician now, a badly failed one. Rohail Hyatt is a gem and a patriot loved by all.
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Fastrack Apr 12, 2021 01:30pm
Cannot expect a person with low IQ and EQ to understand background of IK's humanistic remarks. Thankfully Rohail is once again on the correct side.
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Fastrack Apr 12, 2021 01:32pm
Imran Khan plus Rohail Hyatt vs Jawad and the confused brigade. Pakistanis choice is clear.
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F Nawaz Apr 12, 2021 01:39pm
I thought he clearly blamed it on the vulgarity on TV and bollywoodisation of society, and it makes sense. How did this become about dressing anyway?
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Pro Democracy Apr 12, 2021 01:40pm
Rohail should only focus music....and avoid showing such stupidity by supporting PMIK loose talk ....
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SAk Apr 12, 2021 01:43pm
I don’t think that Jawad Ahmad is not mindful about his daughter’s wardrobe. Beside that he has a political agenda as well.
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Fastrack Apr 12, 2021 01:47pm
Goodness! The PM never said a woman's dress is what causes rape. He said a CULTURE of rampant nudity and vulgarity, (for which MEN are more responsible than women) results is sexual frustration when the society does not allow open sexual advances, rather only accepts the path prescribed by religion and culture.
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Ali Zain Apr 12, 2021 02:03pm
Imran khan is a not more then a retired cricketer with no homework at all. Neither the imran nor the jawad have patience which is one of the characteristic of rapist. Now the question is how different we behave, which side we chose and how to educate our society. In my opinion imran and jawad contributions are all because of their fame not the result of their intellect. And the change comes with fame is not always long lasting.
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kamran Khan Apr 12, 2021 02:12pm
revealing clothes are worn to look attractive, so they do get attracted by all sorts, Enjoy..
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Salman Apr 12, 2021 02:32pm
@Pro Democracy so as jawad ahmed
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ahsan Apr 12, 2021 02:36pm
@ Jawad. You nailed it. Spot on. ....In a country where walls are filled with advertisements of male impotency cures, men are so flooded with testosterones that they may not have the will power to stop themselves raping some immodestly clad female ( of any age bracket). That EXACTLY was the message given by our PM. In Kabul during Taliban takeover, men used to sit with their backs to the blowing wing so they could see the all enveloping burqas cling to bodies of women walking against the wind. Vulgar wind
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Nawaz Apr 12, 2021 02:44pm
Jawad is complaining about Rohail not giving him a chance in the coke studio. Jawad is just a hopeless lad like his tanga party. He shouldn't participate in an educated debate.
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Woman Apr 12, 2021 03:07pm
People like Rohail Hayat (who influence a large number of people) should talk sense or they should not say anything at all. Sad to see such a biased opinion coming from a person I have liked since my childhood.
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Sarfraz Apr 12, 2021 03:15pm
Fighting for what? Everyone has his/her opinion. PM has his own viewpoint. How many would put their foot in his shoe and judge what he said?
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JJ Apr 12, 2021 03:25pm
The spin doctors at full force. IK's statement was only about highly sexualized/pornographic nature ofmedia. It was in no way about the dress or victim-blaming.
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ali Apr 12, 2021 03:30pm
why his statement is stick to the women dressing only. Obscenity is not only short dresses but vulgur content on internet, tv or any other media is responsible for the increased rape cases. Definitely there is no excuse for the rape but things should be in control when everyone in the process act accordingly. Proper judicial system should be there too so that rapist must know the consequenses. In short I support PM narrative.
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Khwaja Shirjeel Apr 12, 2021 03:53pm
No one is justifying rape, Khan is absolutely right, he did not justify rape, it is simple opposition since Jawad failed miserably but inside he knows which dress is modest and which one is not, if he doesn't then no point arguing with him.
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Toni Apr 12, 2021 03:59pm
"Which dresses would he like women/girls of Pakistan to wear to look modest " Most stupid and simpleton question ever asked by a so called intelligent person, Jawad you are sensationalising it, instead of getting the message and conveying that RAPE is abhorrent and inhumane vile act.
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Ghaznavi Apr 12, 2021 04:04pm
We must stop looking up to the artists ( a.k.a mirasis in urdu) for approval to our social norms. What advice do you expect from them? Just because they can imitate roles doesn't make them qualified to guide us in such important matters. PM IK is 100 percent right. He never justified rape , in fact he was asking to use common sense. Try waving an apple phone in public, the result will depend by your geographic location. Will you ask a phone snatcher for advice?
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Wahid Baaz Apr 12, 2021 04:06pm
When you have a rare gem, do you protect it from thieves or show it off carelessly...?
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Bay Adab Apr 12, 2021 04:14pm
Rohail is making a lot of sense while Jawad Ahmad is just a politician. From dress code to time and place where one can go, all has its dangers for both boys and girls and one has to be mindful of that for his or her own sake.
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Ijaz Haq Apr 12, 2021 04:16pm
Ruhail your tweets makes sense although I am not following the news about the topic. What in the World this Jawad guy is talking about. CoNfUsEd.
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Jibran Khan Apr 12, 2021 04:22pm
Appreciate both but Jawad seems to be living in a utopian world. He is a politician and should think based kn the ground realities. I don't know what he is trying to prove here. Is he saying men/women should walk naked or in undergarments on the streets if they want? If not the again he is doing the same thing. Taking away the choice. There are boundaries to everything in this universe which gives balance. I agree with both to some extent. h There has to be a middle path. No complete control not complete freedom of choice.
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Asif Apr 12, 2021 04:33pm
@F Nawaz We dont need UK rock and roll, Hollywood and Bollywood to spoil public. We have our own mujras Lollywood and places like heera mandi. Yet we blame others and have this head in sand approach. Its time to shut such local vulgar films and places.
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A.H.Khan Apr 12, 2021 04:47pm
every person has right of opinion. and opinion can change time to time depends on environment. you can't call it hypocrite, it is not something hidden. whatever he said is open to public. and saying that anything is out of context is sort of politics. hyatt is doing politics and jawad is naive. lol.
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Saleem Apr 12, 2021 04:51pm
This is the perfect example of outrage culture. PM has clearly condemned rape! Dressing modestly in a muslim society applies to both men and women. Education is the answer! Being muslim, I would expect my daughter to dress modestly especially in Pakistan to not draw the wrong kind of attention. You wouldnt go near ferocious wild animals with meat hanging from your body would you? Prevention is better than cure.
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Aliea Apr 12, 2021 04:56pm
Who is Jawad Ahmed ??! A time pass musician who is now a struggling politician.
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Hashim Apr 12, 2021 05:04pm
IK was right in saying the vulgarity one of the causes that stimulates someone to the heinous act of rape. People argue about decency and indecency of dress. In fact, Islam has defined what dress falls into category of decency, and anything beyond that is indecent. Rape incidents are more in western society where sex advances are at large in a society. So it is not a matter of unavailability of sex advances in our country. It is mindset that prevails and it can be changed through Islamic education and ethics in schools by qualified instructors.
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sani Apr 12, 2021 05:19pm
Rohail makes sense and any sane person can benchmark the level of decency between the two? accept of course who just wants to hear what the like..
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sani Apr 12, 2021 05:19pm
@Browngirl Lol Just because he didnt follow your school of thought?
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sani Apr 12, 2021 05:20pm
@Pro Democracy This word stupid, minus it from your vocabulary and you guys know nothing.
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Tanvir Khan Apr 12, 2021 05:25pm
Apparently, Prime Minister Imran Khan has seriously violated public expectations by failing to announce that he shall immediately order the installation of gallows in all big chowks to hang the rapists .... since brutal rapes of females, adolescent boys and third gender is EPIDEMICAL in Pakistan!
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Mansoor K. Apr 12, 2021 05:26pm
PMIK cannot explain his position anymore and I believe Rohail did it well to shed light on it. Prime Minister never talked about "appropriate dress" on put blame squarely on women/girls for this menace. Ruckus is purely political to gain some ground.
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Zeeshan Apr 12, 2021 05:26pm
So many times I have indicated that IK's comments were in line with findings of evolutionary biology and rape being an expression of male power rather than linked to sex is its political definition but no one will publish it including this comment. So plz editor, do some justice. Critics of IK should read a natural history of rape by Thornhill and Palmer
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Syed Ahmed Apr 12, 2021 05:36pm
Dear Singers Khan is right .supports his for pakistan.
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Ahmad Gul Nazir Apr 12, 2021 05:47pm
Totally illogical discussion initiated by the Jawad Ahmad. He has only talked about modesty. Modesty in every domain of life is necessary and it does not mean proving vulgarity justifying rape. Both men and women need to be modest.
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Ahmad Apr 12, 2021 05:53pm
@Fastrack a gem like you mr blind support.
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Faiz Apr 12, 2021 05:56pm
Well said Jawad, who will decide what is 'modest' attire? Should we cover all our females in sheets of cloth from head to toe? or force them to stay inside their houses? In most cases we are already doing this. Seems like the PM is incapable of uttering any words of wisdom or any rational thought.
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Faiz Apr 12, 2021 05:57pm
@Fastrack And you are a paid troll, polluting these comment boards with nonsense.
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FAZ Apr 12, 2021 05:59pm
If we dont know what vulgarity is then we need to revisit schools and rethink of naming the country an Islamic republic. Those who oppose Imran Khan should move forward to change the constitution and define whatever they want. Let the democracy prevail and we shall see who wins the numbers game
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Salman Apr 12, 2021 06:06pm
2 poor souls grappling for the society's attention. Dawn obliges.
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Imran Apr 12, 2021 06:07pm
All these statements including Ik's dent the fact that modesty to one side the law is a sham when it comes to protecting all those women who have been rape victims and lets not go down the route of child molestation problems in Pakistan.
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Azad khial Apr 12, 2021 06:17pm
@Fastrack You’re just a full time pti troll aren’t you? If you or your leader had sense or had bothered to read something on the subject you’d understand that rape is not a crime of lust. It is a crime of violence and hatred. You don’t prevent it by covering up you prevent it by prosecuting it as a violent crime.
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Omair Apr 12, 2021 06:19pm
Well said Jawad. We should expose hypocrisy and bigotry where it lies. Way someone dresses can't held against them and somehow in a twisted way be a reason for crime
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Abid Apr 12, 2021 06:20pm
This issue is UN necessarily exploited purposely to destabilize the society by some anti Pakistan miscreants
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Badar Apr 12, 2021 06:28pm
@Fastrack Rohail is playing politics.
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Saeed Apr 12, 2021 06:36pm
Every one against rape even rapist considered it heinous crime. Here Mr Hyatt PM blaming victim just like any religious scholars. Be bold pick the side don’t be sneaky and don’t hide behind word CONTEXT
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Chrís Dăn Apr 12, 2021 06:43pm
Men of""OUR"" society are mentally sick,fullstop.
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Asmaa Mumtaz Apr 12, 2021 06:49pm
Brother Jawaid you want to know about a modest dress? It very simple...A dress that can cover woman body from head to foot.... Aurat ka satar dhak day at least...I think you cannot debate that...it’s unarguable. Do not lie to yourself.
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kash Apr 12, 2021 06:53pm
People are taking Imran Khan's views out of context. You see it Bollywood films as well where the woman is scantily clad and is raped. Imran Khan was implying nudity and vulgarity.
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Duped Again Apr 12, 2021 07:01pm
@Fastrack stop being a parrot and try to look at the bigger picture. You behave like PTI govt can do no wrong and everyone to question it is stupid. Try to use your head for a change instead of being a fanboy all the time. Single track thinking and not being tolerant of all ideas leads to facism and can be very destructive as we have seen in the past 30 or so years.
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Laila Apr 12, 2021 07:26pm
Claiming that going "out of the bounderies of modesty invites trouble" is the same as victimblaming and justifying rape. This is known as rape myth #1. Myths are not facts. His comments were not taken out of context. His comments were ill informed, void of knowledge or facts. He was wrong, so are you Rohail. Real men don't rape.
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Laila Apr 12, 2021 07:53pm
@Asmaa Mumtaz a womans dress or her perceived nudity, immodesty or vulgarity does not allow anybody to rape her. Rape and dress have no correlation. Fact. Women in abbaya, burka, niqab, even women in their homes get raped. Kids, young teenage boys, dead bodies in their grave, animals get raped too. Vulgarity, nudity, immodesty existed in Islam's era and before that too. Rape is a sin and crime. Rape happened to women even during prophets time. And NEVER did he blame the women. Rape is sexual violence.
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Laila Apr 12, 2021 07:55pm
@Asmaa Mumtaz it is very simple. Raping anybody is a choice. No garment can protect you from rape. Niqabi women get raped too. Females inside their home get raped too. Rape is wrong and it should not be excused with victims dress or immodesty.
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Laila Apr 12, 2021 08:03pm
@Zeeshan why are you promoting a fringe theory which has recieved scathing criticism and debunking by its academic peers? Why not mention that and the Thornhill Palmer theorys many weaknesses, flaws (theoretical and methodological both) fail to explain sexual aggression? Their theory claims rape is ONLY sexual, and only younger females are psychologically effected by rape, older women are not because they can't have children, and that all men are potential rapists who simply can't help it. Is that what you believe too about yourself? It is insulting to both men and women. Their adaption theory also discounts the fact that men, boys, children and even animals are raped too. One critic is evolutionist biologist, Jerry A Coyne, who called their theory as irresponsible and the worst of evolutionary biology. Another critic is professor Elisabeth Lloyd, who detailed the flaws in T&Ps theory and even their evolutionary biology.
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Azhar Hussain Apr 12, 2021 08:32pm
Jawad has failed in his singing and decided to act political. If someone follows his tweets and point of view, he has become a typical patwari hence anything PM Imran Khan says and does, he has t oppose it. If you don't believe follow him on tweeter, you will see he has turned into a male version of Reham Khan. Kudos to Rohail Hyatt for keeping his cool against this ill-mannered patwari.
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RASHID ISHAQ Apr 12, 2021 08:33pm
Jawad Ahmed could not sing more than 1 or max 2 good songs and he is trying to be in news.
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Zahid Latif Apr 12, 2021 08:48pm
I agree with Rohail and Khan sahab.. While it's a delicate balance of responsibility between the genders.. It cannot be denied that modesty from both is required to maintain this balance and yes.. No one can deny this fact.
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Abdullah Apr 12, 2021 09:19pm
Jawwad is getting blinded after entering into politics. Every political figure in his mind is his opponent. He better talk sense. Modesty is always a virtue to be adopted by the soul and by the body. I would as Jawwad if he is ok for his daughter to roam around half naked? And he should check the facts. His beloved western society has got the solution of Rape and that's that they have no question on the sexual relationship without marriage. So he might like that choice for his daugher as well?
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Asim Apr 12, 2021 09:19pm
Seriously Jawad who? ....
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Kamran Apr 12, 2021 09:19pm
@Duped Again how many ids do you use to copy same type of reply. Seems like mns funded media cell is gettng active.
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Abdullah Apr 12, 2021 09:20pm
@Najam You need to learn some ethics to see what modesty is.
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Asim Apr 12, 2021 09:23pm
Jawad will teach us these things when he himself objectified women in his own songs and videos :) .... Rohail and Imran are correct there is no one perfect solution .... for e.g. why do we have locks in our doors ... why dont we just leave our house doors open? ..... there are some precautions that need to be taken and does it still stop the burglar to enter the house .... no ... but at least do the basics right to make sure we are open targets .... we are not living a perfect society and there will be sick people and for them yes there should be harsh punishments and made an e.g.
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Chrís Dăn Apr 12, 2021 09:35pm
@kamran Khan if thin and less clothing is comfortable in summer ,autumn and spring -then here comes its usefulness and comfort -then why not to wear less clothing !!!.
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WMS Apr 12, 2021 09:46pm
If someone breaks into a car the blame for the theft is 100% on the thief. But before you park the car, it is you who should take the necessary preventative measures to not leave any valuables lying around in plain sight. Of course, the car may still get broken into even if you hid the valuables. This is why just hiding the valuables is not a complete solution. To develop a society where thieves don't exist, one would have to develop minds that don't think about theft. In the case of rape it would be foolish to overlook the role of the media, the persistent objectification of women, and how its effects trickle down to the society - i.e. To develop pure minds one should provide the right environment (this includes modest dressing), train the minds, and then punish those who commit the crime. Having said this, victim blaming is a major issue in Pakistan. As the head of the country, Imran Khans should be more refined with how he approaches sensitive topics like this.
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MDK UK Apr 12, 2021 10:17pm
At no point did Imran Khan say "women are responsible for being raped". He's talking about the sexualisation that is prevalent in Hollywood and Bollywood, and the effect that has on the society. I don't think it has a positive effect, pornography is bad. We all need to work together and protect the vulnerable, Imran Khan is fighting for us, and as he keeps saying, he can't do this alone, we got to support him.
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Haris Apr 12, 2021 10:43pm
@Najam and Mr. Jawad Ahmed joined PML-N because he cares about the poor masses of our country. That isn't a joke?
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Nazia Apr 12, 2021 11:46pm
Im born and bred in the UK we come to Pakistan on an annual basis, I have never worn western clothes- in the UK I hardly wear Pakistani clothes, never wore revealing clothes/always covered my head, even though in the UK i don’t and I have never felt this need, but yet walk through a bazaar, it’s like a piece of meat walking into a lions den! My cousins wear a burka for shopping but still the same reaction!So I disagree with IK’s comments and yours.the issue isnt what a woman wears, otherwise on my day to day life in the UK I’d be covered from head to foot!
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Farhan Apr 12, 2021 11:55pm
@Laila! What I am trying to argue is that rape being about power isn't a settled scientific debate and feminists who propounded the theory that rape is about power have provided no rigorous scientific evidence through studies and statistics. That's just a political definition which suits feminists. So plz stop pretending that the question is settled and IK is ill informed. Both of these evolutionary biologists are main stream scientists and nothing is debunked so far as you claimed though contested by feminists and their allies on political grounds for sure.
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M. Saeed Apr 13, 2021 12:00am
Big mans joke is always funny and small man's wisdom is always lousy.
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Aimal Apr 13, 2021 12:13am
Jawad is certainly right. If the dress is the reason for men going bersek, then why are children and minors being raped ? It is the sick man's sick mind that does not care if a woman is nude or fully covered up. The sick fellow will care no less.
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Fastrack Apr 13, 2021 02:15am
Rape is not always a crime of lust. Just like it's not always a crime of power. World's not black and white. Oversimplification is lazy. IK said vulgarity is bad. You have a twisted brain if you think vulgarity equals women. When we say prostitution is bad, we mostly hold the more powerful gender, MEN, to be more responsible for it.
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Tufal Khan Apr 13, 2021 02:16am
I don’t know who this Jawad guy is but clearly is clueless
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Laila Apr 13, 2021 04:43am
@Wahid Baaz well for starters stop objectifying and comparing women to objects like gems, jewelry, cars, houses, phones, watches as many of you people in here are doing.
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A Apr 13, 2021 05:47am
As a leader, a PM of a country should not have reasoned on why rapes happen.
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Ibrahim S Apr 13, 2021 06:57am
@F Nawaz who are vulgars, men or women
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Ibrahim S Apr 13, 2021 06:57am
@Fastrack so the men are vulgars ?
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Ibrahim S Apr 13, 2021 07:05am
@Fastrack - ignorance is bliss
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Ibrahim S Apr 13, 2021 07:07am
@ahsan most desi men are sexually deprived due to culture and faith even in western countries . Please tell me how many people (men) watch porno in Pakistani
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Fehmina Apr 13, 2021 08:29am
Let's put facts straight. Baby girls and boys are also raped. Is it because they are not properly dressed? UAE is far more liberal in dress these incidences don't happen there. The answer is to expedite trial hang culprits. Or put them behind bars for all their lives not 14 years only.
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Zulfiqar Apr 13, 2021 09:17am
Disappointed in Jawad Ahmed. He doesn’t seem to understand fact from fiction
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Aziza Apr 13, 2021 12:56pm
Jawad Ahmad should cool down . We all know he is a bitter and jealous person who won't spare any moment to attack the PM with distorted allegations. I also watched the live call conversation with PM and totally agree with Rohail Hayat, it is taken out of context and twisted, PM never blamed the victims. As for women and clothes Javad's own mother told me once "how immoral girls had become these days, many don't even wear duppatas", we are talking about 2003.
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Saad Khan Apr 13, 2021 01:17pm
A_ The way women dresses up should not be a licence to rape for on lockers. It's all about mentality and psychology of rapist. B_ In Pakistan most of the rape cases are child abuses from low income areas or Madras. Specially in case of Madras they have limited Or no access to media so who you are blaming? What was a six year old girl was wearing which tempted the maulvi to rape her?
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Mehr Apr 13, 2021 04:15pm
@Ahsan Gul well said
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babaji Apr 13, 2021 07:35pm
so let me get this straight...Jawad (the wise guy) wants to let everyone decide their own morals and standards regardless of how that may affect other humans in the surrounding society...and Rohail (the stupid man) wants to recognize the strengths, weaknesses and inconsistencies in the way people perceive things and therefore some of them may give in to criminal tendencies. True? Sounds like Jawad's wants to live in a nudist jungle while Rohail wants to take a more scientific approach and maintain peaceful human coexistence by watching our own actions ! HANG ALL RAPISTS, YES ! AND DO NOT CREATE NEW ONES !!! TAKE THE CRIME OUT OF THE CRIMINAL !!!
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Zulfiqar Apr 14, 2021 05:25am
@Najam how?
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White Noise Apr 14, 2021 07:07am
why are we debating Rape? its the worst you can do, if not gallows then chemical castration, no questions asked.
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RRL Apr 14, 2021 11:34am
The best thing that Imran Khan can do is overhaul a system where women are subjected to a man’s law. Punish rapists, punish for honour killing, punish every man who violates a woman. Didn’t hear Imran Khan complaining about the way women dressed in London- perhaps in Pakistan they are made ‘different’!
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Laila Apr 17, 2021 12:32am
@Farhan actually the theory of T&P is debunked. That's why I told you to look up the criticism which centers on the theory's weaknesses and flaws. You failed to do so You falsely claim, only feminists disagree with T&P. Funny as T&P are known to do the same. IF someone identifies as a feminist that doesn't automatically invalidate their criticism. If you had bothered to examine in detail each of the MANY critiques you will find they are not all feminists. Promoting T&Ps fringe theory, which flies in the face of already established social and evolutionary biological theories on sexual violence and sexual aggression, is dishonest. You didn't even read the critiques yet you claim them as invalid. By propagating a fringe theory you are agreeing with their claims: *that ALL men are potential rapists and will rape *that only young women in the reproductive age are psychologically effected by rape Others victims are not *Male, child, trans victims don't exist Yeah it's debunked alright
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Laila Apr 17, 2021 12:36am
@RRL punish every man who violates any body be that a woman, female child, man, male child, transgender, anybody. Because nobody is safe in Pakistan. Not even animals. Such is the depravity and vulgarity. But nobody wants to admit or talk about this. Instead we live in denial and utopia grabbing at staws to justify this culture of rape, misogyny and intolerance. The hypocrisy of people is shocking. And this explains why problems remain unsolved.
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Laila Apr 17, 2021 12:36am
@Farhan actually the theory of T&P is debunked. That's why I told you to look up the criticism which centers on the theory's weaknesses and flaws. You failed to do so You falsely claim, only feminists disagree with T&P. Funny as T&P are known to do the same. IF someone identifies as a feminist that doesn't automatically invalidate their criticism. If you had bothered to examine in detail each of the MANY critiques you will find they are not all feminists. Promoting T&Ps fringe theory, which flies in the face of already established social and evolutionary biological theories on sexual violence and sexual aggression, is dishonest. You didn't even read the critiques yet you claim them as invalid. By propagating a fringe theory you are agreeing with their claims: *that ALL men are potential rapists and will rape *that only young women in the reproductive age are psychologically effected by rape Others victims are not *Male, child, trans victims don't exist Yeah it's debunked alright
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