Pakistan will not accept India as UNSC permanent member: Nawaz
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan made it clear to the United States on Thursday it would not accept India as a permanent member of United Nations Security Council (UNSC).
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif expressed these reservations while speaking with US President Barack Obama on the phone, the PM House said in a statement.
The prime minister said India cannot become a UNSC permanent member due to its non-compliance of all the resolutions passed by UN regarding Kashmir, added the spokesman.
The US president called Nawaz in the evening where both the leaders discussed issues of mutual interest and those related to regional stability and peace for over half-an-hour, said the statement.
The spokesman said the prime minister made it clear upon the US president that permanent slot for India at the UNSC will not be tolerated at any cost as India has not fulfilled any resolution passed by UN aimed at assuring the right of self determination for the people of Kashmir.
During his visit to India last month, Obama had lent his support to India’s bid for UN Security Council’s membership which was seen in Pakistan as contempt of democracy and human rights.
“India is by no means eligible to become a permanent member of UN,” the prime minister was quoted as saying. Nawaz also conveyed Pakistan’s desire to become a member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group.
Meanwhile, Obama informed Nawaz about his recent trip to India and also congratulated the prime minister on the success of Operation Zarb-i-Azb.
Barack Obama visited India on January 25 and became the first US president to make two official visits to India during his tenure.
During the trip Indian Premier Narendra Modi and Obama announced they had reached an agreement to provide civilian nuclear technology to India that was signed in 2008 but had been held up by US concerns over liability in the event of a nuclear accident.
During his visit to India, Obama also became the first US president to attend the spectacular military and cultural display in a sign of the nations' growing closeness.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:31pm
And what exactly will Pakistan's non-acceptance do? Does anyone in the world care for Pakistan's opinion?
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Feb 12, 2015 11:32pm
Well done PM! We expect you such a bold stance on Kashmir.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:33pm
Who cares? China has already declared that will support India for UN permanent seat. I don't think any of the big powers be it EU, Russia, America, China, Japan, Australia , BRICS is going to oppose indian bid ... Pakistan will be isolated as always.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:34pm
Breaking news :China supports India's bid for permanent membership in UN Security Council
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Feb 12, 2015 11:35pm
A simple question for Mr. nawaz Sharif and that what, if? What if USA along with China supports India's venture into UNSC? What on Earth Pakistan is going to do, seriously? I mean does Pakistan has any leverage with either China or the USA? No one cares for Pakistan's opinion. If it should go, it will!
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Feb 12, 2015 11:35pm
Why NS is picking the receiver of usa?
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Feb 12, 2015 11:36pm
The day is not too far when India will be a permanent of UNSC.....
Just wait & watch....
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Feb 12, 2015 11:36pm
But Pakistan has veto power ???
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Feb 12, 2015 11:36pm
Negotiation technique of a business men. At the end, Pakistan will agree and I return Nawaz sharuf's business will get export quota in India. Najam Sethi did the same in cricket. What a difference between a corrupt businessmen and a true visionary leader. Nawaz sharif has been corrupt or 30 years and we think he will change
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Feb 12, 2015 11:37pm
I doubt Nawaz managed to raise his voice. We all know how the PPP led government served to US interests with the drone strikes in NW and then playing the flute to the masses.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:37pm
Typical looser mentality.
Instead,Pakistan should make an attempt to get permanent seat too.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:39pm
Unfortunatetly, Pakistan has just one vote to oppose it. China may abstain from voting.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:40pm
and he asked for help on all matters including gas, electricity and water shortage, Imran Khan and for some fresh air....
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Feb 12, 2015 11:40pm
Quite right...Kashmir discussion starts again...here we go...
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Feb 12, 2015 11:41pm
US doesn't need friends they only need puppits. US doesn't care about kasjmier u will see that India will become permanent member of UN.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:41pm
India should not let become member of UNC
Go India go back free kashmir
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Feb 12, 2015 11:42pm
Meanwhile Indications from China today suggest role for India and Brazil in UNSC
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Feb 12, 2015 11:43pm
About time NS took hard approach rather than gifting Sarees to his counter-part's mother.
I call it "insecurity council" anyways. Full of hypocrites.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:44pm
And India will never accept that Pakistan is not a sponsor of global terrorism. As long as Pakistan exists; terrorism will stay.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:45pm
As if the world is going to listen to a toothless and corrupt Pakistani prime minister rants. He forgot his recent address in UN when most of the chairs were empty while he was speaking about Kashmir. Grow up or be doomed.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:46pm
And Obama said he has read the UN resolutions and found that it is Pakistan that has not complied the UN resolutions and advised the PM Sharif to read the resolutions again and then hung up the phone.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:47pm
Who care about International beggars Pakistan
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Feb 12, 2015 11:47pm
Wow! As if world is going to listen to Pakistan on who can be in security council and who can't ;)
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Feb 12, 2015 11:47pm
As expected.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:47pm
Bravo nawaz
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Feb 12, 2015 11:48pm
Never knee NS could talk like a man. Good one!
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Feb 12, 2015 11:48pm
haha...dont accept...who cares?
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Feb 12, 2015 11:48pm
Brilliant! Pakistan is trying to dictate to the U.S. lol pakistan my brothers do what you can but you can do nothing to stop India. Good luck
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Feb 12, 2015 11:49pm
Since Nawaz has ordered Obama, now surely it is not possible.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:50pm
IF the US didnt care about Pakistan's input, Obama would have never brought up the subject ... (given its something obama suggested while in india, its obvious obama brought up the subject)
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Feb 12, 2015 11:52pm
Who cares? Is there a country in the world that listen to Pakistan? It is just like Somalia.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:52pm
Who is asking for Pakistan's permission!!!!!
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Feb 12, 2015 11:52pm
I'm glad that Nawaz Sharif mace this point clear. India does not qualify nor can it think that it can attain a permanent member seat. It has violated the UN resolution yet wants to become a part of it. That is just plain illogical and a mockery of the UN
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Feb 12, 2015 11:53pm
A stronger Pakistan will not need UNSC jokers anyways. In my humble opinion.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:53pm
@Joesph
Apparently you do since you visit a Pakistani news site frequently to post negative comments!
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Feb 12, 2015 11:54pm
Too bad! It may still happen. Even if Pakistan wishes not. It is actually very very wishful thinking.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:54pm
@Pankaj as much as america knows of endia, of it has to declare someone terrorist nation then globally it would be america and second will be endia. Infct america second and endia first because america spreads terrorism to other nations whilst endia kills its own i.e.,sikhs riots, muslim riots christian riots and others kashmiris, terrorism in pak etc
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Feb 12, 2015 11:55pm
Doesn't make any difference what Osama Bin Laden's native country say to US. India is progressing in high speed, Pakistan is destroying in high speed.
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Feb 12, 2015 11:55pm
Mean while China also supported India for UNSC
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Feb 12, 2015 11:55pm
A country that cannot offer basic amenities of electricity and gas to its populace, that cannot offer security to its populace in its largest metropolis (much less elsewhere), whose lawmakers are engrossed in the meaningless question of "Who is a true muslim?" has a say about whether a country with booming economy can be a member of UNSC?
Who *cares* what these beggars think?
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Feb 12, 2015 11:56pm
Keep trying to stop India if you can !!!
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Feb 12, 2015 11:56pm
And who cares whether you accept it or not?. India is the world's 6th largest economy. Again, who cares if you accept it or not. There is so much we can learn from India in every field. Shame that we are not even capable of learning from others let alone be imaginative or creative.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:00am
That's what I'm talking about,
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Feb 13, 2015 12:00am
The person who was banned to even visit USA was given so much respect and a hug proving it is not about human rights but self benefits. No one cares about human rights Mr. Sharif
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Feb 13, 2015 12:01am
No body cares for what Pakistan thinks, its almost a non-entity. I think Pak will wake up when China gives it a rude awakening.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:01am
There is nothing new here. Any Pakistan government will oppose India's permanent membership of UNSC, because India has not complied with the famous Kashmir Resolution. Pakistan cannot veto a UN resolution, any way.
Pakistan does not have enough strength to be counted, because of it's ill economic and political health. In order for some one to give you some thing, he has to like you. No one likes terrorism and extremism.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:01am
Didn't know that Pakistan decides UNSC membership.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:01am
@Hari So be it. enjoy your limelight. it is well earned.
however once you i.e. india gets the limelight, best of luck keeping it
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Feb 13, 2015 12:04am
"Pakistan will not accept India as UNSC permanent member: Nawaz"
When the 5 permanent members of the UNSC are ready to accept India as a permanent member (along with support from many other countries), what say does Pakistan have in this matter?
And if outstanding border issues with neighbors is ground for disqualification from permanent membership of the UNSC, then China should also be disqualified as it has border disputes with Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, Bhutan & India.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:07am
Pakistan should not be a thorn to India's progress, instead it should have good relations and use it for betterment of people.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:09am
Well done Nawaz Sharif.
India should seriously consider its aggressive stance against Pakistan and Kashmir.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:09am
I'm seeing alot of 'who cares' messages from the indians in here, evidently you do care thats why youre reading and commenting on a pakistani news site duhh
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Feb 13, 2015 12:11am
President Obama does not act in line with Nawaz's command. It's for certain that India ( an emerging power) is bound to become a permanent member of the world body, notwithstanding Nawa's strong aversion.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:11am
Don't be Hypocritical to fool your own nation. you are talking lime you have a VETO . First try to provide basic necessities to your people and don't try to deviate their attention.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:14am
China will probably flex its muscles and lobby against it to. India has a poor human rights record and Kashmir issue persists so I doubt india has a chance at it
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Feb 13, 2015 12:17am
PM's point is valid. Since India has shown no respect to the UN by not complying with its resolutions, India does not have the right to be a member of SC at the UN. The problem is that just like India, others such as the US, China and Russia do not respect the UN either, so India has lots in common with the other SC members. Countries like Pakistan do not matter because they have no leverage over others
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Feb 13, 2015 12:17am
Does PM Nawaz think that his saying No has any weight-age?
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Feb 13, 2015 12:19am
Yes. Pakistan shoul give up its UN membership as a protest. Not much else it can do.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:22am
Here are the reason's why India should be in UNSC:
1. The largest democracy in the world
2. Has 1/6th of the world'a population
3. Very diverse country (more diverse than the entire Europe)
4. 3rd largest Muslim population in the world. This is the only muslims could be represented in the UNSC
5. Largest contributors of UN peacekeeping force
6. One of the largest economic power in the world
7. A nuclear power (which was a criteria to be in the UNSC
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Feb 13, 2015 12:22am
I think todays world is divided between China, Pakistan, North Korea VS rest of the world. So obviously no one can stop India for the moment. Just chill
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Feb 13, 2015 12:23am
Does that even matter that Pakistan accepts it or not?
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Feb 13, 2015 12:25am
@khalid but public of pak is trying
Though there leaders r not
Wishes form n Indian 2 Pakistani's
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Feb 13, 2015 12:26am
@Manoj And even if India becomes permanent member, what can you do that you have not already done ...
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Feb 13, 2015 12:32am
Excellent.. we are 100% with you Mr. PM..
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Feb 13, 2015 12:35am
@Omar Well, it is because of Google news.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:36am
Pakistan, today US doesn't need you much because Cold war is over now. Today world is stressing more on economy. So obviously how can they ignore India. Well it will be better for the South Asian region.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:39am
So obama and sharif talked for half and hour and instead of discussing about how to develop pakistan sharif wasted it in futile attempt to criticize india...great going pakistan
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Feb 13, 2015 12:39am
UN is a useless organization. Over the years Barrel of gun has proven to be louder than the hue and cries of the weaker nations. So far UN's record has been abysmal. May it be Palestine, Kashmir, Bosnia or Ukraine, UN has just failed to deliver. If India is granted a permanent seat in the security council, Pakistan should quit UN. Pakistan must make this very clear to the world community now.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:40am
Pakistan can say what it wants, India will be a permanent member of the UNSC. Baggers can't be choosers. Now for the Pakistanis do not say no to the US who feeds you'll right left and centre via Saudi Arabia.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:42am
Mr. PM, Kashmir is not the world for Pakistan. There is Karachi, Islamabad, Lahore, etc. The issue to be discussed is how to stop terrorism - so that 150 kids don't die anywhere in the country, hope the priorities are right!
US with its technology can help Pak in ending terrorism, discuss that. Discuss how to generate more electricity with US' help!
Don't be India centric, be Pak centric!
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Feb 13, 2015 12:42am
Pakistan may or may not support India's bid but what matters is how big is Pakistan's clout in UN. if the clout is only a few countries then it's just a discussion point. If I were India, I will start reaching out to other members anyway a vote of 100+ yes counts in the UN of 163 member countries. NS may be selling this within Pakistan. Outside Pakistan it really doesn't matter.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:46am
US won't talk to RUSSIA, Doesn't like China but needs it for business. All 3 are friends of India. India is in the best position of all as all big powers need India.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:47am
@shamain The "end" in endia must be a reference to the end of Islamabad's control over East Pakistan that India was responsible for.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:47am
I hope that's a joke US RUSSIA and now CHINA are all backing India. What is pakistan lol
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Feb 13, 2015 12:48am
@Vishal no we don't. Every nation should have equal voice. We do not accept the hegemony of few states in the Un and nor we want to be part of this gang.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:51am
i wont believe till i hear the telephone call
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Feb 13, 2015 12:51am
@Ghaznavi
Since UN has an abysmal record why not quit now than wait for India to be a member of UNSC.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:55am
India cannot become permanent member of UN before Japan and Germany both nations have bigger economies than India's and have always complied with UN resolutions.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:55am
Who cares... You just have a vote out of 193 votes and as far as china concern we are working on it :)
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Feb 13, 2015 12:56am
Under pressure from the US president and Pakistan, India agreed to carry on Foreign Secy level talks twice a year on Kashmir until 2031.
From 2031 until 2051, the discussion would be held at Prime Ministerial level.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:59am
@Allaisa , were you dreaming?
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Feb 13, 2015 01:02am
@imtyazz India in turn can demand to have full of Pak-Bangla as it belongs as one,only the converted slaves of arabs demanded a separation wherein no democratic process was made to the citizens of undivided india! And Pak has not withdrawn it forces and settlers according to UN resolution, signed bilatarel negotiation agreement in 1971, and donated parts of kashmir to china! Remeber that Pak had only 10-15 yrs of democracy in 66 yrs, and shall Pak give a referrundum for Baloch?
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Feb 13, 2015 01:05am
@Warrior Bin Qasim -Without Aid of UN member states, donations of IMF,IWF and WorldBank Pak economy will collapse in a week!
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Feb 13, 2015 01:06am
@Dasingh : it seems some one care so that he called upon the PM Nawaz for his consent. I know its hard to digest for indians that what ever good or bad reasons, Pakistan has a say (By hook or by crook)
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Feb 13, 2015 01:08am
Last time around there were 4 yes votes and 1 No vote amongst the permanent members. While it is not known with certainty to whom the No vote belonged to, I was told by usually reliable sources that it was the USA that cast the negative vote. Now with Obama swinging to the Indian side it is only a matter of time before India becomes a permanent member with or without veto powers. BTW no one asked for Pakistan's opinion and in these matters no one pays attention to unsolicited opinion.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:08am
India has no chance of getting permanent membership at UN. It is neither a military or economic power. Economies of Germany, Japan and Brazil are bigger than that of India's. Therefore, they should also have permanent membership at UN ahead of India.
Pakistan should work with Germany, Japan and Brazil on this issue.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:09am
Who cares what PAKISTAN accepts and does not accept ?
Is Mr Nawaz Sharif dictating to the President of the United States ?
Having visited INDIA TWICE while President,he did not care
for even a 2 hour stop in the most "important strategic ally,Pakistan".
Demonstrates the actual "importance" that Pakistan commands.......
i.e.,only in the minds of Pakistanis !!
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Feb 13, 2015 01:10am
India is the ony country which is supported by all 5 permanent members of UNSC and is the largest contributor of troops in UN.peace keeping missions . I dont know how Mr.NS thinks that is not eligible? and by the way its upto United Nations to decided wheather India has followed the resolutions passed by them or not.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:10am
All India has to do is implement UN resolution on Kashmir and win the confidence of International community I mean the entire world. It is not a big deal
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Feb 13, 2015 01:12am
@Ghaznavi : "If India is granted a permanent seat in the security council, Pakistan should quit UN. Pakistan must make this very clear to the world community now."
I'm sure the world community will miss Pakistan's speech raising the Kashmir issue at the UN every year.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:13am
India might very well become a member of the security council; the gross human right violations amply documented by countless international organizations and the denial of self-determination not allowed to the people of the occupied territories notwithstanding because there is no such thing as morality in international affairs; only self-interest.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:14am
whatever without conscent of pakistan it would be difficult for india to achieve this aim.The main player is usa and washington knows very well the consequences it would face for its support to india.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:14am
PM is correct. India can not be allowed permanent membership because there are outstanding UN resolutions against it.
In my opinion there should be NO permanent members. That would be more fair.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:15am
@Dasingh
Yes Sir, India may now keep day dreaming, will never become permanent member of the UN, though it is irrelevant practically. I am proud of my PM for his clear stance.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:18am
@Harmony
Kashmir discussion will continue till the Kashmiris get their right of plebiscite.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:18am
If border dispute with Pakistan is grounds to disqualify India from permanent membership in the UNSC then China should also be disqualified as it has border disputes with Taiwan, South Korea, Bhutan, Myanmar & India and water disputes with Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Malaysia & Philippines.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:19am
When Obama speaks with Modi, they discuss economy, mutual growth, well being of people of both countries etc. NS rather than discussing India, could spent that opportunity in discussing betterment of Pakistan.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:20am
@atif
Good enemies are better than the bad friends.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:21am
Indeed a nation of 1 billion plus deserves a permanent seat, but since India didn't comply to any UN resolutions why does it matter. Today the UN is a useless league as was its predecessor, this will only further elements that obey no laws, have no boundaries. It's a dangerous game when you leave your opponent no saving grace, they are forced to take the ugliest steps then.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:28am
@Ali-Indian what do you mean, we cannot speak english and raise our voice, you have
700, 000 troops in kashmir, what that means, we will raise this issue whenever we can
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Feb 13, 2015 01:30am
@Arindam Banerjee NJ we heard that 10 years ago
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Feb 13, 2015 01:55am
Well, what Americans are upto now? Are they not singly enough to endanger this World's peace.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:20am
It is a principled stand taken by Pakistan and all countries that believe in UN philosophy and adherence to its declarations and resolutions will stand by Pakistan including US. This is a testing time for all the countries. We should hope we are all are on the same page.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:20am
Good stance taken by Nawaz Sharif regarding India's earnest desire to become veto power at the United Nation Security Council in spite of ignoring, refuting and debunking all U.N. resolutions on Jammu and Kashmir since last 67 years.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:20am
@shamain Before saying others are ugly, you should take a look at yourself in the mirror, that's a popular saying BTW. If US and India are the worst offender of basic human rights, then where is Pakistan in that list one would wonder. Please talk substance or else don't..
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Feb 13, 2015 02:21am
It is nice of NS to express his opinion... question is ... will it count, especially when China has indicated that it will support India's bid? All other UNSC members are already on India's side for one reason or other...
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Feb 13, 2015 02:23am
@shamain first correct your Spelling. It's India not endia:)
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Feb 13, 2015 02:24am
@Dasingh People in Madrasas care about Pak opinion.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:26am
Does Nawaz seriously think that Obama or anyone for that matter cares about his opinion regarding India's status in the security council?
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Feb 13, 2015 02:29am
When Pakistan, the great world power says, it is not acceptable that means it is not acceptable. End of the discussion.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:36am
@Ali
Nawaz Sharif has done a good job of staying alive. Power in Pakistan comes out of the barrel of a gun, not at the ballot box. Every adult citizen in Pakistan should understand that by this time.
If the politicians in Pakistan are dysfunctional, which they are, expect a military government. My belief is that prime minister Nawaz Sharif is Pakistan's best option at that was my belief before elections.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:36am
for 2/3 days this will remain in news... then this govt will accept india as permanent member of UN... this govt will be given some more options for investments in india... Dollar Dar will twist the issue and link it to IMF/ UN/ USA for more loan.... end of story.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:37am
Excellent Picture.........That's exactly how it should be...........Tell the finger raiser to calm down.....Decision will be based on PAKISTANI interest........and the finger raiser can do what ever he/she want with it.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:40am
@Ghaznavi That'll be great.... two birds in one stone!! India will become permanent member of UNSC and Pakistan will become.... isolated!!!
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Feb 13, 2015 02:54am
@Fazal Sorry to bust your bubble but for now China opposes Japan. This is due history and current territorial dispute.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:56am
Pakistan has secret veto power in UNSC. Now we know!
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Feb 13, 2015 02:58am
@malick "Why NS is picking the receiver of usa?"
NS is actually picking the receiver in pakistan. Maybe his receiver is "made in USA".
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Feb 13, 2015 02:58am
The UN resolution on Kashimr 47 is not binding(passed under on either parties(India or Pak), so I don't see any violation. Resolutions passed under Chapter VI of UN charter are considered non binding and have no mandatory enforceability as opposed to the resolutions passed under Chapter VII. Most Pak people don't seem to research these facts before commenting.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:59am
India has no place in the UN. They have always made a mockery of the UN resolutions. They just want to get the permanent member seat to mock Pakistan.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:01am
@Nand First choice should be to reform the organization and try to make it more civilized. To this end Pakistan has already made suggestions. Granting India the permanent seat will be like rewarding the nation which did not adhere to the organization's principals. Who will be rewarded next? Israel!! In such case it will be better for Pakistan to quit.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:03am
Mr. PM: You and previous governments has missed decades of time. You guys were haggling and spending time in inventing ways to fool Pakistani people. Make your case now. How in the world can a country be in security council as a permanent member who has no respect for international law. The UN resolutions have not been complied with by Indians. Find an intelligent diplomat who can become a good FM, even he or she is not from your home town. Let him or her go around and plead Pakistan' case. Mr. PM, checking prices of onion and carrots is a cheap publicity stunt but does not sit very well even at home. Can you imagine your advisors with the same ability talking to foreign governments.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:03am
@Raja Idrees
The people of the United States and the government of the United States do not care about Kashmir. That is absolutely correct. There are only two nations with the power to manage the problem, and those two nations are not Russia and China.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:04am
Pakistan should start communicating with all muslim countries and friendly nations to gather support for its opposition to india's possible candidacy for UN permanent seat. Time for a diplomatic push is now, not after six month or a year. India occupying Kashmir and refusing to accept UNO resolution, cannot and should not become permanent member of security council. This is a test of effectiveness of Pakistani diplomacy.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:06am
Sure Pakistan should leave UN immediately...No one cares what Pakistan thinks anyway...LoL
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Feb 13, 2015 03:10am
Well only lip services. We know you do business in India Mr Nawaz Sharif. You care less when dollars fill your coiffeurs.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:14am
Mr president
Has pakistan complied with un
Resolutions.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:20am
@Raman Don't forget, we are the champions of "strongly condemning" the actions.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:22am
India will need 2/3 majority and not veto from Permanent Member to get that position. As of not India do have it . Does not matter if Pakistan want or not . Count the number of country is with Pakistan. Mark my word ultimately Pakistan will vote in favor of India. The politician there never say the truth.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:26am
@shafqatmir. Mistake in counting these are 7 lac five thousands now pl recount
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Feb 13, 2015 03:28am
@Florida Guru And reasons why it should not be?
How about highest amounts of poverty, huge disparity between the "Haves" & "Have-nots", highest rate of child abductions (especially females) in the world, discrimination against other religions etc etc.
And before you start comparing these facts with Pakistan (an equal culprit), Pakistan is not vying for a seat in the UNSC!
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Feb 13, 2015 03:30am
@Peace I dont think the rest of the world has succeeded in stopping any of these nations either.
And you forgot Iran - their nuclear bomb is around the corner despite the best efforts of the West to deny them
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Feb 13, 2015 03:31am
How many votes does Pakistan have?
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Feb 13, 2015 03:36am
@EastWest And why do you suppose all this aid is flowing in? For a country that no one needs or deems important?
Think again. Just being a nuclear power buys a lot - just look at Korea or Iran. Not yet fully nuclear & still capable of holding off the West despite their best efforts!
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Feb 13, 2015 03:37am
Someone should inform Nawaz Sharif that not only US, UK, Russia & France but "all weather best friend" China also supports India's bid to the UNSC. That makes all 5 permanent members of the UNSC supporting India's bid.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:38am
@Raman "A simple question for Mr. nawaz Sharif and that what, if? What if USA along with China supports India's venture into UNSC? What on Earth Pakistan is going to do, seriously?"
Gen Raheel, please let Raman know what you will do in that situation.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:39am
@EastWest please build some toilets after getting the membership
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Feb 13, 2015 03:42am
Pakistani PM says something Pakistanis don't pay attention why would Obama or any other leader of the world would pay attention. These incompetent people who are put in power have humiliated us in the entire world. Agencies are equally responsible for the failure.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:42am
And why did he not call china and cry to them as well..?? Cos china abandoned them and put their approval to India's membership in UNSC... !!!
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Feb 13, 2015 03:49am
@Ghaznavi Who cares if Pakistan is in the UN or not?
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Feb 13, 2015 03:56am
Man-O-Man. Too many Indian trolls on one page.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:57am
If NS believes that People of Pakistan are with him on the Kashmir Issue, please prove to the people of Pakistan with a referendum on the subject to show that People of Pakistan support you and your associates for your support of Kashmir Issue.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:57am
Pakistan's non-acceptance will make no difference at all. It is similar to Pakistan’s non-recognition of Israel. Does Israel cease to exist? Usual endless rhetoric by Pakistan.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:58am
How can UN even think of even considering India on the position. Her huma right abuse in Kashmir with christians muslims is known. This country like india should not have powers its not good for world. They are selfish.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:58am
As you see in this picture, Mr. Prime Minister needs a big team to keep his chair stable. All of us know, many in Pakistan are trying to pull his chair away. I think he should devote more time to keep his chair than snatching India's UNSC chair.
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Feb 13, 2015 03:59am
India is very selfish and have poor track record. Its not good for the world.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:08am
Is this what MNS actually said or is this for the consumption of the home crowd?
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Feb 13, 2015 04:13am
the way Indian trolls have come out of the woodwork, it's obvious NS has stepped on Modi disciples big time! Let these trolls stew in their own juices! Their pain does offer comic relief
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Feb 13, 2015 04:17am
It is one thing to express your disapproval and quite another to give ultimatums. Here, our Prime Minister has expressed his disapproval - Really? Does he think it will get him anywhere? Ultimatums are what works! U.S. needs Pakistan - maybe, it will be a good idea to flex your muscles sometimes.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:17am
It is one thing to express your disapproval and quite another to give ultimatums. Here, our Prime Minister has expressed his disapproval - Really? Does he think it will get him anywhere? Ultimatums are what works! U.S. needs Pakistan - maybe, it will be a good idea to flex your muscles sometimes.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:20am
Why is Pakistan opposing ? Why not Pakistan trying for herself ?
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Feb 13, 2015 04:26am
India would not loose the Permanent Memmbership of UNSC because of Pakistan's opposition. It may loose it because of China's opposition. India is NOT in a position to leverage it for now any way. So, relax, Mr. Nawaz Sharif. Just remember this," You do NOT become taller by chopping people below the knee. You become taller by your deeds." Your problem is that Pakistan has NO Good Deeds, NONE, to ask the world for any thing morally.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:29am
@independentthinker : "Ultimatums are what works! U.S. needs Pakistan - maybe, it will be a good idea to flex your muscles sometimes."
And may I ask what ultimatum will you give to the US? That if your demands are not met, you'll destroy yourself? Because that's pretty much the only leverage you have left!
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Feb 13, 2015 04:30am
@Dasingh Pakistan has a vote in the UN and as a neighbour and with territorial dispute with India, Pakistan's vote counts. Give me one good reason why would China want India to be permanent member of the UN?
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Feb 13, 2015 04:31am
@imtyazz Do you mean Pakistan Held Kashmir.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:32am
LoL Pakistan also won't accept India reached mars. So what??? Pakistan cant even make a satellite and launch it own its own.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:36am
@AW If you are literate, go first read that resolution and understand it Maybe then you will understand who did not comply in the first place.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:43am
I think Modi got this wrong and underestimated to Pakistan internal problem, He had the chance to shake hand with NS, resolve Kashmir and other issue and become Asia's super power and UM perm member with the help of Pakistan but Modi choose the hard way which is not sustainable for longer term. Pakistan winning terriosim war and economy is getting better slowly so Modi will find it difficult to dictate , Modi still have time to share hands for the long term prosperity of India and Pakistan
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Feb 13, 2015 04:43am
He may be threatening to, withdraw from UN. That will discourage a lot of countries from supporting India. But they may support Pakistan instead for doing so.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:46am
I wonder why Pakistan is always harping on UN resolution on Kashmir when it has become redundant long back due to varied reasons. Simla agreement is a testimony to it. This jargon is only for the consumption of uneducated people. Is their any country of merits which favors this rhetoric of Pakistan. What was the response of Barack Obama to the beseeching of Nawaz Sharief, the spokesman is silent on that. Instead of developing cordial relations like suave responsible neighbors for the betterment of the;people why to curse and cry like desperate helpless widows.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:47am
@Amin : you are contradicting yourself, then you ask to ban all countries, why single out against India?
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Feb 13, 2015 04:49am
Nice that Pakistan is finally asserting itself on the global stage. Now everyone will fear the country and will want to be friends with Pakistan.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:51am
The obvious question after reading only the article and not the comments is: Have any of the present UNSC members expressed any inclination to be in favor of the UN resolutions that were referred to by the PM?
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Feb 13, 2015 04:55am
@Kobe "A country that cannot offer basic amenities of electricity and gas to its populace,"
Look who is talking where 500+ million people do not have access to clean water or toilet and live on less than $1 a day. Booming economy? Take care of these people first then talk about booming whatever.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:57am
Calm down this is just for domestic audience. He did not say anything.he will not.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:14am
@Muhammad Farooq, ON, Canada
as they say keep hoping, dear
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Feb 13, 2015 05:19am
If India is given permanent membership of UN, Pakistan will permanently break all diplomatic, business and personal ties with the current permanent members - China, France, Russia, U.K and USA. That would mean no embassies of these countries in Pakistan, and no Pakistani embassies in these countries.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:19am
can we ask Obama for Kashmir too
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Feb 13, 2015 05:21am
@malick If he didn't it would encourage the civil war in the realm of capitalism.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:30am
Let the Pakistan make itself credible and indispensable civilised state instead of rouge nation , then it can dictate/demand the terms for the neighbouring state.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:33am
Take care of pakistan first and then you can think about the world. Let pakistan move out of kashmir first(one of UN resolution), then you can advice india on kashmir.
When India become part of NSG, you also want to be part of it, when india wants to be a permanent member in security council you dont have the courage to ask for a permanent membership in security council bcoz you know that nobody is going to support you.
We are least bothered about your comments pakistan PM.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:37am
I don't think Pakistan has any say here. No one listens to us, anymore. Only 5 UNSC permanent members can decide. Even in the UN General assembly, 191 countries out of 203 or so countries accepted India's UNSC membership. In this scenario it will be pragmatic to support India and be on the right side of the history to get concessions from it.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:40am
After Tashkent agreement in 1966 and Simla agreement in 1971, U N resolutions ended. Pakistan,by opposing UNSC permanent membership to India, degrades and reduces the voice of 150 crore people of South Asia.This is the tendency of south Asian blood.Very bad.
Instead of trying to divide India on religious ground,Pakistan must work for border less South Asia like European Union.That is good for all.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:43am
Pakistan will support Libya, Syria, Muslim African countries, Lebanon, Iraq for UNSC.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:43am
@Salman Shah You hit the nail on the head! Insecurity breeds more wealth than security does.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:44am
@Allaisa Please wake up PAKISTAN.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:47am
even china has agreed to vote for india.....india will make it to the security council.....countries like pakistan who think they can make a difference by raking up a non-issue again and again will be ignored certainly.....
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Feb 13, 2015 05:47am
@Shaneeza. These countries will then no longer face terrorists threats
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Feb 13, 2015 05:50am
@Dasingh Yes it does!
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Feb 13, 2015 05:54am
It PAINS us enormously!!! This attitude of Pakistan?:):):)
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Feb 13, 2015 05:55am
@Hari That may have been a news in the "Hindu" not in any international press. As a matter of fact, when Chinese premier was visiting India, Chinese forces had an incursion at the border.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:56am
@kalim Who cares about Pakistan
Afghanistan economy is set to overtake Pakistan by 2016.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:57am
Urdu me ek shayri hai. It would be easy to understand by pakistani And the shari is "khudi ko kar buland itna ki har taqrir se pehle khuda bande se khud puche ki bata teri raza kya hai". It says everything u need to do.
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Feb 13, 2015 05:58am
@Sonny Afridi china has better track record in human rights and democracy
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Feb 13, 2015 06:08am
Who cares about pakistan's opinion in the world. This is a good reason why India should ban pakistani to enter in our media, films, sports etc etc.....
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Feb 13, 2015 06:11am
So, Pakistan is decided to oppose everything against India and same time seeking friendship and trade with India? and more over it is oppose Americans civil nuclear trade with India at the same time Pakistan is seeking electricity from India.. Pakistan need water from India but it is against India in all aspects...Pakistan not ready to off from Pakistan occupied Kashmir but it need resolution from Kashmir. Pakistan is a confused state than failed state.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:11am
Obama acting like as if he is President of India. Good reply by Nawaz. You can't just make a courtesy calls to Pakistan and expect them to bow down to every demand. Nawaz good or bad, atleast he is not a traitor. Obama should call terrorist Modi and convince him to stop terrorism.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:11am
@Dasingh lol, you will see
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Feb 13, 2015 06:12am
@Hari in your dreams
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Feb 13, 2015 06:12am
@Manoj yes and day is near when India will have public toilet.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:15am
@khan ha ha extremely funny
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Feb 13, 2015 06:16am
@Pragmatist Which resolution have they made mockery of? Kindly enlighten us after you have read the UN resolution 47 passed under chapter 6.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:22am
Hmm...i think Pakistan should get a permanent seat as well, outside the UN head office. ...i am sure the majority of the UN members won't have any objection....
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Feb 13, 2015 06:23am
Ok, if we were to measure a country's membership on basis of human rights violations, let's do this
Remove russia for the human rights violations in Gulag.
Remove US for the native indians' genocide.
Remove United Kingdom for colonizing half the world and in general causing a lot of wars.
Remove China for its human right violations in Tianenmen Square and in general squashing free opinion.
Hmm... We are not left with much here.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:24am
It is in the interest of UN that India is offered the UNSC membershiIp. India is a major economy , largest democracy and has secular credentials.Also India is worlds oldest civilisation with a population of 1.25 billion.India is also a nuclear power & has successfully launched space missions. On Kashmir India has consistently maintained that J&K is an integral part of India.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:29am
Seriously?? Obama calls him and this is the main point he raised... that India should not become a permanent member of the SC! Why doesn't he focus on Pakistan and trade instead of worrying about India's rising status
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Feb 13, 2015 06:31am
Some Pakistanis might find the statement 'bold and inspiring', but the bottom line is - Pakistan should improve the relations with India in order to save itself. P-5 endorsed India's permanent membership and so did many countries including those in OIC. Nawaz Sharif's statement lacks basic logic and knowledge on contemporary international politics.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:33am
@Dasingh... yes, those really care Pakistan who knows the impacts of a nuclear explosion.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:36am
Pakistan says about UN resolution but the first condition in UN resolution is that Pakistan will remove its all forces from Kashmir.
They talk about Kashmir but they were the creater of this problem. You sent the Kabailis there who raped and killed Kashmiris. it was Pakistan who broke stand still agreement. it was India who went to UN not Pakistan.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:36am
convince all weather friend first!! they already approved, perhaps /nawaz couldn't tell china hence he called Obama and published in news so that China gets the hint.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:42am
@Shaneeza : "If India is given permanent membership of UN, Pakistan will permanently break all diplomatic, business and personal ties with the current permanent members - China, France, Russia, U.K and USA. That would mean no embassies of these countries in Pakistan, and no Pakistani embassies in these countries."
That would also mean NO aid to Pakistan from anyone. Are your leaders ready to sacrifice the goodies? Are you Raheel or Nawaz Shareef to make that call?
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Feb 13, 2015 06:51am
Absolutely. Pakistan must use its veto power in the UNSC to not accept India as a permanent member of the UNSC!
Meanwhile, it was reported that Obama fell off the chair ROTFL after the call with Nawaz Sharif giving him his orders.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:54am
Why doesn't Pakistan also make a fuss about United States not having fulfilled all UN resolutions?
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Feb 13, 2015 06:56am
I am not sure Pakistan has veto power to reject India's UNSC seat and UN & world power do not need Pakistan's approval. Diplomatic answer would have been that Pakistan will support India's UNSC seat after it takes positive action to resolve UN resolutions but Pakistan does not have career diplomats to use proper language and make peace with its neighbours. It will be good for Asia and 3rd world countries to have more say in UN affairs. I wish Pakistan becomes part of the solution.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:56am
Nawaz Sharif reiterated to Obama the geo-strategic importance of Pakistan that he must keep in mind if the US supports India's bid for permanent membership of the UNSC.
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Feb 13, 2015 06:58am
Im indian but frankly i dont want india to get UNSC seat. Not at least till we are a nation at par with remaining UNSC countries in terms of poverty, education, infrastructure etc. And i really want indian govt and politicians to STOP begging for UNSC seat and rather earn it. Let us take india to a point where it becomes a necessity for UNSC to have india as a member.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:02am
@Sonny Afridi "China will probably flex its muscles and lobby against it to"
China actually has openly supported India's case for a permanent seat in UN security council.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:05am
Pakistan did not want Indian nuclear deal with US.
Pakistan did not want Indian presence in Afghanisan....
I wonder who would take decisions regarding India Internationally !
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Feb 13, 2015 07:08am
And Pakistan's all weather friend CHINA supports India's inclusion in UNSC
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Feb 13, 2015 07:11am
I am really worried now. Pakistan has told US that India should not get a UNSC membership. Now there is no chance for India
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Feb 13, 2015 07:11am
haha! as if the world will listen to pakistan on issues of global security. Rememeber abottabad? remember nuclear proliferation?
what a joke!
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Feb 13, 2015 07:13am
LOL now we Indians are getting worried.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:18am
@shamain LOL Pakistani passport was one of the least acceptable last time I checked. Ever wonder why ?
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Feb 13, 2015 07:20am
Mr. NS, did Obama ask you about your opinion or it was a free advice to him.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:24am
@Salman Shah Send Modi the bill for sarees. It's over due.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:26am
Nawaz ji, Modi reads Dawn, you know. Rest is up to you.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:32am
Interesting.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:32am
@Shaneeza Happy no visa for Pakistan and India will get more,common you must become PM of Pakistan and I pray that you must achieve it
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Feb 13, 2015 07:37am
I actually feel sorry for him. He wanted peace but we have taken tougher instance. But it is really not our fault. Last time we ventured to find peace and got stabbed in back.
Until we (India) start talking to all power centers in Pak, peace cannot be reached. Here again we have taken a stand to only talk to civilian government. That give ample room to other to derail the peace process.
In near future, I don't see merging of power centers in Pak or change in our policy to talk to your Army directly or change in tougher stand of our government. So in a nutshell we will not sit together in any meaningful way to find peace.
Loss of life around these vicious circles is now norm rather than exception. Sad.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:37am
No one should have veto Power, it is only used to support appartheid & human rights abuses of Countries like Israel. but I think India will get it.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:39am
His own military chief didn't listen to him in 1999 !!!
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Feb 13, 2015 07:40am
@AW Just go on google and find out UN resolution. It's real eye opener.And you'll find how much you were misled.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:40am
So its pakistan to decide what India will do now?
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Feb 13, 2015 07:41am
@Dasingh Pakistan is one of the very important members of UN, and sure the world cares about Pakistan's opinion. Pakistan represents 160 million people. So wake up ...and live in the real world.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:46am
@Muhammad Farooq, ON, Canada A guy from Canad, who could reach any media talks as ignorant. Just go on google and read the resolution on Kashmir.And you gonna have deep cols sigh.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:47am
First of all BRICS is an out of date and foolish concept that is no more viable as you cannot ignore Pakistan, Turkey, Indonesia, Vietnam, UAE, Argentina and several other emerging markets. 2ndly India is dreaming if it thinks that Pakistan's opinion does not matter. Pakistan reflect a group of nations besides itself. And being a nuclear power with one of the strongest military powers in the world and one of the most populous nation only a fool can ignore The Heart of Asia: Pakistan the crossroads of the world. There was a reason why Obama called Pakistan's PM
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Feb 13, 2015 07:48am
UN is a puppet of the US and it is the UWN i.e. United Western Nations for their interests. Pakistan needs to tell UN that we do not look forward to UN for fulfilling its responsibilities because we understand it is a hoax.
When Muslims will unite, we will not beg for justice and fairness.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:50am
What a coincidence? The day Chinese FM came to Pakistan, Obama remembered to call NS, hey buddy how you doing? ;), yep it was all friendly talk.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:50am
ANY country that does not abide by UN Resolutions SHOULD be censured by the UN, and not be eligible to serve on the UNSC as a rotating OR permanent member. Otherwise it is a club of gunda's.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:50am
Look at the photograph it looks obama says shut up.its none of ur business.beggers cant b choosers.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:51am
Short sighted approach by Pakistan. NS opinion does not matter. He should have said GOP would support India's bid, if both countries establish good relations. In reality it wouldn't matter as Big 5 are paying lip service to score diplomatic points. No body shares power voluntarily.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:54am
Have a great news. President Oba called General Raheel and assured him that the U.S. will not support India for becoming permanent member. He apologized for the confusion in Pakistan caused by his remarks in India.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:54am
Indication of failure of Foreign policy, need to revamped Federal public service commission so only the competent & career oriented people serve Pakistan interest across diplomatic world. Retired Army personnel, politicians and their family friends appointment on such key positions has cause this.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:54am
Anything surprising about this news?
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Feb 13, 2015 07:54am
@Sonny Afridi hahahaha sonny afridi china even not allow muslims population to particepate in eid or ramadan fast and world know how china treat all his population of democratic supporter and why u people so depend upon china what are you can do thats matter
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Feb 13, 2015 07:58am
china has yesterday given statement ahead of pm narendra modi's vist to china in may 2015 that china will support india as permanent unsc member.india has support of usa,europe,russia,japan and now china.pakistan should understand that pakistans acceptance or rejectance will have no bearing on india as india is not comparable to pakistan either in size,population,international clout,military power or economy
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Feb 13, 2015 07:58am
Fine. Then please resign from UN membership in protest. After all this must be Pakistan's principled position, just like it's numerous other principled positions. Go on, for once be a man and resign on position of principle.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:58am
endians say they arent bothered haha look at them fallin over each other frustrated over PMs comments, hota hai hota. And look at the people who claim to be competitors of china and strong rivals, everyy single post begins with China is there with us ,china supports us... China nay poochna bhi nai hai
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Feb 13, 2015 07:59am
@Ghaznavi : "If India is granted a permanent seat in the security council, Pakistan should quit UN. Pakistan must make this very clear to the world community now"
I'm sure the world community will miss Pakistan's annual speech at the UN, raising the Kashmir issue.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:00am
I said it once and I'll say it again. Who cares? The US supports India's bid? Lol
The same US that ignores the UN and UN resolutions? The same US whose best friend Israel has ignored over 100 UN resolutions? Again who cares its a worthless and useless organization. Might as well join the League of Nations.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:01am
@Black Sabbath "That would also mean NO aid to Pakistan from anyone. Are your leaders ready to sacrifice the goodies? Are you Raheel or Nawaz Shareef to make that call?"
We can always take aid from Germany. Australia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Turkey, Iran. We won't have problem of getting aid. Don't worry we won't need to come to India for an aid. P
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Feb 13, 2015 08:02am
@Abdul Malik@shamain LOL Pakistani passport was one of the least acceptable last time I checked. Ever wonder why ?"
Remember what obama said before leaving endia.endia protect your religious minorities. Ever remember what he said recently enhance relations with neighbours
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Feb 13, 2015 08:03am
" The prime minister said India cannot become a UNSC permanent member due to its non-compliance of all the resolutions passed by UN regarding Kashmir " . This statement is factually incorrect . Yes the UN resolution calls for a plebiscite . But it imposes 2 conditions before that stage comes . The very first is that Pakistan withdraws all of its regular and non regular troops from Kashmir . Has Pakistan done this ? By refusing to withdraw its troops from Kashmir it is actually Pakistan who is not following the UN resolution . Only after Pakistan withdraws its troops from Kashmir is India supposed to do so ( but it is allowed to keep some residual forces behind for security ) . Only after these 2 steps is a plebiscite possible . I do not understand why even journalists and news anchors do not point this out ?
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Feb 13, 2015 08:03am
Mein na manoo! So what if Pakistan does not "accept" India as a permanent member of the UNSC? The US for many years did not accept PRC's existence. And many Muslim countries do not accept that Israel exists. If US, China and Russia (its oldest ally) support it, would UK and France oppose? Nawaz Sharif and his cheerleaders are welcome to sulk,
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Feb 13, 2015 08:05am
Very funny picture with the article. It seems like Obama is yelling at Nawaz Sharif who seems to be saying "Thand Rakho....things are under control".
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Feb 13, 2015 08:09am
@Omar
Have you read the UN Resolution? There are several of them. Can you e even name which one you are referring to? Or are you simply parroting the refrain?
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Feb 13, 2015 08:12am
@Denis Kidwell even if it were true, how does that help. Entire reason for pakistan's existence is to show Muslims are superior and cannot co-exist in a secular India. India cannot maintain a Secular Democracy without Kashmir. If Kashmir cedes from india because majority of Kashmiris are muslims, 25 millions, what would happen to 165 millions of muslims living in rest of India.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:13am
@Shaneeza Awesome .. Then you can invite some more Arab to hunt endangered birds !!
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Feb 13, 2015 08:16am
Who listens to pakistan nowadays?.....with 1.25 billion people india is the elephant in the room. Its enonmy size
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Feb 13, 2015 08:16am
BTW Pakistan is the only country which opposes India's permanent membership. Just 1 out of all 196 countries. Great, you're the only country in the world wwith all prudence and wisdom, the world is just stupid.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:20am
Empty chairs vote us Sharif! Don't get so blind with hate
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Feb 13, 2015 08:20am
Pakistan is epicenter of global terrorism...Mr. Sharif needs to work on fixing it!
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Feb 13, 2015 08:22am
@Shaneeza : "We can always take aid from Germany. Australia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Turkey, Iran. We won't have problem of getting aid"
Qaid-e-Azam Jinnah would be proud of you!
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Feb 13, 2015 08:22am
On what moral ground Bharat expects to become permanent member off UNSC ? It has repeatedly violated UN resolution, promised to hold plebiscite in Kashmir and then reneged.Under the watch of present PM, Narendra Modi when he was CM of Gujarat 2000 Muslims were massacred. Kashmir is under the occupation of 1/2 million Bharati troops. It is a neo colonial power. Having over a billion population and stockpile of nuclear weapons is no criteria to claim a seat on UNSC. Bharat is a regional power, a delusional power where some states in Bharat Union are as impoverished as poorest states of Africa.By becoming a permanent member of UNSC, Bharat wants to advance its hegemony over next door neighbours. Pakistan should challenge Bharat's candidacy for such a coveted position.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:23am
@Ghaznavi then how u will get aid?
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Feb 13, 2015 08:27am
India should hold plebicite in kashmir provided pakistan agrees to take back all jihadis living in India.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:33am
@Sonny Afridi : what about tibet and chinese human rights records ?
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Feb 13, 2015 08:33am
First Time Pakistan made a global thing "Global JOKE" Hah haa haaaaaaa
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Feb 13, 2015 08:34am
Mr. Nawaz, but doing like this in UN, how do you expect good friendship and co-operation from India ?
65 years we passed as separate country. Please grow-up, and bring peace.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:37am
@Shaneeza : "We can always take aid from Germany. Australia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Turkey, Iran. We won't have problem of getting aid."
But all these countries you named above have already pledged their support to India's bid for permanent membership of the UNSC along with many other countries. Pakistan is the only country which opposes India's bid (Source: Wikipedia). Now what?
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Feb 13, 2015 08:37am
Who asked pakistan for support? All the permanent members of UNSC are supporting India.Pakistan will be left alone as always.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:41am
@Sonny Afridi
For your information: China already announced today that it will support India and Brazil to become permanent members of UNSC
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Feb 13, 2015 08:45am
No one care about pakistan thoughts. you Pakistani still crying over
Kashmir. India will get the seat soon or later.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:52am
@shamain And what about peshwar, karachi, wagh, balochistan, NWFP all endians, start thinking with your head
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Feb 13, 2015 08:52am
@nimesh whats in spelling?
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Feb 13, 2015 08:55am
@Sonny Afridi and you think Pakistan and China has the best human rights records in the world. BTW china is in support of India's UNSC membership.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:58am
the prime minister made it clear upon the US president..
Wowwww!!!!
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Feb 13, 2015 09:01am
Even before China could become a permanent member of UNSC, India was offered the position which it declined due to Nehru's Non-Alignment Movement (NAM). So the permanent seat went to China.
Now however, India realises the importance of UNSC permanent seat and would be getting it no matter what anyone says. US, Europe, China, Russia and Arab countries will support India for the UNSC seat.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:01am
OK, do not accept.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:05am
Well, to be fair if Pakistan plays its card right then probably India will never have a chance to become a permanent member of the United Nations. First Pakistan vote counts, second Pakistan has to make it clear to all the other brother countries ahead of time that vote for India would be a permanent damage to their brotherly relation with Pakistan. Pakistanis will never accept it. Provide solid reasoning regarding Kashmiri issue to them so they can speak the same language. Third, Pakistan can convince China and probably few other countries, but don’t count on it, stick with first and second and you should be ok.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:06am
Pakistan is not permanent member of UN. How they will be oppose against india. Pakistan has always anti-india stance and india must be retaliate.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:06am
Funny, everyday...
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Feb 13, 2015 09:07am
And to end the conversion Mr. Obama offered Pakistan permanent membership of DNIC (Divided Nations Insecurity Council). Mr Nawaz gracefully accepted the grand offer stating that it was a nice proposal as Pakistan is already first and sole member of Insecurity Conference Against India.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:10am
@Ghani Khan (KPK) not 2000 but 800. 400 Hindus also lost their lives.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:12am
@imtyazz india will open full control on Kashmir . If pakistan love Kashmir then why they give to china . First they get return from china and let's talk move on.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:13am
Like China, India represents over a billion people and permanent membership of the United Nation Security Council can not be denied to it.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:16am
I don't care and believe what NS says, as dont know what really was spoken. What matters is what Obama thinks and even NS knows that US administration will not read or listen to the news in pakistan hence just say whatever suits to ppl of Pakistan. yesterday Iron ore mines today this message, Some expected storm may be coming for ppl of Pakistan.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:18am
@nakheel becase we are free and indians and not Pakistani.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:22am
For the ppl of Kashmir??? wait.. first see your own country whats happening there.. make them happy n then talk abt Kashmir.. u r helping the separatist by money and giving them a dream to become the leader of Kashmir. Pakistan should earn respect first. I have seen in KSA, UAE and Iraq that how the Arabs see them. They even do not believe that they r original muslims. In Arab country Indians have more respect either its a Hindu or Muslim. So first earn respect for your own people then talk abt Kashmir.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:25am
China - Tibet an issues with neighbors on borders
Russia - Ukraine Issue
Some of the UNSC members still have unresolved border dispute still unsc members.
No one can stop India in joining UNSC.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:31am
growth brings prosperity and power whether we accept it or not like it or not. India is growing phenomenally permanent membership of UNSC is a matter of time only
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Feb 13, 2015 09:40am
UNSC issue apart, i don't get Pakistan's antagonism towards India...If its about the alleged suffering of Muslims in Kashmir - then US and even fellow Muslims have killed and plundered far more of them - there is never such extreme sentiment towards them!
if its about Kashmir - Primary reason for Kashmiri suffering is because of consistent instability due to jihadi terrorism exported from outside of India... There are other Muslim dominated regions in India which have thrived and are as much a part of national identity.
Fact is Indian will never allow it to separate, call it national pride - just like Balochistan is for Pakistan or Tibet for China, and if Kashmirs allow progress and development and do not allow their generation to be instigated by imported jihad they will realize they are as Indian as anywhere else.
Why cant Pakistan(is) let go of the idea of imagined monster called India, and allow cooperation from both sides of border.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:44am
This statement does amuse us. Countries obtain such memberships by virtue of their strength and stature. And for the role they play in world affairs. Admission to the Security council is, therefore, not by seeking the permission of a neighbor.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:47am
Just like pakistan will not accept operation of american drone inside pakistani territory. ;)
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Feb 13, 2015 09:48am
Atleast, if the other, "Finger on the Button" Sharif had said it, someone might have looked up.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:49am
O yar..someone give the copy of UN resolution to Mr. PM.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:54am
Pakistan? What Pakistan?
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Feb 13, 2015 09:56am
Does Pakistan's voice matter in international matters? Who is going to support you? Can you please name one country?
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Feb 13, 2015 09:58am
Why this obsession about India's merit for UNSC please ? UN resolution on Kashmir was in 1957 when it had very few members. Much waters have flowed in Indus since then. I wish to again invite the kind attention of all to the suggestions of Sh Haqqani, former ambassador of Pakistan to UN.
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Feb 13, 2015 09:58am
Nawaz Sharif? Who? I think Pakistan is run by Gen.Raheel. Does any country invite your PM?
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Feb 13, 2015 10:01am
Who is Pakistan to decide to accept or not accept India?
Isn't it funny? It is called self gratification.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:07am
US dictates terms to Pakistan in exchange for dollars.Most of the time Pakistani politicians and generals kneel down in Washington and display a pseudo bravado in Pakistan on return.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:07am
You give us kashmir and we won't have any on SC Permanant seat.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:09am
@Pankaj And will be continuously exported.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:10am
@kalim Littlebit correction. ' Well done puppet PM'.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:11am
if usa dont agree to pak they will take usa off the world map mr obama you cannot bully pakistan
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Feb 13, 2015 10:11am
India does not care what Pakistan says ... India already knows that Pakistan will never support for permanent membership of India in the UNSC. Pakistan has no veto power at all ....lets accept the truth
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Feb 13, 2015 10:13am
@Manoj
Nothing happens next 10 years
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Feb 13, 2015 10:13am
@mimi sur Wow! I knew this for the first time. If that is the case, then why Pakistan is so scarred and shivering by mere a thought of India being a permanent member?
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Feb 13, 2015 10:15am
It is just a courtesy call 'during' Chinese FM visit and not to know you opinion on India's permanent membership on UNSC.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:15am
@Warrior Bin Qasim And therefore stop crying.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:17am
Lol... indians need to look into UN Resolution then their status will b clear
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Feb 13, 2015 10:19am
@nakheel No we feel sorry for people like you.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:20am
even pakistan does accepts it...india wil be succesfull in getting permanent MEMBERSHIP UNSC...china and US have supported it..so keep crying pakistan...
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Feb 13, 2015 10:21am
Mr. Sharif...It is India who went in UNO on 31 dec 1947 for sake of piece even Indian army had the power to throw Lasker send by Pak in J&K in 1947....But Pak refused to withdraw its forces from PoK which prerequiscite of Plebiscite. Since pak scare about kashmiri & Sheikh Abdulla's support to India...So Pak want it forcefully neither got King support nor got kashmiri support...But still bidding for J&K...
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Feb 13, 2015 10:23am
@Rashid That's the only option you have.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:26am
@Tony Instead of talking to Obama regarding Kashmir, Nawaz Sharif could have talked about ways and means to eradicate polio from Pakistan.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:27am
fun to see sarcasm on each other across the border. love hate flipflopping amongst each other. :D
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Feb 13, 2015 10:28am
That's why we are not talking to you GFY
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Feb 13, 2015 10:29am
@Osama Mohamed Seduqqi Why do you forget its two best friend - Iran and North Korea ?
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Feb 13, 2015 10:32am
Jealousy at the highest point
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Feb 13, 2015 10:32am
Monim, USA How does it benefit Pakistan? When Our foreign minister was in China, India tested ICBM Agni 5 which can reach in the most remote corner of China.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:35am
@common man And a confused man always fails.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:38am
@Black Sabbath Who needs whom? If my English is not bad, then you want to convey that these countries need you, not you need them.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:39am
@Ali Kamal even pakistan does accepts it...india wil be succesfull in getting permanent MEMBERSHIP UNSC...china and US have supported it..so keep crying pakistan...
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Feb 13, 2015 10:41am
@kalim Nawaz Sharif is an NRI. He will cave in!
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Feb 13, 2015 10:43am
This time pakistan is going to loose much more then east pakistan
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Feb 13, 2015 10:43am
Obama will certainly listen to Mr Sharief's advice as the USA is heavily dependant on Pakistan for aid.
Please Wake up Pakistan .. why spoil your standing among the comity of nations by making such statements... how would Pak be looked upon by other countries when India finally get its deserved seat..
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Feb 13, 2015 10:45am
@Ghaznavi Oh really.. Then why keep chanting un resolution on Kashmir if you find un as useless country. Your country is most confused country on the earth whose policies are contradicting's at every level. During indo us nuclear deal you made so much of noise against it. First argument was India is not a not signatory. But later that was diluted say that if you give to India we too need. So the first argument became irrelevant.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:45am
To all people from across the border....Guys don't be obsessed all the time with Pakistan...What do you think you guys are becoming? just sit tight and let the time decide what is going to happen
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Feb 13, 2015 10:48am
@Dip Pakistan is known for poll riggings. Ask imran khan.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:50am
General Raheel please tell China and US not to support India on UNSC seat. They won't refuse you.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:52am
INDIA will become member of UNSC amid PAK and other tiny countries opposition .no doubt in it . Majority of nations supporting INDIA
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Feb 13, 2015 10:54am
Difference of approach, India never says & rejects Pakistani progress(Pak should develop itself if it have Guts)
While Pakistan is trying to oppose India? Did Pakistani friend forgot ICC BIG-3 Issue? It was Pakistan who bow to India ultimately.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:59am
Free Kashmir, Get UNSC membership India...
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Feb 13, 2015 11:03am
Obama will never call NS again. He may have wanted to talk about Pakistan and he had talk about India with a Pakistan PM.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:03am
lol. Nawaz has to be the most useless / corrupt person in the world to really care.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:09am
NS is better advised to muster enough UN votes to prevent India from becoming a member of UNSC. Otherwise simply; he is selling what all other politicians have sold to Pakistanis all along - "acting tough on Kashmir".
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Feb 13, 2015 11:12am
as if we indians cared for pakistan's 'support'
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Feb 13, 2015 11:16am
@Nasir and what does these brotherly countries get from Pakistan in return? just calls for more donations.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:17am
Forget about NSG. Pak will surely beat India in the match on 15-2-2015!
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Feb 13, 2015 11:19am
@shafqatmir you are raising your voice from 65 year and fighting three war over Kashmir issue. Kashmir issue will be resolved through mutual understanding , not crying on multiple platform , no country has right to dictate or undermine the foreign policy oi India. not china nor america ,nor united kingdom has right to saying anything to India on Kashmir issue. India want to work with Pakistan through peaceful dislodge for development of south Asia region but not want to change border of country in any condition. so Kashmir issue will be resolve out of box thinking that is suggested by both side of people.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:21am
@Riaz No problem sir , India is working in very smooth manner and keep pressure on world community. any problem has not occurred for India on UN platform.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:21am
@Dasingh no one can be member of UNSC if even one member of the voting council objects. Told you, India will go no where unless pakistan allows it. Issue going no where.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:22am
@Hari China has said it will not support India , for its own reasons and pakistans. A non starter before it started.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:23am
@Ghaznavi Does anybody ever listen to you??
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Feb 13, 2015 11:23am
@Manoj we waited and nothing happened.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:24am
@shamain Lot of spelling mistakes. Grow up man and yr country.......
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Feb 13, 2015 11:26am
Pakistan should highlight India's close cooperation with Israel and get all OIC , China and Pakistan to vote against India, until it obeys and learns to honour its own UN resolutions on KASHMIR.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:29am
Well done PM, unless India learns to honour its own commitments, and Kashmir issue is resolved, India will never get any seat. India is cornered, hahahaha. Choice, kashmir plebiscite or seat! Well done Pakistan. Told you the time is coming for its resolution.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:30am
Pakistan once again will find itself isolated, which will be replied back by shelling on borders and then claiming next morning "India resorted to unprovoked firing on Border and government has taken notice of it"...
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Feb 13, 2015 11:30am
Pakistan's objection to India becoming a part of UNSC is not based on a sense of morality for the Kashmir issue or the UN resolutions. Its just the "mujhe bhi chahiye" attitude. If Pakistan were to be offered support for the UNSC permanent membership, suddenly everything would be fine. Ditto for the membership of the NSG. If India has it, Pakistan must have it.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:30am
@Nasir Just name those brother countries . you dont get support of even 5 countries against India
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Feb 13, 2015 11:37am
@shafqatmir
If you are really sincere, then can you tell why did you annexe PoK ?
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Feb 13, 2015 11:39am
@Zak have you even read UN resolution.. acc to it pak was first asked to take out troop from pak occcuipied kashmir n give it to india which it rejected then after shimla agreement UN resolution is null
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Feb 13, 2015 11:41am
What happened to your close ally & friend China? Now China also supports India's UNSC membership. If all 5 permanent member supports India in UNSC, who would listen Pakistan?
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Feb 13, 2015 11:41am
@Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad
Doctor sahib,
You and all others who keep raising the UN resolutions keep forgetting the fact about Shimla Agreement. Is that selective amnesia or since you don't trust Pakistani democratic governments and the accords they've signed ?
And when will you have the courage to talk about Pak Occupied Kashmir, if at all you can ?
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Feb 13, 2015 11:47am
Mr Nawaz is forgetting that the voting of UNSC reform will take place in UNGA general assembly forum not on UNSC forum and there 2/3rd is needed and India already has much more than this simple 2/3 needed and may not even need China's support but still India wants China too support it.And pakistan knows what its condition in UNGA where no one listen to PM Nawaz speech and mostly empty hall but during PM Modi house is full and even he got standing ovations,So that the status and diplomatic soft power of India and sooner pakistan understand it is better.Even China now supports India fearing isolation if they didn't support India as exactly happened in NSG waiver where all nations support India except China and 1-2 more,this made China to rethink that it is alone in opposing India so as a face saver give it up.Doto the same will happen in UNSC reform and realizing India's enormous soft diplomatic clout China too now supporting India and this is 3rd time and more recently one is just yesterday.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:48am
@sporting spirit read Chinese newspaper, it said, membership is a long process and careful consideration has to be given and ALL FACTORS HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ( UN resolutions on KASHMIR), before even considering it. Wow, looks like , ' let's talk about it in 30 years'.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:51am
@Dwaraka nath breaking news: only in Indian newspapers. According to them, they have a seat already, in the back, to be called to serve tea to the big 5, anytime.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:56am
@Raman if you are stupid enough to ask, whether Pakistan has leverage with China, then one can't help you. China for its own reasons will never support India, as it does not deserve it. Economically, militarily, socially a failure, and most of all a violator of UNSC resolutions cannot be its upholder. UN does not practise indian ethics, where a murderer and law breaker becomes the PM.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:57am
:D :D :D.......never meet Nawaz....but seems like a funny man.....good joke Nawaz... :D :D :D
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Feb 13, 2015 11:59am
@Akshya Then you should get lost and dont act as an imposter in disguise.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:59am
@Cyrus Ho and China said no, in their own words, Russia fuddled and US makes promises, but never keeps them. Enjoy the euphoria in India, while it lasts as a discussion point only. Now, about the UN resolutions on Kashmir......
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Feb 13, 2015 11:59am
@Mustafa J. Bhai try to understand the UN resolutions first and please explain on this forum your understanding.My understanding is simple.Pakistan is to clear the occupied part of Kashmir first and only then India should move out most of its army.India should maintain a minimum force to ensure that no further intrusions are carried out by Kabileese backed by Pakistani regular troops.Only then a plebiscite should be carried out under the close supervision of UN observers.To date Pakistan has failed to clear the part of Kashmir occupied since 1947.So how can you expect India to move forward?
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Feb 13, 2015 12:00pm
What can u guys anyways do??? just rant about it ...right....our India is going to be on UNSC and it is going to b superpower in few years......u hv losers mentality of not letting other go ahead...instead think of u going ahead...this mentality of urs has brought ur nation to what it is today...my country will continue on path of progress...n inshallah we will b super power..
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Feb 13, 2015 12:04pm
@ghanshyam agreed. Set the date for plebiscite.dont be scared
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Feb 13, 2015 12:06pm
@ravi good idea- Pakistan should ask for permanent seat on UNSC, tie our demand to India's. They get if we get, we don't get, they don't get. Good solution.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:09pm
Part of plan, for Obama to fulfil his promise to resolve Kashmir by plebiscite. Choice to India : kashmir plebiscite or Support for UNSC seat. The game is coming to its conclusion.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:09pm
@Zak " ALL FACTORS HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ( UN resolutions on KASHMIR)"
You seems talking on behalf of China and putting words in China's mouth.For me i think that when China says ALL FACTORS HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT,then it might be in relation to they are more concerned about Japan who is also seeking permanent membership rather than Kashmir or India which they had nothing to do with.This statement by China seems very much looking after China's own concern regarding Japan rather than pakistans concern,pakistan has to solve its own problem which was said by Chine several times earlier.But i seriously doubt that China can stop Japan or pakistan can stop India.These G4 is eventually get in.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:19pm
@UD Ok you free Balochistan and Gilgit baltistan and we will give you Kashmir.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:36pm
@khalid you are absolutely right.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:40pm
Oh obama is still under Pakistani fear..
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Feb 13, 2015 12:54pm
The basics of the UN is very subjective. Things have changed, but the UN does not have the mechanism within to make it more effective. UN is a tool of the powerful to be used as and when convenient. Consider Collin Powell's presentation on Iraq's nuclear capability. What a joke he made of himself, even now people consider him to be more clown than general, and where did this drama take place, the UN. It is a place where "world leaders" show why they are indeed "world leaders", for the whole world to see, how to put up an act.
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Feb 13, 2015 12:55pm
Pakistan shud leave Kashmir issue. I am a Kashmiri Muslim youth and dont have any problem with India. Yeah we have some problems thats same with every country, every country has problems. Kashmir is very much part of India and we are Indians. so Pakistan shud think about its own people than politicse Kashmir that it has been doing since 50`s. Whatever state today Kashmir is in(read terrorism), it is all because of Pakistan`s policies and training camps that it runs for terrorist. Stop exploiting my brothers and sisters here and training them to do terrorist activities. India is our home. Take care of urself first....
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Feb 13, 2015 01:11pm
Pakistan's all weather friend wants to see India should be a permanent Member UN and then how can Pakistan object : who cares Pakistan? India is a beautiful nation in all means this is word of President Obama and India gets respect from all sides of the world
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Feb 13, 2015 01:16pm
@Hari @Dasingh If no one cares then why Obama has ask NS for Pakistan's opinion, Pakistan is a very important country and you cant judge it due to your perceive prejudice
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Feb 13, 2015 01:44pm
Hi my friends and brothers there in Pakistan. I want to just clear few things to you. We here do not have problems as its told to you in Pakistan. India is a vibrant secular democracy. Everyone, not withstanding his religion, has equal rights here. Thats why Mh. Azzurraduin, Tiger Pataudi were Indias captain, Indias missiles are developed by Abdul Kalam, who later became Indias President. Today Indias vice President is Muslim. There are many many more examples. You have just been exploited by your leaders to keep their profiles high. Every one in world, all world leaders including yours know this. You are bluffed in name of Indian Muslim and Kashmir. India has more muslims then entire Pakistan n we leave a great life here. Kashmir is a problem created by Pakistan, Pakistan views it as problem, were as India views it as one of its state. So whaterver you guys are doing now, belive it or not like it or not, you are looking like a fool; were as everyonr else, including we here in India, are leaving a good life, and you are struggling for basic amenties. No one from outside India can and should represent us(Indian Muslims). You fight for your own problems. We dont need you.
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Feb 13, 2015 01:52pm
Why waste our time in petty quarrels with each other when a lot of sensible people are already quite convinced that all
nationalism is a scourge.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:00pm
UNSC permanent seat for India has no value for India or Pakistan unless we learn to peacefully coexist. Together we can change the world of science, technology, literature, arts. Imagine SAARC countries together, same currency, no visa to visit each others country. Sounds like an Utopian dream. But, we should strive hard towards that direction in 21st century. If that happens Kashmir issue or any other land dispute will become immaterial. The propaganda machinery of our Governments will keep on feeding information which will suit its foreign policy and long term strategic interest, but we as common citizens of the two countries should think about the plight of our future generation rationally without any sense of vengeance or hatred against each other.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:03pm
Which headline would be better for Pakistan: "Pakistan will not accept India as UNSC permanent member: Nawaz" or "I will not accept India as UNSC permanent member: Asif"? Where progress is concerned there is room for optimism.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:12pm
@Zak yes zak you are right. I wrote that whole comment dawn didnt publish. China hasnot supported endia.it is as usual endian media spreading false news. they dont understand the whole psychlogical tactics through media dont work with china. They arent some emotional dodos and the world does live outside of bollywood. And one more thing china and everyone knows endia is a regional bully and has bad relations with every neighbour. Just cuz of china srikanka relations they meddled in srilankan current elections. No single nation in neighbourhood even burma nepal are easy with endia , for the bullying a landlocked territory nepal faces. And it is same nepal whose gurkhas inducted in endin army regiments are a source of pride for endians. even obama had to say improve relations with neighbours. How on earth will china support endias seat???
Is this what un and obma has come to, to awarding seat to a regional bully in unsc??
Un has to be way many notches down in dumps, not that its any better,case in point, kshmir palestine issues; to allow a seat to a warmongeing nation
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Feb 13, 2015 02:16pm
@Warrior Bin Qasim Please put all your efforts towards this cause and you will see your desire for Kashmir will Disappear.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:33pm
@lalit sharma We in India don't want any part of it Let Afghanistan and
Iran share it between after USA/Israel have removed there nuclear stock.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:33pm
@Fazal Why Germani,Japan and Brazil will work with Pakistan. Does Pakistan is super economy or military power? For your kind information Germany,Japan ,Brazil ,South Africa/Nigeria and India from each continent has formed a group to pressurise UNSC to contain this nations since UNSC till now has been face of Western nations only.
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Feb 13, 2015 04:07pm
@shamain No idea which world are u leaving in....India has good releations with every one in SAARC except Pak....n thats Paks problem. Everyone in world is trying to be friends with India coz they know its the next superpower. Pak cant handle all of this, so u come up with this stories to keep urself happy. Losers...
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Feb 13, 2015 04:11pm
Exactly the way you guys don't accept that Pakistan lost the 65 war?
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Feb 13, 2015 04:33pm
@Fazal
india is the third largest economy after US and china on PPP basis. india complied with all UN resolutions even on Kashmir it is waiting for Pakistan to comply as per the said resolution. please read these facts before commenting
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Feb 13, 2015 04:51pm
@Haqparast Obama didn't call to ask pakistan's opinion but he called to enquire about loan payments your country hasn't paid. He also advised that no more loan until you pay your pending installments. Lol
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Feb 13, 2015 05:22pm
@Shaneeza Pakistan only will at receiving end by this! Trouble ahead..!
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Feb 13, 2015 05:30pm
@Dasingh read about coffe group
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Feb 13, 2015 06:05pm
@Dr. Fahwad Shaik if you choose to post using muslim name haha spell it right. It is fawad shaikh, haha
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Feb 13, 2015 06:05pm
China says will back India for UN Security Council permanent membership..!! sorry your long last friend backed india in UNSC...!!
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Feb 13, 2015 06:22pm
@Ghaznavi Already Pakistan is in the brink of isolation, and you want to quit UN? This is called Zaid Hamid's "Gairatmandi"
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Feb 13, 2015 07:02pm
Biggest stupid act!!
India need clearance from 5 current permanent members and 2/3 majority, thats it!! Pakistan will be isolated for sure!!
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Feb 13, 2015 07:15pm
@Lafanga You can ask it to China yourself. It has already declared it's support.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:16pm
@khan Funny sarcasm..
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Feb 13, 2015 07:19pm
@Shaneeza Lets hope Pakistan really does that. Good for the rest of world.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:21pm
@Zak Please set the date of fallback of Pakistan from POK. Plebiscite will follow very soon.
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Feb 13, 2015 07:34pm
@shamain Please read a news from other side also
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2937182/China-Russia-India-seat-security-council.html
Then comment.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:12pm
@shaneeza "General Raheel please tell China and US not to support India on UNSC seat. They won't refuse you."
Don't embarrass him in public please.
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Feb 13, 2015 08:15pm
India sends twice peace keeping troops than all 5 permanent members combined; we believe in peace, harmony and compassion
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Feb 13, 2015 08:20pm
@Zak "@Hari China has said it will not support India , for its own reasons and pakistans. A non starter before it started."
I was just reading Wikipedia and found this -
"The African Union also supports India's candidacy for permanent member of UNSC.
India is the only country with support vote of every member of United Nations except Pakistan which officially opposes this move.
Pakistan is the only nation which specifically opposes India's candidacy"
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Feb 13, 2015 08:30pm
@Sonny Afridi I dont think so,pakistanis may be obsessed with india but not china.The chinese only opposes japan,india on the otherhand already got chinese backing through BRICS and RIC..
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Feb 13, 2015 10:06pm
Pakistan has strong leverage over UN, For those Indians trolls who are clueless, Pakistan contribution is biggest when it comes to UN peacekeepers all over the globe, infact global peace missions are running because of Pakistan. UN will be fool to antagonize Pakistan just for the sake of India.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:23pm
This explains what it means to play "Pakistan", be it in carrom, cricket, or.. international politics.
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Feb 13, 2015 10:35pm
I really believe UN should be modernised. We should get rid of the security council and replace it with simple voting. I am surprised that no one is suggesting that?.
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Feb 13, 2015 11:52pm
@Taimoor yes 150000 blue berets sent . Highest ever cotributor to peacekeeping mission
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Feb 14, 2015 12:17am
@jahan plz read the article again
Call was for other matter but pm took it to this n gave his opinion without being asked
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Feb 14, 2015 12:26am
@iTellYou there school doesn't teach them these things
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Feb 14, 2015 12:44am
Who expect pak to support our UN's permanent member but our strength will take us thete
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Feb 14, 2015 02:37am
Pakistan will not accept terror activities on its land.
Pakistan will not accept drone strikes.
Pakistan is an ally on war on terror.
......just one of those things pakistan says occasionally.
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Feb 14, 2015 03:51am
@khalid - A simple voting? How can a nation like Uganda or Somalia have a vote equal to US, germany or India? An indian vote means, vote of 1.4 billion people, 500 million of them highly educated. A Somalia vote means something very different. I am surprised you did not consider that.
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Feb 14, 2015 09:20am
Doesn't seem like Pakistan has much of a say at the UN.
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Feb 14, 2015 09:45am
Neighbours envy ,owners pride.Pakistan should ponder and think why India is able to get the permanent status and why Pakistan is not able to prevent it.The Indians have focussed mainly on progress and growth,unified its immense diversity, displayed its maturity as a responsible power , has not indulged in poking noses in others affairs.So accept the inevitable and take pride in the big brother getting ahead.
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Feb 14, 2015 09:49am
@Arjun if nobody cares, then why Obama rang before and after he visited India to brief him on everything.why is he is taking Pakistan's opinion on UNSC. Why Chinese president is visiting and last but not least, why Indian foreign secretary is come to Islamabad without invitation. Think again
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Feb 14, 2015 09:51am
@zakarta yes
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Feb 14, 2015 09:55am
@Sunil USA OIC, Pakistan, China, Iran will say no, until kashmir is resolved. See OIC resolutions on kashmir and condemnation of India. Those dependent on OPEC will say no, as well. So it's a dead issue.
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Feb 14, 2015 10:03am
What can Pakistan do? Resign from the UN membership? All the five permanent members want India to be a member and majority of members will support India's candidature. The only hold up is US desire to bring in Japan and Germany also. Pakistan is no where on the scene.
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Feb 14, 2015 10:06am
what use is a toothless council
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Feb 14, 2015 10:21am
@Vectra these words were spoken, when addressing talk of India trying for UNSC, not Japan's.
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Feb 14, 2015 10:26am
@TrollMeNot and rightfully so.
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Feb 14, 2015 11:29am
@V K Das China said NO! comprehendo!
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Feb 14, 2015 12:25pm
@Hari how can india become a member of UNSC when it has not implemented its resolution on J&K. in fact UN has lost its credibility.
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Feb 14, 2015 12:32pm
agreed india is unfit to be UNSC member
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Feb 14, 2015 12:48pm
@fayaz ahmed becz it pak who rejected ti implment it in 48 not india read resolution
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Feb 14, 2015 01:19pm
as if it is for Pakistan to grant India UNSC permanent member status. Everyone understands that this is for domestic audience. But is the Pakistani public so easily fooled or does Nawaz consider the Pakistani people really stupid. Just imagine the audacity of a nation who blatantly does what it wasnt to do and still thinks that the whole world runs because of them
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Feb 14, 2015 02:35pm
At present China is the only non white country on UNSC. Non white populations should have more representation. In terms of clout other than India, Japan and Germany are serious contenders. India's simmering conflict with Pakistan has brought it before UNSC several times and may do so again, this could be a major hurdle for its application.
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Feb 14, 2015 03:08pm
@Muhammad Farooq, ON, Canada Principal And Pakistan....go tell it to the birds...lol
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Feb 14, 2015 03:46pm
It will be a trade off. Kashmir will get a limited autonomy as envisaged by Farouq Abdullah and India gets a UNSC permanency. Win Win for both. In politics, convenience is the buzz wordl
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Feb 14, 2015 03:55pm
Somalia too said that it would not accept India as a permanent member of the UNSC.
Pakistan and Somalia have teamed up yet again !
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Feb 14, 2015 04:20pm
@Zak Kashmir resolution only meant for pak no one talk about this
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Feb 14, 2015 04:55pm
@Dasingh The world very much knows Pakistan's importance this is why Obama rang Nawaz.
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Feb 14, 2015 05:35pm
@Florida Guru You mentioned almost everything except that India is also the second most populous country in the world. What riles most haters that India has an entire Ocean named after it.....name other country(ies) that share this honour....none come to my mind-correct me if I'm wrong
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Feb 14, 2015 06:59pm
@mimi sur
Veto Power lies only with all permanent members of UNSC.It is true that temporary member's views will be taken into account while deciding the next UNSC seat.But pakistan doesnt belong to either groups
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Feb 14, 2015 08:38pm
@Warrior Bin Qasim LOL
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Feb 14, 2015 08:41pm
India do not deserve UNSC permanent membership.India is a champion in violating Human rights.India PM Modi also called (Butcher of Gujrat) is a Big example of Human right violator.
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Feb 14, 2015 08:47pm
@shamain LOL Then why don't your leaders say it to your prime benefactors US and China ? and why dont these ppl listen to you ? Sad, no ?
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Feb 14, 2015 09:14pm
No problem ...... when the issue is put to vote in the UN, Pakistan should use veto against the proposal .......
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Feb 14, 2015 09:58pm
“India is by no means eligible to become a permanent member of UN,” Nawaz Sarif.
Nawaz Sahib we are very very proud of you.
You are a very very brave leader.
Please make more such statements it will improve our image in this world.Go Ahead do it.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:00am
No one cares about Nawaz Sharif's opinion, not even the Pakistanis, forget about the rest of the world.
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Feb 15, 2015 04:11am
@Shaneeza Dont make India's job easy. If your govt takes this approach, India might get seat earlier than expected
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Feb 15, 2015 06:36am
@Shaneeza Pakistan is going to break off relationship with all the major powers of the world?
Would save a lot of $$$$ for a hard pressed Pakistan. Cannot see any other benefit except for a well aired pique?:):)
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Feb 15, 2015 11:33am
@Shaneeza who will suffer only Pakistan.
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Feb 15, 2015 12:56pm
@Bip He has no leg to stand on. He knows he is at the mercy of his army. He talks rubbish.
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Feb 15, 2015 02:01pm
Don't expect China to abstain and rest of all countries as well, because they all have lot to gain with peace and friendly relationship with India.
Whereas Pakistan is alienating and isolating itself just merely thinking about Kashmir. Army & ISI rule is only what is better and suits it.
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Feb 15, 2015 02:43pm
Pakistan is a failed state. It should stop meddling in the affairs of other countries.
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Feb 15, 2015 03:38pm
Pakistan should not be either afraid of India or it needs nothing to flex its muscle unnecessary. The country,has courageous people, a parliament,a well established middle- class, a new generation of entrepreneurs,skilled manpower, a disciplined army with a nuclear teeth.It maintains a good neighbourly relation with Iran, a strong friend and neighbour China,a workable relation with Afghanistan that is also improving.On the other hand, to all its neighbour India is a suspect.With whom India has normal neighbourly relation? Rather imposed good relation, if one like to describe it.Of course, Pakistan passing hard economic days if we compare with older times.A country does not crumble due to the economic failure.
Rather, political failure is the cause. Look back, patiently one would find the reason of the debacle of 1971.
The best foreign policy is first to give a good government. Geo- politically Pakistan is so important that Both India and USA need Pakistan.They will come to you. So please play politically and take steps judiciously.Think patiently. This time is for Pakistan.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:29pm
India's membership will be totally meaningless unless Pakistan agrees to it.
If India's own neighbor does not accept it's membership, then why will the rest of the world care? If India cannot exert it's influence in it's own immediate neighborhood, then it cannot exert influence anywhere else in the world.
So, go ahead and give India membership, and see if it counts for anything, unless Pakistan agrees to it. India knows this fact.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:52pm
@sanjay only US , Russia and who did I miss, oh, yes- China. Just the few unimportant ones.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:01pm
Commendable action PM...
Pakistan has a right to its opinion no matter how bullish India is and they can only be that way with Pakistan.... in time my neighbours... in time...
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Feb 15, 2015 06:04pm
@shamain agreed. Read how India usurped the independent nation of Sikkim. No one recognizes that occupation just like IOK. India will never get UNSC seat, but US uses it to get India to open its markets, to be looted. But makes Indians happy to fill their empty headed balloons and U.S. the joy of bursting it.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:08pm
@OM sure, on that date IOK gets vacated and Azad kashmir gets vacated. UNMOGIP takes over, to carry out UN sponsored plebiscite. The fairest and most democratic way known so far. Results announced and both countries bound to accept results.Agreed.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:11pm
@ALi he already made it, can't you read. What do they teach you across the border.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:16pm
@Sensible ...and kashmir is an Indian occupied country. We will free it.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:19pm
Great- the two absolute opposites in mind, thought, culture, looks, perceptions- confirms that these two countries are from different spectrums, with nothing in common what so ever. Pakistan could be closer to Bulgaria and India to Japan, but never with each other. A point to understand and digest for Indians.
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Feb 15, 2015 08:52pm
As if anyone in the world worried about Nawaz Sharif's stance on India....
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Feb 15, 2015 09:41pm
@raj retaliate with what-UNSC seat!!!
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Feb 15, 2015 10:04pm
@Rao ...good point, now ask Obama why he is ringing Nawaz to brief him and take his opinion. And China , simply dismissing it, by statement given in Pakistan. The reality, is far too different, from the perceptions fed to you in your country.
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Feb 15, 2015 10:07pm
@Kazim Reza good analysis.
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Feb 15, 2015 10:15pm
@Vishal very good advice. We will and our chances are good, since we are asking to honour the UN resolution, so we abide, while India derides. Who is the better candidate?
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Feb 17, 2015 01:37am
@Black Sabbath With India becoming a permanent member, the UN will be just that , a speech platform. That is why it will make sense to leave the UN.
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Feb 17, 2015 01:38am
@Aman That will be a blessing in disguise. No need for aid, either ways it goes to benefit the corrupt leaders.
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Feb 17, 2015 01:45am
@hindustani "Your country is most confused country on the earth whose policies are contradicting's at every level." Maybe same thing can be said about India. At one hand you portray your nation to be the flag bearers of Gandhian philosophy and at same time your country is on record to have started the nuclear and missile race in the subcontinent. So what is it confusion or bigotry? Out of my utmost respect for the Mahatma , I will give you benefit of doubt and consider it as mere confusion.
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Feb 17, 2015 01:48am
@TrollMeNot "This is called Zaid Hamid's "Gairatmandi" Please no insults just arguments. What you call isolation , I may call a trend setting example. If UN is not reformed to be more inclusive of the weaker nations this is exactly what will constitute a new trend
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