Also Pakistan: The final cut

Published Nov 22, 2012 01:41pm

The Also Pakistan series was to conclude much earlier. But the kind of popular interest that it attracted from readers from within and outside Pakistan, prompted the making of a few more sequels of this photo feature.

It took more than two years to research and to compile this series. Hours were spent going through old newspapers and magazines tucked away safely in Dawn’s archives section. Politicians, sportsmen, artistes and friends were approached to share with us images that would capture the political and cultural zeitgeist of what Pakistan was like between 1947 and 1977.

A Pakistan that was a very different creature compared to what it started to mutate into from the 1980s onwards.

In this final installment of the Also Pakistan series, we share with you the last bits left in the arsenal of images that we were able to collect in the last couple of years.

Images of a strange, alien place that was also called Pakistan.

Previous Parts:

Also Pakistan-I

Also Pakistan-II

Also Pakistan-III

Also Pakistan-IV

Also Pakistan-V

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Rare photo of the founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, shaking hands with future Baloch nationalist leader, Nawab Akbar Bugti, in Quetta, in 1948.

In the 1950s and 1960s, Bugti became a critic of the state and joined Sindhi, Baloch, Bengali and Pashtun nationalists to oppose the government of Pakistan.

In the 1970s however, he sided with the state and the populist government of Z A. Bhutto during the third Balochistan insurgency against the government and the Pakistan Army and was made the Governor of Balochistan.

Twenty years later Bugti once again turned anti-state, and in the early 2000s helped revive an armed insurgency in Balochistan. He was eventually assassinated by the Pakistan military in 2006 in a missile attack.

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The Pakistan hockey team playing against Great Britain at the 1956 Olympics in Melbourne, Australia.

Notice how a Pakistani player is sprinting across the field completely barefooted!

This 1956 Pakistan team that was desperately low on resources and money not only topped its qualifying group in Melbourne, but went on to reach the finals of the tournament where it was beaten by India 1-0 in a closely fought contest.

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Famous Pakistani intellectual, novelist and playwright, Ashfaq Ahmad saying a prayer at the grave of British Romantic poet, Percy Shelly, in 1955.

Ahmad started out as a progressive thinker and writer with a growing interest in Sufism. In the late 1960s he went on to endorse and support Z A. Bhutto’s 'Islamic Socialism’.

In the 1970s during the Z A. Bhutto regime he further rose to become one of the most respected intellectuals and TV playwrights in the country.

Most of his plays of the period revolved around the underlying social tensions between the liberal zeitgeist of the time, the early populist Socialism of the Bhutto regime, and the conservative strain of Islam that had begun to assert itself from 1976 onwards.

By the early 1980s Ahmad grew out of his former progressive and quasi-socialist mould and moved close to the military dictatorship of General Ziaul Haq.

As a playwright he attempted to provide the reactionary dictatorship a more soulful face through his TV plays of the 1980s.

He was hosting a well-received show on the philosophy of Sufism on PTV when he passed away in 2004.

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British fishing enthusiasts show off their big catch at one of Karachi’s many beaches.

This picture was taken in 1957 when these men (father and son) set a record of sorts by catching a 60 lbs Barracuda from the waters of the famous Sandspit beach of Karachi.

Today this beach is considered to be too polluted to support fish like the one seen in the picture.

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A 1955 photograph of famous American painter and illustrator, Norman Rockwell, on a boat with a press photographer (right) and a Sindhi fisherman (left) at Karachi’s famous Kemari area.

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Poster of Pakistan’s 'first Socialist film', Jago Hoa Sawera.

The film was released in 1959 and was scripted by famous leftist intellectual and poet, Faiz Ahmed Faiz.

The story revolved around the daily struggles of a poverty-stricken family of a fisherman. The film is sometimes also believed to be the region’s first ‘art film’.

Though critically acclaimed, the film was a box-office flop. However, it did win a gold medal at the 1959 Moscow Film Festival.

Its director, A K. Kardar, also submitted it to be nominated in the Oscar’s Best Foreign Film category, but the submission was rejected. Kardar explained the rejection as a sign of Hollywood's “ideological bias against art with Socialist content.” Nevertheless, the film was finally screened in the US 40 years later at the New York Film Festival in 2008.

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People waving Pakistani and American flags from the balconies of their apartments at Karachi’s Burns Road as US President Dwight Eisenhower’s motorcade passes by during his visit to Pakistan in 1959.

From the 1970s onwards, Burns Road became famous for inexpensive restaurants serving delicious Pakistani food, but today it is one of the most congested and polluted areas in Karachi.

The apartment building seen in the photo is still there but in a much depleted condition.

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A 1961 poster published by the Tourism Board of Pakistan to attract western tourists to visit the capital city of the rugged Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, Peshawar.

Although the poster showed Pashtun tribesmen with rifles, they were not allowed to carry them in the city.

However, Pashtun men with colourfully painted fake guns (as shown in the poster) were hired by the government for the tourists’ amusement.

In the 1980s the guns became quite real during the US and Pakistan backed anti-Soviet ‘Afghan jihad’, and by the 1990s the tourists had all but disappeared.

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The Queen of England, Elizabeth, riding with Pakistani head of state, Field Marshal Ayub Khan, in an open-top car through the streets of the Saddar in Karachi during her visit in 1961.

Both sides of the road were packed and lined by college and school students and thousands of onlookers.

Till the early 1960s Saddar was one of cleanest areas in Karachi. Between the late 1960s and early 1970s it was lined with bars, nightclubs and famous shopping spots and became the place to be for middle-class Karachiites looking for entertainment and shopping.

Today, however, Saddar has become one of the city’s most overcrowded and ragged areas; a sad shadow of its glorious past.

Karachi’s Christian community was also largely concentrated here, and Saddar still has some of the most magnificent churches in Karachi.

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A 1962 photo showing Jacqueline Kennedy, wife of American President John F. Kennedy, disembarking from a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) plane at London’s Heathrow Airport and being greeted by the plane’s flying and cabin crew.

Ms. Kennedy went on record saying that PIA was one her favourite airlines.

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A mural painted by famous Pakistani painter, Sadequain, in 1961. In it the painter tried to capture the history of ancient Muslim philosophers, biologists, astrologers, mathematicians and chemists.

It was his homage to Muslim men of learning. It is said to be one of his finest and most ambitious works that was huge in both size and influence.

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A Pakistani girl, Aqba (second from left), seen here celebrating Christmas with US President, John F. Kennedy and his family at the White House in 1961.

Aqba who belonged to a working-class Pakistani family that had managed to migrate from Pakistan’s Punjab province to the US city of Washington lost Aqba for a while when the young and extremely bright girl ran away from home and ended up outside the White House.

She was taken in by the President’s family, gifted a dress (the one she is seen wearing in the picture), welcomed to celebrate Christmas with the President’s wife and children, and then softly persuaded to rejoin her struggling family.

No one quite knows exactly what happened to Aqba, even though some reports suggested that she went on to graduate in Law from a Washington college and stayed in the US while her family returned to Pakistan in the 1980s.

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A group of fighter pilots of the Pakistan Air Force posing just hours before the start of the 1965 Pakistan-India war.

Some of these men never came back, while others were later send to Libya, Jordan and Saudi Arabia (in the 1970s) to train the air force of these countries.

The 1965 war however ended in an awkward stalemate.

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The Pakistan hockey team on its way to defeat India in the hockey semi-final of the 1968  Olympics in Mexico. Pakistan then went on to beat Australia in the final to win the hockey gold medal.

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A telling image from Pakistan’s first horror and ‘X-Rated’ film, Zinda Lash (The Living Corpse) - a modern (and voluptuous) retelling of the story of vampires and Dracula in a Pakistani setting.

Released in 1967 the film became an instant box-office hit and was then repeatedly shown on the state-owned Pakistan Television (PTV) during its late Saturday night film slot.

It was released on DVD in 2002.

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A 1966 photo of the beautiful Punjab University in Lahore. Notice the double-decker bus. Such buses were quite common in Lahore till the late 1960s.

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British journalist, Tom Waghorn, seen here typing a report while sitting on the slopes of Torkhum near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border in 1968.

Today this area is only ventured by violent Islamist militants and the Pakistan military. Even the local Pakistani Pashtuns fear to tread here, let alone Westerners.

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Special postal stamp issued by the government of Pakistan to celebrate the winning of the 1971 Hockey World Cup by the country’s hockey team.

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Pakistani Test cricketer, Aftab Gul (third from left) and a friend (right) chatting with a couple of policemen during the Pakistan cricket team’s tour of England in 1971.

Gul was a highly talented opening batsman and should have represented Pakistan in a lot more Tests than the six he played between 1969 and 1971.

It was not his talent that restricted him from becoming a regular in the team. It was rather his erratic temperament and issues of anger management that limited his playing career.

Gul was a fiery left-wing student leader and had led various student protest rallies against the Ayub Khan dictatorship in 1968.

But throughout his stint as a student leader and agitator, he continued to play cricket and was selected for the Pakistan side in 1969.

In spite of the fact that he scored heavily in his last series against England in 1971, he lost interest and began studying to become a lawyer.

Gul was also a passionate supporter of Z A. Bhutto and his Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP).

This was something rather common in the Pakistan cricket teams of the 1970s in which such illustrious players like Mushtaq Muhammad, Sarfraz Nawaz, Intikhab Alam and Javed Miandad were staunch Bhutto fans.

Gul returned to political activism in 1977 when the Bhutto regime was overthrown by Ziaul Haq in a military coup.

In 1980, Gul was accused by the dictatorship for allegedly being a member of Murtaza Bhutto’s left-wing urban guerrilla outfit, the Al-Zulfikar (AZO).

Police claimed to have found Russian-made missiles from Gul’s resident in Lahore. Gul escaped to London and stayed there in exile, only returning after Zia’s demise in 1988.

Today he is a barrister in Lahore.

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Bodies of Bengali intellectuals, teachers, journalists and students lying in a ditch, 1971.

Thousands like these were killed in the former East Pakistan by the death squads operated by the Pakistan Army in 1970-71 for supporting Bengali nationalism and the separation of East Pakistan from West Pakistan.

Bengali militant nationalists publicly executing suspected pro-West Pakistan Bengali collaborators after East Pakistan managed to separate and create the independent Bengali majority state of Bangladesh in January 1972.

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Cover of a 1972 PIA Wine & Spirits menu.

Between 1962 and 1978, PIA was continuously placed on various 10 Best Airlines of the World lists.

PIA was also one the first airlines to introduce in-flight entertainment and also famous for having one of the widest varieties of dishes and alcoholic beverages on offer.

Today however, PIA is largely a bankrupt enterprise.

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A 1973 press ad of Karachi’s Oasis nightclub. Oasis that was situated on what is now Awan-i-Saddar Road (then called Club Road), was one of most popular nightclubs in Karachi, along with Playboy (that was located right beside Oasis), The Excelsior (in Saddar), and The Horseshoe (on Shara-e-Faisal).

Women shown in the ad are belly dancers invited from Beirut and Istanbul.

Oasis closed down when nightclubs and alcohol (for Muslims), were banned in 1977. It was demolished in the 1985 and converted into a ‘wedding garden.’

(Photo: Dawn newspaper, February, 1972).

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Female student supporters of the left-wing National Students Federation (NSF), seen here during the 1972 student union elections at the Karachi University.

(Photo: The Herald).

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Women at a New Year’s party at Karachi’s Hotel Metropole (1973).

Today half of the hotel is an office complex while the other half was converted into a ‘wedding hall.’

(Photo: Daily News).

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The left-wing National Students Federation (NSF) holding a corner meeting at the Karachi University just before the 1973 student union elections. Behind the speaker is graffiti quoting Chinese communist leader, Mao Tse Tung.

(Photo: The Star). 

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European 'Earthwalkers' in Islamabad, 1973. They had arrived in the Pakistan capital to raise awareness about environmental issues.

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A 1973 photo of men enjoying a sizzling dance performance at a ‘kotha’ in Karachi’s infamous red light district on Napier Road.

Napier Road comprised one of the largest number of ‘kothas’ in the 1970s in Karachi, that mostly carted to the entertainment (and other) needs of lower-middle and working-class men.

(Photo: Daily Jang).  

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A montage of headlines screaming about the expulsion of the Pakistani Ahmadis from the fold of Islam.

Also seen is the copy of the constitutional deliberations and clauses finalised by the country’s National Assembly in 1974 that turned the Ahmadis into a minority faith separate from Islam in Pakistan.

The move was initiated by anti-Ahmadi agitation by Islamic parties who then pressurised the Z A. Bhutto regime to declare Ahmadis as non-Muslim.

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1974: Islamic scholar and founder of the Jamat-i-Islami, Abul Aala Maudidi, holding a press conference during which he explained his party’s support for the government’s move to declare the Ahmadis as non-Muslim.

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A 1974 picture of students relaxing outside the Arts Lobby at the Karachi University.

The Arts Lobby was a stronghold of leftist and liberal student groups, whereas students from the science departments largely supported rightist student parties such as the Islami Jamiat Taleba during student union elections.

(Photo: The Herald)

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A group of students hang-out for a smoke and a chat outside the main canteen of the Punjab University in Lahore (1973).

(Photo: The Herald).

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An article (published in the May 1974 issue of Pakistani magazine, The Herald) on one of Pakistan’s most famous painters, Bashir Mirza.

Mirza remained a prolific painter in the 1960s and 1970s but stopped painting (as a protest) when the military overthrew the democratically elected government of Z A. Bhutto in July 1977.

Mirza only resumed painting after the demise of Ziaul Haq and return of democracy in Pakistan in 1988.

He passed away in 2000 due to liver failure.

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Hippie tourists enjoying themselves at a hut at one of Karachi’s many beaches in 1973.

Karachi beaches were a favourite haunt of wandering hippies arriving in droves from western countries in the 1970s.

(Photo: The Star)

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European hippies relaxing outside a cheap food joint on Burns Road in Karachi.

The second image shows two more inside the room of a cheap hotel in Saddar, Karachi. Both pictures were taken in 1972.

(Photo: The Herald).

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A 1973 press ad of the United Bank of Pakistan (UBL). It was one of the largest private banks in the country but was nationalised by the Z A. Bhutto regime in 1972 that won the 1970 election (in West Pakistan) on a socialist manifesto.

Which is why modern socialist and pro-working-class imagery is used in this particular ad.

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Famous Pakistani painter, Jamil Naqsh, captured here working in his studios in Karachi in 1973.

Naqsh’s paintings remain to be one of the most expensive buys.

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A group of friends pose outside their class at the Karachi University in 1973.

(Photo: The Herald)

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Various leaders of the Muslim world gather inside Lahore’s historic Badhshahi Mosque to say the evening prayers.

The picture was taken during the 1974 Islamic Summit organised by the government of Z A. Bhutto in Lahore and in which dozens of heads of state of Muslim countries took part.

Bhutto wanted to use the occasion to open a third front in the Cold War dominated by the US-led West and the Soviet-led communist bloc.

Bhutto also explained the summit as an expression of his regime's idea of ‘progressive Muslim democracy’ and ‘Islamic Socialism’ – even though most of the attendees were either monarchs or dictators.

Seen in the picture are PLO chief, Yasser Arafat (in dark glasses), Z A. Bhutto (in a Jinnah cap), Libyan leader Colonel Qadhafi, and Saudi monarch, Shah Faisal.

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A 1974 magazine feature on 1970s’ pop icon, ‘Maulana Hippie.’ His real name was M. Hussain Talpur and he hailed from the Sindh province.

His interest in adorning outrageous ‘hippie attire,’ and his carefree demeanour earned him the name Maulana Hippie – a name that was also enacted to mock his more religious detractors.

Talpur also ventured into film production but was not very successful and by the late 1970s he was history.

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Libyan leader Colonel Qadhafi waving to an enthusiastic crowd during the 1974 Islamic Summit in Lahore.

It was this speech given on the grounds of Lahore Stadium after which the stadium’s name was changed to Gaddafi Stadium.

(Photo: Daily Jang)

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A 1973 photo of fiery poetess and writer, Fahmida Riaz, lighting a cigarette during a poetry recital in Lahore.

After the 1977 military take-over, Riaz was harassed by the Ziaul Haq dictatorship.

She finally escaped to India with her husband and stayed there in exile till Zia’s demise in 1988.

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Video grab of Pakistani cricket fans enjoying beer at the first Test match during Pakistan cricket team’s 1974 tour of England.

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American tourists enjoying a ride on a tonga in Rawalpindi in 1975.

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A 1974 press ad of Red & White cigarettes.

In the 1970s Pakistani cigarette brands had started to target middle-class women smokers, a practice that was discontinued (on the instructions of the government) by the government after 1976.

Cigarette advertising was totally banned from TV, radio and the print media in Pakistan in the early 2000s.

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A 1975 photo of a hash (cannabis) shop in Kohat. Various such shops sprang up to mostly cater to the rising number of Western hippie tourists who would travel by road from Turkey through Iran and then enter Pakistan from Afghanistan.

The government tolerated such shops as long as they were not offering harder drugs like heroin on the menu.

In fact heroin was a rarity in Pakistan till 1980 when Pakistan’s involvement in the anti-Soviet insurgency in Afghanistan triggered the arrival of a flood of guns and heroin into Pakistan from Afghanistan.

In 1979 there was only one reported case of heroin addiction in the country. By 1985 Pakistan became the country with the second largest number of heroin addicts.

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German archaeologists at the ancient ruins of Taxila in Pakistan in 1976.

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Pakistani boxer Jan Muhammad Baloch, seen here with former Governor of Punjab, Mustafa Khar (left) in 1975.

The picture was taken when Baloch, who had already won a gold medal in the 1970 Asian Games in South Korea and represented Pakistan at the 1972 Munich Olympics, was honoured by the government when he won a gold medal at the RCD Boxing Championship held in 1975 in Istanbul, Turkey.

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A 1975 poster highlighting Pakistan’s Baloch, Sindhi, Pashtun and Punjabi folk singers.

The Pakistan government in the 1970s aggressively promoted the distinct cultures of Pakistan’s various ethnicities due to which folk music became a popular part of the programming on state-owned television and radio.

This particular poster was printed to advertise the featured artistes’ performance during the 1975 International Folk Music Festival in Washington DC.

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A 1976 photo of the award ceremony of the Pakistan Open squash tournament which was won by Qamar Zaman.

This was the beginning of Pakistan’s long dominance of world squash (that lasted for almost 15 years - mainly on the shoulders of Jehangir Khan and Jansher Khan).

By 1976 most of the Pakistani players seen in the photo were already placed in the top-ten rankings of international squash, especially the four seen in the picture (from left): Mohibullah Khan, Gogi Allauddin, Torkam Khan (Jehangir Khan’s elder brother who tragically died at the young age of 21), and Qamar Zaman (seen here standing in front of the trophy).

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A photo of one of the 1970s most popular celebrity couple, Saira Kazmi and Rahat Kazmi.

Both were TV actors, even though Rahat did act in a few films as well, and for a while was hailed as ‘Pakistan’s answer to Amitabh Bachan.’

He continued to appear on TV and on stage throughout the 1980s, whereas Saira went on to become a highly respected TV director.

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A special stamp issued by the government of Pakistan in 1976 to mark the centenary of the 1776 American Revolution.

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The Pakistan cricket team on its way to win its first ever Test against Australia in Australia in 1976.

Many believe this was the point from where the Pakistan team began to be taken seriously as a Test side.

Up against a strong Australian squad and on fast pitches, Pakistan drew the first Test, lost the second but came back to win the third game and draw the series 1-1.

Pakistan’s victory was set-up by Pakistan’s fast bowling pair of Imran Khan who took 12 wickets in the match, and Sarfraz Nawaz.

Seen in the picture (from left): Sadiq Muhammad, Wasim Bari, Mushtaq Muhammad, Imran Khan and Rodney Marsh.

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Another image of the third Test of the Pakistan-Australia series in 1976.

Skipper Mushtaq Muhammad is seen arguing with the Australian umpire who had warned Imran Khan for bowling bouncers at Dennis Lillie.

Also in the picture are twelfth man Wasim Raja and behind the umpire, a fuming Imran Khan.

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Nasir Zaidi, the first journalist to be mercilessly flogged in public by the Ziaul Haq dictatorship in 1978.

General Zia had toppled the democratically-elected regime of Z A. Bhutto in July 1977, promising a new order based on ‘Islamic laws.’

Between 1978 and 1982, dozens of journalists and political activists were flogged for opposing the dictatorship.

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The February 1978 cover of The Herald. The issue contained a detailed report and feature on various draconian laws imposed by the Zia dictatorship in the name of Islam.

Though imposed to ‘Islamise the society,’ they ended up creating deadly fissures between various Muslim sects in the country.

Also, if one compares the crime data and that of alcohol and drug addiction of the 1947-77 period with that of the 1978-2005 period, crime rose three-fold and there was almost a ten-fold increase in drug addiction.

Incidents of rape, terrorism and corruption too rose dramatically.

Such were the ‘laws’ and doings of the dictatorship that Pakistan is still struggling to recover from the madness that they unleashed.

 


Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com

 

 


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Comments (235) (Closed)


Haider, Lahore
Nov 22, 2012 03:41pm
These photographs bring tears to my eyes. Such a beautiful Pakistan...
Imran
Nov 24, 2012 12:33pm
Of course we are in a different league. Indians are obviously the descendants of angels while Pakistanis are mere mortals. India is the best country to live in the World. Shining India.
AHA
Nov 22, 2012 06:07pm
" Forgiveness and brotherhood of man remains the dominant theme". Are you sure???
Pakistani
Nov 24, 2012 04:44pm
Nice, exactly this is happening in Pak
anon
Nov 24, 2012 02:06pm
that's because Muslims DO love humanity. I think the original poster had the right intentions, he just posted it awkwardly.
Rokaiyya
Nov 22, 2012 05:19pm
Pakistani boxer Jan Muhammad Baloch, seen here with former Governor of Punjab, Mustafa Khar (left) in 1975. 1975 photo of a hash (cannabis) shop in Kohat. Various such shops sprang up to mostly cater to the rising number of Western hippie tourists who would travel by road from Turkey through Iran and then enter Pakistan from Afghanistan. British journalist, Tom Waghorn, seen here typing a report while sitting on the slopes of Torkhum near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border in 1968. A 1966 photo of the beautiful Punjab University in Lahore. Notice the double-decker bus. Such buses were quite common in Lahore till the late 1960s. Images of these captions are missing.
chakraborty
Nov 23, 2012 02:44pm
I think you live in Andaman & Nicobar Islands
abbastoronto
Nov 22, 2012 05:54pm
Correction While Pakistan started as a secular Republic but morphed into a Kaliphate, India was and still remains a Democracy (forget the Republic in the name), where the Demos, the 5% moneyed males rule over the 95% rest (women, plebs, helots, low caste).
SS
Nov 22, 2012 03:50pm
Sad that Also Pakistan is ending. Very nice series. I wish NFP will something like this on India and Pakistan relationship over the years. May be it's my opinion but looks like Pakistani women has been the biggest victim in all these changes in Pakistan.
Tariq K Sami
Nov 22, 2012 04:37pm
The last 2 lines are not accurate. The greatness of Islam doesnot lie in its rulers or system of goverment. Islam is a religion of pristine monotheism. A remarkable concept. Forgiveness and brotherhood of man remains the dominant theme.
Seeker
Nov 24, 2012 03:22pm
Shias want Pakistan to be like Iran. Sunnis want Pakistan to like Saudi Arabia.
philip utarid
Nov 24, 2012 04:26pm
the only thing necessary for EVIL to truimph is for good men to do NOTHING.........a quote of yore very much the need of the hour in this state of Pakiland.....
Mukesh Devrari
Nov 24, 2012 03:59pm
Wow. When whole world is moving forward. Pakistan traveled backwards. Fascinating tale. I did not expect this kind liberal life style. It seems army and religion is the biggest enemy of Pakistan. They ruined a great country.
observer
Nov 22, 2012 06:32pm
Superb last link of the chain by NFP. Makes me sad.
Ansh
Nov 23, 2012 07:57am
That is Bengali not Punjabi my dear. East Bengal was still a part of Pakistan then.
Shridhar
Nov 22, 2012 06:07pm
If you understand little bit of economics you should know that Pakistan was prospering country prior to 1975... The menace of terrorism bought you this situation of today...
abbastoronto
Nov 22, 2012 05:59pm
Indeed. But only for a while. But in reality Pak women are still remain much more assertive than Indian women, and will join their male counterparts in the renaissance.
Patrick Lobo
Nov 22, 2012 06:15pm
Brings tears to my eyes....such a beautiful country based on secular principals of Jinnah.....all destroyed by Gen Zia ulHaq in the 1980's !!!! Let us hope and pray that Malala's bravery and will to stand up to the Taliban helps bring Pakistan back to it's old glory. I am an Indian citizen and dream of a day when a prosperous and peaceful Pakistan and India are able to co-exist like good neighbors.
Rocky
Nov 23, 2012 12:48am
Monotheism part is good. The problem lies in its rigidity. A non Muslim is a kafir. Therefore he doesn't deserve to live.
alo majumdar (new delhi)
Nov 23, 2012 04:23pm
Beautiful series. Hope its not the "final cut" and there is more. The picture of the hockey player running barefoot is truly inspirational and reminds me of a famous football match played in 1911 when a barefoot team of Bengali's playing for the club Mohan Bagan did the unthinkable by beating the East Yorkshire Regiment team to win the IFA shield (the premier championship in the subcontinent at the time). By the way gauging from the pictures in this series, would it be fair to say that more women wore Sarees then than now? Best wishes to Pakistanis that "Also Pakistan" can become "Again Pakistan" in terms of freedom, pluralism, peace, happiness and prosperity.
imransaudi
Nov 23, 2012 11:43am
Pakistan was very progressive and persuasive during 1947-1977. Zia changed the face of Pakistan from free revolutionary country into extreme religious war ground. Then Army Generals of Pakistan made Pakistan a weeping and bleeding prostitute from 1977. And Pakistan changed. The province of NWFP ( now KP) and Punjab converted into controlling centers for various types of ignorance and violent organisations. . The corruption crept into minds of little educated and enlightened bureaucrats in post 1977 Pakistan. . These group of people including Generals, bureaucrats, policy makers and leaders are now ruling the unlucky country. Also Local culture is spirit of our land. Pakistan will once again attain same glory - i strongly hop.e
Zimbo_Indian
Nov 23, 2012 04:13pm
What brand of Islam is the identity of Pakistan? Shia or Sunni or wahabi or ahmadihia or sufi or talibani? Is it the radical, exclusive and intolerant Islam of Babar and Aurangzeb or the liberal, secular, tolerant and inclusive Islam of Akbar and Dara Shikoh and the Nawabs of Awadh? Mr Siddiqui, wake up to the reality of a world which wants to live by the logic of humanity rather than some diktats written centuries ago in various books.
Tariq K Sami
Nov 22, 2012 04:56pm
There was no good option. The Ahmadis were so far from the mainstream Islam. Just like the creation of Bangladesh was bound to happen.
Tariq K Sami
Nov 22, 2012 04:52pm
Agree.
Suleman
Nov 27, 2012 12:48pm
Thanks NFP, one never gets depressed after reading your pieces. Thumbs up!
Goga Nalaik
Nov 23, 2012 08:12am
Can you clarify which brand of shariah you are talking about: wahabi brand will not be accepted by brelwis and shias, brelwi brand will not be accepted by wahabis and shias, shia brand with not be accepted by wahabis and brelwis ... OMG what a mess! Go secular please :)
Muhammad
Nov 23, 2012 08:08am
Lets dump kafir languages like Urdu,Sindhi,Balochi,Punjabi into dustbin and lets follow Arabic,lets be pure.
Komal S
Nov 23, 2012 06:32am
Some of the changes you see in todays pakistan is no different from other parts of the world. in the 60s/70s even in India in newspapers you would see ad for cabaret dance etc.. but that does not happen today, No cigarrette/liquor ad either. If somebody takes old pictures of some of th indian cities and share it the response would be the same. The biggest contrast i see is Pakistanis were looking more like Indians in the 60s/70s and they have gradually started moving to look more like arabs. The seeds of secratariansm, regionalism were sowed during the 50s/60s. the anti-west feeling started after 1971. This is an Indian perception.
Sandeep
Nov 23, 2012 01:15pm
You forgot the famous Hindu East Pakistani swimmer Brojen Das who was created a world record for crossing English Channel in 1961. He would be eventually forgotten first by Pakistan, because he was Bengali, and even by Bangladesh, because he was Hindu, to die finally in India.
deep
Nov 23, 2012 07:04am
I dont think those days will come back in any country - India had those days as well - luckily the turn we too in the 1980s was a bloody route to secularism - as bloody as pakistan's route to islamisation.
Junaid
Nov 23, 2012 07:07am
@ raghu....what utter nonsense !!!
Ansh
Nov 23, 2012 07:52am
By "The history of ancient Muslim philosophers, biologists, astrologers, mathematicians and chemists" - it means "The history of Arab philosophers, biologists, astrologers, mathematicians and chemists". Sometimes I think Islam has been turned into a movement cater to the egos of Arabs. Everything purported to be puritanical about Islam actually means the "Arab way" but let me state that neither are all Arabs muslims and nor are all muslims of Arab origin (only 5% in fact are)
Gulmit
Nov 23, 2012 07:09am
Nadeem Bahi I thank you very much for the series of Also Pakistan in which we learned the how the Pakistani society was in the 80s and before the arrival of the dictator General Zia. Now if you will develop another series in which you tell us about the Zia period till today that how the Pakistani society was demolished by Zia and the others.
Indian
Nov 23, 2012 07:17am
Cast system is greatly reduced in India.Only politicians make use of cast to garner votes. untouchability in the name of cast system is not present in India now. Government has taken measure to give opportunity to backward classes and lower casts.There is big improvement in India regarding cast based differentiation.All are treated more or less equal in India.
vishal
Nov 23, 2012 07:41am
Is wahabi sunni Islam only form of Islam in Pakistan?Are people who don't follow Wahabi Sunni Islam are Kafirs?
Muhammad Asif
Nov 23, 2012 12:12pm
@Indian: same is true to Bal Thackery
faisal bin bashir
Nov 23, 2012 09:53am
for your kind information ARABS hate Pakistani's, and Pakistani's are not allowed to wear the ARABIC dress and many other things they say beind our back, i live with them for the past 20 years and i know how much they hate us, so shut up and love your country and take care of her before you loose and be country less... protect Pakistan, forget the languages or religions, learn to respect all languages and all religions of our beloved Pakistan, dont listen to the teaching of saudi terrorist Mr.Tim( osama bin laden "CIA trained agent").
faisal bin bashir
Nov 23, 2012 09:46am
Today what we are facing in Pakistan is a creation of saudi's, see above the picture of saudi king arrival, and after a year and plus Pakistan destroyed, all fights we are having between sunni and shia is a war of saudia and iran playing in Pakistan. the right sentence is "one world of Allah, one humans, and respect others religions", that brings peace, dont say that one religion will be pleased..understand Mr..?..protect Pakistan, please, AGAR PAKISTAN NA RAHA TU HUM BHI NAHI RAHEEN GE...when Allah let all the religions to live in one ball called EARTH, thn who we are to judge others religion or criticize, learn to repect humans apart from what religion they belong...i wish Pakistan to be back as it was in 60's...freedom to live as any one wants to live, if u wana pray go to mosque and if u want to go to club or drink alcohol thn just do it...one word the Pakistani must learn that is MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS AND LET ME LIVE MY LIFE AS I WANT...
Trump
Nov 23, 2012 12:10pm
What you say may or may not be true, but what is true is than Indian Muslims are much better off than Pakistanis. In a decade, the differences will be staggering.
vjaiswal35
Nov 23, 2012 12:10pm
Soul rippling. Seems ME sitting in a time machine and travelling backwards and backwards. The women, students, christians ,ahmedis, sufis, poets, painters, writers all dressed in the dresses of their modern time; all shoulder to shoulder, smiling and laughing in an atmosphere of freedom and confidence drinking beer celebrating in night clubs with pop bands marching to wards a future of modern world. Suddenly fades out and tears come out of my eyes.
YA
Nov 23, 2012 03:33pm
What we take for granted is usually lost....
observer 1
Nov 23, 2012 12:02pm
Very informative archival collection..........Paracha saheb please keep on informing us such rare pictures,as our generation is being aware from our past glory memories......todays's Pakistan is totally oppose of what was between 1947-77.
Trump
Nov 23, 2012 12:02pm
I think observer is being facetious.
hitesh
Nov 23, 2012 04:05am
Is Punjabi a one of the recognized language of Pakistan ? On the Postal Stamp of Hockey Punjabi is seen but not on another one of American Revolution. Could anybody clarify please ?
Muhammad Rizwan
Nov 23, 2012 09:20am
Shariah ! but which one ? we are reaping what we sowed. we divided people on religious lines to create a country today we stand as a deeply divided nation . Natural justice isn't it
Noor
Nov 23, 2012 09:04am
Whoao - - - one sad fact that there were people right from 1950s who opposed the state of pakistan. Honestly, whey did they join in the first place then ?
Jalaluddin S. Hussain
Nov 22, 2012 10:29pm
As a Pakistani-Canadian, who has seen the progress and deterioration of the liberal views with my own eyes, from 1947 to 1976, I wish that India and Pakistan put aside their differences, have a much reduced army and cooperate with each other, to improve the social, political and economic conditions of their respective peoples.
Ahmed Sultan (Bomabay)
Nov 23, 2012 04:55am
if you can clearly look at facts and figures with your open eyes. Pak had 8,122 kilometers of railways in 1947 which is 8800 as of now, while India had around 16,000 km of railways which is around 63,000 km now. Lahore was a bustling, metropolitan and cosmopolitan too city of India till 1947. It was also the educational hub of North India. karachi had a sea port comparable to bombay Pakistan also got good share in India's gold reserves. Regarding Industries, Pakistan had good share but they didn't had any Industrial policy for the last 30 years, so current state of industries in your country is due to this fact. pakistan didnt abolished the fuedel system. So if I look at facts and figures i can conclude the all the mess being created in your country is because of mistakes of pakistanis only.
fawad
Nov 23, 2012 08:59am
Ashish, we separated from a region where muslims are still living as 2nd degree citizens, scared of the atrocities of their fellow hindu citizens. I can refer to dozens of international reports highlighting poor conditions of the muslims of India. Being from a family which migrated to Pakistan, and who still have half family living in India, I thank to god for giving me birth in Pakistan. I can see fear and terror in my cousin's eyes because they have been made to live like slaves in your country. And by the way, its not Jinnah who supported partition, rather its your hawks in the congress which pushed Jinnah to a corner from where he had no other choice but to support the partition. I suggest you read Mr. Jaswant Singh's book "Jinnah-India,Partition". It will open your eyes about how the person who was once regarded by fellow congressman as the "Champion of hindu-muslim unity", changed his course and followed Gandhi's style of using religion in politics.
Indian
Nov 23, 2012 05:09am
People who support the Taliban or who are silent against the Taliban can stay in Pakistan everyone else are killed.See Malala what has happened to her.
Observer
Nov 23, 2012 08:50am
One Country Saudi Arabia,One language Arabic,One religion Muslim,One sect Sunni,One school of thought Wahabi. Then Allah will be pleased and all of us will be in paradise then there will be peace in this world :)
Patrick Lobo
Nov 23, 2012 12:21pm
Agree, Jalaluddinsaab ..... I'm sure a good majority of folks in both nations think as we do.... the problem is that the moderate folks always remain silent while the radicals on both sides are much more vocal. We the moderate, liberal, silent majority need to stand up more.
Ravi
Nov 22, 2012 11:10pm
Earliest universities in the world are Nalanda in Bihar and Taxasila in Pakistan, both of which date much earlier than 6th century.
Jaya kumar
Nov 22, 2012 08:41pm
Such a wonderful name "PAKISTAN" , but so sad to see the fate of the birt place of human civilizations like Taxil, Harappa ,Mohenjodaro dying for ever in front of our eyes.From being the greatest of places on earth ,to the worst ,what a journey is it ?
Khan
Nov 22, 2012 08:42pm
Hello my indian friend....How would you describe the Hindu cast system ?
Observer
Nov 23, 2012 11:46am
Sorry, your bashing Wahabism because you are not Wahabi. True Islam is Wahabi Islam followed in our pure land of Saudi Arabia.
Shubs
Nov 23, 2012 11:47am
huh?
G.A.
Nov 23, 2012 03:54pm
Nations that are at their pinnacle can only go down. Nations that are at the bottom can only go up.
Manoj
Nov 23, 2012 04:01pm
The Shias of Pakistan committed the greatest blunder by supporting Sunnis during 1947 for the formation of Pakistan.See how they are persecuted today.
Zimbo_Indian
Nov 23, 2012 04:02pm
I am glad at least one person saw the sarcasm in Muhammad's comment.
Anam
Nov 22, 2012 09:19pm
I've tears, and feel suffocated of what surrounds us now. Thank You for sharing with us, which certainly seems like a dream.
Indian
Nov 22, 2012 04:40pm
Who wants to stay in Pakistan? Shias don't want to stay in Pakistan Quetta and karachi they are persecuted. Hindus don't want to stay in Pakistan the same reason persecution. Christians don't want to stay in Pakistan due to blasphemy and persecution. Sikhs don't want to stay in Pakistan. Buddhists and Jews don't want to stay in Pakistan. Ahamedia don't want to stay in Pakistan Liberal Sunnis don't want to stay in Pakistan Then who wants to stay in Pakistan? Answer:- Pakistan is a place only for militant radical Islamist groups such as LET,JESH,Al-Qaeda,Taliban etc.period. :(
Asif Zaidi
Nov 23, 2012 10:35am
Muhammad, Pakistanis have lost their sense of humour (though not their sense of ridicule) and nobody understands a satire anymore. Try elsewhere my friend!
Farhan
Nov 22, 2012 11:19am
NFP - who was it that introduced prohibition and banned nightclubs in Pakistan?
Ankush
Nov 23, 2012 02:57am
Everyone blames zia, no one stands up or unites to correct things. But then again if the basics itself are flawed then there is nothing much one can do. Nope, i guess there is one thing which people do very well. Leave it to God or a specific god to fix it
Khuda ka Khauf Karo
Nov 22, 2012 07:29pm
" Am I just a dreamer ?? " YES
Faisal bin bashir
Nov 23, 2012 12:56pm
Observer.....open ur mind and feel the reality,our pure land is Pakistan...PAKISTAN HAI TU HUM HAIN.......please love your country and love ur people and respect all the religions.....this our great islam teaches us......that to love mankind.....and be nice to others..and to respect all religions...but u r not even nice to ur own country people...if u love saudia so much thn just go and see how much respect they will give u...remember nothing compares to the feeling of being home..and our home is PAKISTAN.....and PAKISTAN belongs to all religions and languages....na mera Pakistan na tera Pakistan...ye hai hum sab ka Pakistan...Allah Pakistan ko hamesha salamat rakheee..ameen..
Shubs
Nov 23, 2012 12:05pm
Please, pick up a history book that is published anywhere outside of Pakistan.
Rabia
Nov 23, 2012 08:58am
He didn't get hooked in the 1980s, but in 1990s. In the 80s he was too busy fighting the Zia dictatorship as a student leader. By the 90s he'd become a famous music critic but also got hooked to various stuff. But by late 90s he fought his way out of all addictions, reinvented himself and has now risen to become one of Pakistan's leading social and political commentators, columnists and journos. What a character. More power to him!
Yawar
Nov 23, 2012 08:17am
Ignorant statement. The painting does not only show Arab Muslims but Persian as well. In fact most are Persian.
Indian
Nov 23, 2012 08:20am
@ Atif These all outfits constitutes a very very small part of Pakistan population but has a big say in affairs of Pakistan.They are controlling Pakistan no one can speak against them.They are goondas of Pakistan.
Cricketmania
Nov 23, 2012 05:59am
Zia destroyed pakistan.. tah!
Ibrar Khan
Nov 23, 2012 05:18am
May the soul of Zia ul haq burn in the depths of hell, every time a shia is insulted, injured or killed in the name of Islam.
Hoon (India)
Nov 23, 2012 05:29am
Hard to believe , it was Pakistan
Shridhar
Nov 23, 2012 05:32am
The each photo conveys message of thousands of words... Looking at the photo's, if Pakistan had moved in the same path they would have been crowning glory of UMMAH.... Alas they squandered it...I hope & pray they can find the right way...
book_
Nov 23, 2012 08:35am
out of the millions of heroin addicts in Pakiland in the 1980s,one was the writer of this article,NFP !
Vatsyayan
Nov 23, 2012 08:38am
HItesh, a Big state punjab is a part of small pakistan, where as Indian punjab is a small state of a big country India. When partitioned happened, punjab was the most developed provinces and the central government of pakistan had its players. Even the Pakistani army is very much dominated by Punjabi landlords. The growing sectarian divide in Pakistan is due to unjust domination of punjabi diaspora. Punjabi is spoken by 67 % of pakistanis. This explains why punjabi is important in pakistan.
Quims
Nov 23, 2012 02:19am
I read and i weep, how a perfectly good country has been run into the ground, by misguided religion and politics.
G.A.
Nov 23, 2012 02:18am
Indians make the highest number of immigrants to the West along with the Chinese. Get off your high horse.
Sania
Nov 23, 2012 02:07am
Saudia Arabia as an ideal Islamic muslim state? Are you serious? Please enlighten us the rights they have given to general masses. We want to see Jinnah's Pakistan and not wahabi style islamization imported from saudia arabia! Their version of islam is spreading hatred and choas in the world and you call that ideal. What you see today in pakistan is due to jihadi influence spreading like cancer in our country. State and religion should be kept separate. Wake up before it is too late.
Rao
Nov 23, 2012 01:53am
India is the only country where Muslims of all denominations can safely pray in their mosques without any fear of suicide attacks or bomb blasts. Sadly Pakistan, which was created for protecting minority Muslims from Majority Hindus cannot claim that.
A Subhan
Nov 23, 2012 03:11pm
Dear "watch".... Can not say, why it happened to you in case of NFP's article, but it is quite common when it comes to posting comments in Pakistani newspapers. Sad to see that even, Dawn is not an exception. These "invisible and powerful moderators" mostly publish only those comments that support them and their articles. I have been their victim quite frequently. Lets see if this post is posted or not.... If not, only I will know.... A Subhan - Ontario, Canada
Rao
Nov 23, 2012 01:46am
Hi Saylani, Even though Pakistan lacked industries & infrastructure, it was self-sufficient in food grains. India was receiving food aid in 60's, whereas Pakistan was already self sufficient in food production with the green revolution aided by American Norman Borloug. From that state of advantage, it didn't go on to develop its industries because of its reliance on American Aid. Pakistan leaders mismanaged its economy. South Korea took Pakistan development as its model in 60's for improving its economy. It wasn't obsessed of fighting with their threatening neighbours, but concentrated on its development alone..After 50 years, you can see where South Korea is and where Pakistan is.... Pakistan is a picture of ultimate mismanagement and obsession of parity with its larger neighbour.
Shubs
Nov 23, 2012 11:51am
You do understand that Indians emigrate for better financial opportunities and not because of religious/ethnic persecution at home, right?
pathanoo
Nov 23, 2012 01:33am
Till Pakistanis learn that religion is the personal affair of the beliver and his maker and no one else has a right to interefere with that relationship; Pakistan will be a mess. Who is one to tell the other that he/she is not a good Mulsim?
Shubs
Nov 23, 2012 11:58am
Why does everything degenerate into a contest with India for Pakistanis?....:-)
vjaiswal35
Nov 23, 2012 11:52am
Soul rippling. A story of a journey of a train called Pakistan moving from the modern times towards past. Looks like me siting in the "time Machine" and moving backwards and backwards and backwards. Ahmedis and sufis and painters and poets, artists, night clubs the atmosphere of festivity, happiness and hope of all communities to reach out to the future as one Pakistan fading out slowly in the gloom of restrictions and more restrictions and more gloom and hatred. Makes me cry.
Siddiqui, khi
Nov 22, 2012 11:34pm
Mr. Nadeem Pakistan is the fortress of Islam and seculars like you and your kind are more than welcome to migrate to any other place if they cant tolerate Pakistan's islamic environment and identity. Mr. Nadeem mark my words Pakistan's destiny is nothing but only and only Islam and Shariah and sooner rather than later Insha Allah.
AHA
Nov 22, 2012 09:11pm
@abbas - I agree. But I would say that the real culprit was Al-Ghazzali. So many fatwas of backwardness originate from him. Islam might have been a very different entity altogether were it not for him.
Ali
Nov 25, 2012 03:41pm
Tell your friend to ride camels instead of using modern transport.
Khadim Hussain
Nov 22, 2012 08:45pm
Paracha is an Iconoclast!
Ashish
Nov 22, 2012 08:46pm
These are just the memories of the India that you chose to separate from. All the ugliness is now gone. Good luck to the separatist lawyer who showed you the path. Hope he received his premiership.
raghu
Nov 22, 2012 07:40pm
Pakistan is a islamic republic and it has to be like saudi arabia the ideal muslim and perhaps islamic state........any deviation from it will lead to such terrorism and bloodshed.Lets hope to see all pakistanis in long gowns like their arab brothers
Tahir
Nov 23, 2012 04:26pm
A terrible shame. One correction: The film director was A. J. Kardar and not A. K. Kardar.
ammariftikhar
Nov 22, 2012 07:36pm
Kindly don't bother to put the prefix to the pictures that "this is supposed to be last installment"
Atif
Nov 22, 2012 05:42pm
@Indian . you are correct to a certain extent. But its not like that nobody wants to lives in Pakistan but when there is a guarantee of better future AND/OR you are in a abysmal condition. For example there was a time when I was applying for Australian Immigration but now I am earning good money here I have dropped the idea of immigration altogether. I know few hindu friends who have no interest in moving to India because they are already earning well here and knows that no red carpet will be rolled out for them in India. So you are not completely incorrect but not completely correct either. Also, persecution is not the only reason because of which people leave their homeland. You know it. As far as Taliban ( dont know you are talking about TTP or Afghan Taliban but i am talking about both ) and Al-Qaeda is concerned it is highly unlikely that you will be able to see them roaming freely in Pakistan even if you do your best to find them. they live hidden but cannot say same about others :S But anyway these all outfits constitutes a very very small part of Pakistan population. Pakistan is a Great country as any country in the world and where world earliest urban civilizations thrived.
Krish Chennai
Nov 23, 2012 05:33pm
Equally, if not more important, than the politicians, would be the business magnates and industrialists
Indian
Nov 23, 2012 05:34pm
I feel Pakistan is a country where there is struggle for power between Shias and Sunnis.
Veet
Nov 22, 2012 06:30pm
There are more than 5 or 4 moderators at Dawn. Writers do not moderate. In fact I doubt if NFP actually goes through the comments here.
G.A.
Nov 22, 2012 02:29pm
This series must not stop for the sake of the post-Zia generation. Surely there has to be more than just these in the Archives of Pakistan. For those who haven't seen the alien Pakistan, yes those were peaceful times. Yes people were not happy with corruption and bad infrastructure but the biggest fear was that of an unarmed, but frightened, burglar coming at night. The country was at peace with itself as shots of Western tourists prove. There was less traffic, less congestion and less anger.
Harinder Sharma
Nov 24, 2012 10:51pm
Please.... moderates of both Pakistan and India unite. Let's make our sub-continent, what is really ought to be - a beautiful, peaceful, prosperous place where our children would have better prospects!!
Raeel Ali
Nov 22, 2012 02:14pm
Typically Ill-informed and reactive comment by a glorified fool. Did you know that most people who set fire to themselves, got flogged and went to jail to protest against the toppling of Bhutto came from working-class and lower middle classes? And please keep your prejudiced new Pakistsn middle-class stupidity to yourself. Do not insult the poor by suggesting that it is them who turned Pakistan into an ugly place of blood and bombs, intolerance and hatred. It is reactive fools like YOU who did this to this once such a promising and beautiful country. Shame on your myopia.
naeem khan
Nov 22, 2012 01:22pm
the rich making merry . at least people are now powerful enough to confine the rich to their lairs
abbastoronto
Nov 23, 2012 07:59pm
AA: AOA Indeed. It was no Shia blunder, but a sacrifice that had to be done for the sake of their less fortunate Sunni brethren.Shia had little to gain from Pakistan. The Sunni Clerical Leadership (e.g. Maudoodi et al) was against Pakistan and iIt was the Shia who made Pakistan. This has been well documented by Vali Nasr in his recent book "The Shia Revival". Without Jinnah’ leadership, Liaqat Ali Khan (a proto-shia) support, and Raja Mehmoodabad’s money, there would be no Pakistan. In British India even Shia women were educated, and the Shia had excellent relations with the Hindus, as they still do today. The 13 Rajab, the birthday of Ali is a legal holiday in UP and one another Province, and Ashoura is a legal holiday throughout India. The Hindus routinely participate in Muharram. But the Sunnis were mostly illiterate, and a 7 centuries of warfare with the Hindus had put them in an unfavourable position. The Hindu Landowners and Moneylenders oppressed them. If the Shia had not made Pakistan, our Sunni brethern would be still slaving under non-Muslims as crop-sharers or the 5th Caste below the shudras.
Farhan
Nov 24, 2012 09:04pm
Wow. you summed it up pretty well :)
Farhan
Nov 24, 2012 09:02pm
No..Shia doesnt want to change Pakistan, they just want the right to exercise their own believes/practices without interference and neither do Sunni's want to change Pakistan. Its the extremists who want to create chaos and anarchy to take advantage. I dont know why people cant see that. Its not sectarian, its portrayed as sectarian to impact mass opinion about the other sect.
AHA
Nov 23, 2012 05:00pm
What if it is a bottomless pit.
Capt C M Khan
Nov 23, 2012 10:55am
Faisal you said it all if this guy had some SHAME in hiimself he will beleive in Humanity and respect all others. I have been to Saudia numerous of times, they are the most RACIST i have come across, I was given a very high position in Dammam tried it for 18 days and resigned. These guys are Illetrate and have been brain washed and are WEAKENING US MUSLIMS and making us look like JOKE to westerners. We must KICK them out of Pakistan into Saudia. This guy does not know that Saudia pure WAHIBISM is only 160 years old where as Islam is over 1400 hears old. Gosh
Indian
Nov 22, 2012 11:07am
NFP sir has show different colors of Pakistan very well and how one color of Pakistan dominated over other color at some time. Below are colors of Pakistan. Socialistic Pakistan Islamist Pakistan Capitalistic Pakistan Fascistic Pakistan Liberal Pakistan Democratic Pakistan Feudalistic Pakistan The above are different parts of Pakistan. Sindh is Feudalistic & Capitalistic Punjab is Capitalist & Fascistic FATA & KP Islamist &Fascitic Balouchistan Feudalistic
Indian
Nov 24, 2012 09:11am
Sorry you cannot hide the truth.
Notebook
Nov 24, 2012 06:39am
Bad politics often make use of religion and sects to make one religion against other one sect against other.
Rafiq Ali
Nov 23, 2012 01:11pm
This one left me feeling only slightly despondent. The FIRST two articles in the series actually brought real tears to my eyes as I saw, after many years, the Pakistan where I grew up. It is the Pakistan that my much younger cousins never saw. And it is definitely a Pakistan that no longer exists.
Sundus
Nov 22, 2012 01:26pm
Delightful!
Khalid
Nov 22, 2012 06:25pm
Couldnt agree with more. I hope the people of Pakistan understand that as well as you do. :)
Zile Subhan
Nov 24, 2012 09:23am
Great work NFP.. really appreciatable efforts by u... keep writing, all the best
Ali
Nov 24, 2012 09:26am
I am shia i am sunny i am wahabi i am barelvi i am this i am that but where is muslim.......? make ur ID only muslim...so we top of this world otherwise we are nothing.... think about it all my muslim friends...... Love all muslims, all pakistani and all minorities. SAVE OUR MOTHER HOOD SAVE THE PAKISTAN . election is coming ur choice is most important so please do not waste ur vote.......... Think about it...................
taranveer Singh kafir
Nov 24, 2012 09:29am
I have a close friend who is Muslim. he avoid using spoon while eating at my home. he eat rice without spoon. at their own home they never use spoon while eating such foods . I asked him what's reason behind this he said dont u knw Arabian people dont use spoon. he calls Arabian music as our music
Indian
Nov 24, 2012 09:54am
When the Radical(Talibans) came for the Hindus, I remained silent; I was not a Hindu. When they locked up the Christians, I remained silent; I was not a Christians. When they came for the Ahmedia, I did not speak out; I was not a Ahmedia. When they came for the Shias, I remained silent; I wasn't a Shia. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
Arifq
Nov 22, 2012 01:54pm
BRAVO! Take a bow Nadeem, you deserve all the praise for reminding us what Pakistan was and what it could have been, absolutely brilliant.
Dr.LP
Nov 24, 2012 06:43pm
Nadeem F. Paracha and the Dawn has courage to publish the history of Pakistan as it unfolded. Excellent and truthful work to say the least. Hope some day Dawn will present how peple travelled without paper work from Afghanistan to what was India before 1947.
kashif saif dhillon
Nov 22, 2012 01:57pm
thank paracha sb..,i always like that kind of atricles in which u put your ideas with the help of splendid pictures....rare scenes for today generation outstanding..,
Magister Ludi
Nov 23, 2012 09:46pm
Zia came, he saw and he destroyed! Flagellum dei.
abbastoronto
Nov 22, 2012 01:59pm
Memorable. NFP makes it look like when I left Pakistan in 1968, the best was already over. But no, the Best is Yet to come - Nazim Hikmet Ran: The most beautiful sea: hasn’t been crossed yet. The most beautiful child: hasn’t grown up yet. Our most beautiful days: we haven’t seen yet. And the most beautiful words I wanted to tell you I haven’t said yet ..
afrem
Nov 23, 2012 11:31pm
Please also pray for the soul of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who succumbed to the pressures of the mullas to condemn the Ahmadis as non muslims and till today they are suffering in Pakistan. This is the so called power of our leaders. To bow down before the fatwas of the so called keepers of faith. Please separate state from religion. We are all citizens of Pakistan including the minorities. Only then we can flourish as a nation. Let our religion and faith be a personal matter. Remember charity begins from our homes not dictated by the state!!!!
Ahmed Saeed
Nov 22, 2012 03:21pm
And our dear neighbor India racist.
GhostRider
Nov 22, 2012 10:27am
all i can say is...hayeeee
afrem
Nov 23, 2012 11:45pm
Please be careful what you wish for!!!! You might regret it later. You are not in agreement with the four provincial language of Pakistan how can you live with another alien language. A nation that tries to adopt another culture ends up with losing its own identity. There is a saying in urdu, "kawa chaley hanse ke chaal"
abbastoronto
Nov 23, 2012 08:14pm
No. It is a struggle between Mohammedan/Koranic Islam of Sunnis and Shias against Imperialist Islam of the Jihadis who want a World Kaliphate to spread Islam by sword. The Jihadis forget that Our Prophet had come to conquer hearts nor lands. He fought no war of expansion. All his struggles were defensive, and not far from Medina.
afrem
Nov 23, 2012 11:49pm
You are not in agreement with the four provincial language of Pakistan how can you live with another alien language. A nation that tries to adopt another culture ends up with losing its own identity. There is a saying in urdu, “kawa chaley hanse ke chaal”
Capt C M Khan
Nov 24, 2012 09:07am
Afrem your are correct. Ihave been visiting Saudia for over 30 years now in Saudia: No1 Saudia No 2 Gulf State Arabs ( Egyptians and Palestinians not included) N0 3 White Race (US/Europeans) No 8 Pakistani/Indians etc No 10 Africans ALL AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM and our ILLETRATE Pakisanis want to be like them??
afrem
Nov 23, 2012 11:58pm
You must be kidding...please say so!!! Saudis are the most RACIST nations that I have come across. But they do bow down to their American masters. So much for so called Wahabis. It is all about dollars and cents!!!!! That is how Saudi Arabia is a worldly rich country. They are under immense test by the Great Almighty!!!!!
Akbar
Nov 22, 2012 11:01am
NFP all u do is bring the best :)
Samiullah
Nov 23, 2012 07:28am
Allah only loves Arabic culture and Arabic language lets all be Arabic. :)
rashid
Nov 22, 2012 12:43pm
NFP as usual thanks for reminding us our vague memories of the past, and giving the young generation a glimpse of the past, and hope some perspective too. We as a nation owe you for this
XL
Nov 24, 2012 08:52am
Beware what you wish for, it may come true. All I would say is Pakistan got what it wished for. The best of (Saudi) Islam is yet to come in the form of Taliban ruling the country. Imran Khan would surely hasten the process. Best of Luck guys.
Mani
Nov 24, 2012 12:26am
Ashish seems like you just a hater. Jinnah was 'the man'. The good times till the 70's were cause of him. Pakistan in spite of being the smaller country was doin way better than India in most areas. Greener pastures seemed ahead but then Zia happened and he took Pak to war and s**t hit the fan.
afrem
Nov 23, 2012 11:38pm
How so? By issuing brown iqamas for non muslims so that they can be discriminated whenever the authorities asks to produce it. KSA is one of the worst discriminating nations in the world, even for Pakistani rafiques.
Ahmed Saeed
Nov 22, 2012 03:19pm
I wish we have understood religion. Religion is suffering due to our deeds.
Roshan
Nov 22, 2012 12:30pm
I am from India and quite regular to Dawn website, I'd like to appreciate and thanks Dawn team to come up with highly knowledge based articles. It shows such a magnificent country far ahead of its times and moving aggressively to match up with developed countries ended up having a conservative dictatorship regime. I really pray and wish that Pakistan will reach its heights again and demonstrate the world what it is capable of.
Munir Varraich
Nov 22, 2012 12:48pm
NFP, thanks for this series on Pakistan. The younger generations can judge for themselves, what went wrong or right and at what time in Pakistan. 1974 is the watershed. Beyond that is Homer's tragedy. It is easy to destroy a nation, but it takes wisdom of a prophet to build a nation from the ruins. Time to get the Soul of Pakistan embedded in the Indus Valley. Good Bye Saudi Arabian Islam and their "charity" and Uncle Sam's type of "democracy" and their AID. MAV Sweden
Manoj
Nov 24, 2012 11:27am
Mr. abbastoronto Don't show off as though Shias were Saviors of Sunnis.
shahid Butt
Nov 24, 2012 01:41am
Please mind your own business. You are totally wrong.
shahid Butt
Nov 24, 2012 01:39am
Please mind your own business. You are totally wrong
shahid Butt
Nov 24, 2012 01:43am
Sorry. My mistake .i put it under wrong person name
Notebook
Nov 22, 2012 12:13pm
Zia's rule of Pakistan was Taliban's rule.
yawar
Nov 22, 2012 09:59am
What can I say? Awesome, awesome, awesome, NFP! each an every feature of this series was an eyeopener. And what a finale.
abbastoronto
Nov 22, 2012 02:16pm
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. The story of the Secular Republic of Pakistan is a repeat of the Secular Republic of Medina founded by our Prophet. The Constitution was the Covenant of Medina, a secular document, where rights of all were respected. But immediately after his death, Meccan Democracy was back. The Demos, the 5% moneyed males, got together, and established a religious Kaliphate, against the wishes of the Medinan public. Within 25 years most of the achievements of Mohammedan secular Republic were over-turned, especially women's Rights. Within 5 years the women had lost the right to property and to initiate marriage and divorce, to education, sent back to kitchens. With shackling of women Islam became a one-legged civilization, and the lame do not win races. After 1,300 years of Kaliphates and Monarchies, a Mustafa bin Ali Reza Effendi (aka Kemal Ataturk) and a Muhammad Ali Jinnah, both staunch anti-Kaliphates, founded the Secular Republics of Turkey and Pakistan, copying the Secular Republic of Medina. Today, the Demos both in Turkey and Pakistan are trying once again to turn these Mohammedan Republics into Kaliphate theocracies. They will fail as the world around us would not allow an Encore. The making and makers of Medina and Pakistan, our Prophet and Jinnah, had a lot in common. 1. Both founded by men named Mohammed. 2. Both Pakistan and Medina set up as Secular Republics, defeating the Demcracies run by Demos, the 5% moneyed males ruling over 95% rest (women, helots, plebs, slaves). 3. Both founders married strong willed rich women who fell in love with them despite parental objections, who both died before seeing the real achievements of both men. 4. Both founders died shortly after their final triumphs. 5. Within 25 years of each Secular Republic was turned into a religious Kaliphate Theocracy. The counter-revolution reverting all the gains, especially women’s rights, nepotism, mismanagement. The life in Pakistan is no different than Islam 25 years after our Prophet – mismanagement, misrule, nepotism, violence. 6. The Daughters of both founders rejected the change (one was murdered, the other decided not to live in the Republic) etc. etc. The overthrow of Medinan Republic was followed by Islam becoming a second rate civilization. If Pakistanis do not learn from history, this Republic will become a second rate Pakistan.
Rind
Nov 22, 2012 12:12pm
Last photo is seems fit as a beginning of all current mess
AHA
Nov 22, 2012 12:11pm
Not possible. We have chosen the path of religion.
Najma
Nov 22, 2012 01:13pm
Pakistan has lost most of its charm :(
Basim
Nov 22, 2012 10:13am
superb.
vallimohammed lakhani
Nov 22, 2012 03:04pm
thanks lakhani
Murad
Nov 24, 2012 01:59am
Brilliant images of a beautiful era, unfortunately I was quite young to witness the "tolerant pakistan", where we were all Pakistanis, and not the various religious and ethnic groups that we see today, even my era of the late 80's and early 90's was quite decent, compared to the madness that we see today. I have left the country and so have countless others, our leaders political and religious have failed us, may they be damned for ruining my Pakistan. Once again thank you Mr Paracha
ahmad butt
Nov 24, 2012 02:03am
Another fine read NFP, i hope there will be Also Pakistan: The final cut II on the way ( even though you have mentioned this to be the last.
Dani
Nov 22, 2012 12:06pm
Wish I were born in this Pakistan. No terrorism, no sectarianism, no target killings, no MQM, no Mullahism, no Taliban. In fact, a very peaceful Pakistan.
vijay
Nov 22, 2012 12:02pm
Great article NFPji, During general Ayubs time Pakistan was much more prosperous than India when there was very close relationship between Pakistan and America, during cold-war Pakistan got all the support from America.Later Pakistan American relationships ended and the help also ceased.
shiv kumar nair
Nov 22, 2012 11:58am
loved the pre zia ul haq pakistan.... may peace and serenity return to you land..
AHA
Nov 23, 2012 09:19pm
That "Red & White" girl running on a beach (if I recall correctly after 40 years) was my first crush. I was not quite a teen yet.
Nargis
Nov 22, 2012 11:56am
NFP show in this article shift of Pakistan from Liberal to fundamental Pakistan.During Ayub khan Pakistan and American relations were in its highest peak and people of Pakistan tried their best following western culture and to show to the world they were modern and General Zia brought those people towards Arabic practices and made them to follow Sharia and then fate of Pakistan changed from progressive liberal to more regressive conservative attitude.
kareem
Nov 24, 2012 06:55am
Sharia in Pakistan not too distant dream.
Rajesh Kumar
Nov 23, 2012 07:54am
"The greatness of Islam doesnot lie in its rulers or system of goverment. Islam is a religion of pristine monotheism. A remarkable concept. Forgiveness and brotherhood of man remains the dominant theme." - Forgiveness and brotherhood is also the concept of Christianity and Buddhism. Where is the evidence of this "forgiveness" when innocents Shias and Ahmedis are slaughtered? Ever since the dawn of montheism, the world has become more intolerant than ever. People used to believe in all sort of God until monotheism arrived. The number of people killed in the name of religion during the period of monotheism until now is far greater than the total number killed all through the human history until the dawn of monotheism
aku
Nov 22, 2012 11:33am
Politically biased but nevertheless very entertaining and enlightening. We should pray and hope for a better future. We need somebody, a "sar phira" like Imran Khan, to clean up the mess from the 80s.
Salman
Nov 22, 2012 11:33am
Wonderful and nostalgic , almost all the stuff shows how Pakistan suffered at the hands of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and latter got mutilated at the hands of Gen Zia. I think both men are responsible for the present state of affairs in the country. Had Bhutto not given in to the demands of right wing hypocrites, Pakistan would have been a progressive country. He declared Ahmadis as non muslims .was totally wrong although Ahmadis have done the same long time back yet he should have not politicised the matter. General was the worst we have ever had or any country could have had, we are son unfortunate a nation that we have been told lies about the creation of this country and the lies have further been mingled with denial syndrome. Thanks for this episode and please continue on the series,
Wahabi
Nov 23, 2012 07:25am
I want my Pakistan to be like Saudi Arabia as soon as possible and we should only speak Arabic,Arabic should become our national language. Insha Allah.
maverick
Nov 24, 2012 10:08am
The thing abt Hindus and other being pro shia is true.The shia and also shia sbsects like bohris are viewed positively as compared to Sunnis. What is the basis of this thought I do not know. Only the bohris look and dress differently.
Harris Ali
Nov 22, 2012 11:16am
Every picture is worth a thousand words and many stories and NFP is a master of rediscovering, recording and then relating them to a generation that had no clue about these stories and for those to whom they now seem like distant dreams. Kudos, NFP, kudos.
M Ali Khan
Nov 22, 2012 10:07am
"Bugti was eventually assassinated by the Pakistan military in 2006 in a missile attack." the actual facts of that cave collapse incident (which interestingly saw a few Army officers also die) are disputed
Yousaf
Nov 22, 2012 02:14pm
wow. I am glad that I don't live in pakistan anymore. Thanks for the memories when it was an amazing country.
Taha
Nov 22, 2012 01:20pm
GIves an acute insight into the direction this nation was intended to take.... Feels like coming home :)
Ashish
Nov 24, 2012 07:08am
That's not accurate. Though my comments could be a bit sharp. The intention is merely to wake people up from their slumber. I do not agree that good times till the 70's were because of Jinnah. Smaller countries like Japan have done much better than India, that's not an issue. But considering all humanity as one, and all religions equal is a tough thing for Pakistanis and Muslims in general to understand or accept. When Jinnah did not agree with others, or the other way round, the solution was still not a partition. If that were to be the case, I'd have divorced so many people so many times. Separatist thoughts and people are the chief cause of so many deaths and misery for millions. Any day I'd recommend anyone to follow Gandhi's footsteps rather than Jinnah's. Yes a little less money, a little less cloth to cover the body, a little less to eat, a little less position of power, but a human being like none other. You may choose to disagree.
IndianShia
Nov 24, 2012 07:16am
Population of Shia are reducing day by day in Pakistan.Some one save our minority population in Pakistan.
Shabnum
Nov 24, 2012 07:03am
Unfortunately their is no place for Shias in present Pakistan.
Niazi (@NKNiazi)
Nov 23, 2012 07:53pm
Duffer this is not the issue at all,
Niazi (@NKNiazi)
Nov 23, 2012 07:55pm
true!!!
Mubarak
Nov 24, 2012 10:36am
You feel Iran is Practicing real Islam?ha
kaiser
Nov 23, 2012 08:15pm
It does not care much for the views of its own majority.
Secular
Nov 24, 2012 09:57am
Shame on you Ali Why only love all Muslims and why not humanity where you love all religions.
Gulbaz Mushtaq
Nov 22, 2012 01:33pm
Zia ul Haq
Atif
Nov 23, 2012 10:08am
What is haram about the languages you want to trash? You are advocating taking away the identity of the people who speak them.
chakraborty
Nov 23, 2012 02:15pm
Hindus in East Pakistan were first target of pakistani army. Its not mentioned. 80% refugees were Hindu and 60 ~ 70% killed were hindus where figure runs into millions
punjabi
Nov 22, 2012 02:56pm
paradise lost. :))))
venkat
Nov 23, 2012 10:10am
Did God tell you that these languages are kafir languages? Rub your knees my friend and may be the rationale of thinking pores might open up. In todays world we have lost the rationale of questioning and hence mentally blind people like you crop up..
Ashish
Nov 23, 2012 07:36pm
Excellent and expected response from Hindu eliminator. With 0% left in your country you have the guile to say what you've said here?
Indian
Nov 22, 2012 03:35pm
Sorry there is no racism in India,but there are other negatives in parts of India as well,but the negatives are not as big as found in Pakistan.
Syed rizvi
Nov 22, 2012 04:08pm
My heartiestcongratulation to Dawnfor providing suchinformative history of pakistan. It is nice to see our old golden days.we were not that bad as we are now. We only need a sincere and charismatic leader like MA jinnah, ZA Bhutto. God bless over beautiful country and nation.
Seeker
Nov 22, 2012 03:53pm
Pakistan is constantly being abused using religion.In the name of Allah people are abusing Pakistan.
Omar
Nov 22, 2012 04:15pm
Couldnt have said it better. simply beautiful
rijaz
Nov 22, 2012 04:16pm
pakistan complietely destroyed mullas ...
Joker
Nov 23, 2012 06:47pm
I think you should stay away from commenting on the issues that you don't have a slightest clue of!
taranveer Singh kafir
Nov 22, 2012 04:26pm
after 1947 division many Muslims decided to stay in India. India had more Muslims than Pakistan. but Pakistan got share of all Muslims in subcontinent. so there was very less population density compared to India. on the other hand India got additional population . so Pakistan had almost 3 times resources per capita than India. so it was more prosperous. it doesn't means they were genius. even today Pakistan has double resources per capita than India rest depends on brain.
Krish Chennai
Nov 22, 2012 04:34pm
Correct me if I am wrong, but the pictures and narration do seem to reveal that Pak and Ind were very similar till about 1980, and then started appearing like very different countries.
watch
Nov 22, 2012 04:45pm
NFP is super fast my comments are updated really fast.I like commenting on NFP articles because the comments are updated fast,Kudos NFP. Keep it up NFP sir :)
PKJ(DELHI)
Nov 22, 2012 04:06pm
nadeem bhai, recently started reading, watching (about 4 years) pak serious writing and talk shows to understand contradictory behavior of society.still trying to grasp essence.after regularly reading your pieces of articles,i feel slowly understanding dilemma of pak peoples.excellent narration and pics.as our one poet dushyant kumar said "Tere seene me ho ya mere seene me ,,eek aag si jalti rahni chhahiye"
john
Nov 24, 2012 11:11am
A Country born out of Inability to live with others, have no hope it will live among its own,,,,, sad but true,,,Apocalypto for you guys has begun.,, we go overseas when offered with great financial opportunities, get real mate we are in a different League,
Tariq K Sami
Nov 22, 2012 05:02pm
Oversimplification. A nation of nearly 200 million. Well Imran Khan is there. Zardari and Nawaz Sherrif are back. And I go there every year (almost) from the States.
Tariq K Sami
Nov 22, 2012 05:06pm
Not really. How come Dow Medical University has only 20% boys and 80% girls.
ibrahimdard
Nov 22, 2012 04:00pm
So the seed was planted by bhutto! I.e. state acting as Mullah by focusing on declaring people kafirs. Wajibul Qatal was natural evolution of first step.
Atif
Nov 23, 2012 10:44am
It is not like no one speak against them. For example . Read 'Dawn'. I am disappointed that you even raise this question and posting it on the blog of 'Dawn'. Disappointed because it shows ignorance. Every Country do goondagardi when it suits them and when they can afford to do it (and offcourse it is wrong). In the history of humankind some countries even bought the whole states along with their people. Belive me.
AHA
Nov 22, 2012 11:42am
Loved it. Hope it is not the Final Cut.
Feroz
Nov 23, 2012 01:00pm
Please stop living in the past and blaming Zia and others for all the miseries. How can one man change the fortunes and mindset of a majority without popular support ? The moment people realize they are the agents of change and stop waiting for some messiah to deliver them, things will start changing for the better.
Krish Chennai
Nov 23, 2012 05:38pm
@abbastoronto: the song goes like "Cheen-Arab hamara, Sara Jahaan hamaara, rehney ko ghar nahi hai, saara jahaan hamara..". The day you realise that this means refugees, and those without a roof over their heads, and Allah protects them whether they profess Islam or not, then perhaps Muslims would have realised the essence of progress.
malang
Nov 22, 2012 05:39pm
There's a kid who had a big hallucination Making love to girls in magazines. He wonders if you're sleeping with your new found faith. Could anybody love him Or is it just a crazy dream?
pakistani
Nov 22, 2012 05:41pm
You left pakistan, but Pakistan havent left you, and it lives in your mind and heart and you cannot leave your route just thanking i dont live in it as the bad time is now and left it when it was good time.
Vinod
Nov 22, 2012 03:40pm
Zulfikar Ali Butto also played his role in creating sectarianism by calling Ahmadias to be non-muslims and torturing them. Butto has a share in present sectarianism in Pakistan.
observer
Nov 22, 2012 06:42pm
In late 1970s Pakistan got a Zia usurper ruler. For his own interest, he fooled the people into Islamic form of military dictatorship. All the jihadi outifts and the like took roots in Zia era. He openly favored one sect and encouraged marginalization of religious minorities and other sects. As far as I am concerned, Zia is still alive. Secular democracy is like a pariah term in Pakistan of today. Even Oxford educated Imran Khan is talking about negotiations with Taliban. Up until Zia, Pakistan was like any other poor country in the world. Today, Pakistan is a unique country going downhill at a great pace.
Tariq K Sami
Nov 22, 2012 04:40pm
The last 2 lines are incorrect. The Western Christian dominance is only 250 years old.
watch
Nov 23, 2012 01:43pm
some of my comments not published :(
Irfan Baloch
Nov 23, 2012 10:47am
in short the answer is yes & the killers of such minorities are celebrated & showered with flowers when our courts fail to convict them
Laka
Nov 22, 2012 05:25pm
Monotheism is the degeneration of the ancient religions which were non-dualistic. Unlike science and mathematics, religion seems to be progressing backwards into intolerant strains.
abbastoronto
Nov 22, 2012 07:05pm
Indian Sahib, Namaste While some Sunnis, some Shias, some Hindus, some Christians, want to leave Pakistan because of fear, most of them do wish to stay put and make it into a better place. Most Pakistanis who go abroad return home. Pakistanis go abroad routinely not because of fear but because they have been taught from the childhood that while Brazil is for Brazilians, Germany for German, Allah has made the entire universe for the Believers. Islam does not believe in borders. Said Iqbal a long time ago: Cheen-o-Arab Hamara, Hindostan Hamara Muslim hain hum watan hay Sara Jahan Hamara The Koran recommends Muslims to travel. [6:11] Say: "travel through the earth and see what was the end of those who rejected Truth." [29:20] Say: "travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things.
Saylani
Nov 22, 2012 07:14pm
I dont agree with you in 1947 Pakistani govt had no paper to write on while india was enjoying industries and railways build by British Raj dont forget sea ports and the rest .
LOL
Nov 23, 2012 07:33am
Well said. India and Israel are the most racist in the world.
Ishfaq Ilahi
Nov 24, 2012 05:03am
My heart bleeds for Pakistan that is probably lost for ever. I was in what was then West Pakistan between 1966-1971. So, I can identify with many of the pictures. The heroine in ''Jago Huey Savera'' was a Bengali actress - Rani Sarker who died a few years back in poverty. The picture of the fighter pilots in 1965 Wa was In Dhaka's Tejgaon Air base. Pilots of No # 14 Squadron, with its squadron commander 'Nosey' Haider, can be seen in the picture. The picture of killing of alleged Pakistani collaborator was indeed a shameful event that happened in Dhaka on 18 December 1971. It was done by one Kader Siddique, who was an irregular Freedom Fighter, later he was involved and, indeed still is, behind many mischief.
Walid
Nov 22, 2012 02:49pm
Now the rich of Pakistan go outside of Pakistan to make merry
AHA
Nov 24, 2012 01:22pm
A nightmare, actually. But yes, not too distant.
LOL
Nov 23, 2012 07:26am
You misunderstand. He was saying exactly the opposite of what you think. He is not the one who is "fool" here...
Aamir
Nov 23, 2012 07:43pm
Hazrat Pink Floyd ?
dararao
Nov 22, 2012 10:38am
Most of it was very interesting but at the same time controversal on some parts especially politics and religion related pieces.
Indian
Nov 23, 2012 07:32am
It is very sad to see you are justifying the torture given to Ahmadia community ok i will ask you some question please answer them.What is Islam according to you?What will you do for people who don't follow your form of Islam?
Indian
Nov 23, 2012 07:23am
Saudi Arabia is better than Pakistan it takes care of minorities well than Pakistan.
aliG
Nov 24, 2012 04:10pm
You missed the last five installments.
AHA
Nov 24, 2012 01:18pm
They will come for the moderate Sunnis, and soon.
AHA
Nov 22, 2012 05:56pm
No. Religion is not suffering. People are.
Dil
Nov 24, 2012 03:09pm
The three fold increase in crime referred to between 1978 and 2005 compared to the period before it It was the flood of weapons, drugs and refugees to support the fight against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan that caused the increase in crime and not the banning of night clubs and alcohol, which the writer is implying. The United States around the same time supported a lot of Sunni extremist groups founded by Pakistanis supported by the CIA to ensure there was a fissure between Pakistan and Iran after the Islamic revolution in Iran. The fruit of this allowed un-checked by the Pakistan army, ever trusting of the Americans can be seen in the crime levels of today I hope the establishment and the people learn lesson and not allow such hate groups to flourish under the banner of Islam.
Patrick Lobo
Nov 22, 2012 06:39pm
If India and Pakistan can put aside their little differences and learn to peacefully co-exist, the lives of 1.5 billion people would improve. I pray that politicians on either side see the light and that radicals both Hindu, Muslim and other would one day be marginalized..........am I just a dreamer ??
AHA
Nov 22, 2012 06:10pm
Abusing people through religion is the easiest thing to do. Tried and tested throughout history.
abbastoronto
Nov 22, 2012 06:47pm
Our Prophet negotiated with the Kuffar. His winning strategy: 1. Stalemate with the enemy to make him realize that he can not win 2. Then a Peace Treaty at any cost, even on unfavourable terms 3. Then Victory without warfare.
Chatha "-Keemati Hira"
Nov 24, 2012 12:06pm
You missed showing or mentioning the defeat of Pakistani forces at the hands of India's Gen. Jagjit Singh Arora. who helped liberate Bangla Desh.This was just about the most important mentionable moment when Pakistani Millitary atrosities of killing thousands of muslim students, women, children , scholars, leaders od Bangali inheritance were buchered by Pakistani Regime. Yes it is a shameful event and you are too-ashamed to show them. Anyway,thanks for some of the historical spins.
abbastoronto
Nov 23, 2012 08:23pm
A shame indeed.
Tahir
Nov 23, 2012 04:37pm
ZAB. Zia just codified into draconian law. Bhutto is the man directly responsible for this backward slide.
abbastoronto
Nov 22, 2012 05:33pm
The West is not Christian, but Hellenized. Islam as a civilization did not produce a fraction of what the Hellenes did in ancient times and in modern times, and that was because of the anti-knowledge Kaliphate. Most of the Islam's Greats - Jabir bin Hayyan, Al-Biruni, Ibn Sine, al-Hazen, et al ran away from the Kaliphate, whether in Damascus, Baghdad, or in Istanbul. It may be of news to you that the Fatimites founded the first university in the world in Fustat, the al-Azhar, however, Salahuddin Ayyubi, the darling of the Kaliphate-lovers, acting upon a fatwa from Al-Ghazzali that research on matter was ungodly, turned Al-Azhar into a theological school. Thank Salahuddin for the backwardness of Islam today.
AA
Nov 23, 2012 05:56pm
Shias of Pakistan did not support Sunnis to create Pakistan...it was in fact the Shias who created it and were supported by the Sunnis...those who are now better known as the Jihadis were not in favour of creating Pakistan.
Atif
Nov 22, 2012 03:47pm
The prosperity was there because of freedom. More ad came to Pakistan in Zia regime and Pak-Us relationship was at its best during at that time.
Faisal
Nov 22, 2012 06:20pm
Maybe in your head it is, not in reality. Forgiveness and Brotherhood of 'Muslims' not 'man'.
Shahid Latif
Nov 26, 2012 01:29pm
A nice reminder to show the extent of change. It is like watching a family album. Very interesting. NFP please show us more.