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President of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari, addresses the 67th session of the United Nations General Assembly with a photo of Pakistan's late Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto next to him at UN headquarters Tuesday, Sept. 25, 2012. — Photo by AP

NEW DELHI: Has President Asif Ali Zardari’s reference to the Kashmir dispute in his UN speech spoiled the chances of an early visit to Pakistan by Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh?

The Hindustan Times said on Sunday it could be one of the factors in New Delhi’s calculations not to press the accelerator for a summit. No official decision has so far been announced though.

“Officials in the know in Delhi aren’t sanguine about Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visiting Pakistan in the near future,” the paper said in a report which for the first time cited “officials” rather than “sources”.

“They cite many reasons for it, notable among them being the lack of domestic support for scaling up dialogue without tangible progress on disputes dealt directly by the Pakistan army,” the paper said.

“There isn’t much enthusiasm for upgrading talks even in our Punjab that’s usually receptive to peace initiatives,” said an official.

He felt a summit-level visit can be helpful to the bilateral process only when there’s something to show to the people by way of achievement.

“Visible movement is there on issues on which the army has given the PPP-led civilian regime a relatively free hand – improved visa regimes, promotion of trade and people-to-people contact,” the paper said.

But there has been no substantive progress on combating cross-border terrorism, Siachen, Sir Creek or Afghanistan “that are under the GHQ’s charge”, it quoted a well-placed source as saying.

The paper says that the Pakistan army has returned to its original plank of self-determination for Kashmiris as envisaged under the relevant UN resolutions that India believes have been superseded by the Shimla Pact, the essence of which is bilateralism.

“A reflection of it was found in President Asif Zardari’s speech to the United Nations General Assembly, in which he referred to the Kashmir dispute symbolising the failure of the UN process.”

His comments met with Indian Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna’s rebuttal, reiterating New Delhi’s standard formulation of Kashmir being an integral part of India.

Updated Oct 07, 2012 09:05pm

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urawal
Oct 08, 2012 07:36am
Elections are due.......Zardari needs support and as per DAWN reference also .......Was his speech for UN or for people back home................Of course any ones guess..............He must be the first person to try and encash his wife's popularity by displaying her photograph during his speech......for every one else to see back home.......... Same images will be used to brainwash the gullible people................ He had to choose........do this stunt or make conditions favorable for Indian PM to visit........He chose the former..............After all he has to rule and then pass on the mantle to ...........???
Jawad Hussaini (@SJawadHussaini)
Oct 08, 2012 07:20pm
HA.. Baluchistan is not Bangladesh India is wasting money and time
Lax
Oct 08, 2012 07:27pm
Nobody can help President Zardari other than himself.
Muhammad Omer Khan
Oct 08, 2012 07:40pm
Peace through Power, that is the motto of a computer game I play, why am I mentioning this here? I guess it's bedtime
Muhammad Omer Khan
Oct 08, 2012 07:41pm
Oh you Indians, so good at provoking people, so good.
Rao
Oct 09, 2012 01:05pm
Very True
Hasnain Haque
Oct 08, 2012 08:13pm
He didn't much care about her when she was alive. He is making a laughing stock of Pakistanis.
ram
Oct 08, 2012 08:13pm
Few nukes....both sides....only solution...Pray soon Arrogance of old old history
raju
Oct 08, 2012 10:16am
where is the sincerity on the part of Pakistan, Pakistan is already dragging its feet on visa implementation and what else could you expect. I sincerely feel its better to remain this way then to waste time of meetings and eyewash.
Zia Khan
Oct 08, 2012 07:08pm
That will make your prime minister a laughing stock. It will be fun though.
Jason
Oct 08, 2012 07:00pm
India failed to abide Shimla Pact. People of Kashmiris still waiting for a chance to self-determination.
Zafar Malik
Oct 08, 2012 06:58pm
i agree with you one hundred percent. If neither dialogue nor war can resolve the issues, better mind your own business and forget about reconciliation. My be in the next century India and Pakistan will have leaders with courage and vision needed to tackle these problems. Perhaps Palestinian/Israeli dispute will be resolved before India/Pakistan dispute.
akil akhtar
Oct 08, 2012 10:45pm
Raise it because it is a disputed territory or an occupied territory like Kashmir....Any other reason fits many indian states and teh ongoing insurgencies there. Your illwill towards Pakistan is well documented...
abc
Oct 08, 2012 07:30pm
and so does people of Baluchistan...
David
Oct 08, 2012 07:45pm
Shimla Pact has nothing to do with Kashmiris "chance to self-determination". It was just a pact between the winner (India) and loser (Pakistan) of a war that was fought in 1971, that conclusively ended Pakistan's hope of matching India for dominance in South Asia. What we are seeing now is a continuation of the same process so much so that the same loser is keen on "normalizing" relations with the winner -- in spite of whatever "lip-service" it may give in toothless forums like the UN -- effectively ending whatever little hopes there existed once-upon-a-time for Kashmiris for "chance to self-determination" ...
Jawaid
Oct 09, 2012 11:43am
agreed lets us go for the solution
zak
Oct 09, 2012 07:11am
Pakistan does not need friendship with India-Kashmir will inevitably chose their own destiny-oppression cannot last forever. Pakistan is a regional power on par with India. It is a nucleur power. So Indian's forget 1971-the game has changed. swallow it!
raja hindustani
Oct 09, 2012 07:00am
First Pakistani people need to decide whether they want to resolve our issue through UN or through bilateral talk. The ball is in Pakistan court......... :)
jasus
Oct 08, 2012 09:30pm
right on! absolute truth, leave us alone, don't want don't need any friendship, thanks
Babar Khan
Oct 08, 2012 11:25pm
People of Baluchistan includes the majority of Pushtoons, several Baluchi tribes who are pro Pakistan nad will never want to back away and a couple of tribes who are brain washed by their leaders. Baluchistan shall remain an integral part of Pakistan.
fahid
Oct 08, 2012 09:31pm
Same goes with Pak army, present in high numbers in Baluchistan, Sindh, Karachi and in Frontiers.
Mohinder sandhu
Oct 08, 2012 01:53pm
The relations between india and pakistan are going to improve, once pakistani army takes back seat.It is very important for pakistani civilian goverment to keep pakistani army under its authourity . So the day pakistani army is tamed, the peace between india and pakistan will prevail.
peace47
Oct 08, 2012 07:58am
I dont think majority of young India cares more abt kasmir than jobs, economy and better life... time to move on in life...
proud Pakistani
Oct 08, 2012 07:58am
I think they should have waited till zardari was gone and then start talk at the moment present govt is busy collecting we all know what before departure
abdulazeez
Oct 08, 2012 06:49am
we Indians don't want friendship with pakistan
PN
Oct 08, 2012 09:29pm
'Cause his only accomplishment is being married to her.
Brian
Oct 08, 2012 01:45pm
Its waste of time for India even to try normalize relations with Pakistan, they were never honest and they never will be. Protect our country and our borders from these unreliable. Every attempt we made to normalize relations with them we met with disastrous consequences - whether its Kargil, Parliament attack, Mumbai attack .... Please do not waste our resources or lives of innocent Indians on this as the Pakistani military and its politicians want to keep their status quo by fooling the Pakistani people.
Jawaid
Oct 08, 2012 01:27pm
dont hide the truth by beating about the bush which u r very good
Neer Nayan
Oct 08, 2012 06:24pm
Good!
ramshankerdubey
Oct 09, 2012 01:41pm
India and Pakistan must start a new era of discussion
Rao
Oct 09, 2012 02:02pm
It seems 7 girls, like "COMMODITIES", were bartered to settle a blood feud in Dera Bugti. First look into this heinous act...We can talk about Indo-Pak issues later.....
rakesh kumar
Oct 08, 2012 12:39pm
I am young indian I don't think any young indian give any importance to nation like pakistan. to be honest I personally think pakistan a nation who unnecessary interfere to indian personal affair, but think that people who house itself not in order they are pretend to care taker of entire muslim world. India must start raise the Baluchistan issue next time in UN, even I have my own observation, there will be not any problem any part of world that when muslim start to realized there is other people too in world.
Rajesh
Oct 09, 2012 04:09pm
Such attitudes will lead to self destruction
peddarowdy
Oct 09, 2012 02:27am
Sincerity is always lacking when you are a status quo country. India is happy with the current set up. It is Pakistan who has to coerce and incentivise India to come to the table to talk.
akil akhtar
Oct 08, 2012 10:38pm
Balochistan is not a disputed territory... but I gues you people would love to see it breakaway from pakistan....
Jawaid
Oct 08, 2012 06:31am
Zardari was right in pointing out the failures of UN. This shows Indians are not serious ad they are the cause of terrorism.. you can see how many Indian soldiers are in Kashmir violating human rights.
Pman
Oct 08, 2012 07:46am
I question the Pakistani's armies insistence on cornering a lions share of Pakistan's resources and directing needless hate at India. Stop the hat and you will have peace. You may not get everything you want and neither will India but first stop the hate.
Rao
Oct 08, 2012 07:48am
There has to be give and take in any relationship....If you want only your issues to be sorted without any movement on issues concerning India, then this is what happens.
RW911
Oct 08, 2012 07:54am
I question the sincerity of the Pakistani govt. to seek peace for ANY human on earth, including their own citizens.
MS
Oct 08, 2012 01:58pm
Do you know how many Pakistanis are violating human rights in Pakistan? You can not count daily deaths on your fingers.
Morad 786
Oct 08, 2012 06:29am
Despite all the problems with PPP Lead government and the Presidency; One must admit that it was a bold and unexpected stance by Zardari....considering the likes of Musharaff had diluted this stance way back!
Keen Observer
Oct 08, 2012 06:25am
I question the sincerity on part of the Indian politicians to seriously seek peace.This time it is blamed on the Indian people.
Rational
Oct 08, 2012 05:45am
I think it would be better if India and Pakistan go their own ways instead of attempting to reconcile irreconcilable differences. Only in villages do people know their neighbors. In cities, particularly in flats, one does not know one's neighbor. Similarly I think if Pakistan and India pursue their own paths without factoring in each other, I suppose there will be more peace and less interference. For 65 years we have tried to deal with each other both in war and peace. But the very engagement with each other seems to be totally futile. Why should we then engage with each other? Let us learn to live, let live and go our separate ways.
Mayank R
Oct 08, 2012 05:33am
No need to cancel visit. Just raise the issue of Baluchistan next time you are in the UN.
Zahir
Oct 08, 2012 09:36pm
okay. Let's try Karachi or Sindh.
Faraz
Oct 09, 2012 05:20am
Come on.. He doesn't even bother about Singh's visit.. He's just playing.. for power
Faraz
Oct 09, 2012 05:26am
He only know about that button.. :)
Feroze Khan
Oct 09, 2012 12:26am
Dr.Manmohan, don't make flimsy excuses. Zardari's speech was a publicity pioy , besides you too had no constructive agenda. K word (Kashmir) is no,no when India talks to Pakistan. Other than this, what is the pressing issue ?
ali
Oct 08, 2012 09:37pm
The Indian PM should take his time to think about his trip to Pakistan, there is no reason for any rush.
p r sharma
Oct 09, 2012 03:46am
To you solution lies only what Pakistan demands is met
rahat
Oct 09, 2012 03:56am
what about human rights at karachi, swat, baluchistan..........?
Zia Khan
Oct 08, 2012 11:28am
Friendship or no friendship but we have to sort out our problems one way or the other.
Shabut
Oct 08, 2012 06:43pm
It's all toppy drama from both sides.
John
Oct 08, 2012 06:42pm
Why does he carry a picture around everywhere he goes making a laughing stock of himself and the country.
Kuldeep Sharma
Oct 08, 2012 06:16pm
haha LOL!!!
Neer Nayan
Oct 08, 2012 06:28pm
Another good one. Pragmatism at its best.. & simplest!
Kunal Patil
Oct 08, 2012 05:47pm
You just press the right button.
Avi
Oct 08, 2012 04:33pm
Are yaar kiyo , aane jaane mei $$ waste karte ho, char kar lo internet par, waise bhi kuch hone waala hai nahin, jaisa ki pichle 60-70 saal mei kuch nahin hua.
Raj
Oct 08, 2012 03:55pm
There are no problems if there is no friendship, you on your way and we go the other, bye, we don't need any friendship
Rafiq
Oct 08, 2012 03:41pm
Friendship with pakistan is just waste of time and energy. We should focus on other things like developing infrastructure, rails, health care and so on. Pakistanis are self eulogists.