An unposted letter to PM Singh

Published Sep 10, 2012 05:08pm

Dear Mr Singh,

I have never before addressed a person of your stature so do forgive me for my casual style of speech. Firstly, I would like to express my gratitude to you and your government for considering over 900 Pakistani Hindu citizens eligible for Indian nationality. It is a great gesture indeed for the Hindus who once lived in Pakistan, however, you must also realise that Christians, and even Muslims are not exactly ‘at peace’ in this country either.

I understand that Hindus remain your government’s first priority because many in your government identify with them; however, I still want to direct your attention towards the hundreds of Hazaras who are executed every day in broad daylight on the streets of Pakistan. I wanted to ask if you could lend a helping hand to the countless Christians who live in fear of being arrested or murdered for committing blasphemy in the country. The scores of civilian dying in the north-western side of Pakistan because of militancy and drone strikes could also avail your assistance, that is, if you plan to offer any.

You and a few representatives of the Indian government must also have a rendezvous with Ahmadis to understand how they face religious persecution in every aspect of their lives. I insist you meet with Pakistanis who are desperate to bring about a positive change in the society and see how they are threatened and harassed in ways that are unfathomable by many.

I am sure you would know all the details about political asylum but will reiterate that it is not easy for all Pakistanis to seek asylum in countries such as United Kingdom, United States, Canada and Australia as many of them do not have the resources to do the same. India remains the only hope for many people who can reach the country via Attari with minimum resources.

The level of desperation felt by some Pakistanis can evidently be gauged by the fact that some of them are even ready to migrate to Afghanistan — a country whose many inhabitants migrated to Pakistan in search of ‘refuge’ after the US invaded their country.

Mr Singh, we all do appreciate your humanitarian policies and would urge you to expedite the citizenship process of Pakistani Hindus, however, I find it my duty to inform you that people who profess other religions in Pakistan are equally deprived of peace and should be given an opportunity to seek asylum in India. Why is this move focused towards Hindus? Don’t you think that the Indian government, while at it, should chalk out a strategic plan to cater to Pakistanis — irrespective of caste and religion — whose lives are threatened within the boundaries of Pakistan?

Various members of the Indian government are corresponding with you on the status of Hindus who migrated to India to seek shelter. One of them is Laxmikanta Chawla who, amongst many other points, stated that, “Since the Pakistani government has failed to protect its minorities from frequent atrocities so the Indian government needs to look after them.”

Going by what Chawla said I must request you to not be so harsh on our government which is currently embroiled in a conflict with the superior judiciary and has other important tasks at hand rather than safeguarding the interest of the very people for which it was elected. It is important that you understand that the government of Pakistan is not only unable to look after its minorities but is also incapable of catering to the heavy majority and ensuring their safety.

Mr Singh, many Pakistanis will refuse to openly admit this but most of us would like to be considered eligible for Indian nationality. The reason behind our desire to move is extremely simple. It is because India since 1947 has grown as a nation, an economy and a country. Despite of the poverty and other related issues, we all see India as a progressive society and in a very positive light. We all want to live in a country which is ruled by secular politicians where fascist elements are given minimum representation in the parliament; a country where people can coexist or at least consider this ideology a welcoming thought.

You caught your Kasab but what about the numerous Kasabs who are ready to wipe out the entire population of Pakistan by flagging them as infidels, anti-Islam, pro-India, US puppets and just plain secular? What about us who continue to strive for a change, however, feel helpless at the hands of the radical elements freely roaming around in Pakistan? Is there any solace for us?

Mr Singh, this might not be news to you but every life which is snubbed out in a militant or violent attack in Pakistan pushes the progress made by the handful of Pakistanis who believe in mutual respect for peace, life and religious diversity, a hundred steps back.

It is indeed with a heavy heart that I leave Pakistan today in search of a safer country — a place where I can express myself freely without being threatened and flagged as a heretic.

En route to a strange country, crossing the all too familiar roads of Karachi, I saw a poster featuring Jinnah with a small line stating “Pakistan needs you”. Mr Singh, never before did I feel such fierce emotion. The words struck me and for the first time in my life, made me realise that we all have failed Jinnah and the Pakistan he envisioned.

Like many others before and after me, I am running for safer pastures where my life will be valued and respected, leaving my fellow countrymen behind to fight with the demons that dictate the order of the day in Pakistan, my home.

I don’t know what would I have done if was given an option to move to India. Perhaps, I would have moved but this is a question that will remain unanswered unless your government starts treating dejected Pakistanis on equal footing as Hindus.

Sincerely, One amongst many Pakistanis striving for a progressive change.

 


Faiza Mirza
The writer is a Reporter at Dawn.com


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Indian
Sep 10, 2012 08:11pm
You are welcome but you might be disillusioned.Don't be defeatist. Your country has problems unique to your country and my country has problem unique to mine. Educate your people. Tell them to love themselves and their neighbor. By the way a lot of Bangladeshis came to India and have taken up jobs of daily wagers in India. I don't know why they left their land. But I would suggest if you want to leave leave for Canada because it is probably the most multicultural western society. You can try China too given that it is a great friend of Pakistan. In India you would be disappointed. It is not as bad as some Pakistani gentlemen here have pointed out but it is not as good as Canada or China either. So if you are leaving leave for the better pastures. Frankly I would suggest you to stay and educate your people on loving themselves and their neighbors. The land of Baba Bulle Shah can't be all doom and gloom. All we should try to be good and get out of this hate which seems creeping in Pakistan. Everyone is hating someone. Pakistan should start loving and start that home. A lot of blame on government in Pakistan . Indian government is no great saint either but given the entrepreneurship spirit we see in everyday survival, try and bypass the government.
Ahsan Iftikhar (@Ahsan_Iftikhar)
Sep 10, 2012 11:01am
Greatly stated out of proportion by my brother, who wrote the letter. I think the Government of Pakistan should identify the list of all such people and help them in seeking asylum to whichever country they desire to go. You have to stay steadfast on your ground amidst difficult times and through the thick and thin. If you are not willing to put in that effort then, you should be relieved of all the expectations. In my beloved country it is not the matter of religion, it is because of the global phenomenon (terrorism), in which Pakistan has been the worst victim (for War on Terror). Had it been religiously motivated, then you would have seen it for the minorities only. But you see excesses against all people irrespective of religion or sect.(Muslims(Sunni & Shia), Christians, Hindus, Ahmedis etc,) And frankly, how many of us had listened to this paramount excesses against Shia, Hindus, Misuse of Blasphemy laws, and many other problems that emerged since 9/11. The basic issue is bad Governance and complete inability of our leaders, establishment and nation (who vote for dumbsters again and again) in dealing with key issues at the right time. Anyhow, coming back to the point. Anybody who wishes to get off the boat because they can't sustain the storms should be allowed to get off the boat, in-fact, they should be helped to the safely of the shore which they perceive. I say it without any ill feeling for my Hindu brother who wrote this letter and wishes him best of luck.
ROHIT PANDEY
Sep 12, 2012 01:31am
The partition was a bloody amputation.Gandhi called it the 'vivisection of India' I think the partition saved India ,,otherwise it would have be torn apart with a huge Muslim population bent on arcane and esoteric "religious" experiments plunging India into chaos. Thank God for a life-saving amputation...the gangrenous part has putrefied!
pathanoo
Sep 11, 2012 06:13pm
WOW!!!! You are one clear eyed, brave man.
Venkat
Sep 12, 2012 02:52am
Good thing, at least one Pakistani awakened by Faiza Mirza's journalism. Dont blame her, accept facts and awaken society, be brave and stop crying.
Garib Manus
Sep 11, 2012 05:29pm
Dear Mirza, There is no Hindustan; it is India or Bharat. By constitution, we are secular, and most Indians want it that way--India belongs to all of its citizens.
vijay
Sep 11, 2012 04:05pm
Dear Faiza Mirza, My honest advise to you and people interested in migrating to India. Do not wait for something to happen as a policy of country, which might take long time to conceive and enforce. But for immediate need, just apply for visit visa to India and after landing let the officials know that you intend to stay and sure things will adjust as per your desire (though it may take time to obtain citizenship). India is a secular country and can not deny right to livelihood to anyone based on religion, which is against Indian constitution.
Junjua
Sep 11, 2012 07:03pm
Ms. Mirza, if your objective to write this was to get audience and sympathies from across the border, then I must congratulate you that you have been successful. But if your intention was to demoralize Pakistanis then you would be utterly disappointed that u have failed in that. Pakistan will be much better off without a parasite like you. Green grass that you are seeing from across the border is not that green once u are there.
naren
Sep 11, 2012 07:51pm
You really have freedom of expression in Pak? I doubt it...Wondering why FATWA wasn't issued yet!!!
Abbas
Sep 12, 2012 08:51am
Very well said
Shabut
Sep 11, 2012 05:55pm
I would certainly second this.
VA
Sep 10, 2012 11:06am
There is no Hindu rule in India dear,the capable and elected rule here.Enemy is your perception.Can't you read/see the shining Muslim names here? One of the richest is Azim Premji. No body will dare to ask his religion here.Lacs of people are working under him in Wipro. Like that entire film world so on. Capable do things here.
Ali Hassan Ayub
Sep 10, 2012 08:02pm
you are a traitor. Go move to india
Ryan
Sep 11, 2012 08:05pm
Great article Faiza.. except the part where you write: "The words struck me and for the first time in my life, made me realise that we all have failed Jinnah and the Pakistan he envisioned." Really? Have you heard of Direct Action Day? Your country was formed after spilling the blood of countless innocent Indians by your so-called founding fathers and to that extent, you stay true to their original message. Any country being run on the basis of rules laid down by some 1400 year old barbarian is destined to be a failure. You cannot have your cake and eat it too -- You cannot be liberal and simultaneously subscribe to a religion which brands everybody who deviates from its narrow fundamentalist world view as 'Kafirs'. 'Moderate' muslims may rationalize all they want, but the so-called fundamentalists are simply obeying the commands of their beloved prophet. All the best trying to hammer sense into them!
vikram
Sep 10, 2012 10:36am
Dear Fazia, I am myself trying to get citizenship of Italy. Madam has promised. Manmohan Singh
naren
Sep 11, 2012 08:44pm
Dude she ain't going anywhere!! Keep her there
Ghani Khan
Sep 12, 2012 09:05pm
Dr.Waheed , add to your observations, an Australian Christian missionary was burnt alive in one of the southern Indian states. 2000 muslims massacred in Gujarat while state chief minister, Modi quietly watched. Massacre of Sikhs & attack on Darbar Sahib Amritsar after the assassination of Indra Gandhi. A country where Hindu religion sanctions caste system,I was wondering what would be the status of Ms. Mirza if her wish comes true ..
Shabut
Sep 11, 2012 05:51pm
Good for you Zaheer. I have also met many Indian muslims in the USA and Europe, they tell a different story about India though. If India was all that good I don't understand why so many Indians (mostly Hindus) still want to move to other countries?
A Pakistani
Sep 12, 2012 04:48am
I am totally disappointed by the writer's thoughts and vision he or she have in her mind. I just wanna ask the writer " What if your loved ones are in trouble? Do you leave them there or try to pull them out of the crisis? ". This country has given everything to you and me. We exist because our beloved country exist. Think for a while, what have we given back to this country except talking rubbish about our own country. Why cant we try together to eliminate few black sheep's who are responsible for bringing bad name to Pakistan. I am sure our country suffers because we don't take care. I love my country, I love my Pakistan. I would request all Pakistani's to respect our motherland. If we are unable to do any thing good for our country, at least don't project bad picture to the world.
Bablu
Sep 11, 2012 07:16pm
Would it have made a difference if she wrote about poor governance? Has it ever? Many write and many die trying, but nothing changes. Where is the Pakistan Spring? Have been waiting for it for a while now?
John
Sep 11, 2012 10:40pm
Fact that she wants to"start living in your worst neighbours house for life" just demonstrates the state of her own house which she is desperate to leave due to no other choice.Besides the writer has written sarcastically to make a point to those who who live in denial.
Anwar Amjad
Sep 12, 2012 12:15am
So-called journalist Ms Faiza Mirza moves to India - what a great news for all Pakistanis. Please fulfil your dream Faiza. Pakistan will be a much better country without people like you.
p kumar
Sep 11, 2012 07:33pm
my name is not parveen kumar and i wasn't being personal.i agree with you that it doesn't matter to anybody in pakistan if remaining 1% hindus go away.However,i was just stating what interior minister did and was widely reported in pakistani newspapers.you may google it and look for yourself.
Noble Lucifer
Sep 12, 2012 12:32am
So, a typical Pakistani, Mr. Amjad, tell Faiza that his country will be better-off with out her. I guess many like you are already telling the same to Pakistani Shias, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Balochis etc. Further, had this letter been to Mr Obama, you would have gone saying 'Me too'.
Hasan_Sana
Sep 12, 2012 07:52am
Mr. Tirmizi Thanks for being so clear! Many Pakistanis are leaving the country but this lady has surpassed 'Rationale' to sound utterly absurd, idiotic and a laughing material. Her words n info seems to be naive, she might not herself be. Because the world knows, if few thousand Muslims are prosperous in India, then million others are living miserably. I cannot accept how 'Dawn' has allowed an article, which is not even reasonable. Dear Faiza, Pakistanis are definitely leaving the country but no one dreams to go to India, except for people like Veena Malik, so you would have sounded more wise, selecting any other country for your article. It just seems to be written for another purpose n not just expressing her demotivation.
Ganesh (India)
Sep 11, 2012 05:50pm
50000 illegal Indian immigrants in Karachi!!... Perhaps they might be are staying there since partition in 1947 !!!!
Yaser
Sep 11, 2012 04:56pm
Yes we have issues in Pakistan but all our medi do is highlight negativity only .... Who knows if the parents of writers were in india she might be among eight million female foetuses may have been aborted in the past decade............. Just read the link. :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13264301
Krishna
Sep 10, 2012 09:38am
Awesome Faiza, I always felt that India has a moral responsibility of accommodating Pakistani hindus seeking political asylum..But I was amazed by your questioning that when asylum per se is a moral subject then why discriminate on the basis of religion..I agree with you that giving asylum should be based on humanitarian grounds rather than religious grounds..
Digvijay Singh
Sep 11, 2012 05:27pm
You do not need to apply for asylum to India. You can sneak in via the porous borders by paying Sonia's election fund officers. You will be given a election voters card and a ration card - remember to vote for Congress.
z2cents
Sep 11, 2012 11:17pm
Easy to say when you are not the one being killed. You call all Pakistanis family when it suits your convinience.
Indian Reader
Sep 12, 2012 04:15am
So many Ahmediyas have also applied for Indian citizenship. Christians are also welcomed. About Muslims, Mr Jinnah created Pakistan for a better land for Muslims and so many Muslims in pakistan claimed they are happy in Pakistan.
anony
Sep 12, 2012 06:00am
Its sad to see such an article. Instead of being a proud Pakistani, and working for the betterment of the homeland, the writer wishes to move to india, which is responsible for half of our troubles. Please don't be ashamed of being a Pakistani, no matter how tough our country is going through. After all, all the rest of the proud Pakistanis are still living and surviving in this country.
Shahid
Sep 12, 2012 06:41am
Please do not be upset or get sentimental from the article. This sarcastic article raises questions as why someone is leaving the country even a HINDU who have equal rights (unfortunately on papers) as any other 'Muslim Citizen'. Clearly, as you all know, protecting Pakistani Citizen's life is nowhere in Governments agenda. Accept the on ground reality my fellow countrymen...
Javed
Sep 12, 2012 04:00am
Sorry boss...we do not want any of you to migrate in our country.....as just to close your eyes and escape is not a solution at all. Waise bhi apni aabadi kya kam hain...jo dusro ke bojh bhi uthayenge ;)
Rakesh Kotti
Sep 11, 2012 03:15pm
...for the same reason that the whole world came to India over the centuries....And people of Indian origin have become legislators, governors, and even PMs of other countries!
John
Sep 11, 2012 10:51pm
Whatever he still has a point by the way what is yours?
zarrar
Sep 11, 2012 10:32pm
I wish we had never, never, never became Pakistan
Who Dunit
Sep 11, 2012 05:52pm
Wow..things must be really bad in Pakistan for this article to be written and then published. I have not lived in Pakistan for over a decade, but I can say that even then it was the law of the jungle that prevailed. Two things that have destroyed a country with immense potential are corruption and religious extremism. If we can only remember that we must be good humans who readily tolerate and even help other humans then we have a chance. Alas it is a tall order.
Imran
Sep 11, 2012 06:17pm
Just to remind you Faisal that Turkey has been under military rule for several decades in the past and is also home to US / NATO forces. Is India even close to Turkey in human development and quality of life? As for the drone attacks, the average Pakistani is not the intended target of these and has nothing to fear from them. So your arguments are a bit thin.
suneel
Sep 11, 2012 05:21pm
raqibwyne, you will write good satire....
Mervyn Hosein
Sep 12, 2012 06:22am
The sickening realization, some years ago that the country I and my children were born in was no more the 'haven' Jinnah or any other sane person had visualized made me ensure that my children should not be captive in the deep pit of inequality and hatred that we have created and allowed to be created.I am glad Faiza has managed to make the move that most good Pakistanis will be increasingly deprived of. With dedication, work ethos and a modicum of luck she will get to move beyond, 'second class citizens in somefirst class country" to just 'equal citizen'! Sadly, that she would never achieve here.
pankajdehlavi
Sep 12, 2012 08:27am
Ab Pakistani ko Paki nahi bolna hua to kya bolna hey. Why 'Paki' is considered a slang ? Pakistan means land of pure and paki means pure. What is slang in it. When people love someone too much they call him by his shortened name. Why you feel offensive in it ? Can you explain me ? Just imagine, whole world loves so much to you Pakistanis that they have started calling you by shortened name. Being an Indian, I am feeling jealous.
dr vimal raina
Sep 12, 2012 07:07am
kamal kar diya tariq sahab..koi to mila
RJ
Sep 11, 2012 05:06pm
Nah you came back because you were called a Paki
Belal Malik
Sep 12, 2012 08:17am
Miss Faiza. Your frustration speaks for the masses...no doubt about that part. But is this the solution to all this which has hurt you so much. Running away from it...........it will be termed as a very cowardly act. I also live in this mess you have pointed out at and raising 3 kids. every now and then it comes acrsoss my mind...what are we going to leave for our kids. So i try even harder. Instead of writing this letter to the Honorable PM of India, it would have been much better if you channted this letter standing at a busy crossing in Karachi. That would have moved some people and maybe sparked courage in few. that is what our society needs right now. The educated community of our society to come forward, instead of crying on these issues on their laptops and lounges. Has ever any mother disowned a rude, misbahving or disobedient child.....Never heard about it in my life time. Every society has its own problems, even indiain society has huge problems BUT THEY ARE FACING THEM WITH COURAGE......NOT LIKE YOU......Atleast now we know there are some mothers who will disown their child. You are one of them.
raqibwyne
Sep 11, 2012 06:45pm
very difficult choice between veena & faiza. Ham se aya na gaya, unse bulaya na gaya
FxZee
Sep 10, 2012 09:40am
Welcome to India, My sister
MJK
Sep 11, 2012 08:14pm
Vijay : Thanks, that is what rest of us would like to suggest. Ms. Mirza get a visa, go to India & claim political asylum & live in that enchanted land .A dream come true for you.Leave your troubles behind for us - Most of us love Pakistan, no matter how difficult life is, we will endure.
Raj
Sep 12, 2012 02:42am
I suggest you the same, you should try to help your nation by building a society and kids study based on co-existence and tolerance. Nation will definitely see better development after that.
Tahir
Sep 11, 2012 08:11pm
So, when are you moving to India, Faiza Mirza? Further, when are you posting this letter and please don't include my name while you may ask other Pakistanis before you become Messiah for them. Lasst but not least, do tell us your feelings after you have spent some time living in India. Since your I, you fellow Pakistani, may not be able to say good bye to you when you cross Atari, lemme say it now, Khuda Hafiz!
pathanoo
Sep 11, 2012 06:10pm
Great Sentimental ideal and I would be all for it. But you have not seriously considered the inclusion of over 100 Million+ hard core religious fanatics who would bring the poison of hatred with them. And what about th ehate preaching illiterate Mullahas? India has it's own haters, Thank God too few to tear the fabric of the Republic but troublesome none the less. Why would you take a chance. More over, you can NEVER turn back the clock of History.
Shabut
Sep 11, 2012 05:58pm
No wonder why muslims and christians get attacked and killed in India from time to time. You mentality also proves how secular India is.
raqibwyne
Sep 11, 2012 06:59pm
you mean asylum seeker's culture journalism ?
Adeel Abbas
Sep 10, 2012 08:25am
Spot on! Since i heard that Hindu minorities are being given assylum in India for their religious percecution, I realized that I would be eligible for the assylum on the same ground to the "SECULAR" India. As our former PM says "who is stopping them", I realized that my green passport was stopping me and even after that Rehman Malik was stopping us on the fear of migrating to India. Our "bad"- Luck is stopping us. Pakistan was not made for these religious extremists, and had it been made as per them, as today, I am against this two nation theory.
zafar
Sep 11, 2012 07:15pm
An article representing the feeling of hopeless minorities of pakistan.
usman
Sep 11, 2012 08:34pm
i loved the article , wish the partition had never happened in the first place , i was , i am and i will always be for a unified india
Watson
Sep 11, 2012 04:58pm
The government of the day has failed Pakistan, no doubt, but. if the writer thinks she will have a better life in a problematic country like India then a quicker way to get in is by bribing somebody at the lower level and not bother the Indian PM. She will be in India in no time but she has to make sure that she travels on a one way ticket.
Alam K
Sep 12, 2012 12:01pm
Why can't you Indians mind your own business, read your Daily Papers, evidently not worth reading.If you are so concerned, sign a petition & ask Manmohan Singh to issue a visa to Ms.Mirza, you can have her.She has earned enough notoriety in Pakistan.
indian
Sep 12, 2012 12:01pm
really awesome
Vijay
Sep 12, 2012 12:51pm
Absolutly this is why pakistan is different from other nation.
VSingh
Sep 10, 2012 08:20pm
Ms.Mirza, I share your sentiments and appreciate what you have said about India. Radicals in Pakistan have done a great harm to your country and it will be an uphill task for the people of Pakistan to turn the tide. I am sure you that better than us. India on its part has its own challenges but it is definitely changing for good....you are always welcome!! I hope with relaxed visa norms more people from Pakistan would be able to travel to India and vice versa and I am sure it will help build the bridges again.
Ahmed
Sep 11, 2012 05:54am
Sheer exaggeration of issues at hand. Muslim masses do not want to expell minorities from Pakistan. No matter what happens, we will never leave our homeland. May Allah give us all the strength to make it a better place for all.
Raoul Ciao
Sep 11, 2012 05:52am
very well said.....great observation....
Khalid
Sep 10, 2012 08:22pm
What a shame that you did not understand the gist of the article and what a shame that you did not even give your name. As a Pakistani who has lived in England for 25 years, I would still love to return to Pakistan as I miss my birth city of Karachi so very much but can't for obvious reasons. Unless we admit what is wrong with Pakistan, we will never improve...
Debraj
Sep 10, 2012 08:19pm
And where do you read that? Please let us know what your reliable sources. I hope Zaid Hamid's talk shows are not one of the sources.
Laeeq, NY
Sep 10, 2012 07:54pm
Poverty is acceptable but fear of ones life, property, forced conversion of religion and kidnapping is not acceptable. On top of Government's indifference to minorities is the worse which insecure them many folds than the regular Citizens of Pakistan.
Aslam Naseem
Sep 12, 2012 01:09pm
A childish, amateurish blog - Pay no mind , forgive her for she does not know better.Send her a stamp to post the letter.
john
Sep 12, 2012 12:59pm
Jinnah, jai ho from all indian for creating pakiland, the greatest achievement by a man in History
Arif
Sep 10, 2012 07:43pm
I would take Indian nationality or even a residency before one can say, 'Zinda Bhaag'
Gary Sahi
Sep 10, 2012 07:45pm
It takes courage to say what you've said, Faiza. I don't know how many people would realize that. May God bless you.
Azhar uddin (Lahore, Pak).
Sep 10, 2012 07:45pm
Faiza M. - Good try, your piece is a self serving stunt. I am sure across the border, in India you will find plenty of buyers, not here in Pakistan. Already Indian press is busy spewing venom against Pakistan,your column gives them further encouragement. Under the freedom of expression, your employer DAWN knowingly gave you a forum to undermine our national sentiments.
Dr. M Baig
Sep 10, 2012 11:20pm
I cannot believe Dawn published this article, it scorns the very roots of this country. Now that Pakistan is suffering under a hail of conspiracies and destabilised by countries in the region including India this woman wants to immigrate there. I still cannot believe Dawn has published this article. This is not freedom of the press.
Vipul
Sep 10, 2012 11:17pm
The Times used to be a stately newspaper of the caliber of the New York Times. It's degenerated to trash in the last decade.
Asif
Sep 10, 2012 11:16pm
Faiza your point well taken. This article is nothing but a back hand slap on the face of Religious fundamentalist elements of Pakistan who in their retarded brains think they are doing a favor to Pakistan or Pakistanis. Food for though for my Pakistani religious group, 'You are nothing but a total embarrassment for Pakistan and Muslims around the world'.
Vipul
Sep 10, 2012 11:14pm
As an Indian, I'd welcome you and all Pakistanis with open arms to my homeland. You're a brother nation, and logistics aside, I agree that India should welcome your countrymen. However, I'd warn you that the grass is always greener on the other side... We've got our own lunatics roaming our streets and our own flavor of ineffective morons in power. Be well, be safe, wherever you go!
Truth
Sep 10, 2012 06:14pm
The Author only knows about the Bollywood :)
Komal S
Sep 10, 2012 06:14pm
So the establishment goes to their place of worship uninvited and knocks down a few things that they feel they should not use, they go to the graves of dead people and paint over their graves to hide so called islamic verses because they have no right as per your law. If you could systematically use legal and police forces to go after their way of worship, you are surprised that they feel discriminated and ill-treated. I am kind of surprised an average pakistani does not see this as going against the spirit of freedom to practice their faith.
taranveer singh
Sep 10, 2012 06:08pm
Muslim rule of India was cruelest part of human history. except rule of akbar the great. it was rule when kazi ordered to burried alive 9 and 7 year old zoravar Singh and fateh Singh. Hindus were in extremely miserable condition in their own homeland
Akil Akhtar
Sep 10, 2012 11:53pm
What kind of elite are we producing. the biggest problem with pakistan is not the Taliban but the elite who are utterly insincere with this country and question its existence all the time. Shameful..... These elite have done nothing for this country but criticise it...The biggest difference in india is their elite are the most nationalist and all the rest follow.
Abid Virk
Sep 10, 2012 06:03pm
I have seen several headings in this news paper that concerned me about the loyalties of this News paper to Pakistan. Now after reading this article I am very concerned. Has any news paper in India ever allowed such article from Indian Muslims, especially Muslims from Jammu Kashmir to be published? Our nation is facing an international conspiracy and multiple groups in Pakistan are working on external agendas. We should work together to expose and fight those agents and elements instead of cutting the very roots of our country by such articles and headings.
Cyrus Howell
Sep 10, 2012 06:04pm
I imagine she has gone to have a look around. Pakistanis hate any country with 'too much' freedom.They make the peasant slaves want to run off to Hollywood, Bollywood, Las Vegas and Piccadilly Circus.
porkchop
Sep 10, 2012 11:41pm
you must be jealous and fuming?? a typical pakistani attitude towards India, not surprized!
shaan
Sep 10, 2012 11:39pm
I think the author is more smarter and knowledable than you and knows more than you about India! forget about human, even a dog will love to move from Pakistan to India,
Komal S
Sep 10, 2012 06:04pm
Looks like you have forgotten Abdus Salam. Highly qualified to get nobel but left the country for the way the system treated the whole Ahmadi community.
Satish Sharma
Sep 10, 2012 11:36pm
I have heard this from MANY Pakistani's on radio/tv talk shows. Ms. Mirza is the only one who has the guts to put her name to it; I am sure she will be last to avail the opportunity, but she is pointing out a real problem of Pakistan -- no one is secure. India has her faults .. and some people love to point out Gujrat -- but they should ask is there an FIR field for the murder of nearly 200 people in Karachi when Benazir landed? and the list very very very long.
shaan
Sep 10, 2012 11:36pm
Faiza, we love you across your Eastern border, anytime you come to India be my guest, if 50% Pakistanis were like you, it would have been a differnt story altogether, hope sanity prevails with your fellow countrymen and women! the sooner they get rid of India obsession and jealousy the better it is for pakistan.
srinivasakumarmn
Sep 10, 2012 06:07pm
COMEDY OF MILLANIUM... all indian muslims are standing in que in wagah border for thier turn to cross into pakistan... .
Royce
Sep 10, 2012 08:30pm
@shakeel khan, do you Kashmir was last(during independence) ruled by a Hindu king??? do you know what happened to scores of Kashmiri Pundits and their families??? I agree that India do have few lunatics but less and countable when compared to what you have in Pakistan.
abdul qadir
Sep 10, 2012 05:56pm
i agree with her... as a shia i must say this nation has become totally unsafe ...it is a failed state
Cyrus Howell
Sep 10, 2012 06:15pm
"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session." -- Mark Twain
Zulfiqar Ali Syed
Sep 10, 2012 06:16pm
Amazing, such people manage to get a place to hurt the sentiments of Pakistani citizens, Yes we have problems, yes we have issues, yes, we have failures, but yes we have courage to fight it, and we will make our country safe and progressing, like rat, many can chose to run away, and those who have guts will sacrifies and put things right. I am in for fight, like any other pakistani, question is whether you are
abbastoronto
Sep 10, 2012 11:06pm
I hope Ms. Mirza was speaking tongue in cheek. Ms. Mirza is well advised to visit India first to see first hand. Here in north America I have lived both in Canada and USA. The people here share the same race, language, religion, food, dress, culture, economic system, yet no two people are more different than each other. Canadians like Law and Order Democracy, where American prefer individual Freedom and Republic. In fact these are the very two things that divide Indians and Pakistanis. India is civilized, democratic, but a class society that seeks law and order. But Pakistanis love freedom and hate government. India is a Democracy, like UK and Canada, while Pakistan is a Republic as are all Muslim countries, France, PRC and USA. Jinnah recognized that Muslims could not live under the system that Nehru preferred. We in Canada have fought many wars with the US - in fact we burned down the White House in 1812. But today we have the most porous border in the world. India and Pakistan, while recognizing to be different in psyche should attempt to do the same. Running away across the fence is not the answer for the grass is never greener on the other side.
taranveer singh
Sep 10, 2012 06:20pm
it is Pakistan who is getting financial support from other countries not India. it gets billions of dollars frm USA and ksa . India is a big aid provider to other countries like African nations or Bangladesh. India provides big money to IMF. search and correct yourself
Jiten Maurya
Sep 10, 2012 06:21pm
Why do u always compare yourselves with India? Compare with USA, France , .. who are more successful not only in prosparity but also in humanity.
Mohammed
Sep 10, 2012 06:22pm
I am all for reflection and constructive self-criticism, however I Believe Pakistani Liberal’s need to gain some perspective. Religious fundamentalism, ethnic strife, weak and corrupt central governments are not unique to Pakistan. They exist in most developing, post colonial states including India. The ‘progressive’ India which Faiza describes is a fictional entity which exists only in the idealised ramblings of Gandhi and ‘India shining’ campaigns. India’s secular traditions are skin dep. They have evolved, been damaged by communal riots are under attack by the surge of Hindutva. Nehruvian socialism is dead and poverty stark. Perhaps we should we send Pakistani Christian’s to Odissa, Ahmadis back to Qadian? Shiv Sena would surely welcome a surge of Pakistani Muslim’s to Mumbai. Hindu nationalist are already worried about Muslim population growth. They would gladly accept us if we all converted to Hinduism. Now that is tolerance, the Hindutva way. My family like millions migrated to Pakistan and we would never go back to India. We have a duty to loyalty and struggle to improve condition not to run opportunistically to a hostile and unwelcoming nation.
Truth
Sep 10, 2012 06:22pm
Mrs Mirza you can leave pakistan, we want to get rid of people like you, Pakistan doesnt need you. People like you give bad name to Pakistan, the only difference between you and a terrorist is that they use gun and you use a Pen (or a keyboard)
Gita
Sep 10, 2012 10:56pm
This is truly sad Faiza. I hope you are going to a country more welcoming. With all its faults, what is great about India is its pluralism. No single Group holds all the cards and hence, the only way forward is by 'live and let live'. There is very little doubt that hundreds of Shias being blown up daily in Pakistan do not face a similar fate in India. It is impossible to create a nation through enforced commanality and pakistan is a case in point. Simply creating a nation by being an Islamic State, immediately precludes non-muslims and further,non-Sunnis. In India, a Tamil Muslim President, who speaks fluent Sanskrit became the head of the Space Organization. This can only happen because of the secular nature of India, which has served the country well. Twenty years ago nobody would have said that India's GDP would reach 1.8 Trillion. I am sure Dr. Singh has read your plea Faiza and India will welcome you there
Abdul
Sep 10, 2012 06:28pm
I can afford to give oneway ticket to India to any one living in Pakistan, author is not exempt. The problem with Pakistanis, they do not understand their rights. Freedom and rights are not free anywhere, you have to fight for.
Aalee
Sep 10, 2012 10:55pm
I think everyone is missing the point. It is a rhetorical piece of work and that is how it should be seen. All those crticising the poor girl should just answer this one question: Why would anyone want to live in a country where they can be pulled of a bus, or stopped on the road and shot to death because of their name or religious belief. What motivation would anyone have to live in a country where it is an every day affair for mobs to beat people to death and nothing is done about it? And why would anyone want to be a part of a socient where murderes proclaim in front of the highest court, of killing hundreds of innocent people and are let go. Faiza's article should have provoked thought instead of a reflex reaction from every one. Please accept it that Pakistan is not only a failed country but also a failed society!!!!
An Indian in Delhi
Sep 10, 2012 06:28pm
1) Despite what you read in the papers, Pakistani Hindus are not welcome in India. They only serve their purpose for political point scoring. Good for India, hopefully good for the prosecuted Hindus, not good for Pakistan as a nation. 2) Good news is that your application will not be rejected due to your religion. Instead, it will be rejected due to your nationality(without other redeeming qualities that is). 3) To other Pakistani friends, who are angry at poor Ms. Faiza for being a quitter. You fools, that letter is not really addressed to Manmohan Singh. She knows that it is not going to be read by him. Guess who it is intended for. Hint: Check the readership of the newspaper it is published in.
Ram Krishan Sharma
Sep 10, 2012 06:29pm
Well said Mr. Feroz . Totally agree with you that once we were one and the same people. Faiza is most welcomed in India like any other Pakistani Hindu .
Cyrus Howell
Sep 10, 2012 10:52pm
To dream the impossible dream To fight the unbeatable foe To bear with unbearable sorrow To run where the brave dare not go. To right the unrightable wrong To be better far than you are To try when your arms are too weary To reach the unreachable star This is my quest, to follow that star, No matter how hopeless, no matter how far To be willing to give when there’s no more to give To be willing to die so that honor and justice may live And I know if I’ll only be true to this glorious quest That my heart will lie peaceful and calm when I’m laid to my rest
Madhu Shanmughan
Sep 10, 2012 06:31pm
Atif, I agree with you. Each one of us should try to improve the situation in our own country - be it India, Pakistan or any other country in the world. And it makes it much easier to succeed if people of India and Pakistan cooperate more as citizens of two independent countries with a common heritage.
nana
Sep 10, 2012 06:34pm
why not spell out the community? Indian ruling elite (left over of East India Company - Divide and Rule) is allowing Muslims to have more say than secular Indian civilizational ethos (read Hindu). Author who is trying to run away from pure Islam or Arab culture may find it in many places of India. You will be able to enjoy your freedom if you are in majority Hindu areas, but you might not have that freedom if you are in Kashmir valley, MallamPuram, Kerala or some districts of Assam.
Ali Niazi
Sep 10, 2012 10:46pm
During the elections this time around, leave your home along with your family and vote. Also if the elections are not fair then stand up for it, get out on the streets and do whatever it takes to get rid of the corrupt leadership. After all Egypt did it. It can be done.
Shaukat USA
Sep 10, 2012 10:45pm
Excellent analysis by you. A very well written article.
p kumar
Sep 10, 2012 06:36pm
i have written in dawn's readers responses before and i write again that shia are welcome in india.india are the second largest shia nation after iran and also have friendly ties with iran.pakistan is a homeland for subcontinent's muslims.saudi arabia is a second home for them as per king of saudi arabia.muslims anywhere in the world have dozens of countries who will accept them but where do hindus go if not to india.
Syed Kazmi
Sep 10, 2012 10:42pm
I am sure Faiza you got the attention you wanted by your article. Shows our collective frustration. I do not agree to your approach, but I am glad Dawn publishes the view of all. People migrate to US, Canada, Australia, and so many places in the world. Why write a letter to Indian PM only? I know things are not that great in Pakistan, and it frustrating for many of us, but as Quaid said - "Musalmaan museebat mey ghabraya nahi kartay"- and listen to Asad Muhammed Khan's poetry sang by Shahnaz begum - "Mauj bharhe ya aandhi aye - diya jalaye rakhna hai - Ghar ki khatir 100 dukh jhele, ghar to aakhir apna hai". Think of those Palestinians who do not have a land to call their own or the Rohinga's in Burma, or the East Pakistanis in camps who have lived all their life waiting to get to Pakistan since 1971.
Cyrus Howell
Sep 10, 2012 10:35pm
"I fear you have put your life in danger by writing this article." It is OK. She doesn't mind.
Jayakumar
Sep 10, 2012 06:39pm
Even after partition on religious grounds,millions of muslims opted for & remained in India. So even though most Indians recognise a souverin Pakistan,i feel that the process of partition never finished. So from the bottom of our hearts,pakistan is our own land as is India. No nation could b dearer to us than Pakistan but for the policy drafters.India as the mainland should do watever possible to give the citizens (residents of Pakistan)a better life. Bcoz no matter hindus or muslims,had they opted for India in 1947,they would have been Indian citizens now. But any exodus of migration should b scrutinized to stop radicals .
deepak
Sep 10, 2012 10:32pm
give me one example person moved from India to pakistan
deepak
Sep 10, 2012 10:34pm
so u mean to say there are opportunities in India?
p kumar
Sep 10, 2012 06:40pm
gujrat and maharashtra are not all of india.lucknow and hyderabad are large centres of shia culture and shia are completely safe in india.
Ess Aar
Sep 10, 2012 06:40pm
I had the misfortune of reading the entire article, hoping there would be some sort of a cynical "payoff" at the end. As there wasn't one so my first reaction is "What the bloody hell!" I had to say this twice: once at the temerity of this writer and her misplaced sense of national propriety and secondly, at the gall of this newspaper to publish such gibberish. Granted there are problems that presently seem unsurmountable but just about every nation worth its salt has gone through some sort of a national upheaval at one or many points throughout their history and Pakistan is certainly no exception. I believe this "Aman Ki Aasha," while certainly a good thing, is being pushed a bit too far and only one-sidedly. It has unfortunately clouded the judgement and fortitude of many a Pakistani.
Hisham
Sep 10, 2012 06:39pm
Great article. Good to see at least some people have courage to speak about the facts instead of being blinded by so called 'patriotism'
Komal S
Sep 10, 2012 06:44pm
Please note Islam came to India through traders even before the moghuls. Parsis came to India before the moghuls came to India. Similarly christianity came long before Moghuls and British came. India has embraced people of different faith. Last i checked Kashmir is a Shia majority state, you may want to check where they would feel safer. By the way, Kashmir was ruled by a Hindu Maharajah during independence.
p kumar
Sep 10, 2012 06:44pm
really? when harassed hindus were leaving a month ago,your interior minister stopped them until they gave a written declaration they will return.would you let people come for will you not be concerned about loss of face
Ali Niazi
Sep 10, 2012 10:21pm
Well said brother
p kumar
Sep 10, 2012 06:45pm
no india isn't but pakistan was supposed to be a safe heaven for all muslims
amik@gmx.com
Sep 10, 2012 10:20pm
This is bizzarre! She simply needed to be in Gujarat, her dream place of safety and civilization. during Modi progrom and neither Pakistan nor India would probably not been worring about her any more. If this is not self hating, what else is? Ask those minority Muslims of Gujarat about the safety they enjoyed and they will tell you what safety is all about. Ghosh! If Pakistan is a hell, India is no heaven either - it is just the degree of difference! It is strange to compare India with Pakistan. Pakistan started from the scratch while India strated with an India with all infrastructure and treasury. Nation building is not an easy job and Pakistan is still in transition - much as many African nations are who started with no established state mechanism.
nitsh
Sep 10, 2012 12:46pm
Dreaming!!!!!Here you finished everything.........
syama
Sep 10, 2012 10:14pm
Well.. this proves that apart from Hindus, Christians, Ahmadis, Shias.... there is another community trembling in its pants.. the moderates!!
Hasan
Sep 10, 2012 06:51pm
Faiza Mirza, leave Pakistan immediately and go to India. People like you are not needed in Pakistan. India commits atrocities against Muslims especially in Kashmir. India also commits atrocities against Christians, Dalits and other Minority People like the tribal people. If that India is good for you than Get Out from Pakistan right now. The problems of Pakistan regarding harassing and torturing Christians, Shias and Hindus are unacceptable, but that do not say India is better country in terms of minority treatment. India's minority treatment is the worst in the world. The best way you could have loved your country by writing to scrap the Blasphemy law, abolishing the Feudal system in your country which would improve the Pakistan's Economy, strong punishment for corruption and ways to end corruption, emphasizing Economic growth of Pakistan, protection of Shias, Christians, Hindus and other minorities in Pakistan and lastly taking out arms from regular people, tribal people and Balochi people so those can not be used to kill regular Pakistani citizens. I am sure Faiza Mirza is a product of Feudal system who does not know any thing about patriotism and how a country should work for the betterment of all the people irrespective of their religion. I am from Bangladesh and I hope my Pakistani friends will show Faiza Mirza the door so she can leave Pakistan instead of giving a very bad color to Pakistan to please the RSS of India. Hasan Bangladesh
Krish
Sep 10, 2012 06:59pm
So, you mean to say, only muslims are "People of Pakistan"? There are so many variables in your "Genuinely talented, hardworking and good muslims" that I am loosing my mind trying to figure out all the permutations and combinations to define a pakistani...
Feroz
Sep 10, 2012 07:00pm
it's a good idea on paper, but what's the guarantee that the migrated souls would not turn India into another Manchester or Bradfor.
Imran B.
Sep 10, 2012 07:00pm
What Faiza has written is the truth. Most Pakistanis who belong to the middle class and poor working classes would love to leave at the first opportunity given. Once abroad, we can be very patriotic for Pakistan (Just like our ruling class families). Good Luck Faiza. Imran B. Texas,USA
Malik Assani
Sep 10, 2012 09:56pm
Almost all indians are readily and instantly welcoming any Pakistanis who defect with open arms...only because of their utmost hatred & opposition for Pakistan. Now, Has anyone of you the permission of Vishva Hindu Parisad, Mr. Advani or his BJP or that moron Bal Thackrey to do so. Thackrey went so far as to re-paint a train station which was painted green, as if green colour only represents muslims. LONG LIVE PAKISTAN
Anon
Sep 10, 2012 07:05pm
What a joke. As an Indian, let me assure you: We have enough problems of our own and our priority is the safety and well being of our 1.2 billion citizens. We couldn't care less about your problems, in light the fact that we can barely take care of our own.
abrahim
Sep 10, 2012 09:52pm
I am really sad the way writer show her frustration being Pakistani, Instead of fighting for progressive Pakistan she is running away what a shame. At least if you cant show the courage to fight for 180 million Pakistani inhabited in this land please dont write on the behalf of us. We will fight and we will progress and the day will come you will feel regret for writing this article.
layman
Sep 10, 2012 09:52pm
Look at the picture of the Pakistani passport. "Islamic Republic of Pakistan". They gave more importance to religion than the state and reaping the fruits of it. When Pakistan becomes "Republic of Pakistan" and the religion becomes a private affair, all these issues will be resolved. Till then it will be "Banana republic of Pakistan"
BH
Sep 10, 2012 09:49pm
You mean one less person to persecute
Rashid M
Sep 10, 2012 07:09pm
I will stop reading Dawn from today as my mark of protest against a deliberate attempt to malign Pakistan based on a false premise and presenting it as truth.
Ali Z.
Sep 11, 2012 01:00pm
I think Faiza will be the first one to move to India.... This is ax excerpt from another article about 9/11 memories from DAWN.com Please read on....India will always be arch enemy (and probably vice versa).... Excerpt: But the decision makers of the country were concerned specifically over the (intelligence) reports when “we were given information that India has offered free access to its bases to Americans for hitting Pakistan.” “We (Pakistanis) were being declared by the Indians as the real problem behind every terror attack taking place across the globe” he continued. “Later we had to put all our forces — Army, Navy and the Air Force, on high-alert after perceiving a threat from India,” Gen Rashid maintained.
RJ
Sep 11, 2012 05:05pm
Yes , you are indeed right Faisal. Looking inwards is telling us that there is now time for Sindhudesh and Baluchistan republic. Punjab and NWFP can still exist as one country if we wish to
Usman
Sep 10, 2012 07:12pm
As a rule I tend to like this columnist's work but this is going too far! Ms. Mirza, if you want to leave, then for heaven's sake, leave!!
Anon
Sep 10, 2012 07:12pm
To those Pakistanis caught up in their righteous fury: LOL. Yeah, we have problems, but at least our people know about them. You keep secret the body bags coming out of Balochistan. In addition, while communal discord is widespread in India, I can thankfully say that we don't have a LAW (i.e. one passed by our democratically elected legislature) that actively discriminates against minorities such as your so-called Blasphemy Law. Indeed, I'd go so far as to say that the Government and society of India (messed up though they are) don't actively persecute 14 year old girls suffering from Down's Syndrome merely because of their religious beliefs.
aditya kaushik
Sep 10, 2012 07:13pm
we the indians which have a population of 125 crs......will welcome u mam......u have a respect for the indians on the basis of facts.......ya i agree by many people that india have some problems but one thing more ....the people of india(hindu,muslim,shikh,cristian) is living the most peaceful life in the world(exceptions r every very). & india is the country were .......president-->>>pranab mukhrji (hindu), vice-president--->>>hamid ansari (muslim)........prime minister---->>>manmohan singh (sikha).......defence minister----->>>> a.k antony(cristian)......india have given voice to all the the minority(many are cabinet ministers) in parliament......we respect pakistan & want a developed & litterrate pakistan ...........we believe in positivity & peace
PN
Sep 10, 2012 09:32pm
Inspite of the patriotic comments by many Pakistanis, the embassies are mobbed by the visa seekers to leave the rocking boat! Just an observation.
raju
Sep 10, 2012 07:16pm
haha which people want to leave India, your misguided my friend. If that was the case there would be a long Q after all the riots. Indians are Indians they will stay put and fight.
J
Sep 10, 2012 09:32pm
I am not sure from where Mr. Rao got his impressions from about Christians in Kerala. I live in Kerala and a Christian but I haven't met anyone who wants to leave Kerala because of crime, or because they don't like India. There are many who leaves Kerala to look for Jobs. And you know what they do: They send a lot of money back home to India which helps others in India. In that sense the Indian Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc. are on the same boat as the Hindus. You really need some reality check.
Gulshan
Sep 10, 2012 07:19pm
Yes, Pakistan is wolld's GREATEST Nation. May be then that all the Muslims of India and Bangladesh should migrate to Pakistan.
RS
Sep 10, 2012 07:20pm
It may look nice to present balanced thought, but it is not true. Millions in India want to leave for Pakistan -really ? Yes, there are economic migrants everywhere in the world. But the situation identified in the article is different. Faiza is expressing a deeper anguish and it is not that she wants to really leave , which you have failed to grasp. You have a valid point, but it is so easy to profess idealism from the sidelines.
madhu
Sep 10, 2012 09:27pm
christians of kerala wanting to leave? Please check your facts Mr. rao, wherever you are from- they are one of the most communities in india, highly respected and well represented in the highest levels in indian politics, civil and army services.. And do you think the shias of kashmir will be happy in pakistan, going by pakistans track record of treatment of shias my sunnis??
dhamial
Sep 10, 2012 07:20pm
I would certainly never glorify bunch of terrorists proclaiming to be Muslims and inflicting misery to among others fellow Muslims in name of their holy war, at the same time I will never endorse this ideology of progressiveness advocated by a bunch of do-haves controlling Pakistani media and spewing the corrupt western ideologies. Terrorists are enemies one can easily identify but these progressive elements are a bigger danger to the Islamic ideology and very existence of Pakistan, unless you want Pakistan to be another satellite state of the west.
John
Sep 10, 2012 07:25pm
Shakeel, you are so wrong. There are many hundred thousands of Muslims in the higher echelons in India. Just for a openers, India has had 4 Muslim Presidents. How many Shias, Hindus, Christians, Ahmadis have reached the top pinnacles of Pakistan society? I challenge you to do a little bit of research before making sweeping statements.
Gulshan
Sep 10, 2012 07:26pm
At least Pakistan is ahead of India in some sense, other than producing more terrorists. Pakistan Zindabad.Long live Zia Ideoligy fathered generation.
p kumar
Sep 10, 2012 08:17pm
why do they have to leave.many pakistanis have dual citizenship.can they not live in pakistan with an overseas citizenship of india(OCI)
Imran
Sep 10, 2012 07:52pm
Dont forget that India is only looking better by default, nothing else.
Prashant Soni (@sonicreation)
Sep 11, 2012 11:20am
A great Ironic article,I am speechless as having so intense love for her nation but expressed a common people's pain so strongly. This is Great,I am amazed while reading this article my eyes got wet.Now,I read many articles written by greatest writer whom,i came across you are really a person send by God the way feel poor and common people's issues are just greatest way one could. "May GOD bless you more courage and strength to achieve greater height in your future life"but I have a fear also that in our society (It may be in where in the globe).Good people face problems as they speaks against odds.so please do take care. God bless whole world peace,love, prosperity !! Love to all, One common people.
sri1ram
Sep 10, 2012 07:27pm
Wow, very perceptive, especially the line, "in Pakistan the State is the aggressor and the citizen the victim, in India the citizens are the aggressors and the State the victim". It is unfortunate that so few rationalize and are enlightened about the actual situation in Pakistan as compared to a young writer like Faiza. Whatever the situation, the Pakistani ego will accept moving to anywhere except to India. We can easily see hordes of people here likening the minority situation in India to Pakistan, without referring to unbiased, International media about the same..
Rehman
Sep 10, 2012 09:18pm
I think if i had to leave my country (which i dont want to because i want to make my home (Pakistan) a better place) i would atleast try for a non 3rd world country and where people dont get slaughtered for their religion or ethnicity, the list can go on. I would only like to say people who want to leave should, as they dont consider Pakistan as their home and would be doing all of us Pakistanis a huge favour
Lee
Sep 11, 2012 11:20am
Two thumbs up. Pakistan deteriorated into a failed state a long time ago. Everyone who can, should migrate - this is no way of life.
v
Sep 10, 2012 07:30pm
Hilarious.
Abbas
Sep 10, 2012 07:31pm
Dear Rameez, Atleast the author of this blog is pointing towards the problem (although in a very sarcastic way). After reading many comments it seems that majority of us dont recognize the problem. This blog reminds us of one urdu shair: Jis khet se dehqan ko mayassar na ho rozi ..... os khet ke har kho sha e gandam ko jalado. Please try to understand the sarcasm in the blog and atleast accept the problem.
hindi
Sep 10, 2012 07:31pm
I see a lot of comments about the Gujarat riots here, not just in response to this article but in response to every article that mentions India's secularism. To all those people around the world who are convinced that the Gujarat riots were a pogrom and not a series of clashes between two religious groups in a highly charged environment (charged because a bunch of Muslim fanatics burnt a train coach carrying what they thought were a bunch of Hindu fanatics) I have this to say- Go through the two links below, they have some statistics http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4536199.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat#Demographics The first one is a BBC write up about the death toll in the riots, the second one is the wikipedia article about Gujarat's demographics. Please read them and corroborate. Why don't you compare the ratio of perpetrator to victims from both communities and see who was more violent?? India is, was and always will be a secular nation, of course there will be strife, both ethnic and religious, that is unavoidable in any geographical region inhabited by more than one ethnic/religious group. Every multicultural society has faced such problems, be it the former Soviet republics or the Balkans or even the west, where race relations are still a very real and grave issue. A nations secular credentials come to the fore with how it deals with such conflicts, the speed with which the affected populace is brought back to the main stream. The legislation that offers its vulnerable classes the option of legal recourse and above all the willingness of the people to compromise and get on with their lives. Given this context people must decide for themselves what they want to believe in, then try and justify their views with data and statistics. This whole (predominantly Pakistani) game of one-upmanship is a little passe now. Strive to work hard, pay taxes, follow traffic rules and keep your faith to yourself, thats what we all need to strive for irrespective of our faith and nationality. Besides given the context of Ms Mirza's article we shouldn't even be bad mouthing each other in the first place. Introspect people and then act responsibly. Much love from India. God bless us all.
Muhammad
Sep 10, 2012 07:32pm
Great writing,you deserve for accolade .
Ravi
Sep 10, 2012 07:33pm
Dear Pakistani friends, The critics of Faiza have failed to notice the spirit behind her article. she is certainly not going to migrate to India, but wants to expose, in a different way, her country's plight to her own citizens & provoke them to think differently. if her article has provoked you & dusted up your hatred for those who want to desert your country at this critical juncture, she, as a mature journalist & a patriotic Pakistani, has succeeded in her efforts. kudos to Faiza.
rahul
Sep 10, 2012 09:14pm
Really ! I think govt is not bothered about any one ! How does anyone minus one would matter ! Be it India or Pakistan govt ! But I am sure there is considerable amount of leniency in Indian society then Pakistani one .You can accept or leave it in denial :)
Alok
Sep 11, 2012 05:04pm
I don't agree with Singh's Pakistani Hindu appeasement policy. We already have enough trouble giving shelters to refugees from Bangladesh, Sril Lanka etc. I am sure Pakistanis are the worst kinds as has been proved countless number of times. We are happy with our own people, Hindus, Muslims and many others.
TOXIC
Sep 10, 2012 09:12pm
I don't think that India can remain unified as one country in future!
rakesh
Sep 12, 2012 12:56pm
why not widen our boundaries to make way for new people?or make a new state and settle every one over there.
N. Mohan
Sep 10, 2012 01:15pm
The problem is that nobody is marketing "Progressive" aggressively in Pakistan....even among muslim countries Pakistan is (or is it already was) more progressive. But whereas other muslim nations appeared to be changing direction to the positive side, Pakistan has been forced (engineered by the agencies) to move in the opposite direction. There are signs that things are turning for the better. All the best Pakistan...it is critical that your security agencies realize that they are playing with the future of about 180 million people whose futures are severely being compromised.
Asad Hyder, Ph.D.
Sep 10, 2012 11:25pm
Mr. Ali, You must not have read today's Dawn either. The car bomb that killed ten people and injured over forty. Their only fault was that they were Shias. This is happening EVERY DAY. If this is the country you think is a haven, you are not living in this world!
dr vimal raina
Sep 12, 2012 07:02am
truth at times can be 'utterly shameful and disgusting'...but it still remains the truth.
BH
Sep 10, 2012 10:05pm
Indian economy, size, clout, population, military, power and every other aspect is bigger than than the 20 muslim countries put togather. We dont need an oic to make world listen to us, when India talks the world listens carefully.
M. Ali
Sep 10, 2012 11:55pm
Ms. Mirza, Please let the healing begin. If you or your family has suffered because of the religious bigotry, do not forget that most every nation has gone through terrible civil wars, holocaust, massacres, ethnic/religious cleaning etc. Most Indian Muslims/Christians are loyal to India even after they were treated terribly in the past. The Indian government took the corrective actions and most minorities forget the past and become patriotic citizens with hope. I see most educated Pakistanis have already diagnosed the disease of our country and I believe, we are on the right track to become Jinnah's Pakistan again. Inshallah!!!
Rakesh
Sep 10, 2012 05:52pm
And Umer, you read beyond Zaid Hamid! lol ;-)
sree
Sep 10, 2012 05:53pm
There are problems everywhere and remember no country is perfect.it is duty of citizen to make it perfect. Stay back try to bring change in socitey and do not run away from problems
taranveer singh
Sep 10, 2012 05:50pm
what about 93000 paksitani soldiers who surrendered to india and became prisoners in 1971 war? why they surrendered instead of die
Ahmed
Sep 11, 2012 11:15am
Faiza, If given a chance, 99% of the people who have commented above would emigrate from Pakistan. The anger is only because the letter is addressed to Indian Prime Minister. If it was to Steven Harper, or for that matter any arab state ruler, there would not have been any voices. These people are hypocrites. Everybody (except a few who either don't have the means or the capacity to think) still like to stay back. You see almost on a daily basis people getting out of Pakistan by all illegal means. There are thousands and thousands of applications pending for immigration to canada, UK, Australia etc. People should read this article as a cry out of utter frustation and not out of choice.
aseem chaudry
Sep 10, 2012 05:46pm
Ok Umer...call the muslims from India...and see if they will come to your holy land!
Rahmat
Sep 11, 2012 12:07am
Truth is a bitter pill indeed. Yes India has problems too but remember minorities are actually thriving in India despite periodic hiccups. Issues between majority and minority Indians are like what happens in a big joint family. Issues flare up, common sense prevails and relations resume. In Pakistan there is persistent assault on minorities and their numbers are dwindling contrary to India where numbers are going up. That is the real test and India passes that with flying colours
abc
Sep 11, 2012 12:14am
Is "blasphemy law", a creation of state or the so called "others"?
Haider Bukhari
Sep 10, 2012 05:45pm
Ms Faiza, I am very sad on your patriotism and nationality!!! No sincere Pakistni or any other national can think so to settle him/herself in the enemy's country. By enemy I really don't mean that India is still our enemy the CBMs established between India and Pak are good steps, but these are still the steps and a long distance has to be covered in this direction. Every country has these problems, you look at 1st and 2nd world countries with Pak, please compare Pak with 3rd world countries then you will know that Pak is much better. If democracy flourishes in Pak evrything would be OK in few years, its my belief. Thanks.
abc
Sep 11, 2012 12:09am
Yes. not just hindus, but christians, sikhs, buddhists and zohrashtrians are also equally welcome in India.
rufat
Sep 10, 2012 05:44pm
Please take some more from India and be the highest populated muslim nation...you will do an enormous service to your holy land.
A Pakistani
Sep 11, 2012 12:22am
The Author would be in jail for writing an article like this, if she was in India, I think she only knows about Bollywood, Pakistan is still 1000 times better than India for muslims, there is too much racism there.
abbastoronto
Sep 11, 2012 12:29am
My colleagues from India here in Canada have a simplistic idea of difference between India and Pakistan. They can not understand why we two who share the same race, food, dress, culture, language would not want to live together under one roof. I invoke Art and Bollywood to explain the difference between between Muslims and Hindus, Pakistan and India. I tell my Indian friends of my age (mid-60s) that in the seminal year of 1947, Shaukat Hussain Rizvi came out with Jugnu, a film that best depicted the Indian Hindu middle class of its time. Then Indian Directors had the likes of Awara, Shree 420, Mother India, Madhumati, all 1950s blockbusters. I remind them that Muslims will never want to live in a society that these movies depicted, that does not give women freedom to choose, or in a society that has such ingrained injustices. That is not to say that Pakistan is heaven by comparison, but there is qualitative difference between social justice, or status of woman in society, never mind the Law on paper. Pakistanis would never want to live in a society that has caste system, never mind Pakistani’s own mild version of the same. I encourage Pakistanis and Indians to visit each other's countries, and learn to appreciate the difference, and reflect on where it can lead to. Let us live in peace. To each his own.
Think
Sep 11, 2012 11:13am
Umar In comparison to Pakistan, the human rights are way better. If you ask Indian muslims, they do face bias, but would not want to return to Pakistan where they will face more bias, more terrorist attacks and complete lack of jobs and law and order. Yes India has its problems, but Pakistan is a much bigger mess-- and that is what this article brings out.I am sorry to say to the author that Manmohan Singh is not responsible for whole of Pakistan. Frankly, if he was, things would be better than 'Gilani Rule" . Education, health-care, freedom of press, technology, -- India is way ahead of Pakistan.Really, look around and be open to learning from those around you -- objectivity is not a known trait of Pakistan. I think we are the same people in so many ways -- origins were the same for India and Pakistan -- but the paths we chose to walk are so different.
Salman
Sep 11, 2012 12:23am
Hi All, Kindly do not judge a book by its cover. Do not judge this article from the obvious expression that may come from it (i.e. 'author prefers/wants to live in India over Pak.'), Instead read between the lines and understand the point she is making about the need for Pakistanis to wake up and take responsibility of their own country and accept our own failures instead of blaming leaders and fundamentalists or running away from the country (like myself). Also if you read deeper between the lines she has answered a question about people seeking asylum in India (or any other place in the world). Kind Regards,
A Pakistani
Sep 11, 2012 12:42am
I would suggest author, you better migrate to Iran than India.
Razia
Sep 10, 2012 05:19pm
Just curious how you "worry" about people of Pakistan. Like how you worry about Hindus, Christians, Ahmadis, Shias, or any of the other groups mentioned in the article?
truthbetold
Sep 11, 2012 01:22am
Dear Writter you are free to leave Pakistan at any time. As for me, I am proudly Pakistan that has no hate for India and wishes to see the Legacy of Jinnah be-born where everyone is FREE TO VISIT THEIR TEMPLES, THEIR PLACES OF WORSHIP, and where religion has no bearing on government. As for the notion that India is better off than Pakistan or that minorities are better off in EITHER nation it's absurd as neither has even begun to treat its minorities fairly. Just because in two indian cities people appear to be free doesn't hold true for 80% of their other regions. I don't need to go into details just GOOGLE some facts yourself. As for Pakistan, it seems we treat our Sikh Pilgrims better than the Sikhs and Hindus that actually live here and it's high time that EVERYONE is safe and free in Pakistan as well as India.
Cyrus Howell
Sep 10, 2012 05:20pm
Group A: "We can't do anything about it." Group B: "We won't do anything about it."
A Pakistani
Sep 11, 2012 01:15am
Mrs Author, be a loyal Pakistani first than something else(Shia, Sunni, Ahmadi, etc)
Ali
Sep 11, 2012 11:36am
Very funny. You must not be reading the news India jailing of a cartoonist and a university professor.
EmMoosa
Sep 11, 2012 01:14am
Mr. Jinnah should have taken the advice of Maulana Abul Kalam Azad. But it is too late. The youth of Pakistan still has the key to bring Pakistan back on the track. We are confident that we can do it. They should stand against the fanatics solidly. There would be lot of hurdles on their way but I am sure they will win.
srinivasakumarmn
Sep 10, 2012 05:22pm
dude .. did u find all theses things in any part of the world.... no country is perfect but there are better countries to live. like JAPAN,USA, INDIA... ...
A Pakistani
Sep 11, 2012 01:10am
Mr, Asad please dont play Shia Sunni card here, more than 60,000 pakistanis have lost thier lives in terrorist attacks in last few years, 99% of them were Sunnis. Please be Pakistani first then something else.
Mustafa Kidwai
Sep 10, 2012 05:25pm
Hi Like most things with Pakistanis (and Indians) , this letter is written from an emotional standpoint rather than a practical one. Do India and Pakistan have resources to grant jobs, food, shelter, education to asylum seekers? It would also be political suicide for the government. If I am living below or on edge of the poverty line , I would want my government to put my house in order before bringing others in , regardless of their religion, caste, ethnicity. I have yet to come across some one who would willingly die of hunger and let someone else live just because they are of same race, caste and even religion. Even in countries like UK where I live, the arguments against asylum seekers are rarely about race. They are always about impact on Jobs, Housing, Health Services. I feel the author has taken the sensationalist approach to highlight what may be legitimate issues, but the solution she has proposed is not practical.
Z Khan
Sep 10, 2012 05:25pm
Ms Mirza you and your newspaper got the hits in abundance to please your readers from across the border. Now I will give you my piece of mind along with the 180 million other Pakistanis. I take a severe offence when some ignorant westerner even remotely equate Pakistan with India and I make an immediate effort to correct him/her. I am proud to be a Pakistani. All the great nations have gone through tough times in their history and Pakistan is no different. If you feel an urge to migrate to India, please do so immediately but dont speak on behalf of the rest of Pakistan as nobody has given you the right to speak on their behalf.
Obul
Sep 11, 2012 01:07am
Well said Anant. Indian government should consider this for all persecuted people and not just Hindu's. It is a difficult time to be a minority or evan a moderate Muslim in Pakistan at this give point in time.
A Pakistani
Sep 11, 2012 01:07am
Gita, for your information in last 8 years people who were killed in terrorist attacks in Pakistan were 99% Sunnis not Shia. Still more Sunnis are being killed in terrorist blast than Shias.
A Pakistani
Sep 11, 2012 01:04am
Mrs Faiza, you better go to Iran than India.
ajmal salim khan
Sep 11, 2012 01:01am
Yes, Pakistan has huge problems , and it needs to get its house in order, but for any person who wants to migrate to India, kindly read "Sachar Commission" report published by Indian government that how racisim of the worst kind still today persisits in India and how prejudiced India is towards minorities especially Muslims...Of course there are good Indians as well.
abrahim
Sep 11, 2012 12:53am
thats why you are layman
niraj
Sep 10, 2012 05:33pm
Pakistan is a failed state and there is no doubt about it.
Omer
Sep 11, 2012 10:52am
how many Hindus are in Pakistan?? 1% of total population maybe, so does it makes any difference to anyone whether they leave or stay?? Think about it Parveen Kumar or your mind works at pace of Parveen Kumar.
Abdullah K. Niazi
Sep 10, 2012 05:31pm
I thought a day would never come when a Pakistani would be asking Indian Prime minister for help.Admittedly, we are going through tough times but it is a passing phase,country unfortunately is being ruled by most incompetent individual who is exclusively absorbed in his vested interests but that does not mean we as a nation are so desperate as to ask next door neighbour to rescue us. Daily Dawn is doing disservice to the nation by publishing articles which undermine our national interest and invite unsolicited comments from our Indian neighbours. Friends like them, who needs enemy ? If MS.Mirza finds the room smokey, doors are open, why doesn't she leave.
naeem
Sep 11, 2012 01:32am
Not only at the cover of the Pakistani passport. Inside the cover your religon is stated!!! So much for religon being a persona affair!!!
Razia
Sep 10, 2012 05:16pm
I dont know what you are drinking, but to think people from India want to migrate to Pakistan is seriously false. US, Europe etc, but never Pakistan.
Razia
Sep 10, 2012 05:14pm
Always blame the messenger! You cannot hear the angst and anguish in Ms. Mirza's voice? Pakistan is being run by a bunch of religious bigots and there is no chance of improvement unless we fix this situation. To lose someone like Ms. Mirza to India or any other country would be such a shame. Lets change our evil ways and make everyone (even Hindus and Christians) at home in their own country - yes, in Pakistan
Kandan Venkataraman
Sep 11, 2012 01:37am
look at your self in the mirror
john
Sep 11, 2012 01:39am
"Hatred is like acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured, in this case think good of other country & not shit
Omer
Sep 11, 2012 10:54am
Still we are better in cricket than you guys:)
john
Sep 11, 2012 01:40am
I wish to see pakistan giving citizenship to indian muslims & how many will take up
Adeeb Khan
Sep 10, 2012 05:09pm
This is an expected commotion from the liberals minded Pakistanis like her. In other words I have no respect for her thoughts.
Adeeb Khan
Sep 10, 2012 05:10pm
True and well calculated comment. I like it
Rameez
Sep 11, 2012 01:43am
I appreciate your point Abbas. As I said in my original post, I am as concerned about the atrocities against minorities as anyone else. This can surely not be the Pakistan envisioned pre-partition. That being said, there is a saying "rolling around in the mud won't get you any cleaner". I can assure you there is not a shortage of articles pointing towards the problems we face as a country (whether in local media such as dawn or globally - e.g. bbc, guardian, nytimes..). Surely you must agree with this? If so, then why did Faiza write another typically snide, sarcastic and ultimately useless piece? We read enough of these as it is. Let's move forward and make the change we want to see.
john
Sep 11, 2012 01:50am
all this poem & quote dont work in pakistan mate, get real, you are taking to brain dead people for whom actual life starts after death
Furqan
Sep 10, 2012 05:06pm
Khuda k waste stop bashing Pakistan...! Forget 'Geo' theory, forget sensationalizing the issues and learn to live what we have got. No India Muslim wrote a letter to Musharraf when 200 muslims were burnt alive...!
guest
Sep 10, 2012 05:05pm
'Times of India' is a tabloid. Read our 'The Hindu' and you will know the difference. Not seen a single article either in Indian press or Pakistani media like we do there. Judging Indian media with 'Times of India' and judging India with bollywood is a serious mistakes u guys perennially make. By the way, from what we hear from Pakistanis in middle-east, none is willing to go back to their homeland even for vacations; even repatriating money is not as regular as done by Indians because most fear for their future in Pakistan. India is a much envied country that way by Pakistanis working int he gulf - even if there is rampant poverty persisting and resources are draining out. There is still so much done right here and we hold the promise called 'hope.' Not seen a single Pakistani like that and in fact been witness to green passport holders checked vigorously physically and for fake currency notes in international airports. To those who think Pakistan is better than India, when it comes to self-respect in international scenario, do you have it?
PiroShah
Sep 11, 2012 02:01am
Pakistanis are not at all welcome in India. Please stay in your 'Fortress of Islam' and do whatever you want but please please don't come and create a mess in India.
Harinder
Sep 10, 2012 05:05pm
1) Mr Modi will find it difficult to become the PM in India .He may most likely have to contend hiimself with the throne of Gujrat .. 2) Sikhs have a PM 3) Catholic Christian is the Ruler of India 4) Muslims are the President and Top heros of bolly wood and may be ine day will become the PM .. India did and learnt from its errors and has made amends . So India is different from Pakistan and India shall always be a Secualr and Plural nation not withstanding the above mentioned abberations.
hari
Sep 10, 2012 05:06pm
i know only difference between two country is that india is democracy and of course pakistan is not. that why miss Faiza wanna to come india
Plato
Sep 11, 2012 02:07am
Pakistan can hardly be called a republic when minorities have no rights. You need to look up the definition of a republic.
Rakesh
Sep 10, 2012 05:03pm
A very daring article for Pakistan I must admit. These days even in India, anybody who criticizes the giv is jailed. Hats off to Dawn for publishing a tongue article highlighting the deteriorating law and order situation.
ROHIT PANDEY
Sep 11, 2012 02:04am
Muslims and Christians were NOT treated badly in India!
zaheer
Sep 10, 2012 05:04pm
Am an Indian Muslim....A proud INDIAN.am a doctor... every country has its own draw backs..India is a vast country....babri,odisha may happen...but still we are at peace. as Muslim i was never degraded anywhere.infact i was given a 5%reservation for studies for being a Muslim. am doing my post graduation in oncology..to pay my fees i took a bank students loan..at interest of 12.5%..and guess who is paying the interest? govt of India..becos am a minority student. sitting in Pakistan and watching 2 repeat telecasts of babri..people should stop commenting on India. get a visa and visit India, i'll host you, and show u, how happy Muslims are in India...and how respectably Hindus treat Muslims in India. i have been abroad for my studies, i met Arabs, Pakistanis, Africans all sorts of Muslims...and am proud i live in a country which gives me religious freedom and security along with my personal growth..alhamdullialh......may Allah protect India..
ROHIT PANDEY
Sep 11, 2012 02:03am
Keep pleading to Manmohan Singh...he might just do it? He seems to be more interested in his old village in Pakistan,rather than rooting out corruption in India!
Bhujang Patil
Sep 10, 2012 05:02pm
All your examples are more than a decade old. Can you imagine Hindus rioting in Karachi and groping female cops ? Moslems in Today's Mumbai can do that.
Pavas Ambashta
Sep 10, 2012 05:02pm
You should know that Mr. Modi is an elected chief minister of an Indian province not a military dictator of Pakistan. He has won elections twice consecutively and even with record 75% majority. He represents more than 60 million people of Gujrat. Today this state is among the fastest growing state in India. Growth rate of his state is more than 4 times that of Pakistan, not only that He has become the model chief minister in India. So by insulting him you not insulting sentiments of 60 millions Indians but are also insulting An honest politician. No wonder there is no Good politician / leader in Pakistan.
Faizee
Sep 11, 2012 10:40am
shameful
Plato
Sep 11, 2012 02:12am
Pakistan and India will be unified someday soon.
Akash Singh
Sep 11, 2012 02:11am
Faiza, You just keep amazing an entire continent with you honesty and clarity of thought. Well done.
Plato
Sep 11, 2012 02:13am
Over a billion people :)
Silajit
Sep 11, 2012 02:29am
Nice write up. I too wondered, what India would do if Ahmadiyas, Shias and Christians from Pakistan applied for asylum to India. Please do apply, folks. We’d be happy to have you. Yes, India also has people who hate minorities but they have not succeeded like they have in Pakistan because in India EVERYBODY is a minority in some shape or fashion. Hindus are split across linguistic, caste, regional and shirt colors (failing everything else). So come on over.
Tom
Sep 10, 2012 04:53pm
Also please tell me the dates when all these happened. These are all past incidents, some dating back to 15 to 20 years ago. Things have changed bro..........It seems like you are still living in 90s.
Jagdish
Sep 10, 2012 04:53pm
Vijay is not representative of Hindus... BTW Hindus dont convert people from any other religion.. Sorry to snap you out of your moment of glory...
naren
Sep 11, 2012 02:29am
Pinky, Do you live in India? If not, Talk to Muslims citizens of India and ask them to migrate to Pak. You will know the truth. I bet...You can't handle the truth!!!
observer
Sep 10, 2012 04:54pm
Christians of Kerala !!!?? what you mean by this?, I am a keralite christian, what you say is a baseless statement regarding keralite christian.
Arun
Sep 11, 2012 02:26am
You are a courageous Pakistani. You have written the unspeakable.
Tariq Kamal
Sep 11, 2012 12:16pm
I Strongly Agree with Writer, Please be read it again and think about it.
mahavir
Sep 11, 2012 02:20am
Abbass from toronto, Are you living in a cave in toronto? Do you have cable TV or internet there? I am not sure what is your definition of 'mild' version of relegion based discrimination? Perhaps killing few hundered shias or Ahmediyas or Hazaras is mild as per your scale.
Plato
Sep 11, 2012 02:20am
Clearly a Pakistani pretending to be Indian ;)
asim
Sep 10, 2012 04:57pm
Ms Faiza, Do us a favour and move to your country of dream. I am more than happy to offer travel expenses. Besides, disagreement in ideas is welcomed, furthering of pessimism and defeatist mentality in the garb of freedom,secularism and human rights is shameful.
Plato
Sep 11, 2012 02:19am
Yes the truth hurts, doesn't it? :)
Plato
Sep 11, 2012 02:16am
True, every country looks better by default to yours :)
a
Sep 10, 2012 04:58pm
lol!
Plato
Sep 11, 2012 02:15am
Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia :)
Pakistani
Sep 11, 2012 12:15pm
I think nobody is getting what the writer is trying to say between the lines.....please try to understand the sarcasm between the lines and don't just take literal meaning of everything that has been said in here. The writer is giving sugar coated bullshit to a PM. An average Pakistani.
Jiten Maurya
Sep 10, 2012 04:58pm
BY THE WAY GREAT ARTICLE, A little bit of satire, may be unintentional, about India giving asylum to Pakistani Hindus. If India does not give them who will? Its like white Christians in trouble in a Muslim country seeking asylum in a white christian country like USA, England, etc (even though these countries are very so much successful in being secular). Thanks to the author and the Editor.
Plato
Sep 11, 2012 02:14am
Right, all the Muslims in India live in the streets because they cannot buy a house :)
AHA
Sep 11, 2012 10:55am
I promise to become a 'more' loyal Pakistani if 'you' promise not to kill me because I am a Hindu or a Christian or a Shia or an Ahmadi. Get some fresh air.
Waqar
Sep 11, 2012 02:38am
Dear Fellow readers, It is essentially important for us as Pakistanis to come out of denial and see the world objectively. I mean lets face the bitter face of reality, in Pakistan every single person is sick and tired of dealing with our Government inabilities to deal with common issues such as safety, water, electricity, food, shelter. I know every citizen has a responsibility and can contribute in shaping the society but Government has to initiate and facilitate the ideological change through enforcement which a common man cannot do. It is important that the Government, specially interior ministry to involve in the planning, execution and monitoring to ensure the enforcement in order to achieve the desired outcomes. Economies don't grow over night, economies don't built without strategies. Pakistan should establish Economic Transformation Program like Malaysia and use its legislative institutions and government bodies to facilitate the economic development across the nation. In order for any society to become civilized it has to establish its foundation and in Pakistan we are missing the entire foundation and therefore we are facing discrimination against minorities be it in the name of race, religion, caste, ethnic or sex. Migrating to India is not a solution, we cannot migrate the whole nation to India just because everyone feel insecure in Pakistan. I must give credit to India for building a system in society in which people of various cultures can coexist and although India has its own set of issues to be addressed it has created a ecosystem within its complex society.
Faraz
Sep 10, 2012 04:50pm
Impressive article, I have lived in Pakistan for 8 years. Poverty and lack of services is not a problem in this country. Its a country of animals if you not trying to kill one another because of your sect or cultural differences you look down on each other. The only way out of the current jungle is either British or American to invade Pakistan and remove the militancy, corruption. As we Muslims and Pakistani have shown time and time again we cannot live as civilized nation.
Omer
Sep 11, 2012 10:34am
Come to Islamabad and you'll see how many Americans are roaming around..These things you won't find in papers but just take a trip to one of Islamabad's markets. No matter how much India shine, there massive population is also shining like anything so not sure what one can get outta India?
kareem
Sep 10, 2012 04:48pm
Faiza Mirza should be expelled from Dawn. Human atoricities are committed through out the world, just pick all the world peacemaker countries & glance at their recent past. Look what happened in Iraq & Afghanistan, look at Africa, look how UN is hijacked and deals are made to decide countries future & economic hardship of so many nations and their people. It is a Crime to kill anyone no matter what religion a person belongs to. Pak is going through many changes and it is my hope that PAK leaders (ONLY those that are Loyal to country & the people) will Come together to Form a great nation that Quaid envisioned where everyone is protected under the law and crimes & corruption will gradually fade away. Faiza must move to India and Join one of the news outlets there and after living few years, maybe reside in few other countries in the world to have a better understanding of world prospects.
Jagdish
Sep 10, 2012 04:40pm
Why do you want to equate Pakistan with India... they are miles apart and very different... India is not perfect but infinitely better than Pakistan in all aspects i.e. equal rights of minorities, opportunities, practising their religion, human rights, literacy...etc. Pakistan is ranked 13th in the list of failed states (in company with Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Congo, Chad, Zimbabwe....Pakistan)
Shilpa
Sep 11, 2012 02:55am
Have u ever been there to experience? ddont just presume from the skewed facrts presented to u.. Get out of the pond atmosphere..
AHA
Sep 10, 2012 04:41pm
From the heart. And so true.
Sanjay Deswal
Sep 10, 2012 04:43pm
despite all these shortcomings, India is still a secular and progressive society my dear friend
naren
Sep 11, 2012 02:46am
Really You were in India?
Saadia
Sep 10, 2012 04:44pm
Fiaza Mirza, I lived most of my life in Europe and also spend some years in Canada and I tell you one thing, you're totally wrong about the loyalties of many minorities of Pakistan. Among them are Ahmadis, I'm not Ahmadi but I know many of them who are living abroad but none of them can ever imagine to call Pakistan an evil country. In fact they still love that country where people are not welcoming them and if you ask them if they have a choice to pick one country as favorite then sure they will choose Pakistan and never India. Trust me they are very loyal Pakistanis. If they wanted they could easily sell their souls for some dollars and would have talked so much bad about Pakistan or like you desperately wrote a letter to Manmohan Singh but no even losing their family members in Pakistan they still say, "we are proud Pakistanis" and they are optimistic that one day their country Pakistan will change for better.
Jagdish
Sep 10, 2012 04:32pm
India even with its poverty has hope and a bright future... cant say that about Pakistan with surety (13th in the list of Failed states)?
Kabir
Sep 11, 2012 03:21am
Sorry my friend.. we will remain one.. may be Pakistan/Bangladesh came to your mind..
Kabir
Sep 11, 2012 03:18am
India has a thriving Muslim population.. you cant take one incident and hash it again and again.. we are Past Godhra and all..
Civi varghese
Sep 11, 2012 12:14pm
What a courageous article.Congratulations for a progressive mind of a pakistani writer.@Zameer Sultan,I am a south indian christian.Ididnot notice any independence movement against india until today.Do you know better than me?
Ajaya K Dutt
Sep 11, 2012 03:13am
Dreaming is better than reality.
Indian
Sep 10, 2012 04:37pm
I told you a useless and not my beautiful kerala. My kerala is the hevan in the earth.my kerala is gods own country.
Observer
Sep 11, 2012 03:07am
How come all the superstars of hindustan are Muslims if it's true what you said ?
omer
Sep 11, 2012 03:01am
Yes Dear Mr. Manhoman. Pakistanis would not like to pay taxes, strengthen law enforcement by paying them more - support infrastructure (France's gdp to tax ratio is 43% - German low 40's, USA 26% - and Pakistan 8 % vs India's 15%. So Yes we wouldn't do the obvious to improve governance - we'd much rather change countries and pay taxes somewhere else. What a shame this writer doesn't understand what makes good governance - taxation !!!
Karthik Mohanarangam (@KMohanarangam)
Sep 11, 2012 03:00am
That's a poor way to interpret the news. And Indian media is very good at highlighting controversial fact that people would love to crunch. Those people were not naturalized just 'cos, they are Hindus. They lived in India for over 7 years. Indian constitution requires foreigners to live in India at least 12 years before they could get naturalized. The news should be about relaxation to Pakistani Hindus and not naturalization to Pakistani Hindus. Is there any Pakistani Muslim/Christian who have lived in India more than 12 years and not naturalized?
rattan(sydney)
Sep 10, 2012 04:39pm
I guess you dont read your local news papers.we had these odd but very unfortunate incidents in India but you have them everydayfor breakfast lunch and dinner.
Ajay
Sep 11, 2012 03:23am
And ofcourse you assume there are no muslims living in India and no hindus living in bangladesh.
Qasim
Sep 10, 2012 04:26pm
i wish she leaves Pakistan .. we do not need such unpatriotic people here .. why dont you guys see the situation of India .. Muslims are never safe there .. Muslims were burnt alive .. atleast we dont see any people burnt to death .. pathetic article
Rattan
Sep 10, 2012 04:29pm
Mahatma Gandhi is dead
AHA
Sep 10, 2012 04:29pm
Jinnah did not survive to deliver his promise. He did not fail. But with a sad heart, I must agree with everything else that you said about Pakistan. I do not know enough about India to agree or disagree with your assertions there.
Ajaya K Dutt
Sep 11, 2012 03:24am
A respectful bow to Dawn for publishing this. A disdainful glance over to pathetic lot failing to see her care for the society she lives in. Girl, May God bless you with long life.
Kabir
Sep 11, 2012 03:24am
Get over Modi and Godhra.. there is much more to India.. and even Muslims have become prosperous under Modi's rule in Gujarat..
Jagdish
Sep 10, 2012 04:31pm
Sir... dont even talk of India in the same breath as Pakistan... they are miles apart
Yogini
Sep 10, 2012 04:20pm
Never saw so many comments on a blog post specially on dawn.com except for NFP's blogs. This post is uniting Pakistanis but sadly most of them asking the author of this to leave Pakistan.
Ata
Sep 10, 2012 04:21pm
I am feeling your pain and agonies by the current situation of Pakistan. Faiza, you are depressed, frustrated and worried, so am i. I also dream of land of pure where i could live life with my family with harmony and peace and of course this county is far different now from what I dream, What Quaid Azam dreamed of. I am also fade up by fake patriots and optimistic Misleading preachers who always emphasis on fake history that never existed at first place.Today Office colleague sent my your article and asked me how i think about the writer, I replied in lighter mode, "Lovely beauty" with attaching your picture. But honestly speaking he wanted me to label you traitor but I won't in any case because i understand the miseries you are going through as Pakistani due to current situation. Let me tell you what I do mostly when I get frustrated, I always pray to Almighty Allah for betterment, for security of kids and family and if the bad time comes to hunt me then give me strength to fight it back. I am not obsessed by this so called pakistanyiat any more, but I don't want to loose this identify either.
Feda Ali Shah
Sep 11, 2012 10:31am
Its either you are having problem in your english or you dont digest bitter truth. Feda
Cyrus Howell
Sep 11, 2012 03:57am
The Indian chemist in the Film TIGER BAY: "Bron, take my advice. Don't let your emotions rule your life."
Akil Akhtar
Sep 11, 2012 03:57am
You are right we should also register an FIR and thenelect teh culprit to the position of Chief Minister as in case of Modi. Then I guess the victims will be happy accordign to your logic
Akil Akhtar
Sep 11, 2012 03:55am
30,000 indians come to Australia alone every year and do not go back, some even give up their indian citizenship as they are not allowed dual nationality. I thought India was shinning, what is wrong with india then.
Sasha
Sep 11, 2012 03:56am
"Many Pakistanis will refuse to openly admit this but most of us would like to be considered eligible for Indian nationality." Just regarding this quote, if someone really wanted a different citizenship, its really not going to be an Indian one. Like the author, I'm gonna go ahead and generalize and think people would rather adopt an American, British, or a Canadian one at that. And please get your research straight on how minorities are treated in India, before you start claiming a nation is so much more righteous than ours. Pakistan Zindabad!
Rattan
Sep 10, 2012 04:18pm
one comment shows entire India's sentiment?grow up mate.yes India has its own problems but nothing compared to the absolute mess - read Pakistan
manish
Sep 11, 2012 03:53am
......... I remind them that Muslims will never want to live in a society that these movies depicted, that does not give women freedom to choose, or in a society that has such ingrained injustices...... so, what do you mean ISLAM is heaven for women. no doubt you are in sixty's, and thus have closed your mind to the mess your country is in. and, muslims live in india in equal numbers. so, stop your rant.
abbastoronto
Sep 11, 2012 03:51am
Namaste: Muhammad Iqbal wrote: Hazaron saal nargis apni bey-noori pey roati hay Bari mushkil sey hota hay jahan main deedawar paida means that those who can fathom the hidden meanings are rare indeed
Akil Akhtar
Sep 11, 2012 03:51am
You must be joking. Muslims are the poorest community in india (according to indian govt statistics). Hundreds of roits since 1947 have killed thousands of minorities. 100 churches burned in Orissa, 2500 muslims killed in Gujrat, thousands of sikhs killed in Punjab and around 5000 Sikhs disapperared (according to BBC) after Indra Gandhis murder, millions of low caste hindus treated like animals, to name a few incidents. Your capacity to live in an imaginary world must be appreciated
Lal
Sep 11, 2012 03:49am
Love it, you are my kinda guy.
Sam
Sep 11, 2012 04:00am
Thounsands of Muslims and Christians are already (even today) living in India.Even Pakistan have too much racism between mohajirs, sunni,shia,sindhi etc.
Akil Akhtar
Sep 11, 2012 04:00am
Look at the bright side, if the Author leaves then we may not have to put up with her articles demonising Pakistan any longer.
Assad
Sep 11, 2012 01:19pm
Well said nchauhdry! Aag kay uss paar aman ki abaadi hai, khud bakhud toot kay girti nahi zanjeer kabhi, badli jaati hai, badalti nahi taqdeer kabhi.
malik
Sep 11, 2012 04:03am
I hope Mr. Singh really reads it.
Akil Akhtar
Sep 11, 2012 04:03am
And the point is ..........should we go back to those dark ages
Amit Singh
Sep 11, 2012 04:05am
alice in the wonderland
Shankar
Sep 11, 2012 04:14am
It is Ok? She doesn't mind? Wonder how you know? I mind and mind a lot! BB sacrificed her life, did Pakistan get any better?
Nadeem Khan
Sep 11, 2012 04:14am
If India is shining why Indians leave India in Millions and living in Gulf, US, Canada, Australia even in Africa
Salman
Sep 11, 2012 04:13am
Cant deny the facts but Still love my Pakistan.
Akil Akhtar
Sep 11, 2012 04:11am
I have been reading her articles also and probaly she has been branded rightly. Would she write such criticism of her own family even if there were problems with them. That is the difference between faithful and traitirs.
MKB
Sep 11, 2012 04:17am
I feel pity to read your comment. What society you are talking about? India is multi cultural, pluralistic, multi langauge, multi cuisine and multi religious society with modern out look. This is the reason it is a secular democratic country. Here anybody can reach on the top with his/her ability. India's top industrialist are Parsi, many top scientists, some top difference personal were also parsi. Here majority population does not consider much about ones religion, culture, language, cuisine. They are all one's own choice. The main binding factor between all Indian is its 5000 years old legacy, Indinness. I do not want to point out any flaws in Islam, or in that case of Pakistan’s The above article itself says how it is.
FAPS
Sep 10, 2012 04:08pm
Mr. Shafiq Rao, first of all it is Mrs.or Miss Mirza and not Mr. Mirza. Secondly, I am sure she doesn't really want to leave Pakistan but is simply trying to wake-up the silent majority within Pakistan that things have come to a boil and it is a desperate situation. India has its problems but is far better in terms of security than Pakistan. Muslims in Kashmir were leading a beautiful life until the Pakistani government started exporting terror in the 1990s. Frankly the proverb that one shall reap as they sow is ringing true here. I don't what problem Christians in Kerala are having? They are enjoying a pretty peaceful life. They state has the highest literacy rate (nearly 100%). Tourism is at its peak in Kerala. Anyway, I think Pakistan needs to look within and clean-house.
Vineeth
Sep 11, 2012 01:17pm
Correct. Many Pakistanis are under the impression that since Pakistan was created for Islam, India was created for Hinduism.
faisal
Sep 11, 2012 03:30pm
Superb article
Sayeed Altaf Hussein
Sep 11, 2012 03:30pm
Pakistan Also had a chief just Ramday just for your information. Compare the minority propotion 3% to 20%. Pakistan and India are the two branches of same tree. Niether one is better than the others. Did you think about the Masacar of Muslims in 2003 or the Masacar of Sikhs in 1985. So please do not get on your high horses. They are no different from each other.
Guru
Sep 11, 2012 04:26am
We can exchange Arundhati Roy with her, if you want.
Guru
Sep 11, 2012 04:24am
Probably you need to ask them, why is Canada different from US? That aside, thanks for the patronizing comments on India & how muslims would not blend into an India depicted in the movies. Honestly, neither would Indians blend in into the fanatical image of Pakistani society.
Guru
Sep 11, 2012 04:29am
Hmmmm...Coming from Pakistan that is a comment worth 'not losing sleep' on. Happy dreams...
Guru
Sep 11, 2012 04:31am
Your minorities, possibly?
Name
Sep 11, 2012 04:28am
Oh the irony!! :D
manish
Sep 11, 2012 04:29am
it is.....in a secular way....
Ahmed
Sep 11, 2012 01:16pm
For the last many years we Pakistani's are facing all sorts of challenges and see we're still there.... nothing could bring us down. keep trying to frustrate us and you will find us even stronger Insha Allah.
venkat
Sep 10, 2012 04:00pm
Are you joking Mr.Rao. I wish Indian government gives you Visa and then gauge your understanding of Indian muslims. Kerala as you said thrives with more inclusivity than any other state. Have you ever checked the onam festival. search for it and google it.
dr vimal raina
Sep 10, 2012 04:01pm
this is not about poverty sir....., this is about scorched earth under the feet of the poor that has made him flee....you have just missed the point....
Noble Lucifer
Sep 11, 2012 04:37am
Try asking an Indian muslim to come over to Pakistan for a better future. He would straight-away dismiss your offer.
venkat
Sep 10, 2012 04:02pm
sane writing Zain!!!
Guru
Sep 11, 2012 04:35am
Friend, just google 'Arundhati Roy'. You will be pleased with the reading you will do there after.
Guru
Sep 11, 2012 04:47am
Swap places with Faiza, then..
skpande
Sep 11, 2012 04:46am
Under the constitution of India anyoe whose father or grandfather was born in India is eligible for PIO card. skpande
Anand
Sep 11, 2012 04:46am
No. You are wrong. India is a democracy where there is press freedom. She will not be jailed especially in India for expressing her excellent views.
Sarfraz Khan
Sep 10, 2012 03:58pm
Rubbish! I am a Pakistani and am proud of being one! We must at some point think instead of always asking what Pakistan has given us, we must see what have we done for this beautiful country? People like the writer portray an image about our beloved country that is no where close to reality! @ Writer: Wake up and stop complaining about Pakistan. Grass is always green on the other side! Two Nation Theory was thought up much ahead of it's time and I salute all our leaders for doing so! I am ashamed to see this article being write on a news paper started by the founder of Pakistan itself! I have lost credibility and trust in this newspaper and would never be coming back to this site again as a protest! Regards, Sarfraz Khan
Guru
Sep 11, 2012 04:57am
Faiza, Do you know that when we Indians do not want our phones to disturb us, we put them on 'Manmohan' mode (ie) silent mode? Saying this, as your 'un-posted' letter, even if posted, may fall on the deaf, mute establishment in Delhi. That said, the points that you have raised are valid & Pakistan needs serious introspection & a leader of some stature to straighten things out, democratically.
Noble Lucifer
Sep 11, 2012 04:58am
Just one comment out of all Indian comments that you picked. Please remember that you would find varied opinions from Indian commentators. That does not mean the worst one is correct. Please understand that.
I, Reason
Sep 11, 2012 05:01am
From the many comments, I come to the conclusion that possession of rationality and critical thinking skills should have been the reason for Partition. Those who had it (the majority) would have had a country of their own; and those who did not, also deserved a country of their very own. Jinnah and Iqbal diagnosed the problem wrongly: assuming religion was the reason for future conflict. Rather it was between those who were reasonable and those who were not, regardless of faith. And after the Partition, a mile-high impenetrable wall should have been constructed to keep the two groups from ever mingling again!
Rakesh Kotti
Sep 11, 2012 01:12pm
Dawood! ;-)
pathanoo
Sep 10, 2012 03:54pm
Dear Faiza, My heart bleeds for you. What must it take for you to write such an article? The courage, the anguish, the utter sense of hopelesness, the burning suffocating desire to share your inner most true feelings with your compatriots....it took has moved me. MAY TH EGOOD LORD BLESS YOU. AND DON'T EVER STOP WRITING. I HOPE Dr. MANMOHAN SINGH WOULD ALLOW THE HAZARAS, AHMADIS, CHRISTIANS, SHIAS AND EVEN THE OPPRESSED SUNNIS SEEKING ASSYLUM TO SEETLE IN INDIA.
Ahmer Ali
Sep 10, 2012 03:55pm
A very well written article Faiza! Mixed with the intended sarcasm of the Indian Regime of only accepting Hindus as their own, despite claiming to be the world's largest secular state. In my opinion to much regret most of the readers have not taken on board the true spirit with which this article is written. Its neither meant to be Anti Pakistan nor is it meant to be Pro-Indian. The main theme of the article is to be a precursor to a thought as to where we are heading as a nation where people are brutally being dismissed just on their sects, let alone religion. Pakistan was supposed to be a tolerant safe heaven for people of all socio-religio-political back grounds. They all had respect enshrined in the constitution as equal citizens of the country irrespective of their belief Besides, since when has Almighty given the right of judging Fidels and the infidels to the mere mortals. This He has kept firmly with Him and He alone will decide their affairs on the day of judgement. We all are expected as Humans to respect every living being within reason and give every one their basic rights irrespective of where they originate from. I hope one day we all are able to realize this and make our society and the world in large a better place to live with peace and harmony. Sincerely A faithful Pakistani and a Muslim
neeta
Sep 11, 2012 05:14am
Well if you want to be a Indian citizen...then you have to support India... whenever we (Indian) defeat your Pakistani team you have to cheer for India and say from heart that "Yes I am proud to be an Indian".
RAJENDRA BANSAL
Sep 11, 2012 05:14am
I think most People have missed the point. Real Question is,If India is a secular state than why can't a Muslim or Christian Pakistani get Indian Citizenship. I agree with the author. Well written
Salman
Sep 10, 2012 03:51pm
I too would leave Pakistan for India in a second if I was stuck in that land of misery and pain. No future no hope. I can't imagine a greater feeling of helplessness. To all the critics, I bet you would be sitting in India in a heartbeat if given the opportunity.
Rakesh Kotti
Sep 11, 2012 01:09pm
Dawood Ibrahim perhaps? ;-)
dr vimal raina
Sep 10, 2012 03:50pm
big talk...you can come to my neighbour hood Hayat and no one will ask you, your religion
Gautam
Sep 11, 2012 05:27am
'Pakistan started from the scratch while India strated with an India with all infrastructure and treasury'....Bammm!!! Everybody listen up, this guy has found the reason, Finally.
RAJENDRA BANSAL
Sep 11, 2012 05:25am
Hi Mr Syed Kazmi, I think the author is questioning the policy of a secular nation India to plan to give citizenship to some Pakistani's who are Hindus. Will India do the same for Muslim and Christian Pakistani's if they seek the same
pankajdehlavi
Sep 11, 2012 05:28am
Why are you living in Canada ? You got your Pakistan, why don't you live in some part khyber-Pakhtoonwa happily? It is really nice to see a Pakistani proudly talking about the great status of women in Pakistan.
Omer
Sep 11, 2012 10:46am
Pakistan is still a safe heaven for me, my friends, family and anyone that I know..I think the writer lives in another land or just tries to bring issues outta nowhere. She has probably forgotten that half of our issues are courtesy India and she is pleading them for help, shocking!!
Faraz
Sep 11, 2012 05:31am
Oh.. thank you.
Gautam
Sep 11, 2012 05:30am
You also didn't think muslims would progress much more in India when you broke away. The proof is in the pudding, buddy.
Satish
Sep 10, 2012 03:46pm
Pakistani citizens are not the responsibility of govt of India irrespective of their religion. The govt of India is only responsible for the citizens and legal residents of India. The constitution of India has not authorized the govt of India to worry about citizens of a foreign country.
APC
Sep 11, 2012 05:43am
You said it
Saurabh Srivastava
Sep 11, 2012 05:45am
You guys have no idea of what she wrote? did you? First of all, Congratulations to Ms. Faiza for fooling so many people on both sides of the border. Guys, its a "highly sarcastic" article, which mocks both the countries. The reason she chose to address "Manmohan Singh" and not "The Govt of India" has a reason. MMS is considered one of the weakest PMs India ever had. She chose to appreciate India's growth, at a time when India's growth is at a minimum in recent times. She chose to call India secular, when an important verdict in Gujrat riots was recently pronounced (I do believe India is "more secular" than Pakistan though). She chose India as an "alternative" to Pakistan because there can't be a better way to tease a Pakistani, other than praising India. Com'on... it all Sarcasm, she'll surely write an article soon to clarify it :D
dr vimal raina
Sep 10, 2012 03:45pm
It is not about poverty sir, it is about self respect, safety and hope....In Pakistan the minorities have lost all three and the majority are bereft of the last two,
Adnan
Sep 11, 2012 05:43am
What Ur Thoughts About Jammu Kashmir...? Could U write To Singh About That..? Or U Dont Know A bout Kashmir..? Think About It.. And U must Write...
dr vimal raina
Sep 10, 2012 03:39pm
maybe you should ask them...
Faraz
Sep 11, 2012 05:46am
Jamil.. both of your questions are invalid.. lacking hope and encouraging depression
Ahmed Khan
Sep 11, 2012 05:35pm
This provocative but very meaningful article is a cry of the "sane" Pakistanis who are fed up of the incursion of extremist religious ideology in their lives, awful law and order situation and a total collapse of morality , justice and fairplay in Pakistan. The fact is that pakistanis only complain but do nothing to correct their situation. Why don't they bring a revolution to wipe out lawlessness, corruption, and religious extremism in the country and take religion out out of the public life and put it back into the place where it belongs - in the hearts of the individuals ?
nchauhdry
Sep 11, 2012 06:07am
The point the writer has tried to make, about the Indian bias in favour of Pakistani Hindus, needs to be made more prominent. The sugar coating is too thick, diminishing the effect of this very valid point.
Cyrus Howell
Sep 10, 2012 03:38pm
"...why complain about everything when you are moving to better places.." Because she can.
Akash Paul
Sep 11, 2012 06:06am
Thought provoking article Ms. Mirza. I salute Dawn for publishing such a bold article.
Bangalore
Sep 11, 2012 07:00am
Very ill Informed....I think you are very young to comment on issues like this...India is not an aid (money)seeker any more. its a donor...I think the university were you study has not revised there syllabus for years.
Raoul Ciao
Sep 11, 2012 05:58am
Faiza's work is dark satire. It is meant as a slap on the PEOPLE who tolerate the religious bigotry which is slowly unraveling Pakistan. Not just the civil govt or army, but each one of you who in their hearts' cheer a murdering guard of Taseer, those who silently feel happy about Bombay 26/11, who silently hope the amreekans are killed by Taliban or Mujahids and support the spread of religion in public life by watching a televised conversion as an act of piety, instead of intolerance, and those professing a false ghairat in the neoreligious shape the nation has taken as against true nation building as envisaged by founding fathers incl Jinnah. By invoking hated India, the idea was to i suppose jolt citizens rather than literally state the key words of asking for asylum. The message looks like, has delivered. And bigots outnumber all others on writing in.
Paras Dilliwaala
Sep 11, 2012 02:02pm
This is the kind of journalism which sets Dawn apart from other newspapers! Bravo.
Sumit
Sep 11, 2012 06:31am
Ok Dear Anant, you can dismount from your high horse now! "The duplicity of the Indian state" as put by you, would be an apt allegation if the Indian govt was denying visas and asylum to all Muslims, Christians etc and only accepting Hindus! Whoever applied and came across was given asylum. You make it sound like hundreds of Muslims were in line to cross over to India and were denied entry!
Pavas Ambashta
Sep 10, 2012 02:32pm
And How exactly??
Cyrus Howell
Sep 10, 2012 02:34pm
Many Pakistanis have remarked on how many Indians read DAWN online. Part of the reason is Indian newspapers suck.
Asif
Sep 10, 2012 02:34pm
Faiza, you wrote ... "Mr Singh, many Pakistanis will refuse to openly admit this but most of us would like to be considered eligible for Indian nationality. The reason behind our desire to move is extremely simple. It is because India since 1947 has grown as a nation, an economy and a country". Well well well !!! Pakistanis are disappointed in the state of Pakistan, and perhaps the circle you move in would prefer to become Indian citizens, but believe me that is not the case for the majority of Pakistanis. It's as simple as that ! I am puzzled that DAWN's reporters have such a defeatist mentality...yes Pakistan is whipped today and its difficult to hope, but Phoenix rises from its ashes. Do keep hope alive in your heart and mind, you seem to be a young person !!
SS
Sep 10, 2012 02:36pm
Indians are interested in much more than you realize. How will one know unless one reads the opinions of others. I have lived in Canada for 40 years and to get a true perspective of India-Pakistan equation read Dawn, The Express, the Hindu, Hindustan times, and Times of India, daily. Faiza Mirza writes her opinion and like all the readers of her column, be it Pakistani, or Indian, they in turn express their opinion. However, I understand your surprise of reading so many opinions by Indians. Does that make you feel vulnerable? And I am not surprised at your comment, "its meant to be ironic". You too are one of many Pakistanis who do not want to admit the quagmire your country is in, created by your hatred of others and religious extremism fostered and encouraged by your Armed Forces, the mullah regimes, and your Hindu hatred filled school text books. No wonder you have your head in sand... you are expected to be stuck in your Ghairat....Best of luck...
Zimbo_Indian
Sep 11, 2012 01:58pm
Ma'am, I am surprised you have not yet been lynched in Pakistan.
Jaideep
Sep 11, 2012 06:58am
Good article, apart from the 'Hindus remain your government's first priority' bit. Indians are, or should be the Government of India's top priority, irrespective of their religion. Goes to show that even among the educated elite of Pakistan, India is a country where Hindus have first priority. That is a privilege extended on all Indians.
Raoul Ciao
Sep 11, 2012 06:54am
THESE COMING ELECTIONS IN PAKISTAN i BELIEVE WILL BRING THE SCENT OF THE JASMINE REVOLUTION TO PAKISTAN AS THE YOUTH WILL VOTE IN BIG NOS FOR CHANGE. THERE WILL BE A PAKISTANI SPRING SOON...... THE ONLY ISSUE IS THAT THE SUPREME COURT SHD THEN ALLOW THAT GOVT TO CONTINUE.....
pathanoo
Sep 10, 2012 03:24pm
WOW!!!! Zameer Sultan. Now I know the reason why Pakistan is in such a mess. It is because of people like you.
nchauhdry
Sep 11, 2012 06:02am
If that is the blogger's idea of creating an interesting light hearted joke, she miserably fails at it. And if she writes this in all seriousness, she alone should be given Indian citizenship. She must refrain from using the word 'we' because millions of Pakistanis like me would die striving to make Pakistan better before seeking Indian citizenship.
Raoul Ciao
Sep 11, 2012 06:01am
fantastic positive suggestion, just what citizens should be planning.
dr vimal raina
Sep 10, 2012 03:42pm
she gave you a specific and a constructive recommendations.....MIGRATE
dr vimal raina
Sep 10, 2012 03:40pm
i am sure you did want to write more but the electricity went off....
Amir
Sep 11, 2012 01:06pm
very true...
SS
Sep 10, 2012 02:10pm
It is truly sad that you have taken flight. But I respect your right to safeguard your and your family's lives. I sincerely hope that no matter where you are, you will write against the injustices meted out to minorities of the world. I have lived in Canada for 40 years and know the true meaning of personal freedom, safety and a place to be who you are. Best of luck.
Rahul D B
Sep 11, 2012 06:05am
This isn't running away. This is a call for help to the people of Pakistan to make it better.
The Mahdi
Sep 10, 2012 02:11pm
Faiza, you can leave Pakistan behind but you can't leave pakistaniyat . So, do the world a favour and be in pakistan.
Sohaib Umer
Sep 11, 2012 01:56pm
This lady has a very negative approach. In every article she displays pessimism. Such kind of articles can only increase frustration in the society. Newspaper is equally responsible for the damage since there is no need to publish such an ordinary article. There are plenty of people who have better views to share with society. Sohaib (Mauritius)
Bobs
Sep 10, 2012 03:16pm
Just read it to understand the Sarcasm in it..she is not willing to move to India ,She just want her own birth country to become like India,US,UK,Canda etc etc...Because Pakistan has become living hell for people who want to live peacefully with Muslims and non muslims..Want to enjoy Eid but also wants to share some sewain with their non muslims neighbours...
Sohail
Sep 11, 2012 01:47pm
There are enough articles written on the worstening situation in Pakistan, here the idea of resolving the issue is by migrating to India! post second world war, Germans or Japenese (even after the floods) didn't start applying for US passports!
Jinky
Sep 11, 2012 04:11pm
I strongly agree with you. While I agree with everything said in the article, and also stating that i am not at all anti-India.. this doesn't mean I would want to be considered for Indian nationality. I would like my country to improve itself. and MOST of us? I highly doubt it. We should follow in India's footsteps. There's a difference between going in India's footsteps and going to India. Very honest opinion: I do not want to be considered for Indian nationality.
Cyrus Howell
Sep 11, 2012 06:20am
"The cardinal rule of a closing or closed society is that your alignment with the regime offers no protection; in a true police state no one is safe." -- Naomi Wolf
Ali
Sep 10, 2012 02:09pm
The author must not have read today's Dawn news of Indian cartoonist and a university professor were jailed just for pointing to the wide spread corruptions in India. Don't you appreciate the freedom that you can publish such letter and still free?
Ali
Sep 10, 2012 02:10pm
well madam, what an immature article...if you like moving out, plz do so...If you are serious plz apply for asylum in india why complain about everything when you are moving to better places..
Wasif
Sep 10, 2012 02:07pm
Indeed - Indeed left me with a heavy heart
Alok
Sep 11, 2012 03:30pm
To phir Pakistan ke macho men, kab badlogay apna taqdeer. Kis waqt ka intezaar kar rahe ho! Kab laa rahe ho apne watan me amal.
Qazi
Sep 10, 2012 02:06pm
thanks Yaqoob. the writer deserves this so do our people who haven't done real struggle and now envy the India's democracy. every country's people need to resolve their problems on their own.
Rao
Sep 11, 2012 03:31pm
What makes you think I am pretending to be Indian???? I am proud to be Pakistani.
UA
Sep 11, 2012 12:25pm
Dude this article is no place to have pointless debates. Chill. Pakistan might have its problems but they are ours to deal with, not sure why you are getting all hyper about it. The problem with the media is that they exagerate the bad and dont say much about the good. A fine balance is needed.
Asad
Sep 10, 2012 01:46pm
Faaiza, an excellent idea if India itself had a better track record of Human Rights than Pakistan. Unfortunately that's not the case. If any of the Muslim minority groups decided to go over, I can guarantee you that they would face similar (if not considerably worse) discrimination upon their arrival to India. Don't forget that the millions of Afghan refugees that came over the border to Pakistan in the 80s, 90s and 2000s have been allowed to own and operate businesses of their own. They find employment (albeit meagre) and in many cases have even been able to acquire the rights vote as Pakistani citizens. Now the attacks on their specific communities are condemnable, but with the lack of resources and funds (and the rampant corruption in the upper echelons of the bureaucracy), it has become extremely difficult to police the borders, let alone the vast expanses within.
Muhammad Ahmed Mufti
Sep 10, 2012 01:46pm
Ms. Mirza you are welcome to leave Pakistan and take the Dawn newspaper and its team with you. You will not be missed!
Maliha Hussain
Sep 11, 2012 12:37pm
And when she writes a similar letter to Obama ( because conditions in India are not any better) you would be the first one to charge her with treason and throw her out of India!
Rayne
Sep 10, 2012 01:45pm
Faiza: Your aim is laudable, but I dare say the effort is counterproductive. A tiny minority of liberal elites will understand and applaud the satire. An overwhelming majority, however, wrapped in their India-hatred and their nationalism will call you names and will point to minority-targeting Indian atrocities as a defence of their ostrich positions. So what will you have gained?. I don't know how you can sway Pakistanti minds, but this just isn't it. This is as much a question to Dawn's editors as it is to you; I applaud Dawn's evolution from a mildly liberal paper to one that can actually publish a blog as open as this one, but this is no way to effect real change.
Sunil
Sep 10, 2012 01:44pm
To be critical is one thing and to abandon hope is another. What makes you think that Pakistan will not see growth of progressive forces in future? It might take time but that is the way it has to go, And remember, the obscurantists and religious bigots have only grown stronger in India in the recent past. Nehru had put us on a track of progressivism. He was truly an exceptional leader who understood that India's future lies in embracing scientific outlook. The current of crop of leaders in India do not have any such ideological orientation. So, unless people are vigilant India could end up in the hands of bigots in not so distant future.
Syed Jafri
Sep 11, 2012 06:52am
Dear Faiza, You proved me right again. I told you after reading one of your articles that one day you will be begging for an Indian Passport but it was not in my dreams that you will act so soon. Don't forget all this journalism and platform for you is because of MY COUNTRY PAKISTAN which is tolerating traitors like you. Any ways try it out and go to India. But don' worry if you save yourself from hindus and sikhs and want to come back we will still accomodate you as we have been doing to everyone. People like you make the job of US , India and Israel that much easier.
Concerned Citizen
Sep 10, 2012 01:44pm
India has always welcomed persecuted people from all parts -- Jews, Bahai, Tibetians, Parsis. Even Muslims in India lead a much better life than in Pakistan. If you seriously want to leave Pakistan, do apply to come to India. However problems of a country cannot be solved by leaving the country to monsters.
Rakesh Kotti
Sep 11, 2012 12:43pm
The same Javed Akhtar has called the two nation theory flawed on two major counts....1) The creation of Bangladesh (How come the muslims couldn't live together) and 2) India still has a vibrant muslim population that is doing well in many fields..... And if you are going to refer to the Sachar committee report ....well we have a committee appointed to look into the reasons for the backwardness of a community...that is reassuring by itself ... I can only wish your country luck in ensuring a stable system at the earliest.
umair
Sep 11, 2012 05:21pm
i think people should understand the concept what writer is trying to put, instead just taking the words. if we can ask India to give us shelter, then think what we have becoming to.
suneel
Sep 11, 2012 05:34pm
if you have not lived in/for Pakistan, How would you die for Pakistan
YA
Sep 12, 2012 09:11pm
Respectfully, the lady is beautiful also full of wisdom and knowledge. As her kind will know its hard to communicate with intellectually inept people...
varun
Sep 11, 2012 01:33pm
PAKISTAN SE ZINDABHAG
mirchmasala
Sep 11, 2012 01:33pm
Brilliant article Faiza!
Pavas Ambashta
Sep 10, 2012 01:42pm
You should better live in Pakistan the safest country where no atrocities are committed against anyone and leave poor India and Indian on their miserable state..When did 570 Muslims died in Mumbai? Better know the facts before speaking..India is a very large country with people belonging to almost every possible religion..In such a large country with this much diversity no one can expect an utopian situation..Problems are there,no doubt but still India is one country and people living here have only one identity : "INDIAN"..In my India religion comes second after the nation for every Indian irrespective of his faith..
Still-a-Pakistani
Sep 10, 2012 01:42pm
Thank you congratulations Faiza for raising these very important issues. I know you did not mean seeking political asylum in India who has its hands full with its own problem but by all means are better than our present situation. You would be declared/labelled, as so many have already starting doing in their comments, as Kafir/Raw Agent/even working for Mossad but deep down they know you are right. Why cannot any thing be done to bring peace to our beautiful country. I live outside Pakistan and after every six months I die to go back to my beloved country only to leave it again in disgust after three weeks. in-competent Government who tries to protect their stolen millions, suicide bombers, killing of Shias, forced conversion of Hindus, load shedding, kidnappings, The shameful part is that the Government is not even concern about these matters. Our country has been converted in to a lawless piece of land at the mercy of Bandits like Taliban and others in the name of Islam. I know and have witnessed it personally that our Army can get rid of these Taliban Fitna but they are trying to play games with Americans and in the process hurt Pakistan. I believe drones are helping peaceful Pakistanis by killing these bandits. The much trumpeted so called innocent civilians in FATA are not that innocent. Why they let these criminal Taliban hide in their homes/villages/area. God bless you Faiza. Keep it up but be careful and stay safe.
Muhammad Ahmed
Sep 10, 2012 01:39pm
Well, just go and do what adnan sami, ali zafar and veena malik did and you will in good hands.
Umar Hussain
Sep 10, 2012 01:40pm
It is funny how you ignored the fact that how minorities are subjected to atrocities in India & a very high number of domestic insurgencies are present there even more than Pakistan. It is for people like you Ex PM Gillani said `Why Don`t You Leave Then?`
Rajiv
Sep 10, 2012 09:09pm
The fact is that minorities get treated in a different way in every country. Minorities who choose to move out consider their options and in this case, India seems a better option. It's facing the devil or jumping into the well... looks like people are taking chances with jumping into the well.
naren
Sep 11, 2012 07:56pm
India is best....Compare to Pak. Lot lot better than Pak. Proud Muslim from India
raqibwyne
Sep 11, 2012 07:57pm
you forgot political & sectarian thuggs, and the media, journalism playing fanfare without any minimum dignity or morals !
Ganesh (India)
Sep 11, 2012 06:24pm
Pakisthan had around 20% Hindus during partition and now they are 3 %. Where as in India there were only 2% Muslims during partition and now they are 20%.... Think about it...
suneel
Sep 11, 2012 05:37pm
Mr Hasan, why didnt you move to Pakistan in 1971?
john
Sep 11, 2012 12:47pm
i second it, even kalmadi
alok agarwal
Sep 12, 2012 07:23am
Faiza, Indians may be better of , but many more miles to go. Indian society too goes through periodic attack on its secular, democratic fabric. Somehow sensible heads have been able to prevail. Your Shikwa is justified but not Jawab e Shikwa (Iqbal too was wrong in his Jawab e shikwa). One can't run away, one has to fight, it's collective fight of us south asians.
Naren
Sep 11, 2012 08:46pm
American, canadian, australian, british citizenships....dream on!
Rameez
Sep 10, 2012 01:14pm
You are getting Indian figures from last 20 years. Compare them with just last 2 years in Pakistan, you will get your answer. India is not perfect but obviously much tolerant and more open. I am an Indian muslim and would never ever think of becoming a Pakistan. On the other hand it is very obvious that non of the Pakistani minority group want to live in Pakistan
Gautham
Sep 10, 2012 01:36pm
This article made me really nervous for the first time. For an Indian, knowing what is happening in Pakistan is a curiosity and most times, I sympathize with what is happening. But in general, I never felt part of the theatre that Pakistan is in. Of course, Indians are part of another type of daily ups and downs. This is the first time I felt really nervous and a faint feeling that disaster may knock at our doors one day if Pakistani people continue to slide down the path of hope. If one day hordes of Pakistanis walk down into India, we will have a disaster in South Asia. India cannot sustain economically, politically and socially anyone coming in if numbers - whether they are minorities from Pakistan or Tamils from Srilanka or internally displaced Bangladeshis (into Assam). Today this is going under the radar only be use of the numbers (just a trickle). But any large scale will create a havoc - even if it is internal displacement within Indian states.
Anand
Sep 12, 2012 07:28am
As an Indian i feel appreciated after reading this letter but in other hand if i see it with Pakistani eyes it is solely demotivating and cruel truth. Asylum is not an option, fight with an evil and dispel the misma is an option. If you are patriotic then clean the dust of your Nation. it is solely coward action that you are leaving your country for your personal betterment and still saying i love you & miss you Pakistan. We are looking Pakistani liberals with great hope that one day we will see stable developing democracy in pakistan. Every nation has some problem it doesn't mean people will start searching asylum. in last i would like to say quitting is not an appropriate option when an intellect class of any country start doing so then who will bring change??
dr vimal raina
Sep 12, 2012 07:28am
I am sure she knows about Kashmir and if she did write about it you would writhe...
raqibwyne
Sep 11, 2012 07:14pm
and the 7th column sells her fake dreams of freedom of expression, human rights, equal rights among untouchables living next to the indian bed of RAVI !
Agha
Sep 11, 2012 11:46pm
People fail to understand what you are saying "haters gona hate". We fail to see our problems and say everything is going to be allright. When? I see people adjusting to what is happening no voices are being raised. Since 65 years we have been on a self destruction path and i guess there is no light at the end of this tunnel.
raqibwyne
Sep 11, 2012 06:56pm
yeh dugdugi akhir kab tak bajjate raho ge ?
ROHIT PANDEY
Sep 12, 2012 01:35am
Let us put it this way? Both the women expose. One exposes the her skin and the rips off the mask of hypocrisy and exposes the real face of Pakistan with all it's faults?
Rao
Sep 11, 2012 04:05pm
Just google dude! I know it is hard to put your country's name with wrong keywords in google, but please give it a try or click here. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=human+rights+violation+indian+army+kashmir http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_India http://observers.france24.com/content/20100917-kashmir-video-human-rights-violations-adds-fuel-deadly-protests-india-army No 3rd world country is innocent. Dont think you are the holy cow. One thing I must admit is that your media is doing wonderful job of hiding all the issues from Indians. That's how the media should be, it should not promote violence.
Vijay
Sep 11, 2012 08:32pm
The Pakistani Hindus are still waiting for citizenship despite many being in India for more than 6 - 8 years. But, Bangladeshi Muslims are getting citizenship with all rights within weeks. Try that route!
rida
Sep 12, 2012 07:17am
correct
Kanwal
Sep 12, 2012 03:53am
My heart bleeds for Ms Fazia, and in fact all my brothers and sisters in Pakistan. I am amazed to at the type of openness and freedom with which Dawn publishes. India has a lot to learn from you.
rida
Sep 12, 2012 07:34am
A complete piece of nonsense
MKB
Sep 12, 2012 07:35am
.Dear Asad, Just you realized that Faiza has succeeded to arouse your self stem. Her article is like a wake-up call to all who loves their mother land. You should agree that Pakistan is not in her best of shape, neither India is. But some how India has managed to put her on the right track and moving slowly. In case of Pakistan, she is nowhere near to the track One need not to point out the reasons. They are many. But the most important one is fanaticism & intolerance. You love your religion; that is ok but do not hart others. Your excessive eudemonism on your beloved religion is the fall and reflected in your own post. Today you are as a Muslims also divided lot. You see, there are many sects in all major religion. But they do not kill each other or they try to correct others. All they do practice same religion in their own way. Instate of criticizing Faiza & Dawn, you should thankful them
dr vimal raina
Sep 12, 2012 07:36am
'this woman' has a name and it is Ms. Faiza Mirza...Mind it....
wasif
Sep 12, 2012 07:38am
bro well
Rashmi Talwar
Sep 12, 2012 07:40am
Dear Faiza Mirza , Ur letter makes a very valid point but the fact of the matter is that the only solution for minorities and muslims in Pakistan is not escapism but to improve their lot. I know it is not easy but for India to open its migration to Pakistanis would be a huge responsibility for itself, given as they say 'India is already dealing with population explosion'. By allowing all the persecuted sections of society in Pakistan a humanitarian asylum will be seen as creating fissures in both countries wherein many communities live together. There would be questions raised on facilities to be granted to them and how much . In the current perspective, of talks of peace and harmony between the two countries the opening of asylum for Pakistanis would mean a denigrating Pakistan and as oneupmanship indulged by the stronger nation i.e. India. Despite being progressive India is also facing its own problems. Instead of seeking asylum Pakistanis can at best become friends with India. In that scenario with more and more interactions with each other on trade, cultural, art history and other common platforms mindsets are bound to widen and new dimensions would open for them. Only then would they be able to become discernible about what and how much is beneficial and what needs to be discarded. ...This is only my humble opinion ...Rashmi Talwar Amritsar India ... Email : rashmitalwarno1@gmail.com
fairy
Sep 12, 2012 07:09am
pathetic article....n pity for the writer.....i have christian n Hindus friends even...n they are as patriotic as v r....based on one or two examples in this country, u cant blame the whole nation....anybody who wants to quit rather than trying to fix the problems z surely looser..
amir
Sep 11, 2012 08:22pm
well said yaser
ADNAN
Sep 12, 2012 04:13am
SAME HERE
ROHIT PANDEY
Sep 12, 2012 01:25am
You come from a strong family background? Do tell us what you think of a 11 year old girl,with a chromosomal disorder being framed by a Muslim cleric and to top it all,seems to have been raped too? I am eager to hear what opinion a man from strong family background has to say about it?
Vin
Sep 11, 2012 11:19pm
I think you too have an interesting view !
Ron
Sep 10, 2012 08:13am
Awwwww.. Visit anytime Faiza. You are welcome.
pathanoo
Sep 11, 2012 06:18pm
WOW!!! WOW!!!!! & WOW!!!! Fazia, You really touched the deep, most sensitive nerve. Look at the fury? GREATER THE TRUTH, MORE IT STINGS. DON'T EVER STOP WRITING.
syed
Sep 11, 2012 06:20pm
Superb response Rahul! Well said! He was the one who started this mess!
Navin
Sep 11, 2012 05:52pm
Mr. Faisal !What is your (India's) turn? It isn't 7th century?Fanatics are going to be crushed once and for all sooner rather than later.
Bablu
Sep 11, 2012 07:25pm
Because India is secular and has a lot in common with Pakistan.
kedar
Sep 12, 2012 01:15am
Liked the last line!!!
rikki
Sep 12, 2012 05:32am
what you think american need help from india ? for attack on pakistan ???/ Did you Know size of Utter pradesh state[ in india ] and pakistan ? as a indian i don't see pakistan is an enemy don't worth it
anon
Sep 12, 2012 01:17am
truly said mr.noble.pakistanis are a jealous lot and cannot see others suceed even their own.
Bablu
Sep 11, 2012 07:34pm
She is merely conveying a point, why is it that she cannot be a patriot while trying to objectively criticize her own homeland, why does she need to cover the filth that stinks so bad that the whole world knows about it. Pakistan is in the news everyday and usually not for good reasons.
Rameez
Sep 10, 2012 01:34pm
Imran - I'm with you that we as citizens need to highlight the problems we see and hold the relevant parties accountable. But this is not a very difficult first step - these days, in Pakistani media, you will not struggle to find negative views on the myriad issues we face. What you will not find as easily are the right recommendations to take us forward. Education reform and our plan on that front, tax policy, and many others - these are far more critical (and constructive) topics to discuss rather than the nonsense that Faiza has written to get a few clicks.
john
Sep 10, 2012 12:53pm
go to saudi arabia
abc
Sep 11, 2012 11:28pm
Indian Goverment should make special policies to give citizenship to all Hinud, Sikhs and christians of Pakistan, whoever is willing to make India their home. And (un)fortunately, for muslims of Pakistan, I know for fact, that they will not be able to get asylam or citizenship of India, because of our goverment policies and most importantly, our mutual mistrust. Ths is the only logical solution, and our policies are also moving in the same direction. Within the next 10 years, we will not hear any stories of atrosities against minorities in Pakistan. And Ms Fazia, you are a wonderful and brave person, and for your own good, it is better for you to migrate to any other countries. Inspite of being so intelleligent and qualified, Gulf and arabs wont give you your due respect, as we all south asians are treated as third grade residents (we are never eligible for their citizenship). The best option for you is to move to any westeern countries. I’m sure you have already moved to one of those progressive and just countries in the west. And i wish you all tthe best for your future.
Ziya
Sep 12, 2012 11:39am
Somehow you don't seem to get her point at all! Its not about moving to India but about the unrest Pakistan society is in and its sorry state of affairs where people are killed in broad daylight by extremists. There is absolute political unrest and she is only expressing the disgust as a Pakistani citizen. I am sure you are not proud of the phase your country is going through either. Instead of abusing her, join hands with Pakistani citizens like her so that voice of common man makes the difference
Ali
Sep 12, 2012 03:55am
Not a bad way of gaining cheap popularity, Keep writing you might get status of item girl from bollywood.
MJKhan
Sep 11, 2012 06:34pm
Do I want to migrate to India ? If it is such a good a country to live in, then why those thousands of Indians prefer to live in UK or US ? If given choice,Ms. Mirza will do the same.
Honest Opnion
Sep 12, 2012 01:09am
Looks written from heart.. i liked it very much
Ali (Islamabad)
Sep 12, 2012 07:45am
My answer to the writer: Speak for yourself, I don't want to move to India and I know so many like myself. Instead of fixing a problem you want to run away from the problem and that too to another problem(no offense to Indians who keep trolling these boards). Grass is always greener on the other side. You are the people who voted for this government and now you start blaming everyone else, and don't tell me you did not vote, if that's the case its even worse. Stop blaming everyone else and look at yourself and see what you can do to help, how involved are you in trying to change all of this mess. What are you actually doing to help? And you think migrating to India will give you peace that you are looking for without struggling for it. I pity your state of mind. Tell me which country in the world has not gone through wars and killings? Which country did not go through bad and struggling times. Unfortunately for us, currently we are going through this it doesn't mean that I will run away from here and I am sure there many many like me and of course few like you. I will wait and die for the day this country becomes the best country in the world. And "that day will come"
naren
Sep 11, 2012 07:47pm
Given a chance you too!!
Amir
Sep 11, 2012 12:48pm
people like this writer who exhaust all available resources of our country to achieve their goals, who ever she is today is only because of pakistan. now when its really time to pay back she talks like a looser. i by no means support any of the so called religious zealots, crazies or fanatics but i strongly believe that our country needs us more than any time before. utterly shameful and disgusting article
Ahmad Nadeem (PAK)
Sep 12, 2012 01:03am
So Ms. Mirza you want to migrate to India ? Who is stopping you? You managed to create a FAN -BASE in India. About time to buy one way ticket !
dr vimal raina
Sep 12, 2012 07:10am
who founded the newspaper? I think Jinnah himself. Wonder if it is a shame for him too. Shame on you Ronnie.
Azhar uddin (Lahore, Pak).
Sep 12, 2012 12:34am
Well partition has taken place, it has been 65 years. If you regret, go to Indian Consulate, get a visa, claim asylum - For us one less India's lover.
Ramesh
Sep 12, 2012 08:24am
The author should know that India is already holding the Rohingya Muslims, Afghan Muslims, Bangladeshi Muslims, etc. as refugees - which number in millions. It has given shelter to political refugees of the likes of Taslima Nasreen. In addition to this India has Afghan Christians and Burmese Chin Christians as refugees. Tibetans were also given the refugee for which India bore the brunt from China. In the past also India gave shelter to Zoroastrians - descendants of whom are known as the Parsis in India - when they were persecuted in their homeland. So, if you carefully research, you will find that India has millions of refugees from Abrahamic religions already.
Ali India
Sep 12, 2012 01:29am
Mr Khan. You have completely missed the point of the article!
Shafaq Khan-New Delhi
Sep 11, 2012 06:49am
Nice Article.. I can understand your Pain... As your Government Providing Citizenship/Shelter for affected Afgani Muslim people Only Indian Government do same. As your Government Not Providing Citizenship/Shelter for affected Afgani Sikh/Hindu people Only Indian Government do same.
Raja
Sep 10, 2012 12:51pm
Perhaps this letter was not on your behalf. In India, the long arm of the law eventually caught up with the culprits. Look at Gujrat case, or Orissa case, or even Samjutha case. In Pakistan, the law does not have an arm at all.
APakistani
Sep 11, 2012 06:21pm
I guess even after living in UK for a long time you still didnt learn how to write English :o). No wonder you came back ;o)
Aamir
Sep 11, 2012 05:13pm
We will hate to admit that you are are right. If you go anywhere in the world you are safe and you come back to your homeland and you are murdered, what good is that country to you.
suneel
Sep 11, 2012 05:13pm
Faisal, Keep dreaming....learning one lesson did not make Pak wise enough to treat Baluchi's with respect. May be time for lesson number 2......
MAHENDRA DEV
Sep 12, 2012 12:49am
bangladeshis are darling of congress vote bank hindus are 2nd class citizen
Plato
Sep 12, 2012 11:04am
Calm down folks, it's just a newspaper blog. Tomorrow we'll all forget about it and move on. As they say "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.". Cheers.
Imran
Sep 11, 2012 06:25pm
So Faiza, are you actually leaving for India? Is that your idea of safer pastures? Or is it somewhere in the West (as I suspect)? I think after penning this article it would be India's loss if you migrate to the West.
Aalee
Sep 11, 2012 11:14pm
Hi Ryan, I am sorry to say that you do not have your facts right about the founder of the Islamic religion or the creation of Pakistan. I have studied Islam in depth and have had the opportunity to study the history of Indian subcontinent. There is no such thing as a moderate or an extremist muslim. Islam in itself a religion of moderation and the Christians or Jews or Zoroastians are not Kafirs according to Islam. The people who kill, maim and destroy in the name of Islam are as much muslims as Hitler was a Christian. You are most welcome to question what I am saying and I will be happy to answer.
pankajdehlavi
Sep 12, 2012 08:03am
By the way, for your information you don't have any other option Mr. Kashif, but to die in Pakistan only. Which nation will accept hardliner like you and what else can you do in Pakistan. Even your all weather friend don't like to invite any Pakistani migrant.
asad tirmizi
Sep 12, 2012 12:41am
I literally cried after reading this article. Made me so upset, never never ever would i leave this country ever. i believe in it. i own its faults but for not a single second do i doubt that one day it will be a Pakistan for us all. But this women, made me cry so badly. She made me so hurt, all day long i have been recoiling from demotivation. Then i decided that no for this another \\”veena malik\\” looking for some cross border felicitations. i am not going to feel down. i am going to go and give something to this country i love, i live in, i own. and i went outside saw a beggar kid, asked him if he had food. he said, no, i bought him food, gave him some money. and asked him if he loves Pakistan. he said, yes ! thats my country. And then i came back satisfied. I knew i got my answer. And then i saw Miss Faiza\\’s Twitter and i came to know, she is not even living in pakistan. I am so upset by this yellow journalism. that how can some one not living in Pakistan pass a judgement on \\”most pakistanis\\”. Make them demotivated. Make them cry. and then laugh \\”oh they didnt get the underlying message\\”. While i was dead from demotivation she was taking marriage proposals from Indians on twitter. ofcourse she made there day. Never before in Pak history has such a false, Lie, Demotivating article written. And she timed it perfectly. On our Father of Nation\’s anniversary. Maybe living in her new home outside Pakistan, she forgot about it. But she sure knows in her comfy abode, what we pakistani want underhand. Shame on her and shame on dawn for such an unfounded article. My friends, dont get demotivated. Miss faiza made the day for indians. Lets just bow our head down and give back something to society. One day i will write her a message where this parasite lives, that come see My Pakistan the beautiful, the just, the one for everyone. Forget about her cheap analysis. but please all of you complain to dawn about how can she make such unfounded claims.
ali
Sep 11, 2012 10:20pm
what about the muslims being killed in india to this day??
manish
Sep 11, 2012 06:13pm
do you have any minorities left in pakistan, that we could tell what backlash would have been their had 58 sunni muslims set on fire by hindus. before we explain anything, it is you who must explain, why muslims could not retain the minorities in their country?
dr vimal raina
Sep 12, 2012 07:33am
we want to earn DOLLARS and send them back to India....We want to have palatial house in USA and have an exact copy of it in Ludhiana.....that is what we are for in West.
Shyam Sethi
Sep 11, 2012 08:22pm
Ms. Mirza, very well written. Your readers will miss the point if they think this is some sort of "Grass is Greener" in India article--it is not! Pakistan needs to do much more to ensure the safety of not only its minorities but also its hapless citizens subjected to random violence almost daily. Well written
Sayeed Altaf Hussein
Sep 11, 2012 03:54pm
Umar, Dr raina has forgotten that half of India had no electricity on last week. lack of knowledge or intelegence I'll leave to to the "Dr".
h l
Sep 12, 2012 02:44am
you are doing exactly what this author was trying to convey. Thank you. You should ask question why are these things happening around our society and what can we change to bring peace for everyone, yes peace in Pakistan.
Afzal K.
Sep 11, 2012 06:09pm
Never ran away Sir. I just happened to be here for a short while, just passing through,,coming back home very soon.In the meantime you hold the flag of patriotism.
gmc
Sep 11, 2012 09:20pm
Hang on Mr. Tahir, stay put. "First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me." -Martin-Niemöller
raqibwyne
Sep 11, 2012 07:08pm
you mean an impure land USA, became civilized after abandonning puritanism ?
W.K
Sep 12, 2012 12:41am
Good on you Faiza for raising such a critical issue that plagues our country. I sincerely wish that my fellow countrymen could decipher the difference between satire and alleged self propulsion. Instead of lashing their tongues at the corrupt politicians they lash out at the very ink that bleeds itself dry trying desperately to raise awareness about crucial issues. I only wish that my fellow countrymen would direct a fraction of the same anger towards the corrupt politicians who they themselves have empowered instead of turning on you for simply raising awareness. God Bless Your Brother in Cause
Nomi
Sep 12, 2012 10:57am
What an absolute piece of trash by an ingorant person who does not have any idea about the problems India has with her people in general and minorities in particular. I can give her a lot of examples but I am not going to waste my time doing her job that is "journalist" do your research thoroughly.
Garib Manus
Sep 11, 2012 05:32pm
What does it have to do with "...from a woman"? BTW, immigration doesn't mean breaking all the ties.
Maj S Hasan Shah
Sep 11, 2012 05:32pm
TRUTH HURTS
Debraj
Sep 10, 2012 08:03pm
Bury your head in the sand. That works!! LOL.
Sarosh
Sep 11, 2012 08:23pm
i endorse ur view
zarrar
Sep 11, 2012 10:30pm
do you remember your extended family now Bangladesh!
Laeeq, NY
Sep 10, 2012 08:02pm
Why it is so hard for every one to accept the todays's reality of Pakistan. Why we are complaining against the author. Did Hindus did not cross the border to seek Asylum? Did lot of Ahmadies not migrated to Europe, USA, Canada or Australia where they are given Asylum in a matter of few months. And now for my brother Hazara Shias?. There are lot of countries of the world with big heart will accept you with open arms. Let Pakistan be for Pakistani's.
Royce
Sep 10, 2012 08:02pm
I myself too read here in Dawn that some considerable christian familes moved to live in Pak. forests. In a way i think Umar Aziz is right saying "Our Minorities are living here peacefully than India"
Ali
Sep 11, 2012 11:38am
Yes but they got better choices
naren
Sep 11, 2012 07:49pm
Did Javed Akhtar tell you that? Last time I checked he was not homeless yet!!!LOL
Muhammad
Sep 10, 2012 08:01pm
Leave Faiza, please leave! Guess what, you don't represent Pakistan and you don't speak for us!
Rao
Sep 11, 2012 06:26pm
Nobody wants to read your comment, I wish our media learns something from Indian media.
Vijaykumar
Sep 10, 2012 09:39am
Most welcome .... we lived together for thousands of years ....
Debraj
Sep 10, 2012 08:00pm
They do my friend. Its just that you do not know about it. Highly qualified does not mean a guy with a bachelor's degree. We have plenty of them in India.
Bablu
Sep 11, 2012 07:12pm
She is just trying to make a point that country has reached a point where anything is better than status-quo. By the way, many Indians have decided to move back to India from US and it is a fact, just Google it.
Moin
Sep 12, 2012 08:31am
Cynical mindset who can only see dark side of the picture!
nitsh
Sep 10, 2012 12:53pm
And you will feed them with your pocket.....Have some heart with our own poor citizen
dr vimal raina
Sep 12, 2012 06:33am
thank you sir for not wanting an Indian visa.
Ahmed
Sep 12, 2012 06:20am
I must "salute" all those "philosophers" managed to read between the lines. Someone is rebuking in your face and you are trying to find the "point" in it and applaud the so-called writer!. What a "dignity"!
Syed Abbas of Toronto
Sep 12, 2012 03:36am
Faiza Mirza should ask herself only 1 question. If she were in India, would she have the freedom to write such a column, and solicit such a lively discussion? Freedom has a price. Learn to pay it.
zaffar
Sep 11, 2012 07:29pm
Another Veena Malik who is looking for bollywood glamour.
Asim
Sep 11, 2012 09:14pm
Truth hurts, doesn't it folks? Stop blaming the writer and and fix the problem. Its about time.
Shankar
Sep 12, 2012 07:10am
Not fair, lot of English natives also write far worse English. One should appreciate the patriotic zeal in Furrukh.
Khawer
Sep 12, 2012 12:05am
Shows the enemy mind of the writer. She should be punished hard on this, she will never get the citizenship even after she gets punishment because noone likes such a sick mind as a member of society.
dawood
Sep 10, 2012 09:40am
Shame on you and newspaper for writing this article....You are running away to countries who are causing all the disturbance in your country...i think you should be exiled out of here
Sarosh
Sep 11, 2012 08:22pm
dear both ... we all need more literacy, india n paki ... dont put religion at it ... clergy business men r common in this geographic area in all religions ... they use itt for money ... get out of that cover of blames ... its time
razdan
Sep 11, 2012 10:14pm
by this posting ms mirza has joined the ranks of scum like salman rushdie,tasleema nasreen and ayan hirsi. probably mirza does not know the plight of women in India. 3000 foetuses of baby girls are aborted every year by mothers who do not want to have daughters. Widows are treated like lepers and males are perverts. prostitution is probably hthe highest in the world. mirza,stll want to come to india? ms mirza watch a programme called 'Savdhaan India' and also aameer khan's 'satyamev jayate' before u decide on India.
Shabut
Sep 11, 2012 06:03pm
Why the writer did not pick China or Iran for migration? Perhaps she wanted to have some controversy so she just picked the old rival India as usual.
Gulshan
Sep 11, 2012 05:45pm
@faisal You are brave and truly patriotic. People like you, will change the course Pakistan has taken since Zia Idealogy. May god bless you with long life and health. And god bless Pakistan with more and more people like you.
Ram Krishan Sharma
Sep 12, 2012 06:06am
Dear Devil : You have spoken the Truth and now I am one of your devotees.
Debraj
Sep 10, 2012 08:12pm
We have lived together under Hindu rule too. You guys think that history started only after the Muslims invaded this place and converted people to Islam. Before those dark ages, we did live together under Hindu rule when your ancestors were still Hindus. Its amazing how a whole country can live in denial!
manghirmalani
Sep 10, 2012 08:18am
Lady, You are talking rubbish, Pakistani Government is most unethical.Pakistan propagandists, in order to hide the shameful crimes of the Muslim League leaders, a part of whose programme it was to carve out a purely Muslim State and to eliminate religious minorities from it, have put forth a mischievous piece of propaganda that Sikhs (and by implication Hindus as well) left Pakistan by a design. Mat this ‘Design’ could have been passes ordinary human comprehension. The official Pakistan propaganda pamphlet contains this fantastic view: “Sikhs……… stayed behind in Lyallpur till after the Partition and then (were) deliberately evacuated by Sikh leaders to East Punjab without any apparent immediate cause, seems to point out to a revision of the ‘Plan’ necessitated by some unexpected sequence of events.” This remark contains several pieces of deliberate falsehoods and a lot of suppressio veri, besides mischievous suggestions. Let us analyse it here: Read more: http://www.unp.me/f15/did-hindus-sikhs-voluntarily-leave-pakistan-16804/#ixzz263LHV0DI
Shabut
Sep 11, 2012 05:53pm
Just like what America did in Iraq and Afghanistan? I'm sure people are living a joyous life in those countries after the British and American invasion, right? Get over with this defeating mentality and work towards making this country a better place.
Rakesh
Sep 10, 2012 08:11pm
And also because Pakistani Newspapers have more news about India than Indian Papers, except for The Hindu, which is a fabulous paper! :-)
Aimir Khan
Sep 12, 2012 03:35am
Assalam and good on you. She is after something else. I have been living in Australia for nearly 26 yrs with a respectable government job but still call Pakistan my home and love it. I am coming soon after 5 yrs to visit this beautiful country for a few months. Love it. Amir Ali Khan, Brisbane Australia.
dr vimal raina
Sep 12, 2012 07:04am
a cry in wilderness that a thousand people have responded too......et tu.
RAHEEL
Sep 11, 2012 11:01pm
why dream on? many pakistanis work hard in europe, UK, US etc and the obtain citizenship after a number of years....i think you misunderstood the context of my comment...
observer
Sep 12, 2012 05:47am
I would like to move to a place where security, economy, and opportunity are better than Pakistan. But I have no intention to ever migrate to India. I would choose troubles of Pakistan over tolerating India. This is the only thing I would tell PM Singh if I happen to talk to him. By the way, I have no desire of ever meeting him or speaking to him. I would rather meet a couple of top Pakistani government people and tell them what I think they must do to improve Pakistan.
suneel
Sep 11, 2012 05:30pm
India has accepted Muslims from Bangladesh, afganistan; buddhists from Tibet, Hindus from Srilanka....There is no such policy to favor one religion, although some people may feel sympathy based on the religion.... Sincerely, An Indian and a Human
Bablu
Sep 11, 2012 07:27pm
Where are the good people of Pakistan, unfortunately, they are not in Pakistan, "most of them" have left and they are probably never coming back to call it home again.
Garib Manus
Sep 11, 2012 05:38pm
Dear Ghost, It does not help to malign India. Yes, it is far from perfect; but how many Muslims or Christians or Sikhs have asked for an asylum? Our PM is a Sikh, Defense Minister is a Christian, and not long ago, our President was Dr. APJ Kalam. We are a proud SECULAR nation.
Kumar
Sep 10, 2012 08:07pm
So how do you think Pakistan will come out of current mess? If there is any change, it is only going bad to worse. It is easy to be emotional but one hast to be practical too.
Zalim Singh
Sep 12, 2012 02:48am
great article. look at the number of comments.
javed
Sep 11, 2012 05:29pm
seems like anyone can write an article for dawn nowadays. Hey dawn, if you can hire this worthless journalist..hire me. I have a degree from NYU, Masters and PHD from Mcgill. I will get your more attention with more controversial articles than Mrs. Mirza can ever dream of. Since it seems this is what your paper is starting to dwell on.
suneel
Sep 11, 2012 05:20pm
dont get mad. Try to understand motive of this article........
Muhammad
Sep 11, 2012 06:47pm
The write might have put some spices into the article - but this is true that Most of Pakistanis with reasonable worth are already migrating to either Canada, Australia, and other countries. I am one of them. The situation is not that BAD - but the environment has become unbearable and we Pakistanis are very Ambitious people. Many of us are moving to Middle East or else were but Pakistan. And I bet - if you open up Canadian or Australian Visa - most of the country would like to MOVE/migrate there. I once met an Indian Couple - who was flying back to India for his baby delivery - when I asked him why - he told me that he wish his kid to be INDIAN. I did the other way around - I flew from Pakistan to Canada to have Canadian Children. I wish my kids to have BLUE Passport - which they did.
Guru
Sep 11, 2012 07:23am
I have many friends who live in India of Pakistani birth, but because their grandparents were born in India were able to settle in India. A country that has a Hindu majority, but is led by a Italian catholic woman, has a Sikh PM, and muslim VP. For all it's woes, India still is a secular nation. As a Christian i can vouch for it.
Shankar
Sep 12, 2012 05:34am
Asad, A Pakistan in turmoil is really bad news for India. We Indians want a stable and prosperous Pakistan. If all that Faiza has written are lies as you say, good for Pakistan! Frankly Faiza is not the only one who has written about the problems in Pakistan today. I agree that no Pakistan Muslim will ever seek to move to India, I am sure Faiza herself won't. Pakistanis are too proud a people ever to do it. Don't let that sadden you! Every counry goes through bad times and Pakistan is in a little bad shape now. I am sure it will get out of it soon. Please protect the minorities a little better. The world has great trust and hopes on the people of Pakistan.
Ajay
Sep 10, 2012 09:40am
Faiza, Although I realize that this article is not really meant for Manmohan singh but your fellow countrymen, but still I am going to nitpick on a factual error. Laxmikanta Chawla is not member of Indian govt., she's from the oppostion party. But yes she's part of Punjab govt. which is ruled by opposition alliance. Also, Indian govt. granted asylum to Hindus coz they asked for it. I am not sure if people of other faiths also asked the asylum and they were refused. There were Sikh families from punjab and NWFP who asked for asylum and were given by India. Can you provide some data to substantiate the charge that India is refusing asylum to other faiths?
raqibwyne
Sep 11, 2012 06:47pm
suneel ji zarrah nawazi he aapki !
p kumar
Sep 10, 2012 08:15pm
'the real difference between the two countries........' is a remarkable observation
deepak
Sep 11, 2012 07:19pm
This guy needs to try his luck in laughter challenge. Every one should get a chance to laugh on you
Ahsan
Sep 11, 2012 07:20pm
MJKhan, you completely missed the point my friend!
raqibwyne
Sep 11, 2012 07:23pm
hahahah did they understand those perished women, kids, youth under thousands of megatons of bombs, who were flagged as afghan, Waziris civilians ? or under military rule in Kashmir with 800.000 indian troups ?
Imran - UAE
Sep 10, 2012 08:04pm
Javed Akhtar with his wife Shabana Azmi could not buy a house in Mumbai, india, coz he was muslim! Ms. Faiza you may try.
sanatana
Sep 10, 2012 09:26am
Look who is teaching India about secularism!
Neo
Sep 12, 2012 08:45am
zoya - thats a sensible and well thought out argument and i am pleased to see a common pakistani gal standing tall amongst all the other pakistanis around... i know what you talking about, when i've seen how pakistanis/bangladeshis have to hide their identities or rather call themselves indians.. opening indian restos.. for obvious reasons... its a hard fact to digest being a pakistani and takes lots of guts to admit... dear, i can feel the pain and love for your country and can surely tell you one thing, for people like you and faiza, i still see hope for pakistan... i see new horizons and new beginnings for your beloved country... if you have the courage to accept the wrongs and fight for the truth, there is no way you can be defeated....i pray to almighty with all my heart for you and your country.... stay put and keep fighting.
claude
Sep 12, 2012 07:38am
Dear Faiza, No independent poll agency could have doen better to measure level of plusieurs factors in Pakistani, as well as Indian, readers of dawn. Some that come to my mind are Despondency against extremism, Mutual acceptance in case of liberal visa regimes etc. This is also an excellent data base and can be a basis for a good thesis on sociological evolution too if a similar exercise can be run after a year or so. You may have to use similar statistical tools as for predicting election results from a small sample of voters.
raqibwyne
Sep 11, 2012 06:52pm
Gujarat is in india and Gujraat is in Pakistan, both are gojjars, but only one had Samjhota express, guess which one ?
dr vimal raina
Sep 12, 2012 06:23am
sir the grass on other side may not be green but we still have grass left. You have no grass left because you, as Bhutto advised you 'ate grass to make the bomb'.
SS
Sep 11, 2012 09:16pm
Again, sir, you do not posess the capability to hear the truth. Continue to keep your head in sand like many others in Pakistan, The Land Of The Pure...
syed
Sep 11, 2012 06:27pm
Great idea Mirza, but who in their right mind would want to re-unite with Pakistan? who would want to bring in the worst mess in the world to their home? who would want to cope with such extreme religiosity and closed minds!
RAVISHA
Sep 11, 2012 05:07pm
Habib, Muslim community is visionless, egoistic, non smart, brainless, & getting fucked up itself due to american strategy. It will soon perish because of its fundamentalism only.
Khan
Sep 10, 2012 12:44pm
What is the defination of democracy in pakistan.
G. Din
Sep 10, 2012 12:43pm
"Be the change you want to see"- Mahatma Gandhi
aakash
Sep 12, 2012 09:12am
good response shahid and dont reply to optimistic people like the two above, they actually don't like to understand the reality of issue.
Krish
Sep 12, 2012 09:20am
Mr.B, there are more Urdu speaking Muslims, and experts at that, in India than in Pakistan, today.
Omer
Sep 12, 2012 09:22am
You were getting personal Parveen Kumar coz my country is my family and you're writing things about it without any solid evidence just like your Gov which accuses Mumbai attack or any other tragedy to Pakistan without having any solid evidence to back that.
Bablu
Sep 11, 2012 09:01pm
If you are referring to the author's article, then I would say you are taking it too literally. She is not suggesting that everyone should move to India, in my humble opinion, she is trying to make a point that things are really bad and I believe when thing are at that level, a revolt of a revolution kind should be in the offing, however, that is not the case because we just like to suffer under the burden of poor governance. Again, where is the Pakistan Spring PEOPLE???
Mandar J
Sep 11, 2012 08:58pm
good try Imran... half information... every one knows truth... 19% population of Mumbai is Muslim... at some places some people can not buy home because of eating habits... major rich population where may be couple wanted to stay is vegetarian... (Jains)...
p kumar
Sep 12, 2012 07:25pm
in that case pakistan would have been ruled by indians including mauryans,guptas,palas and sikhs for a longer period.Porus and Dahir were pakistani
Debraj
Sep 10, 2012 07:58pm
"India lost the administrative control of their 17 states (provinces) in their east in their West the Punjab and Kashmir running an independence movement the south of India is in a mess of deprived marahaties where is the piece in India their court have confirmed the mass atrocities towards minorities majorly of Muslims." Dude, you have fallen to the false propaganda as well! I am from the east of India and all that you said is factually incorrect. All it does is gives you a false sense of happiness. "Pakistan is facing resistance from round the glob every single country is busy in offensive inelegance against this country and countries like India acting like hub of all such activities whole world is supporting India financially and politically and that is the only reason of India is surviving. " You really think that Pakistan is that important a country? I hope you come back to reality as soon as possible.
Anand
Sep 11, 2012 06:16pm
Great Idea. Now we can let the Jihadist bombings and discrimination of minorities begin in India. Thanks again for the sentiments of Bhai Bandhi. But No Thanks. Pakistani restaurants are NOT Indian restaurants despite what the signs say. And neither are the predispositions and intolerances of opposing viewpoints. I will bet you will not post my letter in proof of that. Prove me wrong.
Capt Victor
Sep 12, 2012 09:36am
Your comment clearly declares your mindset.
Debraj
Sep 10, 2012 08:21pm
We don't want Pakistan to merge with us. An infected appendix is best cut out and thrown away from one's body.
Varun
Sep 10, 2012 11:07am
please bring your land along with you
MAH, Abu Dhabi
Sep 12, 2012 05:14am
You speak only for yourself Faiza Mirza! We all grieve for the horrendous killings but that does not mean we loose our sense of balance and reality. You need to speak to some of the victims of Gujarat massacres and study how it had any affect on the Indian psyche ... actually none! In fact the person behind this bloodbath was reelected with even higher mandate!!!! The terrorists here are killing people who they don't know. In Gujarat, from first hand accounts, it was mostly neighbours and people living around for years and years with amicable, I am sure only superficially, relations. Who is more twisted, cold hearted and dangerous??? Get reality check lady!
riky
Sep 12, 2012 09:50am
no country- no pass- no religion -no problem.
p kumar
Sep 12, 2012 07:15pm
if your country is your family how come you said that it doesn't matter if 1% hindus go away.are pakistan's hindus not part of your country.in that case you should probably say only muslims are your family.the fact that they were stopped by interior minister was well reported in pakistani newspapers;it was not a statement from india.being personal is a sign of weakness.
emory
Sep 12, 2012 07:10pm
Imran- You just proved Godwin's law :-)
Tahir
Sep 10, 2012 09:34am
Nonsense lack of knowledge. don't have idea about ground realities. only to take benefit of the situation she is creating drama.
Halima J
Sep 10, 2012 09:28am
In the end, she says she is leaving the country "for safer pastures where my life will be valued and respected." I've been following Faiza's writings, and she HAS been branded as an infidel, anti-Islam and pro-India.
Himalaya
Sep 10, 2012 11:05am
Sister , you are welcome anytime!!! But as you have mentioned , "I saw a poster featuring Jinnah with a small line stating “Pakistan needs you”, definitely Pakistan needs more and more people like you and not hardliners like TTP.
pankajdehlavi
Sep 12, 2012 08:37am
Why you need to show your foreign degree to show your worthiness to be a journalist in Dawn ? Have you ever heard any Paki, showing best degree from a Paki madrasa to get a job in NY-Times.
Najam
Sep 11, 2012 08:32pm
Migrating to India will make difference ?
Feroz
Sep 12, 2012 07:20am
Dear Usman I am sure many feel that way but pride and ego prevent them from saying it. However even though an Indian let me assure you the India or for that matter no other country is a land of milk and honey. Every country has its own problems and people must work to overcome them. The most positive thing about India is that no one is waiting for any messiah or saviour to descend and save them, they strongly believe they have the ability and capacity to write their own destiny. My humble suggestion to my fellow brothers and sisters across the border is that do not pledge your future to others - Military, Politicians or Mullah's. You have to be the agents of change you want to see in your own country. If you are sincere and work positively for change, HE will make it happen.
Waqas Malik
Sep 10, 2012 12:45pm
Perhaps the writer of this article has previously resided overseas for a considerable period of time... hence, out of touch with the sentiments of the general pakistani populace. As she claims to be leaving Pakistan shortly for, "— a place where I can express myself freely without being threatened and flagged as a heretic", ...
Umesh
Sep 10, 2012 11:04am
It is a well documented fact that minorities in Pakistan are persecuted with the sanction from the state. International community, including India, should give immediate asylum to all minorities in Pakistan, not just Hindus. Members of the majority religion, who feel unsafe, are free to try to immigrate to other countries but can't be offered asylum because unfortunately they are part of the majority group which is persecuting the minorities with the sanction from the state. Their best bet is to change the state policies if their bid to immigrate to other countries fails.
Pankaj Patel(USA)
Sep 11, 2012 06:28pm
Faiza,Very provocative article.I hope some in Pakistan especially intelligentsia become proactive after this and do not let only Mullahs to be proactive and call shots.Written with good intent by an honest Pakistani loving loving her country.About granting asylum to Hindus it is because they ask for it.I believe Hindu,Sikh and Zoroastrian should be granted asylum because they have no where to go.Other religious minorities can be considered on case by case basis.Journalist should also be on the priority basis.India is home to many refugees Hindu/Sikh from Pakistan,Buddhists from Tibet and Myanmar Muslims and Hindus from Bangladesh,Tamils from Shrilanka.They all have become productive citizens and so will be Pakistanis.No hateful Mullah please.
VKT
Sep 11, 2012 11:37am
well said, although India is no paradise itself.
Rajiv
Sep 10, 2012 09:05pm
While I agree with "stop hating the country and start hating the crime" statement, I call total bullshit on the statement that millions in India want to leave India for any of its neighbors. Rao tries to put it "as a matter of fact", but that statement is total crass.
Hindu Brother
Sep 11, 2012 04:07pm
Honesty is Islam, Truth is Islam, Bravery is Islam You are all of that my dear... My best wishes to you and respect for the above qualities of a true muslim An Indian brother
Umer
Sep 10, 2012 01:12pm
Yes state does not interfere in anyones religious matter. Yet fails to provide protection when others do.
Indian
Sep 11, 2012 04:41pm
In a country where people like you and the Faiza lives will never have bad future.
Amarnath Reddy
Sep 11, 2012 04:40pm
You consider yourself student of international affairs...?? What a pity..!!
JKhan
Sep 11, 2012 04:39pm
What a sad reflection of immature and loser mentality with no sense of dignity in being who you are. I guess this mind set is quite prevalent in confused educated upper middle class youth who consider it as fashionable. It can be very well be a blog and some ones... I wonder how little you know and how narrow is your perspective about humans, societies and dignity.
Krishna Bhagawan (@KrishnaBhagawan)
Sep 10, 2012 01:11pm
IT is a backhanded way of saying india is a Hindu country.
Umer
Sep 10, 2012 01:16pm
Lol. Are you yourself welcomed in India ? Marzi ki perhai job security unemployement allowance if not on job 100% security 24 hours running water uninterrupted power supply No untouchables No muslim genocide Perhaps its isnt only the Pakistanis who Kid themselves :P
Zar Khan Wazir
Sep 11, 2012 12:59pm
i fully agree. Not in million years would I like to cross over the border. Speak for yourself madam!
john
Sep 11, 2012 12:59pm
Going to australia or britian or usa or canada is our birthright mate you will never understand it, you should ask youself why will those goverment accept us ,it is because they see somethink special in us than others , that special think, you will never understand or accept to know that you must be an INDIAN
Amol Choudhary
Sep 10, 2012 01:17pm
You guys always remain in a state of denial to accept that India is way too ahead of Pakistan.
Rajesh
Sep 11, 2012 08:29am
Wow Gaurav, that is the spirit
Faisal
Sep 11, 2012 03:32pm
Division is the fate of th Sub-continent my Friend. You saw it with Pakistan being carved out in 47. We saw it in 71 courtesy you guys making good use of the opportunity and the geographical dis-connect. So historically it's your turn again. Look inwards and you would know what I mean. Putting a secular blanket cannot subside the religious tint, now more visible in Indian rhetoric then ever. We have learnt our lesson the hard way. Your turn. Well done to the writer by the way. Do send a copy to the Paki PM as well :)
burhan
Sep 10, 2012 01:19pm
YOU HAVE YOURSELF REFLECTED ON THE CONDITION OF MINORITIES IN PAK
Iftekhar Mahmood
Sep 10, 2012 01:19pm
Yeah right...
Iftekhar Mahmood
Sep 10, 2012 01:25pm
Progressive India... quite an oxymoron...
Umer
Sep 10, 2012 01:25pm
true that.
BRR
Sep 10, 2012 01:26pm
"Our Minorities are living here peacefully than India...." really?? Just a few weeks back, I read the news of scores of pak hindus migrating to India...
Umer
Sep 10, 2012 01:26pm
Youth will strive for a better government ! Thats my solution for near future !
john
Sep 10, 2012 01:27pm
not to pakistani muslim mate they have taken there share and left, if they are broke,bad luck , doors are closed for them
Umer
Sep 10, 2012 01:28pm
Heads up. There is a lot to India beyond Bollywood and pretty faces like Manhmohan singh( no disrespect intened) and Sonia gandhi.
Saad
Sep 11, 2012 12:54pm
And you are such a patriot, that you ran away from this land of the pure, to a civilized place. Talk about hypocrisy!
Umer
Sep 10, 2012 01:29pm
Lol.. vijay's comment does show the true picture of so called "welcoming sentiments" of Indians !!!
Hanif Hunzai
Sep 11, 2012 12:53pm
very nice i like ur responce!
nabidad
Sep 10, 2012 01:30pm
I respect the furious emotion of the writer. And I am agreed with situation around the country. But to face the challenges that Pakistan is facing today, can’t we adopt a responsible way to address our grievances. I would prefer to die in my own country instead of begging safe hell in India.
john
Sep 10, 2012 01:31pm
no muslims pls
earthy
Sep 11, 2012 09:19am
we are just getting our people back who were left behind and lost during the partition.rest
RealistKhan
Sep 10, 2012 01:32pm
"Two or three isolated cases cannot put a stain on Pakistan’s credibility." Are you for real ? two or three isolated cases ? . This is the kind of madness which is killing pakistan , the people like you are not even willing to recognize the problems, first step is to identify and recognize the problems this country is facing and only then you can work to resolve them. Living in denial has'nt helped in last 60 years and would'nt in next 100 .
h.mani
Sep 10, 2012 01:33pm
It is a thought provoking heart felt cry at the situation in Pakistan.I'm a ex Indian and a unbiased ruthless critic of India.India has almost unsermountable misery,poverty and corruption and to top it all very unresponsive,incompetent government with not only weak,but also cowardly leadership,secular ,not in true sense.So there is not much any Pakistani can,say,I said it all. ,having said that,why India is still a country where one can trive?IIt has almost 4 trillion economy,a healthy middle class exist and they keep the engine moving in spite of all the handicaps/Why?You can not ignore that.Indians know they can not change any of that,& common people who want to progress,are mostly left alone,if there was not occasional terror,Indians would still do better,if China and Pak,at least act as not very hostile neighbor,and if there was not this mistrust(there is some real reasons for it,it is not my imagination),India should accommoate,all Ahmedaias,Christians,Shias and Hazaras,that is my opinion,beside Hindus,& as a good will gesture,Pakistan just say Thanks,for now Pakistan is all Sunni,so can truly say it is at last"Land of the Pure" I'm not fictitious,I mean it.Thanks.
Wali K. Niazi
Sep 11, 2012 12:50pm
Ms. Mirza : There is already a blogger on Dawn's staff goes by the name of NFP whose expertise lies in satirizing every thing that is slightly on the right of the centre, he is a PPP Jiyala & Zardari's diehard fan, he has a large following across the border, in India. Are you trying to compete with him ? No matter how you look at it, Dawn has done great disservice to our country by publishing your blog.
Leo
Sep 11, 2012 04:31pm
Dear Ms Mirza, India is only just a shade better. Here we have OBCs, casteist and regional politics doing the same things. Only difference is the Institutions and Economy here are more strong and deep rooted. Fortunately we did not go on to become a "Hindu" nation. After all if the benchmark is purity of religion then only way forward is to improve this more and more, which Pakistan is exactly doing now. It chose to be an "Ideal" Islamic nation and continues to become more and more purely Islamic! Certainly Pakistani forefathers must be a pleased lot. Still I wish some day India and Pakistan will come together again as we share not just culture but blood too. Pakistan is not even remotely Arabic which it attempts to be. May be we can start as a loose federation or am I just dreaming! I say Amen to that...
Umer
Sep 10, 2012 01:24pm
Lol highly qualified Pakistani Technocrats dont have these kind of problems defined by the author !
Rameez
Sep 10, 2012 01:23pm
Thanks Abbas!
Sreedhar
Sep 11, 2012 03:57pm
Wow, you really believe the rhetoric of Maoists. Must be one of those arm chair intellectuals enjoying all comforts of civilisation who want some ignorant people to wage war. I am no fan of our leaders (India), but to suggest some ignorant, innocent armed youth( leadership is old and dogmatic even with Maoists) can solve myriad problems by killing mostly people like themselves requires dishonesty you seem to be capable of. Don't simplify things that cannot be, to score points , that too in alien territory.
Shaan
Sep 11, 2012 12:57pm
Well we hope one day pakistan also prospers and we can live like CANADA/USA or New Zealand and Australia. We need people like you on both sides of the boder.
jonnyp
Sep 10, 2012 09:26am
yawn
Prathmesh Vyas
Sep 10, 2012 01:21pm
Dear Faiza, I am an Indian(hindu), and very well understands your pain, we also willing soft heart pakistan not talibani. May be Mr. sing can give you some reply, you have our support. With love and affection. Dr. Prathmesh Vyas
varuag
Sep 10, 2012 02:05pm
pretty sad. But the fact is emigration of the elite is an acceptance of defeat. It depletes the pool of sensible people still remaining. You have got to fight the battle ....................................................
MJR
Sep 10, 2012 01:20pm
Ms. Faiza the way you have written this letter shows the pain you are going through living in pakistan anyway you are welcome to India & i hope Mr. Singh listen to you people & grant the citezenship I am sure the rest of your life you will not go through that pain in India
Rao
Sep 11, 2012 04:29pm
According to a neutral poll, Two third (66%) in Indian Kashmir want independence and 10% want a complete merger with Pakistan. I think it is way more than 10% but even at 10%, it makes it millions of Indians who want to call Pakistan their homeland. Indian Occupied Kashmir's population is 12 Million. Reference: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gcAbKXtq1EYap_4XXh0-B1_zeLCg