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Who will be the next blasphemer?

-Illustration by Faraz Aamer Khan.

When Jinnah said that “religion and state should be kept separate”, he could not have more appropriately warned the people of present-day Pakistan where the constitutionally supported, man-made religious doctrines issued by fundamentalists continue, to ruin lives.

Persecution of religious minorities is not uncommon in Pakistan, however, year 2012 witnessed the height of injustices when a mentally unstable man was torched alive for alleged blasphemy and an 11-year-old girl suffering from Down Syndrome was arrested for alleged sacrilege.

Given the legal statuette and constitution of Pakistan, no one in his/her right mind would ever venture out to commit blasphemy publicly or otherwise which all the more proves that the aforementioned people were not in full possession of their faculties, when or even if they committed blasphemy.

Though President Asif Ali Zardari sought a report on the arrest of Rimsha, a minor girl, and took notice of the man killed by scavenging protestors — both accused of blasphemy — but no amount of investigation will ever bring back the man who died the most horrible of deaths. No amount of probing will secure Rimsha’s future. No amount of placatory words will reassure minorities that the blasphemy law will not be manoeuvred to hurt them in Pakistan. And no number of notices will ever empower minorities living an oppressed existence in our country.

There is only one solution to this ever-growing menace which lies in the amendment of the blasphemy law. Unfortunately most of our hopes were shattered when former Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani announced in 2011 that “the government has no plans of amending the blasphemy law.”

The fact that the crimes committed by a select group of religiously intolerant people fails to grab the attention of our honourable Chief Justice, who is known for his human rights activism, is most unfortunate for all of us.

It is also most disappointing that the current ruling government is fully able to pass a quick bill to support and protect political agents against Contempt of Court, however, fail to address the blatant violation of human and minorities’ rights.

Even more disappointing than the negligence of the government and judiciary is the apathy of the general masses, living in absolute denial with respect to the current state of affairs.

The fact that most of us try to justify the brutalities by asking why people focus on the plight of minorities when Shias are being killed with equal ferocity in Pakistan, is sheer bigotry. The question is how can one prioritise the killings of any human being? How are Christians, Hindus or Ahmadis any less important than Shias or vice versa? Shouldn’t the focus be on culminating this barbarism rather than debating with words that pacify no one anymore?

We all stayed quiet when scores of Shia Muslims were pulled off the bus and shot dead. We maintained the same calm when a day later, a bus carrying Shia students was attacked in Karachi. We were in hibernation when Salman Taseer was assassinated for voicing his views on the blasphemy law. We did not care when Ahmadis were restricted from offering Eid prayers at Ewan-e-Tauheed. And we continued to mince words when harassed Hindus migrated from Pakistan.

Yet, we congregated and protested greatly for the welfare and safety of Muslims living in Myanmar, Kashmir, Assam and Gujrat failing to realise that our country is in a state of civil war, where the situation drastically deteriorates with the passage of each day. We also protested publicly and demanded the authorities to penalise Rimsha by pushing her to the gallows. How are we, a mob that is so fervently bent on penalising a minor girl any different from the forces responsible for killing people in Myanmar and Gujrat? Why such hypocrisy? Do we not owe just a little bit more to our own minorities than the Muslims of other countries?

The Pakistani flag comprises two colours; one of them to specifically represent our minorities. However, looking at the reprehensible situation of the country, white should be replaced with black for the bleak future we offer to them as citizens of this state.

It is important to understand that all that happens around is not propaganda, a conspiracy or a plan conceived and executed by foreign elements. People, who hold an opinion over the deplorable situation are not anti-Islam or Pakistan in any way. In fact, they are equally, if not more, concerned about the well-being of Pakistan and everything that Jinnah stood for. It is people like us who are perpetrating these crimes by comparing the atrocities happening in Pakistan with scattered incidents of discrimination carried out against minorities in neighbouring and western countries in a futile hope to placate each other.

We must wake up from our deep slumber and realise that it is getting too late for all of us. There was a time when Christians, Parsis and Hindus were considered minorities. Then they were joined by Ahmadis and Shias. And no one knows who the next blasphemer or victim will be. However, the one, definite thing we should all be sure of is that with every incident of blasphemy in this country, it is the noose around our own necks that is tightening.

 


Faiza Mirza
The writer is a Reporter at Dawn.com


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saleem
Aug 27, 2012 06:55pm
Good Job Faiza, I hope and pray Pakistan wake up from this deep deep slumber, before it is too late. May Allah bless you for your courge. Allah kare zore zabaan aur ziada.
SJay
Aug 27, 2012 12:08pm
That is one logical and sensible reply Shankar. I wish others could have replied in the same way
Naeem
Aug 27, 2012 05:15pm
Rehan , so follow your code for yourself. And it is a persoanl relationship with you and Allah.But do not impose it on others. All citizens of Pakistan must be allowed to follow thier own religous codes with freedom. No more fuss about "hurting my sentiments" Stop using this as an excuse. The majority in the owlrd are non muslims. If they use the same excuse then where will you stand? The world has become like a global village. Move on to the 21st centuary and stop living in medevial ages.
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 09:58am
Secularism is a concept that a person's religion is his personal matter and that the state has no business in interfering with religion. The opposite is a theocratic state, the worst form of which in the recent times was the Taliban-ruled Afghanistan. Please tell me why you find a theocratic state which push religion down everyone's throat so endearing when compared to a secular state?
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 03:08am
Omair, Your Western masters are in Islamabad. Go get 'em, Tiger. I understand one of them is a British citizen. Your masters are the Landowners who cheat the farmers, rape and murder their daughters and send them to prison.
rehan
Aug 28, 2012 08:16am
India "annexed" Kashmir ? Gosh, all those atrocities in IHK must be "propaganda" too ..hahahaha
urawal
Aug 27, 2012 07:09am
Get the message boss ! Colour changing ....not changing is not the point in the post
smj
Aug 27, 2012 12:50pm
repealing the law would not do the magic. We have to ammend it so that the false accusers would be punished. They will think twice before alleging anyone to blasphemy.
Naeem
Aug 27, 2012 05:08pm
My dear Pakistani and I beleive that you are some sort of a Muslim. A real Muslim sentiments are not hurt because of what a minority does. Islam does not require you to defend it. Allah is the best defender of Islam. Dialogue with any minority is healthy. But only people who reallyunderstand SIalm can dialouge about Islam. Not your fantical Mullahs or uneducated so called Ulemas that I see on TV. Did you know that blashphmey law is a man made law? Why are your feelings so sensitive that it gets hurt so easilly.Does your feelings get hurt when you do not yoffer salaat? Does your feeling gets hurt when you do not offer Zakat? Does your feeling get hurt when you do not observe fasting? Do your feelings get hurt when you mistreat the poor and those who cannot defend themselves like the minorities in Pakistan? Well, let me tell you Allah's feelings get hurt when you do not do the above things. Do you care about his feelings or just your artifical brainwahed mullah induced feelings? Abolishment of this law is the only answer. Or a Muslims should also be covered by such laws when he abuses any minority- Ahmadies, Shias, Christains, Jews, Hindus. Why do you think you should get away with these things? The world has toppe caring about Muslims sentiments becuase the Muslims do notcare about the sentiments of anyone else!!!
Gamerwamer
Aug 28, 2012 06:51am
Anti Pakistan remarks? Hahahaha She is pointing out the truth. Speaking the truth in Pakistan is obviously blasphemy and punishable, eh?
abdul khan
Sep 04, 2012 05:28am
Nobody talks ill about any religion ......it is these incidents that defame any religion .... Good deeds make the religion famous ......hence it is our responsibility to condemn such incidents so that they get attributed to the people and not to the religion .....in the current situation ....imagine a minor girl suffering from Down syndrome who is around 11 years getting falsely charged to death sentence under blasphemy law ......Had those witnesses not come forward and the little girl was hanged to death .....who is to be blamed the religion or the religious system .....is this what GOD really wants ......it is time we start rationally thinking ....
Karachi Wala
Aug 28, 2012 01:40pm
@Sriram, your statement has all the marits.
Vineeth
Aug 28, 2012 06:44am
I do not see the need for 'volumes' of tolerance if a person was just allowed to speak against crimes perpetrated by people in the name of religion. She has not criticized the religion as such anywhere. In India there are many writers and activists (most of them atheists or people belonging to other faiths) like Kancha Ilaiah who have been openly questioning and criticizing the basic tenets of the Hindu faith for a very long time and have never been prosecuted for it. I guess that would be a better example of 'volumes' of tolerance than this.
Sriram
Aug 28, 2012 06:47am
Please. India is not perfect, but Muslims in India are a lot more empowered and enfranchised to determine their destiny as part of India than the minorities in Pakistan are. Haven't you seen enough Indian Muslims state that in the Dawn's forums? A simple proof is that the percentage of Muslims in India has increased tremendously since 1947 - can you name the percentage of at least one minority sect that has increased in the land of the pure?
Himanshu
Aug 27, 2012 12:53pm
You people don't understand, do you? These conspiracy theories of yours will eventually become the reason for your and your ilk's end. And trust me, it is near!!!
Pradeep
Aug 27, 2012 03:23pm
Author has written against blasphemy law and it has nothing against Pakistan but if you feel blasphemy law is Pakistan than I pity you.
Zafar Malik
Aug 27, 2012 04:02pm
excellent job Faiza. It is very essential to amend the constitution of Pakistan to change it from a theocracy to a modren state, but then the real big challange is to change the mind of the masses. Unless common people are enlightened, there can be no real change. That is where media and educational institutions have to a play a major role.
MG
Aug 27, 2012 05:11pm
Misguided as they may be - you are entitled to your opinions, as is the author. This is at the very crux of the issue - intolerance.
Whatever...
Aug 28, 2012 07:18am
Oh my ! I'm doomed........ my bad luck. I failed to fit the great golden standard of being human in the sight of none other than The Great Her Majesty "Nishi" Baji ! what a loss !
El Cid
Aug 28, 2012 07:08am
@hwg:
MG
Aug 27, 2012 05:10pm
The law needs to go away - it serves no real purpose, other than giving weak minds to inject misplaced rage and un-Islamic behavior in society . There can be no amendment within discrimination - it is an illogical and preposterous notion. It is a shame that more "Muslim" Pakistanis are not standing up against this Draconian law. Who can blame the masses when they too will be dragged into the streets and beaten to death for having an opinion. I cannot believe that this, now, is my Pakistan.
kdspirited
Aug 27, 2012 07:57pm
What people like you dont understand out of your deplorable ignorance is that these are not anti-Pakistan remarks. These are wake up calls for people like you who think everyone else including Faiza is to blame for where Pakistan is today.
Omair
Aug 28, 2012 07:16am
Agreed
Feroz
Aug 28, 2012 07:18am
Dear Naeem,all of india will support our brothers across the border in their collective effort to bring Peace, Happiness and Prosperity. We will also help morally, financially and if necessary with logistic support the aspiration for freedom from bondage - cultural, religious or ideological. No Indian wants an inch of any neighbors territory, now or ever. We will never give refuge to criminals or terrorists who spill blood of our Pakistani and Afghan brothers(they have been our neighbors and brothers for centuries and we fell for their current plight). Do not fear and be happy, wish well for others too.
Majority
Aug 28, 2012 07:14am
Well said Imran. Pointing at others is the easiest than cleaning your own back yard "liberal"
Zafari Syed
Aug 27, 2012 06:14pm
Absence of a Blasphemy Law would not have changed the fate of the man killed by the mob, and without this law, other too would have met the same fate. The need is to make the law stronger and have an equally harsh punishment for those who wrongly accuse a person, which will be in true spirit of Islam. The only precondition is that the police and the investigators should do their job properly and expeditiously. Comparing such isolated incidents with mass murders of the level taking place in Myanmar is nevertheless ridiculous to say the least.
Erfan Ahmed
Aug 27, 2012 04:04pm
Syed Sahib, Do you not realize that we are heading towards a cliff and if we continue on this path, our end is near. How can we claim to love our country and not it's inhabitants? How can we claim to love God, but not His creation? Please ponder and reflect. This law needs to be repealed at once and we need to protect each other irrespective of cast or religion. There should be no minorities. Period. Good work Faiza Mirza. Keep it up. Ashamed Pakistani.
Ziyad
Aug 28, 2012 11:55am
Your beloved Taliban have probably killed more than 35,000......mostly innocents. But I guess in your eyes that is okay because the US has killed more!
Sradhanand Mauritius
Aug 27, 2012 03:22pm
True journalists care only for truth,she is a true journalist of whom pakistanis should be proud as she has been writing about the dangers ahead if the present state of affairs continue
MG
Aug 27, 2012 05:12pm
Excellent.
Shankar
Aug 28, 2012 06:34am
dk, please, please keep your identity under cover. I am mortally scared of apostasy laws in Islam!
Feroz
Aug 28, 2012 08:22am
Shakoor, you are absolutely right that India was one of the few countries to have affirmative action in the form of quotas since 1947. However minorities (Muslims, sikhs, Christians, Parsis) have risen and occupied offices of President, Speaker, Chief Justice of SC, Chief election comissioner, Chief of Armed Forces and Chief Ministers based solely on their merits, not based on any quota. This is absolutely essential if all sections of people have to feel ownership for their country.
Majority
Aug 28, 2012 07:01am
Freedom of speech and speaking out for the weak is one of the fundamental rights and biggest virtues in Islam. Faiza, do not folly with fools who would rather point to another wrong to justify the wrong happening in their homes. Keep writing and showing US the real mirror, only then is there hope that out of the millions, perhaps thousands would mend their thoughts. May God Bless you and give you strength
brightonrodeo
Aug 28, 2012 06:34am
I agree and support the idea of changing white into black color in Pakistan flag which depict the shameless faces of those who use blasphemous law to settle persons scores.
Afzal
Aug 30, 2012 12:56am
Once again. good point. thanks
Ahora
Aug 28, 2012 06:33am
Why don't you convert, become a Christian, Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist and then you will learn.
Faiza Mirza
Aug 28, 2012 06:30am
Thank you. Really appreciate it.
wajib jihad
Aug 28, 2012 06:30am
Majority of sunnis are appalled by what's happening but dare not speak up against the few. Majority of Arabs were appalled by what Yazid was doing but dared not speak up against the few. Majority of Germans were appalled by what Hitler was doing but dared not speak up. The list goes on. Now you see why Islam has put such a strong emphasis on Jihad? Take up arms against tyranny, if you dare not fight than speak out against it, if you dare not speak out then show with your eyes, but never submit. It is not easy. But it wajib!
Vasu
Aug 27, 2012 06:57pm
Seems to you know a lot about indian minorities! Only god can save you from ignorance.
saleem
Aug 27, 2012 06:59pm
Zafari, What world you are living. Two wrongs does not make it right. This draconian law is sowrd in the hand of fanatics and they ae using it blindly. This law is balck mark on the face of ISLAM and more so on humanity.
voyager
Aug 27, 2012 06:59pm
These 'isolated' incidents are apparently happening with great regularity Mr Zafari!
voyager
Aug 27, 2012 07:08pm
So you think that these killing machines who are routinely setting new records of barbarity were created out of thin air? without patronage and training and without regular help and support from somewhere?
Paki
Aug 28, 2012 05:07am
"like"
Khan
Aug 27, 2012 07:31pm
Why don't these ignorant Mullahs and people stand up and fight against every corrupt politician, beurocrate, Generals, Judges when they are are voilating every law of Islam. People who misuse this law shall be severly punished
Zimbo_Indian
Aug 28, 2012 04:36pm
Rehan saheb, as soon as the Mullahs stop doing things that encourage minorities to seek visas to escape religious persecution, and as soon as they can free their thoughts from protecting their daughters from abductions, they will start playing a role in the affairs of Pakistan. Please look at India and you will be amazed to see how the Hindu majority country is being literally run by minorities in the highest positions of govt and society. I will not insult your intelligence by quoting examples but would still like to humbly remind you that in India the PM, Super PM, Vice President, Defence Minister, Army Chief and Air Force Chief are ALL non-Hindus. Some of the biggest industrial tycoons (Tata, Azim Premji, Godrej, etc) are Parsi / Muslim. Bollywood is all Muslim. How do Muslims manage to prosper in India. Why don't they want to migrate to some Islamic country? Please introspect, Rehan bhaijan.
rehan
Aug 28, 2012 08:13am
That's so true, I don't think we need any conspiracy theories . The Secularists are doing a great job than any external enemy could possible do ! .... And I was so blind to the fact that there is no such thing as US Drones ...all that is propaganda too... I am sure a Secular Pakistan would take care of all issues ranging from terrorism to hunger once we address the "menace" of Islam and succeed in proving it as the root of all evil ... keep it up Secularists !! :-D
El Cid
Aug 28, 2012 05:21am
Good observation. You will be even more successful getting published in Dawn if you let your imagination run, make up provocative poisonous unsubstantiated articles about Pakistan, Jinnah, Muhammad, Qur'an, and Allah. If you can't write your own stuff than you 'cut and paste' hate inspired statements and ideas from the plethora of well funded Islamophobic web sites on the I'net. Most of those foreign web-site do allow a modicum of referenced rebuttals, but Dawn systematically and selectively censors them out while allowing falsehood, lies, and truth stand unchallenged. Even photos are lifted and labeled to project dubious made-up stuff. Wise sages through the ages have advised that: Do not cut the branch you nest on. Do not soil where you live and eat. Do not burn your neighbor down lest the fire you lit eventually consumes your home. And everyone knows what happens to traitors like MirSadiq and MirJaffer in the end.
Sriram
Aug 28, 2012 06:52am
Tahira, good point about restarting the education of such people. But perhaps even that should not be done in Pakistan, since the education system there is quite poisoned with intolerance and bigotry now. I say this with sadness, not a sense of superiority - I know India has enough problems of its own.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 03:31am
Harvey, They are not here to learn. They are hear to teach.
Majority
Aug 28, 2012 07:11am
@El Cid you wrote".......Do not burn your neighbor down lest the fire you lit eventually consumes your home" Well take some time and think over what you wrote!!!! This is exactly what you are doing. In your "over-sentimental" and "blind" misdirected patriotism and religious fervor you are trying to propagate and support hypocracy. Only because you do not acknowledge the evil facts within us, will not make those evils go away or the crimes any less gruesome. And we literally burn and set alight our neighbors not knowing that along with the body of the Christian, Hindu, Shia, Qadiani etc. burns out soul too. Also you wrote ".......Dawn systematically and selectively censors them out while allowing falsehood, lies, and truth stand unchallenged. Even photos are lifted and labeled to project dubious made-up stuff. " Well then stop reading Dawn! Go and spend time on the Jihadi sites for "enlightenment". I am sure you will find plenty of food for thought there. I rest my case!
Vineeth
Aug 28, 2012 06:59am
Differing opinion or criticizing the majority view is treason? I hear the same from my Indian friends when I remark that India committed a mistake in annexing Kashmir. I guess 'patriots' are the same everywhere. ;-)
Faiz
Aug 28, 2012 07:20pm
Is'nt unity of human beings better than unity of Muslims. We Muslims are already united against all non-muslims, (non-Sunnis). We are united against rationality, equality , progress, tolerance, science and all forms of human decency. Congratulations !
Zakir Hussain
Aug 27, 2012 10:16am
Please also include Zakir Naik Gamewarner
Shakoor Ahmed
Aug 27, 2012 08:11am
Lubna, did you say minorities in USA have no quotas? They along with our neighbour were the first ones to have affirmative action and quotas respectively. That is why they have a Black President and our neighbour had a muslim president. Kindly get your facts right before responding to a very commendable coloumn.
Michael
Aug 27, 2012 04:30pm
Touching article. As a minority member I feel proud of my Muslim friends, none of whom agrees with theis barbaric episode. and not only Minorities suffer under this law... If the Law exists to bring about justice... how can be such a law still stands that only imparts injustice? the true committment of Pakistan to Justice will never be measured by wether the Military rule or not... but by the Human Rights respected or not. And seen what we see today in the country, one truly longs for times gone by...
a pakiman
Aug 27, 2012 05:09pm
What a joke,this article intellectally corrupt ,usually it's just Pakistani who are morally corrupt in this case the author has single handedly accomplished both , seems to me people are making progress ...but just in the wrong direction....way to go girlfriend.....
pak
Aug 27, 2012 05:01pm
Hats off Miss.Mirza
Cyrus Howell
Aug 28, 2012 09:12pm
The number is 850,000 Muslims killed by drones. 500,000 drones are being manufactured in order to hit Karachi within the year to kill Osama bin Laden who is not really dead.
Mukesh
Aug 28, 2012 09:51am
Pakistan is part of me and will always remain. who can forget his own birth place and where one has spent 22 years of his life. Having said that, I will be munafiq to say that I would like to live in Pakistan in its current situation. Whatever the reason of Pakistan being in its current state (and there are thousand of reasons probably starting back from 1947 and death of Quad-e-Azam), the fact is that for an ordinary person like me, it has become a no go area.
Aku
Aug 28, 2012 06:46pm
I am not sure what you are trying to say, or if it is even relevant to the discussion.
Naeem
Aug 27, 2012 04:59pm
Rashid Sahib, how long will we be scared of these religous fanatics? I do not care about them any more. I am not afraid of them . I abuse them openly and in public. I am tired of them. They have crossed all limits of human decency. These animals must be criticised at every corner of the street and should be shunned!!!!
Naeem
Aug 27, 2012 04:55pm
"They" are any tyranny which can be oin power. In Pakisatn, "they" are the religous fanatics including all Mullahgs, Talibans, fanatical religous organizations and a the governmemnt that appeases them!
VKD
Aug 27, 2012 08:12am
thats the true face of Pakistan - you cannot close the eyes and think that everything is going well in the great state of pakistan
Komal S
Aug 27, 2012 08:40am
Do you understand why Blasphemy laws have no place in any country. Let me give you an example burning a bible in the USA has the same impact as burning a Koran in the eyes of the laws of the land. The state does not differentiate these two acts. Public reactions could be different but State does not differentiate. If you understand this, you will know why People criticize the Blasphemy laws.
Laeeq,NY
Aug 27, 2012 03:29pm
Anti Blasphemy laws were made keeping Ahmadyys at the bay. Either they renounce their beliefs, or put to a a constant torture. No body knew that these will become barb in th throat for every one regardless a muslim or non Muslim. Repelling them or amendment will be as hard as negating the concept of Pakistan. Only way to make them more practicle is to put burden of proof on the accuser and if it is found false or unfounded, the person whould face the death penalty. Other wise there will be no end to use it indiscriminately againt the insane and sane peoples.
Aryan
Aug 29, 2012 10:38am
Dont care to kow about the Uighurs in China? Or China being a stronger alley (big brother) is exempt from all muslim killing? They barred muslims from going to mosuqes or praying in office this Ramzan I heard. When I was in Malaysia, some muslim Uighurs had come running to Malaysia to save themselves from Chinese persecution (Malaysia being an 'Islamic Republic'). But the harsh reality was, the Malaysian government let them stay at a place and immediately handed them over to Chinese intelligence/security personnel. They were never to be heard of again, and I hear there were old, kids, women among them including a pregnant women. Did sensation-seeking 3-page dailies/ friday sermon mullah / saviours of Islam in other form inform you about that? I guess not. It is only convenient to be anti-India, anti-Israel and anti-America for them.
G. Thind
Aug 28, 2012 06:42am
It
Sarwat Shahid
Aug 28, 2012 12:36pm
Yeah why Afia Siddiqui? How is she more a Pakistani than any of the people who were mentioned in this article? Just because she is in American custody? You need to set your priorities straight. Your comment reeks of discrimination.
Pramod
Aug 27, 2012 11:50am
@Abdullah What If a Muslim want to convert to some other faith. Your statement will be same?
Chandrakanth
Aug 27, 2012 07:10pm
This whole attitude of 'punishment' for everything and never of 'forgiveness' is what is ruining Pakistan and muslims. If you want to turn your country's fortunes seek and practice forgiveness, tolerance and self sacrifice....and not killing others for 'their mistake' or you just dont like them
Bahadin
Aug 28, 2012 06:29am
You have the support of millions. Keep on writing
Vasu
Aug 27, 2012 06:48pm
Well said!
Rizwanul Huda
Aug 27, 2012 06:58pm
Thanks for bringing the truth so boldly. You have been very bold and realistic in bringing the injustice being caused by our own society in the name of Islam. These people are from our society who is distorting the image of the whole society and giving further bad image to Islam. These incident simply shows that there is no tolerance limit in our society. There is no respect for humanity at all. Further I feel sad to see the Pakistani society slowly drifting from moderate to extremist. No one is ready to analyze the real situation. The only and the simple answer for each incident is to blame the foreign element.
saj
Aug 27, 2012 07:35pm
Are you for real ? disagreeing with a law that is being blatantley abused to persecute minoroties is anti pakistan ? Criticism can be constructive arguing against a law no sane person wants is pro pakistan not anti
AS
Aug 28, 2012 04:19pm
being in minority, we hear different blasphemous things about our religion everyday... and we prefer to stay quite then to start up a fight or do horrible things.
Vasu
Aug 27, 2012 06:53pm
Well said! I guess he is worried about the remaining 3% impurity! I wonder what these guys think of life before islam came into existence! I mean were there no principle or morals in life at all? What happened to those who lived in era of Ashoka, alexander the great etc?
rehan
Aug 28, 2012 08:15am
Ah well, a lot of the people here can't digest the fact that Pakistan even exists ...welcome to the club !!! :-)
Faiza Mirza
Aug 28, 2012 06:18am
El Cid I really appreciate your interest in my articles. However, I must reiterate that I am in no way trying to besmirch Pakistan. I only demand a society in which rights are mutually accepted and respected. Nothing more nothing less. Although I personally dislike the word minority and would rather replace it with something along the lines of
harvey
Aug 28, 2012 06:15am
Bravo, you hit the nail right on the head but unfortunately pakistanis will never understand.
Feroz
Aug 28, 2012 06:10am
Brother, even though I am a minority Indian I can enlighten you a little. To be a Hindu you do not have to go through any ceremonies, purification etc, merely saying I am Hindu is quite enough. There are no rules, no codes and no compulsion for anything. Hindutva is a way of life which accepts that God is everywhere in every form of nature, no need to go searching for him. Which is why one can have a hundred, million or billion Gods, however many you can think of. In Hindutva the Soul is a timeless creature fully responsible for all actions, basically fate will catch up with you often called Karma. Those Humans living a dogs life today are paying for their sins in previous lives, those who are prospering in spite of their criminal ways will pay if not now quite heavily in their future lives. Got it ?
El Cid
Aug 28, 2012 06:08am
@Hamid Ali:You must realize that Ms Faiza Mirza is a minority. Through her articles she is generating hate. She is shooting her poison darts repeatedly--ad nauseam...exploiting the tragedies of the other minorities
Salman
Aug 28, 2012 06:04am
You should be punished for being a traitor.
Kabir
Aug 27, 2012 07:32am
The current incidents force me to state that "Pakistan is very much blasphemous state".
Vineeth
Aug 28, 2012 05:51am
In India there are numerous people like Kancha Ilaiah who have repeatedly spoken and published books criticizing the tenets of the Hindu religion. He has never been prosecuted or jailed for this, as people do not believe he has violated any law in doing so. Compare this to the blasphemy law in Pakistan.
Omair
Aug 28, 2012 05:51am
35,000 are not killed in drone attacks. Mostly are killed by the Extremists groups like your beloved Taliban.
El Cid
Aug 29, 2012 09:41pm
Ms Mirza: If that is indeed your true sentiment, not hypocritical wiles, than I suggest you visit and investigate the genocidal industrial slaughter of innocent little ones, women, and the elderly by Pakistani mercenaries and their ZioNazi Crusader Over-lords. Here is the last heart rending poem of one such beautiful gentle innocent soul...once a great life force surged through her veins
rehan
Aug 28, 2012 05:34am
So...where are "priests with divine mission" that are ruling this country ?? Why is the Secular-brigade so worried that religion will become the governing factor in ruling the State ? .... And what about *majority* by the way, what about the 350,000 or so Muslims that have been killed by US drones ? What do the enlightened Secularists have to say about that? Whatever happened to *their* rights and privileges ? And finally , what roles are minorities playing in the "affairs of Pakistan" ?
J
Aug 28, 2012 05:33am
agree ! if minorities have nothing to do except blasphemy , creating troubles in this hard times , so there future is dark by their own doings ~~ !
prank
Aug 28, 2012 05:32am
There is no blasphemy law in India and Muslim have equal right to speak !! There are lot many Muslim in position of power and they all know what is correct thing to do !! If man is always thinking about his own action he will make less mistake hence author is right when she is doing introspection !!
hassan
Aug 28, 2012 05:32am
the writer in spot on. You, like the 'common man', just failed realize the hypocrisy in the nation and the need to make the 'common man' aware of the problems.
Vineeth
Aug 28, 2012 05:29am
"Have we seen Any Indian raising or trying to bend their laws for some muslim to give them security in their society"- Indian constitution and laws (except personal laws) are secular. It applies equally to people of all faiths. If any religious group feels they are being discriminated or victimized, they protest in public and turn to the law to get justice. And that is what they usually do. I do not think any Indian Muslim or Indian Christian entertain thoughts of leaving India due to perceived discriminiation, simply because they know that the law is impartial even in case the administration is not. I believe that is not the case in Pakistan where the constitution and laws explicitly favor Islam over other religious groups, leaving the minorities with no choice but to suffer in relative silence.
bkt
Aug 28, 2012 11:31am
The white in the Pakistani flag represents the colour of mourning, the green represents the Punjabi state. Everyone else is a minority and at the recieving end
Chaman
Aug 28, 2012 11:39am
How intolerant a comment dear Salman. It sounds like a threat. What Wajib is saying is totally true. History is full of such examples. The silent majorities have always been subjugated by a fanatic few. That is exactly what is happening in Pakistan today. Majority of the people are peace loving and civilized. It is the fanatic few who who are spoiling the name of the religion and the country and slowing the path of progress.
Sohrab
Aug 28, 2012 03:38am
The people and press are always so eager to pull down the government for all its failures. The president knows he cannot do much but at least he is making an attempt. The late governor Taseer was courageous to lay his life. Where are the champtions of fairplay Sharifs and Khan on this and where is the custodian of justice in Pakistan, Ifthikhar Chaudhray on all this. If they do not support these causes they should be bold enough to fess up, so that the minorities in Pakistan know their worth in this blighted intolerant country called Pakistan.
Sage
Aug 28, 2012 11:45am
Lol. You are intolerant.
Omair
Aug 28, 2012 05:46am
I am not a common man. I am among the few people in this country who reads dawn. Majority of the country can't read or those who can read usually don't read or read local language papers.
KayT
Aug 27, 2012 09:18am
"Religion does not matter. " you said that very easiliy!..
Fahim
Aug 28, 2012 03:24am
Any law which is inherently liable to be abused is no law at all. The primary purpose of the Dictator Zia Ul Haque in promulgating this so called law was to impress us of how great a Muslim he was and to quel dissent. Due to this so called law it is not possible to study Islam, as any student worthy of the name will tell you a student learns by asking questions. As long as this so called law is in place there will be no development in our understanding of our faith and we will remain oppressed by the narrow understanding of a few so called Thekedars of Islam.
Bobby Srinivas
Aug 28, 2012 01:32am
Admire Faiza Mirza's courage! Reminded of an old adage: They are slaves who dare not be in the right with two or three.
AHMAD
Aug 28, 2012 04:56am
1946 Lahore British India. A speech given at Muslim League meeting in Lahore.
imran
Aug 28, 2012 04:56am
are u kidding me? if you cant treat the minorities & other sects like shias fairly then dont expect other countires to do the same to muslims. Its not the question of one against hundreds. let the courts decide & police investigate all blasphamy cases . No way should people take law in their hands.
Yawar
Aug 28, 2012 02:25am
Why does the government not take take action against the mob participants and their instigators. If in case a terrorist is lynched anywhere in Pakistan (which will probably never happen) I am sure the government's response will be swift and immediate.
Shaib786
Aug 28, 2012 04:59am
What
Syed
Sep 01, 2012 02:39am
Your pain feeling is very selective miss faiza
jtar
Aug 28, 2012 01:06am
Statements like this, multiplied by 100,000,000 or more is the very definition of Pakistan's problem.
Syed
Aug 31, 2012 04:29am
Secularism is the worst religion of all.those claiming to be secular are intact follow some other religion in their lives
Umesh
Aug 28, 2012 01:01am
Muslims have exactly done that to Hindus/Buddhists in the past - they have burned their books and destroyed the temples! I am sorry that this history was not taught to you. For a believer, God exists independent of books and buildings. Even if all books are burned and all places of worship demolished, it doesn't kill the true religion because the true religion is a personal search of each human to seek God. Only the ignorant ones equate god to books or buildings.
Vineeth
Aug 28, 2012 01:28pm
Sorry, I beg to differ. I do not think there is any concrete evidence to prove that any (or all) of the religions are of divine origin, except in the beliefs of their respective followers. I do agree that many religious systems (though not all) have the belief of a future savior or avatar who will come to restore the balance in the world. Jews await the Messiah, Christians and Muslims believe in the second-coming of Jesus, Hindus have Kalki, Buddhists have Maitreya. But to assume that they all refer to the same person is a kind of over-stretch. In fact, I think this belief in such a savior is merely the product of the human desire and hope for a perfect future, as he finds the present imperfect and trouble-prone.
Faraz
Aug 27, 2012 07:10am
Another example of living in absolute denial! Secular Pakistan does not mean an anti-Islamic Pakistan but a more equal Pakistan. I don't know why people mistake the word secular/liberal for anti-Islamic and anti-Pakistan.
Lubna
Aug 27, 2012 07:11am
The minorities in Pakistan are far better than any other country in SAARC countries yet the English papers keep lying about minorities.they even have quotas of seats in assemblies which even USA dlesnot have.As afar as killings they are for all general public related to bad law and order and corruption so everybody is equally is suffering but to point out only minorities is dishonest intact pakistan has only two percent minorities as opposed to India which have 20 percent but look at the plight of minorities in India where they cannot even get govt jobs and butchered. Many times in recent past in huge numbers but nobody talk about that but keep on pakistani bashing.sad miss mirza you lie with authority
lfahfn
Sep 02, 2012 08:02am
Well reading all of the above, it seems that many are missing the point which is that we pakistani's are taking the real charge against those that are blowing and killing our Pakistani's by saying Allah O Akbar before they set themself up. It is really scary that we are blaming others when we ourselves are to be blamed when we allowed Islam to be hijacked by the Half Mullahs in the 80's and early 90's. It is our fault that we have allowed these people the power to decide who is a Muslim. Surely we cry and jump up and down when others kill us else where, we should first put our Home in order before we look around. Love For All Hatred For None.
Syed
Sep 01, 2012 02:29am
So miss faiza fatalities is not related to human life or when you say fatalities you mean mice fatalities.the numbers of human life loss is a bearing on news and definitely. Draw attention,if one human life is lost is grave then thousands of life is even graverr andthat is why ethnic cleansing is not equal to singler murder.I hope you understand now
anshu
Aug 27, 2012 09:36pm
@Fazal 1. I am not saying India is the best place on earth but Minorities in India do have significant standing. The problem with today's Muslims is that they see mass muslim killings everywhere; to them only they are righteous and no body else. 2. If individual incidents are so many in pakistan and you guys can achieve the number of deaths that you have just as a regular course of society; I am thankful to the great pakistani society for not taking up organized killing yet. You guys will surpass any number of genocides in human history. Good job. 3. If current laws are correct; why is a muslim offending Bible not a blasphemy? This shows a very sick mentality of the Pakistani mentality; any body who is not a muslim is a lesser human being. And sadly most Pakistanis believe it. Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
roquefort
Aug 27, 2012 12:46pm
I totally agree with your views/I strongly believe that I am a human first and then anything else and I am also anti extreme patriotism and hero worshipping.I am for a secular state.
Fazal
Aug 27, 2012 05:47pm
For your info the Hindus did not migrate but we're going for pilgrimage to India.sad that you write things without confirming.furthermore though nobody is supporting the wrongdoing of few because of illiteracy but in no way govt or pakistani public in general is committing these atrocities as opposed to the killings of muslims in burma,Assam,Gujrat,Palestine,Kashmir are all state sponsored and in India general public is also involved.It gives impression that you don't have any soft corner for mass muslim killings as opposed to individual incidents in Pakistan.treat killings of all humans equally.lastly with any law in Pakistan is not bad but the machinery to implement. Is corrupt.so blame the machinery not the law.there are so many laws which fail to get implemented because of corruption so donor choose only blasphemy law due to your inner bias against Islam.in fact it is the old colonial penal system which is the cause of it which provides protection to the offenders therefore change the system to simple and effective and expedient implementation of laws if you are not biased
khayam
Aug 27, 2012 12:45pm
Totally agree with u Bro....
shan
Aug 27, 2012 06:05pm
Why is it that we have come to a state when it seems as if the Muslim world has an inferiority complex all these laws preventing " non Muslims " from practicing and preaching their faith and to top it all off the blasphemy law. Quite honestly the Human being has taken matters that belong to Allah into his own hand. Who are we to dictate who is Kafir who are we to give punishments of death to anyone who is accused of blasphemy. As a matter of fact based in the Pakistani Blasphemy law if you say you are Muslim or " act" to be one you are committing Blasphemy. The fact that Pakistan dictates who is Muslim and who is not is enough to hold them accountable for the gravest of Sins and that is Shirk. These Mullas and Politicians think they are God and prove their point by introducing and using these laws. If you think Pakistan is not paying the price for the sins of its leaders you are blind. If you are loyal to Pakistan and want a better Pakistan than get up and fight against these ridiculous laws and get rid of leaders who have made Pakistan anything but Pak.
Krish
Aug 27, 2012 12:35pm
If one holds a referendum of the Muslim population in Gujarat, one will find that the Muslims of Gujarat are far better off and happier than their co-religionists in other parts of India, let alone in Pakistan, today. Just last year, the brilliant Ghulam Muhammad Vastanvi had to relinquish his post as the Vice-Chancellor of the Deoband Seminary, for suggesting that the Muslims in Gujarat were generally a happy lot. And very recently, Mr. Shahid Siddique, editor of the Urdu weekly Nai Duniya, faced tremendous flak for interviewing Mr. Modi, and providing space for justifying his leadership. Let one thing be clear: In India, one's religion has never been a consideration for either economic betterment or holding an office, and that's guaranteed by the Constitution.
za@yahoo.com
Aug 27, 2012 10:09am
well said!
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:17am
First , I have not taken it as a literal meaning : I have said the suggestion is too much , even mataphorically...which means I realise the suggestion has not been made literally. Secondly , what is "wrong" with the country is our intolerance towards religion itself. Instead of developing inter-faith and intra-faith harmony , we simply want to separate religion and matters of the state in the name of "Secularism".
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 10:07am
Replace the blasphemy law with a law that prohibits insult of 'any' religion, the punishment if convicted must be a monetary fine and/or small jail term. That is how the civilized world handle such 'crimes'.
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:55am
Ditch religion ...that's so........ secular ....hahaha
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:55am
And that is Secularism , i guess....absolute disregard for religion
Sanjiv
Aug 27, 2012 08:25am
Very wise comment. Secularism is about tolerating the right of others to their beliefs, whether you like or agree with the beliefs or not.
Surendran
Aug 27, 2012 08:26am
For a reader to say minorities are safe in Pakistan probably means he/she is not living in Pakistan or in a fool's world. WAKE UP IF YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY
Maqboolfida (@Maqboolfida)
Aug 27, 2012 09:53am
Awsome comment!
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 10:02am
Exactly. The almighty God does not need human protection to survive. If that child has done a crime, it was only against God and let God decide her fate.
sajjad
Aug 27, 2012 09:37am
I think the concerns raised by the writer are quite logical and it goes beyond saying that lives of minorities are becoming difficult day by day, but some people while making comments had unnecessarily raised a debate of secularism and religion. Has my indian friends forgot the mass murders committed by allies of BJP in Gujrat. The problem with Pakistan is unfortunately that ruling classes particularly military led establishment has exploited the masses in the name of Islam in order to justify their hold on power. They created killing machines like Taliban and also Talibani mind set which is the root cause of all problems. Talibanism has nothing to do with Islam and it is just a ploy to discredit Islam. Similary blesphemy laws seems to be written without any proper thought purpose. It is in the annals of history that when a blesphemy movement was initiated by Christians in Muslim Spain, they were given proper chance to repent and they were set free, if they deny involvement in such activities. However here people are being targeted just on criticizing blasphemy law and the murderer is being treated like hero. May Allah save us from scourge of terrorism and extremism.
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:22am
You are at the wrong forum , Lubna . People here strongly believe that Pakistan is one of the leaders in human rights abuse, minority right abuse , terrorism and God knows what else!!!!
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:44am
Like it or not*
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:42am
What does English have to do with being literate ? Or do you mean to say how the relatively upper class can have a soft spot for religion ?
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:40am
Secular countries are *away* from religion ?? That's such a diametrically opposite statement as compared to the claims of "Secular zealots" that claim Secularism is not against religion at all !
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 02:57pm
Pakistan and Pakistanis are at the receiving end from Pakistan supported terrorist groups. Daily bomb blasts, ethnic cleansing etc. And it is getting enough publicity. Yet people like Hafeez Saeed roam the streets free calling for more terror
minority
Aug 27, 2012 01:16pm
@ Syed Jafri you wrote "....but she should have the moral courtesy and responsibility ..." What is with our "moral courtesy" as a nation when in OUR country people are killed and annihilated for looking and believing different?? Where is our "responsibility" as Muslims when in our name as the citizens of Pakistan murderers like that imbecile Malik Mumtaz Qadri are celebrated like heroes? Jafri saheb, no offense but such words are good also for self reflection.
Zen
Aug 27, 2012 11:39am
Yes, but on grounds of nationalism, not religious practice. Jinnah advocated that muslims in the sub-continent belonged to a different nationality and culture than that of India. Pakistan was created for muslims, not for Islam. The practicing of the muslim culture was to be societal and individual, not political. Unfortunately, Pakistanis have lost their traditional muslim culture because the fundamentalists are wannabe-arabs.
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 01:06pm
As long as one thinks that it is religion which should decide the laws, extremism is just a step away. Forget about other religions, the new question will be whose version of the particular religion is correct. In medieval Europe when religious laws were rampant, Catholics and Protestants massacred each other in the name of Christ. Now Islam in Pakistan is going through the same phase. Believe me, this was the only logical conclusion possible for such a theocracy. Pakistan would do well to take Turkey as a role model, not Saudi Arabia
Khalid
Aug 29, 2012 12:00pm
How ignorant is this comment. How ignorant....but this is the attitude that is taking Pakistan towards disaster
Krish
Aug 27, 2012 01:17pm
You done get it!!! Faiza is not seeking publicity nor making anti-Pakistani remarks. In this deeply sensitive column, she is appealing to your conscience. Is it missing???
Cyrus Howell
Aug 28, 2012 09:18pm
Jinnah met the Muslim League when it was being formed by Cambridge University students when he was a lawyer in London. He was giving his input from the beginning. They had everything thought out. Getting people to agree is another story.
rahul
Aug 27, 2012 12:59pm
your country is doomed. Poor Jinnah I feel sad for that upright, secular fellow
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 01:14pm
And by the way, in case it dispels your misplaced notions of secularism a little, 65 years of secular laws has not reduced the religiosity of Indians even a tiny bit. They flock to temples, mosques, churches and gurudwaras with undiminished vigour. But they have learned to consider religion as a personal matter and not something which needs to be bragged about every now and then as if to prove their piety.
sb
Aug 27, 2012 03:09pm
Can you please enlighten us on facts about when Pakistan and Pakistanis were at the receiving end? As far as I can tell, she is writing about Shias and other minorities in Pakistan and their troubles. These people who she is writing about *are* in fact Pakistanis. They may be Shias or Christians or Hindoos, but they're still Pakistanis and she is writing about their plight. At what point will you finally admit that what's happening in Pakistan to the minorities is abnormal?
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 09:59am
Ditto for India in terms of what Rehan? Blasphemy Laws? That is the point of debate here, is it not? No 11 year old is going to get arrested in India for blasphemy.
allaisa
Aug 27, 2012 02:54pm
Atleast she is writing these socalled anti Pakistani articles in Pakistani papers. Look at the number of Indians who write ant-Indian articles in Dawn. When compared to the Indians who read dawn and so are exposed to these articles the number of Pakistanis who read anti-Indian articles is many times greater.
cosmo kramer
Aug 27, 2012 02:55pm
dear ms. faiza, i agree with you fully, but if you write such article then there is a chance that some fanatic mullah will kill issue a fatwa calling for your head!! thank you
A. J. K
Aug 27, 2012 09:30am
First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
Salman
Aug 27, 2012 04:24pm
Writer is a Hindu supporter.
Abduallah
Aug 27, 2012 10:14am
the girl you referring to as converted, upholded her claim to remain muslim in the highest court. Cant people convert to the faiths of their choice?
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 10:12am
The problem as I understand it is not with the 'implementation' of the law, it is with the discriminatory 'law' itself. When you enforce exclusivist and discriminatory laws on others, you cannot demand inclusivism from them.
Abduallah
Aug 27, 2012 10:12am
what you fail to understand is that we are declared Islamic State where as US is not a christian state, I would ask your comments once the US is converted to a pure Christian state. and Us being an Islamic state requires the law to protect not only Islam but other religious institutions too.
Karachi Wala
Aug 27, 2012 03:30pm
@Dev even though it is very difficult to correct the distorted history which is being painted on both sides of the border. One has to remember today all powerful Mullah element is the progeny of same mullah groups who were against the creating of Pakistan as in their mind the whole India should have been under the umbrella of their code of Islamic interpretation. As for the creation of Pakistan on religious ground one has to revisit the history with clear and open mind. Let me try to enlighten you and those who think Pakistan was created on the basis of religion. In reality Pakistan was created to protect Economic interests of Indian Muslims. Yes, it was due to these very Mullahs
Fazal
Aug 27, 2012 06:01pm
All bloggers and the writer donor know what blasphemy law is and about but keep on writing and commenting.this is real ignorance
Raj
Aug 27, 2012 03:51pm
@Syed Jafri - Your comment resembles the classic Pakistani divide and how one section of the country totally disowns the other and in a way is in a process of gradual fragmentation. When the author points to sufferings in her article she is not speaking about Indians here, the people who are suffering are Pakistani themselves. If you think that blasphemy is only affecting "non-Pakistanis"( from your point of view these are non Muslims like Hindus, Christians etc) then the article raises the plight of Muslims many of whom are treated badly as they belong to a minority Muslim sect in your country. And this is the same phenomena which is highlighted by your comment where you consider yourself as Pakistani but no longer them.
Komal S
Aug 27, 2012 08:47am
Why don't you ponder for a few minutes why Pakistan has 2% minorities from it's 20%+ at independence. And in India how Muslims have grown from 10% to 15%+ since Independence.
Dev
Aug 27, 2012 09:48am
The one statement by Mr Jinnah makes me laugh --
virat
Aug 27, 2012 12:56pm
I don't understand what you are saying. Anyways, even Jinnah would not have believed what he said about keeping religion out of politics. Mixing religion with politics was his bread and butter. Didn't it ?
Akhter Husain
Aug 27, 2012 03:47pm
Every religion and all prophets came to teach and preach oneness of God and one common code of conduct,for living in this world.This is probably the time when our laws and its practice should be in conformity with international communities,otherwise we will get isolated and others will also start making such laws,even worst..I do not know if any one was ever punished when prophet was alive nor during khulafa-e-rashedeen's periods.Or else we should stop all kind of trade and business and refuse to take aid,,loan and donations from people living in those countries.CAN we do it?
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 08:41am
That is so simple. Yet amazing how many people do not get it. How can the Almighty be insulted by an 11 year old girl who was created by Him/Her?
Saad
Aug 27, 2012 03:41pm
I have never seen any of your article on what is happening to muslims all over the world??? Palestine, Lebanon, Burma to mention but a few
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 08:40am
Yeah. I am sure Indian readers like me will be happy to encourage her to migrate. Please some one take Jawed Naqwi and Aakar Patel away from India.
dk
Aug 29, 2012 02:18am
You are prejudiced and hateful. I bet you left India for Canada when you were in your 30's and broke. You are probably still broke in Canada and exploring the welfare system, just like million from your shining country.
Rashid Sultan
Aug 27, 2012 08:32am
Faiza, a piece of fatherly advice: Emigrate to India and be safe, healthy and happily. And freely practise your faith. Burn any amount of whatever literature you wish although it won't be necessary as there is an ample supply of cooking gas. If you carry on this way, I am afriad the mad mullahs and their followers will get you and the silent majority Pakistanis, courts, the police and the army will be mere spectators. The media will just print another column. I hope it won't be an obituary of a caring journalist.
Imran
Aug 27, 2012 07:21am
I fail to understand why people like this writer and many others prefer to write only on topics like minorities rights, blasphemy law etc etc and do not refrain from crossing any limits. I fear their objectives are not actually raising the issues in order to attract authorities/public attention to resolve them but to portray a negative image of Pakistan and Muslims! ***The problem in Pakistan is general implementation of law and not specific to any law like blasphemy! This should be understood and when one raises voice, he/she should raise it on the same. ***No law in the world guarantees a perfect implementation. It is the sincere effort of the people to implement it in the way expected.
Mohammed
Aug 28, 2012 10:26am
Just one of the many reasons why Pakistani's (Sunni and Shia) mobilise and protest when Muslims' are persecuted abroad (in the examples the author mentions) as oppose to domestic attacks on minorities. It is the severity and the sheer numbers of people who are being killed/displaced in these cases. Gujarat up to 1500 dead with police complicity as the state government looked on. Myanmar an entire community of 900,000 is denied citizenship and faces savage repression. Kashmir draws strong emotions because many Pakistani's (including the large Kashmiri community) consider it be the unfinished business of independence in which the people have been denied their right to self determination and up to 70,000 have been killed. Note also the recent discovery of mass graves. The attacks on minorities in Pakistan must be condemned and we should not loose sight of this in the midst of other issues. However there is no comparison between the above mentioned issues and the cases Faiza highlights in terms of severity and the sheer numbers killed/displaced.
Raj
Aug 27, 2012 04:01pm
BTW who are they???
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 12:26pm
The suggestion is good...but I'd rather read more about Islam in itself instead of wasting time on all those " -isms" . It's not Islam's fault if there is too much intolerance in our society ; I think it's our lack on interest in understanding Islam that had let to so many sectarian conflicts and hence letting a lot of " -isms" take root ...
aditya
Aug 29, 2012 02:33pm
i shed a tear for those people.. i m gonna cry BUCKETS for ALL u lunatics in pakistan
saleem
Aug 27, 2012 03:59pm
If we want to save Pakistan. This blasphamy law have to go. Either you have Pakistan or this dark age law. They cnnot exist together, beacuse it is creating a mind set fanaticism and bread a atmosphere of hatered not among differnet faiths but also fans the hatred between different sect of Islam. Each sect claim they are the only Muslims and and al others are kafir. This law have to go to save Pakistan.
kiran
Aug 27, 2012 11:57am
> How are we, a mob that is so fervently bent on penalising a minor girl any different from the forces responsible for killing people in Myanmar and Gujrat? No, you are worse. Sad but this is how the rest of the world looks at Pakistan.
Aryan
Aug 29, 2012 10:23am
Yes, as the comments in reply to you, the laws are targeted to 'all religions' are never implemented into practise against minorities. And these laws have nothing to do with pakistan. Have you copied their good humanitarian laws? No. If any other country has a blasphemy law, how does is prove to be hurdle in Pakistan's way to remove their own blasphemy law?? Funny logic. If you think your country is 'great' and people are 'enlightened'; or at least wish to be proud of your country and people in future; your should concentrate more on improving YOUR laws and not pointing at other's laws. 'glasshouse' logic is funny if you have some people criticizing you at home. the auhtor and most of the commentators are Pakistani. whom you gona throw stone at? own house?
Aku
Aug 28, 2012 06:56pm
I am not sure how this author and many others are trying to link lawlessness in the country with a law. Regardless if the law on blasphemy law is good or bad, it is the lack of respect to law that we suffer in the country. And who would respect the law in a country where it's leaders are above the law. Nobody is safe here.... Even the majority
PeopleInGlassHouses
Aug 27, 2012 03:50pm
The following "secular" democratic liberal counties have blasphemy laws: India:Central Government Act Section 295A in The Indian Penal Code, 1860 295A. shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to 8[ three years], or with fine, or with both.As of 2012 this law has been used over 18 times officially. Greece:Articles 198, 199, and 201 of the Greek Penal Code Germany:Article 166 of the Strafgesetzbuch penal law. Finland: section 10 of chapter 17 of the Criminal Code. Denmark:Paragraph 140 of the penal code. Canada:section 296(1) of the Criminal Code. Australia: half jurisdictions have blasphemy laws,other half abolished it. Brazil: Art. 208 of the penal code Austria: Section 188 and 189 of the penal code. Bangladesh: Under Section 295A of Bangladesh's Penal Code (1860)
Nasir khan
Aug 29, 2012 04:26pm
The fact that the crimes committed by a select group of religiously intolerant people fails to grab the attention of our honourable Chief Justice, who is known for his human rights activism, is most unfortunate for all of us. It is also most disappointing that the current ruling government is fully able to pass a quick bill to support and protect political agents against Contempt of Court, however, fail to address the blatant violation of human and minorities
Raj
Aug 27, 2012 03:58pm
Do you know how many muslims were killed in Gujarat in 2001 ??? And how many hidus killed in that riots ??? Google it and you will find the answer. Not only muslims were killed also scores of hindus were also killed in that riots. After 2001 there wasn't any riots in Gujarat and Muslim of Gujarat are progressing towards prosperity under same BJP government. In Pakistan, everyday minorities are being killed whether they are shia, ahmedia aur hindu, christian.
Imran
Aug 27, 2012 05:55pm
The overzealous righteous campain to uphold "islam" ,which i never understood, was largly instigated by "educated middle/upper class" against Ahamadis. Now the fire is spread to Derbar, mosques, churches....its gotten so bad now tht down syndrom child is a fair game...i dont know wht law will reverse, repealing blashpmy law wont be enough it will long and hard struggle to restore evryones right including minorties bt repealing the savage law is a good start!!!
Ashfaq
Aug 27, 2012 01:55pm
Syed Jafri -- It takes courage to look into the mirror and accept how disgusting and despicable our face looks - This is the image others see of ours. Grow up - The first thing to correct or improve is to know our faults and not to lie to ourselves.
Aryan
Aug 29, 2012 09:40am
Well, the main issue is 'stability' i guess. Even the government might want to implement positive reforms in the long run, or even a military rule would aim the same. But when they feel insecurity (political instability), they concentrate more on filling their own pockets before they are outsted. Also, they try to keep their power by hook or crook. And these 'hook and crooks' are usually hate mongerers like Mullahs who have hold on 'aam public'. Even people have properly of flocking under the flag of hatred easily than the flag of love. 'I support ' will get less 'likes' or followers than the flag stating 'I hate America/Israel/India'. It is human nature which politicians try to exploit to keep themselves in power. I believe if there is more political stability, there would be much better governance and reforms. Today government doesn't have time to listen to downridden people and free media and positive elite because they are busy making their agendas for keeping themselves in power. Maybe government needs some 'time to breathe' before we see any positive light in the country.
kumar
Aug 27, 2012 01:55pm
Do you know where the south asian muslims came from. If hindus had practiced the same blasphemy laws, Islam would now be confined to Europe and Middle-east only Entire asia would be hindu/buddhist, a much saner thought!
WER
Aug 27, 2012 07:24am
A typical NONSENSICAL reply that has completely skipped over the actual content of the article and is focusing blankly and squarely on a metaphor taking it as a literal meaning. You represent very well what's wrong with the country
pakistani
Aug 27, 2012 07:26am
we read mostly articles about criticism over blasphemy law, but i did'nt see any article addressing alternative solution for this law, because being neutral individual we have numerals doubts regarding such issues, despite these persons who are not mentally well, if any minority attack on muslims sentiments what should be the solution of such incidents? . If muslims burn the religious scriptures as well temples of hindu, christian, sikhs, budhmat and jews or bash their religious leaders/ prophets, how they will react over such crimes? please write not only about particular incidents but gives us the alternative solution of these incidents, because these articles are source of awareness for common people , reading and thinking over different ways may fix the doubts of many individuals. thanks for your concern.
Chaman
Aug 27, 2012 01:13pm
Diversity of opinions is healthy. It does not matter wher they come from. There are lots of people including Pakistan who think about the human issues without limiting themselves to geographic borders. The issue covered deserves soul searching all of us. It is sad trend which affects all of us whether it happens in Pakistan or elsewhere. We should not forget that what goes around comes around. We will all be beter off if we live as civilized human beings and respect the wishes of others to live lives according to their faiths and beliefs. I would like to request all readers and commentators to focus on issues raised in the forum and not indulge in verbal wars with blinders on. May God grant us the wisdom and will to live with each other in peace and harmony. After all if we truly believe in the notion of one God, then we are all his children and thus related as brothers and sisters to each other.
KayT
Aug 27, 2012 09:20am
Because.. islam separates infidels!
Whatever...
Aug 27, 2012 09:27am
Lets pray that these instances should not prompt government of Pakistan to consider amending or removing the blasphemy law from the constitution. Blasphemy law should not be amended at all. Period.
Biplob.
Aug 27, 2012 10:19am
We should follow our religion and respect other religions. Otherwise Pakistan will be separated into several parts as earlier.
Naeem
Aug 27, 2012 04:53pm
Krish, I have to agree with you to a large extent. Some Hindus may not wish Muslsims well and vice versa but it is clear that the consititution of India gauarantees equality for all of its citizens. Unfortunately this is not the case with the constitution of Pakistan. e have one law for Muslims and another for non Muslims. There are amny people like me who will keep fighting this and amke sure that commonsense prevails. Victory in Pakistan will be achieved when we can elect a government which will have the guts to eliminae all religous bigotory out of the constitution of Pakistan and abolish the blashphemy law.
Vijay
Aug 27, 2012 07:12am
Two countries were born from the same blood group:- India and Pakistan. India remains secular, Pakistan chose the alternative. If we measure the level of happiness and progress, threre is no confusion which one is better. Tolerant secularism or the alternative. New issues would come up, blashempy, shias, Khadianis, Ahmedis, Hindus, Pathans, Balochis and so on and on and on. There would never be an end. Today, hypothetically, if the borders are open and restrictions withdrawn, there would be a mass exodus from Pakistan and Bangladesh to India. No one from India would cross broders. That proves, that secularism only shall remain victorious in the end. the peaceful secular Buddhists of Gandhar were well known for the educational and cultural advancement. The same people are known as Afganis today. Changing the religion changed everything. From an adored and lvoed lot to the most despised people, from peace loving to to peace craving. It is time to wake up.
MG
Aug 27, 2012 04:51pm
Hear, hear.
Sure Kant
Aug 27, 2012 02:05pm
People lke Syed Jafri are THE curse on Pakistan. For them, talking the truth means, being anti-Pakistan. What is anti-Pakistan here? It is a human issue. Of course, the "pious" Muslim that you are, you will never understand that Allah's commandments through the Prophet were for all humanity, not just Muslims alone. Just imagine, with what face will you stand before Allah after shooting the messengers rather than criticising the killers...
Nadia
Aug 30, 2012 04:30am
I live in Canada. I saw two children playing both were muslim, I asked one of them,who r u? He replied Indian. I asked the other one who r u? He replied Muslim ( he was from Pakistan). As Pakistani's do we teach our children to be less patriotic and more religious ? Which should come first Patriotism or Religion?
Shankar
Aug 27, 2012 11:29am
Faiza, thanks. As long as people like you exist, there is hope!
Akhter Husain
Aug 27, 2012 02:12pm
There are many countries in this world where invaders almost completely wiped out the locals.Do you not know those countries? They have completely occupied those continents.
kiwi/paki
Aug 27, 2012 12:34pm
Dear Ameen would you please explain how secularism is leading humanity to destruction and that what is your definition of secularism.
ROHIT PANDEY
Aug 27, 2012 02:16pm
I will not give up Javed Naqvi for a million dollars...his hilarity is what makes India incredible!
Pramod
Aug 27, 2012 11:28am
Sahi bol Rahe ho Abdullah. Jab Minorities me ho to country should be secular and Muslim should have all the right . When in Majority, declare it a Islamic state and do what ever you want. Law is made by people only and it shows that how much respect you have for minority faiths.
areluctantpakistani
Aug 27, 2012 01:25pm
Dear Ameen, Its a common thought that an Islamic ideology will serve to unite the people but even a very limited study of our history will show that this is a fallacy. Indeed all our divisions today are religion based trumping all other divides. Perhaps it may not be too bad an idea to try a different tack. That secularism (which by the way does not mean anti-religion, as your comment seems to indicate) thing seems to have worked for a lot of other countries, should we not try it out?
@Ishtiaq,
Aug 29, 2012 01:13pm
Exactly my sentiments! Anybody who even thinks of separation from Pakistan, is the true enemy. Why cant we love our nation, handle issues of growth, investments and progress than supporting some doctrine of twisted evil men whom failed to understand what Prophet Muhammed saw stood for? You dont see jews killing each other, they may be diverse but they all love their country. You can learn from all nations of the world. First the love of watan and then Muslim or ethnic identity. It should make each of us unique with endless ressources. But instead ppl cling to their comfort zone and ignore the brutalities around them. I know it can cost my life for going against the crowd but I won't accept cruelty. It's basic belief if mine to stand against evil in any shape or form. It's the newer jihad of current era. Unlike many, I do debate upon giving references but trust me even then most are few steps from loosing it.
El Cid
Aug 28, 2012 09:23am
@Majority:
Deepak K
Aug 28, 2012 08:59am
A thief is a thief. It does not matter if you steal an elephant or a pin!
ROHIT PANDEY
Aug 27, 2012 02:19pm
Take care and be careful:)
Nishi
Aug 27, 2012 10:59am
You are such an ignorant person living thing, not calling you human since you don't fit the standard.
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 11:00am
I can see that human rights to you are secondary. The same humans who God lovingly created. You think you are preserving God's honour by bringing in blasphemy laws? You actually pull down His stature for you think He can be offended by mere mortals. Blasphemy exists for religious leaders to stay in business and for the elite to use it to instill fear in and to rule the masses. Wake up. Wake up.
Shankar
Aug 27, 2012 11:03am
I am in no way justifying what happened in Gujarat, a blot on India. I wonder what the people in Pakistan would have done if a train-bogey load of Muslims were burnt alive by the infidels. I am sure Pakistanis would have let the law take its course and got on with their lives peacefully.
Shankar
Aug 28, 2012 09:57am
Ameen, you seem to represent everything that is reasonable, sensible and tolerant about Islam. I also believe a society without the concept of God will become unruly and exploitative. That there is an almighty who knows everything that you do both openly and covertly and you will be answerable to Him is almost common to most great religions of the world. That in a just society people should not hurt the sentiments and beliefs of others is also a universally accepted principles. I fully agree with you. I am told Qoran says killing one innocent man is like destroying the whole of mankind. I still think blasphemy laws, the way they are abused in Pakistan, need to be corrected. Regards.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 28, 2012 09:33pm
Fortunately the laboring classes have an answer for everything. Now they have the Koran in fine print. If you have the right license anything is permitted. If you do not agree they will send all enemies of God to Hell... "but their money, property and daughters say here with us."
Cyrus Howell
Aug 28, 2012 09:06pm
Sharecroppers cannot send their children to school. They have to work on the land to help the family survive. In an economic depression rural children cannot attend school even if it is free.
Ziyad
Aug 28, 2012 11:52am
Going by your logic, one wonders why Pakistanis are so quiet on Syria? Perhaps the number of people killed so far are not enough to illicit a response from our masses or perhaps the fact that a lot of the people killed are Shias?
Sandip
Aug 27, 2012 12:39pm
May be she should be put to gallows under blasphemy law? What do you think Syed?
Shankar
Aug 29, 2012 04:13pm
Ziyad, I thought Syria is a Sunni majority country being ruled by a Shia ruling party. The uprising is more by the Sunnis against the Shia regime. Am I wrong?
Aryan
Aug 29, 2012 09:15am
Well, Hinduism has hundreds and thousands of sects, which each would equal to a full-time religion elsewhere in the world. Feroz is right in his perspective and you are right in yours. Note that in India sikhs, buddhists, jains and athiests are also considered Hindus; apart from sects like shaiv, vaishnav, dwait, adwait, vishishtadwait, arya samaj etc. It is good to see Feroz has a good insight about some Hindu thoughts too. Yes, cast system is bad but now you can find the actual differences only in some rural areas. It started as 'job-classification' and took it's negative course afterwards. The condition of dalits is not very promising in some rural interiors, but in cities they have many state sponsored facilities. Even the today's new society division - politicians, bureaucrats, corporate class, and common man; might become a similar caste system in centuries to come. The political systems got mingled with religion, and exactly that lead to destruction and defamation of a good religion (with things like caste system) and society in ancient India. So Jinnah was correct when he said state and religion should remain separate. Even when we see the involvement of church in social hierarchy, we see the bad face of Christian religion when church majorly ruled people. Now west is much better and secular because to western values. Definitely the incorporation of religion with constitution/law/state (started after Mr. Jinnah, and amplified by Zia-ul-Haq) is what leading to problems in Pakistan. Even Advani had praised Mr. Jinnah for his insight.
Nishi
Aug 27, 2012 10:54am
Very well said ..
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 10:55am
Talibanism has nothing to do with Islam? It is a ploy? Who joins the Taliban? Non Muslims? Then one can claim that America had nothing to do with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 10:56am
God does not care about this triviality.
yusuf khan
Aug 27, 2012 01:01pm
This letter is one more denial attempt by a Pakistani. when the very base of Islam is truth then how can you stop Fauzia in telling that truth which you never want to listen. In this civilised world the persons like Syed Jafri has put Pakistan to such an international blasphemy that it will need hundreds of years to retain a prestigious place in the world.
Naeem
Aug 27, 2012 04:36pm
Why do you think this is an anti Pakistani article? Do you wish to keep your head burried in a sand dune and pretend that the problem does not exist? It is people like you who give both Pakistan and Islam a bad name. People like you who support religous bigotory, man made laws, declaring people non muslims, etc. I love Pakistan more than you and therefore I want Pakistan to bel cleansed of all bigots, religous fanatcis who bomb our amry bases, kill civillians,uneducated Mullahs who brainwash uneducated people like you, and has made Pakistan a cartoon state .This is an excellent article by the author highlighting our problems.
Zimbo_Indian
Aug 28, 2012 04:47pm
Dear Majority bhai, please accept my felicitations for the such a wonderful piece of writing. It reflects the situation so clearly and also demonstrates your deep and non-partisan understanding of the situation in Pakistan. Your ability to see beyond the battle cries and into the souls of the unfortunate fanatics brings out clearly the good human being in you. If there are more like you in Pakistan, nobody will have anything to worry about.
Zimbo_Indian
Aug 27, 2012 04:41pm
I have a basic doubt. Why was the blasphemy law created in the first place? Does Islam need to be protected from poor illiterate kafirs? And that too with the help of man made laws? Muslims of the world (particularly Pakistan) better find yourself a stronger God. I have already found the strongest God -- His name is "Humanity".
Mukesh
Aug 28, 2012 09:53am
Shaib: Let's start with you. What positive thing has happened in Pakistan for last two weeks. If there is any, we will be glad to know and cherish it. Please just share one such news.....
minority
Aug 27, 2012 01:20pm
They say if you have nothing better to say than do not say anything. Life is more than "Pakistani hating Indians"! I rest my case!
Gerry D'Cunha
Aug 27, 2012 11:08am
Imran, you say this because you and your family are not effected - be in the shoes of someone who is effected and the one who fears everyday the sword hanging above his head.
Avinaash
Aug 27, 2012 11:09am
Religion does not matter as we all belongs to the same specie called Homo Sapien Sapien. All other divisions are manmade.
Shankar
Aug 27, 2012 11:09am
Why stop with blasphemous actions, why not punish blasphemous thoughts as well? The omni-present God would be just as offended by blasphemous thoughts as He is of blashphemous acts.
Pradeep
Aug 27, 2012 11:10am
Only people with death wish will try those acts and I don
raj
Aug 27, 2012 11:11am
good answer....and very satirical . but i seriously want to know abt how this law works legally
raj
Aug 27, 2012 01:04pm
the article is NOT anti-pakistani. Infact, she is highlighting the dark & bitter truth which is bringing negative image of pakistan in the eyes of world. you simple can not hang a 11 year innocent girl in the name of religion. I don't think this type of law exists anywhere else in our modern world
thepakistani
Aug 28, 2012 10:32pm
Dont REDEFINE THE FLAG OF PAKISTAN YOU SELF RIGHTOUS FOOL....I can call you but a lot better names...stick to the topic
Tarun
Aug 27, 2012 02:30pm
before being IndiN or Pakistani lets learn to be humans.Any law that demeans humanity cannt be right
Akhter Husain
Aug 27, 2012 02:30pm
I do not know much about THE LAW every one is talking about,but I am sure that the GIRL is in judicial custody,where her age is being investigated..The article is a bit premature because it may put unnecessary pressure on judiciary on one hand, and provide excuses to fanatics for creating law and order situation which is already very bleak.
Rajesh K
Aug 27, 2012 02:30pm
Ask your Pakistani brothers in North America, Western Europe and Australia to pack their bags in Secular countries and move to the Islamic countries as secularism can lead Islamic followers to destruction.
Ram Krishan Sharma
Aug 29, 2012 09:19am
Dear Devil , Could you please tell me your nationality. Indian or Afganistani ? you have spoken the Truth.
Pramod
Aug 27, 2012 11:14am
Dear Sajjad, I dont know why Pakistani keep repeating Gujrat riots. In Gulrat riots both Muslim and Hindu were killed,Not trying to justify it but it was some 10 years ago and a communal riot. May be some politicians were also involved in that.Such incident happened in past and might happen in future i as well and in any country of the world. but it is not like Pakistan where minorities are harrassed continuously. over all if see Muslim in india (Including Gujrat) along with all other minorities are prospering and free to follow their religion
Vineeth
Aug 28, 2012 09:08am
Please refer the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article on 'Annexation' - It is the incorporation of territory into another geo-political entity. "It can also imply a certain measure of coercion, expansionism or unilateralism on the part of the stronger of the merging entities." - Did I miss something? I have intentionally used a relatively neutral term to describe this.
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 10:51am
Pray, tell us what should be discussed? By the way, the article does not say that injustice happens ONLY with minorities. It says that there is injustice happening with minorities. The two sentences are very different in meaning.
Shah
Aug 27, 2012 10:51am
Ohh my dear God! Dawn dot com has been invaded by Pakistani hating Indians.
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:46am
Ditto for India , my friend ..India is definitely not as incredible as it claims to be!
abcd
Aug 27, 2012 09:49am
(((The principle that Muslims of the Indian Sub-continent should have their own independent state where they could live in complete submission to the One and Only True God is correct and appropriate. ))) you cry at my face that there is one and only one true GOD, and then expect me to be civil with you. what about my belief? will i be allowed to live with equal dignity in your GOLDEN ISLAMIC EMIRATES, or i be whipped for not believing in the only true god. if, with 97% Muslim population, and with Quran as the highest scripture and Allah as sovereign, you could not achieve your dream, then it would be very difficult for you to even come to terms to reality of 21st century, let alone establishing an Islamic state.
Dixit
Aug 27, 2012 09:45am
In that very period of so called Golden Age, 3 caliphate were killed in a single year in the war of powers. Even family members of Prophet were killed brutely by caliphate Yazid. Can you deny that ?
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:50am
That's a good idea...People who have problem with Pakistan can surrender their green passports and migrate to Incredible India . I am sure there is enough space for a few million migrants in India , the greatest Secular state and Democracy the world will ever see !
Shankar
Aug 27, 2012 11:31am
It is more like, Dawn has been invaded by people who are worried about Pakistan!
Pramod
Aug 27, 2012 11:30am
No. Law is there to deal with it and it is same for scripture related to any religion.
sharma
Aug 27, 2012 09:28am
I am really amazed as to how people who read and write English can be so illiterate?
Karachi Wala
Aug 27, 2012 02:48pm
"However, the one, definite thing we should all be sure of is that with every incident of blasphemy in this country, it is the noose around our own necks that is tightening." That is for sure!!!
Surendra
Aug 27, 2012 11:33am
I see a lot of analogy between east and west germanies, Pakistan and India. In 1989., east germans have jumped the berlin wall. In our case hindus are crossing wagah border followed by ahmedis, shias and sunnis
allaisa
Aug 27, 2012 02:50pm
Ask not who the next blasphemer is, for it could be you!
Pramod
Aug 29, 2012 05:46am
you can protest for one more thing. more than 35000 people has been killed in terrorist attacks in Pakistan only. Way more than drone strikes.
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:38am
Nice reply !!! With lots of words that must have *really* irritated the "Seculars" !!!! I completely agree that Secularism is nothing but a tool for corruption and decay
nasir
Aug 29, 2012 10:56am
Oops, I think I just committed blasphemy. I formatted my hard drive which contained a full electronic version of the Quran and Hadith. Can our learned Ulema tell me if I am okay or do I have to prepare for a mob trying to hunt me down.
Pramod
Aug 27, 2012 05:25pm
just want to hear What Tsunami man Imran Khan has to say about this and other minority issue like forced conversion, Shia killing etc.
Erfan Ahmed
Aug 27, 2012 05:25pm
Unfortunately, we look at everything through the prism of our own beliefs and anything other than that makes us out rightly reject it. Jinnah was the strongest advocate of Hindu-Muslim unity but could see that the Hindu leaders were more interested in hegemony rather than equal rights for the Muslims. He was ridiculed and boycotted by some very notable Muslim clerics of the time, who believed and supported the Congress, but gave up this backing soon after the 1937 elections when Congress showed it's true colors. No less than the Attorney General of the state of Maharashtra is on record as stating in his book that Jinnah "did not make Pakistan" but it was Nehru and Vallabhai Patel who pushed him against the wall to demand it. (I am sorry but I am unable to quote the name of the book or the attorney general as I am in office and these are at home). Pakistan was only a threat for greater rights within India, but the obstinacy of the Congress leadership made it a reality.
Himanshu
Aug 27, 2012 12:58pm
And you still buy that? Pakistan was created to quench some people's thirst for power, which the Nehru gang was not ready to let go of. Everything other than that, especially the "ideological differences" theories are just irrelevant. They have to keep the population, which they initially fooled somehow, enchanted somehow. That is why Pakistan can never let go of the religious bigotry it systematically injects in the very veins of its society, because as soon as this potent anaesthesia looses its effect, the common man will wake up and ask, why Pakistan??
Kalyan
Aug 27, 2012 05:27pm
Faiza, Do you realistically think that Pakistan will fight for say the rights of Buddhists in Tibet against China as they do for say the Muslims in Myanmar? Today everyone is driven by self interest and prejudice as opposed to any perceived calling by God. It is a complete facade.
arif
Aug 27, 2012 12:52pm
i agree with you, she want to famous by anti pakistan remarks.
Z.B.
Aug 27, 2012 12:58pm
What do you think the amendment should include? How can it be amended? There is only one for the whole thing to stop, and that is the removal of this law.
Omar Khan
Aug 27, 2012 05:32pm
As Salam Alakum, The blasphemy law is against the teaching of Islam. The Quran and the hadith do not mention blasphemy, nothing in Islam supports it. How did the prophet Mohammad (PBUH) react to actions of non Muslim
HJ
Aug 28, 2012 04:10pm
You are soooo wrong. Please be a better human being and realize what is happening in Pakistan rather than always try to throw a rug on all the evils that is infested in the country. There is a reason Pakistan is at the bottom of every chain because our people chose to stay illetrate and belive everyone is spiing a web around them. Wake up call, US or any other country dont loose sleep over a failed country.
areluctantpakistani
Aug 27, 2012 12:34pm
I guess the poor man who was burned alive or the Shias who were shot dead should wait for your courts to dispense them justice.
Pramod
Aug 27, 2012 05:40pm
Well said follow religion in your heart and leave the decision to him if you have any respect for GOD
Syed Jafri
Aug 27, 2012 12:30pm
As I mentioned in my last comment on one of Faiza's articles, she knows how to attract people , especially Indians by highlighting anti Pakistan issues. I am not saying she should not do that or we should spare the culprits behind these acts but she should have the moral courtesy and responsibility to write sometime about the facts when Pakistan and Pakistanis were at the receiving end. But that will not get her any publicity , unfortunately.
Aditya
Sep 02, 2012 06:34pm
Hi All, our dear sister Fazia has been featured in Ibnlive program called Nobody
Khalid
Aug 29, 2012 06:03pm
exactly....pakistan needs an attaturk
Ameen
Aug 27, 2012 06:24pm
AA Dear Shankar and Kiwi/Paki, From Islamic view point, according to my current understanding, secularism is the rule of one person/group of people over humanity. Secularism emerged mainly in retaliation to injustices committed by those in power in Christian churches. So, as the church grew weaker, secularism together with democracy emerged. Power and control transferred to groups of individuals who had wealth and this gave rise to capitalism. Now, the underlying philosophy of capitalism in simplest terms is that life is a quest for pleasure. Thus, in the absence of sense of accountability before God, human beings become slaves of their own desires; the strong exploit the weak and poor through in just financial and economic policies, nations are used by their rich and rulers for their own vested interests, etc. etc. If this process continues, where do you think it will lead to if not to destruction? We are already witnessing great unrests in America and Europe and extreme violence in many parts of the world. In an Islamic estate, it will also be humans who will formulate laws and implement them just like in any other country. The difference is that the laws will have to be in line with Divine guidance which seeks to achieve the objectives I stated in my earlier post. And there is no difference between the rights of Muslims and Non-Muslims as far as these objectives are concerned. And I understand, there are no rules against having Non-Muslims in Islamic governments. In fact, I think the best people to explain the needs of every community to Islamic government will be people from those communities. But, unfortunately both Muslims and Non-Muslims have been failing to understand the faith and religion of Islam. And I feel this is the root cause of failures and atrocities committed by Muslims and mistrust and prejudices coming from Non-Muslims. Was Salam (Ameen)
HJ
Aug 28, 2012 04:54pm
Please dont mislead the people. We know it and the entire world knows that Wazirstan is harbouring the most dangerous terrorits and people are protecting them. So please donot even try to throw a spin on this and get the fats straights. Why are the people not reporting terrorist activities which is destabilizing the coountry. U have no patriotism for Pakistan? You want to see the Country run over by these mindless savages? If that is your idea then may ALLAH protect us from our own people who are not loyal to our flag.
ROHIT PANDEY
Aug 27, 2012 01:59pm
First they came for Hindus, and I did'nt speak out because I wasn't a Hindu Then they came for Sikhs and I did'nt speak out because I wasn't a Sikh Then they came for Shites and I did.nt speak out for I wasn't a Shite Then they came for Ahmediyas and I did.nt speak out for I wasn't an Ahmediya Then they came for Christians and I didn't speak out for I wasn't a Christian Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me. Actually MOHAMMED ALI JINNAH did not want this to happen,remember?
shazi
Aug 28, 2012 12:33pm
Writer is trying to perform the role of "Shehenshah e Akbar" who spent whole her energy and life molding islam as per his societal and political needs - but in vain. Instead of wasting their energy, she should consider promoting something positive like Unity of Muslims and promotion of real islam values.
Shankar
Aug 27, 2012 11:25am
Ameen, I respect your deep faith in Islam and I believe a true Muslim is usually a peaceful human-being. I believe secularism is a form of social evolution which separates one's faith from governance. The Christian world rejected interference of the church from governance through violent revolutions. Rest of the world believe secularism is the right concept for the world which is mult-religious today. It believes the government should not differentiate between people based on their faith. But you are welcome to your opinion.
Khalid
Aug 28, 2012 12:31pm
One doesn't have to be enlightened or secularist. Just rational and logical.
AHA
Aug 27, 2012 07:55pm
Do you honestly believe that someone will provide evidence against a wrong accuser, when the accuser is a religious fanatic.
Joe
Aug 27, 2012 07:55pm
You wrote one-liners, and should have pointed out how those statutes are implemented. For example: the last case heard in Canada was in 1936. And: Canada 296(3): "No person shall be convicted of an offence under this section for expressing in good faith and in decent language, or attempting to establish by argument used in good faith and conveyed in decent language, an opinion on a religious subject." Others are similar. New Zealand 123(3): "It is not an offense against this section to express in good faith and in decent language, or to attempt to establish by arguments used in good faith and conveyed in decent language, any opinion whatever on any religious subject." Those countries also have court justice and have moved on for several generations in civil society, while Pakistan's blasphemy statute provokes mullahs "speaking for God", as well as street mobs, politicians being murdered, and other politicians failing to provide leadership. Major difference.
AHA
Aug 27, 2012 07:59pm
So true. The blasphemy law is a disrespect to prophet Mohammad (PBUH), the greatest human who has ever walked this earth.
ACFP
Aug 28, 2012 03:49pm
There is a ziarat called "ziarat-e-warisa" which shias ( all muslims should ) recite quite often. In that there are few lines which translate something like this. " Laanat to the ummat that killed Imam Husain and his followrs, Laanat to the ummat that committed atrocities" But here is the most important line which you have suggested as well. " laanat to the ummat that watched silently and let the atrocities happened".
SUNIL
Aug 27, 2012 08:11am
As for blasphemy - Can an ultimate truth be tarnished by any type of slur?
Mohammed M
Aug 28, 2012 12:29pm
Well it does appear that Pakistani's and those hardline mullah's everyone loves to hate are speaking up for Rimsha Masih. The All Pakistan Ulema Council, an umbrella group of Muslim clerics and scholars, which includes representatives from fundamentalist groups, joined hands with the Pakistan Interfaith League, which includes Christians, Sikhs and other religions, to call for justice for the girl. It also intresting to note that Khatm-e-Nubuwwat, a group accused by some of being behind anti Qadiani violence have rallied in support of Rimsha. Perhaps things are not as black and white as the article would lead us to believe.
Khalid
Aug 28, 2012 12:29pm
Mr. Rizwan Yousuf, like most ignorant people in Pakistan, you have missed the point completely. Please try to understand what is being said. Aren't you ashamed to be a Pakistani?. I certainly am.
Aryan
Aug 29, 2012 10:08am
you have the typical false propoganda information about India from your hate mongering madarssahs. Just like recent Mumbai rioting, rioting by Muslims in very common in India, and usually goes away without a backlash from other sects of society; thanks to the muslim-appeasing governments who do not even let police save themselves from the attackers. Burma issue is more about ethnicity than religion, and both sides have killed each other's people. Recent one started because of some rohingyas raping and killing a buddhist girl. Kashmir needs to be deployed with army and they have to be brutal becuase the rioting nature there too. Why dont you point of the mass murders of Kashmiri Hindus, which happenned to the reason of heavy military deployment? Gujrat was also started by Muslim group resorting to violence and then burning people alive in a train. The riots aftermath also lead to many Hindus being killed, which nobody cares to report. I knwo you know it, but will just never mention or agree to it. Assam is also majorly ethnical issue, and 'miyans' and bangladeshis have forcibly taken assamese land and also harrassed assamese where miyans or bangladeshis are in majority. And both muslims and assamese people have died in the issue. I am expert on Palestine issue, and let them sort out their problems. Even theer I dont understand why Pakistani muslims should cry over the issue. You have a different race, language, creed, color, region etc. Like Bali bomb blasts (where majority people are Hindu by religion) does not make a big news or anti-muslim issue in India (or Hindus anywhere in the world); it is better to concentrate on problems in the own region. The common thread in the incidents are : 1) The issues were started by hate-mongering MUSLIM groups. 2) They faces (maybe oversized) retaliation by other group (this is not justified, but natural). 3) Media gave these incidents a wide coverage and these incidents were widely comdemned world over. 4) Both the sides (muslim and non-muslim) side felt the burnt and loss of people. Now tell me the conditions in Pakistan--- 1) How many times have minorities started the riot by killing muslims in Pakistan? 2) How many times both sides (including muslims) have observed casualties on their side in the riots? 3) how many times has state supported minorities and bashed the muslim preperators? 4) Do ALL anti-minority cases get wide coverage in media and worldwide? As per my study all the answers are a big NO. You cannot compare your hate-mongering by other's oversized retaliations. And ANY INDIAN MUSLIM will rubbish your claims about the indian incidents being 'state-sponsored'. Infact muslims in India get away even with killing police and govt officials. State is totally pro-minority. I suggest you read more of 'secular media' and apply rational thought before accepting your friday sermon teachings.
Cheran
Aug 27, 2012 08:08pm
xcellently written :)... loved it
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 10:48am
Knowledge of English should ideally cure a person's 'tunnel vision' as he is exposed more to the facts and ideas from across the world. If that has not happened, he is truly 'illiterate'.
ahmed
Aug 27, 2012 10:18am
You are an ignorant.
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 10:40am
Without even a 1% Buddhist minority, the only remotely religious symbols you will find in the Indian flag and emblem are Buddhist (The Dharma chakra and the Lion Capital of Ashoka). You can consider that as a starting point.. ;-)
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 10:39am
Is that why more and more people from Islamic countries are migrating to Europe? To secure a golden age for Europe? Or to get away from the horrors at home? Laughable.
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 10:37am
And heaven forbid, we don't like it, you will pull us of the bus and send us to our maker, will you not?
Vineeth
Aug 28, 2012 08:52am
Secularism may not solve 'all' of Pakistan's problems. But it would be definitely in a better position to solve them, as you would no longer need to depend on the interpretations of your religious law by so many sects to manage your day-to-day life. In India, no one asks what centuries-old Hindu law or Muslim law says about something while dealing with a general civil/criminal case. Personal laws are an exception though, as they are currently handled by individual religious law boards.
armaghan
Aug 27, 2012 10:36am
this topic should not be a matter of discussion as courts are out there to provide justice.the behaviors are disciplined by law not by articles in newspapers.it seems from article that only injustice is with minorities ,
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 10:36am
You seem to be living in a parallel universe
abc
Aug 27, 2012 08:20pm
Ammend the constitution, when there is no hindu, christian, sikh, budhist left in the country
shazi
Aug 28, 2012 12:27pm
Dear, none of the religion is man made. Religions are associated with eachother in ionic bonds of concise information about each other. For instance, Hindus book Geeta, mentions about Prophet Mohammad PBUH, Bible describes Prophet Mohammad PBUH, Quran describes of Torah and several old prophets etc. etc. Man made are the modifications that we have made in God's religion. May Allah bestow you and me to the right path ........
abc
Aug 27, 2012 08:25pm
thr author, usually writes about Pakistan. and i believe, the above mentioned places does not belong in pakistan
zulfiqar Ali
Aug 27, 2012 08:25pm
Writer has rightly and firmly presented the current situations of minorities in Pakistan, It is my Humble, honest, and very deeply committed faith, that the Islam mean peace, and therefore the law of blasphemy goes against the core of Islamic teachings. Similarly law against Ahmadi is wrong. If we are a committed Muslim, our acts and our deeds reflect our emotions, then there is a little to worry about any one else religion or any one else ridicule. Islam is a strong religion, how can it be so weak that it encourages punishment for any one, who use words ?
ameen
Aug 27, 2012 10:33am
AA Dear Sajjad, The roots of the turmoil in Pakistan are very complex. Therefore it will be extremely difficult, costly and time consuming to try to identify and fix them. Keeping in mind plans of individuals in America and the west for regional and global control. Therefore, I think we need to re-start a movement to establish Pakistan on an ideaology and a clearly defined constitution. I believe Islam is that ideaology that can bring about peace and justice. This is where the Prophet of Islam started and succeeded in establishing a peaceful, just and at the same time powerful state. My knowledge of Talibans is very limited. But, what I see on main stream western media about taliban shows that taliban are very violent which is far from being islamic. If we study conflicts between islam and established powers in the hisory of mankind, we will see that it has always been secular forces that have opposed and persecuted Divinely guided men and their followers. So, the real clash is between secular and islamic ideologies. Wassalam (Ameen)
Gerry D'Cunha
Aug 27, 2012 10:33am
It is high time now the white strip representing the minorities in Pakistan should be changed to black cololur, in fact this should have been changed when Zia-ul-Haq imposed blasphemy law in the country's constitution.
Bobs
Aug 28, 2012 03:35pm
Love you girl...Please keep safe but not silent...people like you will make the world better place to live one day. I almost started hating all pakistani's specially after seeing treatment given to " Mumtaz Qadri" but you make me think again..not all are same..some are still human in this country..God bless you. a
Bashir Ahmed
Aug 27, 2012 08:29pm
Make blasphemy law not only for Islam but also for other religions in the country. Doesn't Islam advocate - 'an eye for a eye'. Then those who accuse others of blasphemy would be more considerate of accusing others. Plus I think India owes to non-muslims of Indian origin by offering them asylum in India on religious persecution grounds. If India can offer security to Tibetans and Muslims from Bangladesh in India then why not others as well.
Saad
Aug 27, 2012 08:29pm
Be quiet mate.... what is happening with muslims in India????? and also what did you do to Sikhs in 1980s???? remember?
Vineeth
Aug 27, 2012 10:27am
Rehan, you need to read a bit about the difference between 'Secularism' and 'Atheism'. You seem to be confused about the two. Secularism gives you the freedom to live the life by your religious laws, as long as it does not affect the rights of others. In a landmark judgement in 1985, the Supreme Court of India declared that a person is free not to sing the national anthem if it is against their religious sensitivities. Secularism just ensures that one religious community is not discriminated or privileged at the expense of another.
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 10:27am
Thank you Rehan, for praising India. I am sure you meant every word of it :) India is incredible. The Islamic population there has been growing since partition. So has the Christian population. Can't say the same for Hindus in Pakistan, now can I? And by people who have a problem with Pakistan, that includes every peace loving, life loving, family loving, terrorism hating citizen? By all means send them over here. You can keep all the others, whom you so vigourously defend.
bigboss
Aug 27, 2012 10:26am
now the human being who begs five times a day in front of god,is going to protect god by his blasphemy law...
Tahira
Aug 28, 2012 03:32pm
People who assume that some one's punishment is due because THEY judge some one as blasphemer are Mushrikeen since they are taking on the role of God. Allah is the sole judge of who deserves punishment for what and when. At least Rimsha is not Mushrik. How did she get pages of Quran from trash? Only one who owns the Quran can do such an act. What are you supposed to do with the Holy book when it has come to you from your ancestors some 400 years ago and is breaking to pieces when you try to read it. Maulvi Sahiban tell you to burn the pages. So if Rimsha picked up such bits of pages thrown in trash by some believer, why is she so sinful of an intentional act of disrespect? Can she read Arabic? Please think and think again. Desist from actions against innocents that will call for Allah's wrath upon the whole nation.
ACFP
Aug 27, 2012 08:44pm
You must be one of those people who can see evil, smell evil but still would not believe it until they swallow some it.
Afzal
Aug 30, 2012 12:49am
Wow i could not have said it better myself. Kudos....
ACFP
Aug 27, 2012 08:55pm
Actually the source of all the problems and you in Pakistan is due to conspiracies from ET of Galaxy blah blah blah. Innocent people of Pakistan like you are the victims of injustice not only from worldly enemies but also from Galaxy blah blah blah. You should build few more cocoons around you.
Ejaz
Aug 27, 2012 08:58pm
Blasphemy laws are in themselves un-Islamic. The great religion of Islam, its Holy Prophet or its God do not need man's help to protect their honor. The creators and the promulgators of these laws are themselves committing blasphemy by believing that the GOD is incapable of taking care of Himself or his domain. These so called Muslims have truly reduced themselves to the rank of non-believers and according to the Book of God (the Holy Quran) will be dealt as such on the day of the judgement. May Allah have Mercy on our innocent country and may He not punish us all for the mis-deeds of these ignorants. Amen!
dff
Aug 27, 2012 10:45am
In gujrat 100 muslims were killed while thousands get slaughtered in pakistan and Afghanistan on daily basis that also by Muslims only.
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 10:35am
Minorities in India cannot get jobs, Lubna? You ought to seriously consider watching actual news channels and reading books not written by local "experts". Have you been watching too much of Zaid Hamid? Or reading his version of the Wikipedia? A Muslim President, a Muslim Cricket Captain, so many leading actors and actresses.... but you already know all this. You choose not to face the truth.
cosmo
Aug 27, 2012 09:08pm
mr fazal, when you know that your country is corrupt and people can easily misuse a harsh law as the blasphemy law(to settle personal scores or whatever) which carries a death penalty then is it not wise to amend/repeal it for there is a high chance of miscarriage of justice in these kinds of laws. And by miscarriage of justice, I mean death penalty!! Right to life is the most basic right and if your country cannot protect that, then it is better you leave democracy and come under a dictator!!
Majority
Aug 31, 2012 08:24am
@ EL Cid In case you have not realized, I did not want to present an argument or a "case". It was more of a sarcasm! DUH! As for "mis-nomers" well lets not start on that now should we. All that is being labelled and justified under "Islam" and "halal" today is simply sad and shameful. How many have been murdered in the name of being labelled as "Kafir" by the likes of LEK or Jamat Dawa etc. I do not even want to know more, for it just revolts me and turns my stomach. May God have bmercy on you.
Khalid
Aug 28, 2012 12:23pm
That is not the point. The article is about how religious minorities live in Pakistan ansd as a Pakistani and as a Muslim I am nothing but hugely ashamed of what is happening in Pakistan. Religious intolerance has increased to levels unimaginable by most people in the world. For us Pakistanis, there is always an excuse a reason to explain as to why we are so intolerant. What a shame....
Faiza Mirza
Aug 28, 2012 12:24pm
Good suggestion but why Afia Siddiqui?
ROHIT PANDEY
Aug 27, 2012 09:20pm
Commissars Gestapo Fundamentalists....aka THUGS masquerading under an "ideology:..they make up "they"!!!!
Indian
Aug 27, 2012 09:05am
Hi Shakoor, Get your facts right buddy....Dr Kalam became president because of his merit not due to quota ....
atlas
Aug 27, 2012 09:08am
Amen belongs a growing list of sick people in the land of the pure.
Rizwan Yousuf
Aug 28, 2012 12:10pm
Ms Faiza the more number cost more lives. why we always take opportunity to write any issue that take international attention and totally avoid the killing with in Pakistan by drone attacks all related activities. why not treat it equally. did you ever address any issue like innocent killed in Waziristan and cases like Aafia Siddique?.
Shamsuddin
Aug 27, 2012 10:43am
Rehan please try to understand the difference between two words "Away" is not equal to "Against". Ignorance is not an asset .
cosmo
Aug 27, 2012 09:26pm
so what is wrong with that? several hindus in india and christians in britain and other western countries have supported the rights of muslims including building the muslim community center near 9/11 site. is there anything wrong in that?
Hasan Mehmood
Aug 29, 2012 07:33am
You are a brave Indian but unfortunately in a very microscopic minority as far as Kashmir issue is concerned. 99.9% Indians follow official narrative and those like Anuradha Roy are blasted for stepping out of line. Whereas we have far more liberal narratives and even considered acceptance of status quo with minor modifications at highest level. Refer all the working papers in Musharraf Era before madness consumed him in launching Kargil.
cosmo
Aug 27, 2012 09:33pm
yes, you are correct to point out these countries where muslims are killed by other communities. but what about somalia,syria afghanistan and your very own pakistan where muslims kill each other and in larger no. than the non muslims kill them? do you take out protest rallies against them too?
Hasan Mehmood
Aug 28, 2012 12:20pm
My dear Rehan Sb Assuming 100% of the drone victims were civilians, they are still a fraction of those killed by Taliban. One other fact people like you always overlook is the man behind the trigger. The final orders for drone targets are issued by a non muslim CIA operative sitting on a computer in USA relying purely on human intelligence and not so sharp video surveillance. On the other hand your beloved Taliban blow up men, women and children with eyes wide open at point blank range. Who is the greatest culprit? One who is accidently killing innocent civilians or the one doing so willfully as part of strategy to create chaos in the society and weaken the resolve of its citizens to resist Talibanization.
Shan Malik
Aug 27, 2012 09:36pm
The way things are going in Pakistan no country in the world would want to have anything to do with Pakistan. Look around and none of our neighbors are happy with us, infact we are considered a headache. Everytime I open my local newspaper there is something negative about Pakistan on the front page and it seems that Pakistanis have given a new way for the newspapers and TV channels around the world to generate revenue. Mullahs can rule the country and get everyone starved to death. Our corrupt politicians and their children will keep enjoying the lavish lifestyle and keep playing in money. They will keep quiet and side with the extremists to save their jobs in the office. What a sad state of affairs.
Samresh
Aug 27, 2012 08:57am
No one is going to kill you if you burn any religious scripture in India.
Aryan
Aug 29, 2012 09:29am
A good hindu is a good human. as simple as that. technically, nobody is hindu and everybody is born hindu. you dont have any ritual like baptism or circumcisation etc. to convert to hinduism. it takes a baby as it is born. so before you convert to any religion (through baptism or circumcisation r whatever process) you are basically hindu. It is a free though culture and even a athiest can be hindu. Some politically motivated groups might have taken 'theka' of defining Hindu values, but there is nothing called Hindu values as such. The common thread teching in all Hindu sects and cults is also the same thread in all other religions like Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc. -- 1) Have faith in a divine power 2) Do not harm any person or living being unecessarily 3) What goes around, comes around. "Ashtadasha puraneshu vyasasya vachana dwayam, paropkaray punyay, papay parapeedanam" mean all the 18 puranas (all the books of diff depicted angels - now thought of as monkey god, cow god, elephant god and what not type of god) have the same summary - helping others will create good deeds for you, and hurting others increases your sin. Following this principle of nature makes a good Hindu. It also makes a good Muslim, a good Jew, a good Christian, a good Buddhist etc. Scrap the politically motivated groups teaching from all religions (like RSS, Mullahs, Priests, Rabbis etc., and you find the same thread everywhere.
Rajesh
Aug 27, 2012 08:55am
What makes you state that that was a "Golden Age". "Golden Age" is in reality at present in North European Secular countries who are far away from religion.
anshu
Aug 27, 2012 09:44pm
@Zimbo_Indian Most pakistanis believe 1. Religion MUST be part of state; in fact religion is state. Separation of state and religion is a western non-sense and conspiracy of hindu+Chistian+Jews et. all. 2. As long as you belong to majority; do anything you like; and brand it as islam. 3. They "THINK" God and Truth need their protection; the way they choose to define either of them or both.
KayT
Aug 27, 2012 08:55am
My friend, a newspaper's job is to report the truth. There job is to create awareness. They are here to help us by printing truth. If we don;t know where we are then we can;t go anywhere. As far as solutions are concerned, solutions come in an organic manner from you, from me, from the citizens.. As for that, the solution in my opinion is in our face.. we have to ditch religion as a first step and start respecting each other.
kiwi/paki
Aug 27, 2012 12:55pm
Dear sir I am Pakistani too but we can not deny facts. If you don't admit it then it is your choice but the sooner we realize these facts the better and once we realize it, only then can we be able to do something about it.
SHK
Aug 28, 2012 10:48am
Its easy when people from different religions say horrid things about Islam and get away easily ,people support them in the name of freedom of speech .i urge such people to think how would they feel if the same was said for there religion !would they be able to tolerate it.
raj
Aug 27, 2012 08:52am
What is Pak's blasphemy Law? Can anybody please explain me in legal terms??
anshu
Aug 27, 2012 09:47pm
@Salman Excellent observation. Now go on kill some more minorities to find out if there are any other hidden minority supporters. Kill them all and you have a purified pakistan; prosperous and full of PAK ppl.
El Cid
Aug 29, 2012 08:37pm
@Khan: That is a tall order. Allah's Ultimate Warriors, The Taliban Freedom Fighters have taken it on...meal by piece-meal they will fill it. But first they have to defeat the mercenaries and their ZioNazi-Crusader Over-lords--defeat them, rout them in the field...and they will, if Allah Wills.
anshu
Aug 27, 2012 09:49pm
+1 courageous.
anshu
Aug 27, 2012 09:48pm
+1
Ashish
Aug 27, 2012 08:46am
Agree 100% to both. But there are problems with such conversions from being a saint to becoming a bloodthirsty hound. Once converted, reversal is even more difficult. And reversal without realization is impossible. Only when people take these pledges, can they begin to move forward: 1. I will not kill, no matter what. Even when others offend, I will defend, but not offend. 2. I will not harm birds and animals and will not kill and eat them. I will not use population control, superiority of mankind, protein source etc. as excuses. 3. From a violence loving person I will convert to being non-violent. 4. I will ensure no one else converts like our forefathers were forced to. 5. Religion does not matter. I will only do good in life.
Ameen
Aug 27, 2012 08:48am
AA Dear All, The objectives of Shariah are to protect and preserve: Life, Religion, lineage, Intellect and property. We need to examine the golden age of Islam under the rules of the Prophet Muhammad (AS) and the first 2 rightly guided caliphs ie Abu Bakr and Umar (RA) in order to determine how these objectives were achieved and benefitted the citiznes of the caliphate in particular and humanity in general. The principle that Muslims of the Indian Sub-continent should have their own independent state where they could live in complete submission to the One and Only True God is correct and appropriate. Unfortunately, Pakistan has never been allowed to become a full fledged Islamic State based on the creed of Islam and above 3 models. Do people of Pakistan actually understand what secularism is? Secularism coupled with capitalism are the tools of global domination and control. And these are leading humanity to destruction. The Muslim world (including Pakistan) is infested with multifasceted corruptions in levels of society. Very small percentages of populations actually have correct beliefs and adhere to the moral values and laws of Islam. But, this situation is changing. However, there is resistance and violance coming from those in local and global powers. I also acknowldege that violance is coming from some of those who wish to return to Islam's golden age.. Wassalam (Ameen)
Dev
Aug 28, 2012 08:32am
Zen your facts are incorrect, when it comes to culture we are same people, unless you change the definition of culture drastically. Apart from religious beliefs we do most of the things similarly. I am unable to understand your point "Pakistan was created for muslims, not for Islam" to me muslim and Islam are the same thing.
dk
Aug 29, 2012 02:26am
Shanker, what a non-sense.... if you want to change then become the change (Gandhi). Believe me Pakistan is changing. Every low is followed by up..... Pakistanis are enlightening by thousands. You Indians do not have to leave hate comments on these pages,, it does not prove that you are a good Hindu. but then who is a good Hindu?
Dilip
Aug 27, 2012 08:04am
Is there any country in the world wherein a girl is abducted, forced to change her religion and then married off? Is there any country in the world where outsiders come, settle and then drive off the natives and boastfully claim that God has given them "freedom". Pakistan embodies that devil in all forms.
anshu
Aug 27, 2012 10:01pm
@PeopleInGlassHouses Yes sir it does. Have you happen to read any of these or just googled it and decided to post it here to make your self look righteous? Here is initial few lines: " Deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs...." The key word here is "ANY CLASS". It protects all it's citizens equally. Ring a bell? However as an Indian I would more so lean towards no blasphemy law at all. Like the USA which considers it a violation of 1st amendment to restrict anybody from criticizing any religion.
anshu
Aug 27, 2012 10:02pm
I forgot to mention I am an Indian and the excerpts I mentioned are from Indian Penal code.
bilal
Aug 27, 2012 10:07pm
i really don't understand some people...how on earth can u call this an anti-pakistan article??? dayumm some people don't think do they...they live in denial...open your eyes, look at the problems around u...if, by any chance, that poor 11 year old girl rimsha is given a death penalty...that would seriously be the lowest point ever in the history of pakistan...and to be very honest if she is killed, i would've lost all the respect for this dayum country...that would a new low for Pakistan...even more embaressing than the bin-laden raid...what a pitty...WAKE UP PAKISTAN !!!!
Tahira
Aug 27, 2012 10:08pm
Burden of proof will not work as the accuser can assemble tens of people as his witnesses as in the case of Asia Bibi. The nation has to realise that the greatest blasphemy is being committed by those who disobey the Holy Quran and the sayings of the Holy Prophet. When they kill a person for ANY reason, they are the blasphemers. period. May God help the nation.
MrBigPaki
Aug 29, 2012 08:06pm
Syria is Sunni population dominated but the ruling class is Shia. Therefore its the Shia's thats killing the Sunni's. Anyways it doenst matter. Things in Pakistan are getting worse by the day, the hatred, the prejudice, The cycle will not end, dont have the leadership to change course. The will of people was the only factor keeping this Jinnah's utopia alive and is fading.
Tahira
Aug 27, 2012 10:14pm
This will be an impossible legal battle. Judges will ask for witnesses which can be bought in dozens for a few rupees by the accuser or his mullahs at the mosque. When a nation loses its honesty, truthfulness, fear of God and forgets that there will be accountability for its actions on judgement day, nothing can succeed to eliminate tragic events like Rimsha;s and Asia Bibi's. How else will the judge find the truth of the accuser?
PA
Aug 29, 2012 02:30am
Pakistan is a sick society, I commended the writer. It is absolutely the rightful depiction of majority mind set in Pakistan. Secularism is the only pill for this disease. PA
Dilip
Aug 27, 2012 08:01am
Vijay, i have the same opinion, when you look at the picture of a man of ancient Gandhara you see the serenity of a saint. Today his descendants sport a bloodshot thirsty eyes just like a devillsh clan
Muhammad Yaqub
Aug 28, 2012 08:54am
Lady to start with, I recommend that the flagpole should be stuck into the green part !
Tahira
Aug 27, 2012 10:18pm
I totally agree with Naeem. Those who are trying to find an excuse to discredit Faiza need to join a good school and start their re-education from grade 1.
Ben
Aug 27, 2012 10:24pm
Some quick questions re the case of this 11 year old girl suffering from down's syndrome, who has been accused of burning a religious booklet or part thereof: How and where did she get this material to burn it? did she buy it? or she just found it lying somewhere? was that material lying on the waste heap or what? who put it there and why? was that person also arrested or beaten etc? if not, then why?
Tahira
Aug 27, 2012 10:26pm
Replace "the courts" with "Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry". The courts have been bought or threatened in to silence before.
Tahira
Aug 27, 2012 10:32pm
Find and hug a minority person and ask him. He will tell you first hand.
Tahira
Aug 27, 2012 10:34pm
Also take Aamir Liaqat, with his fake Ph.D. degree and hateful speeches and fatwas. Thank you.
Tahira
Aug 27, 2012 10:35pm
Please find a leader like Kamal Ataturk to clean up Pakistan.
Umesh
Aug 27, 2012 11:50pm
Jinnah had demanded parity for Muslims with Hindus. Such demand goes against the principle of secularism which treats all religions equal, not just one religion. It is fortunate that Indian leaders rejected those demands and accepted partition. At least India became a secular country!
Seedoo
Aug 27, 2012 10:38pm
The only cure is to not change but COMPLETELY do away with this draconian law. People in this day and age should exhibit certain degree of maturity and thick skin. If someone is committing blasphemy it is their problem. Muslims should learn to accept criticism of their religion, just like citizens of all other civilized society do. Why do they expect everyone to shower respect to Islam? This country can never be free unless its people are given freedom to think and express their feelings they way they see fit. And yes, not all forms of expression will be palatable to everyone. There will be good and bad, but who are we to judge what form of expression is good and what form is bad for the society? After all Sunni muslims commit blasphemy against Ahmediya religion all the time. May be it is time that a few Sunni mullahs are give a taste of their own medicine and burned to death.
Pradeep Kalra
Aug 27, 2012 11:49am
Another remarkable article which forces the reader to admire the humane qualities of the author.It requires a lot of courage for a pakistani lady to write so boldly.The masses in pakistan wouldn't understand the truth present in this article as it is in english.A majority of english speaking pakistanis also would not appreciate this as they float in the shallow pool of hypocrisy.I as an individual always look forward to your views Fazia.May god give enough wisdom to these brutes to realise that there is a thing known as humanity also and not everything in this world revolves around islam.
sami
Aug 28, 2012 04:00am
Pitiful, disgraceful, ignorant, intolerant, barbaric, those are just some of the words that describe the conduct of Muslims, and especially the conduct of the Muslims of Pakistan. Your plight so pitiful, your conditions so dismal, and your tomorrow so hopeless, do you think it might all have something to do with your mentally warped sense of self-righteousness and religion? I am ashamed to have my origins from amongst the lot that is today called Pakistanis. Shame on you, you are the blasphemy in the guise of the high and holy.
Guest123
Aug 27, 2012 11:52pm
I am thankful my grandfather migrated out of Pakistan leaving behind his property and living....else if would have been hell for us. In India we appease Muslims, with govt fighting for getting them quota rights etc. In India also there is less tolerance, primarily because of terrorism but its limited to one off instances and not people driven but politician driven for state gains. In pakistan its people drive hatred.
dk
Aug 27, 2012 10:49pm
Count me in............I have become hindu....from Islam
Dilip
Aug 27, 2012 07:59am
Lubna, in India a Muslim has been President and Christians been PM and CM whereas Pakistani constitution and court orders abducted Hindu girls to convert to Islam and stay with so-called husbands. No muslim has been forcibly converted to Hinduism in India. So stop spewing lies like a worshipper of Antichrist.
Sameer
Aug 28, 2012 12:36pm
Yes there is criticism of my faith on a daily basis yet I won't burn them, behead them or have them stoned to death. I love my faith because it has the ability to include dialogue and critical thinking while still having space for beautiful stories.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 02:56am
The trouble in the world has been the same for thousands of years. People fear the strong and oppress the weak. Abdullah Yusuf Ali
Majority
Aug 30, 2012 09:13am
@ El Cid ".....Allah
El Cid
Sep 03, 2012 06:59am
Your out of context quote has a back ground reference: Benjamin Franklin, by definition, was a traitor. His remark that you quoted proves that he was aware of this fact. In June 1776, he was appointed a member of the "Committee of Five" that drafted the "Declaration of Independence"--a traitorous document. Because of gout he did not attend most meetings of the Committee, but did make minor changes to the draft sent to him by Thomas Jefferson. At the signing, of the
Mohammed
Aug 28, 2012 12:48pm
No not necessarily. Of course all human life is of equal value. However a larger number of fatalities will always lead to a greater mobilisation of the public and the international community as a more grave crime has been committed in terms of scale. Although in the case of Rimsha Masih it is being reported that in an unprecedented move the All Pakistan Ulema Council has come out in support of the girl and have said that those making false allegations be punished.
Igloo
Aug 28, 2012 12:18am
I was reading reports in the foreign media that a conservative group of Ulama have condemned the abuse of the blasphemy laws and want Rimsha's persecutors punished. Hope DAWN will be giving domestic readers an insight into this move soon.
Karachi Wala
Aug 28, 2012 01:37pm
In other words those who disobey Holy Quran and the sayings of the Holy Prophet should be braught to justice. Well said Tahira
Vineeth
Aug 28, 2012 11:18am
I am a person who believe that every religion is man-made and have their strengths and weaknesses, and hence should be open to criticism. For instance, the greatest strength of my faith (Hinduism) is its diversity, tolerance and above all, assimilation of contradicting beliefs and philosophies into its fold. However, its greatest weakness is that it has directly or indirectly created a social system (caste) that had oppressed a large section of its population for over three millenia. Similarly in my eyes, Islam has the advantage of greater emphasis on social justice and equality irrespective of ethnicity, but due to its strict injunctions the tolerance of 'infidel' beliefs leave a lot to be desired. Same goes for other faiths. Every faith should shed its sense of superiority over another, develop a culture of self-criticism and introspection, and strive to remedy its own weaknesses.
Babar Khan
Aug 28, 2012 02:20pm
I think the author is just pointing out the path of intolerance and where it leads to. Its a cancer that eats itself. Finally, there will be only one "true" muslim left standing, as he will have eliminated the rest, as they did not live up to his "standard" of "being a muslim"
Omair
Aug 28, 2012 05:19am
The author is painting a very bleak picture of Pakistan. No doubt these are great problems that need to be tackled intelligently. Publishing articles in dawn only appeases our western masters and project a very bad image of Pakistan. For tackling this problem we need to concentrate on educating the masses. We should create an atmosphere where education is provided to all. Ignorance in our society is the main cause of all such events. Writing such articles don't reach a common man. This just show a bad image of Pakistan to the world.
Igloo
Aug 28, 2012 12:35am
Good point. I dont think Muslim scholars would really have any objection to this.
Hasan Mehmood
Aug 28, 2012 12:40pm
I agree 100%. Dr. Afia is not being targeted for being Muslim or having said anything against Christianity.Why do people give irrelevant examples? Or are they simply desperate to side track the issue?
rehan
Aug 28, 2012 05:35am
correction : 35,000*
saju
Sep 02, 2012 07:07pm
no sense of commenting, as less than the 0.1% not able read in mail,but show must keep going, but thruths are bitter, find a solution, our generation to be left as free bird on their account beyount vail.
Rahul
Aug 31, 2012 03:14am
Patriotism should come first.
haroon rooha
Aug 28, 2012 02:12am
The fate of a thinking person , a thought full dissenter, an honest opposition ,is predetermined, in any dictatorship,OFF WITH THE HEAD/Cut the Head .Pakistan is a dictatorship,measure it any way. Wake up this not 14th century.
Mukesh
Aug 28, 2012 02:12am
Today I got my Australian Citizenship and I am grateful and happy that I can't be compelled now to go to Pakistan, especially being a Hindu, I don't have any desire to go back. May God give opportunity to all the suffering minorities and muslims in Pakistan to go abroad as it will take centuries to bring Pakistan back in the senses.
communist
Aug 28, 2012 03:21am
For sure i can have my blog publish in the headlines of Dawn. The simple reciepe is, either i have to crictical on Islam or Pakistan
Liberal
Aug 28, 2012 03:18am
Amazingly and sadly! How can you put together ethinic cleansing of Myanmar with the arrest of Rimsha. It is just like comparing killing of jews in wwII with the killing of a Palestinian. Not fair!
shaukat
Aug 28, 2012 03:13am
WELL SAID.
Pradeep
Aug 27, 2012 02:44pm
Courts are out there to dispense justice based on existing laws and people are those who make those laws.
Rahul
Aug 28, 2012 03:12am
Hats off to the brave reporter on writing a very reflective and thoughtful article. She is truly a patriot wanting the best for Pakistan. Unfortunately, the blasphemy law in Pakistan proves that the nation is progressively becoming a very backward country. Bending to the will of the fundamentalists will be the final nail towards the destruction of Pakistan as member of the family of civilized nations. Respect of human rights of all the citizens of the country is the key ingredient to success.
shaukat
Aug 28, 2012 03:12am
Please first define who is "Muslim". Your government in Pakistan knows how to define Islam. What is happening to "Muslims" in other parts of the world is also done by us Muslims. One thing you surely can do is to get rid of your damn "blasphemy law". We muslims have killed more people this year than any other religion.
Lakshmanan Krishnamurti
Aug 28, 2012 03:01am
The very existence of a blasphemy law is against the prinicple of separation of religion and state. That someone can be sentenced to death under such a law is barbaric.
afzaal
Aug 28, 2012 02:55am
Name me any other Islamic country which has a blasphemy law !
Aslam
Aug 28, 2012 02:51am
Till the Hell freezes over?
Aslam
Aug 28, 2012 02:49am
May be we read two different things, from what I see this article is anti bigotry not anti any state. She is the messenger and she is only pointing to what is happening in the so called land of pure, if some one doesn't want to hear the truth, I understand because often the truth is bitter and harsh.
Hamid Ali
Aug 28, 2012 04:24am
I totally Agree with you. Where are these writers when genocide off musilms being done in Babari mosque . Or Train incedient. These writers are paid only to criticise Pakistan. Have we seen Any Indian raising or trying to bend their laws for some muslim to give them security in their society . Why not Ms faiza a champion of human rights start thinking of something positive rather criticising Islam or Pakistan
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 06:52am
The colour of Pakistani flag should be changed ? That's a *lot* to suggest , even metaphorically speaking. I don't see our future as that bleak at all. Another article I read said that even the existing design of the flag was not appropriate since it "marginalised" the white colour. What sort of Pakistan are *you* proposing ? What should the flag of a "secular" Pakistan look like ??
Pramod
Aug 28, 2012 04:23am
Section 295A in The Indian Penal Code, 1860 295A. 5[ Deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.-- Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of 6[ citizens of India], 7[ by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise] insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to 8[ three years], or with fine, or with both.] Where did you find this law as blasphemy law and more over unlike Pakistan's blasphemy law, it is applicable for all the religion not only for Majority of the country(Hinduism).This laws shows the maturity of India. Dont think and perceive facts as per your convenience.
Farhan
Aug 28, 2012 11:34am
SHK, when other people would say such offensive stuff regarding my faith I wouldnt even care, you know why ? Because its simply not worth it, I wont pull out a gun or a knife and try to kill that person. The reason is that I dont need to prove to the world that my ideology and faith are the best, when my actions are proving elsewise, and before you jump onto any conclusion, I myself am a muslim as well btw.
Shahzad
Aug 28, 2012 04:22am
Agreed.
manish
Aug 28, 2012 04:17am
sorry sir, india doesn't owe, any person, anything. it itself is a very poor country. and with great difficulty it is trying to come out of the morass of colonisation, and then expect us to solve your mess, would be expecting too much from us.
Gamerwamer
Aug 27, 2012 07:31am
There is no need for Faiza or anyone else to portray what Pakistan government's stance is on minority protection. Facts speak for themselves. Powerful segments in Pakistan's military, civil society and judiciary sympathise with terrorists, radical Islam and hate mongers. No action will be taken improving the condition of Hindus or Christians or Shias or Ahamadis in Pakistan. The government should give them the option to migrate to India or anywhere they wish to go.
harvey
Aug 28, 2012 05:53am
Did u say centuries? You must be kidding.They are so ignorants they'll never learn.Fanatics.
Faiza Mirza
Aug 28, 2012 10:59am
So are you proposing that number of fatalities matter more than human lives?
Chaman
Aug 28, 2012 11:29am
How true
Anwar Amjad
Aug 28, 2012 04:14am
When did Quaid-e-Azam say that religion and state should be kept separate? Could the author please indicate the date and occasion.
Dawood Murtaza Mirza
Aug 28, 2012 04:08am
Your hate is clearly visible through choice of name "Shaib786". Have you ever considered that minorities living in west are treated as "human being are equal ". Why we hesitant to adopt same in Pakistan.
Dawood Murtaza Mirza
Aug 28, 2012 04:03am
Great effort by writer to highllight white part of our national Flag. I suggest government should change the criminal procedure for registering FIR. It should only be government to registered FIR rather than individual and must be done after proper investigation. Further, I think it will take decade to change the mentality of mob or general public. This will not be be achieved unless goverment provide education to rural areas, social justice to all class of society and most important of all proper punishment to mob mentality.
Think
Aug 28, 2012 11:29am
Agree SHK. But this is not just about saying things- it is about KILLING someone who is seen commiting blasphemy. Where is the love and forgiveness that every religion preaches?
Leftist
Aug 28, 2012 04:30am
"Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims-Hindus, Christians and Parsis
Hrleen
Aug 27, 2012 11:00pm
Little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The Indian law is not religion specific and does not carry a death penality and what you mean by used 18 times ? How many people have been arrested, charged and convicted ? and if convicted, what was the punishment ? These laws are to prevent people from hurting religious sentiments of any religion, not just one specific religion followed by the majority of the population. Do not quote penal codes just like that. Pakitan blasphemy laws are inherently biased and carry a death penality.
Virendra Kaul
Aug 28, 2012 04:29am
You want to gag these journalists from expressing themselves?
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 09:11am
because being Secular is exactly that. "Religion and state should be kept separate"...not possible at all. Like on all , Islam is a code of life and we can not separate it from our everyday dealings
El Cid
Aug 29, 2012 09:13pm
WHICH TEN? There is NO such thing. The Bible has two complete sets of Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 and Deut. 5:6-21). Further: Leviticus 19 has a partial set (see verses 3-4, 11-13, 15-16, 30, 32), and Exodus 34:10-26 considered a ritual[Ten] Decalogue. And Jewish tradition considers verse 2 (
dk
Aug 29, 2012 02:09am
Congrat.. Mukesh on your new found freedom. Hope you will still visit Pakistan and enjoy some of the food you are missing in OZ. Hope you will still cheer Green when playing with Yellow. Hope you will forgive rest of us for creating an environment that was conducive for citizen like you. Hope you can give back to the people in this country who need your help. Good luck and god bless. Pakistan
hwg
Aug 27, 2012 11:56pm
Apparently Pak government is doing a great service to the blasphemy victims by lodging them in jail immediately after the "crime" is reported. It provides them safety in jail from the fanatics. Such victims can be quietly deported somewhere else when the dust settles. They can be settled in various countries depending on their religion or sect.
Shaib786
Aug 27, 2012 11:58pm
I am seriously beginning to doubt who owns and funds Dawn.com, most of articles talk negative about Pakistan. In last two weeks editorials there is nothing positive written about Pakistan. One of the best ways to win a war is to convince enemy that you our intellectually superior and morally correct and may I day that Dawn and its allegiances are doing great job in alienating educated Pakistanis from its roots. I don
INDRA
Aug 28, 2012 05:22am
Hi Hamid sir , minorities are more safe in India, enjoying extra care of government. The government providing rs 25 thousands subsidy for muslims who wish to go to Mecca. No country in world offering this . In all countries all are equal, in India minorities are more equal, thats it. . look at minority Hindus, Christian and ahmadiyas in Pakistan . They fleeing pakistan. No minority in India fled country so far. Thanks Fazia for this humanitarian story
Majority
Aug 28, 2012 07:21am
Congratulations Mukesh. Wish you a good life in Australia. DO not forget that Pakistan is part of you and lives and makes you who you are ( I assume you originate from Pakistan). Though I understand your sentiments, but remember that it is very easy to become cannon fodder than to rise above the sentimental talk, sit up and start thinking. A majority of these poor souls who cherish the blasphemy law are only doing it because they have little else in their lives that they can truly contribute to and make a change, so they take a placebo and direct their anger towards ones who are even less unfortunate. The real issue is who mobilizes them? Those are the ones who should be held accountable and tried in a court of law with severe implications.
Krish Chennai
Aug 28, 2012 07:26am
@Thind Saab: Sat Sri Akaal, but I can't agree with you, because primarily, the contiguous countries of the sub-continent, meaning Bangladesh, India and Pakistan, are geographically one, even if not politically now. Because of this one factor, we have to necessarily all hang together, or else we shall all hang separately. So it is impossible to " put an end to its multi-cultural ties", in your words. I would like to smell the tandoor-chicken both in Lahore and in Amritsar, though I am a vegetarian and have been to neither city yet.
rehan
Aug 28, 2012 08:01am
Very true , Pakistan has a lot of plus points but our media would starve if we run out of conflicts , so it's their policy to keep adding fuel to fire so that the issues may keep burning
Devil
Aug 28, 2012 07:27am
Fabulous and brave piece of writing. Country where most of the people are living in a state of denial, acting like Ostriches by believing in the conspiracy theories and remaining few living in state of fear to speak anything against blasphemy law or against the atrocities on minorities, writing this piece suggests you still have people with solid spine and intellect. Good luck to the writer and keep it up ! We like you writings .... With Luv from the neighborhood !!
Majority
Aug 28, 2012 07:28am
@ Shaib786 As sentimental as you are I doubt that you take a moment of solace to figure things out. Assuming that "dawn and its allegiances" are what you so wrongly make them out to be, then 'enlighten' us with your vision of what Pakistan really is like today? I am all eyes to read about the Pakistan you live in where only "isolated occurrences of religious jingoism" occur. I must be on another planet then! Rest in peace!
Feroz
Aug 28, 2012 07:31am
Ameen, those who want to find God and Divinity will find it within themselves. Those wanting to delude themselves that God will be found in scriptures and places of worship are the ones making mother Earth a miserable place for the rest of HIS creations.
El Cid
Aug 28, 2012 07:32am
@Bashir Ahmed:
Majority
Aug 28, 2012 07:34am
@ El Cid Huh! So you do believe that the minorities are Pakistani citizens. Good to know, from your comment upwards it seems otherwise. Take some time and also read the comments of these "minorities" like Guest123 or Mukesh and read what they say. It will then open your eyes to the reality of what the authors writes and you irresponsibly banish her as ".......exploiting the tragedies of the other minorities
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 03:40am
In China, minority families are allowed as many children as they want, their children are sent to school, and minority students do not have to score as high on university entrance examinations as the Han Chinese to be admitted.
BHUKH
Aug 29, 2012 05:27am
yes is is a loss of humanity....which you cannot understand.....
Pramod
Aug 29, 2012 05:28am
Gujrat riots were communal riots . People of both the faiths were killed,when you protest against the Gujrats Muslims then you should also protest for people died in Godhra train burning(58 killed, 25 women, 15 children) which actyally spaked the riots and 254 hindus died in that and 790 Muslims.So both the communities lost lives in those riots. 4000 Shia's has been killed in Pakistan in last few years. number for other minorities can give you a very good number to protest against yourself. When you talk about Kashmir.You should also talk about the Hindu's and other communities of Kashmir who were either killed by terrorist or were forced to leave their home. You should also think that when till 1989 Kashmir was a peace full place how come things have changed suddenly. India has seen lot fo protest against these riots not only by Muslims but hindus as well. When you talk about numbers then never herard any protest against atrocities commited in Bangladesh or atricities commited by Idi Amin or atrocities killed by Saddam hussain's baaz party against Shia Muslim Nothing justifies the killing of human being when we protest we should protest for killing against any human being and not for the people of any particular community.
BHUKH
Aug 29, 2012 05:21am
Muslim was president and today Muslim is vice president.Muslim is chief election commissioner. and many of my friends are happy Indian Muslims.Muslims are growing and prospering in India.See the growth of Muslims in software companies in India.Please see the reality and check your facts.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 03:53am
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 03:20am
Paradise on Earth. Pakistan is just an earlier Heaven.
Vineeth
Aug 29, 2012 01:23pm
Fazal's view represent one extreme of the narrative by absolving one group from mistakes, and yours represent the other extreme by absolving the other group. Since the color of truth is grey, the reality should lie somewhere in between. The fact that the Indian state facilitated or failed to prevent the 1984 anti-Sikh riots and the 2002 Gujarat riots and allowed the culprits to walk scot-free is definitely a blot on our country's reputation of pluralism, and stress the need of making the CBI a truly independent investigation agency. And regarding Kashmir, it is apparent that it is an unresolved issue from the time of partition due to obvious reasons.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 03:56am
Those children with Down's Syndrome are completely guileless. None could be more innocent.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 04:05am
Criticizing one's own deficiencies is a precondition to inducing oneself to change for the better. Conversely, to glorify one's backward apathetic self is to establish and fortify backwardness, to strengthen the shackles of apathy, and to eradicate the capabilities of excellence. Backwardness is a shameful reality, which we should resent and from which we must liberate ourselves." Ibrahim al-Buleihi
Pramod
Aug 29, 2012 04:12am
using a law in a wrong way is the biggest lawlessness.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 04:10am
Thank You.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 04:16am
"We must all hang together, or we shall most assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 04:43am
Yes. You are right. People must compromise on the blasphemy law. that means people who falsely accuse others must be brought to trial. It is not law unless others fear to falsely accuse. One of the Ten Commandments from God's hand is "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." Think about it. Neighbor against neighbor or revenge against your neighbor is exactly what this Commandment speaks of.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 03:14am
Rehan, If God had to actually listen to humans he would destroy the world. "How could I have gotten this so badly wrong?" No one is on a divine mission breaking God's commandments.
Pramod
Aug 29, 2012 04:26am
Dear SHK , I saw one of the program Pakistani program where Muslim youth were refering Hindu as Hindu Dushman.Zaid Hamid and many other intelligent people like speak openly against Hindu' Christian, Sikh and Jews. on Pakistani TV channels . How many people you have heard (Not told by any maulvi) against Islam.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 04:34am
They will in the coming civil war.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 03:27am
Dawn is only trying to wake people up before it is too late. I thought a communist would be prepared for revolution. If you are not busy right now get up there in Waziristan and rebuild the schools for the people. Help them with their harvests.
ali
Aug 27, 2012 02:36pm
Surely ..the corruption in haj scam is gravely more blasphemous than any of the petty accusations that we see in the news. To me it seems like the mullah clan is just watching each others back. Never have the so called Imams of mosques stood up to burn the house of 'Religious' ministers who have performed the unthinkable most abominable act of looting money from Haj Pilgrims.
El Cid
Sep 03, 2012 07:43am
jtar
Sep 02, 2012 01:51pm
So now it has been confirmed that the Imam of the local mosque Khalid Chisti has been arrested for planting the evidence! (and desecrating a Quran!) to help in getting Christians expelled from his area. What punishment should we expect to see now?
El Cid
Sep 03, 2012 06:17am
jtar
Sep 02, 2012 01:49pm
So now it has been confrmed that the Imam of the local mosque Khalid Chisti has been arrested for planting the evidence! (and desecrating a Quran!) to help in getting Christians expelled from his area. What punishment should we expect to see now?
Vasu
Aug 27, 2012 06:46pm
If hindu leaders were not for creating equal right for muslims then India would have been called " Hindurastra" I cannot believe you are so ignorant. Indian constitution has not only guaranteed equal rights in everything for muslims but also gives reservations/subsidies etc. Have you heard of Haj subsidies in india? Do you have similar things for Hindus/Christians or Sikhs? Wake up and look around the world before taking non-sense!
thepakistani
Aug 28, 2012 11:13pm
Dasies are very good in coping other's work...and presenting as their own...and do remember I said dasies not MUSLIMS.....
Cyrus Howell
Aug 29, 2012 02:53am
Ever fight a war El Cid? Syria needs fighters. Go out and get some practice, you'll soon need it.. If you are so patriotic join Pakistan's military.
Vineeth
Aug 28, 2012 08:08am
I do not agree to many of the views of Feroz above (for eg: a person suffers now due to sins in previous lives.) I do not agree to many of the views espoused in Hindu scriptures, especially those related to caste. But I too can call myself a Hindu, as introspection, self-criticism, renewal and perpetual change constitute the core of the Hindu philosophy, not dogmas.
rehan
Aug 28, 2012 08:09am
I was actually told that my 'beloved' Taliban killed 35,000 people. I wonder who are the US drones killing . Maybe the US Drones don't even exist and I am just hallucinating them as I am not an enlightened Secularist !!!
Aamir
Aug 27, 2012 12:31pm
The aspect depicted in this article is even hated by patriotic Pakistanis. So shall we call them Indians too. Look at the problem not the national origins of those who talk against it.
Cyrus Howell
Aug 28, 2012 09:23pm
The Land mafia is not in favor of social justice. I suggest Harry Potter wave his magic wand and get rid of them. The present government is loyal only to their own class.
rehan
Aug 27, 2012 12:28pm
True , not everything revolves around Islam . Islam never claimed that... it's Secularism that claims to be the solution to everything . !
Vasu
Aug 27, 2012 06:40pm
You cannot expect everyone to write the things you wanted or wished. If so, who will write about the minorities? Will you? If someone is looking for cheap publicity as you imply, then they would be writing on stuff that people like you feel happy about. But she is not. She is brave enough to write something that irritates people like you or much severe maniacs like that guy who killed Salman Taseer. Kudos to her for honest journalism.
cosmo
Aug 27, 2012 09:29pm
ok, but can you name me 1 single incident in India,germany,greece or the other countries that you mentioned where blasphemy laws have been used as they have been in Pakistan?
shazi
Aug 28, 2012 12:21pm
This well-staged Rimshah Mashi drama; which was precisely and timely broadcasted by world's 'rightous and truthful' media and which is being trumpted at well-planned frequency by essentially God-less secular corners, would never be able to equate the 21 innocent civilians (mostly girls and children) killed in three consecutive drone strikes in Pakistan, the same day. Rimsha is still alive and inshallah, and those who fear Allah SWT would help that innocent kid get rid of this artifical custody imposed upon her ......... But what about those innocent girls ......... who were killed because they were best of the muslims? Can author highlight the causes of such double standards in her next article?