Indian stars accused of misusing top Muslim shrine

Published Jul 23, 2012 07:20am

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Indian Bollywood actor Amitabh Bachchan carries a religious cloth on his head during a visit to the shrine of Sufi Saint Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti in Ajmer on July 4, 2011. - File Photo by AFP

NEW DELHI: The head of one of the most important Muslim shrines in India has complained about Bollywood stars misusing the site to pray for their “sinful” films to be commercially successful.

Zainul Abedin Ali Khan, who leads the organisation in charge of the Ajmer shrine in Rajasthan, said that celebrity pilgrims were appealing for movies that often featured immoral subjects that insulted Islam.

“Many film stars come here with (a) CD or DVD of their work and offer it while praying for the success of the film or serial, whatever it is, which is absolutely against the Islamic law,” Khan told reporters in Ajmer on Sunday.

“They are using the holy place, a prime centre of religious belief, for purely commercial purposes and for degrading moral values among people,” the Press Trust of India news agency quoted him as saying.

The shrine to sufi saint Muin-ud-din Chishti, who died in Ajmer in the 13th century, is one of south Asia's most important pilgrimage sites, attracting millions of Muslim and non-Muslim devotees from around the world every year.

Khan did not name any stars, but glamorous actresses Katrina Kaif and Kareena Kapoor, veteran leading man Amitabh Bachchan and heartthrob Shah Rukh Khan are among many Bollywood personalities to have visited in the past.

“Most of the films today are full of obscenity, double meaning words and expressions,” Khan explained. “It is hateful and sinful.

“I strongly condemn and object to the visit of film actors, actresses, directors and producers to the dargah (shrine) to seek blessings for such things which are taboo.”

Khan also complained that an unnamed male singer-composer visited the shrine wearing a burqa and that a leading actress offered prayers while dressed in a skirt.

“This is to attract attention and it is highly objectionable,” he said.

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Aam Aadami
Jul 23, 2012 10:42am
I think camera becomes most fascinated when any celebrity visits such holy place. Sub-continent people can't resist to show their face on it including shrine mgmt. It's big accomplish task they feel and in process spoil sanctity of place.
Ben Rose
Jul 25, 2012 08:52am
The grave of Muhammad, the founder of Islam, located in Medina , is also a religious site. Muhammad is a demi-god for Muslims. Non-Muslims are not allowed in Medina where Jews were the majority at one time until Muhammad expelled them from all of Arabia.
Rayaz
Jul 23, 2012 08:55am
I am Ajmeri and live in London. I was at the Durgah Sharif 3 years ago. I had a camera which the guards did not allow me to take it inside. I was asked to take it to a despository 300 yards away, which I did. How come these actors can take such things as cameras inside? And to use the photos or films for commercial purposes is despicable act. If anyone is found to be involved with such activities must be banned fronm the Durgah for ever. Rayaz
N.D.Q
Jul 23, 2012 12:39pm
Sikhs were also hindus before the conversion. Sikhs mixed and incorporated two totally different philosophies of Islam and Hinduism together into one religion.
Ahmed
Jul 23, 2012 04:35pm
for me the seeking ALLAH doesnot need a place or shrine, I just start talking to ALLAH, begging His mercy on humanity in general , and muslim in particualr. Shrinism is invidual choice, but i am for one direct connection. ALLAH is for everyone, you do not need a sifarish. Ahmed
Waqar
Jul 23, 2012 09:42am
Good question... One of the reason may be that the people of the sub-continent considers these shrines more closer to them than GOD Almighty...
Waqas
Jul 23, 2012 12:37pm
Usman, What do you call the following: Sheikh Mursi (shrine in Alexandria Egypt) Sheikh Ash-Shadhili (Shrine in Cairo Egypt) Sheikh Moulay Idris (Shrine in Fez , Morroco) Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (Shrine in Baghdad, Iraq) Imam Abu Hanifa (Shrine in Baghdad,Iraq) In fact many Shrines built in Iraq and Syria and Palestine, Saudia etc too many for me too name them all. Oh buy the way just in case you have forgotten: Sayiddina Mohammed (saw) (Shrine built by the Sahaba, Medina,Hejaz, Saudi) Sayidina Abu Bakr (RA) (Shrine built by Sahaba , Medina, Hejaz, Saudi) Sayidina Omar (RA) (Shrine built by Sahaba, Medina, Saudi) And many more Shahaba Shrines exist in Damascus Khalid bin Walid, Bilal al Habshi etc. All these shrines are visited by thousands in the case of Sayidina Mohammed, Abu Bakr & Omar millions of people all year round. Every place where religous shrines exist people remember them and commemorate moulids.
Ammar
Jul 23, 2012 11:41am
Yah these are not meant for 'god' connections
Mohammad A Malick
Jul 23, 2012 03:50pm
Halwapuri ; you have hit the nail in the head. No more discussion is needed here.
Zardari-lover
Jul 24, 2012 07:29am
Zardari has immunity by being the President of Pakistan.Pakistanis should worship his shrine and kiss his feet everyday
Ben Rose
Jul 25, 2012 08:58am
The fastest growing religion in America is Buddhism, not Islam. Most converts to Islam are African-Americans who convert because they think Christianity is the white man's religion. Also when non-Muslims marry Muslims in America, mostly white women they have to convert because their husbands insist.. But most of the growth is from the high birth rates among Muslims. As more people come to know the truth about Islam fewer and fewer people are attracted to it. Also for every non-Muslim that becomes a Muslim, two Muslims leave Islam but keep quite about it.
Abduallah
Jul 25, 2012 08:12am
Quran allows one to seek waseela towards Allah, do you know what waseela is all about?
muraligv
Jul 24, 2012 03:28pm
No doubt, a star has to be condemned for using religious site for film promotion. But the truth is, the religions scholars are actually towing the lines of hard line religious extremest in Ajmer too which is very unfortunate considering the fact that it is one of very few places of religious harmony in subcontinent. The scholars are resorting to the lines that say "movies are banned in Islam, music is banned in Islam etc etc., Where are we heading? Well, all credit to DAWN for reporting but not judging.
truth
Jul 23, 2012 07:36am
Who is this mullah to stop anyone to come?
sunil
Jul 23, 2012 03:31pm
@Fida: so are temples, mosques, churches and other 'religious places'!!
Elsa
Jul 23, 2012 03:22pm
The Qur'an calls it shirk. The media is trying to change that.
KAnsari
Jul 23, 2012 03:19pm
'Sufism and force were two main ways " What evidence have you seen or read about force conversion?? Jews still considers the Muslim rule of Jerusalem as the most peaceful era of their history. what you are telling us about India doesn't sound to be true. And if for a second it is accepted at truth then please explain that how come after 1000 years of force there still are more than 85% Hindus in india?? you my like to read De Lacy O'Leary in the acclaimed book "Islam at the Cross-Road", correct some of your misconceptions.
Alicia
Jul 23, 2012 03:18pm
Who? The Qur'an. Not visiting Shrine, but praying through the soul of one buried their. That is shirk. Prayers at to Allah only. The Quran says so.
Sadu
Jul 23, 2012 03:08pm
The uneducated have lived in same sub-culture too long. Shrine Culture is an adaption, an off-shoot of Hindu Temple Culture. Nothing Islamic about it.
manish
Jul 24, 2012 07:40am
SO?
B R Chawla
Jul 23, 2012 02:50pm
Faith is like a bird that sees the light while it is stiill dark. What is the problem with any one having faith in be it a shrine, a temple, a church, a mosque or whaever so long he draws solace or peace- real or notional or imaginary. So long as he or she does not compell others to covert to his faith. Let religion be a personal affair or Akida. Why sit on judgement on the holy acts of others. The prophet always had respect for the faith of others. Chawla
rizwan
Jul 23, 2012 02:15pm
These so called shrines are nothing but money making mints for the descendants etc, of long dead Pirs who must be spinning in their tombs about what all goes on after they have left this world!
Shafiq
Jul 23, 2012 01:54pm
what is "Muslim shrines" ??? what shrines has to do with Islam?
Inaam ali
Jul 23, 2012 01:47pm
The shrine to sufi saint Muin-ud-din Chishti, who died in Ajmer in the 13th century, is one of south Asia’s most important pilgrimage sites, attracting millions of Muslim and non-Muslim devotees from around the world every year. Wa Suhban Allah,, i wish i could visit the shrine of great Waliallah in Ajmar Sharif. I agree for Mr T Singh, its the love and soft heart of sufi saints by the order of Khalifias in Makkah where sent to visit India to spread the word of Almighty, it was saint Muin-ud-din Chishti who single handedly converted 800,000 to Islam. and are continuing to do so.
asif
Jul 23, 2012 11:05am
Well guys stop being judgmental, who are we to judge anybody. Stay in your religion and let others practice what gives them peace and harmony. I do not like these shrines either but it is not my place to judge anybody.
asim
Jul 24, 2012 01:28pm
continue.....Aren't we doing the same thing...making these great scholars and servants of Islam a way to connect with Allah.....eventhough, Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam has already told us that the direct connection with Allah can be made through Namaaz. I have been to one of these 'religious' shrines and Astaghfirullah...i saw people prostrating in front of the grave, offering prayers and making dua thinking they will intercede on their behalf .....Isn't this all SHIRK??? We believe in One God only and we ask dua and offer prayers to HIM and HIM only.... May Allah (SWT) forgive me if i had said anything wrong...
asim
Jul 24, 2012 01:26pm
He didn't say that they were ordinary people....we all accept that we are muslims today because of the efforts of these great scholars..... BUT to make a shrine at their gravesite and offer prayers to them and asking them to make 'shafaa't' for us is SHIRK.....They have already passed away from this world....They have no connection with this world...they dont' hear our prayers or anything for that matter.....What's the difference between us and Hindu then??? They believe in one God as well, "Vishnu", but they believe that all the other gods are a way to get to Vishnu....
Varun
Jul 24, 2012 10:00am
Google islam-watch.org.
aleena
Jul 26, 2012 11:14am
if Islam is an enforce religion (except force of love and equality) why people visit shrines like this to get their wishes fulfilled??? even Amitab bachan jee who didn't even invited any Muslim to their son's marriage because it was Ashub. please stop fighting its of no use.... ISLAM means Peace to ALL not only to Muslims
Jam
Jul 23, 2012 09:02am
What do you thnk of Zardari visitng the shrine?
Silajit
Jul 26, 2012 08:57pm
Everybody prays for success in their endeavors, in their business, in their family life, in their ability to overcome bad times. Who gives us (or the mullahs or priests) the right to police or to judge whether those endeavors are desirable, noble, well deserved or not? Picking on actors, Hindus or not is over the top, it is arbitrary and it is shameful. The spiritual interaction is between the devotee/fraud and the person to whom the shrine is dedicated. It is not the business of the priest/mullah to interfere in the matter.
Ahmed Jumma
Jul 27, 2012 04:10am
Dear Abdullah, Assalamoalaikum, First you should understand what you are talking about and what authentic source you are applying. WASEELA means to make someone (Wali) to pray for you for your any special requirement, but Nabi Karim s.a.w.w. said pray to Allah Almighty directly as He has removed all the (70) curtains between his Ummatis (Muslims). However, first of all you promise a perfect "toba" of your sins to Allah Almighty and then ask for anything you want. Please remember never ask for money as Allah never likes it while Devil wants money for you.
Ahmed Jumma
Jul 27, 2012 04:29am
Dear Alicia, you are quite right. Quran is the authentic source to follow, not the so called Muslims who have ruined the values of Islam. All prophets preached not to make any partner with Allah Subhanutaala but some Firqas are adamant to do so against the verses of Quran.
N Kumar
Jul 23, 2012 12:21pm
I fully agree with the views each religion has its beliefs which are to be observed while visiting these places of worship and he is absolutely right in saying so
Waqas
Jul 23, 2012 12:17pm
Says who???? A religous place is where Gods name is chanted through prayers and a shrine only is there due to a religous person being buried in the vicinity.
Usman Ahmad
Jul 23, 2012 09:15am
This shrine culture is located only in Indo-Pak due to lack of knowledge.Go study Islam first.And this is a money matters.Main thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.millions and millions:nothing else.
Usman Ahmad
Jul 23, 2012 09:18am
This shrine culture is located only in Indo-Pak due to lack of knowledge.Go study Islam first.And this is a money matters.Main thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.millions and millions:nothing else.
fida sayani
Jul 23, 2012 09:45am
how about banning politicians, generals, industrials and civil servants who are also as much morally and spiritually corrupt from entering the shrines.
znadz
Jul 23, 2012 09:39am
Cause weakness of iman & shirk is more common in this part of world
Waqas
Jul 23, 2012 12:15pm
This shrine Culture is not only in India-Pak Sub continent but also all over Africa including the Arab parts of Africa, Middle East. The difference is that a big chunk of Muslim people live on the sub continent approx 600 Million if you include bangladesh that is why we get to see more of it here than other parts. But I can assure you there arem any shrines accross Morrocco all the way to Indonesia.
Imran
Jul 23, 2012 10:16am
Who is anyone to call Shrine visits as shirk. And by the way visiting shirnes is not uncommon in Arabia/Western world as well so stop being so narrow minded.
Aam Aadami
Jul 23, 2012 10:05am
Is it proper to worship in Dargah? Is this only happen in sub-continent? or it's even presence in other part of world.
HalwaPuri
Jul 23, 2012 11:34am
How did the grave of a person become a religious site? Sadly this is simply a business empire built upon superstition, lack of education, naivety and corrupted people.
fida sayani
Jul 23, 2012 11:18am
shrines themselves are dubious.
reh
Jul 23, 2012 04:17pm
absolutly right...i am totally agreed...this all shirk and biddat and its because we been living with diffrent culture and people of diffrent believes
Dixit
Jul 23, 2012 11:45am
Be it religion or terrorism, money is playing very important role.
Naseer Qureshi
Jul 23, 2012 01:04pm
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) strongly forbade muslims to worship at or to the graves of dead people. In his last sermon, Hijjat ul wida, He said "O people do not pray to my grave as people before you have done" . Muhammad rejectd strongly the idea of grave worshipping or asking for help from the dead regardless whoever they are. If any muslim pray to the grave of any dead scholar, pir, sufi or anything whatsoever is committing a shirk (making partners with Allah).
Tahira Arshed
Jul 23, 2012 01:03pm
How are the shrine keepers paid and by whom? Let the saint's body rest in peace in his grave. He can not grant any ones wishes. This myth was invented by the keepers to get money from those who do not consider Allah as a the provider. It is against Islam to visit any grave for any purpose other than offering Fatiha for the deceased. Stop the crowds visiting for any other purpose and carrying tons of Mithai and money really to keep the keepers of the shrine happy and quiet. Those pious keepers will disappear when they get no perks from the visitors who will only offer Fatiha and leave no tips for the keepers. This shirk will stop easily.
dr zahoor
Jul 23, 2012 07:32am
This is a source of income to the care takers of the dargah and they are happy to do it and continue it. They will not let it go easily. In fact these people are the one who exploit religion for their interests and benefits. Honest means or otherwise they are concerned with the money. The body who is responsible for this shrine should have developed a code of conduct regarding all matters based on the principles of religion and belief. However they are unlikely to do it as it will reduce their donations which is in millions and can not afford to loose that income.
Waqar
Jul 23, 2012 12:59pm
1. Just wanted to say that SUFISM is not ISLAM... But there may be people who are Muslims but also practice SUFISM. 2. Music became part of SUFISM/ISLAM in India because of the importance of Music in the lives on the non-Muslims of India. 3. I would appreciate if you can write some evidences that you know of when people converted to Islam because of FORCE.
Indian
Jul 23, 2012 07:38am
I agree with the religious head. Religious sites are no places for glamour. People go there to find solace and to connect with God. going to any shrine or temple for scuh glamour purpose should be avoided.
syed
Jul 23, 2012 07:50am
non muslim and Muslim both are doing against Islam .worth ship of any one like this is not allow in Islam.They all are human not a god like in India
Umair Azfar
Jul 23, 2012 07:55am
Funny, having a shrine is unislamic to begin with!
t singh
Jul 23, 2012 08:04am
Sufism and force were two main ways with which indians or pakistani muslim got converted to islam. sufism is full of music. head of khwaja dargarh said music is banned in islam. so way with which people adopted islam is unislamic for them now. or is sufism is just to show soft face of islam. after joining islam by sufism u have to abandon this way. and have to join strict islamic way. same is happening in Pakistan where fundamentalists are destroying sufi shrines. they should remeber that they were converted just because of force or sufism.
Abdul Waheed
Jul 23, 2012 08:10am
We should avoid Narrowmindedness and be openhearted. .
LCS
Jul 23, 2012 12:31pm
Some of you are just ignorant. No need to issue a decree (fatwa) regarding any religious or spiritual matter, especially if you yourselves have limited knowledge. Each religion's interpretation is subject to the culture within which it is practiced. Islam is different in different parts of the world. So open up your (inner) eyes and then you will see how various paths lead to the same destination.
Canadian Muslim
Jul 23, 2012 08:27am
Having a 'shrine' and praying to anyone other than Allah is shirk, and asking someone to intercede on your behalf is also un islamic, I would be pleased if the media stopped calling this new practice of idolatry islamic. I have no issues with our hindu brethren, just don't want the confused mixture of our two religions to be confused with Islam.
Moiz
Jul 23, 2012 08:45am
Why this shrine culture is only in Indo-Pak sub-continent ?
Muhammad
Jul 23, 2012 08:53am
Thanks Dawn for publishing this story. All such visits that have dubious aims should be strongly discouraged regardless be that by film stars or political stars. God save us from both types of species.
Waqas
Jul 23, 2012 12:24pm
Waqar, When you go to Mecca and you see the Kaaaba in all its glory in front of you what would be your reaction. Obviously like most of us you will feel more close to Allah then anywhere in the World. For some it the Jalal of Allah will make them cry for mercy. Why?????? Is it because you wil lfeel the bricks of the Kaaaba more closer than God himself. Of course not but when you are close to anything accosiated with God then it will naturally bring you closer to Allah.
Mudassir Hussain
Jul 23, 2012 08:53am
Different places demand different protocols. I seriously doubt that an individual is allowed to see Her Majesty, Queen of England wearing jeans and T Shirt. It is not the matter of being narrow minded, its rather a matter of using your mind in an adequate manner.
reh
Jul 23, 2012 04:31pm
what the heck this sufiizm is ?...its totally business...some one prove me this so called sufi izm...its un islamic going to any shrine is islamic but what the people doing there is totally un-islamic
ysk
Jul 23, 2012 09:55am
To call a Shrine a religious place is WRONG anyway.
kashif akhtar
Jul 24, 2012 11:37am
Going to shrine is not Un-Islamic. Going to shrine and asking the grave to full fill their need is Un-Islamic. Going to shrine to Pray Fateha is totally fine in my opinion/
EQ8Rhomes
Jul 23, 2012 05:09pm
Religion is business. It is no longer the original source of education and community uplift. Now the BIGGEST and Fanciest prayer house only will do. Religion is an industry. That's why prices rise in Pakistan during Ramazan/Ramadan. The money changers have just moved and "Plus ca change, sone change pas"!
EQ8Rhomes
Jul 23, 2012 05:22pm
I have read that Saudi Arabia has demolished the home and other sites of Muhammed's life in order to prevent the creation of "shrines". It's an Islamic community's choice and it has historical implications.
ahmad butt
Jul 24, 2012 07:31am
This is how the West won the subcontinent, they became first world, and in the sub-continent we have jahil and their enlightened partners called parhay likhay jahil....
EQ8Rhomes
Jul 23, 2012 05:24pm
W H Y?
Haider
Jul 23, 2012 05:48pm
Any place that you go and pray to Allah can be a religious site. If it weren't for these great men, you and I both would be going to mandar and hating muslims like the rest of the world.
Rahul
Jul 23, 2012 05:53pm
Can you provide evidence that 100s of years ago all the people who converted to Islam were not converted by force? At present in Pakistan itself people are being converted to Islam by force. I read that news on Dawn website you can search it and read it.
Guest
Jul 23, 2012 06:04pm
Paying respect to grave is not worshipping a grave.
Javaid
Jul 23, 2012 06:15pm
nobody worships at a grave, they are asking the respectable saint's soul to intercede on their behalf in from of Allah. If your Dad or Uncle died & you went to their grave to pray fateha, it doesnot mean that you are worshiping their grave. There is no Hadith that says praying at a grave is shirk (making partners with Allah), don't make Hadiths on your own whims, thats a Shirk. Do you think that our Muslim Pakistani Soldiers who go to the Grave of Quaid-e-Azam or Allama Iqbal or other scholars, leaders etc, to pay homage & pray on 14-August and other days... are committing shirk?
aman
Jul 23, 2012 09:12pm
so why a muslim never go inside in a temple in his whole life bt a hindu never think about this narrow mindeness hi is faithful for all religion cmpare to a muslims
taranveer singh
Jul 24, 2012 12:38pm
Sikhism is totally different than Islam and Hinduism . you people knw nothing except Islam. search difference between Sikhism n Islam.
tjholmes
Jul 24, 2012 12:36pm
That is because of high rate of breeding and immigration, not because new people are accepting muslim faith. Get your facts right!!
Agha Ata
Jul 23, 2012 10:46pm
Why to separate business from religion? Business is to sustain life on this earth. Everybody does some kind of business. If business is something foreign for religions then where would the business people go for guidance? Of course, they can come to the shrines for better life and better future.
Ahmed Jumma
Jul 28, 2012 04:37am
Dear Praveen, the greatest saints (friends of Allah) are Aboobakar, Umar, Usman and Ali, but Muslims can not ask them to pray to Allah for them. Muslims are advised to contact directly to Allah. Although Muhammad s.a.w.w. is the leader of all the 124,000 prophets, he had advised never make a shrine for him nor make my graveyard a place of prostrating. Only contact directly to Allah Subhahutaala.
syed saboor
Jul 23, 2012 11:25pm
Mystical Dimensions of Islam is Sufism as popularly known .No religion is complete without an estatic dimension somthing in humanbeings wants to keep religion from being simply ritual purely rational,solely ethical, and only theology,so acorrective eventually expressies itself in the form of mysticism(tasawwuf) Mysticism is not the religion, it is an inescapable element in all authentic reigions. As Paul tillich used to say, ecstacy prevent religion from becoming "moralized love and intellectualized faith" Most religous founders combine these dimensions in their lives and thought. They emphasiize that our reltionship to the divine include both thinking and acting correctly and experiencing God directly. xp. Annemarie Schimmel in her book on sufism, Mystical Dimensions of Islam relates and discusses these issues The Sufi Saints of South Asia are practisioners of these traditions
P T O
Jul 23, 2012 11:27pm
yeah exactly but sikhs are considered to be more advansed hindus n reformists hence they are respected more in hinduism too
Gautham
Jul 23, 2012 11:36pm
I don't think this will change. Devotees will simply flock to another shrine if the caretaker of the shrine can do a better advertisement. At the end of the day humans expect God to take of them (their fears, desires etc) in this world. Not everyone is a believer in paradise or salvation. A shrine or a God become popular only when there are enough people to visit the shrine or pray the God. A broader mindset will not put conditions on who should visit and who should not and an individual is left to his own devices in attaining/not attaining salvation. Nevertheless, the customs of the shrine (like dess code etc)must be respected.
Gautham
Jul 23, 2012 11:38pm
I think you have to understand that non-Muslim or Muslim is going to Ajmer not to figure out what Islam is. They are going to get their prayers answered and everyone believes that it is a powerful shrine to get one's prayers answered.
Gautham
Jul 23, 2012 11:46pm
Mr Quereshi, I think most reactionary Pakistanis like you just don't get it. Most Indians don't flock to temples or mosques to understand Hinduism or Islam. They go to get their prayers answered. To them it does not matter what Gita says or Quran says as long as their faith in something (mosque, temple, Allah, god etc) is reciprocated. Otherwise, there is a whole world of arm chair scholars like you to interpret and reinterpret religion and who said what in which century.
Ahmed Jumma
Jul 28, 2012 04:42am
Dear Virkau, If Islam had forced to convert by sword then in India everybody was Muslim. Do you not know that there are millions of non-Muslims in Islamic countries. You know Islam is the religion of God so how one can be allowed to use force. Allah Almighty is the Master of day of judgement.
Praveen
Jul 24, 2012 01:11pm
You are too good!! Appreciate your responses!! People like you hold a mirror to the hundreds of ill advised internet based self centred religious fanatics!
Sam
Jul 24, 2012 04:06am
Absolutely wrong.
Sam
Jul 24, 2012 04:08am
You are carrying Saudi distorted version of Islam.
haris
Jul 24, 2012 04:31am
he is not a mullah...he is a care taker.... chill
Sumeet
Jul 24, 2012 11:14am
Hey buddy... What's wrong with going to Mandirs?
fahdabbasy
Jul 24, 2012 04:53am
sufism is contradiction to Islamic principles. It must be abandoned
Aamir
Jul 24, 2012 05:14am
Please try to understand Islam first. Conversion to Islam is not through songs or singing. Sufis were not singers nor entertainers. they were devotees dedicated to Oneness of Allah.It is the people who misunderstood the whole theme and now consider the saints as projectionists through the world of music. what we see around is absolutely imaginative perception of Islam and has nothing to do with it in correct perspective. Moreover, what Talibaan are projecting is absolutely misperceived Islam. Sir, Islams basics are based on "forgiveness". If people are not ready to follow the real teachings, it their fault not of the true religion
Komal S
Jul 24, 2012 05:40am
People have a right to pray to whatever they want. I am not sure how these guys can call it misuse. Hopefully voices like these are ignored.
Rattan
Jul 24, 2012 05:54am
there was no forced conversions from hindus to sikhs - see the difference?
Fazal Mohammed
Jul 24, 2012 06:09am
Ha ha ha you need evidence for the conversion?. By the by i am doing research in mughal history. Waqar try read history books which are not written by pakis or indians .You will get an unbiased view. Dear, islamic conversions in india were mainly using force except in some areas like kerala.
Shehla Najib
Jul 24, 2012 06:10am
The substance of Sufism is the Truth and the meaning of Sufism is the selfless experiencing and actualization of the Truth. The practice of Sufism is the intention to go towards the Truth, by means of love and devotion. For heavens sake live and let live. Actors are humans too, may be they want to look for some actualization of divine ethics!
hinduismglance
Jul 24, 2012 06:23am
This view is enhanced by the fact that today, particularly in the West or in India, there are Sufis who proclaim the unity of all religions, and some who believe in Karma and rebirth, practice vegetarianism, and otherwise appear more as part of the yogic tradition than what most people, including Muslims, would consider to be representative of Islam.The view assumes two points that are questionable, even by Muslims. The first is that a Sufi-type mysticism was represented by Mohammed himself. The second is that Sufi mysticism is of the same nature as yogic traditions. Most Muslims do not accept that Mohammed, or Islam based upon him, is in harmony with Sufism. In fact, orthodox Islam generally opposes the Sufies.Sufis were portrayed as yogis in India to make Islam appear attractive to Hindus, not because the Sufis had achieved such inner realization or were even seeking it. Often the grave of a Sufi was placed on a Hindu temple and the power of the place was attributed to the Sufi in order to convert Hindus. Such manufactured saints were really militant people, glorified afterwards in stories for propaganda purposes.
chakraborty
Jul 24, 2012 06:33am
Ans. 1 : You cannot define what Islam is. Just as there are different Sects in Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism - Islam also has sects. Accept it and dont be rigid in your thoughts Ans. 2 : Music in Sufism may be inspired by Non Muslims in India but it has evolved on its own with time. Ans.3 : Most of the memoirs of Taimur, Ghori, Ghaznavi etc. etc. etc. which are written by Muslim Historians are evidence which clearly state how infidels were killed and converted. Heavy Taxes, Social and Economic Pressure was done to promote conversion. Guru Teg Bahadur - 8th Sikh Guru Died to defend kashmiri pandits conversion asked by Aurangzeb.
chakraborty
Jul 24, 2012 06:36am
There are 333 tombs in Timbuktu - Mali Africa itself. Its called city of saints. I think u got the answer
Mustaf
Jul 24, 2012 06:44am
may Allah save Islam from fundamentalists.
chakraborty
Jul 24, 2012 06:56am
Dawn has posted this article for reflecting the use of a popular shrine (Ajmer Sharif) as a marketing centre. People go there for getting blessings and get out of diseases, debt etc. etc. Unfortunately this article has turned into a Barelvi Bashing thing. As per my experience i can say A sufi is a better Human than a political Wahhabi Shirk or no Shirk - The heart of a Sufi has less of Hatred, the viewpoint less perochial, message more global and humane
LAHORE
Jul 24, 2012 08:19am
VERY SAD TO SEE THAT NOBODY ON THIS FORUM SPEAKS ON BEHALF OF BEING A MUSLIM. YET AGAIN WE HAVE WAHABI , BARELVI ETC. ETC. MARKING POINTS ON EACH OTHER. IS IT ALWAYS ABOUT YOURSELF. CANT WE FOR ONCE SPEAK ON THE BASIS OF BEING A MUSLIM REGARDLESS OF WHICH GROUP WE BELONG TO OFFERING FATEHA ON A GRAVE IS NOT FORBIDDEN. GOING TO A GRAVEYARD IS ALSO NOT FORBIDDEN. ISLAM IS A SIMPLE RELIGION AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE MADE IT COMPLICATED AND DIFFICULT. ALSO EACH ONE OF US WILL BE JUDGED BY ALLAH ON OUR ACTIONS AND INTENTIONS. SO LETS KEEP TO OURSELVES AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER PERSON IS DOING.
chakraborty
Jul 24, 2012 08:30am
So you mean to say - Moinuddin Chisty, Nizamuddin Auliya, Fariduddin Ganjshakar, Shahbaz Qalandar..................... were ordinary people ??? And you are saying that people who get blessings from these shrines are false. Its marketing business since 1200 AD............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think in your view The People who Bomb the shrines are real Muslims Right !!!
Zehra
Jul 24, 2012 08:39am
VERY WELL SAID....... :-)
KAKVI
Jul 24, 2012 08:45am
ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN AMERICA, YOU THINK CONVERTING ISLAM BY FORCE ?
Praveen
Jul 24, 2012 01:05pm
Then why do all Muslims go to Makkah. Why do you feel closer to God when u visit Makkah/Madina.?
kashif akhtar
Jul 24, 2012 11:34am
Sects were made post Khilafat period by the people for their own interest. If one follows the teaching of the Prophet and Quran there are no sects. Also, Dont think Jesus taught his followers to be catholic or protestant... or did he?? :)
anony
Jul 24, 2012 05:08pm
ABsolutely agree with you, Usman AHmed
anony
Jul 24, 2012 05:09pm
I totally agree with you 'Canadian Muslim'. Thank you for speaking up against SHIRK that is being spread around. I'm shocked that most muslims are not saying anything regarding this here.
anony
Jul 24, 2012 05:12pm
ABsolutely agree with you Naseer Qureshi
anony
Jul 24, 2012 05:13pm
Gautham, your attempt to consider hinduism and islam is of no use. Hinduism is worshipping idols which is 'STRICTLY FORBIDDEN" in Islam. Infact, thats the first thing you start to believe in when you become a muslim.
anony
Jul 24, 2012 05:15pm
Because for hindus, there are thousands n thousands of gods. They pray to any and everything. FOr muslims, there is only 1 God. I'm surprised you didnt know this basic thing (or maybe just trying to be naive).
anony
Jul 24, 2012 05:16pm
Absolutely agree with you Rizwan.
anony
Jul 24, 2012 05:17pm
You couldn't have said it any more accurately, Ahmed. Thank you.
CBCT
Jul 25, 2012 03:46pm
Visiting shrines are NOT part of our aqeedah. Such visits are wrong. Expecting these dead people to communicate with Allah on our behalf is wrong. To pray to Allah, you can pray equally effectively from your home. You do not have to go to a shrine. Why not go to the masjid next door. It is a much better place.
Mohammad Abu-Hamza
Jul 24, 2012 09:33pm
you are right.
Deb
Jul 24, 2012 10:47pm
ofcourse its superstition. The grave of a human being is not holy, however great he was. They are just humans after all.
Akhlesh
Jul 24, 2012 11:37pm
And the rest of the world does not hate Muslims. I am not a Muslim, but I have Muslim (PhD) students, colleagues, and dear friends. Haider: Don't enslave yourself to a persecution complex.
Akhlesh
Jul 24, 2012 11:40pm
Sufism is the best part of Islam.
Akil Akhtar
Jul 25, 2012 12:48am
Islam does not allow praying to anyone other than Allah, Praying to any Human Being is a grave sin. The sufis buried at these shrines were great people but they do not have any power to grant anyone anything. Turning graves into places of worship is not accepted in Islam but sadly widely practiced in the Subcontinent especially, probably due to the idol worshipping environment and Background of the Muslims. It is still unislamic.
Akil Akhtar
Jul 25, 2012 01:01am
People are not just offerign fateha but they are actually asking the saint for forgiveness or to fulfill their needs, which is unislamic. We do not need to argue this with the Hindus as their beliefs are totally opposite to Islam and they will worship anyone or anything. Our main belief is that everyone and everything in this world is made by Allah and only he has the power no one else.
Akil Akhtar
Jul 25, 2012 01:04am
That is the difference of belief between Hinduism and Islam which you do not get. No one or no place in this world is strong or can answer your prayers. There is only one being that has the power to give you anything and that is Allah and nothing in this universe can move without his will.
Suresh K.
Jul 25, 2012 02:59am
Hindu Vedantic teachings were taken by the Sufis, the mystics of Islam, who are defined even today by the Dictionary of Islam in India as Muslims following Vedantic ideas - David Frawley. Mysticism has always been part of Hinduism from time immemorial! Most of the Sufis were mystics for instance, Al Hallaj, who was executed by the Caliph in Iraq for uttering "I am He". Hindus have no problem at all what this means. There is only one pervading entity which in Vedanta is Brahman (not to be confused with Brahmins). The Sufis were influenced by Hinduism in this belief. Any Hindu will readily go to a place of a Sufi, a Hindu saint because we know that these people experienced the Truth. Therefore Hindus have no qualms of visiting shrines of God realized souls - be they from any faith.
ssf
Jul 25, 2012 04:09am
The movie stars come to pay respects and possibly pray to Mr. Chisty for their success in their enterpise. Nothing wrong with that. Mr. Khan should in fact be greatfull for that, he is getting a lot of free publicity. But overall it does not tell much about these stars who are so irrational and supertitious.
virkau
Jul 25, 2012 05:01am
It is the people who make a religion peaceful or violent. First sect was created with the death of Mohammed as to who will be the next Caliph. There was nothing in the Qu'ran or Hadith about this. This was pure power game. It got further divided into sub-sects based on local traditions & cultures. Sufism is one if the emanating from Turkey. Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. also have several sects but there were no wars despite rivalries.v
Dilawer
Jul 25, 2012 05:21am
Let people do whatever works for them. No judgement here.
saythetruth
Jul 25, 2012 11:55am
Two thumbs up for Syed right on the money. Shrine has no place in Islam anybody worshiping grave is not from the Muslim. Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti may be a some sort of scholar but he can not ask Allah to do anything for anybody. He is dead like an other human being wait for the day of judgment . Actually the living should make Duah for him that Allah make it easy for him because what ignorant Muslims have done to his grave.
virkau
Jul 25, 2012 05:38am
Rinkle Kumari is the latest example.v
STA
Jul 25, 2012 06:42am
Does not really matter as muslims are not supposed to believe in Shrines/Sufi's in any case.
Peaceful
Jul 25, 2012 11:59am
Alicia you have no idea what you are talking about. The wahabi influence has damaged us Muslims and our aqeedah. Througout the history of Islam shrines were considered a holy spot to visit until 1928 the wahhabi movement started and every act became a shirk. My beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) said "I do not fear that you will commit shirk after me, I am worried you will be lost in the material life". My master Muhammad (peace be upon him) has taught me to tell them to keep that fear of shirk to yourself. We worship Allah only and visiting shrines is part of our aqeedah. Peace for all!
Abduallah
Jul 25, 2012 08:19am
its important to understand and find the facts, otherwise we would not have so many shrines all around the world.
Aamir
Jul 25, 2012 08:31am
All relgious sites of saints are against the core values of Islam. Once a person dies he is no more. What ecer one needs cannot be provided by people who are dead. We need to ask Allah whatever we need he is close to us and knows what is in our heards. He says in Quran ask me I am your Maula. Why do we have to paray to the dead who cannot hear nor speak.