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Names needed for tombstones

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In the past week alone three drone strikes in Pakistan have reportedly killed 27 individuals. The US authorities claim that a senior al Qaeda leader was the target who has subsequently died in the drone strikes. The names of the others who have died this week or thousands more who have perished in drone strikes in the past have largely remained unknown.

While the government of Pakistan has reportedly protested to a ‘senior’ US diplomat (not even to the Ambassador) in Islamabad against the drone strikes, it has done precious little to determine names and identities of those who became victims of extrajudicial killings  by the US on Pakistani soil. Also, the federal and provincial government in KPK has not helped the families of hundreds of civilians killed in drone strikes in pursuing a judicial recourse at international forums of justice and human rights.

The New America Foundation maintains an up-to-date tally of US drone strikes in Pakistan.Their data reveal that since 2004, an estimated 2,836 individuals have died in drone strikes in Pakistan. Drone strikes caused the most deaths in 2010 when an estimated 1,000 individuals perished. The Foundation estimates that of the 2,836 dead, almost 2,365 were militants, while the rest were civilians. Even if the Foundation’s numbers are taken at face value, almost 471 civilians have reportedly died as a result of American strikes in Pakistan.

Source: New America Foundation

In an earlier piece, I mentioned research by the London-Based Bureau of Investigative Journalism that revealed hundreds of civilian deaths had resulted from the drone strikes. Earlier this week, the Bureau revealed that CIA has resumed attacking rescuers and funeral processions of those killed in earlier drone strikes. The Bureau reported: “On Monday US drones attacked rescuers in Waziristan in western Pakistan minutes after an initial strike, killing 16 people in total according to the BBC… And on Sunday, a CIA drone strike targeted people gathered for funeral prayers of militant victims killed in an earlier attack. The intended Taliban targets appear to have survived, although up to ten people died. A mosque was also struck last week – possibly accidentally – killing at least three civilian worshippers.”

THE ASSASSIN-IN-CHIEF

While the CIA has been blamed for planning and executing the drone strikes in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen, the New York Times recently reported that the planning central for drone assassinations has been the Oval Office in the Obama White House. The Times reported that President Obama used his Tuesday meetings with advisors to select names of those to be killed in drone strikes from a secret ‘kill list’. The Times observed that President Obama was “the liberal law professor who campaigned against the Iraq war and torture, and then insisted on approving every new name on an expanding “kill list,” poring over terrorist suspects’ biographies on what one official calls the macabre “baseball cards” of an unconventional war.”

From being the Nobel Peace Prize winner to becoming America’s assassin-in-chief, President Obama’s descent into ghetto warfare has been quick and steep. It is indeed sad and disappointing to see President Obama build his tough guy credentials by assassinating his opponents and murdering civilians in Pakistan. If one were to do the same without occupying a political office, one would be nothing more than a Mafioso taking out enemies any which way possible.

While the American economy struggles to create jobs, President Obama has become increasingly vulnerable as he faces a formidable challenge from the Republican nominee Mitt Romney in the upcoming presidential elections. Since he has lost control of the American economy, it is increasingly probable that the Obama administration may try to lift the President’s stature in the eyes of the electorate on the corpses of Pakistanis. The President may be limited in delivering jobs to Americans, but he remains unlimited in delivering death and destruction to the people of Pakistan.

WHAT CAN YOU DO

While it remains primarily the responsibility of the government of Pakistan and its institutions, such as the armed forces, to protect the life and property of citizens against foreign threats, one can, however, no longer assume that the state apparatus has the capacity (and some may argue) or the willingness to safeguard the fundamental rights of the citizens of Pakistan. What is more disturbing is the fact that Pakistan's establishment has abandoned even the civilian victims of American drone strikes. One does not even know the names of the thousands who have died in drone strikes.

It is important to note that the US maintains detailed records of every soldier lost in Afghanistan and Iraq. The New York Times earlier this week published the names of the three most recent US casualties of the 1,979 Service men who have died in Afghanistan and related operations. The British do the same. In fact, the British newspaper Guardian maintains an online database of dead and wounded British soldiers in Afghanistan. Pakistan should do the same.

While the government of Pakistan may be content with launching mute protests with the American Embassy in Islamabad, much more due diligence is required, which the state is unwilling and incapable of performing. I therefore propose that instead of relying on the  government, members of the civil society should launch a collaborative effort involving media (preferably PFUJ), NGOs (FAFEN and HRCP), and the Journalism and Mass Communication Department at Peshawar University to develop an online database (similar to the one maintained by Guardian) of the victims of drone strikes. We need to know victims’ names, ages, date and place of death, affiliations, if any, with the militants, etc. This is a prerequisite for getting justice later for the victims sometime in the future.

The latest practice by the CIA of attacking the funerals of those who have died in earlier drone strikes leaves the unnamed dead without graves or proper burials. This is an explicit attempt to eliminate any chance of determining later the real victims of US drone strikes in Pakistan, which is likely to preempt or hamper any chance of seeking justice at international forums.

It is up to the people of KPK in particular, and Pakistan in general, to maintain accurate records of those who have lost loved ones, limbs, and/or property in drone strikes sanctioned by President Obama and his predecessor. If the plight of victims of drone strikes in future is recognised by international institutions of human rights and justice, the names and dates on the tombstones will become the most important piece of evidence in the indictment against those accused of committing war crimes against the people of Pakistan.


Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. is the Associate Dean of research and graduate programs at the Ted Rogers School of Management at Ryerson University in Toronto. He can be reached by email at murtaza.haider@ryerson.ca


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Comments (68) Closed



Mike
Jun 07, 2012 07:08pm
Drones do cost money. We have an economic crisis. Isn't it reasonable to think that we would never use drones unless we really have to? Please stop giving us such obvious and strong reasons to use drones such as al-Libi and Osama.
hassan
Jun 07, 2012 09:03am
The author failed to touch upon the presence of foreign elements in the northern areas without the permission of Pakistani government. If we are not capable of dealing with them under the law, why should we object to others targeting them? If someone hosts an illegal alien in his house should be prepared to pay the price. Even Chinese have complained to Pakistan regarding insurgency in china being fueled by illegal elements in our northern areas. If we take responsibility of our territory no foreign power will need to interfere.
Jamil
Jun 07, 2012 09:44am
drones seem to be a tacit agreement between washington and pindi. so we cant do much about it except wasting our time.
Ahtesham sheikh
Jun 06, 2012 07:28pm
It is a difficult time for Pakistan and asks for resolve and patience. We need to understand that it is not Obama but some very strong people around him who are responsible for the US policies. Obama is probably a hope not only for Americans but also for other nations. We Pakistanis need to look at things in a broader perspective. We need to identify the american leaders who are driven by principals rather than greed and hate. Obama scores well on his ability as well as ethics. Are we doing enough to reach out and make him understand the ground realities? Putting all the blame on this able man will not solve anything.
hassan
Jun 06, 2012 09:13am
very disturbing information , who can tell how many of those who perished were really terrorists or common people and how can that information be verified, its so tragic that we dont even know the names of even a few people who became victims of this aggression, what is even more tragic is the fact that our pakistani govt officials have such little regard for the life of our people that nobody uptil now has come forward with any details whatsoever,all we get to hear is " 17 militants died", whereas local people have an entirely different story to tell ,pictures also tell another story, i have seen pictures of 8 year old children and mothers lying dead in their beds as a result of these drone attacks, we the people of cities like lahore,karachi and islamabad do not realize this loss because this has not happened in our neighbourhood , who knows if months from now we too will be attacked in our homes overnight.what a shame it is for a nation which kills its own people , we know about these meaningless protests that the government has been registering since this all started , what an inhumane, honor less regime this is,it even puts to shame the doings of musharraf.
Brian
Jun 06, 2012 04:33pm
The Pakistani Air Force has AWACS radar to detect these drones. PAF has air defense missiles to shoot them down. PAF has fighter jets, and air-to-air missiles to shoot them down. If the government of Pakistan wanted these attacks to stop, they could stop them tomorrow.
Tamilselvan
Jun 07, 2012 03:50am
If Pakistan can't stop terrorism camps in her borders than the rest of the world will. The terrorists under OBL killed civilians, children and once in a while drones will do the same but as per records drones has killed more terrorists than civilians but same is not true with suicide bombers.USA is left with no choice if Pak after taking all the money from the rest of the world and claims that it cannot control her own borders
Dr Ali
Jun 06, 2012 09:05pm
The writer has a very valid point. if US govt paid for two people killed ''accidentally'' by a CIA agent they should also compensate all civilians killed by CIA drones.
malik
Jun 07, 2012 01:11am
Each time I read a drone attack news it also mentions militants gathered to get the corpses. I guess that fact alone tells you who what kind of people were killed in these attacks.
Akil Akhtar
Jun 07, 2012 12:17am
Really... you and your country needs to get over Pakistan hatred and try to be more honest. /9Hope this gets printed as we are very careful not to annoy the neighbours)
concerned
Jun 07, 2012 12:00am
Whether right or wrong, the indians will leave no chance on coming onto this message board and talk simple RUBBISH about Pakistan. My country has her flaws, but so does India. Instead of pouncing on every chance that you get to defame Pakistan and its citizens, think hard and maybe you will know why India is hated by the Pakistanis. Your actions here are not helping at all.
asim
Jun 06, 2012 11:15pm
He does not know what he is talking about.
Baba Sidni
Jun 06, 2012 10:16pm
Would we see a reduction? After US has killed many of the number two's of Al-qaeda, and then, the number one. By the way, how many number 2's a group would have, I am not very good in mathematics, but I think it should be in a single digit.
Baba Sidni
Jun 06, 2012 10:13pm
"Drone attacks are inhuman too, though terrorists and criminals are their target." Who defines criminals and terrorists? Were these illiterate villagers given any chance to defend themselves in any court of law? The terrorist outfits bombing peaceful gatherings in mosques, are doing the same. They kill those who they think are criminals, for not following their doctrine of religion, no matter how crooked. They also don't give the hapless persons a chance to defend themselves in any court of law. Sounds familiar?
Baba Sidni
Jun 06, 2012 10:05pm
The government of Pakistan sure gave the reason to US. but did the poor villagers in far off lands give a reason too?
vgp
Jun 06, 2012 11:29am
better still why dont u make a data base of those killed in suicide bombing
kanwal
Jun 06, 2012 11:12am
@Syiem I think i would nt buy a bag of potatoesafter Iraq war lies from these war-mongering machines, let alone their theories and practices and statements etc etc during the course of the so-called war on terror. So it really does nt matter where was OBL and what he did. I want to see Pakistan stable and drone attacks are detrimental to that. The whole war on terror has been detrimental to that. USA should stop bribing 3rd world countries to fight their war on other people's land destroying other people's lives. Thats downright cowardly and criminal.
Kanwal
Jun 06, 2012 11:07am
@Cyrus Howell Reduction? Fat chance. They have killed this man before if i remember correctly. Forgetting to keep a tab now.
Circus
Jun 06, 2012 10:25am
Cyrus, please explain this general remark that you used to justify your argument "The only reason Waziristan became a part of The Pakistan Republic was the new government wanted fighting allies. People who are not welcome in Islamabad." What are you on about?
Satish
Jun 06, 2012 10:17am
Just lIke Pakistan does to the rest of the world! Death and destruction!
Syiem
Jun 06, 2012 10:09am
OBL wasen't killed in Timbuktu. Pakistan has given reason to the US to continue these drone strikes.
Tariq
Jun 06, 2012 07:41pm
As the government of Pakistan has protested to the USA of the illegal drone strikes inside sovereign territory of Pakistan but all in vein. Then why doesn't The Pakistan's armed forces shoot down the drones that enter Pakistan's airspace? Or may be the $$$ still preferable to life's of the genuinely innocent victims of the drone strikes by those spineless leaders in power in PK government?
RIP
Jun 07, 2012 11:05am
Pakistanis, here's a simple question. Are you proud of how your country behaves in an international setting? If not, why not use your energies to improve your country? When you change, your international standing will also change. Other Muslim countries will look up to you as an example. Drone attacks will stop. It will be a win-win situation for everybody. Just think why there are no drone attacks on Indonesia, for example. You cannot change others, but you can try to change yourselves. Someone mentioned that the militants should be tried in a court instead of being shot by drones. Okay, but are the Pakistani police ready to collect these people and bring them to trial? Do you have any suggestions on how to collect militants who hide behind civilians hostages and fights wars? Do these people have any rights? No military force uses civilians as human shields. Contrary to what you think, the rest of the world is not out to get Pakistan. They only want to trade and be at peace with Pakistan. Your enemies are the foreign militants who have hijacked your country in the name of religion. Be well.
althaf
Jun 06, 2012 04:46pm
Every day we hear of Pakistani planes and artillery being used to kill a a large number of militants. Remember the campaign in FATA where villages after villages were flattened. Have you asked how the army knew that only militants were killed? Is there anybody in Pakistan, including you, who have bothered to keep count? How convenient that you have the sensibilities of the first world, while blithely ignoring the mayhem that is committed by the local security forces every day.
AshLA
Jun 06, 2012 06:07pm
Why stop there. Since the author is requesting that the same priviliges and procedures be applied to civilian deaths as provided to servicemen, why not also request the similar collection of data on innocent civilians killed in terror attacks emanating from within Pakistan. Maybe the roster should be linked by each identified militant killed by the drone attack, number of innocent victims that lost their lives within the same drone attack and finally the number of innocent civilians killed by known terrorist activity of the militant. I think that might be more meaningful. I am not justifying the killing of innocent civilians, that is always most regrettable. But the author needs to understand why it has come to this as the only solution remaining. Perhaps because your military and government have not cleaned up their act of fostering militancy against the "opressors" while demanding aid and grants that country's tax dollars.
Insomniac
Jun 07, 2012 02:01pm
with F-16s and AWACS that US gave them :) do you think they would take that lying down :) you got to be kidding mate.. i don't think PAF has the capability or the strike force to even match the ones who gave them those weapons on the first place... they can only stop these drone strikes by going after the terrorists by themselves.. which is for their own good.... and yes, it will surely do some good for world peace.
Khizr
Jun 08, 2012 03:58pm
yes, that is the strategy. That is how the war continues, so that there is a non-stop-supply of bad guys to target, and the money keeps flowing to the pockets of beneficiaries of the war (US defence production industry, US, Afghan & Pakistan Army and Afghan & Pakistan Govt).
Azam khan
Jun 07, 2012 01:15pm
What death & destruction did Pakistan do to the world Satish. Nothing has been proved in any court of law even in your own country. These are baseless allegations. Pakistan was declared by the West, the center for terrorism only after it became a nuclear power. The 9/11 and everything else started after the nuclear explosion by Pakistan. Today India is a darling of the West, wait till your turn comes to take our place.
Idrees
Jun 08, 2012 05:53pm
Pakistan cant do ant thing in order to stop the NATO supply.they have to open the supply now or latter.
El Cid
Jun 08, 2012 10:02am
That was to ridicule religion...parody of a peacemaking injuction. There is no compensation for a life delibratey destroyed. How much worth is your life? I have a check-book waiting?
Siddiqui
Jun 06, 2012 04:37pm
Reading through the blogs and the comments on the blogs, its the same story. Present the killing of innocents in drone attacks and most liberals, Indians and westerners would respond, 'but what about those killed in suicide attacks?' Present the killing of innocents in suicide attacks and most mullahs and many Pakis would respond, 'but what about those killed in drone attacks?' Why do we choose between tragedies? Why do we try to minimize one atrocity by quoting another atrocity? A human life, especially that of an innocent civilian, is precious at the end of the day... whether its taken by a drone or by a suicide attack. Really sad that common civilian Pakistanis are caught in a bloody war that they never initiated or participated in...
Rajiv
Jun 06, 2012 01:36pm
Almost 550 people killed in Karachi alone in target killing, its todays news on the same website... pakistan need to see what is wrong inside the country rather than keep on blaming USA. If people like Murtaza also join the ranks of those mullahs then there is no end to all this destruction..
Khizr
Jun 06, 2012 01:03pm
In this day and age, if Pakistan has to make a case of it, it better offer names, ages and images of the people killed in drone attacks. On the other hand, Pakistan government & military is part of these attacks, so you do not expect that from the government. The media and the people will have to do this job.
@Daniyal_Akhtar
Jun 06, 2012 09:28am
Finally, a sane and factual piece on an ongoing massacre. where you say "The latest practice by the CIA of attacking the funerals of those who have died in earlier drone strikes leaves theunnamed dead without graves or proper burials. This is an explicit attempt to eliminate any chance of determining later the real victims of US drone strikes in Pakistan, which is likely to preempt or hamper any chance of seeking justice at international forums." Its not just about maintaining records to seek justice, how can you expect innocent survivors to act sanely after burying their loved one's PIECES or ASHES who are in no way part of this so called terrorism team, its not only fueling hatred among the survivors but is also strengthening militants as the survivors will be more willing to join after such incidents. There should be a better way, as drone strikes are fueling this cycle and government and citizens need to realize this before its too late Good job Murtaza, keep up the good work
Shafqaat
Jun 06, 2012 02:31pm
Syiem. OBL was killed in Pakistan. Who first used OBL? Who created him??? Be in senses to ask such questions. The Americans are not sincere with anyone.
Rajiv
Jun 07, 2012 07:16am
You know brother... have you ever read the coverage of Dorne Strike by Pakistan media... it says "American Drone killed 10 millitants"... so almost everyone in pakistan media is sure they are Millitant...
Aviratam
Jun 07, 2012 06:58am
".. pouncing on every chance to defame Pakistan and its citizens". It never occurred to you that Pakistan pounces on every chance to foment terror attacks in India. Which is worse? the actual killing and mayhem caused in India or perhaps, an uncomfortable debate in a newspaper.
Genatomi
Jun 07, 2012 06:36am
Get over it boys, this is the future for Pakistan, like it or not. Remember, president Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, who are you to question his judgement? Sometimes justice is best served with a blast radius.
El Cid
Jun 08, 2012 08:01am
The author, Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. is right on. Record keeping and accounting for the innocent dead behoves a self-respecting nation and a dignified people...for when the criminals are indited in a world court...or by history.
anil
Jul 18, 2012 11:24am
Please open up your eyes before it’s too late. The sole purpose of our media is to create misunderstanding and feed our youth with all the stuff that doesn’t matter. Millions of Muslims have been killed in Burma, and still the Muslim world continues to sleep ! Where is USA, England, UNO and our media? Our media is only interested to know when Salman khan is getting married or what is Kareena doing with Saif Ali Khan. This is a real terrorism.
Altaf Hussain-Mumbai
Jun 06, 2012 03:26pm
With Libi being located and subsequently killed in FATA the other day, what do you expect the rest of the world to do? Give your Army some more billions so that they can train-fund-host these barbarians?
Gshenai
Jun 06, 2012 02:57pm
hmm.. it appears as if Pakistan never supported these characters... for God's sake Pakistan still houses them!! Let's not blame everything on Americans, for once let us all act like grown ups
Cyrus Howell
Jun 06, 2012 09:05am
We should see a swift reduction in drone strikes now that Washington has killed the man they were after (we might note inside Pakistan). How many have died in drone strikes? less than a few thousand people not tens of thousands. Yes. Pakistanis should have recourse to the courts for financial remedies. Law suits should be filed. Face it. The only reason Waziristan became a part of The Pakistan Republic was the new government wanted fighting allies. People who are not welcome in Islamabad.
JAY KOMERATH
Jun 06, 2012 02:07pm
ONE WORD-NONSENSE
Dilbar Jahan
Jun 06, 2012 01:58pm
I agree with vgp! what about a data of those killed in suicide attacks on mosques, tombs, markets, schools, playgrounds, offices, vehicles, graveyards, and of course funerals. Have those victims any tombstones on their graves? people in the west have the guts and conscience to condemn and oppose drone attacks, but political leaders and munafiqeen of Defai Pakistan Council (DPC) have no guts to even criticize suicide attacks--that too on mosques. I have no argument to justify drone attacks; they are inhuman, though criminals and terrorists are their target. Drone attacks are killing humans in an inhuman way. Even worst terrorists have the right to have a human face. But suicide attacks is the worst of all. We should raise our voice against the rot that has beset our society.
kanwal
Jun 06, 2012 09:03am
Obama needs votes. Corpses of civilians of Pakistan can help in that? So be it. His Nobel Peace Prize should be revoked.
Baba Sidni
Jun 08, 2012 06:03am
RIP Van Winkle? I thought he should have been dead by now. But how would I know it? I am not all that knowledgeable, that I would like to be.
Baba Sidni
Jun 08, 2012 06:09am
Sure, they can stop them right now, not even have to wait for tomorrow, and then invite the wrath of a so called super power, who is looking for excuses to ramp up their economy, first Vietnam, then Iraq, then Afghanistan, then Cuba, then Libya, and now Pakistan or China, take a bet. $100, anyone?
Baba Sidni
Jun 08, 2012 06:12am
Hey, you can't complain, you never gave us even a penny, and still, you count yourself, a part of the world. I have checked twice with my accountant, before writing a reply.
Baba Sidni
Jun 08, 2012 06:17am
If this able man is not able to control a government, it just means, he is not able enough. He should move aside, and let others take control. I am wiling to do the job.
Baba Sidni
Jun 08, 2012 06:23am
Four likes for the post by "concerned" and dislikes on the reply, post by "Aviratam". Hmm m, I wonder they were the same people. (note: when I posted this mail, there were 4 likes and dislikes, the same persons might want to change it now).
Baba Sidni
Jun 08, 2012 06:25am
You are the people, and by being published, you are the media as well. Are you still waiting for the Divine intervention?
El Cid
Jun 08, 2012 07:29am
That public protest is to fool/confuse the Pakistani people. The US Military and Pakistan government are in this together...with wink, wink--under the table.
El Cid
Jun 08, 2012 07:34am
...killed mostly civilians. Women, children, elderly--have been killed. The Taliban stalwart is alive and well...and fighting back--or haven't you noticed? You will when the intruder turns tail, and the Taliban demostrate victory in the field, as they did against the USSR.
El Cid
Jun 08, 2012 07:04am
You can't blame the US. America is doing what its strategists consider best for it. It is doing it with 100% help and cooperation of the Pakistan government--Military, Air-Force, ISI. If Pakistanis want to stop this killing--and soon these death machines will be targeting your homes in Lahore, Karachi, etc--they should publish the photos of the innocent childern torn to shreds on bill-boards, and tell about day and night terror in which they live their short lives. Top Civil, Military, PAF, ISI...should be taken to Supreme Court charged with treason and derliction of duty by the People of Pakistan...Wait till the bombs start falling on your own in the middle of the night. And at high noon!
El Cid
Jun 08, 2012 07:14am
Drones are slow moving targets...good only against children, unarmed villagers, and civilian homes.Their limited effectiveness against the Taliban warrior has been demonstrated.
El Cid
Jun 08, 2012 07:25am
Taliban fighters are not hidding behind anyone. That is propaganda. Anyone willing to strap explosives around their waist in desperate retalitation proves it. That the foreign invaders force whole villagers--elderly, women, children--in front of them to clear mine-fields is UN documented.
El Cid
Jun 08, 2012 09:51am
Murtaza Haider, Ph.D. is not joining the ranks of mullahs. He is speaking for those who can no longer speak for themselves--the innocent dead. His is an international view. And is pinning down points for history...and data collection for accountability. It is NFP's responsibility to speak for Karachi, his homeground. Why is he so silent about the atrocities in Karachi--"Almost 550 people killed in Karachi alone in target killing", as you have pointed out?
El Cid
Jun 09, 2012 06:11am
The US has gone through thousands of documents and terabytes of data they picked up from OBL's house. They had pre-prepared documents to charge Pakistan for harboring a terrorist. Not one bit or byte of information could be found to indite Pakistan or an any government personnel on any charge. Thus facts as ascertained by the Americans refute your argument.
Bakul
Jun 10, 2012 03:21pm
how many "able" leaders are controlling Pakistan? You have so many Job openings right in your own country. Please do some favor to your own motherland.
El Cid
Jun 09, 2012 10:10pm
...prove that in a court of law. Three fingers and a thump points at India when one is pointed at Pakistan.
El Cid
Jun 12, 2012 10:59am
With writers and researchers like Murtaza Haider, Ph.D., and concerned journalists, the world is getting to focus more and more on this issue. Soon the UN conscience will no longer be able to be repressed by Pakistan and the US. And the Afghanistani and Waziristani killing fields and slaughter houses will be exposed...and accounted for. The process of justice, if not justice, will be initiated.
Pradip
Jun 26, 2012 02:12am
Very insightful comment...completely agree with your first paragraph in particular.
Pradip
Jun 26, 2012 02:17am
Lovely ...perhaps you should catch a plane to join them, instead of running a commentary sitting in the US?
paki
Jul 15, 2012 02:31pm
What about those killed by Pakis aborad in the name of Jihad???
paki
Jul 15, 2012 02:29pm
Really are you sure???,,, we need to be honest or you need to be honest????? I had few hopes with some of the Pakistanis mentioned below but unless the whole nathion chnages, it is impossible... Please check some of Paki video on youtube by Hasan Nisar, Najem Sethi, Parveez Hoodbuoy and also read NFP... Ya and also check - "Kamran Khan: Pak is a Terrorist State" and also check ....."Secret Pakistan : Documentary by BBC Part 1 (Double Cross)"
paki (London)
Jul 15, 2012 02:22pm
Azam, what a perfection????? So you need everything in court to prove it... Good God??????This country and it's people will never change...Unless you do some self analysis, Pakis... (in General) all over the world over are treated as terrorist and will be treated as terrorist....I know Pakis are treated here in UK....ask them, many of them privately admit that sometime they feel shameful for being Pakistanis....
paki
Jul 15, 2012 02:16pm
So Pakistan is some kind of saint? That's why anywhere in the world you go, Pakistanis are treated as Terrorist, isn't it?