congrats it also has AIP

India is slowly and steadily becoming stronger and stronger.

@swesh That's incorrect. Indian scorpenes have no AIP installed because DRDO AIP was slated to be incorporated but rejected by the Indian navy. Hence the scorpenes come sans AIP and that means they need to resurface every so often.

The French sea scorpion may already have lost some of its venom. If The Australian newspaper in Sydney could be provided a cyber truckload of design details and other information about the Scorpene by an insider, as was divulged recently, then intelligence services worth their (sea) salt should also be able to tap in. The Australian Government also controversially ordered the Scorpene for the Royal Australian Navy ahead of a larger Japanese competitor.

Good achievement for Indian navy, feather in the cap.

Kudos to the world's greatest democracy on this success

Nice...!!!

@AHMED SHAHID AIP is an arcane technology, which took France and Germany many years to develop and prove, in terms of efficiency as well as safety. Indian navy wants DRDO AIP to be tested on other test beds before deployment on operational submarine.So these two submarines are currently with no AIP but later when they fall due for long refits, the homemade AIP can be installed.

@viv Can be !!!! true judging from Tejas and Urjun, possibly by 2045

@YOUKNOWIMRIGHT Guess why India has not scrapped the Scorepene deal with France ? May be, France must have provided similar data of Agosta 90 B to India.

congratulations INDIA

Okay, lets wait for what Pakistan can show in the coming days Good for Pakistan as to have a reason of doing so

@WASEEM Testing is already started as per Sputnick news and hope fully it may be commissioned by 2020. Meanwhile second nuclear submarine in Arihant class-INS Aridhaman will be operational by 2020.

@WASEEM, maybe, or earlier if India decides to invest more into R&D and gets right people onboard.

It is clear that China managed to trap Pakistan because of a weak government. For Pakistan everything was OK as we suffered a lot internationally. Standing with China and fight with rest of the world is not at all good for Pakistan. Russia was never with us, so don't believe we are supported by them in future. Pakistan must stand alone as a respected and developing country like India. Please don't take our country towards a global isolation for our association and benefiting China. China is a struggling nation they can't do any good for us. Remember this....

Its a noisy submarine as compared to Agosta and S-20

@Zik – “The greatest" deception men suffer is from their own opinions - Leonardo da Vinci

What are they going to do with it ? Rule the ocean ? Attack the neighbouring countries left , right and centre ? This is nothing but wastage of scarce resources raised by increasing taxes on the people. Instead either reduce taxes or spend the money for development purposes. This is akin to flexing muscle ...and pampering own ego by telling the world that you are now one amongst 5 countries and making submarines for the past 50 years.

@Dr Siddique taxes are low here ... and government is set to reduce them further in this budget. Interest rates have fallen and inflation has fallen.

@Dr Siddique Sir, India has never flexed its muscles but rather a victim of aggressive forces encircling it... We are a peace loving nation. We require these ammunition to safeguard our development and progress. We don't believe in expansionism but rather in "live & let others live too". Thanks...

@Dr Siddique we built our first submarine in 1992

@Dr Siddique , Why not you advise China?

@swesh " we built our first submarine in 1992" Check NDTV news ....2017 will be celebrated as 50 th year and the Submarine will be inducted in Navy in the month of December to commemorate the same. Do your homework before rejoicing !!

@Dr Siddique it was INS shalki

@Dr Siddique Of course we made our first sub 50 years back. But we developed economically too,

@Dr Siddique it was INS shalki sir watch it on indian navy's official site it was built in the MDL

@Dr Siddique our taxes are lower. Check your facts.

@Muhammad Usman :chek the price of each submarines.Scorpene submarine is 50% more costlier than Augusto-B90 submarine

This is an obsolete toy marine good for fishing in some deep sea.

@Dr. Hamid Gul: Thanks for your master's advice, we know where it hurts who.

@Muhammad Usman Your information is wrong

@Dr Siddique We have one of the lowest income tax rates in the world

well done, India, we are proud of brave and technically advanced neighbours

From the news archives: "NEW DELHI: India is unlikely to give French naval contractor DCNS a proposed order for three new submarines, in addition to the six it is already building in the country, following the leak of secret data about its capabilities, Indian defence officials said." Still the deal goes no?

@kings way wow! that's great Amen!

@Dr. Hamid Gul "Pakistan must stand alone as a respected and developing country like India. " India has never been alone. It was helped by the west sometimes covertly and now openly. Indian nuclear test in 1974 was result of covert western support. As for Pakistan agreed that too proximity with China is not good but we can only be able to stand alone if we have great system that supports fairness,transparency and an education that produces innovators. So far we had PPP that just wasted 5 years, PMLN which just believes in mega projects. We need PTI in power as this is only party that is determined to change our broken system. We also need to get rid of quota system as it has produced professionals that are employable only by government sector .

Scorpene subs are an example of why it is a bad idea to put tactical deterrence on diesel-electric subs like the Agosta. We need nuclear submarines with MIRV tipped ICBM which can operate far away from "hunter-killer" diesel subs like Scorpenes deep inside the Indian Ocean. That would be real strategic deterrence.

@Dr. Hamid Gul India and Pakistan have lot to offer to world. Spending energy on Kashmir is not right way to go.

@Dr. Hamid Gul I strongly agree with you.

Just remember like we have fighter aircrafts for interceptor(Single engine) and Intradictor(twin engine).These submarines are also same,diesel electric submarines are more for self defence and patrolling sovereign waters whereas nuclear subs are more likely for long range missions.India currently has 2 Nuclear subs(Chakra and Arihant) and most likely acquire 2 more each of attack and ballistic missile launcher submarines by 2020.

Indian navy requirements are sky high and it is just one stepping stone.

@Houlbelat Yes, it goes on. The data leak does not impact operational capabilities. Moreover, nothing is hidden about any weapon system these days.

India has technologies which no one else has. For example satellite cluster launch. Mangalyan leaving earths gravity without boosters. Some capabilities in software development . Will not like to spell out all here.

@Muhammad Usman it has stealth technology

India has not launched it, its undergoing sea trial. It will probably take almost 2 years for testing under sea conditions.

@Dr Siddique Please tell the same thing to Pak and China instead of preaching India!

@Muhammad Usman : Really? How do you know that? Its a generation newer than the Agostas.

I personally hate spending public money into military machines which do retire even without participating in any war. the cost of getting and maintaining these are shear waste of money. Instead focus on addressing machines methods to fight terrorists, criminals inside the country, strengthen the police force to ensure people live in safer environment.

There were 48 naval warships under construction in india and now it is 48-1.

@Dr Siddique Your right sir..

@Dr. Hamid Gul If someone doesn't agree with you , then Sir I can only say that he is running away from the facts ...and reality !!

We have all the specs after rhe leak. It will be tagged eveywhere, so its junk material now.

@kings way and france is getting richer and richer while indians poorer.

Can this kind of Scorpene development do any thing for starving Indian soldiers.

well done India

The specs of the Scorpene are already compromised.

@Dr. Hamid Gul Voice of wisdom!!

@rdm Guess what, Agusta90 is under up gradation phase in Turkey, so let India will be happy with 10 year old data

@Dr. Hamid Gul Wake up Dr. sahab its 2016 and you are still in 90's

@Muhammad Usman "Its a noisy submarine as compared to Agosta and S-20" Yes, exactly. These French Scorpenes are sour!

From humanist point of view all such weapons of mass-murders or mass-destruction of humanity whether build by Pakistan, India or any body else are against the interest of peace and humanity. Today in spite of formidable stock piles of most advance nuclear and non-nuclear weapons of mass destruction there is no true peace no where on the earth planet. If the same trillions of dollars spent on production and expansion of weapons and arsenals which could only kill and destroy the people and not heal them, been used in bettering and healing the conditions of suffering humanity the world been much a better place?

@Ahmed Shahid "Indian scorpenes have no AIP installed because DRDO AIP was slated to be incorporated but rejected by the Indian navy" You are correct Ahmed bhaijaan. Indian forces have stringent requirements and do not pass off any and all tests as victories, with 100% success rates like for instance, first time submarine launched nuke-missile tests with 100% precision, just for deterrence value it provides. Hopefully we do not get exposed in an actual war situation like many times earlier.

@swesh they were good to catch few buckets of fish to feed the sailors, Just a joke

@Dr. Hamid Gul india is alone?indian defence is totally dependent on other countries.

@Harmony-1© Great "opinion" of yours that Vinci's opinion is worth sharing. “The greatest" deception men suffer is from their own opinions - Leonardo da Vinci

@Ahmed Shahid The first four will have French AIP and the last two will have Indian developed AIP. Hope that helps clarify your facts.

@Muhammad Usman Scorpene is the next generation of Agosta which is 1970s technology and obsolete. Read up and you will know the difference.

@Harmony-1© :What if the opinions are based on thoroughly vetted facts? Great quotations and slogans look good on the surface, but closer examination finds them lacking. But using borrowed 'great' quotations to swat others down is reveals more about he see than the target!

@Muhammad Usman :Right! You tell the Indians you can see them better submarines!

@A : "I am a realist but you are delusional", right?

India on the move..

@Muhammad Usman were there in crew or core engineering team

@Dr. Hamid Gul You are right.

Made in india

Dr. Hamid Gul - China has the second highest GDP in the world today, almost equal to that of the US. It is expected to overtake the US economy in the next 2 to 3 years. Its military is the second largest in the world, again just after the US. It is widely regarded now as a superpower along with the US. And you are saying China is a struggling nation??! Exactly based on what facts?

@Zak : we too ordered for 8 billions, but still as a country we are still richer. That makes the difference. For us China can give us ven free submarines..no need to pay !!!

Congratz for providing another duck for target practice

So, what is the big deal about it?

@Rehman for your kind information, 40% of china income goes for debt servicing. Bubble is going to burst soon.

@Rehman USA GDP is $16.7 trillion while China GDP is $ 9.24 trillion. How can China overtake US in 2-3 years ??

@Dr Siddique In India only 2% people income tax . Only 0.24 cr people out of 130 cr people pay 30% income tax ( which is highest tax slab in india) . Tax structure in india is low compared to other countries.

@Dr. Hamid Gul Well.. this is the reality... Actions by PAK must be based on the reality... that will pave a way for PAK to build up her reputation in this global arena... and to regain her dignity and better economical status... which will get recognized globally and the voice of PAK will be respected... best of luck from an INDIAN

@Dr Siddique 1967 submarine was from Russia, India made its first much much later, in 90's may be in 92 as someone said. You please check wiki before replying to someone. You're short of info here.

@Rehman 18.5 trillion vs 10.5 trillion, will surpass US only in 2028. Read some books,check wiki,visit world bank website and come out of dellusion. Thanks.

@Rehman It was based on third class products. Now, China is struggling. Its forex reserve depleted 10% and factory output is slowing.......

@KHALID YOUSAFZAI (UK) Wow. Thanks for your broad minded comments.

@WASEEM at least we have a Tejas. Though we failed to have own engine Kaveri we failed. But at least we tried & still working on it. We have a Arjun. An home made Air craft career. What you have done. Forget about an Air craft till date you don't have the capacity to build your own train engine or even a Bike Engine for that matter.

@Dr Siddique , my dear, India no more considers Pakistan a security threat to India but China is the security threat to India. We no more take preparedness against Pakistan but everything is looked after aiming China. It is precisely because of same reason, we are increasing our friendship with USA keeping in mind that our old Friend to remain with us as much as possible. Since Trump is a strong Pro Russia, Indian objective can easily be fulfilled.

@Rehman gdp does not make a country access to technology. russia is small country but supplies technology and arms to china..........

Another era of resource waste when million go hungry, by both Pakistan and India, more by India then in Pak...

All for protection from China.

Even being an Indian I feel sad. Precious resources wasted on weapons, rather should go towards economy, fighting poverty, hunger, ...

@Dr Siddique Interestingly less than five percent of Indians pay any tax which is one of the lowest in the world. With this in mind your argument falls flat on its face.

@Zak, targeted with what?

@Srd Bro our Kaveri engine should be 'aircraft-fit' ready in 18 months thanks to SNECMA - as per Rafale offset clause.

@zik worlds greatest 'emulative' democracy.

@Dr. Hamid Gul Well said Hamid saab. :)

@Dr. Hamid Gul well said

@Harambe of Cincinnati - So you see nothing wrong in someone’s preposterous claim "India is The Greatest democracy"? Whereas, a famous and pertinent quotation is bugging you? Do you even know the meaning of 'The Greatest' before even thinking about ‘democracy’ ie there is no better democracy in the whole wide world than India? Thousands of years old democracies would be envying a 70 years old democracy when comparing on parameters such as India's far superior press freedom, far superior fair and quick justice, far superior accountability of politicians, far superior casteism, far superior rights of minorities. The list goes on... Look in the dictionary for the meaning of 'The Greatest' before getting touchy!

Thanks for the security breach that is publicly available for download.. Scorpions subs of the Indian navy are compromised. Both Pakistan and Chinese navies will be able to locate them very easily.

@Dr. Hamid Gul China is not failing at all.. Economically and military they provide an alternative to American dominance. China has always been a solid partner for Pakistan.. Your claims are nothing more than lies. Claims of Global isolation is a farce.. There is no isolation at all of Pakistan. China, Russia, middle east nations, Africa and America all need to maintain relations with Pakistan for our collective benefits. American isn't the country to depend on.. They will ditch when the time is right.. Something the Indians will find out soon as they are pampered to be a front line state against China

Indians are struggling to feed their soldiers and 800 million of its citizens don't have access to toilets. Sad to see Modi regime wrongly prioritise spending when India has more people in poverty than entire continent of Africa

@Tahir .... Awww, thanks for your concern. That was so sweet of you.

Scorpene Class submarine is a very troublesome submarine. Many European countries have canceled their orders. The few countries who operates these submarine are desperately trying to get rid of it by selling it to third world. Indian Navy sign the contract for these subs in 2005 and it took more then a decade to be ready for sea trials. French ran many problems in its and operations. All this is very well documented .

@Dr Siddique This is to deal with expansionist China