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-Photo by Asif Umar / Dawn.com
The process of Chinese water torture involves slowly dripping water on a victim’s forehead for a prolonged period of time. If done for a sufficiently long period of time, the process is known to drive the victim insane. Hippolytus Di Marsellis, the man who discovered the process, came to his discovery by watching water drip from one rock to another. The rock, on which the water dripped, eventually wore down and developed a concave hole where the drop of water descended every time. Then, he applied the method to the human body.

Last week, the administration of the National University of Science and Technology, decided that it was time to impose a dress code on the errant girls studying at their institution. Jeans and tights, it was collectively deemed, were not appropriate attire for their female students. Girls without dupattas were also condemned. Newspaper reports revealed that amounts of 500-1000 rupees had been taken from the girls who had dared to violate such essential modes of propriety. Anonymous faculty members elaborated that the former military officials that administer the University did not like girls in jeans, girls in tights, girls without dupattas. They did not like girls with choices.

The offended officials at NUST were not the only ones to decide that girls do not have the right to dress themselves. Earlier this month, students at Khyber Medical College protested against a University directive that now requires them to wear a uniform which includes a lab coat and a mandatory dupatta or an abaya headscarf. The dress code, proponents insisted, had been imposed so that class differences among the students may not be that obvious. Class differences apparent in the attire of male students were evidently not a problem.

The noble efforts of all of these earnest University officials to keep girls modest and their institutions devoid of the irresistible temptations of tights and jeans are unlikely to shock anyone in Pakistan. Against the child rapes, the killings for honour, the harassment in public spaces and myriad other forms of denigration suffered by women on a daily basis; the imposition of a uniform is but a slight slap in a slew of regular beatings. In a country of burgeoning burkas; women have become used to being reduced to the sum total of their clothing choices. Women swathed and scaffolded in black and peering from slits are good and moral; women wearing jeans undoubtedly impure. Feminine morality in Pakistan is a product of fabric; the more equals, the better.

It would all be old news, if the venue of this latest form of female control was not an institution of higher learning. The fact that the fines and fees are being imposed on girls studying science, technology and medicine has particular and potent relevance. Like the slow drops dripped on a torture victim’s head, this new rule is but the latest to fall on the foreheads of girls who seek to prove their intellectual excellence.

To these girls pursuing a life of the mind, the dress code spells a particular message: you may dominate in the classroom but you will always be a subordinate beyond it. If any girls harbor fantasies of equality founded on their better test scores, their superior study skills, their inventive ideas; it serves to remind them, that their hard won battles mean nothing in the larger and exclusively male controlled scheme of things. They may be scientists, doctors, engineers but they are ultimately, only women, undeserving even of the choice of deciding what to wear.

For some, it may be the final drop, the one that renders them insane.

Rafia Zakaria is a columnist for DAWN. She is a writer and PhD candidate in Political Philosophy whose work and views have been featured in the New York Times, Dissent the Progressive, Guernica, and on Al Jazeera English, the BBC, and National Public Radio. She is the author of Silence in Karachi, forthcoming from Beacon Press.

The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.

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Salman Daud
September 27, 2013 3:27 pm

Everyone is misinterpreting the situation of NUST. The dress code is not applicable to the whole university. Its for Nust Business School which has announced that all the students will wear formal dresses regardless of gender. Male students are also not allowed to wear jeans. This restriction has been imposed on students of NBS only

Ex Nust Student
September 27, 2013 3:26 pm

Having studied in NUST and been in touch with it for quite sometime, I wish you would have done some research before writing the above. NUST is a military institution, where civilians study along side the military and hence the same level of dress code needs to be adhered. Where military students get repremanded in other ways civilians are fined.

If people don't like the dress code of a military institution then they should study else where, perhaps a civilian place like GIK or LUMS. People like you should not attempt to create a mountian of a mole hill just to fill up pages with words which are not a true reflection of the real situation.

Munazza
September 27, 2013 3:29 pm

"When asked about her Hijab by Journalists and how it is not proportionate with... her level of intellect and education, she replied:

“Man in the early times was almost naked, and as his intellect evolved he started wearing clothes. What I am today and what I’m wearing represents the highest level of thought and civilization that man has achieved, and is not regressive. It’s the removal of clothes again that is regressive back to ancient times” - Noble Laurette from Yemen, Tawakul Karman.

Khalid
September 27, 2013 3:33 pm

This madness needs to be stopped and we need to start teaching our nation to learn to respect the choices made by women as to what they want to wear.

Wajeeh
September 27, 2013 3:34 pm

What else we can expect from these contractors of moral values, they got only women to suppress. students of NUST must protest against this discriminatory act.

Munazza
September 27, 2013 3:32 pm

PS: The Dress code is there for a long time the students agree to abide by the rules of the institution before joing the same. Boys are also not allowed to wear shorts so it is not an issue of gender inequality at all please get your facts right

Khurram Ahmed
September 27, 2013 3:38 pm

Mrs Rafia Zakaria., who has told you that a woman becomes liberal and modern by wearing jeans and tshirts? I am from London and most of our Muslim girls in universities and colleges wear head scarf and abaya but no one felt backward. However there is a western campaign going on against such women here and reading your blog appears that you are part of such campaign. For GOD sake read the book, with translation, and Hadith so that you understand the relevance of Hijab for a Muslim girl or woman. Alhamdulillah Allah has made you Muslim by birth doesn't mean that you can issue fatwas any time. These are only for Muslim scholars, and i don't mean Mullas in Pakistan, to issue fatwas. May Allah guide us all.

Sheraz Maliki
September 27, 2013 3:37 pm

A mere ''hue & cry'' (for a non-issue) for putting personal preferences (of a mighty minority indeed) to be enforced despite the fact that the any institution has every right to make its own decisions within its own premises. The entire argument (of this so-called female subjugation) is misplaced and has no basis except for this tiny-miny minority's personal desire to borrow everything from the western discourse to implement it in order to compliment its 'adopted' lifestyles. The irony in Pakistan is that the liberals are as narrow-minded and biased as much they blame and claim the conservatives to be. Their dubiousness is quite ubiquitous when you don't 'toe' their line.

Iqbal
September 27, 2013 3:41 pm

If an institution makes certain rules, there is no problem in following them. Why care so much?

Mansoor Rehman
September 27, 2013 4:07 pm

For someone who is an avid reader of the Dawn newspaper where you Ms. Rafia have published numerous articles of exceptional caliber, this is utterly appalling.

How amazingly you have twisted this imposition of a fine (based on the Code of Conduct every student willingly signs at the time of joining) into a heinous act of misogyny and male patriarchy is simply shocking!

Wow - I say ma'am - just wow!

Ahsan
September 27, 2013 4:07 pm

I believe every individual is free to choose for him or herself but also should respect choices of others. So I feel equal for what ever a girl or boy wears and do not judge them by that. For me, jeans, tights, scarfs or bayas etc. are all non issues. In the article above, the phrase 'Women swathed and scaffolded in black and peering from slits' reflects a similar bias towards such women as the alleged bias presented towards jeans or tights wearing girls. So to me, it is just like insulting others and yet speaking about mutual respect. Very disappointing to read such improfessional things at a place like DAWN.

Ahmed
September 27, 2013 4:04 pm

The writer must read and understand "Surah Nisa " i am sure Quran will guide her and clarify lots of her queries.

mystic
September 27, 2013 4:09 pm

Happens, when military is allowed to run civilian universities.

waqas
September 27, 2013 4:15 pm

The writing of this article shows that this lady who is probably a Muslim ,could not find time to learn basics of dress code described in Islam as she was very busy in getting Western standard education and is still busy in translating those standards in our society.She must before writing such nonsense, see why every 2nd woman in western society is facing sexual harassment.why hasn't she showed courage to stand and write against western countries who have banned Hijjab in their schoosl,colleges and universities.we should be and are thankful to NUST ADMIN for taking such steps.

Anjum Hameed
September 27, 2013 4:21 pm

Insanity set in the day Zia ul Haq began to rule..he single handedly destroyed the moral and ethical fibre of this country..what an achievement!!!...

NotNeeded
September 27, 2013 4:17 pm

Excellent article. Short, precise and crisp. Smacks the faces of people who still judge a woman by her clothes, and use the excuse of religion to defend their stance instead of using their own brains.

GM
September 27, 2013 4:21 pm

Majority of Pakistani men are obsessed with having a controlling power over women. This is how they feel superior.

shahid amin
September 27, 2013 4:26 pm

Nicely written.. now we should come to realize faith n morality stem inside and grow accordingly as how a family nurtures its future generation.

Naeem Syed
September 27, 2013 4:26 pm

The Officials at NUST must also understand that according to our Codes of Religious law wearing pants for men is also an affront to modesty. The Officials, I presume to be all males should if attired in Trousers, wear long Shirts like the ones worn over Shalwar's to hide the male immodesty shown when in trousers. Further it is incumbent on the male to also cover his head in a hat at all times and in accordance with the tenants of Islam they should also support a beard. This is what hypocrites are made of. Whose agenda are these officials following the Taliban?

IBN-E-ASHFAQUE
September 27, 2013 4:31 pm

Rafia muslim women and men have to adhere to a dress code. May Allah give you the wisdom to understand that. Ameen

tahir
September 27, 2013 4:34 pm

It is not about teaching modesty, it is about implementing the Law which has been prescribed by Allah Subhanahu wa Taala in Quran, and has been implemented by the 4 Righteous Caliphs. If wearing jeans and removing clothes is the sign of enlightenment, then those who live in jungle, are more civilized than us. Don't forget it is Islam which has liberated women, and not the western culture which you preach and die for. In West women are more molested and raped then any part of the world, they are treated as commodity, and in Islamic countries they are treated as mothers sisters, daughters, and wives, and not as girlfriends, mistresses, and escorts. I believe you got my point.

Zubair
September 27, 2013 4:37 pm

And I thought my extended family had a narrow view of things. I always thought with time my fellow country men will embrace the right of freedom of the least clothing but its going the opposite way. I cant understand why are we turning fundamentalists by the day. I am not the one for nudity but neither up for a decreed dress code. The size of a dress has nothing to do with one's chastity.

May_I_say
September 27, 2013 4:38 pm

It is not about teaching modesty, it is about implementing the Law which has been prescribed by Allah Subhanahu wa Taala in Quran, and has been implemented by the 4 Righteous Caliphs. If wearing jeans and removing clothes is the sign of enlightenment, then those who live in jungle, are more civilized than us. Don't forget it is Islam which has liberated women, and not the western culture which you preach and die for. In West women are more molested and raped then any part of the world, they are treated as commodity, and in Islamic countries they are treated as mothers sisters, daughters, and wives, and not as girlfriends, mistresses, and escorts. I believe you got my point.

Nowsherwan
September 27, 2013 4:45 pm

With due respect ma'am, being an alumni of NUST, let me tell you that such frivolities have been happening in the past too. But never was an issue made out of it. NUST is one of the top universities of Pakistan and has contirbuted substantially in developing the human resource of this country. Now the aforementioned issue doesn't in any way victimize the female gender as is suggested by your column, and such fines have been attributed to the males as well for violating unviersity rules and decorum. Well, in this case university policy can certainly be debated but putting on a bad name to one of the few quality insititute of this this country, is not going to be lucrative.

Nauman Usmani
September 27, 2013 4:45 pm

i don;t understand, why you muslim ppl are thinking so negative..if the institute has banned wearing the odd stuff..accept it. after all its for your better..i am amazed that where we are heading.Be a Muslim. not a western random !!

irfan
September 27, 2013 4:42 pm

invention of clothes reflected the evolution of human being, wearing lesser clothes or no clothes at all means we are going back to stone age. stop promoting the culture that is not ours. THIS APPLIES EQUALLY TO BOTH MEN AND WOMEN

Hassan Talal
September 27, 2013 4:56 pm

Week for Pakistan- 83 killed in a church attack, 350 killed and counting in earthquake, 21,000 homes destroyed and more than 600 injured. And unfortunately a dress code applied by a University is being covered by national newspapers. It would have been good if the author focused on real issues other than a university's dress code (which in no way degrades women!). Also for the author's information, NUST Business School fines boys and girls for wearing jeans. For God's sake, don't misinform people by equating an institution's dress regulation with misogyny.

mansoor
September 27, 2013 4:52 pm

The more you keep women in burqa or whatever, the more you increase curiosity for guys to see what is under the cover. In short please grow this society needs to grow up. Read and understand islam in a good way. It doesn't allow us to surpress women. This gift of ignorance is given by all the arabs. Look at their cities and look at ours. big cities big economies and great nations are not built by burqas. our most educated in nust which i believe must be PhD's seems dumb with this decision.

Rabia
September 27, 2013 4:57 pm

" women have become used to being reduced to the sum total of their clothing choices."

This is very well put together. NUST has given no rational justification as to why it imposes the dupatta rule. The dupatta is actually a choking hazard in a chemical plant industry, we, the girls, are told to not wear one and to have a short shirt along with jeans to be on the safe side. Why does NUST expect us to not dress the way our work field requires us to? Why is it okay for men in Pakistan to wear formal western attire but for women it is considered a taboo?

Muhammad Mahmud Butt
September 27, 2013 5:05 pm

@Rafia. The sad part is that most women in my opinion themselves decide the conservative dress code for their daughters.

jen
September 27, 2013 5:51 pm

The biggest fact that confronts men is simple ie. if you allow women to move freely, they are going to be promiscous which is the ultimate truth because they are humans like men. But men are not taught to live independent of women. They are programmed to study, earn bread and butter for the women of their lives and worse, they are taught that they are the protectors of their family wellbeing. Now, what else we can expect when our structure is like this? We must free our men from the shackles of the family concept, encourage them to enjoy life by making love to whomsoever they wish without any strings attached. By this way, they wont expect bother women are virgin or not, wont bother about their chastity and everything. there will be peace finally.

Afaq Khan
September 27, 2013 5:50 pm

We all know that man and woman are equal as human beings but different from each other physically as well as emotionally. Being human do gives them a right of equality in terms of health, education and religious practice however their apparent differences define the domain of their roles and responsibilities of their gender. Both Islamically and traditionally, these roles and responsibilities of men and women are clearly defined and when the line of these roles gets blurred, the problems arise. Islamically speaking, the responsibilities of women include covering their entire body when going out. Islamic code of covering for women explicitly states that bodies of the women must be covered from head to toe and she must not wear clothing which reveals the curves and shape of her body. Jeans and tights actually do reveal the curves and shape of a woman's body and thus might actually entice a man for wrong doing. Pakistan is an islamic state where the Islamic law is supposed to be implemented and any such initiative which implements the Islamic values must be commended. I am not against the women rights and equality but seems the definition of equality for women has been greatly impacted by the western influence and is being slowly injected in our society through these columns which subliminally boast a wrong definition of 'equality'. In my opinion, the equality does not mean entering the domain of other gender, wearing men like clothes, showing off bodies but it actually means the right of good health, good education, religious practice and good deeds for both. I am very disappointed to read this article and the views of the author.

Ali
September 27, 2013 5:59 pm

@IBN-E-ASHFAQUE: and may Allah grant u true knowledge and wisdom...

Arsalan Tariq
September 27, 2013 6:01 pm

Dear & respected Madam, i do not agree with what u ve written, being an Alumni of the prestigious institution which is ranked no 1 in Pakistan, i know that there are no discriminatory rules in NUST. it would ve been better if u could spare some time to visit the institution to get the first hand knowledge about the rules & regulations being followed in the university. 2ndly by merely following the foot steps of the civilized nations in terms of dress code NO nation has ever developed. 3rdly Dress code is part of our national as well as religious ethics on which we shall be proud of. NUST offers equal rights & equal chances to both the genders.

Sarbaan
September 27, 2013 6:08 pm

For God's sake, cut the crap... We at medical college wore uniforms, both boys and girls, and it cant be true that the restraint could only be for girls.. Even if it is, its not a big deal.. The country is plagued by monstrous social problems.. Issues of women rights would automatically get resolved if the other serious issues are addressed.. And men too, in this society get their share of getting screwed every day.. And by the way these feminist women who know no other talk have done nothing except for exploiting the plight of women for their own stardom.. Mam, just chill, will you..??

Naveed
September 27, 2013 6:06 pm

Dear Miss Rafia,

I don't think that opting a dress code restrict someone's mental ability. For your kind info, in many universities, boys are restricted from wearing jeans, but I think it is matter of discipline of university. Furthermore, wearing tight or shortening your clothes does not reflect modernity.

Fahad
September 27, 2013 6:13 pm

I am sorry but you are completely wrong about NUST.

You can read a well summarized review here: http://zainabkhawaja.wordpress.com/2013/09/26/special-feature-the-nust-controversy-the-rectorspeech/

Please do some research before posting illogical and false news.

ramesh
September 27, 2013 6:12 pm

Will someone rewind the pakistani clock 1400 years back. Thank you

Fahad
September 27, 2013 6:21 pm

"Last week, the administration of the National University of Science and Technology, decided that it was time to impose a dress code on the errant girls studying at their institution. Jeans and tights, it was collectively deemed, were not appropriate attire for their female students. Girls without dupattas were also condemned. "

Incorrect.

  1. It was not the first time a dress code violation was fined.
  2. It was not decided last week to impose a dress code.
  3. The dress code exists for the students of NBS which is the Business School.
  4. The requirements for the Business School is a formal attire and dupattas are considered part of the formal attire.
  5. Male students in Jeans were fined.
sarfraz
September 27, 2013 6:20 pm

@Rabia: I believe you are muslim. If so, please read Quran , Surah Noor, and you will find out the answer to your questions. We all, men and women, are supposed to follow the teachings of Islam. If Islam permits wearing jeans etc. then it is ok. As a general guideline, our actions should be in line with teachings of Islam, not against it. It is very simple. However, I also know many muslims for whom I can only say: Khud badaltay nahi Quran ko badal datay hain. May Allah Bless you.

MJ
September 27, 2013 6:21 pm

body hugging clothing came into being to expose womans's bodies and curves...these concepts come from the perverted minds of western designers....we like our Easternculture and dupattas look nice and one looks respectable in it. food...In the u.s many schools, work places have dress codes too.

sarfraz
September 27, 2013 6:28 pm

Wearing anything which is against the guidelines provided by Islam is not acceptable. Please read Quran, Surah Noor, and you will find out the answer. Mere criticizing will not work. Study what Islam say and than follow it. May Allah bless you with 'Elm-e-Nafay'.

Waqas Warraich
September 27, 2013 6:28 pm

Kudos, the way facts have been twisted by the author to prove that these institutes only victimize women. In fact it was the issue of university policy which is equally undermining the rights of both genders. Yes, mostly in our society, women are being reduced to the mere status of an object. But, please don't misquote and misrepresent the facts to minimize it to mere a woman issue which, in this case, is not.

Urooj
September 27, 2013 6:31 pm

And whats wrong with dressing up modestly...?? I think its good for the student as they will soon enter the practical phase and will have to pursue carrier, they will be required to follow the dress code of their work place. All professional organizations have a dress code around the world..you receive pages on what to wear and what not to wear at work on your appointment that focus on you appearing modest and professional . (my husband did ,we live in Toronto and he works for a multinational organization).For those working at the cash counters to CEOs appearing decent, modest and professional is important .Sorry lady but do you live in your living room only ,?? ,go out n see the world, and "Yes !! in the professional world You are undeserving the choice of what you want to wear",For you I would say, open you mind and see the world in practical ,realistic way .

Rehan
September 27, 2013 6:45 pm

Ma'am in your haste to blame NUST and propagate your liberal belief system, both of which you are entitled to, you've forgotten to do your research. The girls AND boys fined belong to NUST's business school and have been fined for violating the school's dress code that doesn't allow students to attend classes in jeans... BOYS AND GIRLS! You apparently have quite nice credentials, I wonder how doing a background check slipped you mind!?

Nasiroski
September 27, 2013 6:51 pm

@Ahmed: Before suggesting to others you should go back and "ponder" over the verses of "Surah e Nisa" without bias and pre-concieved notions, Allah will help you find the true meanings.

MH
September 27, 2013 6:54 pm

Such a childish and shamefull article by someone of the caliber of Rafia Zakaria! I am ammazed as to how Dawn is trying to portry NUST in particular and Pakistan in general as being run by Taliban! Go and read the facts Rafia. NBS has a rule for both male and female students to wear formal clothing. Stop this negative image portryal of NUST which is one of the finest institutes in country.

Gulbaz Mushtaq
September 27, 2013 6:55 pm

There is a legend that when Hulagu Khan attacked Baghdad in 1258, the Muslim intellectuals were busy in furious debate on issue as to "how many angels can pass through a needle-hole". Since many days, the way Dawn is pursuing this matter is very unbecoming. What if an educational institute has adopted dress code? What right of those students has been infringed by NUST's policy? People are dying due to lack of food. A security guard in your streets, before banks and plazas is taking Rs.6000 per month for 12 hour duty a day. Don't you see real issues around to highlight?

Bilal Anjum
September 27, 2013 6:58 pm

people, in my opinion, should wear whatever they feel like wearing...it's 2013, it's time people should progress as time goes along...there's nothing wrong in girls wearing jeans or tights or whatever !!!...

Khurrum
September 27, 2013 7:03 pm

@Rafia. Please do some research before writing anything. NUST has a dress code and it is norm for institutes to have dress code. Please check the link for details. So please don't make this an issue and rather spend you time and energy on real issues. http://www.nust.edu.pk/INSTITUTIONS/Colleges/CEME/Campus-Life/Student%20Affairs/Pages/Policies---Procedures.aspx

farrukh
September 27, 2013 7:01 pm

I am regular reader of dawn,specially madam Rafia Zakaria. But my views are contrary to her. The high will be immodest dressing the higher will be the sexual abuse. The ratio and incidents of rape in Pakistan is increasing day by day. As I read and listen these cruel incidents in social media I remind the immodest dressing which is the main cause of sexual violence. And being a Muslim it also does not allow and suits on a respectable lady.

Sid
September 27, 2013 7:11 pm

@Mansoor Rehman: 100% agreed

Ayaz
September 27, 2013 7:17 pm

The dress cod had been there since NUST was made and only the business school students as the leaders of tommorw are supposed to wear the formal dresses .In rest of the Schools at nust the jeans is allowed like in other university of Pakistan.Now some cry babies took admission to NUST who were following all these regulation they are fighting against now,when they were in colleges.Dawn news have gone freak ,this is the second articles exagirating the fuss only

Urooj
September 27, 2013 7:18 pm

@ Rafia It was a year back when an organization here in Toronto ,that works for Women rights and gender equality ,had a protest on similar kind of issue like that you have mentioned here.I think it would be interesting for you to learn about it (it may give you ideas for your next column}. So Here in Canada they have a Law that Men can go topless in public places but women can not (they r so backward, Right !! ?) Women will have to pay fine if they do so...(how unfair) So that organization staged a protest against that inequality with a dozen of women topless on a major road and demanded that women should be given equal rights as men and that there should be changes in the law ....Sister ,,its time we should learn whats right and wats wrong ,and where things can lead us ,,when ppl go astray there is no limits ,so sm limits are good AND I know women of my country know whats right for them and whats not .

Imran B
September 27, 2013 7:25 pm

The sad truth is that 90 percent muslim men are hypocritical when it comes to equal rights for women. ('Boys will be boys' kind of argument). Insecure about their own sexuality and ability to compete with women, muslim men have argued against equal rights for women, using crutches of religion and culture.

At university level, dress code should say, " Dress moderately". and let that be left to the interpretation of young adults. Any extremes should be discouraged by the admin.

I would also discourage burqa's and niqabs just as much as shorts and revealing tight clothing.

Common sense people.

Allah Wasaya
September 27, 2013 7:22 pm

My problem is that why are we focusing on the lengths of shalwars and their tightness when we have bombings rapes and destruction happening all around us.

Cant we as a nation get our act together and focus on those issues. We should be problem solvers not the creators.

jar
September 27, 2013 7:26 pm

Just like the Monarchs, Military Services and all people of the high tier of any society have a dress code, so does the Muslim woman. And it is in no way meant to belittle them, but is in fact a uniform that demands respect and high regard.

Obaid
September 27, 2013 7:40 pm

@IBN-E-ASHFAQUE:

It should be voluntary and not enforced.

Imran B
September 27, 2013 7:39 pm

Do we (adults) really need someone to tell us how and what to wear at the university level? What has happened to common sense and moderation.

Young adults should be allowed self expression, no matter in good or bad taste. people go through self discovery, learn and change as they grow up. Barring extreme indecency on campus, there should be no uniform, or guidelines at this place.

We certainly don't want more of the same, rigid minded, religion quoting and logic absent robots coming out of universities of Pakistan.

ali raza
September 27, 2013 7:41 pm

@rafia zakaria mam my humble request to you is, if you are honest with your profession then atleast visit NUST to verify the news.

Farhan Khan
September 27, 2013 7:52 pm

Sorry ma'am. Your logic doesn't cut. NUST has not imposed morality but a dress code which they have all the right. You are mixing up things. Once we are Muslims and Islam has prescribed separate dress codes for men and women, why the fuss? Declare yourself out of Islam and do whatever you want like your Ideal Aryan Hirsi Ali. You are merely copy pasting her arguments but I respect her because she had the gumption to rebel and declare her beliefs. I am not condoning rapes etc but here we are talking of dress codes in Islam to which we have wilfully submitted ourselves

BRR
September 27, 2013 7:59 pm

@IBN-E-ASHFAQUE: May Allah or nature give you the common sense to leave others alone and not interfere with their lives.

Sohail Jumani
September 27, 2013 8:06 pm

What I think is that great nations always have their own culture which also includes dress codes. I'm not a conservative minded person. But I believe these limitations and rules must be there to differentiate a nation from the rest of the world.

Hasnain
September 27, 2013 8:08 pm

Everyone at NUST joined the school by their own choice and no one forced them. They have to follow the rules and regulations of the institution and not of their own Just like when one joins a company (to work for) they follow their rules and regulations to stay on/to be part of them and not your own. Anyway, Pakistan is an islamic country and being muslim you have to have some decency in your attire and dress code as well. The out of leash nation and societies or part of it (on the name of modernization) needs to be controlled in every sense. We need to know who we are and not 'Kaowa chala hanss ki chaal, apni bhi bhool giya'.

hasib
September 27, 2013 8:12 pm

I am surprised to know that wearing decent dresses is unacceptable anymore and women demand freedom in clothing and fashion more than respect they should demand instead of choice of clothes. Being a NUSTian I know NUST does not discriminate among its students and repect female students. So Ms Zakria and Dawn staff, Please do your journalism decently, otherwise you will loose your readers for writing and supporting such nonsense.

bkt
September 27, 2013 8:14 pm

Your argument is misleading. The university has a specific dress code, made out to ensure that dress of all students is kept simple and equally affordable. Jeans are against the dress code for both sexes due to their being an informal dress and open chappals are usually not allowed to men -- even if women get to wear these comfortable shoes. Coming to college is not about showing a flair for fashion, unless this were a fashion school, which NUST is not. It is about studying.

Drakool
September 27, 2013 8:27 pm

@Salman Daud: Lab coat & dupatta in a B-school? What for??

Drakool
September 27, 2013 8:30 pm

@Mansoor Rehman: When you want admission at a prestigious university, do you have much of a choice but to sign things willingly?

Paki
September 27, 2013 8:32 pm

Looking at your intellect @ Rafia, you don't deserve such an article. Totally, biased, misguided .... Think better and write better, which I think you can. Don't misguide the World about our culture and this poor country .... I know such write-ups/mis-guided news are liked very much outside Pakistan. Don't look at everything from Western eye. Universities can have a proper dress that they deem fit for their environment and culture.

Drakool
September 27, 2013 8:32 pm

@IBN-E-ASHFAQUE: Really? Neither the Qaid-e-Azam nor Allama Iqbal followed such a 'code'. Yet they stand as the founder and builder of this nation. And jeans were not in fashion then. I do not remember NED College kids being told to wear anything specific even in Ayub's rule!

ADEEL
September 27, 2013 8:38 pm

Well said, but the burgeoning situation of misogyny in Pakistan and India speaks itself. The Girls should be dressed to Cover, but not to Advertise themselves.

Aziz
September 27, 2013 8:47 pm

@Hassan Talal: There is enough coverage on the 'REAL' issues but you chose to read this article. Also, as far as I am concerned and the women of Pakistan, this is a very real issue for them.

RK
September 27, 2013 8:49 pm

Is their any scientific study which shows that girls who wear jeans etc fair poorly in studies when compared to those who wear traditional clothes?

Hammad
September 27, 2013 8:49 pm

its sad this negative propaganda by uninformed ppl like you.im a student of kmc.Yes uniform has been implemented but for all,boys girls both.and abaya/headscarf is OPTIONAL.and abt jeans in nust i guess its banned both for girls and boys.keep yourself informed

paras behrani
September 27, 2013 8:51 pm

soon there will be a BURKA act in the country...

sadia
September 27, 2013 9:07 pm

The Blog is very well written. We as Pakistanis are moving towards absolute talibanisation. Its very sad to hear how an institute can dictate young women what they should be wearing. It is absolute violation of basic human rights. Why women in Pakistan are not allowed to ban men jeans? It is something like talibans start imposing on all males to keep long beards. We all need to understand freedom of other fellow humans regardless of their gender.

I hope we get out of this extremism of imposing our thoughts on others particularly women.

Muhammad Tariq
September 27, 2013 9:12 pm

Maam, Your views are respected, But your thoughts doesn't reflect the real bitter truths,,, In French Universities when Admins banned the Scarf Muslim girls fought to regain the freedom, In german' US , UK, ect.... Long list ... Womens owe the respect... We see them getting top positions in the same University,, In all Board Exams every where.... But so called freedom does not means to dress against the religion and May I clearify you that we are living in muslim worlds,, although black sheeps are there.. Also created by ourself in the name of so called freedom in the form of Internet ... Foreign media... Why did u never mentioned the efforts of Gordan Brown ex British PM to stop pornography sites completely in the UK,, Now the UK parents are convinced that so called freedom given to their young guns didn't yielded in the right direction... This thing is imposed by parents nt left as CHOICE by their kids....

G.A.
September 27, 2013 9:12 pm

@Ahmed: So 'he' wants to use the Quran to guide 'her'. 'He' can do as 'he' pleases because its a man's world after all. No wonder TTP is having a field day in our Islamic Republic. The state needs to get out of women's clothing.

Saira
September 27, 2013 9:24 pm

Aunty intihai ghalat sochi hein

Abdul Hadi
September 27, 2013 9:26 pm

College admisnitration need to initate dialogue with students and parents. Share concerns with students and be respectful to students and parents. Every organization has rules and if rules are made available to new students before admission then students need to observe all rules.

Wait a minute, college admistration should think twice what they are achieving forcing someone to be good person per their views. Can they force anything outside college what girls wear ? NO. then please try to educate and convince girls what is not good and why. Coveing all body is good. No doubt. But Islam don't prescribe material and design of clothes. there is nothing wrong if girls where jeans which cover full body. Also if they wear little longer shirts covering lover body that is perfect comfortable dress.

Let Allah do His job of judging people.

Tahira
September 27, 2013 9:53 pm

Let those who dislike this new rule transfer to another university. It would have been better if the girls had themselves decided to dress more modestly. I am not for Burqa or other restricting outer coverings. Burqa can be abused by bad people too. Look at the lady in burqa who kidnapped the 13 year old girl from school for rape and killing. Also burqa was used by the cleric who shamefully tried to escape from Lal Masjid to save himself rather than face the situation like others. While modest dress is expected of ladies, flouncing their movements in tight jeans etc is simply copying the West, Bollywood and fashion shows on stage and showing disdain for muslim culture in the name of freedom and women's rights.

Aisha Shaukat Awan
September 27, 2013 9:59 pm

Ms. Rafia has referred to the Chinese torture in the beginning . If introduction and imposition of a dress code is torture that creates disastrous psychological issues, then our institutions are involved in this torture ever since the beginning of our kids’ education. We torture them through the implementation of dress code in schools; we punish them for wearing anything but their uniform. What is a uniform if not a dress code?

The issue has been discussed in a way that frames it in a completely different light. Our media has played a great role in introducing and promoting a culture where “modest” seems “oddest.” Media is in love with the issue of gender and religion; and rightly so because they are in unconditional love with the western powers. And what is amazing is that reporters from our major newspapers all speak the language of the West. Some are getting the equipment from them; some are dependent on western media’s aid. Just like our nation is dependent on financial assistance of the West, our media are no less; and hence, they must take forward their agenda in order to be eligible for prestige, popularity, and acceptance in the western world. Responsibility, ethical obligations, and journalistic research are put aside. I would suggest you do little more research on the topic before you write so vehemently.

Aftab Hussain Malik
September 27, 2013 9:59 pm

Dear to be PhD ! I am an alum of NUST and a witness to glorious past/present of it.Dress code or attendence record is a shining example with its mark in Asia's leading universities.You have all the rights to liberate suppressed lot of our society but provoking / misleading youth from their culture should not be your only lifetime objective. Dressing up in tights,low neck or in any revealing western style etc is no proud for a woman of any country.NUST or any institute is established to benefit human beings not as a fashionita walk ramp. Pakistani society needs strength from within but the way you are leading is a very dangerous path to anyone's daughter /sister. Please avoid landing in extreme regions of opinion /reaction. Taliban and so called liberals done too much damage to our values & true face of Islam.

waqas pervaiz
September 27, 2013 10:07 pm

a good decision by NUST administration. it is necessary to control increasing vulgarity.

Hijab Naqvi
September 27, 2013 10:12 pm

The policy is really good and should be imposed in all colleges/universities. A very commendable initiative taken by NUST. This would not only abolish the class difference but would also provide a chance to girls who are hard working but get low grades just because they can't fascinate others by their looks and dress up.

TKhan
September 27, 2013 10:25 pm

Let them have the freedom to wear what Girls want, it only last couple of years of their lives anyway. After that they will come back to shalwars - to comply with the call of the mother time!

shall_1
September 27, 2013 10:23 pm

@Rabia: It is not about teaching modesty, it is about implementing the Law which has been prescribed by Allah Subhanahu wa Taala in Quran, and has been implemented by the 4 Righteous Caliphs. If wearing jeans and removing clothes is the sign of enlightenment, then those who live in jungle, are more civilized than us. Don't forget it is Islam which has liberated women, and not the western culture which you preach and die for. In West women are more molested and raped then any part of the world, they are treated as commodity, and in Islamic countries they are treated as mothers sisters, daughters, and wives, and not as girlfriends, mistresses, and escorts. I believe you got my point.

mumtaz
September 27, 2013 10:31 pm

A conservative dress code is meant to protect women. If women ( as well as men) who believe and reflect on the guidance sent to us, they will come to the same conclusion. Western system is a patch system where they invite to do outright wrong stuff and they put certain rules on the evil actions to protect yourself. e.g. "don't drink and drive"

Khurram Nawaz
September 27, 2013 10:27 pm

Ms. Rafia - As I was going through your article, I was thinking this must be from some amateur lousy writer, only to realize your worthwhile credentials mentioned towards the end. I suggest you to kindly do proper research before you form an opinion and post something in a newspaper blog next time only to do justice to your educational qualifications, instead of creating a hoopla of multiple things only to satisfy your pre conceived notion. Here is a link to a write-up from a current student of NUST school of Social Sciences and Humanities explaining the real issue. And guess what writer is female as well.

System Engineer
September 27, 2013 10:30 pm

I am a faculty member at NUST and have done my PhD from Europe. Have travelled across world as researcher and have attended various academic institutes. In my view

"Author has economised the truth and invented few things in her article either intentionally or due to lack of research aptitude. 1. NUST has a dress code for both BOYS and GIRLS. Both are fined for improper dressing. Its not a gender issue as described by author. Its a discipline issue. 2. This is NOT A NEW RULE. Dress code clause has been in the Statues since very beginning of NUST and students and their parent guardian agree to abide by these out of FREE WILL. 3. There are systems in place which are available to students for addressing any unfair treatment/fines etc. 4. No one is forcing these students to study at NUST. They are free to leave and join any University. 5. There are dress codes in all universities of the world. e.g read article 1.12 and 1.13 in the link below http://www.ucl.ac.uk/pharmacy/documents/registrydocs/PhDStudentInfo/PhD_Handbook (Specifically where it says "

  1. Please see that the even the Cambridge University has some kind of dress code . http://www.queens.cam.ac.uk/student-information/tutorial-information/degree-day/dress-code

So in my humble view the author has shown lack of research aptitude by failing to find out that the dress code is for both Boys & Girls, its not a new rule as she says (it has been there all along). She has sensationalised a disciplinary issue in to a gender issue for obvious reasons. She has established that she is not willing to go out and see that even the so called modernised world has dress code requirements in their universities.

All in all based on her this article i would recommend a major re-write of her thesis (whatever it is and if the thesis is written with the same rigour and zeal as this article) and recommend that PhD degree should not be awarded to her until major re-write :)

mimi sur
September 27, 2013 10:31 pm

@Ms.Rafia Shall I need to remind you the name of country , "Islamic republic of Pakistan" ?Why do you waste your time in writing such articles and end up getting comments which oppose your views vociferously ?

Uzair
September 27, 2013 10:32 pm

Khyber Medical College always had a uniform/dress code. The headscarf or Abbaya is optional, and the dress code applies to male students as well. In this case, it's white shalwar kameez, or white shirt with grey pants.

aysha
September 27, 2013 10:38 pm

just live the way you live ..... dress the way you dress .... be yourself, nothing else

arslan
September 27, 2013 10:42 pm

maam the name of our country is islamic republic of pakistan ..and being the citizens of pakistan ther are some limitations which we should ners cross specially in educational institute..it is a best step taken by the best engineering university nust..in educational institutes we should come to learn not to just flirt orto show others how modern i am ..sorry but your views on freedom are extreme... majority of pakistani like this step ..

Student of nust
September 27, 2013 10:51 pm

They just want to run NUST H-12 like a military college. These things wont change unless administration is handed over to civilians from army officials.Army officials just can not change their authoritarian style of thinking.They say 76% of the people at the university are from either lower middle class or from middle class and they are burdening students with such heavy fines.They try to emulate MIT but impose restrictions which are imposed nowhere else in the world

Raheel Hussain
September 27, 2013 10:53 pm

I feel that NUST management has decided rightly so because these days we talk alot about problems with women. Women's are creating problem for themselves as well as for other girls. I am shocked to see that most of the girls has given every right by their family to study and wear according to their wishes. still many girls think that they are too restrictive because they want even more freedom then what they have got. This freedom is evil for themselves. they need to think what is appropriate for them

Sabeeh Hasan
September 27, 2013 11:08 pm

You have no clue what you are talking about. You need to be more responsible and verify your facts before doing such abominable misreporting.

khurram
September 27, 2013 11:18 pm

if men and women want to be respected they should first learn to respect themselves

Kash
September 27, 2013 11:22 pm

@Anjum Hameed: BTW...army families are the most liberals in our society. But they use Islam to run the country.

naz
September 27, 2013 11:56 pm

Happen what may, our women want to copy the west. But is there any concept in them that we are Muslims, if we consider it of some importance. If so, should the codes of Isam be adopted or not? There is a huge differece in fashion and extra fashion or vulgarity. If One wants to wear a dress that shows every part of body then what is the reason to wear it???? If someone dares to do something in aprovement in society the modern Writers comes to make his life a hell like. Only for publicity please dont misguide the youth. The action is positive and must be praised than criticized. Please think twice before such writing.

Anam Gill
September 27, 2013 11:57 pm

Human beings have searched for a universal sense of truth, values, ethics, morality and justice in many places and at many times. In view of relativism this search is hopeless and futile because the concepts of truth and falsehood, right and wrong, rights and duties, can exist and be valid only in specific context that gives them meaning and consequently have no universal validity.

Hassan
September 27, 2013 11:57 pm

"Class differences apparent in the attire of male students were evidently not a problem."

Yes, becuase male students usually do not wear tights and do not stoop to showing off their body. This cheapness is gender specific, so a little control is not that unwarranted! Let's stop whining for a while, and be normal.

Pakistani
September 27, 2013 11:58 pm

Ms. Rafia.. Since you have been worked at so many international reputed organizations and have lots of knowledge of this world as per your introduction given at the end of this article.

Please spare some time and read quran with translation, Insha Allah you will start writing for the sake of your own sisters as well..

May Allah bless everyone of us.

ANOOSHAH
September 28, 2013 12:04 am

Miss Rafia ur column contains incomplete information and with lack of background knowledge. For your information the dress code was issued in NUST 90's and every student who entered NUST sign the code of conduct in which dress code is mentioned. not only childs signature but parents signatures are also taken. Jeans was not allowed in only business school of NUST whereas I m in engineering department and can waer jeans and short any time without any fine.every campus has their rules and regulations and students have to follow them.

I m extremely disappointed at ur article and my paksitan's journalism where butt heads like ur carrying their laptops and consider themselves voice of the country. next time when u go and write about NUST first go through their code of conduct and one more thing do check harvard dress code as well!!!!!!!!! so if NUST has one so please stop barking! please we the students have no issue with this dress code.

Pakistani
September 28, 2013 12:01 am

@NotNeeded:

People like you wants to see things have to happen in Pakistan like happening in India.. Think before giving comments...

John
September 28, 2013 12:06 am

What is the prescribed dress code for men?

Pakistani
September 28, 2013 12:03 am

@IBN-E-ASHFAQUE: Those who are giving down votes, if they are Muslims then be careful.. you are saying no, to what has been told in Islam and you will be hot waters at the day of judgement.

Wake up..

Pakistani
September 28, 2013 12:11 am

@Ahmed: Those who are giving down votes over here can't be consider as Muslims.. Ahmed has correctly said so.. Read Surah Nisa...Whats wrong over here??

Only a non muslim can put a down vote here..

Media is the real culprit who is creating all this fuss and involving a simple person in an issue where one can be move from a muslim to a non muslim...

Its appalling..

Pakistani
September 28, 2013 12:15 am

@Khalid: My brother.. Learn your culture and religion.. Life is very short.. At the end of the day, you will know what you have done in this world..

Hamza
September 28, 2013 12:34 am

dear miss, u did a great effort you are very much right but not all of them is correct.

ALi
September 28, 2013 12:38 am

Miss Rafia .. I think if some one is trying to make girls wear some thing appropraite not not jeans and tights then u should support it rather than discouraging it .. You liberal minded pseudo intelectuals think that women;s right means that if they wanna wear shorts in public then they should hav a right to do so ... plz dont support and preach nonsense

Janikhel
September 28, 2013 12:39 am

@GM: Men with many insecurities in their lives behave as such to impress and supress females, so the men would feel that they have accomplished a great challenge, leave the poor females alone, they carry a great burden of our rotten system and the misery thrusted upon them, lets NOT make a National issue of a non-issue, and the whole nation gets on the band wagon of a great debate.

HA
September 28, 2013 12:52 am

Islam/Quran commands women to hide their beauty in public. This has a good logic in it only if we can contemplate! A country can make a rule if it deems necessary. Similarly, a university can also make a rule if it deems good. Muslims may not comprehend the logic behind what Allah is commanding, or citizens may not understand the pros and cons of a certain rule, so on and so forth. The bottomline is are we really willing to obey Allah? or follow a certain rule of a country where we live? For example, some european countries have banned scarf on women. They did it according to their inclinations or beliefs. If a muslim woman does not like that idea, she can leave that country and go to some other country. Pakistan being a country with Islamic background, one, even if he or she is a non-muslim, should try to understand where he or she is standing. Quran is an open letter to the human beings from Allah with no doubt in it, according to Islam, and as such one must take out some time to read it with understanding.

Mehreen
September 28, 2013 12:57 am

I agree with a previous comment that instead of wasting time on petty issues we should be discussing issues affecting lives of thousands. Besides, a modest dress code is required by a muslim woman so that she is not discussed amongst crowd based on her figure but her intellect. I wear scarf by choice and have a career in USA with a graduate degree from one of the most prestigious universities and its ironic that people here respect that but my fellow Pakistanis think I am subjugated. We need to broaden our perspectives and need to understand that women can cover themselves by choice too.

Muhammad Tayyab
September 28, 2013 1:00 am

@Hassan Talal: good point yaar.you have told the truth.

Khalid
September 28, 2013 1:06 am

@Ahmed: What a wonderful comment. I didn't realise Quran tells us what dress we should wear for various occasions. Can anyone help me please?. I need to attend a black tie dinner next week in an industry awards ceremony and I live in the UK. Is black tie dress approved by Quran?.

muhibbewatan
September 28, 2013 1:15 am

Sounds like the ancient times are being revived even though we live in the 21st century now. Isn't there someone in our country who can lead a 'fightback' to reorient the KARTA DHARTA elite (the administrators) about the 'modern outlook' on life itself. The obscene is totally unacceptable.....period. However, any form of dressing should be made acceptable as long as it is comfortable and suitable to the people wearing it and to the working environment without giving offense to any one. The mindset of menfolk needs to be revamped in such a way that they do not associate any modern garment with any kind of obscenity without proper justification.

Khalid
September 28, 2013 1:14 am

Looks like this topic (like every other topic and our living in general) has been hijacked by all the banned organisations. I have not and will not dictate to my mother, sister, daughter or wife as to what they should wear for each occasion. This is crazy. I can see Pakistan being dragged down by these Mullahs. God save Pakistan from the Mullahs (or their sympathisers). The world is progressing (in education, study of physics, chemistry, medicine and engineering) like no one's business and we are still discussing what we should wear?.

Breaking Bad
September 28, 2013 1:15 am

@Hassan Talal: You know it takes bricks to construct a building. Such 'small' events will lead to larger consequences. Tomorrow this imposition of a certain type of clothing or garment will become compulsory in every street of Pakistan. Then what? You're right, killing, disasters and ethnic killing are bigger problems for sure. But these are the results of our society's hyper-islamic doing.

Breaking Bad
September 28, 2013 1:20 am

@Ahmed: Using Islam as a means of logic rather than a means of living. NOW we're talking.

waqar
September 28, 2013 1:39 am

I do not understand what's so wrong with dressing modestly that girls are revolting against it.. The only limiting factors in women's dressing choice should be 2 things.(if they are muslim that is).. 1- The dress should cover the body in a manner that it shouldn't be 'revealing'.. 2- the dress should not highlight the contours of the body... and thats it! wear whatever you want until these two rules stand. and its not my rules.. its Islam's rules, i m just reminding you. Personally, i am ok with loose jeans, but tights definitely do not stand under these rules.. If you are non muslim.. do whatever you want :) no problem at all.. no actually, even then you ll have to respect the norms of a muslim society, the whole catalogue wont and should not be available even then..

NBS Alumna
September 28, 2013 1:47 am

I can't believe the extent if yellow journalism rampant in pakistan. Being a female and having graduated from NBS i would like to say that you should check the credibility of your sources before blowing things out of proportion. The dress code (formal/corporate) is (has always been) for the business school because of the nature of the environment that these students will be exposed to in the future and is part of the grooming experience for presenting oneself as a business professional for the corporate sector of pakistan and abroad. It has nothing to do with extremism, female/male oppression, people going insane etc. This is a highly irresponsible use of media and air time which should be directed towards much more important issues that have plagued and retarded the growth of Pakistan.

Ali K
September 28, 2013 1:44 am

The arguments of the author fail just because they are based on a flawed premise: secularism. A simple counter-argument to the author's is that "since Pakistan's constitution is derived from Islamic principles, the laws, regulations, by-regulations etc must be made in conformance with the Islamic principles. Therefore, NUST decision was correct. It was never a case of freedom based on secular principles." So, being a PhD candidate, the author should have known the bounds of her reasoning and logical rationalization. What she should have tried to reason was that this dress code restriction was un-Islamic rather than proving it as a violation of some freedom based on secular principles.

Ali K
September 28, 2013 1:47 am

@Rabia: You are absolutely correct. But two wrongs do not make it right. You should know that what men do is also wrong. This is hypocrisy, but you as a person should be able to rise above it and not adopt it because someone else does it too.

ss
September 28, 2013 2:01 am

So what is wrong with wearing Jeans... today's business world is not about dress code it's all about innovation, ingenuity and creative ways of doing business. Business schools and businesses in Pakistan needs to get out of idiosyncrasy of keeping old bank type traditions that include dress code. Instead they should promote boundless environment so that youth can be free and creative to work with global competition.

Dr Mazhar
September 28, 2013 2:12 am

I think the best way to overcome dress issues in educational institutes is the implementation of a particular uniform. We (men and women) have to stick to the dress codes according to the society and culture. So people who oppose wearing jeans should discourage saudi style burqas as well because this is not what Pakistani culture is.

Akhtar Mazloom
September 28, 2013 2:11 am

You are free to wear your burkas, your hijaabs, your naqaabs ... :)

zulkifl
September 28, 2013 2:15 am

There are very few institutions left in Pakistan that are doing great work, NUST is one of them. As a NUST Alumni let me make it clear that it is not the first time such rules are being implemented in this academic institution; also there is no discrimination in dress code for boys and girls, formal dress code is also applicable to boys. And this formal dress code limitation is only for couple of colleges of NUST; which has more than 20 colleges in total. Majority of them has no to very limited dress code restrictions depending on the field of study. So not appreciating all the good work NUST has done and criticising it for imposing fines for violating dress codes of the college is highly unfortunate.

This is a good article by current NUST student...hope it helps... http://zainabkhawaja.wordpress.com/2013/09/26/special-feature-the-nust-controversy-the-rectorspeech/

Dr Mazhar
September 28, 2013 2:16 am

I think the best way to overcome dress issues in educational institutes is the implementation of a particular uniform. We (men and women) have to stick to the dress codes according to the society and culture. So people who oppose wearing jeans should discourage saudi style burqas as well because this is not what Pakistani culture is.

Rehan
September 28, 2013 2:38 am

" women have become used to being reduced to the sum total of their clothing choices."

What a joke....have you ever been to a mall or shopping center in any part of the country. You will find more than 80% shops selling feminine dresses and more than 80% shoppers in the same gender. So what do they do with these clothes ? hang them in wardrobe ? NO .. they wear them as and when they desire. Inside home, outside in parties and on any casual outings. Now coming to an institute where a student chose to go, they have to follow their rules. If you don't like them then go somewhere.

I live in USA and this is what we're told repeatedly. If you don't like our rules, then leave this country. If i don't like'em, i have a choice to leave the country or live in this country while disliking but still obeying without complaining !!!

Saifur Rahman
September 28, 2013 3:10 am

Is Pakistan going in a backward direction--towards the dark ages? It is ridiculous even to think that in this 21st Century, somebody somewhere in this world can still impose penalty on women for wearing Jeans pants. Hippolytus’s dripping water is in fact eating way whatever remains of civilization that is still left in Pakistan. Hope can only rest upon modern educated young generations—they have the power to save this great nation from this down ward spiral of conscience. Will they shoulder that patriotic responsibility and make history?

Abbas Syed
September 28, 2013 3:06 am

In nineteen sixties University of Karachi had a former military official as its administrator who had made compulsory for students while on campus to wear black gowns, a black robe like present day abaya. Teaching staff was also required to wear those gowns but of different colour. The administrator also required that boys and girls while together maintain certain distance. To monitor this he had appointed proctors.

Sundus
September 28, 2013 3:32 am

I am curious as to why, in this article, women are being portrayed as weak little human beings, suppressed by the so-called 'tyrants' running the university? At NUST Business School (NBS), there is no gender discrimination; both boys and girls have to follow a certain dress code that is mentioned very clearly in the prospectus. Whoever violates the code is fined, be it a male student or female. With all due respect Miss Rafia, you should try obtaining accurate, factual information before you attempt to write a piece about women oppression.

@Rabia: The dress code, promoting formal attire, which prepares the students for a corporate environment later on in life, is ONLY present in NBS. No future engineer or architect studying at NUST has any dress code implemented on them; they may wear whatever they are comfortable in.

Gulbagh Singh
September 28, 2013 3:47 am

Watch your economy going down the drain instead of focusing on non-issues. Check your currency's decline, jobs, investments, energy security, food security, health care.

naghman qureshi
September 28, 2013 3:54 am

its sad all these rules for women around the world are made by men.i wonder if these would apply to pakistani women in armed forces,banks,police,airlines.these men would would go hungry if these rules were applied to women at the time of harvest when everyone is busy picking the crops shoulder to shoulder,in the villages.shame on all of us.

Usmanwrites
September 28, 2013 4:05 am

One cannot compare apples with oranges same goes for males and females.men and women are equal but their responsibilities are different, if we will violate the laws of nature then destruction of moral fabric is ultimate,putting females on the men place is like depleting ozone layer. If you do so it might bring short term benefits as the industrial revolution did but ultimately it was revealed that industrial revolution is causing global warming same thing will happen if we keep on violating the injunctions of Islam regarding gender roles.I am waiting for an article by respected madam in which men are screaming that they want to get pregnant :this seems logical as women can get pregnant why can't men.................. but it is unnatural

Sonal
September 28, 2013 4:13 am

I am amazed by the number of dislikes all comments, which are mostly pro-woman, have.

Desi surfie
September 28, 2013 4:15 am

"NUST has really gone NUTS"...Apart from humiliating students for not adhering to strict dress code,They are also financially penalizing Parents...Assuming most of the students are not working part time to support themselves .

Imran
September 28, 2013 4:39 am

A cursory look at the list of students would have revealed that male students were also fined for wearing jeans. This fact was not mentioned in the article. While I agree with the author's take in general, the case of NUST needs to be looked at from the perspective of only one of many departments at the University. This article is based on half truths and that's unfortunate.

mazhar
September 28, 2013 4:56 am

I think the best way to overcome dress issues in educational institutes is the implementation of a particular uniform. We (men and women) have to stick to the dress codes according to the society and culture. So people who oppose wearing jeans should discourage saudi style burqas as well because this is not what Pakistani culture is.

Moin khan
September 28, 2013 5:03 am

@Ahmed: Author needs to read shura e tuba. It clearly states that Muslim women should not expose even her toe nails.

Nisar Ahmad
September 28, 2013 5:43 am

It is the responsibility of every society to ensure the preservation of its morality, however it defines it. The issue many Pakistanis have is that in their pursuit of becoming like the gora, i.e. Westernization, they are failing to realize that the very West they blame for every single one of their problems, is the same West that they are allowing to dictate to them their standards of morality. Due to post-modernism, the West is not forming a new standard of morality, rather it is destroying all forms of morality that have anything to do with oneself. As long as it does not harm anyone, you can do whatever you want, is the basic message, from stirpping naked in public to having illicit relations with as many people as you want, whether they are of your gender or not does not matter. One of the reasons many religious traditions, especially the Abrahamic religions, dictate women to dress modestly is to dignify women by allowing their personalities to accentuate more than their physicality. Since after puberty the body of a woman expresses its beauty more prominently than men, it is only understandable that the requirement of covering for men is different from that of women based on religious moral standards. This is to dignify the woman, NOT to protect the gaze of man. Man still has to control his gaze. However, it is interesting to note that regardless many religious men dress as modestly as women by covering their entire body. This is recommended for men, as it is a Sunnah to dress modestly, but, yes, it is not an obligation.

Nisar Ahmad
September 28, 2013 5:43 am

If it is thought that the inappropriate dress code of a woman (anything that exposes her physicality excessively) is her liberation, then you are just being foolish, because the objectification of women is one of the strongest degradation of women here in the West. The key point is moderation. Do NOT oppress the women by objectifying them, like Western societies are doing, and do NOT oppress them by robbing them of their right to good education, opportunity of contribution in the progression of society, etc, like the Wahhabi extremists are doing. I would highly recommend everyone to watch videos of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, a Muslim convert scholar from America, in order to learn more about the traditional Islamic perspective on these controversial issues that the West is parading all over their news outlets. Once again, do not allow Hollywood culture to enslave to their standards of morality. Be proud of your religious tradition. Learn how to separate the propagandist claims about Islam from the actual reality of this beautiful religion.

Saad
September 28, 2013 6:35 am

Dear Ma'am, I'd like to take a moment to clear the misconception that's been spreading around regarding the imposition of mandatory abayas in the Khyber Medical College's uniform dress code. The protest by the students was against the issue of imposition of uniforms in general, not against any particular aspect of it Secondly, the abayas are an optional part of the dress code for those who wish to wear them, for those who wore them anyway even before the uniforms started. I'll include a link to the official college notice here (https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/11751023805512920713411359920335_n.jpg) for ease of clarification.

Apart from that, Kudos on the article. We don't really have many people who'd bother to think along these lines. Thankyou.

xPakistani
September 28, 2013 7:01 am

@Ahmed: I have read "Surah Nisan", in English, in Urdu also translation by Maulana Maddodi, pleas tell me what it teaches. There are only few references to women, even those are negative, like, it permits man to beat his wife, if condition meet, but doesn't say what women should do if same condition applies to man. Can she beat him up too, if not, why not? In Surah Nisan, it says, if a sister dies leaving behind nobody except a brother, brother get all her property - but when a brother dies, leaving behind nobody except one sister, she only get half of brother's worldly possession - question is who gets other half, Quran fail to explain.

Ma
September 28, 2013 7:05 am

@Ahmed: I read it and failed to find the shalwar mentioned as the only suitable attire!

Rizwan
September 28, 2013 7:25 am

@Mansoor Rehman: I agree with you sir!

imranrahbar
September 28, 2013 8:01 am

so your choice of dress code?? hmmmm, starting from dupatta, every thing is dispensable so start counting!!

ss
September 28, 2013 8:09 am

whoever and wherever men/administration decide to dress code, it reflects their intentions. Why men have to judge any women by the way she dresses, only Allah is the judge! Men have modified the teachings of Islam to their own benefit. As any Mullah with exception of few, if they know what Quran says...... almost all are uneducated, lacking the depth of Islam, they feel pleasure in talking about women........ check mullahs at You Tube. there is one whose speech is endless taking about women and shopping. "Allah save us from Mullahs" with their sickening mentality....... everyone Is responsible of ones own acts, so stop telling women, how to dress... Allah is not bothered about if we do not cover our heads, He will judge us from our deeds!

Mustafa
September 28, 2013 8:15 am

Every institution has a dress code written or unwritten. I am sure you cannot go to a university in UK wearing just sunglasses.

mohammad
September 28, 2013 8:17 am

NUST has done nice to maintain discipline in the institution. if jeans are not allowed that should be enforced. every where there is a dress code in institutions in the world. please do not break the discipline. NUST KEEP IT UP.

Gulshan
September 28, 2013 8:31 am

Well written Rafia!

shehzad leghari
September 28, 2013 8:37 am

Mam, how can you be so uneducated after achieving the highest standards in literacy. you just read and wrote all these years but did not educate your self? what a waste of an able mind. dress code in a club, hotel, formal dinner is acceptable, dress code in institution is not. why the blind following of modernity makes your mind go insane?and why do you think modesty stops brain from functioning? I see the other way round in your write up.

shehzad leghari
September 28, 2013 8:57 am

@John: prescribed dress code for men and women is formal wear in business school, the write up is a knee jerk by respected lady. :-)

Abbas
September 28, 2013 8:58 am

@IBN-E-ASHFAQUE: - Rafia muslim women and men have to adhere to a dress code = Yes, absolutely

  • May Allah give you the wisdom to understand that. Ameen = May Allah give you wisdom to understand that it's NOT a school's or for that matter anyone's responsibility to force you to do that! It's your choice and it's between you and Allah.
Abbas
September 28, 2013 8:56 am

@Ahmed: Again religion is between you and your God. NUST or any other college has nothing to do with it!

Abbas
September 28, 2013 8:58 am

Jinnah's speech....'You are free to go to your mosques, temples.....' i.e Religion has nothing to do with the business of the state - Teaching is business of the state. Religion has nothing to do with it. NUST can't dictate what these women or men should wear!

Venkatesh
September 28, 2013 9:04 am

@IBN-E-ASHFAQUE: OK! So they made sure that only Muslim girls were being fined? Hard to believe. On a more general note, giving girls the freedom to decide what they wear is not really important in itself: but it perhaps the first step in a very long road to more important freedoms and powers, within the family, within the community, and eventually in society at large. If you give today's girls the power to choose to dress as they like, then maybe 25 years later, you will find a couple of them in powerful and important positions: senior judges, bureaucrats, who actually get to control and decide on far more important issues. It is for this long shot, that we need to start working today, to instil confidence in them in small things like dress. Obviously, it would be useless if we stopped right after merely giving them freedom dress as they like. But let us start...

khalid
September 28, 2013 9:07 am

Every person should be dressed decently whether boy or girl. This should not be point of concern for institute of higher learning. These institute should focus how much knowledge they have created what is the outcome of R&D instead of controlling the dresses

shahida
September 28, 2013 9:12 am

don't be that much extreme to highlight the issue. Every institute has its rules, when European institutes and even Pakistani institutes put a ban on veil, we welcome it and call it the policy of institutes. and forget about the freedom of wearing veil . but when its about wearing indecent dressing we suddenly claim the rights of freedom with our so called liberal minds. in Islam girls are given choice to do dressing of their choice and adorn themselves. Only thing which is asked is that , don't make yourself a piece of show off publically. and all liberal minds have problem with this. They want women to be a piece of show off on the name of freedom of women. I can put on jeans or whatever I want but I have to see where I am wearing it. At home? at office? at university? or in bazars? Alhamdulillah as a Muslim woman , I am blessed to have all choices of dresses and Alhamdulillah I am in most protected and beloved hands of Allah swt, who ask me to cover myself publically for my own preciousness.

shahida
September 28, 2013 9:13 am

@Muhammad Mahmud Butt: well I don't decide it for my daughter but I decide it for myself because its the command of Allah swt.

shahida
September 28, 2013 9:20 am

@John: dress code is prescribed for men. they should not wear resham. they should not wear gold. they must cover their sattar. they should keep their dress not touching their ankles. and there are many other rules as well

shahida
September 28, 2013 9:18 am

@NotNeeded: they don't judge the women in clothes, they judge the women with lack of clothes :P

shahida
September 28, 2013 9:23 am

@Salman Daud: yes you are right , but in our country media and so called liberal minds have an extra corner for bringing the rights of women in limelight, where its not needed even. and the places where its needed most , they keep their mouths shut as they don't have enough courage to stand against those wadairas and zardaris who are actually suppressing women in their territories. and yes they love to misinterpret the facts. If NUST would have put ban on veil , they would have happily accepted it .

Adnan Latif
September 28, 2013 9:53 am

It seems that there are mostly military men in the administration of NUST. I had a similar issue with wearing running shorts while jogging in the Parks in Lahore. Nobody was bothered in the Race Course Park, however I was not allowed entry in parks in Cavalry and defence with shorts. If you look at the women going for walk in the above parks, then you will see that there are more burqa clad women in the Race Course Park than Cavalry or defence. NUST administration is not conservative but close minded. An administration which is so intolerant is not suitable for universities, where new ideas need to thrive.

di
September 28, 2013 10:26 am

@Hassan Talal: simple answer; go read the Quran

Kammikameen
September 28, 2013 10:26 am

@IBN-E-ASHFAQUE: How about you focus on you own akhirat and leave our adherence to us, without judging us? :-)

di
September 28, 2013 10:23 am

simple answer: Go read the Quran. It will give you the best response.

di
September 28, 2013 10:24 am

@Rabia: My dear sister in Islam, read the Quran and your questions will be answered.

Hiba
September 28, 2013 10:37 am

it would have been muchh better if women were taught the importance of modesty rather than imposing it on them.. it would be beautiful to see the women dressing up in a decent manner on their own...

Muneeb
September 28, 2013 10:46 am

With due respect, it has been quoted and re-quoted consistently that "NUST fined girls for wearing jeans" without knowing the point of relevence we are pleading and speaking on the so called DRESS CODE of female students. It is said that " HALF KNOWLEDGE IS DREADFUL". Before criticizing on something we must know the complete background and the needs of the situation. The So called DRESS CODE everyone is talking about is just intended for the GIRLS & BOYS of Business School. As the management students they are taught the basics of the cooperate world and formal dressing is the part of it. YES it was FORMAL DRESSING for the MANAGEMENT students and nothing else.And let me tell you BOYS in that school can't even wear jeans as it is the part of formal dress code. I myself am the engineering student at NUST and nothing conforms with this talk. There is no Dress code for any other school. Girls even don't wear dupattas and no one forces them to wear so and they wear jeans and let me tell you Girls have more respect in NUST then any other educational institution. NUST is the only university which holds international level events , including NIMUN (NUST internation model of united nation ) , WEC (World engineering congress) students from around the world are attracted by these events and NUST is the proud host.My question from our media is why are they ignoring such events? Why are they linking the FORMAL dress code with talibanization? what message are they sending to the international students who wish to study at NUST? NUST is the only Engineering university which is among the top 300 Engineering institutions.

Rafiq
September 28, 2013 10:52 am

@Ahmed: Sura Nisa and the author? Where are you, Sir? Didn't you know that she is a PhD. candidate in Political Philosophy? What has that to do with Sura Nisa? Indeed, better t o read Sura Noor. But those are read by other kind of PhDs, such as Ingrid Mattson. As full burqa with only two slits for the eyes, there is an interesting case in a London court where the judge has allowed a Muslim woman witness to keep on her dress when testifying in public. And her dress code is VOLUNTARY, by the way. Not only the author is outraged by the Dawn itself has gone to town with the news that NUST forbids its women students from exhibiting the contours of their well-shaped form at the campus through jeans and tights. Outside they are free to with their bodies as they wish. Aren't they?

Afaq Umair
September 28, 2013 10:54 am

"We all know that man and woman are equal as human beings but different from each other physically as well as emotionally. Being human do gives them a right of equality in terms of health, education and religious practice however their apparent differences define the domain of their roles and responsibilities of their gender. Both Islamically and traditionally, these roles and responsibilities of men and women are clearly defined and when the line of these roles gets blurred, the problems arise. Islamically speaking, the responsibilities of women include covering their entire body when going out. Islamic code of covering for women explicitly states that bodies of the women must be covered from head to toe and she must not wear clothing which reveals the curves and shape of her body. Jeans and tights actually do reveal the curves and shape of a woman's body and thus might actually entice a man for wrong doing. Pakistan is an islamic state where the Islamic law is supposed to be implemented and any such initiative which implements the Islamic values must be commended. I am not against the women rights and equality but seems the definition of equality for women has been greatly impacted by the western influence and is being slowly injected in our society through these columns which subliminally boast a wrong definition of 'equality'. In my opinion, the equality does not mean entering the domain of other gender, wearing men like clothes, showing off bodies but it actually means the right of good health, good education, religious practice and good deeds for both. I am very disappointed to read this article and the views of the author. "

Afaq

FASTIAN ISLAMABAD
September 28, 2013 11:26 am

The writer must read and understand "Surah Nisa " i am sure Quran will guide her and clarify lots of her queries.

Shahid
September 28, 2013 11:32 am

I agree with the decision because our new generation is slipping out of hands. These things come under discipline and in education institutions, most important thing we learn in discipline, which goes along way. In our religion, we are not allowed to wear these western dresses and it has a logic behind it. Our girls and women have very nice and decent dresses so please follow it and don't argue for the sack of argument. Must listen to elders and teachers. These are very small things to follow and if they follow these things, it will be easy for them to follow hard things, which will come in life ahead.

Adnan Ayubb
September 28, 2013 11:49 am

Nice Column. Female must abide by the basic rules and standard code.

Sarfraz
September 28, 2013 11:57 am

@Ahmed: You are fortunate to have your comments published while you referred Surah Nisah. I had same comments with some elaborations but the moderator of this blog did not like, hence not included. The fact is that this particular english media group always make such 'non'issues' into issues by providing it prominent spaces in its newspaper and website. Unfortunate. I will suggest people in this newspaper to contact Aalim-e-Deen of their choice for guidance when issues related to our religion crop up. What they do is they go to ENT specialist when having cardiac issue. This show their biased attitude towards Islam. "Khud badaltay nahn Quran ko badal datay hain" (Iqbal).

Sarfraz
September 28, 2013 12:01 pm

@Wajeeh: I believe you are a muslim. Read Surah Nisa and you will find the answer to your comments. May Allah bless you.

Anum
September 28, 2013 12:17 pm

Ma'am I appreciate your effort but it definitely lacks research and its just a mere opinion i would say. I am a NUST Alumni and have spent 5 years there. Jeans is allowed for every other girl in uni except for Business School girls as they are asked to wear a formal dress. Boys in the business school also come in dress pant shirt with a tie. I still remember my professor saying that we want you guys to be dressed formally so feel like professionals. They have kept moving chairs and everything executive to give us that feeling. They help us learning how to even talk to somebody thus improving our communication skills and I think dress is an important part of that as well. If one knows how to dress her up in a professional environment then things do go pretty well. They do not restrict us wearing jeans on any other occasion, parties or events, I would definitely recommend that kindly research well before you hit an institute like this !

Bilal
September 28, 2013 12:21 pm

We intend to address the consequence not the core issue - If you want girls to wear "appropriate dress" by your standard - don't impose it, try to sell the idea of covering them properly. This will further cause agitation among some - some will not be bothered by it.

What happened to freedom - Prophet could have imposed Islam on everybody but he opted to give them the idea first then let them know of limitations. Unfortunately, we've lost track of what/who we are.

Bottom line - Don't impose sell the idea - some will buy some won't - those who will good for them - those who don't put up a fine - Ofcourse only if you really want this to happen.

On the contrary you can teach kids to have mutual respect for others and not think of a dress as some sort of "eye pleasure".

Ali Tariq
September 28, 2013 12:27 pm

What a shame!! it would have been much much better had u done a single bit of research before writing this article! even though the logic makes sense and i myself agree that individuals at higher education level should be given choice of dressing up the way they want, but being a graduate of NUST myself i strongly condemn this article. I wonder what is dawn upto? do they publish all their articles without any research? The fact is that at NUST its not just the girls who have to follow a dress code!! its even the boys/men who have to abide by similar rules and regulations i.e. you got to wear a formal dress and a shirt!! NO JEANS ALLOWED TO BOYS EITHER!!! It's ludicrous the way a leading newspaper is portraying false perception about one of the most prestigious institute of our country!!! Kindly stop posting half sided stories as it is prudently said " a half truth is a FULL LIE"

Hamid Bilal Younis
September 28, 2013 12:43 pm

The writer needs to carry out proper home work before passing on comment like this and propagating false perspectives.

ummara
September 28, 2013 12:40 pm

Nust has a policy of no "informal wear". A guy was also fined for wearing jeans. So I don't think there is some Big Conspiracy to suppress women here.

Khurram Bhatti
September 28, 2013 12:43 pm

Ms Zakaria, mixing everything... from Hippolytus Di Marsellis's process for torture, child rapes, the killings for honour, and the harassment in public spaces... to the better test scores, superior study skills, and inventive ideas of our female students....all in the defense of an argument against dress code, I think its not a good idea. Issues need to be seen in their context only. A suggestion.

Mohsin
September 28, 2013 12:49 pm

based on Salman Daud comments......Shame on you Rafia Zakaria for being half honest

Khurram Bhatti
September 28, 2013 12:49 pm

@Salman Daud: as simple as that !

Abdul
September 28, 2013 12:50 pm

interesting article.but i think its a very good step.first of all every muslim shall follow the rules of islam and it also applies on boys as well.modesty has to be taught in home but unfortunately today parents feel proud if their children are so called brought minded.in islam there is no restriction of education of girls or they are not restricted to do job but they have to observe parda its an obligation and i guess that every proper muslim shall not have any problem with it.girls can still show their potential and can play an important role for their country while having veil or parda.

Abdul
September 28, 2013 12:58 pm

@Rabia: u want to follow rules of your work place but you dont want to follow the rules your creator " Allah" has imposed on you ,,, i guess you should think over it just for a min

Umair Ahmed
September 28, 2013 1:10 pm

(33:59) O Prophet, enjoin your wives and your daughters and the believing women, to draw a part of their outer coverings around them. It is likelier that they will be recognised and not molested. Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

This is the dress code for believing women which has been defined by Allah. Believers are allowed to exercise their freedom within prescribed limits set by Allah and his messenger.

Ali
September 28, 2013 1:28 pm

Very good action taken by NUST. Even in Islamic University, jeans should be banned and abaya dress code should be made compulsory. Wearing jeans and tights and then without dupata create temptations among the male students and even against the Islamic rules of covering for woman. Because of such things when a male is outside, he is under heavy pressure where to make the eye down or where to raise and then Many of them then choose the wrong path to satisfy themselves.

Not one this part needs Islamic implementation, even all the laws and government should abide by it. Same is the case for a thief or a terrorist. Arrest and hang. It should not be slow water drop, it should be whole bucket thrown on Pakistan.

Ali
September 28, 2013 1:30 pm

@Nowsherwan: You are right. Media just create hype out of nothing.

Ali
September 28, 2013 1:32 pm

@Ahmed:

Woman have forgotten the limits in fashion. All want to be tempting and being looked and noticed.

Rizwan Ul hassan
September 28, 2013 2:03 pm

@Mehreen: I appreciate your comment.

Bilal Abbasi
September 28, 2013 2:09 pm

I am NUSTian and I would like to tell you that before submitting our admission fee in NUST we get the joining instruction in which everything is written about dress code and those who join NUST sign that joining instructions. So we do it by our choice. Secondly Miss Rafia in your home you must follow some rules in which dress code is also included. U cant write an article that your father isnt allowing u to wear only bikni in home because it is the rule of your house. Similarly NUST is our and we will follow every rule of NUST.

Aone Raza
September 28, 2013 2:10 pm

Like many other columnist, Miss Rafia did not bother to dig into facts rather just over reacted and wrote another piece of writing that is enough to drag the readers away from actual issue. Few questions that bothers my mind and their replies that i extracted from 2 articles express tribunal blog are:- Number 1, why do we have rules in institutions? are they to suppress own free will? If i wish to smoke then why a SMOKE FREE zone forces me to go against my free will. This means the institutions / cooperation who have such restriction inside their property / premises are actually insane?
Number 2, If Harvard can have a dress code, why can’t NUST? The Harvard website explicitly states that its dress code is business casual attire during the school year for most of their departments. Bring this into context with Nust, jeans and tights do not necessarily scream formal business attire, which the students at Nust Business School (NBS) are expected to conform to. And the girls who were fined for wearing jeans / tights were actually from NBS Number 3, This one actually gives me goosebumps. when the author describes that girls may dominate in the class rooms but would always remains a subordinate. Miss author would you please go and see how many faculty members of NUST are ladies. Moreover, you stated that imposition of dress code and fines would fall heavy on female students who seek to prove their intellectual excellence, So a university which currently employs 1100 faculty and staff, 485 PhDs, has collaborations with centres of excellence in over 26 countries, houses more than ten start-ups in its incubation centre and regularly participates in the Shell Eco Marathon, Robocon, P@SHA ICT awards, Olympiads, Model United Nations while at the same time being consistently ranked among the top 400 universities in the world would fail to provide sufficient academic stimulation to the students, just because the university takes its dress code seriously? you must be joking.

Aone Raza
September 28, 2013 2:06 pm

Coming to the dress code furore, many people are unaware that the Nust dress code is, and has always been a part of the institute’s prospectus. This code is quite detailed and requires students to be decently dressed at all times with restrictions on wearing sheer clothing, clothes with provocative art or wording, and a requirement for females to wear three-piece shalwar kameez, that is, clothes with a shirt, pants/shalwar and a dupatta.

Nust Business School takes the dress code a step further, requiring students to wear formal attire – boys in formal pants and collared shirts; girls in non-denim decent, formal clothing. The word ‘decent’ is intended to imply culturally accepted norms of clothing.

Saad Ahmed Khan
September 28, 2013 2:21 pm

We live in a muslim state... That is Islamic Republic of Pakistan... It was came into being so that muslims can practice their religion independently according to the teaching of Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H). so as a muslim our benchmark must be according to the teaching of Islam. So please Boys and Girls try to adope that and if not than dont poke your nose in the mind of others who are doing so. Allah may give us direction....

Murthy
September 28, 2013 2:26 pm

Not merely in Pakistan, but in the entire sub-continent, male chauvinism has a grip over society and they will call it "culture". Society will not change or let changes take place, until people are given a good education--education that is not based on religion but science and reasoning.

Humayun Irshad
September 28, 2013 2:27 pm

So called liberals. Full of complexes, segment of the society. Such articles are always written to show our selves the modern societies. Others are the conservatives and uncivilized. Every attempt will be done to prove the jeans essential for growth and who oppose it, will be the hurdle in the women emancipation, and women right. These are the LANDA BAZAR of the English who are leaving this culture and they are adopting it. For NUST admin....I appreciate your deeds.

Sufu Hashim
September 28, 2013 2:30 pm

Modesty is the best policy

Sufu Hashim
September 28, 2013 2:29 pm

@Dr Mazhar: What about Islamic culture?,not national cultures

Asim Iqbal
September 28, 2013 2:30 pm

Gar Che hai Dil kosha buhat husn e farang ki bahar, Thair ke buland o baal jama o jaam se gozar.. Tu abhi rah gozar mein hai qaid e maqam se guzar.. (Allam Iqbal)

Sufu Hashim
September 28, 2013 2:32 pm

@Mehreen: Allah intends men and women to be modest.I see some men dressed like western women. Quite a phenomenon. .

saifi
September 28, 2013 2:40 pm

little minds ... unable to plan ahead fora brighter future for these young students. Rather they indulge in a senseless pursuit of imposing their beliefs. If men have problems in holding their eyes ,, they better correct themselves

Usman
September 28, 2013 2:47 pm

@Abbas: where have you atheists come from???

Khaled
September 28, 2013 3:18 pm

very good and thought provoking article, I hope the higher management at NUST gets the time to read it, it is food for thought .

Imran
September 28, 2013 3:24 pm

What I don't understand is that why every issue is mixed with all the problems in the world. Instead of focusing on the topic the writer, as usual trying to be female rights vocalist, mentions all of the crimes against women creating a noise just to grab attention and not to give an unbiased opinion. It's logical & scientific that men women can never be equal. Can men do all that women can do? Nope. Can women do all that men can do? Again, not at all. We are all human and equality is not in terms of a math equation but justice according to everyones role. The balance in life is when everyone plays ones role. What's this male-female competition about? Everyone should have boundaries whether a man or a woman. If women think that it's normal to wear whatever pleases them then it's like crossing a boundary as a Muslim. What kind of mindset is this believing that wearing a see-through figure-hugging dress is their every right. And moreover not even ready to at least think about their own actions instead start accusing men. If we all stop blaming each other, understand our role & boundary & live as a good Muslim, then their would never be any problem.

Maulanawhisky
September 28, 2013 4:04 pm

@Adnan Ayubb: 'Nice Column. Female must abide by the basic rules and standard code'.

You mean everyone should wear clothes they feel comfortable in, male or female?

Maulana
September 28, 2013 4:03 pm

@Mehreen: 'I agree with a previous comment that instead of wasting time on petty issues we should be discussing issues affecting lives of thousands. Besides, a modest dress code is required by a muslim woman so that she is not discussed amongst crowd based on her figure but her intellect. I wear scarf by choice and have a career in USA with a graduate degree from one of the most prestigious universities and its ironic that people here respect that but my fellow Pakistanis think I am subjugated. We need to broaden our perspectives and need to understand that women can cover themselves by choice too'.

You miss the point Mehreen. Choice is all well and fine. The question in the article is imposition, not choice, of a rigid so called Islamic dress code on females, not males

Spade
September 28, 2013 4:16 pm

Donno why atheists are controlling Pakistan. A nation of 170 million Muslims. These atheists should be clearly told to respect the religion of Pakistan or leave it. It's time for the atheists and their western sponsors to leave Pakistan and Islam alone.

Arsalan
September 28, 2013 4:26 pm

I can't understand why every one have gone mad against an issue which is like centuries old and now here we are criticizing an institute i am not from nust but during my university days we also used to have a dress code and boys were also fined if they wear jeans and same for girls, rule was same no gender distinction i think same is been followed in nust , grow up people don't be a criticizing nation , for me people who are against the dress code's should wear kacha bunyan & chappal in office.

Irfan Hameed
September 28, 2013 4:47 pm

@Abbas: This means there will be no police to curtail the crimes because, every one is free to do anything, no matter, even if the crimes. Why there are courts and why people rush to get the justice from courts while everyone is free to take whatever he do so.So by going to courts or police, you are snatching the freedoms of the culprits.

Kindly be wise.

Chaman
September 28, 2013 4:46 pm

How our daughters must dress is an issue that can best be handled by the parents. It is not the business of anybody and everybody.
In a time when male exploitation and suppression of women is a matter of concern worldwide, such enforcement of rules will at the present juncture will certainly raise eye brows from saner elements of the society. Let us take the extreme example of a section of population in Pakistan or Afganistan or some other country who believe girls should not get educated, does it mean all girls schools should be closed. Wearing jeans is not a dastardly crime. What makes it so when men can not keep their testrastone under check. As individuals, whatever our views, can not impose our opinions on others

MAH
September 28, 2013 5:11 pm

A passionate article - however just one side of the situation. Living abroad for sometime, I do not dress conservatively myself. However, with my each 6-monthly visit to Karachi, I see a cultural shock in general. I would look forward to seeing more of confident and self-assured girls but unfortunately the change in culture is just as thoughtless and uncontrolled as the traffic, the construction and everything else. I happened to be in a shoe-shop at Zamzama a while back when I overheard 2 girls, on their own, loudly trying out shoes for a school party. I was frankly shocked by their explicit gestures and language, something you don't see even in UAE. On the other hand, the helping salesman, surely from some remote place in Punjab, was watching them partly entertained and partly disgusted. As civilised people, we can always exercise freedom without disrespecting other people's values.

ahsan
September 28, 2013 5:33 pm

Its interesting that the writer does not weight any value to the culture and traditions of this society. Besides religion, our culture and traditions have to be respected if they are not bad. I fully support women education and their rights, but why should one think that the modernism only means wearing and adopting western dresses and way of life. There is no degradation of women even if they are asked to not to wear jeans and tights in university. What's wrong with it? Why should any one feel bad about it outside the university?

Waqas Taimoor
September 28, 2013 5:53 pm

These vanguards of morality have been let loose upon the vulnerable Pakistanis the day 'the prostitution of religion', in Ayub Khan's words, started in Pakistan.

Dali
September 28, 2013 6:01 pm

This Artical is missing the point that choices should also have limits. Our religion gives every one choice in worldly matters but there are limits and it applies on both men and women. Our media is spoiling our nation with western values which has already been failed with all its librations and human rights. Media should show the realities of the western societies, e.g no family values, and living with no direction. We should follow our religion correctly,it has rights for every one and equality for all with divine limits.

Abdul Malik
September 28, 2013 5:58 pm

The writer being naive, has made issue out of nothing. there was nothing new in that, there was no amendment in the rules. It was just to ensure the already practiced rules. creating sensation has became a fashion, when intellect dies, sensation gives a chance to seek attention. As killing of an innocent is a crime, same way misleading people through "Pen" (pen is mightier than sword) is a crime of grave nature.. . writer needs visit the institute, analyze the situation, then may be she realize, how damaging her words are against an Institution.

Anika
September 28, 2013 6:07 pm

Stop crying. NUST's implementation of females wearing duppata and banning tight jeans is more of a cultural thing than "a religious" or islamic thing. It does not de-value women! In fact, the strap of gorgette/chiffon worn around the neck -a.ka.a duppata- has no practical value/use in Islam or even in modesty/ or in any sense. So, kindly, learn to differentiate Religion from Culture. NUST just doesn't want girls going out of their cultural boundaries.

6726r1
September 28, 2013 6:16 pm

Lol! you are saying that they did not like girls with choices! So let me ask you, do you have a choice to Murder someone, rape someone or even less Break a traffic signal? I guess not! If you do either of the thing you will have to pay the price! So stop this nonsense! if you are in an institution you are bound by their rules! All the NUSTians had that undertaking signed by them! NUST wasnt imposed on them, the opted for NUST! Why dont you blame schools that they have uniforms, come on those kids also have hearts and feelings! -_-

6726r1
September 28, 2013 6:17 pm

@Abbas: nust kisi raah chalte ko nhn bata raha kia pehenna hai aur kia nhn! sirf un k liye rules hain jo Nust main admission lete hain! and if you are in an institution you have to respect its rules! kal ko agar ap apne office jao sirf unnderwear main? main bhi dekhta hun kitne institutes aapki choice kaa khayal rakhte hain!

erudite
September 28, 2013 6:36 pm

Women swathed and scaffolded in black and peering from slits are good and moral; women wearing jeans undoubtedly impure. Wao, this one sentence depicts the thinking of so called religious people

M. Ahmed
September 28, 2013 6:44 pm

Modesty is the answer. Do little soul searching and you will get your answer. My liberal friends do not go there ..... What's next, copying Hollywood stars walking in bikinis?

sohaib afzal
September 28, 2013 6:51 pm

good aricle....I think everybody has right to live his/her own life in a way he/she wants.But as long as you are a part of institution or organization you have to follow the rules imposed by them and there is always a reason behind it if one tries to think....

Muhammad Ali Raja
September 28, 2013 6:53 pm

"Rafia Zakaria is a columnist for DAWN. She is a writer and PhD candidate in Political Philosophy whose work and views have been featured in the New York Times, Dissent the Progressive, Guernica, and on Al Jazeera English, the BBC, and National Public Radio. She is the author of Silence in Karachi, forthcoming from Beacon Press." And even after all these accomplishments you simply did not bother to go over the facts and simply raced to conclusions. Shame on you for misleading the masses.

Tayyab Qureshi
September 28, 2013 7:11 pm

All for I know is that one can look absolutely modest in jeans or absolutely vulgar in shalwar qameez. It all depends how you present yourself.

Mariam Ilyas
September 28, 2013 7:24 pm

@Dr Mazhar: I really appreciate, what u 've said in your message.

Mariam Ilyas
September 28, 2013 7:37 pm

It's really an appreciating article. Yes every institution should teach their students about their moral values also. To overcome such kind of situations every institution should make some policies rather than just imposing the fines,yes there should be dress codes.

Anonymous
September 28, 2013 7:46 pm

Tights are not a dress for educational institutes in Pakistan because tights show your body figure and it is hard for male students to concentrate on studies. Jeans (not skin tight) however is a very modest dress as it is not see through like the shalwar and trousers.

ahmedj
September 28, 2013 7:45 pm

The Quran tells us to dress modestly. One has to understand what dress is modest in our culture. Dupatta is part of our culture and there is a purpose for it. In the Quran the only word used is Khimar, which was a typical pattern head garment from pre-Islamic era and Quran orders to cover the chest with Khimars loose end cloth as it used to fall on the backs. In those days there weren't any buttons and front was visible. Order is to cover the chest and not the head. Dupatta or any other dress which fulfils the requirement is enough. If jeans are worn with long shirts, it is fine again as long as it doesn't reveal anything. In today's time even body fitted Abayas is against the concept of modesty.

Yusra Alvi
September 28, 2013 7:49 pm

I am currently a student of NUST at the School of Art Design and Architecture. I am in my junior year (3rd) of Architecture and have been witness to all the drama my university has been facing for the past couple of weeks. Even more so than other students because I reside within the campus.

Firstly, I would like to point out how irresponsible this piece of article is because all it does is propagate rumors that were already reprimanded when they first appeared in newspapers earlier this week.

Fact 1: The rules only apply to the NUST Business School (NBS) and have existed ever since the school first started because the university believes they're honing people who will go out to be professionals in the corporate world, and thus have to dress accordingly. The ban on jeans in NBS extends to girls and boys alike.

About the rules concerning the tight clothing and dupattas, you might consider the fact here that institutes around the world have dress codes that prohibit girls from dressing in a provocative way so I don't understand why this rule being in NUST ever since its new campus started in 2008 is such a big deal.

When I joined NUST 2 and a half years ago, they gave out handbooks to every single freshmen at orientation that highlights these rules. I would paste them for you here, but I believe it's a journalist's job to do their research properly themselves.

Fact 2: I wore jeans to class the day my University was blocked due to the media vans standing outside Gate 10. I wore jeans to class every day this week actually. I did not get banned/told off/made to feel like I'd done something wrong because the ban ONLY exists in NBS. I, being an art student, have attended class in my nightsuit at times and no one cared. People in SEECS will confess to the same thing. The Rector himself cleared the fact when he addressed the students personally.

The dress code has existed as long as this campus as. If you're going to write about NUST, maybe write about things that actually matter.

Edwardian
September 28, 2013 7:55 pm

@mystic: It was always a military institution. Students were not conscripted, they enrolled on their own free will. Students are free to go to any other non military institutions.

saqib
September 28, 2013 8:03 pm

@Anika: i second you. however its true that everyone has a right to set his/her own boundaries which suits him/her, and being part of a particular society the freedom of one must not effect the cultural values of other.

Agha Ata
September 28, 2013 8:06 pm

Women should stop wearing jeans, if men also stop wreathing pants (replaced by pajamas higher than the ankles) coats, shoes and having haircut western style, and above all grow beard longer than the length of one's fist. Lets all become true Muslims. :)

Nida
September 28, 2013 8:43 pm

another article representing the thought that no one should say anything to anyone in the name of religion. Allah hum sab ko hidayat dai aur naiki ki talqeen krne ki taufiq dai,Ameen.

Nida
September 28, 2013 8:40 pm

the decision is always of the person, to choose what's right, in the way Allah has told us to do.

saim
September 28, 2013 8:59 pm

Hi all, I have been reading various articles / opinions / talks / news etc on the imposition of latest ban by NUST. For all those whose are against it (mostly are) I have one question to ask. If your daughter or sister is studying, what would u like her wear ? Decent cloths which our religion propagates or otherwise. please see it optimistically, who stops ladies wearing a decent and nice dress ! Nobody. ironically most men like girls in jeans, girls in tights, girls without dupattas but none will like his daughter / sister dressed in same in the public. so my request is we all MUST support this. Think..thanks

Shakir
September 28, 2013 9:15 pm

Why is this considered news worthy? In my university, we weren't allowed to wear shalwar kameez to lecture halls, we didn't complain, and even if some did complain, it wasn't something to be merit it being printed in the news.

Hussain
September 28, 2013 9:22 pm

Its not equivalent to Chinese torture. The article makes an incorrect analogy, hence it is rendered pointless.

anam raza
September 28, 2013 9:57 pm

to add to this the female students at nust are not allowed to play sports in the open, infront of guys! Concerts or any other form of music is banned at NUST!!!! I thought our society was moving forward not going backwards instead of focusing on some real issues our main focus is on whether a girl can go out in the open or not such shame!! NUST has dissapointed me!

ahsanfayyaz258@hotmail.com
September 28, 2013 9:58 pm

pakistan need education i help the all people .but iam very poor but i go to school and go to work

anam raza
September 28, 2013 10:04 pm

NUST has dissapointed me! Along with the ban of tights and compulsory dupatta , nust does not allow girls to play sports out in the open because larkay hotay hein woh larklion ko dekh lein tau kya hoga!! -.- other than that music and concerts are also banned! i mean wth, the world is facing so many issues of much higher importance but over here the main debate is whether girls should roam around in the open or not?! being the national university of Pakistan i did not expect this from nust. girls and boys are banned from meeting each other after 530 pm, if you are so much professional about your dress code you should know that in professional life these students will need to interact with each other and YOU ARE MAKING THEM SOCIALLY AWKWARD. there is so much gender discrimination in NUST that it is shocking i don't understand how this university got its international ranking! the curfew time for girls is 930 whereas guys have 11 and even then there is no strict imposition of this time for them. they can stay out as late as they want.

virtue
September 28, 2013 10:39 pm

what a pity...no one would like to force any thing....but just open Quran..and thats it the ill doings of few men raping in this society and you are portraying it a whole nation and comparing one ill-doing with other...which have no link at all...people tend to be influenced what they see abroad and forget your own roots of religion. Grow up !

Lalit
September 28, 2013 10:53 pm

@Sonal: what else could you expect ?

Lalit
September 28, 2013 10:56 pm

If there is a confident, educated, independent and working woman is she not respectable ?

Nauman
September 28, 2013 11:27 pm

Miss Zakria .... well i can let you know that with your journalism .... you have actually PRESUMED the fabric of this rule based on all WOMEN RIGHT issue .... you have not really went in deep about why these rules are implemented and in which campus it is implemented .... i would really appreciate if you can go a bit deeper and understand why the rules are there and it might help you understand it then .... let me introduce my self ... i am a NUSTIAN and currently working as an expat and believe me you .... i am no molvi at all ... but i guess you have uni dimension view towards issue when you put in on paper rather look at the other side of the picture ... so it would not matter ..... girls in nust have all the freedom needed as it is needed in any university in the world ... and trust me you need to understand the back ground about it ... if you are interested, do let me know so i can forward you an article from a girl student of nust defining how and why rules are there .... Pardon me for being rude as i see a degree PHD written with your name and i dont expect such a scenario from one with such qualification..... perhaps my expectation of PHD might not agree with all in knowledge bowl.,,,, have a great day

mrs asim
September 28, 2013 11:33 pm

What Pakistani society needs is a BALANCE. People are stuck in this scenario of extremism , too westernized or too conservative.

Ashar Rasul
September 28, 2013 11:55 pm

I guess it's okay nowadays to write an article without knowing the full facts behind the story, without investigating beyond what is shared in the social media.

Here are the facts:

Girls and boys wearing jeans in NUST business school were fined. It's the dress code for that school and observed only in that school. If you think dress codes are something only "crazy Islamists" impose please look into Multinational corporate ofiices and international schools like "Harvard"; forget even those please go read the dress code requirement for entering some social clubs like "Islamabad club". When you apply for NUST or any other university for that matter a complete students handbook is available for reading. When you admit yourself into NUST you give written consent that you'll follow all the guidelines set in the handbook. This dress code has always been part of that handbook; I don't get what the problem is. I guess journalism in Pakistan has been degraded so much that a good newspaper like DAWN will publish any kind of third-rate pseudo intellectuals, who have this format "write some unrelated unconnected "so called intellectual" vague para first-> write down some unverified twisted version of the story-> blame that on religion or society-> end with cheesy line" :)

Ali Akhtar Mahmood
September 29, 2013 12:15 am

Rafia Zakaria is a columnist for DAWN. She is a writer and PhD candidate in Political Philosophy whose work and views have been featured in the New York Times, Dissent the Progressive, Guernica, and on Al Jazeera English, the BBC, and National Public Radio. She is the author of Silence in Karachi, forthcoming from Beacon Press.

Oh! And Rafia Zakaria forgot to do her homework on the NUST rules before jumping to conclusion! I hope her PhD thesis has more meat to it!

Waqar
September 29, 2013 12:24 am

May Allah save us from the extremism of the Taliban as well as the extremism of the Liberals! This poorly written article is a thoughtless rant and an unprofessional effort to turn a disciplinary issue in to a gender discrimination one. Boys were also fined in NUST. Why do all Feminists jump to play victims on the faintest opportunity?

shahid wafa
September 29, 2013 12:43 am

well :) before reading this article i was of the view that empowerment came from education but learned author's pearls of wisdom got me think that it was the tights n jeans that liberated a girl in true sense ......

Khan
September 29, 2013 12:49 am

Freedom of thought and expression is essential for knowledge centers. An educational institution is supposed to be a bastion of freedom. Freedom to think and to express oneself. Otherwise you cannot create knowledge. Imposing dress code restrictions might appear to be a minor things to some, but their impact can go a long way. We're not all alike. We do not share some universally accepted definition of modesty. If we accept that, then dress-code restrictions are idiotic at best.

Unshackled
September 29, 2013 1:10 am

I think this is not about the dress code but about the mind set that NUST champions - the mindset of enforcement. There is an inherent tendency in the military circles to be strict about everything. While it works like a charm for national security and it is commendable, there is no place for strictness in today's universities. Dress codes should be requested, not enforced and fining is a bit too harsh in my opinion. Lastly, the business world is becoming a lot more casual. Facebook and Google are successful business entities without enforcing dress codes. In today's world, dress codes are no guarantee of success and NUST is proving to be hopelessly out of sync.

Simple
September 29, 2013 2:23 am

Thinking about it .....How I dress is not governed by government/Military institution or a educational body. Problem is not dress code but stepping on each others basic human right and deciding about day to day way of life. It is an extremely dangerous direction....what next college will tell me what I will eat....what color I should like....what kind of man I should marry........NO..Governing body's role is only to manage their affairs to the limit of their responsibilities.....any overstepping is a birth to a brutal end of happy healthy society......think about it.

Ali
September 29, 2013 2:54 am

I'm personally against university administration spending most of their time checking uniforms and calculating applicable fines which in itself goes on to show the kind of graduates or conformists being produced in our country, however having studied in one of the universities mentioned above, the rules do not limit to girls only (which for some reason everyone believes who read anything about the recent social media outburst on the issue). Similar penalties are imposed on boys not wearing formal pants or coming to study without ties. They may have a right to implement their laws but the law makers need to be pure educationists. Unfortunately that isn't the case. I will however vouch for the fact that they do not single out girls, as being misunderstood by many.

Ali Tariq
September 29, 2013 3:03 am

It is rather disappointing to find out that the newspaper you read regularly publishes reports based on no research whatsoever. Thumbs down to the writer as she has absolutely no idea of the ground realities. Being an alumni of NBS I must inform everyone who has read this article that it is an absolutely biased piece of writing and is poles apart from reality. It is ludicrous the way the writer has tried to portray a simple act of indiscipline as an issue of gender inequality. Even though I, myself am in support of the idea that full liberty should be awarded to an individual to dress up in the way he/she wants, but unfortunately this mudslinging on one of the most prestigious institute of Pakistan by a leading and supposedly responsible newspaper is beyond imaginations. For those who do not know, I must state that wearing a jeans by either a male or a female is against the dress code. So, boys and girls are both fined in order to maintain discipline (every institute/organization has a set of rules and regulations and its is in total control of the management). My piece of advice for Ms. Rafia is that kindly please stop picking up stories by merely sitting in front of the screen, instead try to cover all the details by actually doing proper research. The saying "Half truth is a full lie" perfectly fits into the situation!

zohanomani
September 29, 2013 3:05 am

i don't think that they have done something wrong! In fact they are are right at their positions. i belong to female sex but that doesn't mean whatever women will do i will support them!!! most of the girls cross their limits while they are deciding their attires...... by this i don't mean to say that you don't have to look smart ... Obviously you have to but the most important thing is that one has to dress according to the surroundings!!! that defines your sense of choosing attires!!! you cannot wear a top with jeans without dupatta having your hairs untie when you are waiting for a public bus!!!! if you do so then don't blame others for kidnapping... definitely you are going to be kidnapped if you are showing off your figure in such a place...!!!! and i totally disagree to the epitome of your article!!!! being a dr or engr has nothing to do with the liberty to choosing your attire!!

zohanomani
September 29, 2013 3:11 am

@khalid: lol they are actually briefing their students how to be decent !!! which is good...

zohanomani
September 29, 2013 3:11 am

@Khalid: Quran tells you the limitations of dressing... and i am sure Allah has blesses you with an ability to judge things .... if you know the limitations then you have to decide what you have to wear covering those limitations

zohanomani
September 29, 2013 3:13 am

@Hiba : women don't get things easily :P they only understand things when they are being imposed on them :P

Saif Khan
September 29, 2013 3:50 am

@Anika: pray tell what is your definition of culture & how it authorizes NUST to define it for its entire student population... who, btw, are all adults and would like to reserve the right to do it for themselves.

Saif Khan
September 29, 2013 3:53 am

@di: I'm 50 and have read the Quran a few times with tafaseer... but obviously missed the part which you are referring to. OR maybe its you who needs to read the Quran to find out that most of the times it does not give the 'best answer' where women are concerned.

Saif Khan
September 29, 2013 3:54 am

@Sundus: Did it occur to you that the scribe is actually questioning the "written dress code" AND the "fine"? OR do you believe that once written a 'rule/code/law' cannot be challenged?

Saif Khan
September 29, 2013 3:59 am

@ALi: Would you please define 'appropriate' AND a;so explain how jeans are 'not appropriate'.

Saif Khan
September 29, 2013 4:03 am

@Usmanwrites : You are so confused! Its not industrial revolution but man's overwhelming dependence and consumption of natural resources which is causing global warming.

Saif Khan
September 29, 2013 4:06 am

@Rehan: I also live in the US and have been a part of challenging and changing many rules which got time barred due to socio-cultural evolution. The scribe here is not suggesting that a rule be broken BUT a rule be changed because its not justified.

Amar
September 29, 2013 4:44 am

SubhanAllah, sisters in Europe are fighting to keep the Nikab and in Pakistan the writer seems to suggest wearing tights represents freedom for women, tights are the worst piece of clothing , even the west have commented against it especially Australian media.

To the writer, find something valuable to write about and share with the general public, what happened to good old journalism that was just and not biased . How about writing about 4 year old Chinese kids that can read the Quran with proper Arabic rules and have memorised parts of the Quran as well. Just google this and you wil come across it or email me and I shall point you.

Focus your energy on providing knowledge to the general masses as opposed to spreading biased info, Muslim women in tights do not represent freedom, rather ignorance and no self respect and low confidence. Muslims have Ben blessed with a book that contains all the answers, o ur youth today should focus on improving intellectual capabilities and ways to improve the general well being of the society, Pakistan is a failed state, no doubt about that, it's up to us Pakistanis to turn this around, the Paki youth. Apologies if I have offended yo u dear writer, just appalled to see what you choose to write when your skills can be focused on enlighting our youth towards Kowledge.

AHA
September 29, 2013 6:13 am

@di: Why 'go read the Quran'

Why not 'read the Quran'.

Why this arrogance, why this rudeness.

bilal ahmad farooqi
September 29, 2013 8:11 am

this is really a good act as tight jeans is really destroying respect, dignity and real elegance of a woman. it makes her nothing but an erotic showpiece and above all, our religion strictly forbids from wearing tight dress both men and women.

RK
September 29, 2013 8:31 am

So one question to all those who say jeans are bad: while wearing jeans which part of the body is visible?

Quran says cover your body:- jeans do cover the lower part of body from hips to ankles.

A leacher will always undress a woman by his EYE in his dirty mind. Jeans or no jeans burka or no burka

Shoopy
September 29, 2013 8:52 am

Dont you think revealing clothes is actually the etiology behind all this nonsense of rape etc.. It's true that most are small girls who are the victims but the people who are behind it actually get charged inside watching girl in revealing jeans and tyts and no dopattas.. So as they hav no power to abduct them they fulfill their inside craving by using small girls.. This is just wat i think. After all I am a common man and have no thorough study of these types of issues.

Omer
September 29, 2013 9:38 am

Thanks for your views. I wonder if you shared the grief of, and displayed the same solidarity with so many bright students who were barred/explelled or had to quit their education due to ban on hijab in some Western countries. But then, I think you condoned that, or rather thought that was necessary as hijab seriously retarded those students' true potentials. Please stop this duplicity, you would do much favour to this humanity.

Shiraz Maliki
September 29, 2013 9:47 am

@Khalid: And I just realised that you know nothing about Quran or Sunnah after posing such a silly question. I am sure you weren't circumcised if your parents were trying to look for its method in Quran.

Erum
September 29, 2013 9:59 am

@Anika: Why? Does stepping out of your cultural boundaries affect the quality of your education?

Xeeshan
September 29, 2013 9:55 am

Am not allowed to wear sleeve less in my office being a male( whereas its in vogue ) but girls do same . Am not allowed to wear shalwar kameez biz it looks casual as per our company. Mop boys in our office are fired bcz they were beard and not clean shave. Am telling u abt a multi national telecom in isb. Did u ppl dare to report it

imran
September 29, 2013 10:21 am

my dear country fellows I,m very sorry to listen and read such protest that leads our society in wrong directions .if such group who are against the dress cod ,don't they know that in A grade educational institutes of Europe have a dress cod.i.,m not talking about religion, I simply ask you all a question "are the people of subcontinent want to expose their females in public??????????????????".is the culture of east. can you??????????????????????????????????when ever we join any institute we have to give them an oath that we follow the each and every roubles of institute. Even the last medical research tell that wemen shouldn't wear tight robes. Please take things with last research and information

fatima
September 29, 2013 10:55 am

You forgot to mention that boys are not allowed to wear shalwar kameez. and you also forgot to mention that in NUST, it is compulsory for boys to wear a tie. This, is a dress code for corporate sector. Shalwar kameez or dress pants for woman. This rule is applied to Business School only. I have worn dress pants to NBS (NUST Business School) a million times, never been fined.

Do your research. and the write something thats worth reading. The rest of the engineering as well as ART and DESIGN schools in NUST have no dress code. the girls wear whatever they want in the H12 Campus. For God sake. if you have nothing to write about. dont.

Faz
September 29, 2013 11:05 am

Clearly written by a cheap caricature of a feminist; such a shambolic attempt.

unknown
September 29, 2013 11:11 am

To me passing such statements on the media is just to get the opinion of the people (who to the auther are like the whole but in reality are just less than a percent of the countries population) and these innocent people dont know that every statement they are passing is recorded for them and they will be judged on the day of judgement accordingly and Culture is not going to save any body, This is not extremisim, let me tell every body there is a dress code by institution and a dress code by religion, if a male wears a female's dress or say an army officer wears an enemy's dress what happens. so any body who agrees to be a muslim should not talk about any personal freedom , we are bound to follow what our religion says.

M Arshad
September 29, 2013 11:11 am

As an ex-student I can bear witness to the massive corruption of NUST management and their terrible attitude towards both students and teachers and that their security apparatus is only meant to terrorize students and teachers. I have seen them abusing teachers and students myself!

Zecchetti
September 29, 2013 11:13 am

To the author, and other females,

You females will never understand what kind of attraction women pose to men. You simply won't understand, so don't even try. It takes Divine guidance to teach us the right standard of morality. Most of the men DO understand as they experience it, hence you see many men in support of NUST and many women against. Open your minds and hearts.

Ahmad Junaid Anwar Samdani
September 29, 2013 11:22 am

Such an irrelevant answer. This column is only epitomizing the author's rebellious thinking which is becoming prevailed in many of pseudo modern confused ladies especially in Pakistan. This is all extreme. We should always seek balance and moderation.

Nazia
September 29, 2013 12:12 pm

@Anika: Culture is something that you inherit one can not impose it on others!

A Rehman
September 29, 2013 12:11 pm

Why dont the so called liberals understand that a woman's appearance (over revealing) can become the basis of so many social evils. I has been so in the past as well. Moreover, if women are dying to become doctors, engineers etc etc to prove nothing out of nothing, cant they wear a modest dress just for a couple of months to observe/ abide by a university's dress code. @DAWN please dont make headlines out of non issues.

saad
September 29, 2013 12:13 pm

This is ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan not PEOPLE republic of Pakistan. When something is ordered in Islam then u dnt have any right to question that command. Read Surah Noor and Surah Ahzab of Quran and it is very clear from their that hijaab is compulsory for every women. If anyone has some problem with it then he/she must leave this country because this country was made for the sake of religion i.e ISLAM.

N.A
September 29, 2013 12:20 pm

The Quran says: “O; Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go outside). That will be better, that so they may be recognized and not molested” (33:59).

The ancient Arab history reveals the fact that the immodest and immoral ladies used to expose their bodies and walk in market without veil. They were purchasable commodities. They did not wear hijab or scarf. They were improperly dressed. The corrupt people could easily decipher and unravel about their character or profession. They were prostitutes. Hence the Quran announced that pious ladies must be properly and modestly dressed so that when they go out of their houses people should recognize them as domestic chaste, pure and pious ladies and they should not be teased or chased. From these two above-mentioned Quranic verses it is clear that God ordains to cover the bodies and strictly rejects and condemns nudity and obscenity.

“Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for Greater purity for them: And God is Well-acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: and they should not display beauty and ornaments expect what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they must draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, or their women, or their slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their ornaments”.

In the matter of hijab, the conscience of an honest, sincere Believer alone can be the true judge, as has been said by the Noble Prophet: "Ask for the verdict of your conscience and discard what pricks it."

Islam cannot be properly followed without knowledge. It is a rational law and to follow it rightly one needs to exercise reason and understanding at every step.

Omer
September 29, 2013 12:23 pm

@System Engineer: Very well said. I totally agree, she deserves a major re-write for her degree. I am studying in a very prestigious institute here in the US, and jeans are NOT allowed here as well. Will this lady please write a similar article on this issue so I can wear this 'modern' dress?

christina
September 29, 2013 12:29 pm

It's amazing to see that 90% or more of the comments, about how WOMEN should dress up, are coming from MEN! No, they don't impose their will on us!!!

jamal
September 29, 2013 12:25 pm

@Anika: i think dupatta is cultural but the implication of dupatta, abaya, or any cloth used to cover female muslim head and other body parts is Islamic. Im in foreign country for past 15 yrs. And seen muslim women from Far East to Europe, from North America to South America and Africa. Every single one of them cover themselves in modesty BUT have their own cultural way/piece of cloth to do so.

A non-muslim girl is no de-valued if she wears tight jeans or tops, cuz thts their culture. Fortunately Islam is such a beautiful religion, it teaches us how to live our lives in a tight social community. So following Islamic teachings is cultural, NOT jus religious, and women wearing tight jeans are looked down bc they represent Islam, which is all abt being modest. In short, Ur right and wrong, Jeans do not de-value women but it does de-value Muslim women.

Faruque Malik
September 29, 2013 12:36 pm

The more the militant a man, the more he is afraid of woman. So, it is nothing strange in this happening. Woman is not even allowed in mosques. I wonder why is she allowed in homes !!! I wonder how has our Army allowed women to enroll in PMA ? May be it is only a show piece.

It takes real civility to respect women and it takes real understanding to accept that woman and man are of the same material. But civility and acceptance of reality is always missing from our daily narrative. Our narrative is against the laws of nature, yet we are oblivious to the fact that it shall be horrible when nature shall take its toll on our bigoted society.

Hermit
September 29, 2013 12:39 pm

Young men and women are biologically programmed to flaunt their bodies. The activity of minds and bodies of people is influenced by the surge in hormonal activity. Modesty is good, but self imposed simplicity in clothing is better than one forced from above by college administrations. Any girl or boy in simple, clean and ironed clothes will look as attractive as the one in jeans or body hugging outfit.

khanm
September 29, 2013 12:38 pm

It seems we have plenty of time on hand to discuss silly issue of women dressing… The country is burning… there are burning issues and yet our past time revolves around women… no wonder why we did not make ant head way in any other fields of development and technology… Aurtoun say farig houn to kuch aur kaam karien

Indicus
September 29, 2013 12:43 pm

@waqar: Dear Mr. Waqar, can you take pains to explain the rational of those two rules ?

Naseer Ahmed
September 29, 2013 12:40 pm

we should follow the HOLY QURANIC INJUNCTIONS for dressing. Eastern or western has nothing to do with our dresses.

N.A
September 29, 2013 12:59 pm

@christina: you are not part of this discussion, its only about muslim women

Nabiha Auliciema
September 29, 2013 1:08 pm

"the dress code spells a particular message [...] it serves to remind them, that their hard won battles mean nothing in the larger and exclusively male controlled scheme of things.''

This is silly.

Dress code has nothing to do with women achievements in education. Modesty is for my own good and I'm feeling safe from male filthy eyes. It's funny how so called feminists take it as female control. It's more like protection of women and society. Women are respected in Islam. If women are treated with no respect or discriminated then people with no Islamic knowledge are to blame. Unfortunately there are many people with no proper Islamic knowledge.

Asif Shaikh
September 29, 2013 1:27 pm

I think the author as tried to highlite this issue is a "Ban imposed by Male dominated administration". Author has described it a "Personal Choice" , yes it is a personal choice of every one to chose what he/she wants to put on but I think there IS & Should be limits defined and followd as well I would Love to see another article written by a FEMALE on this subject in favour of appropriate limits regarding dress codes to be applied in pakistani institutes both for Boys and Girls.

Khan
September 29, 2013 1:37 pm

The so called miss columnist is so sorry for the act of Brutality and Cruelty against the WOMEN !!!! Its so evident that every good and honorable thing ISLAM tries to teach is seen as an act of Conservatism. Its hopeless to mention anything here!! But just to bring in miss columnist kind knowledge that every institution, country, group, organisation or whatsoever has its set of regulations and people in it are obliged to follow it. My work place which belongs to a western country, the male are supposed to wear the so called Formal men attire (Pants, Shirt with a strap around our neck named TIE) and for the female staff they aren't allowed to wear minis at work and a decent dress code is part of the firms attire. But NO nO No ... Since this act took place in Pakistan and in a Pakistani Institute ... it only symbolize the Taliban/extremist/Fundamentalist/Islamist point of views of the retired army officers running the Institute .. WOW !!!

Haroon
September 29, 2013 1:45 pm

There is nothing wrong in wearing jeans, as long as the our (Islamic) guidence of dress code is respected, As for tights, its like painting ones legs in colors, very attractive and appealing.

Haroon
September 29, 2013 1:57 pm

@christina: It's because 90% of the Girls dress to be admired by the opposite sex, same is the tendency in boys but not as much. The issue here is not who comments, but what confirms with our values, culture and faith.

Haroon
September 29, 2013 1:57 pm

@erudite: Why be extremist, be moderate and respectable.

puneet
September 29, 2013 2:13 pm

Probablt Nust can take a leaf out of its neighbour's book. India doesn't have any such bans. Denims are a regular feature in women attire. As a result girls can focus more on meaningful stuff like grades and scores rather than tiny stuff like clothing!

ali
September 29, 2013 2:20 pm

This is what people study in the countries where there is no dress code but start writings on ethics and rights of other people. If it is will to wear anything in Islam then please ban The Holy Quran which tells us the way of life. It is not only women, Islam also address male to wear in according to sattar (the portion to be hidden). I accept there are many rights from which women are deprived but does not mean that you start wearing the dress which increases the frustration in already frustrated society, Do you know why rapes are increasing day by day...what are the factors ??? please don't remove the dress from your daughters in the name of choice of dress please.

Nabiha Auliciema
September 29, 2013 3:26 pm

"the dress code spells a particular message [...] it serves to remind them, that their hard won battles mean nothing in the larger and exclusively male controlled scheme of things."

This is silly.

Dress code has nothing to do with women achievements. Headscarf makes me feel safe from filthy male eyes. I find it funny how so called feminists call it female control. Modesty protects women and society. Islam respects women. If women are not respected and are discriminated then people with no Islamic knowledge are to be blamed. Unfortunately there are many people with no proper Islamic knowledge.

sharjeel
September 29, 2013 3:39 pm

First of all, what happened in NUST is not justifiable. Secondly, the writer has gone too far in the fight against dress code. I think the dress code is not a bad thing but portraying the dress code to be meant for girls only is totally wrong. If a university thinks the dress code will boost professional values, it should be adopted for both boys and girls at equal level

Entitled to my own opinion
September 29, 2013 3:42 pm

Happens in FAST National University Islamabad everyday!

Akram
September 29, 2013 3:53 pm

"Anonymous faculty members elaborated that the former military officials that administer the University did not like girls in jeans, girls in tights, girls without dupattas. They did not like girls with choices."

this pretty much sums it up, what are these military types involved in NUST for anyway? The army needs to stick to doing its job, there are no shortage of terrorists. They are spending their energy in the wrong area. Nor is it their job to tell civil society what it should wear.

RK
September 29, 2013 4:23 pm

So not wearing jeans will make all men treat those women with respect. That is the logic I guess. There you go....all problems of gender conflict solved.

Azmat Khan
September 29, 2013 4:45 pm

Rafia , what a great column.But I am sure it will make no effect as some people have this sacred job of purging and purification of the weaker sex.When this purging is complete every evil will be exterminated..

Hassan Talal
September 29, 2013 5:05 pm

@Breaking Bad: You missed my point. NUST has no 'Talibanisation' agenda- they have a dress code for both men and women. The fine notice board picture (which is the root cause of this controversy) related to NUST Business School and they have a corporate dress code. They disallow jeans for both men and women. Unfortunately this fiasco is the result of overreaction.

ahsan
September 29, 2013 5:42 pm

Police, the fire brigade, medics, military..all have uniforms through which they command respect. . University students used to have uniforms. It is still prescribed in prospectus of the public and private universities. What is wrong if, in public sphere a student looks like a student. When you do not have books with you and are donning a sleazy outfit, people will take you for that.The kind ( and not the quality or price) of clothes you wear tell a lot about what and who you are. The "LasVegas professionals" have a particular "uniform" so they can be approached by the "clients". If the fine is for violating the uniform code, NUST administration, in my opinion, is absolutely right. If someone has gone overboard with his notion of perceived morality, it should be checked. But again, do try wearing college uniforms. You look smart and young in school /college/ university uniform.

Gordonian, class of 65
September 29, 2013 5:46 pm

Colleges & universities are seats of learning, not a stage for fashion shows. Back in 60s we had a dress code in the college both for boys & girls. A college blazer ,gray pants for boys and white Shalwar & sky blue coloured shirt for girls. We had no problem but then we were not used to pop culture & MTV.

Waqas
September 29, 2013 5:51 pm

I did my engineering from Nanjing University of Science and Technology China from 2006-7. There was a very strict Dress Code. We use to wear even uniform inside the university. Same way I find a dress code to be followed inside USA & European universities. The dress code is as per the undertaking signed during the time of admission by the parents / students. So please dont make mess out of it. The fine is for males too if they come in shorts. Students should behave like students and can resort to MODELS / Fashion freaks when they finish university or when out of it.

SAKY
September 29, 2013 5:52 pm

@christina: ?ts not something impose by men...........you will not understand this if you are not Muslim....its our ?slamic culture to wear decent dress (male and female both)......as west has culture to show thier body exclusively,same we have culture of a decent dress code,....so follow your own culture and let us follow our own...thanks

Hussain
September 29, 2013 6:13 pm

@Spade: Muslims pose the biggest threat to Islam. I'd even go on to say that Muslims should leave Islam alone... In other words we should stop enforcing our personal beliefs and values on others... which btw is what Quran also tells us to do... "To you your religion, to me mine"

Sandeep Singh
September 29, 2013 7:04 pm

@Agha Ata: What is True Muslim. Even Talibanis claim themselves to be a True Muslim lol

amer
September 29, 2013 7:27 pm

same old story of Pakistan dress code first correct your inner heart and mind try to become good human first than say other things. for the last 1400 years same story dress--------------------------according to Islam. Islam was not able to make you good human and now come to otter look bunch of fools.

Christina
September 29, 2013 7:30 pm

@Haroon: Says who? Men? Also, would men decide and be a judge of what conforms to our values? Do women have a brain to think with, or no? Obviously with the lack of women responses here, you can see that they don't want others to decide morality for them.

Khalid
September 29, 2013 9:06 pm

@zohanomani: :) agree with all your comments.

meh
September 29, 2013 9:22 pm

Having a uniform code is good for every institution as it shows equality. Baning on tight or not wearing duptaa is good as this is what our religion told us, to be modest for both men and women. colleges and working place are not fashion shows, most of our upcoming youth is being inspired on what media shows.

I really appreciate the dress code and it should be impose in every institution including hospitals.

Khalid
September 29, 2013 9:23 pm

@Shiraz Maliki: I like your comment about my parents. Unfortunately, they have both passed away and I can not confirm to you as to what happened. What they did teach me is to respect human beings (not only Muslims) and all religions (not just Islam). You have no right to judge me as to how good a Muslim I am. Leave it to your God. He didn't appoint you his assistant to comment on your fellow Muslims. By the way, your comment lacks logic and if I may say so, is rude.

Hashim Khan
September 29, 2013 9:25 pm

Errors in your article: 1. Firstly NUST did not decide to implement a dress code last week. Just because you found out last week doesn't make it so. The dress code is there since the institution was established. 2. The dress code is to be strictly observed only in the NUST Business School, it is not a religious or ethical decision but simply to prepare the students for the corporate world. The boys of NUST Business School also have to wear formal clothing, jeans is not allowed. 3. What do u mean by superior study skills? Aren't you being sexist here? Dominating the classroom is a relative term and differs from class to class. It is not based on gender.

MA
September 29, 2013 9:58 pm

@unknown : Religion doesn't tell us to wear Shalwar Kameez. If you want to follow religion, then wear what the Saudis wear! Religion also tells the men to mind their gaze and be modest and respectful. I don't see anybody preaching that. All I see is a bunch of pseudo-mullahs who want to tell every girl/woman what to wear. Well, guess what? Mind your own business, because at the end of the day, GOD will judge you for what you did, not for what any other girl/woman was wearing.

Khalid
September 29, 2013 10:44 pm

@saad: I am really fed up of this. Stop using religion and Quran to strengthen your point. Being a Muslim doesn't mean you can't use common sense. I grew up in Pakistan and never witnessed the stuff that goes on now and hence can not relate to that. We need a Kamal Ataturk to get people out of their misery.

Khalid
September 29, 2013 10:46 pm

@A Rehman: I hope you don't have sisters or daughters. Your comment is insensitive and lacks logic.

ahmed
September 29, 2013 11:06 pm

All the facts have been twisted about NUST. The fines were only in the business school. The fine was for a BOY wearing JEANS and not a GIRL, as the business school has a dress-code of boys which requires them to wear dress pant and a formal shirt with a tie. GIRLS in school for mechanical, chemical and many other engineering schools are ALLOWED to and DO wear JEANS. The author should authenticate the facts before publishing utter rubbish.

ahmed
September 29, 2013 11:13 pm

@Unshackled: there is no such strictness or code. The facts have been twisted. Girls are allowed to and do wear jeans in NUST!

Arnold
September 29, 2013 11:32 pm

@puneet: and this is the reason that frustrated indian youths are raping women. Foreigners 9women) are scared to visit india

Komal
September 30, 2013 12:04 am

@ali: I'd suggest you to pack your daughters in walking boxes. That way no one will ever be able to look at anything but a walking box! I hope you will appreciate the idea

wizkid
September 30, 2013 12:40 am

Kudos to the author, whom i request to investigate further as such dress code polices are also being enforced at IBA Karachi. one of the premier business schools of the country.

where girls are been subjected to borderline harassment not just my the admin but also lower staff like security guards.

I encourage you to bring this issue more to the forefront.

Tarangela
September 30, 2013 2:09 am

@RK: Good point. As soon as you cover women up and steal their identity, they will be respected, there will be NO more Vani, or acid attacks or rapes or honor killings. Simpletons.

deba
September 30, 2013 2:54 am

To...all those persons who are propagating descent culture and theory of body showing and maintaining honour of NUST college students......NUST authorities failed to understand the very motive of college going in a students life..college is place of freedom and empowerment...the very motive of education is tolerating ...every girl should have freedom to dress the way she wants to..in 2013 world will laugh at NUST, if it ban jeans for girl students...what does it symbolises???NUST is insecure to jeans wearing girls...most of the usa and london university students wear jeans and their university is 100 times better than nust....

Aima
September 30, 2013 4:50 am

Dress code is followed everywhere in the world. even the workplaces have there certain dress codes. What a big deal if Pakistani university is putting some campus rules? I think media and news channels should also go for some dress codes for females. They are going out of control. And being a student, the main purpose is to learn, and to learn modesty and to learn how to stay within society without being a sex symbol is really necessary for them. In this way, they could play far more productive role in society after becoming doctors n engineers. Please think rationally before writing. Do not make everything an issue of gender discrimination and fake ego.

Tarangela
September 30, 2013 5:01 am

@Khan: Try not to hurt yourself when you think dude. The BIG PICTURE.......try to grasp it.

Tarangela
September 30, 2013 5:03 am

@Naseer Ahmed: Really? Quote them right now, right off the top of your head...I'm waiting to be thrilled.......

Tarangela
September 30, 2013 5:09 am

@khanm:Thank you khanm. Big Picture. If one can't grasp it go do your homework and then come back.

Maqsood
September 30, 2013 5:45 am

Wake up Pakistan, you have more important things to do then copy the styles of western societies. The land is being raped and soaked with blood, the poor and orphaned have no hope, no help, your doctors care more about their housing than their field of work, your mullahs preach Islam yet know nothing about it. People are dying from waiting for help from floods, quakes and military operations and all you can worry about is that you can wear jeans or tights? You want to be liberated, educated and free? change your country not you clothing style. Stop being blind followers and become leader. The only hope for Pakistan is its youth an if the youth make fashion their priority instead of their country then we will just end up with well and modern dressed slaves.

Faizi
September 30, 2013 6:07 am

@Azmat Khan: very good article....by Ms Rafia. Pakistani mindset is to control the weak, control minorities, control women, control control control.......

cristina
September 30, 2013 6:35 am

@SAKY: you do not know nothing about your culture, so stop commenting

Christina
September 30, 2013 8:33 am

@N.A. Who told you I'm not a Muslim? So, if women start commenting, you will find something to shut them up, for lack of a solid point?? WOW!

nazir_aasi@yahoo.com
September 30, 2013 8:39 am

Intellect, prosperity and progress are not dress dependent but why our women want to become westernized and think that dupatta, kameez and shalwar hinder their way to modernize.

john
September 30, 2013 10:48 am

I teach in a college in UK. In my opinion one dresses up to the event. We don’t find people wearing suit at discos or dance parties. Similarly when people go for worship in a mosque or a church, the aim is to wear a clean dress. In Islam , people differ on the dress code for women in Public, there is one school of thought who believe in hiding your face while the other on covering your chest only. So let’s not bring religion in deciding the dress code .Every Islamic country has tailored religion to suit its culture. You can’t impose a dress code in universities; the girls at this academic level should be intelligent enough to know what to wear in class rooms. In every educational institution, you always find some male and female students, whose priorities are more on being noticed for their dress rather than their educational achievements. If some male and female students, follow this philosophy at NUST, no surprises.

slave
September 30, 2013 11:36 am

reapply the same logic(given in this article and similar ones) on traffic control, imposing fines on overspeeding, driving without seatbelts, illegal parking, vehicle registration and check posts, etc. and you'll understand why these people who're whinning against NUST's rules are complete idiots.

Zahid
September 30, 2013 11:55 am

Pathatic article,,, Miss Writer if that is the truth really; then you will not be writing in a way you wrote that article nor you would be allowed to do that.

just sayin
September 30, 2013 12:14 pm

girls who seek to prove their intellectual excellence can do so by wearing clothes too you know.

just sayin

Annoyed
September 30, 2013 12:49 pm

@ali: Rape has nothing to do with what I wear. Rape has everything to do with rapists. Instead of telling me what not to wear society would be better placed to just stop raping.

Ellie
September 30, 2013 1:13 pm

I find the opening and subquently the link of the article a bit creepy. A comparison with torture and what one wears is rather strange and rather extreme and exaggerated. What the author seems not to take into account is that, when one joins an institute or some profession, one is supposed to then follow a given culture and norms of that institute/ion. ie Nurses in hospitals, Airline staff etc. Most importantly the author seems not to have taken into consideration that the given institute has not stopped the girls from wearing whatever they want out of the institution ie Their homes, Jinnah Super etc. Furthermore, most people join any given institute out of free choice and they are just as free to not join if they can not agree too and apply any given rules and standards of the institute. .

Syed Raza Hasan
September 30, 2013 1:19 pm

Why do we object to dress code. Are we insane. Please read Quran, if you are a muslim, and take the guidence from there. When Allah directs you for the same, why you object to the dress code. What Allah tells us is for our good. You want to object to what Allah has asked you to do. As a man I tell you that a woman looks much more beautiful, elegent, respectful in proper attire than the one in which she exposes herself. The same goes for the men. Please do not try to copy west blindly. Copy what can be accomodated without violating your religion. Thanks

Ayaz Khan
September 30, 2013 1:39 pm

@Waqas: Simply put by you. Thanks.

A Rehman
September 30, 2013 2:01 pm

@Akram: Take a timeout and go through the history of NUST. Moreover, retired military men dont have to fight the militants as a profession. So to put the record straight, NUST is a govt run organization which is rated amongst few top universities of Pakistan. Be thankful to the forces for their contribution in giving you quality education.

burhan
September 30, 2013 2:10 pm

actually colonialism has captivated our thought and reasoning process as well.A century long foriegn rule in subcontinent and promoting and depending on thier educational ,socio-political system has pushed us in inferiority complex.We depend on our rich eastern traditions like japan .Read the speach of Lord Macaulay's adress to the British parliament on 2nd feburary 1835 about indo-pak subcontinent's cultural and traditional strength to be reackoned with.Everytime and on every occasion we are forced to buy these alien systems but our salvation as a nation is in our indeginious culture.Globalistaion hype is no more than western dominance over contemporary socio-political system across the world.We don't nedd to be impressed from magna carta or declaration of rights like statements or marx manifesto or aristotle's ideas and socarates ideas about liberty, freedom and state ,as we have been accorded these rights through divine injunctions.Our every step in our daily lives begining from household activities to governmental activities should be in that sphere which have resellience to our traditions and culture which are deeply rooted in islamic teachings.But it doesn't means that tolerance should be let from our minds.First,we should work and create ground for that socio-political system acceptable to our traditions and let the people free to either adopt or reject it.But if the status quo remains ,we will sink in the marsh as the current socio-political system has failed to live upto a major chunk of pakistani populace.

M.UMER Q
September 30, 2013 5:59 pm

Like seriously??? I have no idea who this Rafia Zakaria is but this is insane!!! What are you trying to portray ??? There is a thing called social norms. This is "Islamic Republic" ... Ya everyone has the right to dress up the way they want to but don't let go of the norms that differentiate us from the west. Today its gonna be jeans the next day its gonna be skirts and this is gonna go on and on... So at one point you have to stop this "Modern enlightenment" that our beloved Musharraf gifted us. And ya if you want this profanity then why not go for removing this so called " ISLAMIC Republic " .. Go for just Pakistan and I won't have any issue with jeans but for God sake don't use this name if you are not gonna live by the code of this religion

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