India returns mangoes sent across LoC

Published Sep 17, 2013 05:46am
The decision caused anger not only here but also among traders on the India-held side. They went on a strike on Sept 3, saying the standard operating procedure (SOP) had no mention of the origin of a product.  — File Photo
The decision caused anger not only here but also among traders on the India-held side. They went on a strike on Sept 3, saying the standard operating procedure (SOP) had no mention of the origin of a product. — File Photo
Talking to Dawn, Tata Director General retired Brig Mohammad Ismail said he was disappointed by the attitude of the Indian government as it was returning even those goods which both sides had included in the list of 21 tradable items.
Talking to Dawn, Tata Director General retired Brig Mohammad Ismail said he was disappointed by the attitude of the Indian government as it was returning even those goods which both sides had included in the list of 21 tradable items.

MUZAFFARABAD: The intra-Kashmir trade through the two crossing points on the Line of Control (LoC) may meet a tragic fate as Indian officials have refused to accept items which they allege are not from Azad Jammu and Kashmir.

On Aug 29, Indian authorities at their trade facilitation centre in Salamabad, on the other side of Chakothi, returned two trucks from AJK carrying mangoes, saying that the produce belonged to Pakistan, and not Azad Kashmir.

The decision caused anger not only here but also among traders on the India-held side. They went on a strike on Sept 3, saying the standard operating procedure (SOP) had no mention of the origin of a product.

The same day, Indian officials conveyed to their counterparts in AJK that trade could not be carried on for some time because the traders on their side had gone on a strike.

On Wednesday, the AJK Trade and Travel Authority (Tata), which deals with intra-Kashmir trade and travel, sent a written request to officials on the other side for a meeting at the Kaman Bridge on Monday to sort out the issue.

On Monday, Tata Director General retired Brig Mohammad Ismail himself went to the crossing point at 10.30am, but no one turned up from the other side.

In the afternoon, Ehsanul Haq, custodian of intra-Kashmir trade at the Salamabad centre, met Azad Kashmir’s Trade Facilitation Officer Basharat Iqbal and handed him a copy of a ‘notification’ from India’s Central Board of Excise and Customs, stating that the goods which had their origin in Pakistan, and not in AJK, could not be allowed to be traded across the LoC.

Talking to Dawn, Brig Ismail said he was disappointed by the attitude of the Indian government as it was returning even those goods which both sides had included in the list of 21 tradable items.

He said everybody knew that the two parts of Kashmir were not producing most of those items in bulk and they were coming from India and Pakistan.

“But while imposing restrictions on us, they want us to accept whatever they send from there,” he said.

The DG said that since the trade was on a barter basis, it could hardly be carried forward with such an attitude by the Indian authorities.

“Returning trucks laden with fresh fruit and vegetables simply means inflicting huge losses on traders from this side,” he said, adding that the AJK authorities had never returned a single truck from the other side.

He said the events unfolding over the past few weeks suggested that the Indian government was looking for excuses to shut down this activity.

“We want this trade to continue, but on the basis of equality and mutual understanding.”

The trade across the Line of Control is conducted four days a week — from Tuesday to Friday.


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Rakesh
Sep 17, 2013 06:01am

If you want to continue the trade then follow/apply the rule while sending/accepting the goods. Don't try to cheat!

Hasan,SZ
Sep 17, 2013 06:15am

Very well done India, we shameless Pakistanis happily buy Indian pineapples & coconuts "grown in the Kashmir valley" comming in through the Kashmir trade in the shops in Islamabad. Is'nt it high time that our Government also stops trade of Indian non-valley produce ?

a
Sep 17, 2013 07:03am

Such an action requires a tit-for-tat response. I know its easy for me to say, but respect should be foremost than anything else.

Salman khan
Sep 17, 2013 08:42am

Pakistanis are wasting their time with indians.

dr vimal raina
Sep 17, 2013 10:05am

Never trust mangoes from Pakistan. They can always blow up aka Zia ul haq, more so when they cross LOC.

Gautham
Sep 17, 2013 11:53am

The mangoes look gorgeous. I wish I were there at the border when they were returned. I being a glutton of mangoes, would have stolen them from both Indian and Pakistani traders and Govts and taken them to my home!

Rana
Sep 17, 2013 12:15pm

I guess the Indians just don't want peace then if they still harbour such mistrust about Pakistan.

Cool
Sep 17, 2013 12:30pm

@dr vimal raina: Never trust anything from India specially their doctors (PhD or medical) like dr vimal raina because such is their I.Q.

imran
Sep 17, 2013 12:34pm

we are not going to play mango mango.

Striver
Sep 17, 2013 01:46pm

......and you expected anything different from the Indian government?! We really haven't learnt from history.

A Pakistani
Sep 17, 2013 03:03pm

This is the true face of Government of India, NOT PEOPLE OF INDIA. Government of Pakistan should adopt a graceful approach for dealing with the Governments of India.

indian
Sep 17, 2013 04:12pm

@Gautham: good one!.wish every one had the same thought as yours. But i guess its liberty of expression of thoughts in pakistan also. And what to talk of mangoes ? compare the conditions of hindus in pakistan to that of muslims in india, enlightenment would be yours. Its better if we talk peace than fighting on irrelevant matters.And azad kashmir is supposed to be independent so why would pakistan try controlling it?

Kunal
Sep 17, 2013 04:17pm

@Striver: what is there to learned from history?have we returned your bananas in past?

CC
Sep 17, 2013 04:26pm

When there is no goodwill from both sides, trading between the two nations should stop. Stop the hypocrisy.

Asad
Sep 17, 2013 04:31pm

And they tell us it's Pakistan that doesn't want peace!

"Baghal me churi mun mei ram ram"

NASAH (USA)
Sep 17, 2013 04:59pm

Send those mangoes to USA -- we will buy them. Petty Indians.

Rao
Sep 17, 2013 05:33pm

This problem of misreading trading terms would have disappeared , had Pakistan granted Most Favoured Nation status to India long time ago when India gave such a status to Pakistan.,

Why is it Not Pakistani problem?

Brijesh
Sep 17, 2013 06:00pm

Yeh dil "mango" no more!

sambit
Sep 17, 2013 05:59pm

We don't need Pakistani Mangoes.We Indian have mango substitutes!!!slice

Sonal
Sep 17, 2013 06:02pm

This is so silly - I cannot believe that it's in the 'Highlights' section of the Dawn. And I cannot believe India is being so silly about where these mangoes were grown. That too for two truckloads, which will not make any sizable difference to the lives of Indians or Pakistanis or Kashmiris. If India could channel this energy into all the gold being smuggled into the country, it would at least pay off.

Indicus
Sep 17, 2013 06:13pm

Can we just stick to the rules already agreed by both parties ? That would be most confidence building and trade enhancing measure. Once both parties build sufficient confidence, then items for which both parties agree can be introduced in to the list.

priyanka
Sep 17, 2013 06:22pm

this shoultd not be happened....... we have to trade more for gud relations

Deep
Sep 17, 2013 07:09pm

Send onions mangoes are abundantly available in India, their is shortage of Onions.......

biju
Sep 17, 2013 07:11pm

@Rana: We need those Mangos. Looks deli..

siddharth
Sep 17, 2013 07:52pm

Kashmir crossing is to increase trade between two parts of Kashmir. So that they can trade with each other even when they are parts of different countries. That is why Wagah is the place from where India and Pak can do business. Indian side is right on this. I am sure origin of item should be mentioned, however Pak officials may be interested in concealing this information, just to prove Kashmiris, how bad Indians are.

Naveen
Sep 17, 2013 08:05pm

Very Strange decision. It is not applicable in rest of the country. Just today, I had a mango juice in Delhi made from Pakistani mangoes.

HM
Sep 17, 2013 08:11pm

Send mangoes to Canada. You will get triple the price. Indians don't deserve this quality mangoes.

Anand
Sep 17, 2013 08:17pm

@Cool: I think the good Dr. was just sarcastic. Little humour doesn't hurt anyone. Please.

AHA
Sep 17, 2013 09:10pm

Pakistani mangoes are one of the best gifts that nature has offered to the people of this planet. I feel sorry for the Indians. They simply do not know what they have missed.

SMC
Sep 17, 2013 09:54pm

Pakistan must win India's trust, which it has lost. Pakistan wants trade with India on one hand exporting mangoes, while it back stabs India by exporting terrorists. Pakistan has no clear vision, which is not only causing problem to neighbors, but also itself. A good relation with India is a must if Pakistan wants to prosper.

Saad(DXB)
Sep 17, 2013 10:04pm

@Rana: You think? Quaid-e-Azam realized that a 100 year ago in 1913 when he joined All India Muslim League.

Saad(DXB)
Sep 17, 2013 10:01pm

You can return Pakistani Mangoes, but there is no way we are returning Sania Mirza to India

Abbas
Sep 17, 2013 10:30pm

World is trading super computers, electric cars, advance technologies in science and research and we can't trade masoom mangoes :) How about we shoot mangoes in place of bullets at each other? Whoever catches gets to eat them. Yummy

Shyam Kokku
Sep 17, 2013 10:31pm

I only hope the governments / traders on both sides make sure of proper documentation before shipping agricultural produce... finally it is the poor farmer who suffers a loss and it is not fair at all!

Tamilslvan
Sep 17, 2013 11:45pm

@AHA: Wish you can taste some of the mangoes from Andhra and not the ones from North India alone. Wish we had peace so we can send you a box of it. Obviously there are more verities of mangoes in India than Pak. Odds this side of the border has better tasting ones too

zia khan
Sep 18, 2013 12:30am

Indians don't deserve this fruit from paradise. We should be sending them sungharas which match their complexion.

Aam Aadmi
Sep 18, 2013 01:37am

@AHA: hahahah what nonsense ? i have never seen pakistani better than indian mangoes ...in fact they taste less sweeter than indian mangoes .. besides world over - in US n UK n europe n middleast its the indian mangoes that are preferred although its more costlier than pakistani mangoes !

Peace seeker
Sep 18, 2013 02:10am

This lack of trust is causing the opportunity loss of billions of usd. Why can't we be just humans then indians or pakistanies.

Shahzad Akhund
Sep 18, 2013 03:35am

Reminds me of a senior clerk in the office of AGPR, asking a retired teacher, sitting right in front of him, to produce 'the required medical certificate', to prove that he was alive during a certain period in the past. The feeble old retired teacher had to travel from a small village to Karachi to collect his unpaid pension. God bless the 'lakeer key faqeer'.

Aakashvaani
Sep 18, 2013 04:12am

I wish to know Zaid Hamid's view on mangoes!

IKE Khan
Sep 18, 2013 05:18am

I don't understand as to what is the fuss? They do not want Mangoes, then do not send. We do not want their stuff then do not receive. Any trader who wants to trade with India or Indian trader with Pakistan must know the risk. The Governments have their own agenda which maybe different than the traders and even the people.

Ashish Jain
Sep 18, 2013 07:17am

@Abbas: Awesome comment Abbas.. you should write more.

Ali
Sep 18, 2013 07:17am

Good for Pak consumers. Enjoy my friends, I wish I could my hands on a few of them. Way to go Indian officials. Maybe there was no check under the table this time.

Yusuf Raza
Sep 18, 2013 08:33am

Well more for Pakistan!!

Mango diplomacy anyone?

pradeep
Sep 18, 2013 09:29am

@A Pakistani: My friend, I think you forget about what happened to Gen. Zia. He was traveling in C-130 Hercules transport plane. The plane exploded because the villain was mango crates in the plane. refresh your memory

Sriram
Sep 18, 2013 09:46am

I don't understand this: there is a policy of allowing trade in only Kashmir-made goods via that border post. So violating it openly is acceptable? I think we shouldn't rush to judge the Indian government on this.

Iqbal
Sep 18, 2013 10:26am

@AHA: Why should Indians be eager to taste Pakistani mangoes?

Satyameva Jayate
Sep 18, 2013 10:39am

Before laughing at or being angered with India, ask why does not Pakistan allow cross-trade of ALL ITEMS through WAGAH Border?

Striver
Sep 18, 2013 11:50am

@Gautham: Share with thy neighbour Gautham. I would have happily accepted your invitation to join you in gobbling the mangoes. They are a God's gift to mankind.

indian
Sep 18, 2013 12:02pm

hi bros very sad news it is...i am an indian and i feel very sorry to my pakistani friends you should understand the nature of congress party they are opportunist we are waiting our new prime minister Mr. Narendra Modi he is best businessman and i'm sure he will do his best to promote peace and business across the country personal problems should be apart from the business

sarika
Sep 18, 2013 12:23pm

refused mangoes oho!!!

sarika
Sep 18, 2013 12:28pm

@Abbas: hillarious, thumbs up bro.

khanm
Sep 18, 2013 01:14pm

You have to be very rich or very poor to live without a trade. We have to trade not only the Goods. Also our cultural heritage... so have so much in common but not the common sense

r.s.soni
Sep 18, 2013 02:48pm

sir, very strange.attitude.two truck loads could have been accepted,it would reduce tension between two brotherly countries. any way manmohan singh andnawaz sharif would be meeting soon. they should discuss this point also.

Sonal
Sep 18, 2013 03:08pm

This is so silly - I cannot believe that it's in the 'Highlights' section of the Dawn. And I cannot believe India is being so silly about where these mangoes were grown. That too for two truckloads, which will not make any sizable difference to the lives of Indians or Pakistanis or Kashmiris. If India could channel this energy into all the gold being smuggled into the country, it would at least pay off.

Imran
Sep 18, 2013 03:15pm

indians are not reliable, keep in mind they can;t be friend of muslims

Sonal
Sep 18, 2013 03:59pm

@Asad:

What has adhering to trade agreements got to do with wanting or not wanting peace?

"Bagal mein Pakistani aam, muh mein AJK aam" :)

Tariq, Lahore
Sep 18, 2013 04:21pm

Indians have refused Pakistani mangoes simply because Pakistani mangoes will put Indian mangoes in poor light. Pakistani mangoes are simply far superior just like our Pakistani Bastmati rice. Simply no contest!

Rao
Sep 18, 2013 04:56pm

@AHA: But Pakistani mangoes are expensive and there is a danger of bringing pests unless they are radiated.

P.Mishra
Sep 18, 2013 05:00pm

@Abbas: Good idea.

novice
Sep 18, 2013 05:03pm

Why barter system in LOC? Why can't it be normal trade. It was Pakistan insisting on only local trade and violating it.

Mr.bean
Sep 18, 2013 05:36pm

@indian: well if u have ever read politics Subject then u should know tht after gaining some power or "chair" we have to leave our own idea behind and have to cary stuff from where the previous one have left.... As u can see the example of Obama he is doing the same thing wot bush have done... So I just want to say that U should not expect any betterment in pak-india relation because the agencies will not let the leaders to do that or leaders in their heart would not want to do to make border peace....

Dr. Asad Sadick
Sep 18, 2013 05:45pm

India is paranoid when it comes to Pakistan or pakistani products. Time they changed their mind-set.

deepak khanna
Sep 18, 2013 06:26pm

send me mangoes to chicago i will love it

deepak khanna
Sep 18, 2013 06:30pm

bring those mangoes to chicago we are fed up with eating maxican mangoes.

Anu
Sep 18, 2013 06:52pm

@Asad: So you are saying that returning mangoes tantamounts to rejecting peace.( Not that I agree with that action). When Indian Govt says that Pakistani Govt does not want peace, they are not thinking about Mango exports ; They are thinking about Terrorist exports.

joe
Sep 18, 2013 08:05pm

@indian: I am with you Sir, i am USA citizen born in Pak though but i feel like my heritage and roots are in India Hyderabad Deccan. Any way you are absolutely right. by the way i like mangoes they can send to me :-)

Aroon
Sep 18, 2013 08:52pm

Boss, you got to send it to the right address. Our postmen are very particular about the address ;-)

Aroon
Sep 18, 2013 08:50pm

This is what happens if you send it to people who don't like Mangoes. I would loved to have that truck load of Mangoes ;-)

Aroon
Sep 18, 2013 08:54pm

What we wanted was Onion not Mango ;-) We wouldn't have returned Onions :-)

Raj
Sep 18, 2013 10:50pm

@Salman khan: If you were right then Pakistan Govt would never try the engagement.

Raj
Sep 18, 2013 10:52pm

@Saad(DXB): Ha ha, and we Adnan.

Raj
Sep 18, 2013 10:57pm

@Tamilslvan: India is a bigger country, so more vareity.

Raj
Sep 18, 2013 10:54pm

@Abbas: Thats funny too, but yes fruits shouldn't get wasted by red tape rules.

Shah
Sep 18, 2013 11:07pm

@indian: The issue is about mangoes . Stick to the point.

zia khan
Sep 19, 2013 12:47am

Indians would have gladly accepted these mangoes if the exporters had declared them as onions.

zia khan
Sep 19, 2013 12:57am

@indian: Narendra Modi isw an extremist. He should be tried in the international court of justice for crimes against humanity. He has blood on his hands from the carnage in Gujarat and will take India backwards. On the other hand, what choices India has when congress has given free hand to mafia for corruption?

Farooq
Sep 19, 2013 02:27am

@Striver: Modi isn't any angel. Whole worlds knows about him.

BRR
Sep 19, 2013 03:30am

Imagine this - you walk into a Walmart or Kohls - you find one rack full of T-shorts made in India, another full of T-shirts made in Pakistan and a third rack full of T-shorts made in Bangladesh. Now, which one would you buy, if it were possible? How many Indians or Indian Americans would buy a Pakistan made T-shirt if it were nothing special? Or how many Pakistanis or Pakistani Americans would buy an Indian made garment, if it were just about the same in quality and nothing special? Now why is that?

Thisis Irony
Sep 19, 2013 06:13am

@Imran : What about Indian muslims..

Vikram
Sep 19, 2013 10:26am

@Tariq, Lahore: Exactly. Like Pakistan's educational system, economy, industry, army, religion, future growth is superior to India's. Oh, also the Burqas and terrorism training which is superior to the rest of the world.

Vikram
Sep 19, 2013 10:27am

@Imran : Forget India, nobody can and is not.

Vikram
Sep 19, 2013 10:46am

@Asad: The "Ram, Ram" is a prayer begging god to protect us and the churi is a sad substitute for a weapon.

A K Tiwari
Sep 19, 2013 11:07am

Mango season is long over in India. Now we need only Onions from Pakistan.

Devil
Sep 19, 2013 01:52pm

@khanm: so true !!!! fully agree !!

Devil
Sep 19, 2013 01:50pm

@Saad(DXB): Please don't ! and please take Veena Malik back as well !! :-)

Hannan
Sep 19, 2013 02:31pm

60 comments regarding mangoes.... nuthin better to do

R Sharma
Sep 19, 2013 03:01pm

No wonder they didnt have Maaza at the restaurant last week...

Ali
Sep 19, 2013 08:44pm

@deepak khanna: Pakistan sent an aircraft full of mangoes to Chicago last year....the US authorties said they had to be irridiated in USA even if they had gone through the same procedure in Pakistan. That bought the price of those mangoes to very high levels not possible to sell. They were undoubtedly the best mangoes I had ever had in my life. I can guarantee you that Pakistan produces the best mangoes in the world....only problem is USA and other countries want to supply to the third world all that they can through NAFTA and WTO etc but dont want to accept anything in return even if it mean having their citizens go without the best produce in the world !

K Sridhar
Sep 19, 2013 10:09pm

@zia khan: Congress give free hands to maulavi's, in turn they forced kids to go only madrasa's, i have seen this personally, Only muslim women in india don't have law on their side compared to omen, Just because of congress

Zobia Khan
Sep 19, 2013 11:03pm

Unbelievable! Here we have to endure mangoes from mexico, and there they are returning mangoes from Pakistan??? are they nuts! I would pay top dollar for a Sindhri or a Langra or a Rathol.

BTW what happened to the mangoes that were sent back? Ebay anyone?

Sri1
Sep 19, 2013 11:15pm

@zia khan: Hmmm. What about the CM and PM during Gojra riots or any of the endless carnage all over. What about the officially sanctioned, constitutional boycott and silence on some communities like Ismailis and Ahmadiyyas. Did any CMs or PMs take responsibility for that. Modi has been exonerated by endless supreme court SITs. He has proven to be the architect of corruption-free engines of growth and development in his state and with inclusive development of all communities. Here is a leader in the mould of Sardar Patel - enough said!

muhibbewatan
Sep 20, 2013 12:15am

@A K Tiwari: That's exactly why India should be importing more mangoes from Pakistan. However, there is no need to be either sarcastic or selfish here. Terms should be: EQUALITY, JUSTICE & FAIRPLAY!

Tariq, Lahore
Sep 20, 2013 12:28am

@Vikram: Place the Pakistani mango where your mouth is, then you will appreciate the difference. Oh, the topic is mangoes not the infrastructure of Pakistan I am well versed with that.

Lakhkar Khan
Sep 20, 2013 12:48am

What a waste of good mangoes. Anyone rejects something like this should be charged with a capital offense.

gautam
Sep 20, 2013 03:01am

Very poor and deliberately inflammatory reporting unworthy of DAWN. Refer to "Economic Times", India, which reports Pakistani mangoes on sale in Delhi, and quotes their price vis-a-vis Indian varieties. Therefore, Pakistani mangoes do enter India, perhaps via the International Border. The nuance missed by many is the word "Line of Control"; separate rules might apply there which is not mentioned, and a gratuitous India-bashing provoked that is hardly useful. Dawn can encourage such vicious partisan journalism to disgrace its high standards, but whether it will serve Pakistan well in the long-run is up to you to decide.