Smokers’ Corner: Not quite sane

Published Jul 21, 2013 08:56am

One of the most notorious and infamous criminals in recent US history is a man called Charles Manson. Manson was a failed musician who in the late 1960s somehow managed to form a small cult around him of confused young middle-class drifters (mostly women) in San Francisco.

Taking bits from the Bible and pseudo-religions like Scientology and inspiration from the rising socio-political tensions in the US at the time, Manson concocted a theory suggesting that the song, Helter Skelter, by the famous British pop/psychedelic band, the Beatles, predicted a coming racial war between the blacks and Caucasian Americans.

Manson’s ramblings in this respect were largely the result of the high dosages of the powerful hallucinogenic drug LSD, that his small group and he were constantly taking. He told his followers that they would have to ‘create Helter Skelter’ by committing murder and (thus) trigger the predicted racial war.

In August 1969 the cult went on a killing spree, stabbing and shooting to death nine people, including actress Sharon Tate who was pregnant at the time. She was stabbed 16 times.

The gruesome murders shocked the country. Manson and his circle of followers were finally apprehended by the police in December 1969. But what disturbed Middle America even more was the sight of some young men and women who turned up outside the court building where Manson’s trial was being held and began to demonstrate and demand his release.

In March 1971, the court handed Manson and three other members of the group death sentences for their direct involvement in the murders. In 1972 another member of the group was also given the death sentence. But the sentences were automatically reduced to life imprisonment when California abolished death penalty in the state.

Various noted American sociologists and psychologists have tried to investigate what made a group of young middle-class Americans follow Manson into slaughtering nine innocent people for the sake of an irrational and delusional cause.

More curious are certain studies probing the mindset of those men and women who actually exhibited sympathy and support for Manson and his group of killers — even after the gruesome and graphic details of the murders became common knowledge.

One popular theory emerging from these psychological probes suggests that most probably Manson fans and apologists saw the murders as reflections (and release) of their own repressed social and sexual frustrations and anger in the event of their inability to discharge these frustrations by committing murder and acts of violence themselves.

In other words, if the murderers were criminally insane, then those rationalising or glorifying their crime were not quite sane as well.

Thus, in Pakistan’s context, I wonder if the same can be said about those who were captured by TV cameras showering rose petals on Mumtaz Qadri — the man who gunned down former Governor of Punjab, Salman Taseer, because he thought Taseer had committed blasphemy.

And what about young, educated, middle-class men and women who went off the tangent abusing and battering (on social media) a young 16-year-old girl from Swat who last year was shot in the forehead by religious extremists?

Malala Yousufzai narrowly survived the attack and had to be treated by military doctors in Pakistan and surgeons in the UAE and the UK before recovering.

She then went on to deliver a remarkable speech at the UN, pleading universal peace and women’s education, sounding decades more mature, coherent and inspirational than her detractors.

On the evening of her speech, I undertook a quick study of Twitter and Facebook, chasing the profiles of that section of Pakistanis who erupted after Malala completed her address at the UN.

Though many Pakistanis exhibited profound praise and applause for the brave girl, I did come across numerous Tweets and Facebook ramblings of many perfectly ‘normal’ looking men and women who accused her of being a US/Western agent, a hoax, a fraud, etc.

The detractors all seemed to be educated young urbanites with an interest in pop music, Bollywood/Hollywood films and other fun stuff. At the same time, most of them seemed to also be Imran Khan fans.

A PTI Karachi member confessed to me that Khan, who had not Tweeted anything about the speech on the day that it took place, finally tweeted about it (in praise of Malala) after it became apparent that most of the people badmouthing Malala on Twitter and Facebook had Khan’s picture as their DP (display picture), or claimed to be from the ‘PTI family’.

Nevertheless, not all were PTI or Khan fans. I know some very decent, intelligent and empathetic ones as well. But the question remains: How can anyone with a young sister, daughter or even a fellow female classmate, ever get him or herself to abuse an innocent young teenaged schoolgirl who was shot by a man full of unadulterated hatered and who thought everyone but him was an infidel and worthy of death?

Going back to the theory that attempted to psycho-profile Manson’s fans, can it be said that if those in Pakistan who slaughter men, women and children in the name of faith are criminally insane, then are those who do not pull the trigger or explode themselves in a mosque, shrine or market, but are ever ready to defend, rationalise or even glorify acts of sheer brutality, are not quite sane either?

I’m not a psychologist, and maybe in anger I’d like to label them as being equally insane. But as a citizen of Pakistan, even in my most calm moments, I can’t help but to lament that if these people are not as insane, then mentally they are certainly not all there and can be in need of some urgent psychiatric help.

Heck, the way things are in this country,perhaps we all are.


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MAK
Jul 21, 2013 09:17am

"One popular theory emerging from these psychological probes suggests that most probably Manson fans and apologists saw the murders as reflections (and release) of their own repressed social and sexual frustrations and anger in the event of their inability to discharge these frustrations by committing murder and acts of violence themselves." There's a new movie out called "The Purge". Set in the year 2022, it's about the same outburst of frustration, once a year sanctioned by the U.S Govt. A must watch :)

pathanoo
Jul 21, 2013 09:39am

The insanity is religion induced. That is the 800 pound gorilla no one wants to talk about. Every body wants to fiddle around the edges and think that if they only finessed this or that issue the problems will go away.

sms
Jul 21, 2013 09:45am

Minor editorial, Charles Manson was outside LA not SF.

Main theme; Malala is a rare gem. Not many are born with her faculty. Someone already did enough damage to gul-makai .. I hope she lives!

Sri1
Jul 21, 2013 09:57am

Wow, what an apt analogy. It is a pity that there is so much confusion between the obvious reality and the concocted one that has become the truth for a lot of youth. But then, as the aalu-ande brigade showed, not all is topsy-turvy in this

saima yusuf
Jul 21, 2013 10:24am

the entire nation ( doubt if it is one) needs treatment.
Pakistani psychologists seem silent on this state of mental affairs.

saima yusuf
Jul 21, 2013 10:23am

the entire nation ( doubt if it is one) needs treatment.
Pakistani psychologists seem silent on this state of mental affairs.

MIB
Jul 21, 2013 10:35am

I share the feeling NFP has (disgust and hopelessness) about the people who view Malala as a negative and Salman Taseer's killer as a hero. The conspiratorial and ignorant comments I read about her had some common aspects in that they all seem to be written by people who may have been Madrasah educated, if at all. Their jibrish consists of the following mantra, " Raymond Davis, CIA agent, Drone attacks, Kashmir, India, RAW, Israel, Hidden hand, Aafia Siddiqui, Drone attacks and finally drone attacks.

janab e aalii
Jul 21, 2013 11:11am

y u so biased toward khan! At least he tweeted in favor of malala.. he went all the way to her house to meet her, condemned taliban by name 4 1st time!

Anwar.S
Jul 21, 2013 11:11am

We truly are a confused nation. And that includes Ayaz Amir as well.

Zia Farooq
Jul 21, 2013 11:21am

@janab e aalii: I see absolutely no bais against Khan. First of all NFP is lamenting the fact that most people cribbing about Malala claimed to be IK or PTI supporters. Secondly NFP is right when he says Khan Tweeted about Malala's speech well after her speech. Also, yes, Khan met Malala when she was shot but he did NOT blame the Taliban by name. Also, when he came to Swat for his election campaign and held a rally here not even once did he mention Malala in his speech. I'm a PTI supporter and went to that rally. A lot of us very disappointed as we were to see so many kids with Khan's DP abusing Malala on the Internet.

Zia Farooq
Jul 21, 2013 11:23am

@Anwar.S: I agree. Ayaz Amir after losing his place in PML-N seems to have lost his marbles as well.

Capt C M Khan
Jul 21, 2013 11:42am

NFP Manson and these petal showering LIMITED & DILUTED educated guys have one thing in common, THE STOMACH IS FULL. The Urban middle class business cheats fall in the same group. Never mind the food earned is by selling fake medicines, dead meat, dodging electric bills and dodging income tax etc. But when it comes to Religion these guys are the self appointed advocates. there is not even one Political /Religious leader that is even talking about the basic human Morals or Ethics, so the drama continues, keep writing.

Feroz
Jul 21, 2013 12:10pm

The human mind is fragile and susceptible to myriad influences. Pakistan as a country has become obsessed with religious symbolism, not goodness. On the one hand their is admiration for any show of fake Piety and on the other howls for even a little show of skin. The battle between good and bad cannot be decided by indulging in symbolism or ritual, it needs solid substance. To overcome guilt for all wrong doings over a lifetime, many indulge in a fake religiosity at times knowingly, often unknowingly. Matters will definitely sort themselves out over time, however before they do trouble lies ahead.

deehanrarsi
Jul 21, 2013 12:16pm

i think people go after popular propaganda, we or any other nation has no mind of their own, we support and propagate any best conspiracy theory we find on media. we don't think whether it iz right or wrong , we don't go after facts or atleast stay quite if we do not have access to reliable source ( i wonder on media if any thing is trustworthy).

akbar
Jul 21, 2013 12:31pm

Heck, the way things are in this country,perhaps we all are.

That sounds about right.

Ali S
Jul 21, 2013 12:41pm

I think in Malala's case it was plain and simple jealousy more than anything else - most of the comments against Malala that I've come across have been along the lines of "and look at her now, she's in the UK with her family, goes to an elite school there and rubs shoulders with world leaders". In the case of Salman Taseer, what we saw were fruits of the hateful seeds that were sown by Gen Zia.

Shakeel
Jul 21, 2013 12:50pm

Charles Manson and others like him are one aspect of social and welfare deprivations and there are numerous counselling therapy organizations in US and Europe trying to help such people and counter their occurrences to happen again.

I believe in Pakistan the religion fervor to eliminate non-main stream Muslims is an ongoing crusade and possibly the cause. It is a an act of jihad which earns one a lofty place in Jannat apparently. My wife and her female relatives once travelling in an intercity bus in Pakistan almost became the victim of such an act when it emerged which community she belonged to. The hatred and violence to cause injury by the other (seemingly well-to-do and educated) travelers was a sad reflection of our murder orientated and blood thirsty new generation. I am not generalizing it but the trend is eerily not uncommon.

Nasiroski
Jul 21, 2013 01:45pm

The middle class is raised on curriculum that praises the fighters and creates "heroes" that shed plenty of blood in the name Islam (Right, wrong or indifferent). Having no clue what religion is really about and with the inability to go and fight and shed blood (for whatever personal or other reason), how do you earn your "Janna t" and satisfy your religious insecurities?? You go and support all that are shedding blood in the name of religion, they have not studied Islam at all to actually know what the religion is about. Remember when Marx called religion Opium, this is the the kind of behavior he was talking about.

Saifur Rahman
Jul 21, 2013 01:58pm

To Nadeem F Paracha: Thank you for such a good article. You have addressed a very core question about human psychology. Both, a criminal who commits a crime and a policeman who protects people from that crime have equal justifications about the correctness of his/her work in his/her mind. During war between nations, solders die with honor for their respective country, both thinking they are fighting for the right cause--but can both of them be right at the same time? Human mind normally don

Muhammad Awais
Jul 21, 2013 02:06pm

A remarkable articel by Mr.Paracha. One who is favoring the actions of insanity is equally insane. We don't like those girls who tolerate the brutality of talibans and even don't like those who stood up against them like Malala. Infact we are confused people without any clear ideas and national vision. May God bless us and show us the right path.

Ayesha Sajid
Jul 21, 2013 02:49pm

Well first of all saying people who are criticising malala have PTI flags as a dp or belong to the party is a most partisan statement to begin with. Since no other party name was mentioned it seems the author would belong to PPP or PMLN. This is just a natural knee jerk reaction to the article NOT a conspiracy theory. I for one don't have Imran khans picture as my dp but some questions do make me uncomfortable enough to see malala with a raised eyebrow I have lived for many years in the northern area of Pakistan and visited swat extensively and never have I come across a girl who speaks such impeccable English. Why and how ? Howcome the other 2 girls with malala have been forgotten by the world ? Is thier fight any less because thier injury was less grave ? Who selected malala to write Ann frank diaries for BBC ? Why is there so much money being transferred to a school chain that malala's father owns ? And lastly who IS Malala and why this sudden hullabaloo over her ? And pls don't tell me it's a human interest story and the west felt her message of education should be spread all over the world because we all know Santa is not for real and the money under our pillows was not really the tooth fairy !

Karachi Wala
Jul 21, 2013 03:03pm

@saima yusuf:

"the entire nation ( doubt if it is one) needs treatment. Pakistani psychologists seem silent on this state of mental affairs. The entire nation ( doubt if it is one) needs treatment. Pakistani psychologists seem silent on this state of mental affairs".

First lets be clear, ours is not a nation but a mere crowd. 2nd, psychologists are part of this crowd.

Sceptic
Jul 21, 2013 03:08pm

One of the best pieces by NFP in recent times... very well thought and quite thought provoking!

Karachi Wala
Jul 21, 2013 03:24pm

The whole crowd of this country need head examined starting with upper echelon. The treatment should start with so called religious scholars who are responsible for screwing up the mindset of the whole crowd.

Karachi Wala
Jul 21, 2013 03:29pm

Har shaakh pe ullu baitha hai anjaam e gulistaan kya hoga........

Parvez
Jul 21, 2013 03:43pm

NP, how dare you talk sense and try to poison the minds of the stupid ? Remember your numbers are shrinking and the reason is simple ' For bad to win, all it takes is that the good do nothing '.

Ozz777
Jul 21, 2013 04:43pm

I honestly gave up on my nation when so many of them (especially the 'educated' ones) began supporting Mumtaz Qadri after the murder of Salman Taseer. Nothing Pakistanis do will ever surprise or shock me now..........

saleem
Jul 21, 2013 05:26pm

Well written NFP. I think apologists condoning such acts of violence and abuse has a certain percentage of talib in them

Koogee
Jul 21, 2013 08:14pm

The reason there is a backlash against malala because liberals have held her up as a poster child for Taliban brutality (justified) and right wing idiocy & paranoia (malicious and malafide). And by right wing, I mean any one who disagrees with their view point. Most people, myself included, don't have an issue with a 16 year old girl and her tragedy...we hate that her trauma is being used to push causes that please our liberal intelligentsia. We hate the outrage at malala's incident because the perps were bearded madmen and the STONE DEAF silence at the drone attacks because the aggressors are educated clean shaven americans.

Sohrab Sidhwa
Jul 21, 2013 08:22pm

I posted this some days before the general elecations. I do not represent any party but as an observer, can clearly see that there are some serious issues with the urban middle calss mindset and upbringing...not to generalize but it is definitely more than a small percentage. After the same tirades against Malala, I am convinced that these kids (and not me) are delusional. I can only hang my head in shame. Now to share what i had written: With due respect to all the youth of Pakistan who want a change but do not think critically. May I be proven wrong. (Gar too bura na manein) and even if you do... I feel happpy discussing with the youth of Pakistan for their thirst for change and their enthusiasm for PTI but deep down from my life experiences in Pakistan, I feel they are yet again going to be drinking the Kool-Aid. Imran truly represents the urban confused youth of Pakistan. Blaming everything to the west and hypocrtically themselves relishing what the west has. Slogan mongering to break the begging bowl and then to run to the Pakistanis in the west to finance his campaign. Pointing in the direction of religion to seek answers for running of the state, an idea which has failed Pakistan already. Kowtowing to radicals and turning his head away as they blow up democracy in the hope that they will not touch him as he uses the mantra of religion to his advantage. He brings the hope of change to the younger generation after so much deceit of the previous government, yet a change that is not going to be for the betterment of all. Sadly only history will tell and in that, one more opportunity will be lost. I feel he is the pied piper to one more generation of Pakistanis. If the same mistake is made generation after generation, there is something drastically wrong with the critical thinking of the youth of this country. Only logic, crtical thought process, analytic reasoning and unbiased upbringing is the hope, not foolish slogan mongering and religiosity.

baryalay khan
Jul 21, 2013 08:28pm

seriously NFP get off Imrans back !!

Tasadduq
Jul 21, 2013 08:45pm

@Ayesha Sajid : A simple question to you is: has Malala said anything which is not acceptable to you, has she uttered a sentence which hurt your feelings as a Pakistani, was there anything which was 'unislmamic'........if not, what exactly is your problem?

Tasadduq
Jul 21, 2013 08:45pm

@Ayesha Sajid : A simple question to you is: has Malala said anything which is not acceptable to you, has she uttered a sentence which hurt your feelings as a Pakistani, was there anything which was 'unislmamic'........if not, what exactly is your problem?

caz
Jul 21, 2013 08:57pm

The real problem that afflicts pakistan is that the vast vast majority of its people subscribe to the delusion of a world islamic empire headquartered in saudi arabia. This reflects the control of saudi arabia on pakistan which is a beggar bowl country. This lunatic idea is adhered to by pakistan's unwashed masses as islam is used by the corrupt military led elites to control them.

Now print this.

hashambukhari
Jul 21, 2013 09:09pm

A splendid article by Mr. Pracha... V r crowd not a nation...v need to develop a consensus among us by abolishing secterianism... Perhaps this role ought to b played by our religious scholars but it seems as they have nothing to wid the welfare of the nation rather they are busy to satiate their lust for wealth and sham repute...

Imran
Jul 21, 2013 09:14pm

@Ayesha Sajid : You seem to be full of yourself. According to your world, swat girls have to fit in a certain backward & inarticulate category of beings. I bet you have researched extensively, the education level of Swat girls between the ages of 11 and 16. Her parents may have nothing to do (being progressive and educators) with her Taleem and Tarbiet but CIA and the hidden hand comes to your mind first. Ahhhh.... conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy world of you cynics.

AbbasToronto
Jul 21, 2013 09:43pm

Nice Thesis NFP. US and Pak psyches are carbon copies.

Pakistan to Islamic world is what America to the West

June
Jul 21, 2013 10:49pm

@Ayesha Sajid : yes, most of Malala bashing is coming from PTI supporters but to answer ur questions..

  1. Why/How Malala speaks impeccable English.... She does not but she is getting there, thanks to efforts from her good father (unlike others so plz don't bring father issues in Malala debate.. some issues are for psychiatrist to sort out not random people on FB/twitter)
  2. Ah the question about other 2 girls... They just happened to be there, Malala was the one who stood up for girls education, wrote/talked about it for months on media and in seminars, and she was the intended target not other two girls. Why not highlight those girls? Simple, they just happen to be in a wrong place while Malala is the ideologue (why is it so hard to understand this simple fact is beyond anyone with little comprehension).
  3. Who selected Malala to write diaries?... Nobody, well you can write too but it would be tasteless as ur rambling so no one will read it.
  4. Money for Malala father school??? seriously!!! plz post a link with any investigative report or its just BS like rest of the stuff
  5. Why Malala is everywhere??? why not! she stood up for her rights when she was only 10/11yrs old, and got shot in head for her believes with such a miraculous recovery. Have you ever heard such inspirational story? ***So to answer ur conundrum.. She is not only fighting with Taliban but also against bigotry of people who question her integrity (like some cricket player followers). I wonder what would she feel when she reads all this stuff about her in social media. Hopefully she will also read from people who understand her courage/passion and will always be on her side. Peace!
Chulbul Pandey
Jul 21, 2013 11:05pm

I saw an article on ET about a poor man beaten mercilessly in the holy month of Ramazan. His crime? He was found eating his lunch as his physical condition did not allow him to observe fasting. What shocked me most was that the beating was not done by a so-called terrorist or extremist.

I sincerely hope that there is a way for people to come back to the path of peaceful coexistence. Or, extremists have already won.

Here is the link if anyone is interested in the whole story: http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/18219/ehteram-e-ramazan-dont-forget-to-beat-backbite-and-bribe/

Dearborn Iffy
Jul 21, 2013 11:51pm

@AbbasToronto: Hi Uncle. The IQ in your present country of refuge might have dropped and would be dropping substantially because of the presence of people of your kind coming in and scrounging on free welfare and contributing hardly anything in return.

noobguy
Jul 22, 2013 12:04am

psycho-profile Manson

Imran
Jul 22, 2013 12:09am

@AbbasToronto:

Double standards and hypocrisy is abundant in us Pakistanis. Apparently Mr. AbbasToronto, you have found a peaceful living in the west, and proudly use 'Toronto'. in your name, yet choose to put down the west while using their facilities. (Defecate where you eat). Rest of us who live in the west are ashamed of your kind pseudo intellectual old confused Pakistanis, when you could have stayed there and acted to improve things , but instead ran away from Pakistan only to be loud mouth drawing room talkers in Toronto or wherever you settled in the west.

Imran
Jul 22, 2013 12:16am

@Sohrab Sidhwa:

A breath of fresh air. I commend you for your very thoughtful and logically written article. Bravo.

Capt C M Khan
Jul 22, 2013 12:19am

@AbbasToronto:

Imran
Jul 22, 2013 12:26am

@Koogee: You say that you don't have an issue with 16 year old Malala. Well, I wish would have one. The issue is that you should be proud of her brave stance against oppression. What about the thousands of others that have been killed by the Barbaric Taliban? Do you have an issue there? By the way, Drones are really good medicine for eradicating the cancer (Taliban) from Pakistan. If you cannot clean house, let someone else clean it for us. Now step aside and watch.

Tariq K Sami
Jul 22, 2013 12:28am

@Ayesha Sajid : Alright so the West is exploiting Malala. The Taliban is exploiting Malala too sending their message and shooting a defenceless girl in the head. And Malala (rather her father too) is exploiting the opportunity given to them: talking about girls education when Taliban are blowing up her school. I watched her speech at the UN. And they sang Happy Birthday to you on her 16th birthday. WOW. Like Shaheed Rani Benazir Bhutto, Malala too can play with the West and fight the Taliban at the same time. I feel so proud. What a amazing country is Pakistan!

Tariq K Sami
Jul 22, 2013 12:27am

@Ayesha Sajid : Alright so the West is exploiting Malala. The Taliban is exploiting Malala too sending their message and shooting a defenceless girl in the head. And Malala (rather her father too) is exploiting the opportunity given to them: talking about girls education when Taliban are blowing up her school. I watched her speech at the UN. And they sang Happy Birthday to you on her 16th birthday. WOW. Like Shaheed Rani Benazir Bhutto, Malala too can play with the West and fight the Taliban at the same time. I feel so proud. What a amazing country is Pakistan!

Mr Singh
Jul 22, 2013 01:10am

today I told my Muslim friend that Hindu girls in Pakistan are worst victim of rape according to a news. he is an educated person. not like a fundamentalist muslims. but he said it means Hindu girls of Pakistan must have very bad character. I was shocked. if a normal Muslim can think like this. what fundamentalists can think.

Saifur Rahman
Jul 22, 2013 02:28am

@caz: I agree with you 100%. Just to give you a feeling about the enormity of Saudi Royal family

Abbastoronto
Jul 22, 2013 02:54am

" .. Double standards, hypocrisy, dead meat, fake medicines, polluted spices, kill their tourists, promote sectarian religion, make life miserable for their women, live on donations, destroy schools, seell their religion daily, madaressas,

Saifur Rahman
Jul 22, 2013 03:12am

I salute Malala for what she did and for her courage & determination to emancipate women of Pakistan from oppression. She reminds me of the following lines of a great poet.

I raise my head beyond this world, High, ever erect and alone! I, the great rebel, shall rest in quiet only when I find The sky and the air free of the piteous groans of the oppressed. Only when the battle fields are cleared of jingling bloody sabre Shall I, weary of struggles, rest in quiet, I the great rebel raise my head beyond this world, High, ever erect and alone!!! [Last few lines of "Rebel" by Kazi Nazrul Islam-National poet of Bangladesh]

Taimur
Jul 22, 2013 03:26am

I also experienced a situation like this when i saw the news of a child death due to traffic jam on the arrival of MNA when he became a minister.It was shocking for me that some people in their support of their MNA presented excuses like "child would have died anyway_MNA motorcade has nothing to do with it".Here the problem is that people have a MINDSET that only accepts the narrative which is similar to the one in their own mind...

zalim singh
Jul 22, 2013 07:56am

eye opener- the cult you mentioned in the first few paragraphs - seems to be eerily similar to a major religion in today's world. Where people murder others in the name of religion.

Shubs
Jul 22, 2013 08:14am

@noobguy: What makes Malala special is her ability to articulate, to reason, to convince others, to express the pain felt by millions of girls / women like her. All of us have been victims in many different ways of injustice, hatred and violence. Very very few of us have taken the next step to take the fight to the other side, and I don't mean with violence. THAT, my friend, is what differentiates LEADERS from people like you and me. Leadership isn't just a quality you see in self-help books. Some people have it, and others just don't. Else, everybody who's been shot would have been speaking in the UN, isn't it?

Shubs
Jul 22, 2013 08:15am

@AbbasToronto: You, my friend, need help. Nobody in Pakistan is buying your snake oil.

Dearborn Iffy
Jul 22, 2013 08:25am

@Abbastoronto: Hi again Uncle.

How I wish I could say I "gotti" ? But I haven't 'cos you rotate too non-linearly which makes you go in a vertigo and asymmetric spin.

insomniac
Jul 22, 2013 11:48am

@June: Brilliant rebut... point 3 takes the icing.. cracked me up this morning. I am sorry to say, but lady Ayesha is out of her mind. She doesn't know what she is talking about. I pray to god to grant her sanity and wisdom.. Wishing well for Malala, Womenhood, Pakistan and World Peace.

Waqas Rasheed
Jul 22, 2013 02:50pm

I didn't post any such comments or tweets on facebook after that speech, but I think I'd disagree with the theory you brought up and its application on certain people in Pakistan. They probably succumbed to some wild propaganda. The truth is we are directionless. All of us. We need that. May be it could be Islam, or some simple dosage of tolerance in other way. But we need it that badly. This is what it shows. Not that those people are in need of some psychaitric help. So I'll respectfully disagree, but ? Heck! I guess we all need some direction or some discourse of tolerance.

Waqas Rasheed
Jul 22, 2013 02:52pm

@Mr Singh: Fallacy, Mr Singh, of generalization. :) No offence intended. I hope none's taken.

Faizan
Jul 22, 2013 03:33pm

@noobguy: What makes Malala special is the fact that she stood up for she believed in. You may not know this but she had been maintaining a blog on BBC since 2009 on how she was living in a Taliban world. She was fighting for education and was standing up against the Taliban, all while she was 14. This is what makes her special. Listen to her speech, her speech could give even the best goosebumps because of what she said. An excerpt from her speech which I particularly liked was, "I want education for the sons and daughters of the Taliban and all the terrorists and extremists". This is why she's so special.

AHA
Jul 22, 2013 04:06pm

@pathanoo: "The insanity is religion induced. That is the 800 pound gorilla..."

Please do not insult the harmless, gentle gorilla.

Murthy
Jul 22, 2013 04:50pm

The maturity displayed by the girl in her UN speech must put to shame the so called elders who seem childish. She has been driven out of the country for no fault of hers and is now being abused for siding with the enemy. The situation in Pakistani only emphasizes the need for "education" not only for women she advocates but also for the religious bigotsl.

Abbastoronto
Jul 22, 2013 07:06pm

@Shubs

I am not selling, LOL.

Anoop
Jul 22, 2013 07:39pm

Everybody is susceptible to brainwashing. Its not about being criminally insane, but convincing someone about a cause, so much so that, anything and everything can be sacrificed in order to achieve that aim.

So, if these very killers were born in India, they would have turned out differently. They would be among the Indian middle class, fighting for survival and trying to better themselves.

These killers in Pakistan, the Boston bombers, the Indian Mujahideen, the Uighur Terrorists in China, the London tube bombers, have all one thread in common. Different geographies, different countries, different societies, yet same result. What is the chances of a Hindu in US/UK/India going the violent way?

But, that would mean the ideology most near and dear to many Muslims is the problem. Even Liberals like NFP cannot admit them. They speak as if its some Pakistan centric problem and the solution lies in Pakistan.

When a Doctor refuses to acknowledge the real symptoms and diagnose correctly, he has very little chances of treating the disease.

Capt C M Khan
Jul 23, 2013 07:45pm

@Abbastoronto: My comment below "THE STOMACH IS FULL" somehow looks genuine reading your comments and the "thumbs down" you keep getting. As I have written only if the Stomach is full can anyone never mind American Manson or Canadian/Pakistani A's will behave in such insane manner. A person who has to feed his family has no time for such shameful/irresponsible acts nor do the Elites who live in their own shells. Hope you got my point, I cannot put it more politely.

kaleem
Jul 24, 2013 04:47am

Here u go again, maligning PTI and its members.Nadeem sees everything wrong with PTI, yet sees absolutely nothing about criminal activities of MQM ever since it's inception. Nadeem sahab grow a pair and be true to your profession.

RK Singh
Jul 24, 2013 05:35am

some western women even accept Islam.